1 00:15:01,97 --> 00:15:08,72 All this meaning in order at twelve minutes after six please call the 2 00:15:08,73 --> 00:15:15,70 world first hear 3 00:15:17,26 --> 00:15:24,12 hear Jared out here here. And an 4 00:15:26,97 --> 00:15:30,51 historical forum producer for 5 00:15:30,52 --> 00:15:37,23 a welcome. For an approval of the gender as anyone want to add anything to the 6 00:15:37,24 --> 00:15:44,17 agenda. I want to add just an announcement 7 00:15:44,21 --> 00:15:49,38 about Chris you know where your social two thousand and one because of literature I 8 00:15:49,39 --> 00:15:54,68 think you can do that under an energy report of do that so I'll offer 9 00:15:54,69 --> 00:16:00,88 a motion to approve the minutes or the agenda so much second favor 10 00:16:01,80 --> 00:16:07,82 and I post prove all of the minutes I really had 11 00:16:07,83 --> 00:16:13,100 a chance to look at the minutes from the last meeting and act over me even in front 12 00:16:14,01 --> 00:16:20,91 of us right I think we all saw them. Detail I want to 13 00:16:20,97 --> 00:16:27,86 do the minutes OK here second so I get home from Iraq I post 14 00:16:29,76 --> 00:16:34,73 now we come to talk or should have our meeting where we have room for public input 15 00:16:35,22 --> 00:16:40,02 there's anyone in the audience suits like to talk to us for up to three minutes 16 00:16:40,03 --> 00:16:44,91 about something related to energy and can approach the podium and give us their 17 00:16:44,92 --> 00:16:51,76 name seen no one moving will close the public input and move on to 18 00:16:51,77 --> 00:16:58,22 energy report. It started off with internal news update as far as the 19 00:16:58,23 --> 00:17:03,14 greenhouse gas and Tori goes we've been waiting some time for duty to give us some 20 00:17:03,15 --> 00:17:06,53 of that data. Bad news we might have to wait 21 00:17:06,54 --> 00:17:12,12 a little bit longer until January they said they'd have it ready for us the good 22 00:17:12,13 --> 00:17:17,11 news is that we'll be getting two thousand and sixteen seventeen and eighteen so I 23 00:17:17,12 --> 00:17:21,27 want to talk to him about wrapping them all together I figured if it was tedious 24 00:17:21,28 --> 00:17:26,46 process if they can get us all the information in last couple years that would help 25 00:17:26,46 --> 00:17:32,55 . We also have a new staff person attempt who's helping me out 26 00:17:33,11 --> 00:17:38,47 a agro leader so she might become an actually one of the future commission meetings 27 00:17:38,48 --> 00:17:43,57 as well so that means we would be able to update the inventory and update the 28 00:17:43,58 --> 00:17:49,16 dashboard sometime early and two thousand and nineteen that that would tie my deah 29 00:17:49,27 --> 00:17:54,14 you know. Another thing as far as the dash board and I know there was 30 00:17:54,15 --> 00:18:00,54 a question John that you had about the dashboard and. Missy Stoltz 31 00:18:00,97 --> 00:18:07,56 is currently looking at redoing basically our web presence so trying to figure out 32 00:18:07,57 --> 00:18:11,46 how best to get our message across and updating it on 33 00:18:11,61 --> 00:18:18,46 a number of different fronts. As far as external news or 34 00:18:18,47 --> 00:18:24,99 your question if I may yet. Have. We yet or will we with the updates. 35 00:18:26,37 --> 00:18:32,98 Take into account the. Ann Arbor. Whatever it was there was an adjustment that we 36 00:18:32,99 --> 00:18:37,90 need to make based on the splitting out of those two entities and the transfer of 37 00:18:37,91 --> 00:18:40,96 the Pfizer property Yeah so we'll probably be doing 38 00:18:40,97 --> 00:18:44,89 a presentation energy commission similar to what we did with the twenty fifty 39 00:18:44,90 --> 00:18:49,84 numbers and with that we'll be taking into account some of the information that 40 00:18:49,85 --> 00:18:54,84 we've gained since doing the original right so that update then in early two 41 00:18:54,85 --> 00:18:58,01 thousand and one thousand will encompass all of that you know 42 00:18:58,02 --> 00:19:01,54 a compass all of it including sixteen seventeen eighteen numbers 43 00:19:05,70 --> 00:19:12,50 . OK as far as external news. Our year is annual meeting is December eighth 44 00:19:12,84 --> 00:19:14,67 twenty eighteen at 45 00:19:15,09 --> 00:19:21,06 a house and then the plan to Michigan. It occurs from nine thirty am to three 46 00:19:21,07 --> 00:19:24,28 thirty pm. And it looks like 47 00:19:24,29 --> 00:19:29,53 a pretty packed schedule with some good keynote speakers if anyone can make that I 48 00:19:29,54 --> 00:19:36,43 think it's about twenty dollars to register. But that being said I know that is 49 00:19:36,77 --> 00:19:38,99 one of our speakers and I do have Stransky can be doing 50 00:19:39,32 --> 00:19:46,29 a. Workshop at that meeting about how to organize volunteer solar projects 51 00:19:46,30 --> 00:19:53,30 in communities and that's part of the morning session so. Right and we're going to 52 00:19:53,31 --> 00:19:55,64 you also had other news as far as the jailor 53 00:19:56,27 --> 00:20:00,45 a lot I'm going to do it here so. Gives out 54 00:20:00,46 --> 00:20:04,25 a series of awards and they're giving out 55 00:20:04,26 --> 00:20:08,91 a number of awards this year but I wanted to highlight one here because the energy 56 00:20:08,92 --> 00:20:15,88 commission endorsed this one so the I'll just read this this is the write up for 57 00:20:15,89 --> 00:20:20,66 the award for two thousand and eighteen Great Lakes Renewable Energy Association 58 00:20:20,67 --> 00:20:25,25 Business Leadership Award J L R E A Business Leadership Award is awarded to 59 00:20:25,26 --> 00:20:29,26 businesses that have significantly further to market transformation for renewable 60 00:20:29,27 --> 00:20:34,05 energy in Michigan at their annual meeting in December G L R E A will make two such 61 00:20:34,06 --> 00:20:38,58 awards first is to mark Haggerty president Michigan solar solutions second is to 62 00:20:38,59 --> 00:20:44,76 Jeremy Zahn project manager manager. Incorporated starting in December two thousand 63 00:20:44,77 --> 00:20:49,27 and seventeen both local actor and Michigan solar solutions at their own expense to 64 00:20:49,48 --> 00:20:53,04 assume the responsibility for making sure an arbor is home owners who had paid for 65 00:20:53,05 --> 00:20:57,26 solar panels through Geo stellar solar club program receive their promise 66 00:20:57,27 --> 00:21:00,40 a raise or were otherwise made whole after G.T.O. 67 00:21:00,41 --> 00:21:05,27 Stellars untimely and costly demise OK lecture goodness you can solar solutions 68 00:21:05,63 --> 00:21:10,33 outstanding leadership efforts restored traced trust and faith in our local solar 69 00:21:10,55 --> 00:21:14,82 small businesses the solar industry the energy office and an obvious climate action 70 00:21:14,83 --> 00:21:19,06 plan related solar initiatives all of which are paramount to the success of the 71 00:21:19,07 --> 00:21:24,65 city to an honor and up hold Paris climate agreement goals Michigan solar solutions 72 00:21:24,66 --> 00:21:28,79 and all collectors demonstrate outstanding entrepreneurial ism outstanding business 73 00:21:28,80 --> 00:21:33,49 leadership and most importantly honor and integrity in this effort they are credit 74 00:21:33,50 --> 00:21:37,37 to the solar energy industry in Michigan and to the Great Lakes Renewable Energy 75 00:21:37,38 --> 00:21:43,07 Association in Wales. 76 00:21:45,13 --> 00:21:51,68 I. Think I heard John there was an article from The New York Times that you wanted 77 00:21:52,49 --> 00:21:53,29 to do I have 78 00:21:53,30 --> 00:21:59,48 a tool you can read it as well or I can see the word OK I'm. Taking chairman Ethel 79 00:21:59,49 --> 00:22:05,70 yards place in analysing reports and things like that so I think this is of general 80 00:22:05,71 --> 00:22:10,21 interest to commissioners as well as everybody in the audience so this is an 81 00:22:10,22 --> 00:22:14,98 article in The New York Times today and it's reporting on 82 00:22:14,99 --> 00:22:21,19 a report that the International Energy Agency issued on Monday it issues 83 00:22:21,20 --> 00:22:26,72 a world energy outlook six hundred sixty one pages long I won't read six hundred 84 00:22:26,73 --> 00:22:33,01 sixty one pages but I will read the the end of the article it says. 85 00:22:34,41 --> 00:22:39,36 Climate goals out of reach even with the impressive recent gains for renewable 86 00:22:39,37 --> 00:22:44,66 energy the world is Starfire from solving global warming global carbon carbon 87 00:22:44,67 --> 00:22:49,59 dioxide emissions rose one point six percent last year and are on track to climb 88 00:22:49,60 --> 00:22:54,98 again this year the report projects that emissions will keep rising slowly until 89 00:22:54,99 --> 00:23:00,80 twenty forty one reason carbon free sources like wind solar and nuclear power are 90 00:23:01,02 --> 00:23:06,25 growing fast enough to keep up with rising global energy demand particularly in 91 00:23:06,26 --> 00:23:10,75 places like India and Southeast Asia that means fossil fuel use keeps growing to 92 00:23:10,76 --> 00:23:16,35 fill the gap for this to change nations will have to annex sweeping new policies 93 00:23:16,55 --> 00:23:21,62 like investing in energy efficiency to slow demand growth curbing methane leaks 94 00:23:21,63 --> 00:23:26,98 from oil and gas operations and developing carbon capture technology for 95 00:23:26,99 --> 00:23:33,03 a six existing fossil fuel power plants and cement factories. Governments will pay 96 00:23:33,25 --> 00:23:38,84 a key role the report notes that the world invest two trillion annually to its 97 00:23:38,85 --> 00:23:43,44 energy infrastructure and seventy percent of that is directed by stink owned 98 00:23:43,54 --> 00:23:49,20 companies or regulators that tells me our energy destine C destiny will rely 99 00:23:49,21 --> 00:23:55,02 heavily on government decisions in the next two decades and I think that applies 100 00:23:55,50 --> 00:23:59,61 certainly here in the United States at the federal state and even at the local 101 00:23:59,62 --> 00:24:06,41 level Thank you for that something for us to keep in mind as we go forward 102 00:24:07,03 --> 00:24:13,79 we have our work Colonel to help us any other energy News 103 00:24:16,35 --> 00:24:22,42 OK Moving right along. Next on the agenda we are 104 00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:23,81 honored to have 105 00:24:23,82 --> 00:24:30,40 a presentation on the Ypsilanti fire station solar system taking 106 00:24:30,41 --> 00:24:35,53 a day and. Formulate 107 00:24:35,54 --> 00:24:39,39 a presentation that is going to explain what we did they mean you should introduce 108 00:24:39,40 --> 00:24:41,46 yourself because you're also on closed circuit T.V. 109 00:24:41,47 --> 00:24:45,68 And there's other people in the room that I know so I'm they start to see the 110 00:24:45,69 --> 00:24:52,65 solution because. I started solar in the sea back in two thousand and five and we 111 00:24:52,66 --> 00:24:54,15 basically went from zero to about 112 00:24:54,16 --> 00:25:01,06 a megawatt OK here's the math one point one five megawatts of power in the 113 00:25:01,07 --> 00:25:07,90 last thirteen years and. So one of the and kind of my philosophy has 114 00:25:07,91 --> 00:25:14,43 been and you please know that up on the road with me is. No meetings 115 00:25:14,44 --> 00:25:20,31 just just doing and so. You know my philosophy is that it is the barrier to entry 116 00:25:20,32 --> 00:25:25,78 is the cost and so how can I get the cost down and there are several different ways 117 00:25:25,79 --> 00:25:30,74 money one way is to use volunteer labor and that's kind of kind of my model I'm 118 00:25:30,75 --> 00:25:34,00 a engineer by trade I play with computers I work for 119 00:25:34,01 --> 00:25:40,36 a company called Crane and so on my hobby I have been designing systems finding 120 00:25:40,37 --> 00:25:46,54 friends and just kind of making it happen for people in my neighborhood. And right 121 00:25:46,55 --> 00:25:50,40 at the beginning we were able to put. Two and 122 00:25:50,41 --> 00:25:56,90 a half kilowatts on our city hall. Using volunteer labor and and getting it that 123 00:25:56,91 --> 00:25:57,40 was that was with 124 00:25:57,41 --> 00:26:04,17 a crane so I'm going to assume everybody here knows solar power to one. Quick 125 00:26:04,18 --> 00:26:08,82 reverse from solar power in the Eurozone we're already. 126 00:26:11,80 --> 00:26:16,55 So I forget what we did we do this twenty six to twenty sixteen hours. 127 00:26:18,69 --> 00:26:23,36 Max is our home. From the plant and we talked for maybe about 128 00:26:23,37 --> 00:26:28,29 a year about you know whether or not this was an acceptable idea to think about and 129 00:26:28,29 --> 00:26:33,100 . It was an end to the idea was how do you how do you make it work. 130 00:26:35,49 --> 00:26:40,63 And so if you when we pick we pick the number we look at his electric bills and we 131 00:26:40,64 --> 00:26:40,84 pick 132 00:26:40,85 --> 00:26:45,29 a number of just fifty kilo it's what would it take to put fifty kilowatts on this 133 00:26:45,30 --> 00:26:48,36 road and that's less than what they we need to be 134 00:26:48,37 --> 00:26:51,61 a hundred percent solar power and if you can run through 135 00:26:51,62 --> 00:26:54,76 a number of real quickly here and this is the way to kind of I kind of visualize it 136 00:26:55,39 --> 00:26:59,10 if I called up one of these contractors it's about three dollars 137 00:26:59,11 --> 00:27:04,85 a watt to put fifty kilowatts. That's one hundred fifty thousand dollars right so 138 00:27:04,86 --> 00:27:06,55 you could go out trying to find 139 00:27:06,56 --> 00:27:11,72 a hundred fifty thousand dollars and make that project happen if you could get 140 00:27:11,73 --> 00:27:18,34 volunteer labor and. You know Alpine gun permits and things like that. 141 00:27:19,36 --> 00:27:21,20 You could probably get that down to near two dollars 142 00:27:21,21 --> 00:27:26,91 a watt OK so that your dad one hundred thousand dollars and then the real clever 143 00:27:26,92 --> 00:27:32,98 thing we figured out how to do by by luck actually is monetizing the tax credit so 144 00:27:32,99 --> 00:27:33,16 there's 145 00:27:33,17 --> 00:27:37,78 a thirty percent federal tax credit out there that homeowners can take advantage of 146 00:27:37,79 --> 00:27:42,17 so if I put solar on my house cost me fifteen thousand dollars to do my taxes like 147 00:27:42,18 --> 00:27:47,02 a five thousand dollars back so I save thirty percent on this Miss pallet East 148 00:27:47,03 --> 00:27:49,74 nonprofits can take advantage of it so there's 149 00:27:49,75 --> 00:27:54,42 a company there's many companies but we used charge House Energy and Muskegon and 150 00:27:54,43 --> 00:27:58,85 so instead of buying the material in this case for McNulty make 151 00:27:58,86 --> 00:28:05,54 a for. For like one hundred thousand we were going to be going to be two dollars 152 00:28:05,55 --> 00:28:08,61 a watt to one hundred thousand dollars so instead of buying that material from and 153 00:28:08,62 --> 00:28:09,11 not make 154 00:28:09,12 --> 00:28:15,61 a four hundred thousand dollars we leased it from charred house and so charge House 155 00:28:16,03 --> 00:28:21,89 was able to buy the same material and instead of selling it to us he leases it to 156 00:28:21,90 --> 00:28:22,89 us and he does what's called 157 00:28:22,90 --> 00:28:29,68 a prebuy out lease and so we pay him seventy thousand dollars we 158 00:28:30,29 --> 00:28:35,12 have the panels in our rough we get full value we get all the electricity we don't 159 00:28:35,30 --> 00:28:41,59 own them he owns them for six years and then at the end of the six years than that 160 00:28:41,60 --> 00:28:46,59 then we'll them and the reason he holds title to the panels is because then he 161 00:28:46,60 --> 00:28:50,56 writes them off his taxes he collects the thirty percent federal tax credit and 162 00:28:50,57 --> 00:28:55,08 then passes that on through us so we've got one from one hundred fifty to one 163 00:28:55,09 --> 00:28:59,66 hundred now we're down in the neighborhood of seventy and then we got lucky we had 164 00:28:59,67 --> 00:29:00,78 a person give 165 00:29:00,79 --> 00:29:06,73 a donation of twenty five thousand dollars. And in the end I think the city kicked 166 00:29:06,74 --> 00:29:13,60 in like thirty thirty five so that So thirty five was the 167 00:29:13,61 --> 00:29:18,02 end number we started on and fifty we're down to thirty five. So that that that's 168 00:29:18,03 --> 00:29:23,03 how we were able to do it and we put on fifty kilowatts It took us one day to do it 169 00:29:23,03 --> 00:29:26,89 . We had the volunteers there's 170 00:29:26,90 --> 00:29:33,74 a. Hundred to how much time where and. I 171 00:29:33,75 --> 00:29:34,02 don't have 172 00:29:34,03 --> 00:29:37,46 a lawyer budget here I don't very seniors I think I'm just going to go through this 173 00:29:37,47 --> 00:29:42,80 two minute video because this kind of explains it all. Why. 174 00:29:59,77 --> 00:30:05,10 I also have friends with drones so this video was made for free. So this is the 175 00:30:05,11 --> 00:30:09,76 fire station it's two levels Auburn level and a lower level and also it's 176 00:30:09,77 --> 00:30:10,60 a tower so we put 177 00:30:10,61 --> 00:30:14,44 a time lapse camera on the tower These are some of our volunteers I want you to 178 00:30:14,45 --> 00:30:16,83 notice that we have a. Not 179 00:30:16,84 --> 00:30:22,57 a guardrail but we have cones around the edge with yellow flagging. To alert people 180 00:30:22,58 --> 00:30:27,27 the edge of the rough the insulation is done with it this is called the universe 181 00:30:28,25 --> 00:30:32,66 ballasted mounting system so there's no penetrations on the roof this is 182 00:30:32,67 --> 00:30:36,67 a new roof you have these little baskets and you basically put in 183 00:30:36,68 --> 00:30:42,45 a number of concrete blocks into there to hold the panels on to the rough which is 184 00:30:42,46 --> 00:30:47,59 wait. It was kind of fun I mean it was clear was kind of crazy we had about 185 00:30:47,79 --> 00:30:52,57 a dozen volunteers and I think we finished it in eight hours or something like that 186 00:30:53,41 --> 00:30:58,33 and what was nice was I was there. All the volunteers in short wanted is the 187 00:30:58,34 --> 00:31:05,11 original project. So I would do it and it's very repetitive and so once once you 188 00:31:05,12 --> 00:31:05,34 show 189 00:31:05,35 --> 00:31:09,97 a couple people do it whom they're off I said you know thirty or go that way and 190 00:31:09,98 --> 00:31:15,49 then I'd grab another group of people train them start here go there so it was it 191 00:31:15,50 --> 00:31:20,28 was very easy to train and there's no there's no electrical work here this is all 192 00:31:20,29 --> 00:31:23,94 just. Nuts and bolts and mostly 193 00:31:23,95 --> 00:31:28,38 a lot of lifting. The material was of from Mic MacMall to make 194 00:31:28,39 --> 00:31:33,39 a through chart house and they delivered it on pallets and we were lucky that the 195 00:31:33,40 --> 00:31:38,44 fires the firemen and our department of public services was able to use their 196 00:31:38,45 --> 00:31:42,50 equipment to push it all up on the road so between fire trucks and front end 197 00:31:42,51 --> 00:31:48,20 loaders they got it all up on the road and then once it was all done there is an 198 00:31:48,21 --> 00:31:51,72 electrical box called an optimizer that goes underneath some of the panels. 199 00:31:58,43 --> 00:32:01,87 So I was able to hang it were another volunteer and I were able to hang these 200 00:32:01,88 --> 00:32:06,87 electrical boxes but we didn't wire anything together and then as part of the deal 201 00:32:06,88 --> 00:32:12,22 we hired John Wakeman who's actually in Ann Arbor here who officially took the 202 00:32:12,29 --> 00:32:17,62 power from the panels and ran it into the building and connected it to their 203 00:32:17,66 --> 00:32:24,59 electrical system so that I was an end we did that for two years in. This 204 00:32:24,60 --> 00:32:29,21 is what we're saving so much money let's buy some more so bottom of the go we 205 00:32:29,25 --> 00:32:35,70 bought another fifty two panels and some more volunteers show up and. We put 206 00:32:35,71 --> 00:32:42,49 another fifty for two panels and that was. Two hours made as we're trained experts 207 00:32:43,21 --> 00:32:44,56 say the up six thousand dollars 208 00:32:44,57 --> 00:32:51,02 a year was the first piece that we were in business leaders and so three 209 00:32:51,23 --> 00:32:57,42 hundred six. Six thousand dollars so you just goes into the first year for the 210 00:32:57,43 --> 00:32:59,61 first year or so up to three years you get 211 00:32:59,62 --> 00:33:04,02 a two thousand dollars and we've got the extra fifty two panels so you took the 212 00:33:04,03 --> 00:33:10,50 savings to buy the second hero Council agreed with. Their own so we were 213 00:33:10,51 --> 00:33:17,10 supportive and they did new surely they counted even. Though it was the one faster 214 00:33:17,94 --> 00:33:24,58 they were passed because of the twenty five dollars yeah we good. So Turnhouse you 215 00:33:24,59 --> 00:33:27,78 didn't use them for the second round we did say I think it's actually interesting 216 00:33:27,79 --> 00:33:32,57 to say the same product I know you both your marriage came from the savings and we 217 00:33:32,58 --> 00:33:35,33 didn't have a donation for the second one about me but we still rather 218 00:33:35,34 --> 00:33:36,92 a group said there are present is 219 00:33:36,93 --> 00:33:44,47 a big deal oh yeah. And it works like this did 220 00:33:44,67 --> 00:33:46,03 you have someone do 221 00:33:46,04 --> 00:33:50,39 a structural analysis of the roof to make sure we are going to have that extra 222 00:33:50,40 --> 00:33:56,46 ballast to vote on our we work with I work with truck hokum and he says he's 223 00:33:56,47 --> 00:34:02,04 a mission he doesn't matter to me and yeah he's looks that rough for me before I 224 00:34:02,05 --> 00:34:04,65 believe he looked at this rough and it's 225 00:34:04,66 --> 00:34:07,93 a big country sure. It's not but you're right if you do put 226 00:34:07,94 --> 00:34:13,36 a couple of tons up there I don't know what was the biggest barrier faced 227 00:34:15,73 --> 00:34:22,58 not it's fantastic. Yeah I mean from 228 00:34:23,02 --> 00:34:23,31 kind of 229 00:34:23,32 --> 00:34:26,50 a little side you know here's what I did the first one at City Hall you know I went 230 00:34:26,51 --> 00:34:27,13 to the merits of 231 00:34:27,14 --> 00:34:33,21 a you know my friend do this he says Knock yourself out if you can do it. Do it so 232 00:34:33,89 --> 00:34:35,19 that's how this is all kind of in 233 00:34:35,20 --> 00:34:39,21 a still boyishly that's been very nice so so I kind of we kind of warmed up with 234 00:34:39,22 --> 00:34:44,02 with him slowly we did some small ones and then we did their D.P.S. 235 00:34:44,31 --> 00:34:50,30 We truck pork. We did both of the community centers 236 00:34:51,16 --> 00:34:54,08 and all these cases I'll be there monetizing something or I'm getting 237 00:34:54,09 --> 00:34:57,94 a donation or something and so by the time this project comes along they're all 238 00:34:57,95 --> 00:35:04,72 like what's on there so there's really no barriers to do this you do have 239 00:35:05,04 --> 00:35:07,46 pictures I mean. It's 240 00:35:07,47 --> 00:35:12,34 a flat rock. This is what the emerging look like. 241 00:35:14,60 --> 00:35:18,46 So initially there were three rivers so there's the initial installation was one 242 00:35:18,47 --> 00:35:23,68 hundred seventy six panels which is a lot. And I don't know how many blocks 243 00:35:23,69 --> 00:35:26,04 a couple hundred concrete blocks so that so there is 244 00:35:26,05 --> 00:35:32,98 a lot of movement of material. And in the end the expansion was fifty two 245 00:35:32,99 --> 00:35:38,33 panels so the original system all that power got wired in conduit I actually 246 00:35:38,34 --> 00:35:42,63 volunteered my own time and helped John with the with the conduit runs and running 247 00:35:42,64 --> 00:35:49,01 the wires and. You know and then all these goes into the believe and easily 248 00:35:49,02 --> 00:35:50,55 inverters that convert to D.C. 249 00:35:52,81 --> 00:35:53,99 And it was and it's there are 250 00:35:54,00 --> 00:36:03,32 a little service. There 251 00:36:03,33 --> 00:36:09,73 is the panels so you mean you can see they're. Going to work again 252 00:36:09,77 --> 00:36:14,78 a lot of credit goes around right from the basement the rack that's about it yeah 253 00:36:14,79 --> 00:36:21,23 the rack you know the racks are all down so how much 254 00:36:21,24 --> 00:36:26,89 wind can one of those panels take before it's scoots across the roof so to be 255 00:36:26,90 --> 00:36:31,63 honest company does all this for you so you know where you tell you interact what 256 00:36:31,64 --> 00:36:38,17 you want to do they know what the zoning laws for this area so we design for one 257 00:36:38,18 --> 00:36:40,12 hundred mile an hour winds and 258 00:36:40,13 --> 00:36:45,61 a twenty five mile an hour snow load and we tell them what kind of Palin they do 259 00:36:45,65 --> 00:36:50,19 they do a pattern actually iterated about three or four times because there's 260 00:36:50,20 --> 00:36:55,85 a lot of obstacles up her on the lower of them and then they would say OK put the 261 00:36:55,86 --> 00:36:58,71 panels out like this and put it's kind of funny they give you 262 00:36:58,72 --> 00:37:03,16 a map is two panels here want them two blocks here one lucky or three blocks here 263 00:37:03,73 --> 00:37:04,58 and it makes 264 00:37:04,59 --> 00:37:08,27 a little bit sense basically there's more plots on the perimeter if you are in the 265 00:37:08,28 --> 00:37:15,22 center. But you follow the map and there is. That's the problem that blows off the 266 00:37:15,23 --> 00:37:22,15 rock. Profits but it's not good with these two western user 267 00:37:22,16 --> 00:37:28,92 base so. When shoot underneath. This is pretty 268 00:37:28,93 --> 00:37:35,70 most of the earth is going to burst fifteen degrees but then it's one hundred ten 269 00:37:35,71 --> 00:37:42,44 degree time you skip the report and picture. Right there. There is our 270 00:37:42,45 --> 00:37:46,65 chairman Appleyard your mouth you heard it in ninety three being instead of being 271 00:37:46,66 --> 00:37:50,45 up on the roof on. Literally eating in the same time. 272 00:37:54,37 --> 00:37:57,91 Not only is this in the form of there are 273 00:37:57,92 --> 00:38:04,83 a lot of love life with. It there are these little clips that back on the 274 00:38:04,84 --> 00:38:06,72 corner of all the baskets and so there's 275 00:38:06,73 --> 00:38:11,04 a lot of it some of the work and this was all done on the floor this looks like the 276 00:38:11,05 --> 00:38:17,46 road north now the second time we did it on the car. But you know that those guys 277 00:38:17,47 --> 00:38:21,01 right there probably did after a couple hours I think. You have 278 00:38:21,02 --> 00:38:26,26 a volunteer secreted off you know in the winter no we don't worry about it because 279 00:38:26,60 --> 00:38:32,62 Michigan gets what's called four hours of peak sun and that includes snow cover. So 280 00:38:32,66 --> 00:38:37,77 this is basically zero maintenance although I will say to them yeah. 281 00:38:41,19 --> 00:38:42,29 I will say that I was 282 00:38:42,30 --> 00:38:47,75 a little. Not impressed with solar Ed which is the company we use for the OP for 283 00:38:47,76 --> 00:38:54,24 the inversion the optimizer because we've had six of them failed Rob and we had to 284 00:38:54,25 --> 00:39:00,04 we had to fail which we had three fail right from we started and then when I went 285 00:39:00,05 --> 00:39:03,64 to fix those three rigs but the real good I mean I got replacements within 286 00:39:03,65 --> 00:39:05,32 a week so that's not just 287 00:39:05,33 --> 00:39:10,49 a hassle it was yeah so three failed right at the beginning and then it was kind of 288 00:39:10,50 --> 00:39:14,55 ironic so I went and got them fixed and I repaired the system and then two more 289 00:39:14,56 --> 00:39:18,19 fell out. But then after that they were good for 290 00:39:18,20 --> 00:39:24,70 a couple years and then there was one more just picture actually two days ago. But 291 00:39:24,70 --> 00:39:28,25 . Luckily in this room it's 292 00:39:28,26 --> 00:39:32,37 a piece of cake to swallow because it's not you know underneath because you don't 293 00:39:32,45 --> 00:39:39,16 want. To as you can see this is this comes from your rack so when you ordered your 294 00:39:39,17 --> 00:39:44,27 system. They designed this and they gave you all the specs on the unload and 295 00:39:44,28 --> 00:39:50,31 everything else and this is the math that we would follow how it was going and he 296 00:39:50,32 --> 00:39:50,92 tested 297 00:39:57,97 --> 00:40:04,61 your. Theory or does the energy all go into the building this is all that 298 00:40:04,62 --> 00:40:08,81 needed and all the energy does go into the building and soon what they do what they 299 00:40:08,85 --> 00:40:13,54 what they need and then any excess is an orca and discharge House handle that. 300 00:40:14,99 --> 00:40:18,70 She's in this particular case they're out of the picture in the race we just 301 00:40:18,80 --> 00:40:23,17 leasing us the material OK I have worked on other projects if you want to get both 302 00:40:23,22 --> 00:40:28,84 of those up. Where he actually. 303 00:40:30,21 --> 00:40:37,14 Did the whole installation without any volunteer labor and it cost more. But then 304 00:40:37,15 --> 00:40:42,69 he was able to structure it this was for the on the truck or I can show you 305 00:40:42,70 --> 00:40:47,31 pictures of it. So instead of. 306 00:40:50,15 --> 00:40:53,18 So we bought everything from Char house we gave him 307 00:40:53,19 --> 00:40:58,63 a down payment and then he structured payments for six year so in our case with the 308 00:40:58,64 --> 00:41:02,20 firehouse there were no payments we made the one payment up front and then there's 309 00:41:02,21 --> 00:41:06,85 no pains we don't own but we don't make any payments and then after six years we 310 00:41:06,86 --> 00:41:10,23 are further the truck pork we put on 311 00:41:10,24 --> 00:41:14,36 a down payment and then we're going to make payments for six years and he 312 00:41:14,37 --> 00:41:20,25 structures the payment such that the the payment is ninety percent of the value of 313 00:41:20,26 --> 00:41:24,99 the electricity that I would have bought from. From the power company so if I would 314 00:41:25,00 --> 00:41:27,79 have if I'm spending one hundred dollars every month with the T. 315 00:41:27,97 --> 00:41:31,54 He structures the payment so that I pay nine hundred ninety dollars to the charges 316 00:41:31,55 --> 00:41:37,88 for six years and then so that that was. Their way there was no volunteer labor 317 00:41:37,89 --> 00:41:43,64 then then he did everything. And in that case then he's monitoring the system and 318 00:41:43,65 --> 00:41:49,72 he's he's actually guaranteeing that we're making the power and he does his billing 319 00:41:49,73 --> 00:41:53,19 based on what the inverter is is producing. 320 00:41:56,85 --> 00:42:02,94 Below calculation thousand dollars a year savings so twenty five years I know was 321 00:42:02,95 --> 00:42:07,31 a six saying oh well you know more there's going to be more know now with the 322 00:42:07,32 --> 00:42:10,28 additional So it was a new segment it was 323 00:42:10,29 --> 00:42:13,48 a marvelous use night so those two hundred twenty five thousand dollars over twenty 324 00:42:13,49 --> 00:42:17,93 five years and you're paying roughly four hundred forty five thousand charge us 325 00:42:18,18 --> 00:42:21,65 because that's nine thousand dollars a year times five years which is 326 00:42:21,66 --> 00:42:26,23 a net savings or net income to you guys somewhere in between one hundred fifty and 327 00:42:26,24 --> 00:42:31,89 one hundred thousand is that near the number you would work with you know to do 328 00:42:32,22 --> 00:42:35,14 those are two separate projects I think you're right if you had if you're there in 329 00:42:35,15 --> 00:42:39,83 Tucson so proud of our house we make no payments we we paid him. 330 00:42:43,17 --> 00:42:50,11 Was an over fifty thousand sixty thousand dollars upfront OK and that's it which 331 00:42:50,12 --> 00:42:54,72 is one time payment and then we were then we're saving this six thousand every year 332 00:42:55,15 --> 00:42:58,02 OK in the in the T.P.S. 333 00:42:58,03 --> 00:43:04,77 Truck or project when after five years. You don't pay when right we calculated it 334 00:43:04,78 --> 00:43:10,06 at the power players we want of because I'm paying electricity anyway so I came I 335 00:43:10,07 --> 00:43:13,92 had to come up with this sixty thousand dollars actually of that sixty now twenty 336 00:43:13,93 --> 00:43:14,31 five is 337 00:43:14,32 --> 00:43:18,37 a donation OK so that then ours was like thirty five yes of course and there were 338 00:43:18,41 --> 00:43:25,30 over the life of the system how much money cash. Generative right one hundred 339 00:43:25,31 --> 00:43:32,12 thousand of these so. However how would this 340 00:43:32,13 --> 00:43:36,18 city of epsilon do you come up with one hundred thousand dollars to hand you over 341 00:43:36,53 --> 00:43:39,57 you know if you went to them said I WANT TO hundred thousand dollars or something 342 00:43:39,58 --> 00:43:45,13 else how could you with your prospect of you be able to get that this is one way to 343 00:43:45,14 --> 00:43:51,02 generate that hundred thousand dollars yourself yeah right no it was a no it's 344 00:43:51,03 --> 00:43:57,81 a no no you did. So I guess if you see five in unity 345 00:43:57,82 --> 00:44:04,04 followed members of it with you over there. So I remember when we did the second 346 00:44:04,08 --> 00:44:09,69 run right where you most often and check with Jack was there. I would talk to you 347 00:44:09,70 --> 00:44:13,54 a bit about this and you said something to the effect of the you couldn't 348 00:44:13,55 --> 00:44:18,69 understand how any city could not do this and I I soon that's based in part on the 349 00:44:18,70 --> 00:44:24,45 fact that this makes money for you and you wouldn't be able to give as autonomy 350 00:44:24,46 --> 00:44:26,62 Either way I'm going to answer your question or in 351 00:44:26,63 --> 00:44:29,99 a different way I so. If this is such 352 00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:33,63 a degree of this is you know money falling from the sky why isn't everybody work 353 00:44:33,64 --> 00:44:38,32 right and the reason is because it's a return on investment on 354 00:44:38,33 --> 00:44:44,01 a typical home it's seven years to get your money you have to come up with an 355 00:44:44,02 --> 00:44:48,99 upfront payment which is like the used car you know and then and then you have to 356 00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:53,73 wait seven years I've gone to many businesses inside of Slaney and say why don't 357 00:44:53,74 --> 00:44:54,25 you do this is 358 00:44:54,26 --> 00:44:57,33 a positive return on investment and then the guy of Michigan ladder says Dave you 359 00:44:57,34 --> 00:45:00,13 know I could buy a new milling machine you know pay for itself in 360 00:45:00,14 --> 00:45:03,33 a year you know why am I you know I think by the same went to St Joe they actually 361 00:45:03,34 --> 00:45:07,75 got a meeting with the head of facilities at St Joseph's Hospital and he pulls out 362 00:45:07,76 --> 00:45:12,98 a binder he says you know one year payback to your baby so that's why people don't 363 00:45:12,99 --> 00:45:14,11 just jump at that because it's 364 00:45:14,12 --> 00:45:20,22 a seven year payback we got it shortened not by the tech mandates and the fact that 365 00:45:20,23 --> 00:45:22,36 you need to have it already but by having 366 00:45:22,37 --> 00:45:27,38 a donation in there that shortened it to five hundred sixty S. 367 00:45:27,39 --> 00:45:28,21 The sweet spot for 368 00:45:28,22 --> 00:45:35,20 a city five years. I don't know anything about finances of cities. By the way 369 00:45:35,21 --> 00:45:40,90 that for the residential systems. The payback in Ann Arbor is even higher because 370 00:45:40,91 --> 00:45:45,65 of your tab because we the city assessor assesses taxes we can actually there's 371 00:45:45,66 --> 00:45:50,60 a back another roughly fifty percent so that's actually another motivator for your 372 00:45:50,61 --> 00:45:54,82 fire stations because that doesn't affect your credit profits are all going to 373 00:45:54,83 --> 00:45:57,78 school Bill Yeah good point so this would be one way or 374 00:45:57,79 --> 00:46:02,88 a cheap way to get more solar inside of an arbor Because set of forcing people to 375 00:46:02,89 --> 00:46:08,33 pay this tax this tax this property tax. You sidestep the whole issue if you can 376 00:46:08,34 --> 00:46:14,99 put all your not profits and having us here. Has this 377 00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:17,92 bottle been discussed at all with absolutely public schools we have 378 00:46:17,93 --> 00:46:22,99 a lot of public school here now and my school the students here in the audience and 379 00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:27,01 using volunteer labor would seem to me that this would be 380 00:46:27,02 --> 00:46:31,01 a model that would be great for public schools doing the same thing they could also 381 00:46:31,02 --> 00:46:36,16 go to chart house they have students that could help out with the labor who are 382 00:46:36,31 --> 00:46:36,47 with 383 00:46:36,48 --> 00:46:43,49 a little bit as we were visiting you know as you. Know it's 384 00:46:43,50 --> 00:46:46,39 very good so we have. Every school has 385 00:46:46,40 --> 00:46:52,23 a smaller A I was actually actually the Ecology Center. Had a program 386 00:46:52,24 --> 00:46:57,73 a couple years ago that put solar on schools and Adams was one of those. We got 387 00:46:57,74 --> 00:47:03,19 another donation that helped us put it on why high school. In that case we still 388 00:47:03,20 --> 00:47:06,63 didn't have the students help. Students get 389 00:47:06,64 --> 00:47:10,94 a little more tricky because they're younger more inexperienced and prone to act 390 00:47:11,02 --> 00:47:14,07 that's. What I know chart house just did 391 00:47:14,08 --> 00:47:18,13 a project at Bloomfield Hills High School and there is 392 00:47:18,14 --> 00:47:25,02 a video of. Of the kids literally you know building directly. So if it's if it's 393 00:47:25,03 --> 00:47:27,57 a ground mount and I would recommend 394 00:47:27,58 --> 00:47:31,97 a ground mount first call because then they can interact with it. But if it's 395 00:47:31,98 --> 00:47:35,75 a ground mount then the kids are climbing ladders and it's not so much easier for 396 00:47:35,76 --> 00:47:41,84 them just put it up out of the ground not sure if I can ask follow up question did 397 00:47:41,85 --> 00:47:45,09 you do anything liability wise to the city require 398 00:47:46,05 --> 00:47:50,30 a waivers from volunteers or what did you do as I was kind of surprised there I've 399 00:47:50,31 --> 00:47:53,87 worked on past projects for this city and they do have 400 00:47:53,88 --> 00:48:00,85 a standard of indemnification form that you can sign. I don't know why 401 00:48:00,86 --> 00:48:07,73 we didn't use it on this one. Mostly it was firemen and. Public works people 402 00:48:07,74 --> 00:48:14,73 that. I would recommend. So 403 00:48:14,74 --> 00:48:21,70 the. Chief as well how how other fire departments around the country looked at 404 00:48:21,71 --> 00:48:25,18 this project what kind of feedback have you gotten from other people who've looked 405 00:48:25,19 --> 00:48:28,77 at this were curious about it and I know you did an article I think 406 00:48:28,78 --> 00:48:32,92 a fire magazine firehouse making certainly that's another reason to do this is to 407 00:48:33,40 --> 00:48:36,37 and that's kind of my way of plenty model of my talk about it that 408 00:48:36,38 --> 00:48:40,53 a meeting is you know you do something and then you talk about it and he get money 409 00:48:40,54 --> 00:48:44,04 and you do something and you talk about itself so we were able to get published in 410 00:48:44,05 --> 00:48:46,63 a national magazine the kind of show off it's like 411 00:48:46,64 --> 00:48:51,67 a fire department you know being cool so that's another motivator so we've got 412 00:48:51,68 --> 00:48:55,55 another fire department think you guys are cool or do they think you're nuts no no 413 00:48:55,71 --> 00:49:02,69 charges exactly what US has done to other fire hoses you know there's trying to 414 00:49:04,48 --> 00:49:09,97 grant we've batteries. And then you say Augusta township culture goes look at. 415 00:49:11,22 --> 00:49:14,51 Speeds of trucks. Do you consider this 416 00:49:14,52 --> 00:49:21,24 a resiliency project where if you know there would be a supply issue from D.T.E. 417 00:49:21,25 --> 00:49:23,71 That you're so you know you don't have 418 00:49:23,72 --> 00:49:28,13 a battery backup or anyone here David generators that they can and transfer switch 419 00:49:28,14 --> 00:49:34,36 So OK he has power they can switch over the generator and solar panels that. You 420 00:49:34,37 --> 00:49:37,99 could I'm not sold on batteries yet and there's 421 00:49:38,00 --> 00:49:44,76 a flavor of that starts to pull around some of our station our immigrants 422 00:49:44,77 --> 00:49:51,51 Centers for. I'll start some of them sort of although. 423 00:49:52,82 --> 00:49:59,03 Some First Nation are designed emergency centers for some communities and mostly 424 00:49:59,04 --> 00:50:00,38 small community so to get 425 00:50:00,39 --> 00:50:04,70 a tornado coming on and there's no more power they're designed as fire station was 426 00:50:04,71 --> 00:50:10,06 solar panel some or all the type of of power system but they have batteries with it 427 00:50:10,06 --> 00:50:12,45 . So that would be 428 00:50:12,46 --> 00:50:17,50 a good appreciation for for this first station and I think to start to to have 429 00:50:17,51 --> 00:50:23,43 grants designed for that if it's design emergency center for the city my own 430 00:50:23,44 --> 00:50:28,63 electric vehicle charging look at there does it have the capability to do that are 431 00:50:28,64 --> 00:50:30,59 you know that one doesn't but I actually just finished 432 00:50:30,60 --> 00:50:36,02 a project where the inverter comes with an L two charging plug on it so you can 433 00:50:36,03 --> 00:50:43,00 charge things with that and your mind to be of another point was. They 434 00:50:43,01 --> 00:50:43,34 just got 435 00:50:43,35 --> 00:50:47,39 a new roof and we kind of were unfortunate they did the roof before we did the 436 00:50:47,40 --> 00:50:52,42 solar because I learned that chart house will also include a new Roth and 437 00:50:52,43 --> 00:50:57,22 a solar projects so there's this tax credit out there which from what I understand 438 00:50:57,23 --> 00:51:03,29 could be interpreted. Loosely or in different ways and when Charles has done 439 00:51:03,30 --> 00:51:05,65 several projects where they put 440 00:51:05,66 --> 00:51:09,74 a new roof on the building and put solar on at the same time and then call the new 441 00:51:09,75 --> 00:51:14,66 Roth part of the solar installation and I I would I would sleep at night with no 442 00:51:14,67 --> 00:51:17,49 problem because you would never put solar on a on 443 00:51:17,50 --> 00:51:21,67 a crappy roof right you'd you'd want to replace the Ruffin so you could definitely 444 00:51:21,68 --> 00:51:26,05 see the motivation for replacing the Rove as part of the solar project what that 445 00:51:26,06 --> 00:51:28,67 does is that now gives you a thirty percent discount on 446 00:51:28,68 --> 00:51:34,63 a new roof. And what that basically does is gives you free Sol and charge House has 447 00:51:34,64 --> 00:51:40,15 done this on another project of mine where the guy was going to rip replaces Rove 448 00:51:40,38 --> 00:51:42,00 he had a quote from 449 00:51:42,01 --> 00:51:47,20 a roofing contractor he gave it to chart house and Charles says. I'll do the same 450 00:51:47,21 --> 00:51:51,94 thing with solar basically took the thirty percent off on the on the river off and 451 00:51:52,00 --> 00:51:58,21 was able to apply the solar. Fit the solar system within the cost savings of the 452 00:51:58,22 --> 00:52:02,74 thirty percent so if you're doing any missive miniscule buildings that have 453 00:52:02,75 --> 00:52:03,29 a new don't need 454 00:52:03,30 --> 00:52:08,35 a new Roth you'd be dumb not to put solar on the same time because it'll just save 455 00:52:08,36 --> 00:52:10,10 you money I actually talked to 456 00:52:10,11 --> 00:52:14,99 a tax consultant about that and he said to be sure about doing that and not getting 457 00:52:15,00 --> 00:52:18,74 any. Negative repercussions from the I.R.S. 458 00:52:19,09 --> 00:52:23,76 What you should do is include something with the roof that for example increases 459 00:52:23,77 --> 00:52:27,54 the value where you add some insulation or something like that and then sitting on 460 00:52:27,55 --> 00:52:32,27 your say for sure yeah you know so I think Josh if we looked into something like 461 00:52:32,28 --> 00:52:37,26 that I mean it certainly doesn't hurt also to increase the insulation to be 462 00:52:37,27 --> 00:52:41,88 a lot of these roofs on the buildings there are poorly insulated. And then if you 463 00:52:41,89 --> 00:52:46,55 can wrap that all up together and get the tax write off on both the roof and the 464 00:52:46,56 --> 00:52:50,74 solar then and solar faith will be the same way too if we did it on 465 00:52:50,75 --> 00:52:54,03 a house of worth it they should look at their roofs potentially to. 466 00:53:04,77 --> 00:53:08,89 Pull in the lawn too so that makes Dave's point and beyond reasonable less 467 00:53:08,90 --> 00:53:11,89 attractive Yeah you're not fully D.C. If you D.C. 468 00:53:11,90 --> 00:53:13,43 Charge him you're a disco 469 00:53:13,44 --> 00:53:20,19 a lot bigger because you're doing two things that will. Scream. Who are you serious 470 00:53:20,20 --> 00:53:26,95 and if you do that but it's probably doing nothing. But hearing our 471 00:53:26,96 --> 00:53:33,67 expansion. We were going to John Whitman was going to bring here an elevator to 472 00:53:33,71 --> 00:53:38,06 move all the material to the rough and. I had so many people that that's what I 473 00:53:38,07 --> 00:53:43,64 think is fun it's so push everything aside this was fun I mean we had the mayor we 474 00:53:43,65 --> 00:53:48,03 had the chief up there we had city council people up there we hit teenagers we had 475 00:53:48,04 --> 00:53:53,61 one guy I think it was like seventy years old. Or some other guy. But they really 476 00:53:54,56 --> 00:53:55,72 put their mother and we had 477 00:53:55,73 --> 00:53:58,68 a real good sense of community this was when did you have 478 00:53:58,69 --> 00:54:00,46 a good time. Did you have 479 00:54:00,47 --> 00:54:07,08 a good times oh yeah. The proposal I mean there's so building community right all 480 00:54:07,09 --> 00:54:13,06 that good stuff. And so before John could show up with his obit or you know 481 00:54:13,07 --> 00:54:16,45 actually that's my neighbor there he says well let's just carry him up you know and 482 00:54:16,46 --> 00:54:19,83 boom there were you know before we could get the elevator there we already had all 483 00:54:19,84 --> 00:54:23,09 the material up on the of just by people and you know 484 00:54:30,93 --> 00:54:32,80 and then this is a U. Of M. 485 00:54:32,81 --> 00:54:37,42 Student the This Is It was kind of funny she came at like noon and we're done. 486 00:54:39,96 --> 00:54:44,23 And like well we can screw around with these optimize I started doing some wiring 487 00:54:44,24 --> 00:54:49,35 and so I helped her personality. You know do some wiring and so immune from 488 00:54:49,36 --> 00:54:50,57 a student perspective there's 489 00:54:50,58 --> 00:54:56,46 a good view of kind of the crowd that we drew. And I'll say half of them are 490 00:54:56,47 --> 00:55:02,77 probably from Ann Arbor. We had people from you we had some you 491 00:55:02,78 --> 00:55:07,51 professors their neighbors 492 00:55:09,89 --> 00:55:16,88 there is. I will and if you ever look at this you look like you've got you know. 493 00:55:31,94 --> 00:55:36,44 I mean maybe just close with more 494 00:55:40,57 --> 00:55:43,92 here's a novel and we're working on it on 495 00:55:43,93 --> 00:55:50,20 a sunshine challenge and I think you guys are too. And this is chart house again so 496 00:55:50,49 --> 00:55:53,46 so here's a building in a low income this is a like the meeting house 497 00:55:53,79 --> 00:55:54,73 a community center for 498 00:55:54,74 --> 00:55:59,45 a low income housing project and they built this building from scratch and so not 499 00:55:59,46 --> 00:56:03,04 only did he include the roof but he included some of the structure he says you know 500 00:56:03,22 --> 00:56:08,23 some of these two by fours are part of the solar installation and then use 501 00:56:08,24 --> 00:56:14,42 a little bit of his own money and. We put solar we put twenty kilowatts up on this 502 00:56:14,43 --> 00:56:20,91 rock and it was it was beautiful because we hired four people from the housing 503 00:56:20,92 --> 00:56:26,98 project and trained them how to do solar. And then brought them up on the roof 504 00:56:26,99 --> 00:56:28,78 which we trained them this is when you were 505 00:56:28,79 --> 00:56:35,42 a little better here we are I mean your picture we have ropes. We did fall training 506 00:56:36,13 --> 00:56:41,92 you know these are these guys and they were they were doing. So we train local 507 00:56:41,93 --> 00:56:44,15 people we hired them we paid them 508 00:56:44,16 --> 00:56:49,43 a living wage. And we were able to put solar on on 509 00:56:49,44 --> 00:56:55,51 a low income housing building and save them money so that it's all good 510 00:56:57,95 --> 00:57:04,91 and then. And then and it's always good 511 00:57:04,92 --> 00:57:11,75 to have friends with drawings and 512 00:57:11,76 --> 00:57:13,01 then like 513 00:57:13,02 --> 00:57:19,68 a month later we did it again we went back to our. Truck port we had five kilowatts 514 00:57:19,69 --> 00:57:25,02 on there from before we ripped it off and had twenty kilowatts and here's here's we 515 00:57:25,03 --> 00:57:30,57 trained another four people. On how to install solar and there up on that rough 516 00:57:30,87 --> 00:57:35,11 install so that be another aspect you know if you don't want to use 517 00:57:35,12 --> 00:57:37,88 a volunteers maybe you can make 518 00:57:38,45 --> 00:57:45,36 a jobs program out of the train people and hire them to put it up on you and if you 519 00:57:45,37 --> 00:57:50,89 work for Charles He can we can you know of. There's. 520 00:57:52,94 --> 00:57:58,49 A good fire firehouse versus some other city building if we had 521 00:57:58,50 --> 00:58:02,43 a failure we have an average of five buildings we're looking at put cells all 522 00:58:02,44 --> 00:58:06,75 around I mean look at the one with our we prioritize the one with the worst rough 523 00:58:06,99 --> 00:58:10,90 ownership OK The one with the worst roof because you want to monetize the tax 524 00:58:10,91 --> 00:58:17,68 credit and the and the Right OK and then look at solar exposure. On the 525 00:58:17,69 --> 00:58:24,68 list which is nice is looking at. Public Exposure So the 526 00:58:24,69 --> 00:58:31,12 one problem I am at the firehouse is you know we can see. You know 527 00:58:31,30 --> 00:58:37,35 it's no less you look at this wire like I love this project that we 528 00:58:40,62 --> 00:58:47,13 here are coming in and I wanted. Hundred five panels through. 529 00:58:48,41 --> 00:58:51,65 It was a church it got bought by a friend of mine who turning it into 530 00:58:51,66 --> 00:58:55,95 a performance space but that's a that's a ten twelve pitch makes it 531 00:58:55,96 --> 00:59:02,94 a lot more exciting I would put volunteers on and that rough. But that's that's 532 00:59:02,95 --> 00:59:07,57 beautiful because every company in our Washington Avenue you know. Across street or 533 00:59:07,58 --> 00:59:09,56 whatever drive right by 534 00:59:16,54 --> 00:59:22,57 right so I know it's also you talked about the. Training you do training for other 535 00:59:22,58 --> 00:59:28,86 fire departments or others on Chart House did all that Tarrant yeah OK they That's 536 00:59:28,87 --> 00:59:35,83 his model if he wants to find local people train them how to do this and hire And 537 00:59:35,84 --> 00:59:40,37 what about training for inspectors and things like that to absolutely inspectors so 538 00:59:40,38 --> 00:59:40,99 we have this is 539 00:59:41,00 --> 00:59:45,64 a way to figure out how to look at John's house next time better than some I've 540 00:59:45,79 --> 00:59:49,86 seen some inspectors that were out I will say some inspectors don't know what 541 00:59:49,87 --> 00:59:56,79 they're doing. For our souls soul smart Gold Award I actually 542 00:59:56,80 --> 00:59:56,98 held 543 00:59:56,99 --> 01:00:10,10 a training session. For the building department. To educate them in solar. So 544 01:00:10,11 --> 01:00:16,96 you know the advice for us just do it OK I guess let's go with 545 01:00:18,22 --> 01:00:21,57 you know just get a quote and that's that's where you start to get 546 01:00:21,58 --> 01:00:24,52 a quote if you're going to attack a building with a bad rough get 547 01:00:24,53 --> 01:00:28,32 a quote for Growth get two or three quotes for the rough get two or three quotes 548 01:00:28,33 --> 01:00:33,77 for the solar figure out what your budget is talk and I keep saying Charles but I 549 01:00:33,78 --> 01:00:38,27 think no consultants can monetize disc tax credit too and I'm sure there's other 550 01:00:38,28 --> 01:00:45,18 companies that can do this. And get monetize the tax rate find out 551 01:00:45,19 --> 01:00:48,40 what the bottom dollar is and put out 552 01:00:48,41 --> 01:00:50,52 a notice then you know to the city and say that 553 01:00:50,53 --> 01:00:57,42 a resident say let's do this and you get up get up on the roof did you do 554 01:00:57,67 --> 01:01:03,21 any education for the community about this project or. Not how to make sure this 555 01:01:03,22 --> 01:01:03,80 project we did 556 01:01:03,81 --> 01:01:06,68 a bunch of projects where I was doing ribbon cuttings at the end of each project. 557 01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:12,62 And that's good enough over the twelve years I've done two hundred fifty solar 558 01:01:12,63 --> 01:01:18,39 presentations and they come in at this one two. And I've reached like five thousand 559 01:01:18,40 --> 01:01:23,55 people face to face and that's so that's that's the maybe that's why we're so good 560 01:01:23,56 --> 01:01:30,51 Nipsey is because. I just keep talking every Rotary Club want to club. 561 01:01:31,89 --> 01:01:35,64 Libraries and several the library just trying to just keep that message you 562 01:01:40,67 --> 01:01:44,91 know whether you have done anything with it you're not going to it's probably you 563 01:01:44,92 --> 01:01:49,45 know you can talk about treating one thing we did as far as firefighters could we 564 01:01:49,46 --> 01:01:53,67 get all of those and firefighter Donald to fight fire one does so stop things you 565 01:01:53,68 --> 01:01:58,33 know I mean take that and so what I will captain and took us training and train 566 01:01:58,34 --> 01:02:02,63 other fire department as far as the safety concern that there is you know where the 567 01:02:02,64 --> 01:02:07,44 shot of the power before you hear that some water on those things I. Think 568 01:02:11,56 --> 01:02:13,48 actually Well thank you know it's 569 01:02:13,49 --> 01:02:19,65 a very very presentation you're doing fabulous working for NASA be careful on those 570 01:02:19,66 --> 01:02:21,02 roofs waiting an hour same. 571 01:02:28,14 --> 01:02:33,44 Time. This. 572 01:02:35,53 --> 01:02:38,79 Aspiring presentation. Has 573 01:02:38,98 --> 01:02:42,42 a big day here for twenty days it's 574 01:02:42,43 --> 01:02:49,32 a sin to introduce this resolution for so because you would be. Home is YOU IF 575 01:02:49,33 --> 01:02:55,05 YOU WANT TO THOSE are. What was going to be going to happen for 576 01:02:55,06 --> 01:03:01,78 a month right OK. So I. Was sent out to 577 01:03:02,33 --> 01:03:06,16 everybody who does follow on to this presentation 578 01:03:06,94 --> 01:03:12,00 a proposed resolution. That we all have to have a look at for 579 01:03:12,04 --> 01:03:18,46 a month or so going to our By-Laws so I'm introducing this tonight and this 580 01:03:18,47 --> 01:03:21,98 essentially is to I think I've everybody should have 581 01:03:21,99 --> 01:03:25,31 a copy of this. I mean just because I have 582 01:03:25,32 --> 01:03:31,90 a copy of this. So let me just run through this quickly. I'm 583 01:03:31,91 --> 01:03:32,34 proposing 584 01:03:32,35 --> 01:03:36,16 a resolution that would require an arbor emergency management and renewable energy 585 01:03:36,17 --> 01:03:41,07 plans give priority to solar installations on emergency responder buildings. 586 01:03:42,49 --> 01:03:46,62 Whereas climate is rist are regional in nature and post special challenges to local 587 01:03:46,63 --> 01:03:51,20 communities such as drought day Luzhin rain bounds and related toxic substance or 588 01:03:51,21 --> 01:03:56,30 field flow release heat and cold extremes and related social unrest and whereas in 589 01:03:56,31 --> 01:04:00,93 December two thousand and twelve with the passage by the in our city council of the 590 01:04:00,94 --> 01:04:04,99 Climate Action Plan the City of an average committed to an ambitious multi strategy 591 01:04:05,00 --> 01:04:10,30 vision to address climate change by reducing its greenhouse emissions eight percent 592 01:04:10,31 --> 01:04:13,99 by two thousand and fifteen twenty five percent by two twenty five and ninety 593 01:04:14,00 --> 01:04:18,19 percent by two thousand and fifty relative to the year two thousand and baseline 594 01:04:18,49 --> 01:04:22,27 carbon dioxide equivalent emission levels and where 595 01:04:22,28 --> 01:04:25,78 a city council unanimously reaffirmed local commitment to climate action in 596 01:04:25,79 --> 01:04:30,54 resolution are seventeen to thirty eight resolution committing the City of an hour 597 01:04:30,55 --> 01:04:35,96 to adopt honor and uphold the Paris climate agreement goals and whereas an artist 598 01:04:35,97 --> 01:04:40,82 has this mitigate plan recognizes that climate change poses special risk to local 599 01:04:40,83 --> 01:04:45,51 emergency planning and response noting that quote All they are including current 600 01:04:45,52 --> 01:04:50,24 and future buildings populations infrastructure and other assets is vulnerable to 601 01:04:50,25 --> 01:04:55,18 severe winter hazards and quote all of Ann Arbor is vulnerable to extreme heat 602 01:04:55,33 --> 01:05:00,23 including all current and future buildings infrastructure and populations and where 603 01:05:00,24 --> 01:05:04,85 as emergency planners typically rely on three approaches to emergency power utility 604 01:05:04,86 --> 01:05:08,12 generated power from fossil fuels in accordance with the Michigan emergency 605 01:05:08,13 --> 01:05:12,86 management plan to Michigan Public Service Commission's energy related emergency 606 01:05:12,87 --> 01:05:18,48 planning preparedness response and recovery responsibilities and three on site 607 01:05:18,49 --> 01:05:22,97 backup Mercian C generators and whereas because of their regional nature 608 01:05:22,98 --> 01:05:25,28 a climate of urgency is often involve 609 01:05:25,32 --> 01:05:30,89 a disruption to utility power and large scale region regional emergencies pose 610 01:05:30,90 --> 01:05:35,41 competing recovery demands and utility systems the Michigan Public Service 611 01:05:35,42 --> 01:05:40,61 Commission and backup local generator capabilities and whereas many communities are 612 01:05:40,62 --> 01:05:45,48 adding and. Site solar generation as an emergency power option to augment utility 613 01:05:45,49 --> 01:05:49,75 power and portable generators in climate emergencies and whereas emergency 614 01:05:49,76 --> 01:05:54,54 responders such as police fire and ambulance ideal candidate is for solar 615 01:05:54,55 --> 01:05:59,50 installations and building roofs carports an adjacent grounds where solar power can 616 01:05:59,51 --> 01:06:04,08 be stored battery packs used to directly charge electric vehicles power 617 01:06:04,09 --> 01:06:08,23 communications and medical equipment provide emergency street lighting and power 618 01:06:08,24 --> 01:06:13,31 from mobile emergency power stations resolved because of the special emergency 619 01:06:13,32 --> 01:06:17,72 response duties emergency responder building should be given priority for solar 620 01:06:17,73 --> 01:06:22,49 installations in Ann Arbor renewable energy and emergency management plans as 621 01:06:22,50 --> 01:06:26,49 a way to address both climate change risks and to augment traditional power 622 01:06:26,50 --> 01:06:32,60 approaches during climate change related emergencies that disrupt power. So I'm 623 01:06:32,61 --> 01:06:37,91 proposing that we consider this an address to deal with it at the January meeting 624 01:06:37,92 --> 01:06:40,05 because the December meeting is 625 01:06:40,51 --> 01:06:47,11 a planning meeting Thank you going to. 626 01:06:48,41 --> 01:06:54,30 Do we have that. Did you send it all commissioners or you said you'd send it out 627 01:06:54,31 --> 01:06:56,73 already so I don't remember saying this is going to be just kind of 628 01:06:56,74 --> 01:07:01,70 a private greeting OK yeah we consider it but so you'll make sure it will be that's 629 01:07:01,71 --> 01:07:04,63 the end of the minutes or something I think OK great pressure Thank you I'll make 630 01:07:04,64 --> 01:07:11,35 sure that OK. As far is housekeeping if you guys see the meeting knows 631 01:07:12,20 --> 01:07:17,83 the gauge there. Basically we're just going to be similar to 632 01:07:18,29 --> 01:07:22,38 a resolution we have to give a shit on things that we need for 633 01:07:22,39 --> 01:07:29,34 a twenty team I pretty much set all of the meetings for Tuesday's. So it's 634 01:07:29,35 --> 01:07:35,87 more about formality the. President. Has an issue there's 635 01:07:35,99 --> 01:07:42,83 a lot of the way. You know if they want to say I've been asked to make sure to 636 01:07:42,90 --> 01:07:43,29 keep 637 01:07:43,80 --> 01:07:50,50 a record of attendance first next year given to missing three different 638 01:07:50,51 --> 01:07:55,90 meetings commissioners are supposed to not miss more than three so something 639 01:07:55,91 --> 01:07:58,79 starting in twenty nineteen whole definitely be keeping record of. 640 01:08:03,98 --> 01:08:05,51 City want to do on 641 01:08:05,52 --> 01:08:12,11 a panel saying yes I think that might change is if we have joint meetings for 642 01:08:12,47 --> 01:08:19,30 the environmental commission Yeah some discussion going on about having one in 643 01:08:19,41 --> 01:08:25,72 each hand you are here February because the ministration would like to talk. 644 01:08:27,88 --> 01:08:32,06 Yet commissions and I'm not sure whether we'll have separate for some to come to 645 01:08:32,07 --> 01:08:34,42 two meaning that I won or was awarded I do 646 01:08:34,43 --> 01:08:38,27 a joint which is still up in the air so to figure out the logistics on that oh yeah 647 01:08:38,47 --> 01:08:43,89 for sure. OK City has one of. Our I'll entertain 648 01:08:43,90 --> 01:08:50,70 a motion to pass the energy commission plan meanings for. Their year 649 01:08:51,24 --> 01:08:56,31 two thousand and nineteen so moved so I got 650 01:08:56,52 --> 01:09:02,61 a second from Commissioner Macomber on Favre I posed. 651 01:09:03,75 --> 01:09:08,46 Passes right great. This is going to come 652 01:09:08,47 --> 01:09:13,03 a little bit further into the committee updates but I did also want to talk 653 01:09:13,04 --> 01:09:18,26 a little bit about the way that we structure the committee the subcommittee 654 01:09:18,30 --> 01:09:23,04 meetings I know there's been some confusion as far as doodle poles and when 655 01:09:23,05 --> 01:09:27,82 everyone gets the kind of doodle pulls back to the timing as far as when the 656 01:09:27,83 --> 01:09:32,71 subcommittees actually meet so one thing that I was thinking about doing was having 657 01:09:32,86 --> 01:09:39,62 set schedules for the subcommittees probably. Every other every Tuesday there would 658 01:09:39,63 --> 01:09:45,11 be different subcommittee that would meet for example the second Tuesday that would 659 01:09:45,12 --> 01:09:48,80 be when Energy Commission meets the third Tuesday we might have an Evie meeting 660 01:09:49,24 --> 01:09:54,24 forth so on and so forth so that way it's just easier to kind of remember it's 661 01:09:54,25 --> 01:09:57,38 easier for people to come to if they're interested in it and with 662 01:09:57,39 --> 01:10:03,38 a set schedule we can also post that way it's known for the rest of the year so 663 01:10:03,39 --> 01:10:07,42 soon as I put that would those be at six o'clock as well or yeah I'm thinking 664 01:10:07,43 --> 01:10:11,32 somewhere between five thirty and six o'clock just to get enough people time to get 665 01:10:11,33 --> 01:10:15,90 to city hall but also that it doesn't run so late that you know we're going into 666 01:10:16,56 --> 01:10:21,73 burning the midnight oil so it's kind of my my preference as long as everyone on 667 01:10:21,74 --> 01:10:23,00 the commission think it's 668 01:10:23,01 --> 01:10:29,58 a good idea of pursuit of blocks of. Of OK That's fair enough. If. 669 01:10:30,77 --> 01:10:31,02 I have 670 01:10:31,03 --> 01:10:36,49 a question and A related to meetings here Commissioner hokum and I met on Sunday 671 01:10:36,86 --> 01:10:41,79 and one of the things that we talked about and actually the environmental 672 01:10:41,80 --> 01:10:46,36 commission is going through this process right now is sort of identifying not only 673 01:10:46,37 --> 01:10:53,14 the meeting schedule but what might be specific topics. For those and 674 01:10:53,23 --> 01:10:59,23 input was requested from commissioners. Not necessarily what topic would be it but 675 01:10:59,24 --> 01:11:02,85 that one particular meeting but one of the topics that should be covered and then 676 01:11:02,86 --> 01:11:07,77 laying that was out in the calendar year and I think maybe that's something that we 677 01:11:07,78 --> 01:11:10,80 should consider doing and I don't know that we want to do that through the whole 678 01:11:10,81 --> 01:11:12,32 year but at least X. 679 01:11:12,33 --> 01:11:18,56 Months out and I think one of the things that Chuck mentioned at the time that 680 01:11:19,03 --> 01:11:23,09 the environmental commission hasn't done but it seems to me makes sense for both 681 01:11:23,10 --> 01:11:28,18 commissions or frankly for any commission is not only what commissioners would like 682 01:11:28,19 --> 01:11:34,59 to cover in that but what in particular the city and staff want of the 683 01:11:34,60 --> 01:11:41,59 commission and where can we help where can we advise where can we advance it so 684 01:11:41,60 --> 01:11:47,53 that we're not necessarily pushing the agenda at least from our side but also that 685 01:11:47,54 --> 01:11:47,99 there is 686 01:11:48,33 --> 01:11:52,75 a real balance back and forth between the city and its goals in the work plan for 687 01:11:52,76 --> 01:11:58,94 the new offices and ability and innovation and what can we do to advance those 688 01:11:58,95 --> 01:12:05,63 topics so maybe we think about that maybe send an e-mail out saying what would we 689 01:12:05,64 --> 01:12:10,28 like to cover but also what would you like from us I think that's 690 01:12:10,29 --> 01:12:15,15 a great idea I did see in some ways the subcommittee is that we're putting together 691 01:12:15,16 --> 01:12:15,61 is kind of 692 01:12:15,62 --> 01:12:19,03 a bonding some of the so some of the major pushes that we have break down into 693 01:12:19,04 --> 01:12:23,31 smaller groups that said it would be interesting to see how we can may feed that 694 01:12:23,32 --> 01:12:27,42 back into the larger group where the energy commissions are maybe and December we 695 01:12:27,43 --> 01:12:33,79 can have this is part of the discussion as well or. Do you think it was the idea 696 01:12:33,80 --> 01:12:40,51 but along with this. That we're charged with with all 697 01:12:40,52 --> 01:12:45,35 or part of this smart framework in our recommendations no evidence you know where 698 01:12:45,56 --> 01:12:49,46 we were asked to come up with the idea or Rasta come up metrics arrest come up some 699 01:12:49,47 --> 01:12:54,14 but we use the discipline of the smart framework in this committee structure and 700 01:12:54,15 --> 01:12:58,63 that the challenge or the when the committee is given 701 01:12:58,64 --> 01:13:03,09 a task to do it's broken out here is that we want to this part of the smart 702 01:13:03,21 --> 01:13:07,37 framework so we get some specificity so we know when we have passed the sign and 703 01:13:08,04 --> 01:13:12,56 what still has to be done. Thank thanks for bringing that up actually that was my 704 01:13:12,57 --> 01:13:16,88 recommendation for part of my recommendation for the environmental commission and 705 01:13:16,89 --> 01:13:22,64 that was that we take all of the metrics that are related to the environmental 706 01:13:22,65 --> 01:13:29,48 commission and break them up into let's say four and cover one quarter of them 707 01:13:29,83 --> 01:13:34,66 in one meeting where the next two meetings could then deal with ad hoc topics or 708 01:13:34,67 --> 01:13:39,06 whatever's coming up and then the next quarter we deal with the next set of four 709 01:13:39,10 --> 01:13:42,39 and the next or to me next set of goals in the next set of goals or metrics I 710 01:13:42,40 --> 01:13:47,58 should say and what are the related action plans to your point to make progress 711 01:13:47,59 --> 01:13:52,95 against those and what are the what's the progress on those actions what are 712 01:13:52,96 --> 01:13:58,78 obstacles what could the commission do to advance achieving the targets that are 713 01:13:58,79 --> 01:14:03,45 set the Sociedad with each one of those sustainability framework dashboard metrics 714 01:14:03,46 --> 01:14:07,76 that we have and we could potentially do the same thing with the Energy Commission 715 01:14:08,21 --> 01:14:12,73 I don't think we have that many We might have something like six or eight six may 716 01:14:12,74 --> 01:14:18,18 have metrics maybe so we could do that. You know in three meetings where we take 717 01:14:18,19 --> 01:14:22,68 two metrics and then look at those in particular and then talk about action plans 718 01:14:22,69 --> 01:14:27,17 associated with those we could have reports from outside groups that relate to 719 01:14:27,18 --> 01:14:31,28 those particular metrics for example I'll give you one from the environmental 720 01:14:31,81 --> 01:14:35,94 commission one of the metrics is the health of the watershed we developed 721 01:14:35,95 --> 01:14:37,45 a new metric that's now on 722 01:14:37,46 --> 01:14:42,43 a one to one hundred scale it's very easy to trend the underwater ship Council has 723 01:14:42,47 --> 01:14:44,29 a big role to play they might have 724 01:14:44,30 --> 01:14:50,24 a report associated with that in that meeting so the the metric the action plans 725 01:14:50,25 --> 01:14:54,49 and reports would all align in that one meeting and I think that's sort of what 726 01:14:54,50 --> 01:15:01,18 you're getting at Mark so. Jack I wonder if you could weigh in on this been pointed 727 01:15:01,19 --> 01:15:07,86 in your advice to us that we need to tighten up our recommendations of 728 01:15:07,87 --> 01:15:13,63 climate tricks of them. When or if you think the discussion we're having here is 729 01:15:13,64 --> 01:15:19,34 that going in the direction you think we need to go and if no what would you 730 01:15:19,35 --> 01:15:26,16 suggest we do is the right direction. And to turn in 731 01:15:26,17 --> 01:15:30,48 my microphone first I think this is the right direction I think we need to set 732 01:15:30,49 --> 01:15:36,46 a goal we have to have baseline. We have to have measurable. 733 01:15:37,80 --> 01:15:44,09 Goal lines along the way and. Then we have to have 734 01:15:44,10 --> 01:15:50,28 a budget for accomplishing that So you know. We we often 735 01:15:51,11 --> 01:15:55,79 expressed good intentions which go to culture when they ratify those good 736 01:15:55,80 --> 01:16:00,66 intentions and then nothing comes of those good intentions and so to the extent 737 01:16:00,67 --> 01:16:06,91 that we can identify what we believe should be done and how it should be done and 738 01:16:06,92 --> 01:16:12,75 how much it'll cost to do it and what the outcome of that is I think that that 739 01:16:12,76 --> 01:16:19,67 helps push our agenda on mission happen so that the kind of attack on I'm not going 740 01:16:19,68 --> 01:16:25,76 to go down the wrath of my email exchange. Thank you so much so I just want to hit 741 01:16:25,77 --> 01:16:30,38 one key topic for everybody's list and I guess I'm kind of the historian around 742 01:16:30,39 --> 01:16:35,53 here because one of the older US but. So you know back in the day when this Energy 743 01:16:35,54 --> 01:16:37,32 Commission started it was 744 01:16:37,33 --> 01:16:41,05 a city council that sparked it and it was almost the whole the whole energy 745 01:16:41,06 --> 01:16:46,90 commission was city councils so they basically invited some issues topics critical 746 01:16:46,95 --> 01:16:51,87 topics of interest to the city to push forward and then if you read those back in 747 01:16:51,88 --> 01:16:56,57 the eighty's you'd say wow these guys are pretty forward thinking great stuff let's 748 01:16:56,58 --> 01:17:00,88 move on with these things let's make them happen so it sums instances they did take 749 01:17:00,89 --> 01:17:03,13 place there is a lot of movement and then are G. 750 01:17:03,14 --> 01:17:07,45 Efficiency back in the eighty's with forward thinking Now the good things happen 751 01:17:08,63 --> 01:17:13,60 what I've noticed you know if you get my history buff side of me. I see 752 01:17:13,61 --> 01:17:19,78 a lot of effort from our commission to promote disposed ideas we pass 753 01:17:19,79 --> 01:17:25,00 a lot of resolutions other than maybe some feedback we get from Commissioner Eaton 754 01:17:25,30 --> 01:17:29,20 I don't think we get any feedback from council on whether we're off base are we 755 01:17:29,21 --> 01:17:33,31 going in the right direction I think the amount of power on 756 01:17:33,32 --> 01:17:37,45 a national energy Journal I'm one of the Associate Editors if we're not accountable 757 01:17:37,46 --> 01:17:41,18 and we're not doing the right thing we get feedback directly from our readers from 758 01:17:41,19 --> 01:17:45,61 our editor from everybody that says hey you guys need to be focused on something 759 01:17:45,62 --> 01:17:50,38 else it's we get that feedback very quickly and it keeps us on point that keeps us 760 01:17:50,39 --> 01:17:56,39 productive it keeps us moving the bar for from the public forward I am I'm sensing 761 01:17:56,40 --> 01:18:00,04 we need some of that and that's maybe my own opinion but I think we would really 762 01:18:00,21 --> 01:18:01,24 benefit as 763 01:18:01,25 --> 01:18:06,09 a body to make the next step with our counsel telling us hey this makes sense or 764 01:18:06,10 --> 01:18:10,68 doesn't. That feedbacks incredibly valuable because we only have so much of you 765 01:18:10,69 --> 01:18:16,23 know volunteer time and I think if we had better alignment that way be great Josh 766 01:18:16,24 --> 01:18:19,77 lean thing a staff I mean you know you've got a lot of people here who have 767 01:18:19,78 --> 01:18:24,18 a lot of skill sets have been in the marketplace or in some cases forty years I 768 01:18:24,19 --> 01:18:29,94 don't know about when but I'm forty plus been doing this a long time we now have 769 01:18:29,95 --> 01:18:31,33 a little bit more time on our hands 770 01:18:31,37 --> 01:18:35,04 a lot of times to help you guys and help staff and help commission the 771 01:18:35,05 --> 01:18:37,76 sustainability group that's now out there John's done 772 01:18:37,77 --> 01:18:40,33 a wonderful job promoting that I think his He's 773 01:18:40,34 --> 01:18:43,87 a exemplary of some of the things we can do to work better as 774 01:18:43,88 --> 01:18:49,45 a team and move the city along and we don't we see evidence of like climate change 775 01:18:49,57 --> 01:18:50,84 are starting to impact us quite 776 01:18:50,85 --> 01:18:56,44 a bit we there's maybe disagreement scientifically but what's going on but the main 777 01:18:56,45 --> 01:18:57,63 message is we don't have 778 01:18:57,64 --> 01:19:00,75 a lot of time here and so some of us are getting older and want to make 779 01:19:00,76 --> 01:19:02,14 a difference we got 780 01:19:02,15 --> 01:19:07,28 a good start making some stepwise definite changes here or we're not going to get 781 01:19:07,29 --> 01:19:13,25 anywhere so the message is how do we better work together commission to staff the 782 01:19:13,26 --> 01:19:17,42 commission to counsel are we right to go in the right direction or are we just tell 783 01:19:17,43 --> 01:19:21,96 us point blank maybe maybe one of the messages is you're too big or maybe the 784 01:19:21,97 --> 01:19:27,22 message is focus on climate change or climate action plan only forget about solar 785 01:19:27,23 --> 01:19:30,69 or forget about this or forget about that focus only your budget your efforts on 786 01:19:30,70 --> 01:19:33,63 this topic and then our group could have 787 01:19:33,64 --> 01:19:38,70 a better critical mass fragment wiser subcommittees probably don't get as much done 788 01:19:38,71 --> 01:19:43,37 as maybe we could if we had that direction so I'm just playing this so my opinion 789 01:19:43,38 --> 01:19:47,42 only that in canvas anyone else I just saw it out there for her talk 790 01:19:51,05 --> 01:19:51,31 it is 791 01:19:51,32 --> 01:19:58,66 a problem and I can remember I don't remember the year but it was probably two 792 01:19:58,67 --> 01:20:02,71 thousand and six or two thousand and eight we gave 793 01:20:02,72 --> 01:20:06,07 a forty minute presentation slide doesn't has 794 01:20:06,12 --> 01:20:11,52 a whole lot of things to. If free energy is only one Sperry small portion and they 795 01:20:11,53 --> 01:20:16,70 rely on US minutes it's sort of chicken and egg on some respects because they rely 796 01:20:16,71 --> 01:20:22,96 on us we're the experts supposedly or at least I hope they think we are. And so 797 01:20:22,97 --> 01:20:28,30 they're relying on us to suggest things and but certainly more input from counsel 798 01:20:28,31 --> 01:20:35,01 would be very welcome and because of our limited the limited amount of time that we 799 01:20:35,02 --> 01:20:39,97 can spend on projects we want to work on stuff that has some possibility of 800 01:20:39,98 --> 01:20:46,18 actually happening so if we're not going to get support from council then we'd be 801 01:20:46,19 --> 01:20:52,21 better if we knew it early on so now one of the things maybe we should do is I 802 01:20:52,22 --> 01:20:54,40 think in our biological supposed to have some kind of 803 01:20:54,41 --> 01:20:58,44 a report annually and I'm not one that likes to spend 804 01:20:58,45 --> 01:21:02,21 a whole lot of time doing reports or changing bylaws or any of that stuff I'd 805 01:21:02,22 --> 01:21:07,68 rather do something that is meaningful but one of the things that we could do is 806 01:21:07,69 --> 01:21:11,81 send something up to council saying these are the things that we expect to work on 807 01:21:12,28 --> 01:21:16,05 and we'd love your feedback on whether or not these are things that you want us to 808 01:21:16,06 --> 01:21:21,98 work and it should be pretty easy we might not get much back but we might get some 809 01:21:22,29 --> 01:21:28,73 some good information so one of the things that really tried to convey is if we 810 01:21:28,74 --> 01:21:31,90 propose something that proposes 811 01:21:31,91 --> 01:21:37,89 a tangible result and how to do it it will get support 812 01:21:38,90 --> 01:21:45,48 so at the meeting on November nineteenth which is next Monday I'm bringing 813 01:21:45,49 --> 01:21:51,11 forward to. A budget amendment that will pared down Missy's 814 01:21:53,09 --> 01:21:59,42 Dr Stoltz. Proposal to the two items that actually will have an impact on energy 815 01:21:59,43 --> 01:22:04,47 consumption and there will be the Net Zero housing project which is not 816 01:22:04,48 --> 01:22:09,65 a small ticket item as that was the vast majority of her ass hundred thousand and 817 01:22:09,66 --> 01:22:15,83 the the other thing is the. Electric vehicle charging stations. Because those meet 818 01:22:15,84 --> 01:22:17,64 both of our criteria for 819 01:22:18,06 --> 01:22:22,75 a budget amendment which is that they're time sensitive you know to start the Net 820 01:22:22,76 --> 01:22:26,95 Zero housing project we have to approve it now so that they're ready to go at the 821 01:22:26,96 --> 01:22:31,58 beginning in the next building season they can't wait for the you know the next 822 01:22:31,59 --> 01:22:37,74 fiscal year you know. The electric vehicle Chargers are time sensitive because in 823 01:22:37,75 --> 01:22:43,24 fact we've purchased those vehicles or we're going to charge them either that or 824 01:22:43,25 --> 01:22:47,40 maybe Thank you for writing so you know. There are 825 01:22:47,41 --> 01:22:54,22 a variety of things in there that. Will quite likely come up in the next budget 826 01:22:54,23 --> 01:22:59,60 year and are really topics for your normal budget 827 01:23:00,19 --> 01:23:02,56 deliberations because we have to weigh 828 01:23:02,57 --> 01:23:08,00 a lot of things against each other you know so it's not that I don't want energy 829 01:23:08,01 --> 01:23:12,65 staff or I mean sustainability staff to be well paid but it has to be part of our 830 01:23:12,66 --> 01:23:19,46 broader now and union salary study and part of our normal budget process. 831 01:23:20,77 --> 01:23:21,24 There were 832 01:23:21,25 --> 01:23:25,04 a variety of other things in there like travel to other cities for conferences and 833 01:23:25,05 --> 01:23:31,43 things that. I don't think are really good steps for people who are trying to 834 01:23:31,94 --> 01:23:38,08 address state ability jumping on a job is now energy efficient sending 835 01:23:38,09 --> 01:23:42,84 a soon to retire employee to a conference doesn't make sense in 836 01:23:42,85 --> 01:23:47,76 a variety of different levels so. I don't want you to believe that you don't have 837 01:23:47,77 --> 01:23:53,31 the support of counsel when you get to council must often the resolutions that you 838 01:23:53,32 --> 01:24:00,02 send are unanimously passed have support but I'm here to to 839 01:24:00,03 --> 01:24:06,60 warn you when when we sense stuff. The difficulty going to and I think that there 840 01:24:06,61 --> 01:24:11,47 was a fair amount of forewarning in the Budget Amendment issue it's not 841 01:24:11,71 --> 01:24:17,75 a lack of support for taking tangible action it's. That it was 842 01:24:17,76 --> 01:24:24,59 a lot of money that some of it was. Debatable you know 843 01:24:24,75 --> 01:24:31,07 so. I want to be adventuresome I want to do it then if I the building that you want 844 01:24:31,08 --> 01:24:37,77 to. Do the audit do the whole process and how much that would 845 01:24:37,78 --> 01:24:44,44 cost so that we can take it but to generally state that we want to be net 846 01:24:44,45 --> 01:24:45,43 zero by X. 847 01:24:45,44 --> 01:24:51,99 Year doesn't do that so again I really do want you to 848 01:24:52,00 --> 01:24:58,25 understand that I'm here because I want this process to work and I think that it 849 01:24:58,26 --> 01:25:03,45 doesn't hurt us to be pushy here as long as you understand the parameters of the 850 01:25:03,46 --> 01:25:09,37 process that when I get to council table you know. We have one hundred million 851 01:25:09,38 --> 01:25:15,78 dollar general fund budget. And we have to balance that 852 01:25:16,27 --> 01:25:16,72 between 853 01:25:16,73 --> 01:25:21,17 a variety of needs you know we have ten million dollars worth of needs in our fire 854 01:25:21,18 --> 01:25:27,66 department. I can't tell you what our sewer and our water infrastructure needs it's 855 01:25:27,67 --> 01:25:32,93 just off the charts there are so many needs it in so many different ways that when 856 01:25:32,94 --> 01:25:38,68 we go we need to be able to compete by showing what it's going to accomplish and 857 01:25:38,85 --> 01:25:44,12 especially if we are going to reduce our carbon output or reduce our energy 858 01:25:44,13 --> 01:25:47,12 consumption because energy consumption has 859 01:25:47,13 --> 01:25:51,63 a built in savings over the long haul that that's an argument that we can make and 860 01:25:51,64 --> 01:25:56,93 that's that's an argument that we can say well it's important for us to be specific 861 01:25:56,94 --> 01:26:02,01 about what we want to do on the other end of things one of the things that I 862 01:26:02,44 --> 01:26:09,42 neglected to put forth in the energy report is that Portland just passed 863 01:26:09,86 --> 01:26:16,50 a clean energy ordinance and what they're doing is they are 864 01:26:18,09 --> 01:26:24,68 taxing. Any corporation that does business within their community that has 865 01:26:24,69 --> 01:26:28,50 a gross annual budget of 866 01:26:28,64 --> 01:26:35,60 a billion dollars and they're going to have thirty million dollars 867 01:26:35,61 --> 01:26:42,26 a year to do climate work and that's what they think they need now they're 868 01:26:42,27 --> 01:26:46,74 six times bigger than an arbor so that works up to five million dollars 869 01:26:46,75 --> 01:26:51,50 a year is what we probably should be spending if we could figure out 870 01:26:51,58 --> 01:26:58,28 a way of generating that money I mean that's the report that John Brennan 871 01:26:58,29 --> 01:27:03,51 earlier from the New York Times just shows how big the issue is and how much money 872 01:27:03,52 --> 01:27:08,83 we really need to be putting at it and it's not trying running away it's investing 873 01:27:08,84 --> 01:27:11,99 in the future of people who are 874 01:27:12,00 --> 01:27:18,23 a lot younger than we are so so two items on their first Michigan restricts 875 01:27:18,79 --> 01:27:25,35 Oh I know that our ability to raise new revenues even Thank you Mr heading. 876 01:27:27,40 --> 01:27:33,30 Secondly I'm not sure how many billion dollar corporations we hear. Maybe the 877 01:27:33,31 --> 01:27:37,90 United States Rochester going to do well and that's another discussion but if I 878 01:27:37,91 --> 01:27:41,100 could comment just briefly on this and sort of maybe tie all this together I think 879 01:27:42,79 --> 01:27:47,35 we've had several meetings I think. Jack some of them may have been before you 880 01:27:47,36 --> 01:27:50,71 joined the Energy Commission where the environmental commission an Energy 881 01:27:50,72 --> 01:27:55,18 Commission looked at this estate ability framework and the goals and the dashboard 882 01:27:55,19 --> 01:27:59,28 indicators with the metrics and in line with what Mark mentioned earlier having 883 01:27:59,29 --> 01:28:05,64 smart goals Specific Measurable Attainable realistic and time bound. 884 01:28:06,78 --> 01:28:13,20 Each one of we identify goals in two and metrics for both energy and Vironment all 885 01:28:13,93 --> 01:28:20,08 metrics and I think what Mark in. Chalk and what you are saying is that 886 01:28:20,80 --> 01:28:27,26 our responsibility as let's say the city and commission these of the 887 01:28:27,27 --> 01:28:33,34 residents is that we should be delivering positive outcomes for the residents of 888 01:28:33,35 --> 01:28:36,85 Ann Arbor you know there should be an improvement in water quality there should be 889 01:28:36,86 --> 01:28:41,87 improvement in greenhouse gas reductions and everything that we do should be 890 01:28:41,88 --> 01:28:44,98 focused around that either we're delivers directly 891 01:28:45,84 --> 01:28:47,97 a positive outcome and we see an improvement in 892 01:28:47,98 --> 01:28:52,40 a metric or it's an enabler and I agree with everything that you said Jack 893 01:28:52,72 --> 01:28:58,38 especially when it relates to things that the city does for municipal operations 894 01:28:58,55 --> 01:29:04,78 but we have to remember that municipal operations are one point three percent of an 895 01:29:04,79 --> 01:29:09,03 R Vers total greenhouse gas reductions so if we do 896 01:29:09,04 --> 01:29:14,35 a project for the city then yes we can say if we put solar on the Wheeler Center 897 01:29:14,51 --> 01:29:17,92 it's going to cost this amount of money and it's going to deliver this many metric 898 01:29:17,93 --> 01:29:21,01 tons and there is a good payback on it and there's 899 01:29:21,53 --> 01:29:25,72 a real clear line between doing this and getting 900 01:29:25,76 --> 01:29:32,49 a positive outcome that we can see in our metric but the cap. Is addressed to 901 01:29:32,50 --> 01:29:37,27 all of Ann Arbor's greenhouse gas reductions all one hundred percent from the whole 902 01:29:37,28 --> 01:29:42,62 community from transportation from residential industrial and commercial in the 903 01:29:42,63 --> 01:29:47,80 only way we're going to really help drive that is through enabling programs where 904 01:29:47,81 --> 01:29:52,50 we won't be able to necessarily necessarily say if we have this energy assistance 905 01:29:52,59 --> 01:29:58,24 program then we know for sure one hundred people will do X. 906 01:29:58,41 --> 01:30:03,47 And they will save so many metric tons of C O two and that will impact our goal so 907 01:30:03,48 --> 01:30:08,16 that's going to be I think the difficulty that we're going to have these of the 908 01:30:08,17 --> 01:30:12,37 Council and also for the residents of Ann Arbor spending their money is to be able 909 01:30:12,38 --> 01:30:17,00 to come up with programs that address what is going on in the community and 910 01:30:17,01 --> 01:30:19,55 reducing those greenhouse gas reductions and having 911 01:30:19,56 --> 01:30:24,65 a clear line which we all want to have in terms of accountability if we do X. 912 01:30:24,93 --> 01:30:26,09 It will deliver Y. 913 01:30:26,36 --> 01:30:30,36 That's that's going to be more difficult. True but it also. 914 01:30:33,02 --> 01:30:37,06 Innovations plan if you guys have looked at the cap there are 915 01:30:37,07 --> 01:30:43,55 a lot of suggestions in there as to how best to reach our goals and our targets 916 01:30:44,06 --> 01:30:49,83 some of them are less or more feasible some of them. You have to throw invest more 917 01:30:49,84 --> 01:30:54,91 money into others and so I think when creating the sustainability and innovation 918 01:30:54,92 --> 01:31:01,58 plan in our office we are really looking for programs that could in some ways 919 01:31:01,90 --> 01:31:08,88 go further than than any other one individual action could do so when we looked 920 01:31:08,89 --> 01:31:12,13 at for example type of marketing we're looking at how the market could really pick 921 01:31:12,14 --> 01:31:17,27 up the economic forces of the market could pick up on incentivizing energy audits 922 01:31:17,58 --> 01:31:22,24 in ways that if the city were to incentivize rebates there just wouldn't be enough 923 01:31:22,25 --> 01:31:27,51 funding to be able to reach all the houses so I think in some ways you know the 924 01:31:27,52 --> 01:31:32,51 sustainability innovation plan the one that we presented really is in 925 01:31:32,52 --> 01:31:37,66 a way cohesive and tries to get at all of these different sectors by looking at the 926 01:31:37,67 --> 01:31:43,75 best way to do it for the last. For not as much money time and effort that it would 927 01:31:43,76 --> 01:31:46,40 take if we were actually to go through and look at all of the different 928 01:31:46,41 --> 01:31:50,21 recommendations for the cap so that was something that went into our planning as 929 01:31:50,22 --> 01:31:56,98 well the thing else on that topic if 930 01:31:56,99 --> 01:32:03,72 not let's move along to. The updates 931 01:32:04,47 --> 01:32:10,02 are you doing one of the things which actually going to tighten the. So Energy 932 01:32:10,03 --> 01:32:15,19 Commission policy on the day sort through my understanding city council has 933 01:32:15,23 --> 01:32:21,80 a policy committee and we had made recommendations of you see city council labeled 934 01:32:21,81 --> 01:32:24,46 city council has energy commission a very much 935 01:32:24,47 --> 01:32:30,98 a commission these are basically some recommendations that we gave to city council 936 01:32:31,18 --> 01:32:38,17 in the previous year as far as things to look at and kind of focus on. I 937 01:32:38,18 --> 01:32:43,35 just wanted to go through these and see if we if we want to add to them if there's 938 01:32:43,36 --> 01:32:48,03 anything we want to change I can just kind of dealing with housekeeping and making 939 01:32:48,04 --> 01:32:52,59 sure that we're ready for twenty one thousand since this is the last meeting that 940 01:32:52,60 --> 01:32:53,78 will be having outside of 941 01:32:53,79 --> 01:32:59,76 a work session in the summer so the first bullet point here pursue remedies that 942 01:32:59,77 --> 01:33:04,92 sentence lation sustainable renewable energy resources including but not limited to 943 01:33:04,96 --> 01:33:08,01 residential and community solar and wind systems. 944 01:33:13,42 --> 01:33:18,65 State limits. Yeah I'm not sure where that came from. 945 01:33:22,38 --> 01:33:27,01 OK So this is. The. 946 01:33:29,71 --> 01:33:36,26 Next one pursue legislative remedies that remove just incentive yes side and there 947 01:33:36,27 --> 01:33:36,37 is 948 01:33:36,38 --> 01:33:41,67 a potential if we were to use green space the cities are there's no property to put 949 01:33:41,68 --> 01:33:43,72 something in that way OK so it's 950 01:33:43,73 --> 01:33:47,58 a credible use because we're not disrupting the rest of the land so let's not 951 01:33:47,59 --> 01:33:53,88 strike OK OK I want to know that too long ago when your high school was was going 952 01:33:53,89 --> 01:33:57,83 to deploy I won. And the fact that we had 953 01:33:58,69 --> 01:34:02,99 a professor from the University of Michigan come to us and say you shouldn't waste 954 01:34:03,00 --> 01:34:05,76 your time because in our bruise is not 955 01:34:05,77 --> 01:34:11,27 a good sign for attempting to capture the wind you know that it's just not 956 01:34:11,53 --> 01:34:15,07 consistent or. You know when you have 957 01:34:15,08 --> 01:34:20,37 a high quality went ahead however you say to Metro Manila GA This is not the place 958 01:34:20,38 --> 01:34:27,24 to seek It's not the best place for sure you can and. You know it depends on what 959 01:34:27,25 --> 01:34:32,92 you're talking about used to the higher you can put something the better the wind's 960 01:34:32,93 --> 01:34:39,86 going to be. Putting is small when system next to the bleachers in 961 01:34:39,87 --> 01:34:44,79 Pioneer High School really didn't make much sense and small when systems are 962 01:34:44,80 --> 01:34:49,85 notorious for ripping themselves apart. So I actually firsthand knowledge what 963 01:34:49,86 --> 01:34:54,07 killed the eventually was that it was too tall for its proximity to the airport 964 01:34:54,08 --> 01:35:00,04 airport and that's certainly another so it's separation I I went out to the Wheeler 965 01:35:00,05 --> 01:35:06,94 center one day with with. Mr bricks and helium 966 01:35:06,95 --> 01:35:12,99 balloon and took pictures showing how far up we could actually put one and not have 967 01:35:12,100 --> 01:35:18,50 it be an airspace Yeah now we do have to be concerned about that there's ridge 968 01:35:18,51 --> 01:35:24,80 lines of course that it really need to look like or say you know from 969 01:35:24,81 --> 01:35:28,75 a Washington County perspective of Manchester's clearly better I mean there you 970 01:35:28,76 --> 01:35:32,89 have original and out there that's great but there are some viability doesn't have 971 01:35:32,90 --> 01:35:33,11 to be 972 01:35:33,12 --> 01:35:36,33 a massive winter of in that we build on the utility scale it could be something 973 01:35:36,34 --> 01:35:39,28 vertical or unique but it's probably not 974 01:35:39,29 --> 01:35:43,80 a focus just leave it there or here yeah it'll probably screen itself out there 975 01:35:43,84 --> 01:35:44,63 there was also 976 01:35:44,64 --> 01:35:49,44 a period of time when they were redoing the line from the water treatment plant up 977 01:35:49,45 --> 01:35:55,06 to the lining line pit next is a school where we tried to get them to put 978 01:35:55,07 --> 01:35:57,32 a piece of conduit in to put 979 01:35:57,33 --> 01:36:02,43 a fairly good sized When system up there but you know name one spend the money on 980 01:36:02,44 --> 01:36:07,55 the condo so. But that's another story. 981 01:36:09,62 --> 01:36:11,69 But it's it's it's 982 01:36:11,70 --> 01:36:18,55 a minor thing it's. So well he didn't Yeah well even you know and it doesn't 983 01:36:18,56 --> 01:36:24,35 preclude. The city buying in doing wind farm someplace else and in the state. 984 01:36:26,61 --> 01:36:29,32 Service literally on the football field in 985 01:36:29,33 --> 01:36:33,55 a high school down in all the Ohio I'd love to show effect pictures it's 986 01:36:33,56 --> 01:36:37,44 a ninety meter hub height winter but this is not an sizable three hundred so feet 987 01:36:37,45 --> 01:36:40,89 tall the kids to play football love to see it you know it's part of the school 988 01:36:40,90 --> 01:36:44,68 environment no think of me every name their football team but there's 989 01:36:44,69 --> 01:36:48,05 a part of it that's just it's the it's been there's always potential it's not 990 01:36:48,06 --> 01:36:53,71 screened out something yeah just yeah and it's all depends on what you're what 991 01:36:53,72 --> 01:36:58,06 you're trying to do you know he if you get thirty percent instead of forty percent 992 01:36:58,51 --> 01:37:00,17 it may be fine if you're not looking for 993 01:37:00,18 --> 01:37:04,76 a profit you know which is what most wind farms are set up for you know and so 994 01:37:04,77 --> 01:37:09,28 let's leave it to them yeah yeah OK let's move on. To the next time perhaps. 995 01:37:11,85 --> 01:37:15,80 The next one pursue legislative remedies or remove disincentives for installation 996 01:37:15,81 --> 01:37:21,25 of sustainable I real ball energy resources including but not limited to seeking 997 01:37:21,26 --> 01:37:27,92 statewide property tax exemptions for residential solar systems. Were 998 01:37:27,93 --> 01:37:33,63 very close to your price that was indeed indeed the city did that and council did 999 01:37:33,64 --> 01:37:39,46 that so maybe one thing we could do I still think pursue legislative remedies or 1000 01:37:39,47 --> 01:37:45,81 move disincentives makes sense yeah maybe we can get rid of that second after 1001 01:37:45,82 --> 01:37:51,92 a comma. So that way it's not as specific to but we can continue to. 1002 01:37:53,11 --> 01:37:53,44 Because there's 1003 01:37:53,45 --> 01:37:58,77 a number of issues and one of the things international or. One of the things that I 1004 01:37:58,78 --> 01:38:04,43 was thinking about. Even looking at the for example purple law I mean it really 1005 01:38:04,44 --> 01:38:10,18 does go why the things that we we need to get involved in the legislative Well also 1006 01:38:10,18 --> 01:38:14,61 . OK. Plan C. 1007 01:38:14,65 --> 01:38:19,01 To pursue legislative remedy is to support appropriate local government access to 1008 01:38:19,02 --> 01:38:24,21 household utility data on gas and electricity used to support the upcoming City 1009 01:38:24,22 --> 01:38:30,36 investment community facing energy programs so this is mostly about data access 1010 01:38:31,79 --> 01:38:37,11 records or you know. What you're going to just say is instead pursue less my 1011 01:38:37,12 --> 01:38:42,46 reading is right we just raise an army and then it's gotten out of it's own. 1012 01:38:44,11 --> 01:38:49,26 Potential abuse example. Right sort of move it on. 1013 01:38:50,65 --> 01:38:55,35 Support and advocate for the incorporation of high performance building efficiency 1014 01:38:55,36 --> 01:39:01,92 systems into the uniform building code stuff you know for 1015 01:39:02,31 --> 01:39:07,71 now we need to replace it with Michigan and then we can leave building there but we 1016 01:39:07,72 --> 01:39:12,64 also need it residential and energy codes all three of them work together in the 1017 01:39:12,65 --> 01:39:17,86 barrier and frankly is energy code the others are kind of paralleling but there's 1018 01:39:17,87 --> 01:39:20,70 Edison going out on this one already from 1019 01:39:20,71 --> 01:39:25,54 a lot of fronts to move our energy could out of prehistoric times to the next well 1020 01:39:25,54 --> 01:39:32,27 . You know another another exercise that may be worthwhile 1021 01:39:32,28 --> 01:39:36,81 is going through these and thinking about what kind of recommendations from their 1022 01:39:36,82 --> 01:39:40,52 conversation we can give to the city council as to how best to pursue some of these 1023 01:39:40,53 --> 01:39:46,39 things if we know certain avenues. They could overcome some of these things well 1024 01:39:46,40 --> 01:39:52,86 certainly on this one I don't. If we've found it yet we're lucky or we've 1025 01:39:53,29 --> 01:39:55,29 actually do but short of getting 1026 01:39:55,30 --> 01:40:01,41 a lot of reports but perhaps asking them to work in this city that's the function 1027 01:40:01,42 --> 01:40:08,39 of the policy. Commission I guess. A committee and city council and 1028 01:40:09,17 --> 01:40:14,50 they are directing our lobbyist to what is important to us and. 1029 01:40:16,61 --> 01:40:22,99 They report back to them and. It really depends on the opportunities in Lansing You 1030 01:40:23,00 --> 01:40:29,54 know we saw some legislation moving on. Alternative energy taxation. 1031 01:40:30,80 --> 01:40:36,57 And and they were active on that. We just have the wrong which sliced her. 1032 01:40:39,06 --> 01:40:44,01 Back but it's not that they're not working on our behalf it's that you know they're 1033 01:40:44,11 --> 01:40:44,74 yelling into 1034 01:40:44,75 --> 01:40:51,29 a deep well yes we're changing it slowly but I would suggest that this this 1035 01:40:51,36 --> 01:40:57,20 election cycle has made some positive changes in this emptiness fashion that our 1036 01:40:57,24 --> 01:41:03,15 new governor may in fact. Be more impressed with the subject than our previous 1037 01:41:04,22 --> 01:41:08,17 well and sometimes there is something to be said for term limits some of the people 1038 01:41:08,17 --> 01:41:14,52 . Who are leaving. Not that I'm an advocate for that 1039 01:41:15,80 --> 01:41:18,29 and then this last one here advocated for 1040 01:41:18,30 --> 01:41:23,53 a carbon fee and didn't play consistent with the resolution are seventeen three 1041 01:41:23,54 --> 01:41:24,94 fourteen Appendix B. 1042 01:41:26,22 --> 01:41:32,88 So that's again the carbon fee and if it is. The other the 1043 01:41:32,89 --> 01:41:39,35 other kind of. Sector that I get excited that we might want to add to this list or 1044 01:41:39,36 --> 01:41:44,59 Evie related. Especially since we do have an easy ordinance. 1045 01:41:51,49 --> 01:41:57,06 So you know what fashion or do you want to address that issue. So I think there is 1046 01:41:57,32 --> 01:42:01,48 currently a lot happening on the state level there's 1047 01:42:01,49 --> 01:42:05,94 a Volkswagen settlement that's going through right now trying to find out how 1048 01:42:05,95 --> 01:42:09,38 that's going to be spent at the state level that's that's one way that we can get 1049 01:42:09,39 --> 01:42:14,75 involved so they get the legislative in general legislative level making sure that 1050 01:42:14,76 --> 01:42:15,24 we have 1051 01:42:15,35 --> 01:42:20,54 a finger on the pulse and or making recommendations is best to kind of promote 1052 01:42:20,55 --> 01:42:25,19 Evey's. That's language that we could craft now or I could put something together 1053 01:42:25,20 --> 01:42:32,04 and share with you guys at it either way for expediency sake of another potential 1054 01:42:32,05 --> 01:42:37,86 topic and I'm not frankly qualified to talk about it but your boss would be and 1055 01:42:37,87 --> 01:42:41,61 that is is there anything that should be done from 1056 01:42:41,62 --> 01:42:46,70 a climate. Adaptation perspective yeah I think Missy's got 1057 01:42:46,71 --> 01:42:50,86 a lot of experience in that area it's this is all sort of mitigation sort of focus 1058 01:42:50,90 --> 01:42:56,80 right but I think from the adaptation side there may be legislation or things that 1059 01:42:56,97 --> 01:43:00,72 we should be pushing at the state level and I think Missy would be able to craft 1060 01:43:00,73 --> 01:43:04,36 a statement or doctors stilts would be able to craft 1061 01:43:04,37 --> 01:43:08,80 a statement to that effect include that on the list so maybe you could you have her 1062 01:43:08,81 --> 01:43:13,22 do that so there are there's an environmental commission portion as well and I 1063 01:43:13,23 --> 01:43:16,72 think some of the things that she had made some recommendations at the bottom here 1064 01:43:16,73 --> 01:43:20,92 add to the environment OK sorry but if you can think of anything that's more kind 1065 01:43:20,93 --> 01:43:26,46 of energy related that we would be doing on you know I kind of went through and 1066 01:43:26,47 --> 01:43:29,80 thought about or so committees and kind of covers I think what we have now it's out 1067 01:43:29,81 --> 01:43:36,65 of the Evy component but OK if you go completely Anything else you mail me 1068 01:43:36,66 --> 01:43:41,78 and you know I don't. Do so I don't I one of the problems that we have 1069 01:43:41,79 --> 01:43:47,58 a council often is that when we're looking at new development in town we can't 1070 01:43:49,06 --> 01:43:56,02 push them to you know. Incorporated energy efficiency or green roofs 1071 01:43:56,03 --> 01:44:02,37 or brightly those things unless they're in certain very narrow zoning districts and 1072 01:44:02,38 --> 01:44:07,79 certainly to the extent that I think this comes up in your first one but we really 1073 01:44:07,80 --> 01:44:13,16 want the building codes to to really recognize that some of some communities want 1074 01:44:13,17 --> 01:44:19,46 to be more adventuresome you know we really want to push on these issues and. We're 1075 01:44:19,47 --> 01:44:19,52 in 1076 01:44:19,53 --> 01:44:25,52 a boom cycle right now building wise and we can't you can't require six inch studs 1077 01:44:25,53 --> 01:44:31,21 in new houses we can't require more insulation than you know the state code does we 1078 01:44:31,22 --> 01:44:37,65 can't. We can't encourage solar or anything else in the House and 1079 01:44:37,97 --> 01:44:44,01 certainly to the extent that we can get the budgets later in Lansing to. Give us 1080 01:44:44,02 --> 01:44:50,99 more discretion than it would be friendly it's evident other states that was 1081 01:44:50,100 --> 01:44:56,48 involved in this choose its work pass this military community to enforce stronger 1082 01:44:56,49 --> 01:45:02,28 rules that exist other places checking in to get closer to the market certain 1083 01:45:02,68 --> 01:45:07,95 messages since as one eyed there's several states that if push this to the local 1084 01:45:07,96 --> 01:45:14,79 jurisdictions so forth there are also provide some and set up to 1085 01:45:14,93 --> 01:45:19,36 builders that they can do hire for some buildings if they met certain energy 1086 01:45:19,37 --> 01:45:24,47 Stoner's and it wasn't successful but there was in this you have some variance and 1087 01:45:24,48 --> 01:45:29,18 you certainly certain is only in districts so I think the downtown areas either de 1088 01:45:29,19 --> 01:45:33,52 wanted you to and there are limits on height and if you want exceed that you have 1089 01:45:33,53 --> 01:45:37,88 to provide some public benefit like affordable housing or energy efficiency or 1090 01:45:37,89 --> 01:45:43,75 something like that and. They've almost always chosen something other than or 1091 01:45:43,76 --> 01:45:50,25 Jewfish unseen right. But that's that's something the report likely to 1092 01:45:50,26 --> 01:45:57,22 revisit this year because. At one point in time just. Including any kind 1093 01:45:57,23 --> 01:46:00,78 of residential space in your downtown development got you 1094 01:46:01,33 --> 01:46:06,25 a greater height it didn't even have to be affordable housing and so we're trying 1095 01:46:06,26 --> 01:46:11,67 to narrow the benefits that they can another. 1096 01:46:12,99 --> 01:46:17,73 Zoning just require we get to exercise some discretion is with the planned unit 1097 01:46:17,74 --> 01:46:19,19 developments or P.D.S. 1098 01:46:19,76 --> 01:46:25,63 And they have to provide us public benefits and affordability use one of those and 1099 01:46:25,64 --> 01:46:30,85 so is energy efficiency and so we can push harder on those if we. 1100 01:46:32,66 --> 01:46:38,57 If we use those owning districts more more effectively than we him so for instance 1101 01:46:38,58 --> 01:46:43,67 the Lowertown development where the crabbers used to be at the base of Broadway 1102 01:46:43,68 --> 01:46:47,76 Hill we released them from that zoning district and gave them 1103 01:46:47,77 --> 01:46:50,86 a very permissive zoning C one of the R. 1104 01:46:51,46 --> 01:46:57,40 And so in order to provide us anything. We have to be of less permissive in our in 1105 01:46:57,41 --> 01:47:03,81 our exercise of rezoning and more demanding in our desire for public benefits like 1106 01:47:03,82 --> 01:47:07,05 an energy efficient step towards that and is there anything that the Energy 1107 01:47:07,06 --> 01:47:12,03 Commission could do that would make it easier for you to be stronger almost. 1108 01:47:14,76 --> 01:47:19,33 Toward that is raising the Energy Commission can do that is easier for your 1109 01:47:19,59 --> 01:47:24,84 district in your head so you could do those kinds of things go into saying we think 1110 01:47:24,85 --> 01:47:25,08 this is 1111 01:47:25,09 --> 01:47:29,49 a good idea you should do more of it or to read it because you're obviously already 1112 01:47:29,50 --> 01:47:34,16 know that so it's Yes So let me ponder that and I'll come back with ask if I can 1113 01:47:34,17 --> 01:47:35,41 think of an answer it's 1114 01:47:35,42 --> 01:47:40,89 a good good good idea good thing but if you want to do something to help us if you 1115 01:47:40,90 --> 01:47:46,96 can recognize that one of the easiest things we can do to address climate change is 1116 01:47:46,97 --> 01:47:53,90 to plant trees. And we are reckless with our current trees and 1117 01:47:54,24 --> 01:47:59,84 one of the things that we are doing to address. Our tree population is our dear 1118 01:47:59,85 --> 01:48:06,62 call which is why own plate controversial and if if we were to express the 1119 01:48:06,63 --> 01:48:07,93 opinion that this is 1120 01:48:08,46 --> 01:48:14,27 a good outlet you know by by reducing deer overgrazing we're encouraging 1121 01:48:15,03 --> 01:48:19,55 reforestation in our natural areas. It's not 1122 01:48:19,56 --> 01:48:23,98 a popular view you make it turn the public against you but it's one of the easiest 1123 01:48:23,99 --> 01:48:28,33 things that we can do is just the not have deer eat all the oaks happen seedlings 1124 01:48:28,34 --> 01:48:30,93 you know and. It has 1125 01:48:31,52 --> 01:48:38,10 a real measurable impact over time so just kind of running such 1126 01:48:38,11 --> 01:48:44,09 a resolution for us to consider seventy percent of. December is 1127 01:48:44,10 --> 01:48:49,11 a work session I don't think that we should ever get to the size that I think our 1128 01:48:49,12 --> 01:48:53,69 purview is more energy focus even though I don't know if that's something that 1129 01:48:53,70 --> 01:48:57,39 maybe the environmental commission I wrote it down to them OK because the 1130 01:48:57,40 --> 01:49:03,15 environmental commission does have. The right it's exactly in in our wheel and that 1131 01:49:03,16 --> 01:49:09,13 wheel house and one of the sustainability dashboard metrics is the tree canopy as 1132 01:49:09,17 --> 01:49:14,58 Jeff knows and so I think that doesn't mean that he couldn't have that resolution 1133 01:49:14,59 --> 01:49:16,19 also endorsed by Energy Commission that 1134 01:49:16,20 --> 01:49:19,92 a price is probably starts best in environmental commissions and I made 1135 01:49:19,93 --> 01:49:26,70 a note. OK So that brings OK so I'm going to craft the eview related 1136 01:49:26,71 --> 01:49:30,78 one well good enough pass it around. Finalize 1137 01:49:30,79 --> 01:49:36,34 a list so you have taste so yeah I just realized that what we printed probably went 1138 01:49:36,35 --> 01:49:41,63 back to the template. Because it's an old one so I'm going to read off the 1139 01:49:41,64 --> 01:49:45,24 committees that we have and we can go and do updates one by one So hundred percent 1140 01:49:45,25 --> 01:49:52,14 clear. We max We discussed this proposition. 1141 01:49:53,34 --> 01:49:58,72 We've decided to move beyond Honeywell and our next meeting will be talking about 1142 01:49:58,95 --> 01:50:01,23 next steps we did have a little bit of 1143 01:50:01,24 --> 01:50:04,88 a conversation as far as what's next steps would be but I think that'll really be 1144 01:50:04,89 --> 01:50:11,52 the focus of our next meeting. In general I've created templates for all of these 1145 01:50:11,53 --> 01:50:16,20 meetings I put them up alleges star there's also reading material on those 1146 01:50:16,21 --> 01:50:21,66 templates so if people want to join you can go out and actually read it just 1147 01:50:21,67 --> 01:50:26,02 download it there are links that are writing to the agenda they're basically built 1148 01:50:26,03 --> 01:50:27,49 into the agenda you can take 1149 01:50:27,50 --> 01:50:33,67 a reading and join us the next one is dark skies ordinance John did you want to do 1150 01:50:33,81 --> 01:50:38,74 the very briefly we haven't met I don't think since the last committee meeting but 1151 01:50:39,48 --> 01:50:41,69 we meet next week we have 1152 01:50:41,70 --> 01:50:46,44 a draft ordinance that's been it's sort of like 1153 01:50:46,45 --> 01:50:51,88 a straw man I guess you'd say everybody is in the process of putting comments into 1154 01:50:51,89 --> 01:50:58,74 a Google Docs. Framework and we're going to meet and review all those comments and 1155 01:50:58,75 --> 01:51:04,37 then hopefully come up with the next iteration our target date for having 1156 01:51:04,99 --> 01:51:05,55 essentially 1157 01:51:05,56 --> 01:51:12,49 a fine this semi final draft that we could then show to the Energy Commission as 1158 01:51:12,50 --> 01:51:17,27 well as the Planning Commission I believe is in the beginning of February so we 1159 01:51:17,48 --> 01:51:18,14 still have 1160 01:51:18,70 --> 01:51:23,04 a chance for interation or two between this meeting next week and then when we 1161 01:51:23,05 --> 01:51:27,70 would then present a final draft but we're making good progress. So I have 1162 01:51:27,71 --> 01:51:32,76 a question and I know that you've told me this before so I apologize but have we 1163 01:51:32,77 --> 01:51:37,35 included the city attorney's office in the drafting of this Yeah so one of the 1164 01:51:37,36 --> 01:51:42,87 steps in the timeline that we have is going to not only the city attorney but with 1165 01:51:42,88 --> 01:51:47,09 the Planning Commission and others we identified all the key stakeholder groups and 1166 01:51:47,10 --> 01:51:53,92 are also going to meet with all stakeholder groups as well. And it's we also 1167 01:51:53,96 --> 01:51:57,64 fortunately the Planning Commission at the same time was looking at 1168 01:51:57,65 --> 01:52:02,36 a stop sign ordinance and we looked at that sign ordinance because there's 1169 01:52:02,40 --> 01:52:06,99 a lot of signs that are lit and so we provided input in that that will be separate 1170 01:52:07,17 --> 01:52:07,52 that will be 1171 01:52:07,53 --> 01:52:10,54 a part of the sign ordinance but we are able to address the lighting aspects of 1172 01:52:10,55 --> 01:52:17,39 that at the same time. Next we have time of marketing ordinance 1173 01:52:17,48 --> 01:52:18,36 and I can also lump in 1174 01:52:18,37 --> 01:52:25,25 a little bit Evy ready ordinance as well so for both of our red. Subcommittees 1175 01:52:25,57 --> 01:52:30,78 we want to add in take a look at a time line. With John's help we took 1176 01:52:30,79 --> 01:52:35,35 a look at what Dark Skies was doing we I begun to basically put 1177 01:52:35,36 --> 01:52:39,92 a timeline together for each of the committees for our next meeting we also 1178 01:52:39,93 --> 01:52:44,57 identified some of the stakeholders that we want to bring to the table in the 1179 01:52:44,58 --> 01:52:50,87 process I shared with everyone some kind of overview material so we can. 1180 01:52:52,25 --> 01:52:57,47 Look at the same stuff and be be on the same page so both of those again will be 1181 01:52:57,48 --> 01:53:03,18 meeting this month and we'll be looking at some of those the timeline stakeholders 1182 01:53:03,19 --> 01:53:08,03 things of that nature. Just before you go on to the next one I think yes for. 1183 01:53:09,14 --> 01:53:13,42 Clarity's sake for not so much necessarily as committee because we keep on talking 1184 01:53:13,43 --> 01:53:20,28 about it but for residents Sure why don't we rename the dark skies. Ordinance 1185 01:53:20,32 --> 01:53:21,14 it's really going to be 1186 01:53:21,15 --> 01:53:25,19 a lighting ordinance and I think that is more meaningful to anybody looking from 1187 01:53:25,20 --> 01:53:26,89 the outside in or listening on T.V. 1188 01:53:26,90 --> 01:53:32,37 Where ever. We're looking at Minutes or agendas and maybe for time of marketing we 1189 01:53:32,38 --> 01:53:37,24 could do something along the lines of energy audit disclosure so that way it's 1190 01:53:37,25 --> 01:53:44,20 a bit more. At time of market if you 1191 01:53:44,21 --> 01:53:46,46 want if you want if you're really really clear. 1192 01:53:52,82 --> 01:53:59,04 I think that either you're ready as OK solar access 1193 01:54:00,02 --> 01:54:01,62 check to have an update 1194 01:54:02,14 --> 01:54:06,77 a little humor to add to the commission sometimes we need this so I my son happens 1195 01:54:06,78 --> 01:54:10,62 to live in this little town and in Colorado the thinks it's more advanced and we're 1196 01:54:10,63 --> 01:54:14,19 called Boulder so I reached out to him 1197 01:54:14,20 --> 01:54:16,55 a little bit to find out if I just help them build 1198 01:54:16,56 --> 01:54:19,44 a new house in new houses in Boulder there's 1199 01:54:19,45 --> 01:54:25,75 a pretty strong saw access easement ordinance requirement there and actually that 1200 01:54:25,76 --> 01:54:31,07 it's bad about as being the revolution of solar access easement so I've adopted the 1201 01:54:31,08 --> 01:54:32,07 boulder concept 1202 01:54:32,08 --> 01:54:35,99 a little bit and I've actually written something so this one man ordinance 1203 01:54:36,04 --> 01:54:40,38 activities has moved to the next step I need to piggyback on some of the other 1204 01:54:40,39 --> 01:54:44,35 ordinance work that's going on to get the stakeholders playing commission and 1205 01:54:44,36 --> 01:54:47,42 director planning involved in the city but I think we're at 1206 01:54:47,43 --> 01:54:51,35 a state where before I do that I want to make sure this body is comfortable with 1207 01:54:51,36 --> 01:54:57,01 what we're proposing there are already you know too much going on in the city that 1208 01:54:57,09 --> 01:54:59,39 needs to have this move forward because I have 1209 01:54:59,40 --> 01:55:03,26 a seat at least one solar system when you may have others that are now shaded 1210 01:55:03,27 --> 01:55:08,68 because we love construction to go beyond where that should have so I'll bring that 1211 01:55:08,69 --> 01:55:09,97 to the body and I think we have 1212 01:55:09,98 --> 01:55:15,84 a work session next next time we'll have that for the for the body Next Next So 1213 01:55:15,85 --> 01:55:20,77 a little Q one is tricky and it's trickier here than are just involved because 1214 01:55:20,95 --> 01:55:21,46 Boulder has 1215 01:55:21,47 --> 01:55:25,21 a hike limitation because they want you to be able to see the mountains that is 1216 01:55:25,22 --> 01:55:30,95 correct and says they're limited to I think six stories this may be some learning 1217 01:55:31,01 --> 01:55:36,64 you know it's something like that so. Interestingly Boulder because of the 1218 01:55:36,80 --> 01:55:41,75 settlements with the utility in Colorado give the solar panels to the residence so 1219 01:55:41,76 --> 01:55:44,61 my son has a free array honest house you don't have to pay 1220 01:55:44,62 --> 01:55:51,21 a cent for the. Really Yeah that's right Marcus was that wonderful Sure so I wonder 1221 01:55:51,22 --> 01:55:51,82 if we could pass 1222 01:55:51,83 --> 01:55:58,25 a rez you know something new residence never gets free solar panels you might well 1223 01:55:58,39 --> 01:56:04,00 well to actually get out of what's right. Thanks I'll keep moving keep it moving 1224 01:56:04,40 --> 01:56:08,18 Yeah great thank you for working on OK I reached 1225 01:56:08,19 --> 01:56:11,90 a school just right here I do have 1226 01:56:11,91 --> 01:56:17,18 a little bit of an update I reached out to Jason being about power purchase 1227 01:56:17,19 --> 01:56:23,15 agreements we're looking at National Housing Trust as well as Michigan saves as 1228 01:56:23,24 --> 01:56:24,83 possible P.P.A. 1229 01:56:24,84 --> 01:56:25,30 Per person 1230 01:56:25,31 --> 01:56:30,54 a great man model and we are interested to see if the schools will look into it 1231 01:56:30,55 --> 01:56:36,46 thankfully they are so those conversations will be ongoing. You have them is we're 1232 01:56:36,47 --> 01:56:38,46 also working on a P.P.A. With D.T.E. 1233 01:56:38,47 --> 01:56:43,02 Are you in touch at all with the opposite came campus inability or I don't know is 1234 01:56:43,03 --> 01:56:48,35 this is the wind yeah yeah yeah we know OK OK I thought. 1235 01:56:50,23 --> 01:56:57,18 Yeah that's something OK community outreach there wasn't much on this front 1236 01:56:57,19 --> 01:57:03,04 I do know that. There's an idea kind of put forth as far as getting out into the 1237 01:57:03,05 --> 01:57:08,88 community and having some conversations I don't know where things why would that 1238 01:57:09,37 --> 01:57:10,37 work would you know 1239 01:57:10,38 --> 01:57:21,31 a listening tour of the listening tour as it were Yeah oh yes. The 1240 01:57:21,32 --> 01:57:28,26 other side discussion about that. Dr Saltz is looking at. The 1241 01:57:28,30 --> 01:57:34,65 information that there was collected from from various people on imports and. At 1242 01:57:34,73 --> 01:57:38,76 a meeting with her in the summer of. It's 1243 01:57:38,77 --> 01:57:45,44 a great idea to get community you know they're. There 1244 01:57:45,84 --> 01:57:52,70 to help them understand what some of our issues are sometimes you tell 1245 01:57:52,100 --> 01:57:59,80 us you know this for texting there's someone else to do. You know yeah. Well 1246 01:57:59,81 --> 01:58:06,72 hopefully that will change this month with those bills and they're reportedly going 1247 01:58:06,73 --> 01:58:10,70 to be active down there for the environmental commission. 1248 01:58:13,62 --> 01:58:18,46 So you guys had the joint meeting everybody knows about that and since then the 1249 01:58:18,47 --> 01:58:24,04 main focus has been still on solid waste and maybe just to elaborate on that 1250 01:58:24,05 --> 01:58:29,32 a little bit we're in the process the city is with heavy involvement from 1251 01:58:29,33 --> 01:58:34,39 environmental commission in the solid waste resource management plan update 1252 01:58:34,66 --> 01:58:40,77 together with the city's consultants app and tomorrow afternoon will be the first 1253 01:58:40,78 --> 01:58:46,83 meeting with the so-called advisory group which includes people that are sort of 1254 01:58:46,87 --> 01:58:51,88 experts in the field as well as key stakeholder groups downtown businesses 1255 01:58:52,43 --> 01:58:56,49 residents that are involved and I'll be attending that as 1256 01:58:56,50 --> 01:59:01,79 a substitute for Allison Skinner but that process is 1257 01:59:01,83 --> 01:59:07,73 a multi-step process that goes through July so there are still many many steps 1258 01:59:07,77 --> 01:59:11,91 beyond that but that's been basically the focus of the environmental commission in 1259 01:59:11,92 --> 01:59:16,80 addition to the other topic that I mentioned earlier was the the future meetings 1260 01:59:16,81 --> 01:59:23,79 and what we're going to be handling in those we maintain for I think your interest 1261 01:59:26,01 --> 01:59:32,87 right thank you for the committee's OK. We still have some public out 1262 01:59:32,88 --> 01:59:38,61 there with anybody like to say or say anything about energy three minutes. 1263 01:59:40,44 --> 01:59:47,34 So that your name and let's hear it. President so I 1264 01:59:47,35 --> 01:59:52,95 know it cuts all talk about the committee looking for specific projects so they can 1265 01:59:52,96 --> 01:59:58,69 kind of latch on to you. I just quickly Google to find the most recent info about 1266 01:59:58,70 --> 02:00:03,16 the Brillion that county Farms which is from them live in September twenty fourth 1267 02:00:03,17 --> 02:00:09,39 of two thousand and eighteen so it seems like it's getting getting quite close it's 1268 02:00:09,73 --> 02:00:14,43 I know it's a counties land but it's inside the city so it seems like it should be 1269 02:00:14,44 --> 02:00:18,36 a really good opportunity for the Energy Commission environment question the whole 1270 02:00:18,37 --> 02:00:22,70 city to really make sure we're partnering with this whole project maybe we can 1271 02:00:22,75 --> 02:00:28,23 offer input on lighting or even your readiness or whatever and I'm sure even if 1272 02:00:28,24 --> 02:00:31,20 they thought of everything already that we could learn 1273 02:00:31,21 --> 02:00:37,05 a lot from it and. Hopefully they'll go towards some future projects but it seems 1274 02:00:37,06 --> 02:00:40,57 like you'd be a shame if the whole thing got done and we couldn't say we as 1275 02:00:40,58 --> 02:00:45,17 a city we're partnering strongly with this thing that's going to be major showcase 1276 02:00:45,59 --> 02:00:52,58 for clean energy in the future and it does the same thing. Should have given 1277 02:00:52,59 --> 02:00:59,55 their final loan on October third for the purchase and then the. Next steps 1278 02:00:59,56 --> 02:01:03,100 continue advocacy through the city's approval process so it sound like it's moving 1279 02:01:04,01 --> 02:01:09,49 in the city's court right now and hopefully we. Energy Commission and the rest of 1280 02:01:09,50 --> 02:01:13,94 the commissions and the council and everything can. In the project we can jump on 1281 02:01:13,95 --> 02:01:19,25 board with our thank you the seven nation that. Numerous times 1282 02:01:19,26 --> 02:01:25,59 a network of this miser can. Could really move until I got through with it through 1283 02:01:25,60 --> 02:01:32,29 the county. Well he said we discussed is getting that area designated as 1284 02:01:32,30 --> 02:01:36,46 a solar micro-grid this is a carving it out as 1285 02:01:36,47 --> 02:01:39,55 a micro-grid that requires D.T.S. 1286 02:01:39,59 --> 02:01:46,41 Participation heads for some preliminary meetings with the T M This subject. And 1287 02:01:46,45 --> 02:01:53,13 and the balls is kind of in math court right now. Just 1288 02:01:53,17 --> 02:01:58,69 to decide whether or not you know there's various ways to pursue that but me one 1289 02:01:58,70 --> 02:02:04,70 way is having it that there's nothing that precludes every individual home in that 1290 02:02:05,28 --> 02:02:08,99 area you know putting solar on the House and during that meter with those with the 1291 02:02:09,00 --> 02:02:13,75 utilities assuming they don't have a lot of time this gets done but doing it as 1292 02:02:13,76 --> 02:02:19,99 a sort of like a grid. That's a lot of. Benefits to the community as 1293 02:02:20,00 --> 02:02:25,95 a whole and it provides the city with some emergency response benefits and some 1294 02:02:25,96 --> 02:02:29,63 other things so. We won't get 1295 02:02:29,64 --> 02:02:34,32 a solo record unless the city is actively engaged with D.G. 1296 02:02:34,33 --> 02:02:41,30 And Matt knows that and and preliminary discussions of. What happened we've offered 1297 02:02:41,31 --> 02:02:48,18 to have him come to the Energy Commission and request our. Indorsement 1298 02:02:48,19 --> 02:02:54,57 of this on my her idea and we're waiting for him. Well for example resolution 1299 02:02:55,22 --> 02:02:56,85 we should initiate till we get 1300 02:02:56,86 --> 02:02:59,24 a signal from that to against whomever I've given that 1301 02:02:59,25 --> 02:03:04,33 a draft resolution. Several months ago and we're just we're literally waiting I 1302 02:03:04,34 --> 02:03:09,14 just read some of the email here when the county did the things of you know when do 1303 02:03:09,15 --> 02:03:13,86 you want to do you want to do this now and he said get back to you so we're waiting 1304 02:03:13,87 --> 02:03:19,31 but I think it would agree with you it would be an outstanding project and as of so 1305 02:03:19,32 --> 02:03:22,49 my career would really be a good project and Chuck knows 1306 02:03:22,53 --> 02:03:28,52 a lot of us over my career and they're actually consumers tested and saw my career 1307 02:03:28,56 --> 02:03:34,51 battery hybrids which would be ideal for for this as well. 1308 02:03:35,93 --> 02:03:38,21 Driving cars to consumers to buy the T.V. 1309 02:03:38,22 --> 02:03:42,49 And easier but in the short run probably have to do with. 1310 02:03:45,18 --> 02:03:51,45 Just the way these is just that the planning process is going to be less of an 1311 02:03:51,46 --> 02:03:58,12 obstacle in the micro good process. When it enters the planning process there are 1312 02:03:58,58 --> 02:03:59,57 opportunities for 1313 02:03:59,58 --> 02:04:04,07 a public hearing in the Planning Commission and so if you or anybody in the 1314 02:04:04,08 --> 02:04:10,24 committee in the community has ideas as to what they'd like to see and be part of 1315 02:04:10,25 --> 02:04:12,68 that community I think that that's 1316 02:04:12,69 --> 02:04:16,36 a good they've got exciting ideas but nobody can think of everything that they 1317 02:04:16,37 --> 02:04:22,91 would certainly entertain us but. There's plenty of public opportunity to discuss 1318 02:04:22,92 --> 02:04:29,74 this before it gets to city council so. If there's any way we can have 1319 02:04:29,82 --> 02:04:35,08 the energy commission can have some kind of formal partnership with mask other it's 1320 02:04:35,09 --> 02:04:39,89 in his court he's going to come forward to us Madis met with me to and on several 1321 02:04:39,90 --> 02:04:44,96 occasions so I think he knows where to come to them. And I mean. 1322 02:04:46,80 --> 02:04:51,26 That Matz met with everybody. Thank you thank you thanks. 1323 02:04:55,36 --> 02:05:00,40 Input jack I imagine. There. Is 1324 02:05:00,50 --> 02:05:06,11 a city workers putting in coverage for people that can. Be more. 1325 02:05:07,55 --> 02:05:10,57 We're spending a lot of money and the best technology that we have 1326 02:05:10,58 --> 02:05:15,86 a lot of which is some kind of activated charcoal filters and. 1327 02:05:18,26 --> 02:05:22,13 It's proven to be somewhat effective you know if you don't get to zero you just 1328 02:05:22,14 --> 02:05:26,43 know that I mean one of the reasons why people are asked this is just an emerging 1329 02:05:26,44 --> 02:05:32,22 issue is because over the last ten years they've just been developing the 1330 02:05:32,23 --> 02:05:38,38 technology to measure down to parts per billion and pieces is dangerous the per 1331 02:05:38,39 --> 02:05:45,32 billion dollar is like gasoline is parts per million and so of. When you're down 1332 02:05:45,33 --> 02:05:49,35 to parts per billion if you can cut it from thirty seven down to ten or something 1333 02:05:49,36 --> 02:05:50,20 it gets That's 1334 02:05:50,21 --> 02:05:55,41 a dramatic decrease but you know if it's I think it's pretty hard to get all of 1335 02:05:55,42 --> 02:06:02,39 them one. Here that we offer as the expenditure to to 1336 02:06:02,40 --> 02:06:08,47 install the thought of us very concerned. 1337 02:06:11,00 --> 02:06:16,95 And maybe we should be working on after surveying individual households to use 1338 02:06:16,96 --> 02:06:20,62 rainwater catchment systems you know so they could be 1339 02:06:20,63 --> 02:06:24,58 a likely place that has haunted house or has posed to me that we should be 1340 02:06:24,59 --> 02:06:30,92 encouraging. The question of water to use for you know Gardens 1341 02:06:30,93 --> 02:06:37,90 parks trees. And often water runs off from your yard to 1342 02:06:38,14 --> 02:06:38,66 take care of 1343 02:06:38,87 --> 02:06:43,91 a considerable portion of the greenery around you that area that you want to reveal 1344 02:06:44,59 --> 02:06:47,44 which Matt has done with his home his personal matter of 1345 02:06:47,45 --> 02:06:53,97 a brain knows that you have. Everything except for portable water from Green 1346 02:06:54,80 --> 02:07:01,14 rainwater. Certainly from an environmental standpoint and this is now energy 1347 02:07:01,22 --> 02:07:07,63 related. Just our fundamental infrastructure is so important to our role as 1348 02:07:07,64 --> 02:07:12,22 environmentalist you know his just periodical you read and why the about us dumping 1349 02:07:12,23 --> 02:07:15,67 a hundred thousand gallons of raw sewage into the river which is not 1350 02:07:15,68 --> 02:07:21,35 a good thing when you read about. Foam in the river that you shouldn't touch or 1351 02:07:21,36 --> 02:07:25,65 even. Hope that you don't have to be told that you know the D.X. 1352 02:07:25,66 --> 02:07:28,09 In is is headed towards the river it's just 1353 02:07:28,10 --> 02:07:34,01 a matter of whether it's the river north far enough north to to taint our water 1354 02:07:34,02 --> 02:07:40,56 supply so again and yet our infrastructure issues are. Really environmental issues 1355 02:07:40,61 --> 02:07:46,09 and so when I talk about the competing interests in our in our city budget when 1356 02:07:46,10 --> 02:07:52,08 we're. Deciding how to spend that hundred million dollars These are the you know 1357 02:07:52,37 --> 02:07:56,12 some of the more pressing issues that we have you know tens of millions of dollars 1358 02:07:56,13 --> 02:08:01,08 worth of meat is that you're talking about water I'll pass up to 1359 02:08:01,09 --> 02:08:06,52 a guy and maybe we can get an answer at some point because I gave it to Matt 1360 02:08:06,56 --> 02:08:11,49 allowed back in and never got an answer back from the water department there was 1361 02:08:11,50 --> 02:08:16,30 a study that came out to Matt not yet talking. About 1362 02:08:16,31 --> 02:08:23,22 a year ago now where they looked at forty or fifty cities worldwide their 1363 02:08:23,23 --> 02:08:25,44 water supply and they tested for 1364 02:08:25,45 --> 02:08:31,80 a microphone Asterix and they discovered that most of them had sun in it and so I 1365 02:08:31,81 --> 02:08:38,12 asked the question Do we have that you know water system and I was and I never got 1366 02:08:38,13 --> 02:08:44,76 an answer so I think the important question is do we test for that. You know. Right 1367 02:08:44,77 --> 02:08:50,74 now we're dealing with micro very illogical issues and 1368 02:08:51,92 --> 02:08:56,47 you know there's lots of stuff in the water from decades and centuries of 1369 02:08:56,52 --> 02:09:03,33 responsibility you know. The my capacity Kwan's. It's an interesting one 1370 02:09:03,34 --> 02:09:10,26 because it's. We use so much plastics and we we let so much of it go out 1371 02:09:10,27 --> 02:09:16,23 in Vironment and then they added micro plastics to facial creams and everything 1372 02:09:16,77 --> 02:09:23,65 and you know. It's just everywhere and it's coming off of our synthetic clothes 1373 02:09:23,66 --> 02:09:28,63 and everything else and yet they don't know what the safe levels of ingestion are 1374 02:09:29,16 --> 02:09:33,46 you know you eat fish and you eat that because it's definitely in fish send me an 1375 02:09:33,47 --> 02:09:38,09 email to remind me to ask you I will because I'm going from this meeting to another 1376 02:09:38,10 --> 02:09:44,78 meeting enough to get him OK I will do that. But just Michael plastics is 1377 02:09:44,86 --> 02:09:50,68 delivered from his carrier you think like us now in some ways things Hydroid just 1378 02:09:50,69 --> 02:09:55,37 saw them just go away because they react to things and some of the Curia were drugs 1379 02:09:55,38 --> 02:10:00,31 or not and so there are some elements of the events of the Jacks point there's more 1380 02:10:00,48 --> 02:10:07,43 than what you think in the Mind you know lots of pharmaceuticals. OK 1381 02:10:07,76 --> 02:10:13,02 That's why you drink beer rather than water there yeah OK so you are there's water 1382 02:10:13,03 --> 02:10:18,07 in the beer OK. OK So after a slight 1383 02:10:18,08 --> 02:10:21,66 a correction here items for the next agenda it's 1384 02:10:21,67 --> 02:10:27,55 a work session so I don't know whether anyone has anything to work on the 1385 02:10:27,56 --> 02:10:33,32 resolution so. I'm going conversation commission. 1386 02:10:34,36 --> 02:10:39,54 Staff and city council and the rest we could have that relationship I also have. 1387 02:10:41,36 --> 02:10:47,62 Energy Fund so it would be yes yes so I have met Dave. 1388 02:10:49,06 --> 02:10:51,52 Or thinking about how best to get 1389 02:10:51,53 --> 02:10:58,22 a reboot. Energy Fund. And then finally Mark 1390 02:10:58,23 --> 02:11:03,94 for January's meeting we have your resolution. I can. 1391 02:11:05,19 --> 02:11:09,10 Break for at least five report on the listening tour stuff because I have 1392 02:11:09,11 --> 02:11:15,60 a chance to talk to this about that that's great so I can report on OK so I have 1393 02:11:15,61 --> 02:11:19,81 a quick question for Wes council meeting we passed by a loss for 1394 02:11:19,82 --> 02:11:24,68 a commission that's yet to be formed and I'm wondering what's the status of our 1395 02:11:24,81 --> 02:11:29,21 bylaws to pass those. They got tabled when there was 1396 02:11:29,84 --> 02:11:35,24 a move afoot to combine us with the environmental Commission which now seems to be 1397 02:11:35,53 --> 02:11:39,80 dead so it is something yes so we should bring their program that you know you're 1398 02:11:39,81 --> 02:11:44,73 a future Oh yes good point yeah yeah Mitch. 1399 02:11:49,25 --> 02:11:53,31 I think it's enough for now exactly with an eye to two other two other 1400 02:11:53,32 --> 02:12:00,19 possibilities in the rest of. Weigh in on when the troll Pria. A solar 1401 02:12:00,20 --> 02:12:06,05 faithful update I think with interesting and then potentially especially in light 1402 02:12:06,06 --> 02:12:08,93 of what Dave talked about because I know charred house was also 1403 02:12:08,94 --> 02:12:15,86 a possibility and what's the carry over from that to the city or and over public 1404 02:12:15,87 --> 02:12:19,99 schools etc Eventually that sort of carries over into 1405 02:12:20,00 --> 02:12:23,85 a community solar kinds of things but right now we don't have I haven't had 1406 02:12:23,86 --> 02:12:28,44 a subcommittee meeting on that because there's really nothing to do especially also 1407 02:12:28,45 --> 02:12:32,81 with the freedom package going through the house and waiting on solar faithful so 1408 02:12:33,02 --> 02:12:36,99 an update at some point Josh you can maybe tell us when I mean it could be December 1409 02:12:37,00 --> 02:12:41,29 or it could be in January or past than in the other one is something that I would 1410 02:12:41,82 --> 02:12:44,11 present we had 1411 02:12:44,46 --> 02:12:49,71 a contingent from our sister city to bring in that was here we hosted 1412 02:12:49,72 --> 02:12:56,10 a couple My wife and I did and attended several events and one of them. Was an 1413 02:12:56,11 --> 02:13:01,28 event with Mayor Taylor and council members from both tubing and Ann Arbor talking 1414 02:13:01,29 --> 02:13:07,28 about three sort of common issues between the cities and one was energy and climate 1415 02:13:07,29 --> 02:13:11,98 action and there was a presentation that was given by being in 1416 02:13:12,27 --> 02:13:14,54 a member of their city council and I have 1417 02:13:14,55 --> 02:13:18,99 a copy of that that I had him leave with me and I could go over that briefly I'm 1418 02:13:19,00 --> 02:13:23,55 not going to be able to get into real detail but to be interesting for us to see 1419 02:13:23,63 --> 02:13:27,64 what they're tracking what metrics they're using some of the strategies that 1420 02:13:27,65 --> 02:13:34,34 they've employed some of which are know to low cost kinds of things some of which 1421 02:13:34,35 --> 02:13:35,76 actually tie in with would 1422 02:13:35,77 --> 02:13:40,67 a doing about job programs so I could present that at whatever meeting is 1423 02:13:40,68 --> 02:13:45,96 appropriate. To bring in Germany yeah that's 1424 02:13:45,97 --> 02:13:50,71 a university town like Ann Arbor about the same size and one of our sisters are 1425 02:13:51,45 --> 02:13:56,30 going to be wonderful. Sure Shot also sent 1426 02:13:56,31 --> 02:14:00,76 a few recommendations as far as topics for your next that's 1427 02:14:00,77 --> 02:14:05,84 a bit of I'll be working with her to see what best timing would be great you have 1428 02:14:05,85 --> 02:14:11,38 wonderful Well if there's nothing else we'll call this meeting adjourned at eight 1429 02:14:11,39 --> 02:14:18,27 ten Yeah it's. Kind of how 1430 02:14:18,31 --> 02:14:23,54 sometimes companies regulate our environmental regulations hurt and put rich people 1431 02:14:23,84 --> 02:14:30,26 in terms of like income so. Is there anybody incentives to short term for people 1432 02:14:30,27 --> 02:14:35,77 working looking for like solar panels and other environmentally friendly stuff. 1433 02:14:37,69 --> 02:14:41,34 That's a. LITTLE Yeah I like short term because 1434 02:14:41,35 --> 02:14:46,09 a lot of the things we talk about is thirty percent tax free but that's for 1435 02:14:46,10 --> 02:14:48,07 everybody yeah that's 1436 02:14:48,08 --> 02:14:53,87 a excellent question I think. Office has really been taking. The things we've been 1437 02:14:53,88 --> 02:14:59,38 doing one of the things that I know we've been looking at as far is rental housing 1438 02:14:59,67 --> 02:15:06,09 and energy efficiency audits one of the problems that we often find is what we 1439 02:15:06,23 --> 02:15:13,00 require energy efficiency. In rental units it can just fortunately 1440 02:15:13,01 --> 02:15:18,55 affect those that have the most burden so that's something we've been working with 1441 02:15:18,56 --> 02:15:25,23 Boulder and others to try to see if there are market forces that we can use to help 1442 02:15:25,24 --> 02:15:31,35 on that front. The other side affordable housing so everything we've been doing I 1443 02:15:31,36 --> 02:15:32,35 recently completed 1444 02:15:32,67 --> 02:15:39,63 a net zero analysis of some affordable housing where the idea would be energy 1445 02:15:39,67 --> 02:15:40,46 costs are usually 1446 02:15:40,47 --> 02:15:47,45 a large burden for those that basically are hard pressed economically 1447 02:15:47,77 --> 02:15:51,40 and so we've been finding ways to possibly bring down their energy burden through 1448 02:15:51,41 --> 02:15:52,67 energy efficiency upgrades 1449 02:15:52,68 --> 02:15:56,99 a lot of energy efficiency upgrades specifically things like how we deal lights can 1450 02:15:57,00 --> 02:16:03,94 bring down the cost of electrical use and the upfront costs can be much less than 1451 02:16:03,95 --> 02:16:10,72 for example major upgrades on top of that we're also hoping to. Proposing to 1452 02:16:10,73 --> 02:16:16,36 help subsidize some of those energy efficiency upgrades as well as renewables so I 1453 02:16:16,37 --> 02:16:16,85 think those are 1454 02:16:16,86 --> 02:16:22,29 a few things we're looking at maybe you could exchange contact Yeah we can we'll 1455 02:16:22,30 --> 02:16:26,56 continue to. What I don't know if you can get up earlier one of the things that 1456 02:16:26,69 --> 02:16:29,50 Councilman He mentioned earlier is that there is 1457 02:16:29,51 --> 02:16:34,59 a resolution in front of council to provide funding and as he mentioned 1458 02:16:34,87 --> 02:16:41,14 a major portion of that is for two hundred thousand dollars that would. Essentially 1459 02:16:41,15 --> 02:16:47,89 make affordable housing units that are on Broadway net zero and so the idea 1460 02:16:47,90 --> 02:16:53,50 is that both energy efficiency as well as solar measures would be taken so that 1461 02:16:53,51 --> 02:16:58,77 people that are living in those would essentially not have utility costs anymore 1462 02:16:58,78 --> 02:17:03,98 other than water and gas from the electrical side would be that it's the gas side 1463 02:17:03,99 --> 02:17:06,20 is not being addressed in the Net Zero right so we are 1464 02:17:06,21 --> 02:17:09,93 a little so my recommendation is where to turn all the natural gas appliances to 1465 02:17:09,94 --> 02:17:15,53 add to electric OK so it would be truly Net Zero other than either near the water 1466 02:17:15,62 --> 02:17:20,73 and then more generally our housing director is looking at our affordable housing 1467 02:17:20,74 --> 02:17:26,04 units as we retrofit them to be more durable and more energy efficient so not 1468 02:17:26,05 --> 02:17:31,66 necessarily net zero but just changing out the appliances so that they don't 1469 02:17:31,67 --> 02:17:38,52 consume as much electricity or just adequately insulating housing unit saves and 1470 02:17:38,53 --> 02:17:45,23 heating and cooling costs so we're trying to address people of modest incomes 1471 02:17:46,46 --> 02:17:52,43 at one of those levels that Pounds them harder than the rest of us you know I mean 1472 02:17:52,43 --> 02:17:54,93 . Air conditioning isn't 1473 02:17:55,33 --> 02:17:59,77 a luxury to me but you know heating and cooling costs are 1474 02:17:59,88 --> 02:18:01,80 a major expense for someone who's on 1475 02:18:01,81 --> 02:18:08,48 a limited income and so. Just making our housing units 1476 02:18:08,49 --> 02:18:15,05 for subsidized house housing more affordable and you know all respects Have you any 1477 02:18:15,06 --> 02:18:20,08 contact with Habitat for Humanity. So now you know that obviously there are certain 1478 02:18:20,09 --> 02:18:26,48 sort of low income people and you should talk to them they have all of their homes 1479 02:18:26,49 --> 02:18:31,42 are built on energy or there are the retrofits as well are Energy Star return 1480 02:18:31,43 --> 02:18:32,20 related which is 1481 02:18:32,21 --> 02:18:38,59 a threshold from the Department of Energy and they also provide incentive programs 1482 02:18:38,88 --> 02:18:44,89 for things like replacing. Old refrigerator and things like that that sort of 1483 02:18:44,90 --> 02:18:49,09 linked in with the tea but you should contact there is habitat of humanity of 1484 02:18:49,10 --> 02:18:53,15 Washington County and you should contact them some of that the things that they do 1485 02:18:53,16 --> 02:18:58,29 might be of interest for your heart because there's yeah that's true that's 1486 02:18:58,30 --> 02:19:02,70 a good point I think the power hour that we did have 1487 02:19:03,14 --> 02:19:08,68 a library is available on the web and you can look at it where we had somebody from 1488 02:19:09,43 --> 02:19:16,15 somebody from the county and somebody from Habitat all talking about different 1489 02:19:16,16 --> 02:19:21,79 things that. Were assistance programs for energy efficiency that was recorded just 1490 02:19:21,80 --> 02:19:24,79 like this meeting I think yeah you should be able to access it I think maybe 1491 02:19:24,80 --> 02:19:29,25 through the city or the district yeah I'll give you my contact information we can 1492 02:19:29,26 --> 02:19:35,99 go you know. It's hard to find on the library's website but it is there so I want 1493 02:19:36,00 --> 02:19:41,12 to applaud your tension to that issue because certainly energy and environmental 1494 02:19:41,13 --> 02:19:47,08 issues. Are minorities and people of low income more than us it's true 1495 02:19:48,12 --> 02:19:51,44 they're living through it in ways that we don't all power plants or in their 1496 02:19:51,45 --> 02:19:58,30 neighborhoods and everything else. OK well with that we're 1497 02:19:58,31 --> 02:19:58,63 adjourned.