1 00:00:04,48 --> 00:00:10,11 Thanks thanks thanks. 2 00:00:14,39 --> 00:00:19,05 Thanks. Thanks thanks. 3 00:00:22,06 --> 00:00:27,07 Thanks thanks. Thanks. 4 00:00:28,40 --> 00:00:35,20 Thanks. Well now 5 00:00:35,34 --> 00:00:36,79 we're on t.v. 6 00:00:36,80 --> 00:00:43,46 Again this is what we do Ward and this is artistic expressions and I'm so happy 7 00:00:43,72 --> 00:00:50,33 to have Claudia both Linus did I spread out. A line use are right 8 00:00:50,71 --> 00:00:56,34 I knew I was going to mess it up. But all the time no worries and I was so happy to 9 00:00:56,35 --> 00:01:02,86 have you on my show Claudia to be here and we met at the bridge and you told me 10 00:01:02,87 --> 00:01:08,37 that you did artwork and I said Oh I would love to see some of your artwork and I 11 00:01:08,38 --> 00:01:15,21 was excited that we were able to to get you on and. So now you you grew up 12 00:01:15,82 --> 00:01:22,06 in town I grew up at McLean Virginia claim Virginia and you know you attended Uva 13 00:01:22,28 --> 00:01:28,43 Yeah and when did you graduate hasn't 16 oz so your brand new grad yet pretty much 14 00:01:28,44 --> 00:01:35,25 all right and so what are you doing now at the moment I met the uva Curry School of 15 00:01:35,29 --> 00:01:38,13 Education I'm preparing to get 16 00:01:38,14 --> 00:01:43,06 a license in special education teaching wonderful wonderful We need all the 17 00:01:43,07 --> 00:01:46,09 teachers we can get I was old yeah I was 18 00:01:46,10 --> 00:01:52,42 a teacher for many years and I loved it and I love going into the schools yeah I 19 00:01:52,43 --> 00:01:58,53 love it till I get to do it every week right right right well we're so happy that 20 00:01:58,54 --> 00:02:04,16 you were able to be on our show today and so we're going to hopefully we're going 21 00:02:04,17 --> 00:02:08,95 to get to see some of your artwork but how did you get started you mean how to get 22 00:02:08,96 --> 00:02:12,44 started with your art drawing in general I could start 23 00:02:12,45 --> 00:02:19,26 a what I was about 4 or 5 and I think it started with just 24 00:02:19,27 --> 00:02:20,75 a general interest in 25 00:02:21,22 --> 00:02:26,84 a bunch of does need children's books the ones with the really big illustrations 26 00:02:26,85 --> 00:02:32,20 the carpets have the really little pictures. I guess the time I liked them enough 27 00:02:32,71 --> 00:02:39,59 that I tried copying them myself granted paper you know as I kept practicing 28 00:02:39,60 --> 00:02:40,29 doing that when I was 29 00:02:40,30 --> 00:02:46,04 a little aggressive became easier and easier and when some other people saw me 30 00:02:46,05 --> 00:02:51,29 doing this they are. Would sometimes help me out by teaching me 31 00:02:51,47 --> 00:02:56,64 a few drawing skills themselves wonderful and you know they enjoyed the doing this 32 00:02:56,68 --> 00:03:01,57 I enjoyed doing this so much that you know I just continued from there and there 33 00:03:01,58 --> 00:03:06,85 are statistics Wow And so how many pictures have you ever drawn Have you ever 34 00:03:06,86 --> 00:03:10,33 counted them. I've lost count that you like 35 00:03:10,34 --> 00:03:14,90 a forever wonderful I won't take too much time write I understand I have 36 00:03:14,91 --> 00:03:20,50 a daughter who's an artist and she says she can count all of her artwork and she 37 00:03:20,51 --> 00:03:26,68 teaches are even counts their art Well some people do but my daughter teaches art 38 00:03:26,69 --> 00:03:26,93 in 39 00:03:26,94 --> 00:03:33,77 a special school in New York and so you get to have something in common Yeah I'd love 40 00:03:33,78 --> 00:03:40,63 to meet her sometimes. One of the things that I would like to ask you is what does 41 00:03:40,64 --> 00:03:43,96 our work do for you I think 42 00:03:43,97 --> 00:03:49,84 a lot of things. I guess for me the purpose of our work has changed 43 00:03:49,85 --> 00:03:56,75 a lot over time in the past I bought it you know just for far and then starting in 44 00:03:56,76 --> 00:04:01,12 middle school when I was thinking about what to do as a career I thought you know 45 00:04:01,13 --> 00:04:03,16 a doesn't want to pursue something are related as 46 00:04:03,17 --> 00:04:08,70 a career given how many people are happy and in the business Paula doing that sort 47 00:04:08,71 --> 00:04:15,30 of thing like you know in the past I simply wanted to do just animated movies but 48 00:04:15,31 --> 00:04:18,52 as time passed on I realized that I had 49 00:04:18,56 --> 00:04:25,20 a lot of different options and it was good to see that my art could fulfill 50 00:04:25,45 --> 00:04:30,54 a variety of purposes of you know pleasure at not just for my so but for other 51 00:04:30,55 --> 00:04:36,95 people too especially in education where. I was surprised to learn our education 52 00:04:36,99 --> 00:04:43,91 overlap much more than I expected like you know there's learning reading books that 53 00:04:43,92 --> 00:04:48,44 a lot of emphasis on illustrations for early readers their own foreign language 54 00:04:48,45 --> 00:04:48,91 truly 55 00:04:48,92 --> 00:04:55,63 a lot of pictures to avoid linguistic verbal barriers and so on and so forth so I 56 00:04:55,64 --> 00:04:56,74 would say as 57 00:04:56,75 --> 00:05:01,72 a kid art was more was mostly for pleasure and then in my teen years it was more 58 00:05:01,73 --> 00:05:03,85 work focused as I was doing it towards 59 00:05:03,89 --> 00:05:10,62 a very specific narrow goal but now I feel like it's even Tao to I guess it's even 60 00:05:10,63 --> 00:05:16,10 balance of both pleasure for myself the people I show the way to you know make 61 00:05:16,11 --> 00:05:20,79 friends and meet people whom I have seen in common with and also work related and 62 00:05:20,80 --> 00:05:23,36 that it becomes useful in 63 00:05:23,90 --> 00:05:29,49 a variety of work environments I've been in and not just one wonderful you know I 64 00:05:29,50 --> 00:05:36,38 think I can relate to that because when I write poetry. I find that for me it's 65 00:05:36,39 --> 00:05:41,38 coming through me I am not thinking about it from my head yeah it just comes 66 00:05:41,39 --> 00:05:46,18 through me but then when I go into the schools and share my poetry with the 67 00:05:46,19 --> 00:05:52,17 children and try to get them to to write poetry it feels so good that we can 68 00:05:52,18 --> 00:05:58,43 express it together definitely yes yes yes and so that that makes a makes 69 00:05:58,44 --> 00:06:03,31 a lot of his so poetry and art work would kind of combine together yeah like that 70 00:06:03,32 --> 00:06:08,15 this social aspect of our 2 like you mentioned and that was the other aspect I find 71 00:06:08,16 --> 00:06:12,50 pleasurable of not just making other people happy when they see my art making 72 00:06:12,51 --> 00:06:17,22 people happy knowing that there's someone else out there who enjoys doing our bit 73 00:06:17,23 --> 00:06:22,69 as much as they do right right is that so it's really are I see we have something 74 00:06:22,73 --> 00:06:28,55 on the screen here perfect timing right do you remember doing this yeah it was 75 00:06:28,56 --> 00:06:33,52 actually during the 1st our class over to our cases you did this in 76 00:06:33,53 --> 00:06:39,02 a class Yeah and it looks like a cathedral with a willow tree it's 77 00:06:39,03 --> 00:06:45,58 a willow tree oh my goodness how did I see it could they drove. Well see 78 00:06:45,91 --> 00:06:51,78 that's another thing the interpretations of art the same thing with poetry we 79 00:06:51,98 --> 00:06:55,74 everybody participates and they participate in it in 80 00:06:55,75 --> 00:07:02,38 a different way so obviously we are now I see some trees. And 81 00:07:02,42 --> 00:07:08,99 where was this done get done of the uva campus yes those 2 drawings 82 00:07:09,06 --> 00:07:15,52 were for in our classes where it was focusing just on charcoal drawing 83 00:07:15,75 --> 00:07:21,29 and just basically copying drawing whatever you see right maybe because this is the 84 00:07:21,30 --> 00:07:27,89 class for I guess beginners in charcoal drawing so the focus was less on 85 00:07:27,90 --> 00:07:33,37 concept on what you wanted to draw and war based on how well you could draw. 86 00:07:34,07 --> 00:07:35,64 Whatever they assigned you so 87 00:07:35,65 --> 00:07:42,39 a lot of these are char charcoal you say yeah this charcoal still lies in that 88 00:07:42,40 --> 00:07:47,31 general sort of category and did you enjoy doing that kind of yeah definitely you 89 00:07:47,32 --> 00:07:52,09 know it was an easy grade at least now that looks like 90 00:07:52,10 --> 00:07:58,44 a wonderful pathway Yeah and the great thing about that class was the worry met one 91 00:07:58,45 --> 00:08:05,18 of my closest friends and this and out of all my friend this was the one friend who 92 00:08:05,85 --> 00:08:11,35 we connected we bonded the most over our shared interest in art wonderful one 93 00:08:11,70 --> 00:08:15,01 actually still lives in Charlottesville and we still keep in touch that's great 94 00:08:15,05 --> 00:08:18,02 that's great so you're you're you're doing 95 00:08:18,03 --> 00:08:24,69 a lot of sceneries here that's wonderful wonderful one as I said I have 96 00:08:24,70 --> 00:08:29,59 a friend who's tries to get me to do art work but I said I think I'll just stick to 97 00:08:29,60 --> 00:08:35,65 poetry although my as I said my youngest daughter is wonderful with her artwork and 98 00:08:35,65 --> 00:08:42,59 . I really am very proud of her with some of the things that she does I have 99 00:08:42,60 --> 00:08:48,33 some of her pain in my in my apartment she she loves 100 00:08:49,48 --> 00:08:56,43 flowers and scenery and. She she started when she was very 101 00:08:56,44 --> 00:09:02,59 little Also and I didn't realize at the time how much how important it was for her 102 00:09:02,60 --> 00:09:08,81 in her life you know so I'm glad that you were encouraged to do it because when I 103 00:09:08,82 --> 00:09:15,80 was raising my daughters I didn't I didn't know the concept as as important as it 104 00:09:15,81 --> 00:09:21,53 is and I'm glad now that I did let them encourage you know get the art work done so 105 00:09:21,54 --> 00:09:26,84 all of my daughters are kind of in in some kind of creative way my oldest one is 106 00:09:27,42 --> 00:09:31,57 was an actress my middle one is artist and my youngest one was 107 00:09:31,58 --> 00:09:36,57 a dancer so they all did creative things that I think I've covered them as it was 108 00:09:36,58 --> 00:09:42,95 with my family as well you know my grandpa was an ark attack dog and my 109 00:09:43,26 --> 00:09:44,96 grandma used to do 110 00:09:45,00 --> 00:09:49,94 a lot of pottery and painting in his spare time actually one point she was offered 111 00:09:50,64 --> 00:09:52,36 I think either a grant or 112 00:09:52,37 --> 00:09:56,76 a sabbatical or something like that that allowed her to take some time off and 113 00:09:56,77 --> 00:10:02,41 focus solely on her artwork wonderful that that must have been great Do you have 114 00:10:02,42 --> 00:10:09,31 copies of her artwork. Stanley I don't know but you know what on my phone I do the 115 00:10:09,32 --> 00:10:10,12 picture of 116 00:10:10,13 --> 00:10:14,75 a building of the building that my grandpa helped desire wonderful so use is stay 117 00:10:14,76 --> 00:10:18,37 in touch. No passed away 118 00:10:18,41 --> 00:10:23,80 a while ago but the last time we went to visit his hometown we passed by some 119 00:10:23,81 --> 00:10:28,19 building we passed by some buildings that I discovered that my grandpa was actually 120 00:10:28,20 --> 00:10:30,93 involved in I was like oh whoa this is 121 00:10:30,94 --> 00:10:36,54 a surprising thing to know now you know well that's family history that I love to 122 00:10:36,88 --> 00:10:41,29 find out because when I when I go into the schools I try to get the students to ask 123 00:10:41,30 --> 00:10:45,29 their parents and their grandparents and their great grandparents if they have them 124 00:10:45,66 --> 00:10:49,98 about what it was like for them because that's family history that we don't keep 125 00:10:50,08 --> 00:10:53,43 track of you know yeah so I'm glad you had 126 00:10:53,44 --> 00:10:56,58 a chance to connect with your grandparents Yeah especially 127 00:10:56,59 --> 00:11:02,73 a lot during my childhood when we went to visit them every year. And. 128 00:11:04,00 --> 00:11:08,34 I see some more artwork. That looks like 129 00:11:08,35 --> 00:11:12,46 a street oh that was like right from my house just 130 00:11:12,47 --> 00:11:17,55 a bunch of cable wires from across the street so you were looking out the window 131 00:11:17,82 --> 00:11:24,36 Yeah I did more specific I was sitting I was standing on the driveway right across 132 00:11:24,37 --> 00:11:26,77 the street because you can get 133 00:11:26,78 --> 00:11:32,05 a view like this from my window I see Ok And what do we have I have that looks 134 00:11:32,06 --> 00:11:37,82 familiar I thought. Every so that you taught at u.b.s. 135 00:11:37,83 --> 00:11:44,36 That looks glue you remember this thought yes yes yes oh that's wonderful that's 136 00:11:44,37 --> 00:11:46,81 a wonderful shot yeah you see 137 00:11:46,82 --> 00:11:51,93 a lot of these charcoal drawings were just scenery at the uva camp and that was 138 00:11:51,94 --> 00:11:58,43 when you were in class Yeah yeah so actually you were being told that you had to do 139 00:11:58,44 --> 00:12:03,40 I was being told rather than rated on the what right you were getting graded All 140 00:12:03,41 --> 00:12:10,32 right so this one looks like is that on the grounds to what that the little spot in 141 00:12:10,33 --> 00:12:13,18 your climbers new library Ok 142 00:12:13,23 --> 00:12:19,02 a little spot in the library and this is by oh hell remember oh hell yeah yeah yeah 143 00:12:19,02 --> 00:12:24,02 . Well you got a lot of Uva there Amber I mentioned being 144 00:12:24,06 --> 00:12:29,32 a psychology major right Ashley Well that pit that previous picture is the 145 00:12:29,33 --> 00:12:34,84 psychology department building are Yes Ok So that oh yeah I stopped by there 146 00:12:34,85 --> 00:12:40,90 a lot in the past great that's wonderful So this this if you looked at your art or 147 00:12:40,94 --> 00:12:41,82 we could get to know 148 00:12:41,83 --> 00:12:47,51 a little bit about your life well I think that's how it is with all our work if yes 149 00:12:47,55 --> 00:12:53,46 it's true although some people claim it's not true but the same with my poetry even 150 00:12:53,47 --> 00:12:55,00 though I know for sure that 151 00:12:55,07 --> 00:12:59,57 a lot of my poetry has to do with my life yeah that's true in varying degrees yes 152 00:12:59,61 --> 00:13:05,48 yes yes well now what would you like to do with your art. Ideally what I would love 153 00:13:05,49 --> 00:13:12,01 to do is have like a long term employment at 154 00:13:12,05 --> 00:13:18,48 a film studio particularly animation and you know best case 155 00:13:18,49 --> 00:13:23,83 scenario I'll be involved in the pre-production stuff like storyboard character 156 00:13:23,84 --> 00:13:28,95 design those 2 primarily because that's what I feel like I'm best at what his 157 00:13:28,96 --> 00:13:34,46 character does and it's basically the job where you decide how cartoon characters 158 00:13:34,47 --> 00:13:41,32 are going to look wow that's amazing I never thought of that you know I 159 00:13:41,33 --> 00:13:46,28 mean that sounds wonderful and where did the ideas come from you know he will give 160 00:13:46,29 --> 00:13:52,50 you ideas or do you do you draw what they tell you. They really draw what they tell 161 00:13:52,51 --> 00:13:59,38 me but sometimes they're very specific other times they're very vague and 162 00:13:59,39 --> 00:14:04,16 they just let me do whatever I want and then I show it to them and then they and I 163 00:14:04,17 --> 00:14:08,97 will brainstorm back and forth on how to compromise to an idea to 164 00:14:08,98 --> 00:14:15,04 a vision that makes us both happy so it will depend on the situation so would you 165 00:14:15,10 --> 00:14:17,82 do you think that you would ever do 166 00:14:18,63 --> 00:14:25,48 a book of. Of artwork if I had time I love. So right now 167 00:14:26,02 --> 00:14:32,39 you're you're working at doing art right doing art and also 168 00:14:32,40 --> 00:14:37,76 studying the Curry School right so you're going to become an art teacher special ed 169 00:14:37,77 --> 00:14:43,38 teacher actually teacher right and that is sole wonderful and I'm really happy that 170 00:14:43,39 --> 00:14:49,25 you're doing that because we need we need teachers and as I said I love the fact 171 00:14:49,26 --> 00:14:55,15 that I can still go into schools even though I'm not technically teaching but I am 172 00:14:55,16 --> 00:15:00,72 sharing my poems and getting the students to do some poetry is I think it's an 173 00:15:00,73 --> 00:15:07,47 important part of our lives and we need to continue to encourage students 174 00:15:07,51 --> 00:15:13,37 to to share their There are definitely And also very important for I think teacher 175 00:15:13,38 --> 00:15:15,93 to share our Yes to less not just as 176 00:15:15,94 --> 00:15:20,68 a teaching tool but also for reading awareness and especially when it comes to 177 00:15:20,96 --> 00:15:27,43 fundraising events like I'm not sure if you really are with the. Allies for autism 178 00:15:28,01 --> 00:15:28,47 some sort of 179 00:15:28,48 --> 00:15:34,92 a vegetable this April and I read about the event alive but maybe the recent event 180 00:15:34,93 --> 00:15:40,17 revolving art but either way while the Facebook page visit bend there was like 181 00:15:40,18 --> 00:15:45,87 a big children's drawing of our mode it one though that's what I think you know and 182 00:15:45,88 --> 00:15:51,76 talk oh by talk about using art for awareness as well as teaching wonder and I 183 00:15:51,77 --> 00:15:56,74 think now schools are becoming much more involved in the awareness function then 184 00:15:56,75 --> 00:16:01,26 before wonder and now awareness and teaching are starting to overlap with each 185 00:16:01,27 --> 00:16:02,83 other they're no longer just 186 00:16:02,89 --> 00:16:08,15 a separate thing rise and I'm glad to hear that because it's so important that 187 00:16:08,52 --> 00:16:13,28 we're connected that was one of the things that I I struggled with when I was 188 00:16:13,29 --> 00:16:20,11 a health teacher I wanted to share parts of me but I also knew that I had to 189 00:16:20,72 --> 00:16:26,11 get the health interest in there also Yeah and that's come I said to Asian when I'm 190 00:16:26,12 --> 00:16:32,47 doing freelance work to you know as much as I want there are some moments where I'm 191 00:16:32,48 --> 00:16:32,68 given 192 00:16:32,69 --> 00:16:38,83 a very big prompt where I really want to express things how I invision but in the 193 00:16:38,93 --> 00:16:44,13 and it's all going to come down more to what the clients want their I want what 194 00:16:44,14 --> 00:16:44,76 itself is not 195 00:16:44,77 --> 00:16:50,43 a bad thing because you know oftentimes the clients come up with ideas that are 196 00:16:50,96 --> 00:16:56,72 equally as good as mine and sometimes even better. That's great yeah well it sounds 197 00:16:56,73 --> 00:17:01,58 like you have found your niche or at least for the time being I think that's 198 00:17:02,10 --> 00:17:06,57 a good knish just that along for the time being right right well that's great and. 199 00:17:07,74 --> 00:17:14,62 When you when you sit to do you work do you feel like. For me I can 200 00:17:14,63 --> 00:17:19,32 only talk about me when I'm doing poetry often I feel as if I'm meditating I wonder 201 00:17:19,33 --> 00:17:23,99 does that feel that way for you when you do an artwork it feels that way when I'm 202 00:17:24,00 --> 00:17:29,54 doing independent projects for myself Ok all right and no that makes sense yeah 203 00:17:29,88 --> 00:17:36,81 yeah so because so for me usually I'm not writing for someone if someone asked me 204 00:17:36,82 --> 00:17:37,15 to write 205 00:17:37,16 --> 00:17:43,57 a poem about someone I really have to struggle with that yeah whereas if I just sit 206 00:17:43,58 --> 00:17:44,20 down and 207 00:17:44,21 --> 00:17:50,46 a poem comes to me that feels freer Exactly and the great thing about in the public 208 00:17:50,91 --> 00:17:56,34 and other they feel more meditative is that they don't have deadlines right or 209 00:17:56,35 --> 00:17:57,68 lease you know 210 00:17:58,02 --> 00:18:02,08 a lot of my work product they would have deadlines either without the pressure to 211 00:18:02,43 --> 00:18:07,86 get it done as soon as possible for the very least they don't come back to you 5 or 212 00:18:07,87 --> 00:18:13,13 so times they how they come. To see. 213 00:18:15,58 --> 00:18:19,15 What. World we have of we have a gift and that's 214 00:18:19,16 --> 00:18:23,77 a wonderful thing there are lots of people who wish that they could have the give 215 00:18:23,78 --> 00:18:30,54 still of our work and and poetry in writing and music ya and that other 216 00:18:30,55 --> 00:18:37,43 great gift artist have is the gift of passing that gift on yes to others yes yes 217 00:18:37,61 --> 00:18:43,47 and you're going to be doing that yeah and in special ed I think that's very 218 00:18:43,48 --> 00:18:49,43 encouraging for young people to be able to feel that they're able to express 219 00:18:49,44 --> 00:18:53,86 themselves yeah especially one so many of them have difficulty express themselves 220 00:18:53,87 --> 00:18:59,88 in words yes yes pictures seem like the best alternate option Yeah I remember 221 00:19:00,74 --> 00:19:04,25 when I was getting at the moment I'm also getting an e.s.l. 222 00:19:04,26 --> 00:19:07,93 Endorsement Ok and the professor for teaching e.s.l. 223 00:19:08,17 --> 00:19:13,66 She emphasized to me several times the importance of storyboards as. A teaching 224 00:19:13,67 --> 00:19:16,99 tool with a story boards story boards are like 225 00:19:17,34 --> 00:19:21,90 a panel of pictures are like are like they're like 226 00:19:21,91 --> 00:19:26,25 a comic book but with out the comic bubbles and those are 227 00:19:26,29 --> 00:19:31,93 a pre-production part they're those the drawings used in the pre-production bit of 228 00:19:31,94 --> 00:19:37,47 animation and there's actually a guideline to what the enemy to do as 229 00:19:37,48 --> 00:19:42,05 a reference when actually animating the scenes I probably should have put 230 00:19:42,65 --> 00:19:48,90 storyboards on the he was. Yeah because you know it's wonderful that you're going 231 00:19:48,91 --> 00:19:55,73 to be doing this because often children who have special needs and are 232 00:19:55,74 --> 00:20:02,66 not always encouraged as much as they should be and I think it's important that 233 00:20:02,67 --> 00:20:07,47 you're sharing your artwork with them yeah and in my experience I stand The 234 00:20:07,62 --> 00:20:12,61 encourage we're talking about it really varies from district to distress yes like 235 00:20:12,62 --> 00:20:19,61 you know I've visited schools where to stick to the tried and not so true 236 00:20:19,62 --> 00:20:25,15 methods and their ground just passively going through the motions but I've also 237 00:20:25,16 --> 00:20:30,87 visited other schools where they're much more innovative and creative and able to 238 00:20:30,88 --> 00:20:36,30 officially come up with new and sometimes more effective solutions wonderful and 239 00:20:36,31 --> 00:20:37,16 that that and that's 240 00:20:37,17 --> 00:20:41,42 a kind of school that I feel like I would love to work in the Med School I feel 241 00:20:41,43 --> 00:20:48,27 like you know. I could help others here when I was 242 00:20:48,28 --> 00:20:54,24 teaching. That that was one of the things that I loved be able to help young people 243 00:20:54,28 --> 00:21:01,13 express themselves because. That's something that is I think very important in our 244 00:21:01,14 --> 00:21:06,44 lives and also in the children's lives and I think creativity is 245 00:21:06,48 --> 00:21:11,16 a way that you know I'm not saying that we don't have the basic skills we have to 246 00:21:11,17 --> 00:21:17,95 have the basics but the creativity is the thing that happens comes from come 247 00:21:18,00 --> 00:21:24,53 from here. What would you say the basics of creativity are well that's 248 00:21:24,54 --> 00:21:30,51 a good question let's see the basics of creativity for me it's not that it comes 249 00:21:30,52 --> 00:21:37,36 from here it comes from here and usually when I'm just sitting and being quiet 250 00:21:38,16 --> 00:21:43,44 then I just allow myself to be quiet and that's when my poems will come and I think 251 00:21:43,45 --> 00:21:47,90 that's probably the same thing that happens for you even though you may not know it 252 00:21:47,91 --> 00:21:48,05 on 253 00:21:48,06 --> 00:21:55,41 a conscious level but. For me it's just letting myself relax 254 00:21:55,51 --> 00:21:59,98 and just letting it flow definitely yeah yeah yeah and I think that's our what do 255 00:21:59,99 --> 00:22:05,16 we have here oh that was one of the independent projects I talked about earlier on 256 00:22:05,60 --> 00:22:10,91 that's the family digital art it was just an abstract Oh and that's about what I'm 257 00:22:10,92 --> 00:22:12,83 getting care to design that think they're full of 258 00:22:12,84 --> 00:22:19,78 a care to design. And what does that say purse for 70 press 70 that's 259 00:22:19,79 --> 00:22:25,36 wonderful. Look at that that looks like a fence and 260 00:22:25,37 --> 00:22:28,74 a well it looks like a fence 261 00:22:28,93 --> 00:22:34,89 a fence holding of oh I don't know I'm trying to see what I thought it had always 262 00:22:35,31 --> 00:22:38,76 but all with the face holding all k. 263 00:22:38,76 --> 00:22:41,71 . This is 264 00:22:41,72 --> 00:22:48,00 a car design Yeah that's enough that's beautiful beautiful I love the colors It's 265 00:22:48,04 --> 00:22:48,94 all is that 266 00:22:49,24 --> 00:22:56,11 a full moon. That's wonderful. One. Yeah you think they 267 00:22:56,12 --> 00:23:00,36 all like her designs are done with digital art wonderful. 268 00:23:03,88 --> 00:23:07,96 One yes they are wonderful 269 00:23:10,47 --> 00:23:16,10 my my young my middle daughter would love to see these what are the she did. 270 00:23:17,88 --> 00:23:21,76 That's a good question I don't know how to describe it I know she did a lot of 271 00:23:22,72 --> 00:23:29,56 a lot of flowers and sceneries and characters and oh yeah 272 00:23:29,91 --> 00:23:35,47 like her own characters or Yes Yes Wow You know I don't know what she's teaching 273 00:23:35,48 --> 00:23:41,79 now Oh so you know that you're also yes some of the mazing I know already meant 274 00:23:41,80 --> 00:23:46,81 that she teach that gifted school yes you're this school yeah this looks like 275 00:23:46,82 --> 00:23:51,77 a parent with all of that's a character from a film. Do you remember 276 00:23:51,78 --> 00:23:58,16 a film called wives of the Guardians. It was some Dream Works Vilma that came out 277 00:23:58,45 --> 00:24:05,01 a few years ago and someone asked me to draw this particular character 278 00:24:05,57 --> 00:24:09,60 that's wonderful So this was sort of an independent project too and that it was 279 00:24:09,61 --> 00:24:13,78 something done on my own time but not for 280 00:24:13,79 --> 00:24:19,13 a specific rocket or reparation Well that's created so it sounds like you're you're 281 00:24:19,38 --> 00:24:24,94 huge You're picking and choosing and yet you do working and yet you're enjoying 282 00:24:25,20 --> 00:24:31,28 that for me was the hardest parts of my are right now is the choosing because you 283 00:24:31,29 --> 00:24:38,22 know recently there's been some hard moments where I've had to say no to 284 00:24:38,23 --> 00:24:41,39 projects offered to bring her you know 285 00:24:41,43 --> 00:24:45,93 a multitude of reasons either one was because they didn't have 286 00:24:46,39 --> 00:24:48,25 a budget to pay me with for 287 00:24:48,26 --> 00:24:54,95 a film they were doing another time was because typically when I'm choosing 288 00:24:54,96 --> 00:24:56,22 props but I'm sure they were part of 289 00:24:56,23 --> 00:25:02,36 a work on The Factor in my decision process is not just money but also the 290 00:25:02,37 --> 00:25:06,62 content right because you know I didn't want I don't want anything that I would 291 00:25:06,63 --> 00:25:12,93 look bad on my resume and the 1st time I said no to somebody you know they at I 292 00:25:12,94 --> 00:25:17,52 remember they sent out a flyer saying hey we're working on 293 00:25:17,53 --> 00:25:23,18 a film we need some storyboards we need some pre-production crew I offer to help 294 00:25:23,19 --> 00:25:30,12 out they send me the script I look at it and. Even though you 295 00:25:30,13 --> 00:25:36,68 know all story wise plot wise it was interesting just. Some see. 296 00:25:37,73 --> 00:25:44,51 I felt were suggesting some ideas and implications that I would not feel 297 00:25:44,60 --> 00:25:49,34 good providing that I just thought were wrong and I kind of had to politely tell 298 00:25:49,35 --> 00:25:54,53 him No well that's funny thing is that you know new artist tend to be not only 299 00:25:54,54 --> 00:25:59,01 creative but also much more flexible and I guessed at but that I could 300 00:25:59,02 --> 00:26:03,47 understanding than most people because when I told him the exact reason why I 301 00:26:03,48 --> 00:26:08,58 didn't want to do it out I was scared thinking oh did i just upset him maybe I 302 00:26:08,59 --> 00:26:13,50 should just kept my big mouth. You know but all the privately he wrote back and 303 00:26:13,51 --> 00:26:17,09 said Hey they will back it that way you make 304 00:26:17,10 --> 00:26:22,02 a really good point you know these are some day the hand thought of before I will 305 00:26:22,32 --> 00:26:28,36 talk to my team about it and see what happens Well that's wonderful because it is 306 00:26:28,37 --> 00:26:33,09 not easy to speak up yeah I mean you know in the end even though they never went 307 00:26:33,10 --> 00:26:37,03 through with the idea the important thing is that they actually understood and even 308 00:26:37,07 --> 00:26:37,54 liked it 309 00:26:37,55 --> 00:26:41,68 a bit so other the most important thing was that at least the understanding with 310 00:26:41,69 --> 00:26:42,97 their great that was 311 00:26:42,98 --> 00:26:49,10 a very surprising and just wasn't surprised but I am proud of you because I it's 312 00:26:49,11 --> 00:26:54,10 not always easy for me to say no so it was wonderful that you could you could tell 313 00:26:54,11 --> 00:27:00,39 them no because often we we don't want to offend someone but yet we know we have to 314 00:27:00,64 --> 00:27:04,83 we have to speak up for ourselves so that that's great I think that 315 00:27:04,84 --> 00:27:10,59 a hard choice between doing what's right for others yes for yourself exactly Ok 316 00:27:10,60 --> 00:27:17,39 well I can't believe this but it's the time is almost 0 up oh my implies 317 00:27:17,40 --> 00:27:19,79 where did it go and it's been such 318 00:27:19,80 --> 00:27:26,48 a wonderful time talking with you and I hope you enjoyed talking with me and I'm 319 00:27:26,49 --> 00:27:31,41 hoping that we'll get to see some more of your artwork Yeah yes this is been 320 00:27:31,42 --> 00:27:38,10 wonderful Claudia. Afraid to try your last name it's Ok. 321 00:27:39,39 --> 00:27:46,21 To hit the papers Ok long no we did it wrong well I knew along those 322 00:27:46,41 --> 00:27:51,81 lines well with God and I been so happy having you and I was so glad we met each 323 00:27:51,82 --> 00:27:56,96 other at the Bridge Yeah I was so happy to meet you again Well we're going to 324 00:27:56,97 --> 00:27:59,01 you're going to get to see yourself on t.v. 325 00:27:59,05 --> 00:28:03,83 Yeah I'm really excited about it I want to for you did well you did well. Thank you 326 00:28:04,05 --> 00:28:04,64 thank you Chris.