1 00:00:00,79 --> 00:00:05,55 Taking over the right I don't want to go ahead and we're going to start over the 2 00:00:05,72 --> 00:00:12,68 women OK. All right. All 3 00:00:12,69 --> 00:00:16,43 right we're going to go ahead I got to get started and. 4 00:00:23,22 --> 00:00:23,46 We have 5 00:00:23,47 --> 00:00:30,42 a roll call pairing the president Mr nicely this Riviera here Miss 6 00:00:30,43 --> 00:00:36,65 Van Gundy president come from Monroe Price chairman present Chairman Hyde. 7 00:00:42,66 --> 00:00:43,46 We have 8 00:00:43,47 --> 00:00:50,71 a motion to excuse the 3 individuals that are not present. Do 9 00:00:50,72 --> 00:00:50,93 we have 10 00:00:50,94 --> 00:00:57,92 a 2nd. Pairing. Ribiera 11 00:00:58,83 --> 00:01:05,77 Van Gundy vice chairman Coleman Yes. Second item 12 00:01:05,78 --> 00:01:12,10 on the agenda the election of officers generally in the past we've tried before 13 00:01:12,49 --> 00:01:19,19 a session. Is that 14 00:01:19,20 --> 00:01:24,93 something you made a motion. Or at least for now you can make 15 00:01:24,94 --> 00:01:30,07 a motion to table that to the. Sec. 16 00:01:34,22 --> 00:01:40,58 To comment yes Revere. The place chairman calling Yes 17 00:01:42,29 --> 00:01:48,34 I think you've got. Your parents. 18 00:01:51,31 --> 00:01:57,46 Sorry now talk. That maybe. I heard item 19 00:01:58,25 --> 00:02:02,50 approval of the motion summary of the May meeting as everybody had 20 00:02:02,51 --> 00:02:07,53 a chance to read the motion. Summary and are there any. 21 00:02:09,36 --> 00:02:12,29 Questions in the Commons changes. 22 00:02:17,13 --> 00:02:17,76 Do we have 23 00:02:17,77 --> 00:02:26,01 a motion to move to prove I can. I. Escape 24 00:02:26,45 --> 00:02:28,20 Yes Mr B. 25 00:02:28,21 --> 00:02:34,88 Or you know. Expanding. Thanks chairman Coleman Yes 26 00:02:37,42 --> 00:02:43,93 all right now for the buns. For the item of business is the case 27 00:02:44,68 --> 00:02:50,82 20115758 request by Joel Rice were specific 28 00:02:50,83 --> 00:02:56,98 appropriateness for the proposed donation reconstruction of the William Street was 29 00:02:57,26 --> 00:03:01,84 the Greek community business district you know located in. 30 00:03:04,28 --> 00:03:08,29 The Times. Staff have 31 00:03:08,30 --> 00:03:14,87 a presentation yes we fill. In the 1st well we'll start with our Power Point. 32 00:03:20,83 --> 00:03:22,94 May think. That. 33 00:03:47,53 --> 00:03:53,85 Things are. Technical typical to me 34 00:03:54,57 --> 00:04:01,26 and the theater location and map property is smoky the at the north west 35 00:04:01,31 --> 00:04:06,77 intersection of West 1000000 Street and North Franklin other property is known to 36 00:04:06,78 --> 00:04:13,26 be 3. Isn't the transitional subdistrict of our historic district 37 00:04:13,34 --> 00:04:17,67 overlay and this is an aerial view of the property. 38 00:04:20,64 --> 00:04:27,02 The property has been vacant for over 7 years and the applicants 39 00:04:27,11 --> 00:04:31,69 purchased the property in early 2018 40 00:04:33,63 --> 00:04:39,72 and quickly through time the existing building is not the 41 00:04:39,76 --> 00:04:46,24 original building on the site on this photograph shows at that corner was vacant 42 00:04:46,25 --> 00:04:53,15 and 1887. And here it shows the 43 00:04:53,19 --> 00:04:59,18 current unique building shade and in the 1930 S. 44 00:04:59,18 --> 00:05:05,82 . There was US Ohio gas station on that site and here are 45 00:05:05,83 --> 00:05:12,63 some historic photos and throughout the seventy's it 46 00:05:12,64 --> 00:05:18,92 was still the US Ohio gas station and in the 47 00:05:18,93 --> 00:05:20,43 1990 S. 48 00:05:21,03 --> 00:05:26,35 The property again had changed hands and was occupied by the middle Heigho printing 49 00:05:26,36 --> 00:05:33,11 company. And it was put up for sale in 2039 and 50 00:05:33,45 --> 00:05:40,37 at that time. Of pulp smoothie and juice bar was proposed to 51 00:05:40,38 --> 00:05:46,01 be located at that site and renovations were started but because of financial 52 00:05:46,02 --> 00:05:52,71 difficulties the project did not move forward until the project was but 53 00:05:53,27 --> 00:06:00,09 the property was put back up for sale and of the applicant became interested in 54 00:06:00,34 --> 00:06:04,42 2017 the applicant appeared before each P.C. 55 00:06:04,43 --> 00:06:11,13 For an informal review to discuss the proposal for demolition of the 56 00:06:11,14 --> 00:06:15,60 site and rebuilding on the site and at that time on a P.C. 57 00:06:15,61 --> 00:06:20,44 Was receptive to both the demolition and reconstructed. 58 00:06:22,53 --> 00:06:29,34 And in May of 2019. After the applicant had purchased property had 59 00:06:29,35 --> 00:06:32,44 done due diligence. After 60 00:06:32,45 --> 00:06:36,97 a phase one and phase to environmental assessed assessment which required 61 00:06:37,96 --> 00:06:44,43 mitigation of contaminated soil from the gas station and doing as best as 62 00:06:44,44 --> 00:06:51,33 abatement as well. The applicant presented an initial flight 63 00:06:51,34 --> 00:06:57,81 plan and building design at that hearing for 64 00:06:58,10 --> 00:07:00,14 review H.B.C. 65 00:07:00,15 --> 00:07:05,08 Had comments on the site design the Bill of building design and awful building 66 00:07:05,09 --> 00:07:11,93 material and after going back to the drawing board they are ready 67 00:07:11,94 --> 00:07:18,66 to present a revised site plan and revised building plan for age P.C.S. 68 00:07:18,99 --> 00:07:25,41 Review and approval and the site plan. As you can 69 00:07:25,42 --> 00:07:31,48 see the building has been shifted closer to west William Street 70 00:07:32,31 --> 00:07:38,34 as H P C has adjusted and the grass has been 71 00:07:38,81 --> 00:07:45,06 moved to the foot nor the northern section of the site with that opening 72 00:07:45,39 --> 00:07:47,81 onto a driveway and 73 00:07:47,82 --> 00:07:54,15 a parking lot on that and. The the building will remain 74 00:07:54,39 --> 00:07:59,68 situated on the East Side heard the west side of the property with the existing 75 00:07:59,69 --> 00:08:02,47 parking lot remaining intact 76 00:08:06,66 --> 00:08:12,96 on the south. Which is considered the side elevation that papers and West William 77 00:08:12,97 --> 00:08:19,54 Street. The applicant elected to maintain cable 78 00:08:19,55 --> 00:08:25,65 style roof. The facade will be an primarily brick. 79 00:08:26,94 --> 00:08:32,27 With the vertical concrete on board siting on the exposed gable end. 80 00:08:33,75 --> 00:08:40,71 The windows themselves will be wood aluminum clad windows in black 81 00:08:41,63 --> 00:08:48,36 and you can see the verticality with the height being in the 82 00:08:48,37 --> 00:08:54,98 Highers and the sides being mirror as described in the architectural 83 00:08:54,99 --> 00:08:59,29 standards. There will be 84 00:08:59,33 --> 00:09:06,24 a balcony. As proposed and there will 85 00:09:06,25 --> 00:09:06,75 be 86 00:09:06,79 --> 00:09:13,34 a structure of structural columns that will be supporting that bell and this will 87 00:09:13,35 --> 00:09:13,99 create 88 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:21,99 a covered porch directly underneath and the balcony and. First 89 00:09:21,100 --> 00:09:28,88 Floor entry doors on will be double doors and the applicant understands that 90 00:09:28,92 --> 00:09:30,57 that the doors need to be 91 00:09:30,61 --> 00:09:37,33 a minimum 50 percent glass maximum 75 percent glass and just 3 doors 92 00:09:37,34 --> 00:09:43,93 down at 18 West William Street there is an existing building with with 93 00:09:43,94 --> 00:09:50,85 a very similar do you sign and this is. The $820.00 collective 94 00:09:50,96 --> 00:09:57,64 cares on. On the south or on the east 95 00:09:57,79 --> 00:10:04,55 which is the front elevation facing north Franklin Street. Again 96 00:10:04,56 --> 00:10:11,53 the. The facade is you know probably primarily prick. The 97 00:10:11,54 --> 00:10:15,88 gable roof will have black asphalt shingles. 98 00:10:17,90 --> 00:10:22,16 The on NG What was mislabeled as 99 00:10:22,57 --> 00:10:25,42 a canopy but it was always intended to be 100 00:10:25,43 --> 00:10:32,06 a shed type morning. The. There 101 00:10:32,16 --> 00:10:38,22 and there will be horizontal so. Cement fiber 102 00:10:38,41 --> 00:10:45,33 siding in in between the the the 2 brick facades and 103 00:10:45,34 --> 00:10:52,22 you can see off to the north. The exterior stairway you know 104 00:10:52,23 --> 00:10:59,13 has been tucked away in the back in the northwest corner of the property and 105 00:10:59,14 --> 00:11:06,08 underneath the stairway. The trash receptacles will be behind and 106 00:11:06,09 --> 00:11:12,82 closure. Of the West or the rear 107 00:11:12,83 --> 00:11:17,27 elevation on that faces the Willis education center parking lot. 108 00:11:19,59 --> 00:11:25,91 Dude due to cost. The applicant is proposing 109 00:11:26,19 --> 00:11:33,03 a horizontal concrete board siding with 4 windows on the 2nd story to 110 00:11:33,04 --> 00:11:37,36 break up the math now this mall will need to be 111 00:11:37,37 --> 00:11:44,08 a fire rated wall and so no penetrations are 112 00:11:44,09 --> 00:11:50,67 allowed per code and so that that's why that thought the windows do do need to 113 00:11:50,68 --> 00:11:55,38 be you know follow you know non operational windows 114 00:11:58,20 --> 00:12:04,45 on the newer side which is considered the side elevation as well this is facing the 115 00:12:04,46 --> 00:12:10,87 former residential dwelling units you know converting that have been converted to 116 00:12:10,88 --> 00:12:17,01 office use. This is where the entry to the gradual be. 117 00:12:18,30 --> 00:12:18,97 There will be 118 00:12:19,01 --> 00:12:25,36 a vertical concrete board siting on the gable and I end on the horizontal concrete 119 00:12:25,37 --> 00:12:31,63 board siting on the remainder of the facade with ash fall shingles. 120 00:12:32,72 --> 00:12:39,44 The stairway up to the 2nd floor will be stained wood and 121 00:12:39,65 --> 00:12:41,49 with the entry door being 122 00:12:41,50 --> 00:12:49,46 a 50 percent glass and also with with and on. And 123 00:12:49,47 --> 00:12:54,46 then some of the proposed materials and I believe that the architect also he has 124 00:12:54,47 --> 00:13:01,41 samples to show as well the brick will be of red brick the proposed 125 00:13:01,42 --> 00:13:08,32 paint for the siding will be deep navy blue the shingles will be an 126 00:13:08,33 --> 00:13:14,89 architectural shingle in the lack the grad door is proposed to be 127 00:13:14,90 --> 00:13:20,96 a carriage house style. The North elevation entry door on to the 128 00:13:21,26 --> 00:13:27,32 apartment will be that 50 percent glass and this is next is the 129 00:13:27,36 --> 00:13:33,19 example of the balcony railing and the covered porch underneath 130 00:13:36,51 --> 00:13:43,49 now the east elevation entry doors these will be the double doors that that face 131 00:13:43,50 --> 00:13:46,02 William Street. This is 132 00:13:46,03 --> 00:13:52,39 a concept does the projecting sign which will be going on the business answer and 133 00:13:52,40 --> 00:13:59,37 sign entrance. Than Your Frank North Franklin Street side 134 00:14:00,30 --> 00:14:06,96 and example of the exterior light fixtures and an example of the wood 135 00:14:07,00 --> 00:14:13,89 aluminum clad windows. And then the awnings of the awning materials the 136 00:14:13,90 --> 00:14:18,28 applicant is preferring metal on but not as 137 00:14:18,29 --> 00:14:22,68 a 1st choice and as 2nd choice would would be 138 00:14:22,69 --> 00:14:29,20 a tot of fabric I'm shed type on me and I was able to find an example. 139 00:14:30,69 --> 00:14:34,14 Of of the fabric on things in this particular 140 00:14:38,92 --> 00:14:45,61 . And then these are photographs of the 141 00:14:45,65 --> 00:14:52,33 interior condition of the property again to support the need for 142 00:14:52,34 --> 00:14:53,34 demolition. 143 00:15:04,12 --> 00:15:09,96 To get back to the drawings here and. 144 00:15:22,02 --> 00:15:25,93 The 1st task evaluation 145 00:15:29,04 --> 00:15:35,55 of the applicant has been taken into consideration on the comments made 146 00:15:35,90 --> 00:15:37,30 by each P.C. 147 00:15:37,50 --> 00:15:44,49 At the previous meeting. And you know in terms of 148 00:15:44,50 --> 00:15:50,85 demolition again there's enough physical evidence to sort of support the 149 00:15:50,86 --> 00:15:56,37 demolition of the building and according to Section 150 00:15:56,41 --> 00:16:03,02 1190.07 regarding demolition within the historic district. 151 00:16:05,50 --> 00:16:11,27 There are 2 conditions that should prevail in order to issue 152 00:16:11,28 --> 00:16:17,88 a certificate of appropriateness for demolition and the 1st is the structure 153 00:16:17,89 --> 00:16:24,59 contains no features of architectural or historic significance and the 2nd 154 00:16:25,13 --> 00:16:31,15 is there exists no reasonable economic use for the structure as is exists or it may 155 00:16:31,16 --> 00:16:37,39 be restored and that there exist no feasible and prudent alternatives to demolition 156 00:16:38,05 --> 00:16:42,58 or that deterioration has progressed to the point where it is not economically 157 00:16:42,59 --> 00:16:48,51 feasible to restore the structure and staff offers that both conditions 158 00:16:48,99 --> 00:16:55,67 described above always prevail in this case and 159 00:16:55,79 --> 00:17:00,85 at this point you know that the building itself you know is considered an intrusion 160 00:17:01,26 --> 00:17:07,18 on the sets or fabric of the historic district in terms of 161 00:17:07,23 --> 00:17:13,70 reconstruction. You know as mentioned. In 162 00:17:14,09 --> 00:17:20,03 this in those applicants and the architects have taken into account you know the 163 00:17:20,04 --> 00:17:26,98 comments made and this is the. 3rd appearance of the applicant 164 00:17:26,99 --> 00:17:28,30 before each P.C. 165 00:17:28,31 --> 00:17:33,63 So this is showing soon and then you know too you know design 166 00:17:33,64 --> 00:17:40,56 a building that that blends well in the historic district. And 167 00:17:40,57 --> 00:17:45,51 the building has been moved south with which actually created 168 00:17:45,52 --> 00:17:51,75 a more viable use of that property. The 169 00:17:51,97 --> 00:17:56,25 suggestion also provides adequate space for 170 00:17:56,74 --> 00:18:03,10 a driveway and parking lot. With the grads door on opening up to the north side. 171 00:18:05,20 --> 00:18:11,07 The entrance to the 1st floor commercial space will front north Franken Street 172 00:18:11,65 --> 00:18:18,50 and the commercial unit will retain that existing parking area as 173 00:18:18,85 --> 00:18:25,21 approved by the city engineering department and we had talked about 174 00:18:25,77 --> 00:18:31,77 the West elevation wall being a fire wall and so they have requires 175 00:18:31,78 --> 00:18:37,76 a 2 hour fire rating which does not allow for any openings or 176 00:18:38,10 --> 00:18:43,93 penetration. As building construction 177 00:18:44,31 --> 00:18:51,20 costs and actual site conditions no progress on the applicant indicated that 178 00:18:51,21 --> 00:18:58,14 she is willing to investigate brick or concrete Earline stone puts. On 179 00:18:58,15 --> 00:19:04,77 the elevation and the applicant understands that change in material would 180 00:19:04,78 --> 00:19:07,92 require another appearance before a P.C. 181 00:19:08,44 --> 00:19:15,35 Or administrative approval and at this point you know there's there's 182 00:19:15,36 --> 00:19:22,24 a 10 foot high chain link fence you know that borders the parking lot 183 00:19:22,25 --> 00:19:28,65 so with with the word sighting at this time you know that fence would provide some 184 00:19:28,90 --> 00:19:35,87 screaming you know to to that particular material. And in terms of overall 185 00:19:35,88 --> 00:19:42,47 building form regarding facade materials and the roof line to sign. 186 00:19:43,99 --> 00:19:50,30 And when looking at the surrounding properties. Staff finds that the streets 187 00:19:50,75 --> 00:19:52,32 streetscape is comprise 188 00:19:52,33 --> 00:19:59,08 a building with brick and also brick with wood siding facades and the 189 00:19:59,09 --> 00:20:01,03 Africans building will have 190 00:20:01,04 --> 00:20:07,72 a facade of prior primarily brick on the street sides and which are the most Buel 191 00:20:07,73 --> 00:20:14,36 Bowl elevations of the building and the the 192 00:20:14,55 --> 00:20:21,51 north side you know is in the screened by the properties next door and 193 00:20:21,52 --> 00:20:25,31 as I mentioned the West I just screamed by by that tingly. 194 00:20:30,37 --> 00:20:36,52 And in regards to the roofline. Again taking 195 00:20:36,53 --> 00:20:40,50 a look at the surrounding historic streetscape it's 196 00:20:40,51 --> 00:20:47,36 a combination of flat rubes hip grooves and Gable grooves and the 197 00:20:47,58 --> 00:20:51,86 materials vary from the rubber E.P. 198 00:20:52,55 --> 00:20:59,37 Materials to gash all metal and Slate and so the Presidential component 199 00:20:59,41 --> 00:21:06,26 of the mixed use of this property and the site acting as the North Franklin 200 00:21:06,27 --> 00:21:12,71 Street gateway to the. A national register Northwest 201 00:21:12,72 --> 00:21:18,55 historic district. This prompted the the applicant to 202 00:21:18,94 --> 00:21:19,77 design 203 00:21:20,22 --> 00:21:25,69 a gable style roof you know officially with the 2nd former being residential. 204 00:21:27,42 --> 00:21:33,92 And so this type of roofing how come complements the residential use in the mixed 205 00:21:33,93 --> 00:21:39,49 use building as well as the nearby residential homes which have been converted to 206 00:21:40,15 --> 00:21:47,03 commercial use and again for. Economic reasons 207 00:21:47,04 --> 00:21:53,70 the applicant is electing to install the ashfall architectural shingles 208 00:21:54,54 --> 00:22:00,58 and at this time this material it is more affordable than other alternatives that 209 00:22:00,66 --> 00:22:07,62 were suggested and again this is material that is also present 210 00:22:07,66 --> 00:22:14,59 on other buildings that are nearby and so there are certain sites 211 00:22:14,60 --> 00:22:16,86 and design features that would require 212 00:22:16,90 --> 00:22:23,41 a variance for new construction in the transitional subdistricts you know should H 213 00:22:23,42 --> 00:22:29,39 P C choose to grant them and the applicant indicated that the site and building 214 00:22:29,40 --> 00:22:34,09 proposal have been proposed to conform to 215 00:22:34,10 --> 00:22:40,06 a pro-forma that has been prepared for the property and so at this time no 216 00:22:40,10 --> 00:22:46,56 reasonable alternative of would exist. For substantial changes in the proposed 217 00:22:47,06 --> 00:22:53,50 design and cereals and felt that this would warrant the base of it to grant all the 218 00:22:54,00 --> 00:22:59,09 variants of that would be needed. And. 219 00:23:02,00 --> 00:23:08,46 So at this time if the architect was like the hall for really great go. 220 00:23:09,51 --> 00:23:15,80 Out with. The architect. When he would commission the 1st question. 221 00:23:17,72 --> 00:23:24,37 What what exactly are the individual variances I mean there's demolition but 222 00:23:24,57 --> 00:23:31,38 what are the authors of the the the demolition what went right to it that would not 223 00:23:31,39 --> 00:23:38,03 be of the area and. That it would be one part of the park request. 224 00:23:39,16 --> 00:23:45,48 Of variance this isn't the transitional subdistricts 225 00:23:46,14 --> 00:23:53,02 and typically the that the architectural standards called for the horizontal 226 00:23:53,03 --> 00:23:59,94 roof line. And in looking through the standards you know that it's 227 00:23:59,95 --> 00:24:05,07 predominantly for commercial building so refined why and what are the other ones 228 00:24:05,48 --> 00:24:12,12 it's not at all brick facade is that another it's right because it is as primarily 229 00:24:12,20 --> 00:24:17,83 brick and that the sides that do have brick are primarily Perec But then we have 230 00:24:17,84 --> 00:24:24,73 the 2 elevations they have the siding but the the west elevation 231 00:24:25,72 --> 00:24:32,58 will eventually you know be changed to 2 the brick or stone here all right 232 00:24:32,80 --> 00:24:38,68 and those are those the 2 primary ones. Are there any other that I'm not that those 233 00:24:38,69 --> 00:24:43,85 2 is right the building materials and the roof I guess are the metre right but the 234 00:24:43,86 --> 00:24:50,20 major ones. And. Again because we're introducing the presidential 235 00:24:50,21 --> 00:24:54,33 aspect while the the transitional. 236 00:24:56,80 --> 00:25:01,45 Standards they they tend to lean more towards 237 00:25:01,46 --> 00:25:08,11 a purely commercial Bill. But because we are introducing the residential aspect 238 00:25:08,17 --> 00:25:11,77 and and because this is essential a vote the gateway to 239 00:25:11,78 --> 00:25:17,55 a historic residential neighborhood this building design would certainly be 240 00:25:17,56 --> 00:25:22,81 appropriate and would not be tracked from the historic papper act of 241 00:25:22,82 --> 00:25:29,40 a historic district just you know comment on that thing do you think about the 242 00:25:29,41 --> 00:25:31,51 bowels. As 243 00:25:31,55 --> 00:25:37,46 a side and believe it's been there the better part you know maybe not 244 00:25:37,47 --> 00:25:43,16 a couple of years pretty close. Some of the original buildings on Sandusky if you 245 00:25:43,17 --> 00:25:50,14 look back to some pictures. There were some. Things you know I I think 246 00:25:50,15 --> 00:25:50,35 that's 247 00:25:50,36 --> 00:25:57,75 a. Good point. And then the most recent new construction 248 00:25:58,15 --> 00:26:01,03 project that was approved by on page P.C. 249 00:26:01,04 --> 00:26:07,09 Was poor team was William which is you know the front to the side is the cement 250 00:26:07,13 --> 00:26:11,49 fiber board and it also has it actually has 251 00:26:11,53 --> 00:26:18,44 a sloped roof line rather than flat so the SO opinion but but that worked for 252 00:26:18,45 --> 00:26:24,07 that particular site and so that design work well for the particular 253 00:26:26,91 --> 00:26:33,54 any other questions. With the applicant like to. 254 00:26:37,32 --> 00:26:40,30 The home and. Or. 255 00:27:14,17 --> 00:27:19,33 Hero issues if you could in Paris there are other duties on the day your days as 256 00:27:19,34 --> 00:27:24,78 your. Residential addresses her home yet. 257 00:27:27,87 --> 00:27:30,28 Jeff Brady 6 Arlington Road Delaware. 258 00:27:35,22 --> 00:27:41,91 Here. Well 259 00:27:41,95 --> 00:27:47,67 1st of all I really appreciate you coming yet again this time with the actual 260 00:27:47,73 --> 00:27:53,98 formal application but again that is no that this is the 3rd time that you. Know 261 00:27:54,07 --> 00:28:00,04 you've come here to preside your project that we do appreciate the time vast it as 262 00:28:00,05 --> 00:28:05,36 well as. Your willingness to. Take 263 00:28:05,37 --> 00:28:12,36 a look at the stand or take our feedback and come back again with the revised 264 00:28:13,20 --> 00:28:19,64 bill so. That they think that we we feel the same way the input from you all. 265 00:28:21,33 --> 00:28:27,99 We. Tweaked our plan. For this but. 266 00:28:29,96 --> 00:28:34,50 So you heard the staff presentation is there anything that you would like to add to 267 00:28:34,51 --> 00:28:41,28 that anything you would like to expand on from staffs that I think it's good 268 00:28:41,29 --> 00:28:44,38 to read to thank Diane as she continues to do 269 00:28:44,39 --> 00:28:50,07 a workable job and her. Group. To work. 270 00:28:51,52 --> 00:28:57,13 With world leaders. In the information is spot on 271 00:28:59,41 --> 00:28:59,75 and is 272 00:28:59,76 --> 00:29:12,09 a great job of summarizing her condition of the property and there are. 2 273 00:29:12,10 --> 00:29:18,98 commission members have questions for the applicant I think the brain looks 274 00:29:18,99 --> 00:29:24,12 really nice. I think you went back to the drawing board and really need 275 00:29:24,13 --> 00:29:30,44 a life the face you. Think you made it work better for you. 276 00:29:32,09 --> 00:29:32,51 There's been 277 00:29:32,52 --> 00:29:40,12 a lot of time and it think it would. Make you think you. You 278 00:29:40,13 --> 00:29:45,60 know I certainly echo those comments that you guys came back with. A 279 00:29:46,57 --> 00:29:53,57 markedly. Different I mean you know basically improved proposals so 280 00:29:53,58 --> 00:29:58,65 they project back that you did listen to the employer and I think you know that 281 00:29:58,66 --> 00:29:59,16 shows 282 00:29:59,17 --> 00:30:05,74 a real. Earnest effort to take that information and Corporate it into the 283 00:30:05,75 --> 00:30:07,74 design I do have 284 00:30:08,01 --> 00:30:14,74 a couple thoughts or comments that I'd like to. Touch on. Then would it be possible 285 00:30:14,75 --> 00:30:19,62 to. Show the the west and north elevation. 286 00:30:23,02 --> 00:30:28,37 One. That's flying out in the packet is on one page got spy hope. 287 00:30:29,87 --> 00:30:35,67 First of all I get an overall I was really when I open the pack and look to us that 288 00:30:35,68 --> 00:30:39,79 we personally I thought this was an absolutely you know. 289 00:30:44,37 --> 00:30:50,80 Much much better design and much more compatible with the standards and overall 290 00:30:50,81 --> 00:30:52,68 again I think you guys have done 291 00:30:52,69 --> 00:30:59,44 a really good job take never make and applying it to the project one of the things 292 00:30:59,45 --> 00:31:06,33 that catches my eye and it's something that you really don't see and you know. This 293 00:31:06,33 --> 00:31:11,85 . The surrounding buildings in the historic area is the transition and I and I 294 00:31:11,86 --> 00:31:18,50 understand. What's driving it as far as the the brick facade on 295 00:31:18,54 --> 00:31:24,87 the south side and then transitioning to the clappers on the north side and then on 296 00:31:24,88 --> 00:31:28,63 the west side it's the same treatment and to me as kind of 297 00:31:28,64 --> 00:31:34,78 a it's really it's jarring transition and again I understand what's driving that in 298 00:31:34,79 --> 00:31:39,21 terms of the design the economics of not doing 299 00:31:39,22 --> 00:31:45,80 a 100 percent correct. And I also understand the. The 300 00:31:45,81 --> 00:31:52,56 attempt to. Incorporate brick building materials which is 301 00:31:52,57 --> 00:31:56,36 favored by the standards but to me it just is such enjoy are 302 00:31:56,37 --> 00:32:00,10 a contrast and it's definitely not 303 00:32:00,11 --> 00:32:06,86 a historic looking transition. That's probably the biggest thing that 304 00:32:06,87 --> 00:32:12,55 catches my eye that causes me concern and I did hear that there that eventually the 305 00:32:12,56 --> 00:32:18,63 idea is on the West elevation is to. Convert that to bring down the road or that I 306 00:32:19,22 --> 00:32:20,50 thought I heard that it was asked. 307 00:32:26,83 --> 00:32:33,65 Yeah. Yeah you know from my standpoint the original 308 00:32:33,66 --> 00:32:39,96 design was basically I don't recall that there was any written that I wonder if you 309 00:32:39,97 --> 00:32:44,80 just if you flip to the Franklin Street elevation such as the east elevation. 310 00:32:53,52 --> 00:32:57,39 So you know I I see that you know you've got 311 00:32:57,40 --> 00:33:02,62 a brick flanking on the on the 2 wings and then the central part is clabbered and I 312 00:33:02,63 --> 00:33:04,08 guess one thought I have 313 00:33:04,09 --> 00:33:08,64 a question and I'm not sure how 5 yards of that having the brick on the wings but 314 00:33:08,68 --> 00:33:09,65 if you were to have 315 00:33:09,66 --> 00:33:16,15 a brick on the the center portion and then collaborate on wings because that is 316 00:33:16,45 --> 00:33:19,40 from the 2 wings it would look like I think 317 00:33:19,41 --> 00:33:25,92 a fairly. Normal. Use of 318 00:33:25,93 --> 00:33:32,89 materials and it would to again I think to me though it would do essentially take 319 00:33:32,90 --> 00:33:37,86 care of that issue of the transition where the facade wraps around and transitions 320 00:33:37,87 --> 00:33:43,56 from the brick to the Claverton I guess my question to you is. Is having the brick 321 00:33:43,57 --> 00:33:49,68 on the wings versus the central portion of that Saddam is that something that is. 322 00:33:51,39 --> 00:33:56,25 You know how important do you have to design and kind of one of the things that 323 00:33:56,26 --> 00:34:00,98 happened is that the prime become part of the wing as a kind of 324 00:34:00,99 --> 00:34:04,88 a find so I and I understand that but again I think you know based on and I 325 00:34:04,89 --> 00:34:10,59 understand again that you know the African was striving to meet that that part of 326 00:34:10,60 --> 00:34:15,26 the standards that encourages So you're right aside but I think again based on the 327 00:34:15,27 --> 00:34:16,29 fact that it is in 328 00:34:16,30 --> 00:34:21,52 a transitional area I think you know the in the previous iteration of the famous I 329 00:34:21,53 --> 00:34:27,63 didn't like about the original design life the verticality of the lower floors but 330 00:34:27,64 --> 00:34:33,97 here you've got the boards on all flappers which is historic and you know it's 331 00:34:33,98 --> 00:34:34,50 a basically 332 00:34:34,51 --> 00:34:39,19 a building material that has precedent in the historic district so to me that 333 00:34:39,20 --> 00:34:43,96 wouldn't be as jarring as in the original design where you have you know 334 00:34:43,97 --> 00:34:50,07 essentially we're back on the 1st and 2nd floors. Well. 335 00:34:51,59 --> 00:34:55,54 Right right you know and I appreciate that and I salute you now but again I think. 336 00:34:56,97 --> 00:35:03,62 That. I'm way speaking as one commission member but I 337 00:35:03,63 --> 00:35:09,33 think that would to me that would probably that me that would take care of what you 338 00:35:09,37 --> 00:35:11,90 write most jarring aspect of things on. 339 00:35:16,52 --> 00:35:21,11 Your you know and I and I appreciate there's certainly appreciate so I've And I 340 00:35:21,12 --> 00:35:27,24 don't know all the other commission members feel about that. I think it looks great 341 00:35:27,68 --> 00:35:34,37 I don't see that as joining. With If it was just one white bread 342 00:35:34,72 --> 00:35:39,01 but I intentionally rapping with you better more like 343 00:35:39,05 --> 00:35:42,95 a good father I you know I think it was certainly I think it was I think it would 344 00:35:42,96 --> 00:35:48,73 be better. Just 345 00:35:50,71 --> 00:35:56,30 because you know they're kind of how buildings are and all downtown I. 346 00:35:59,57 --> 00:36:06,39 Think. Live my upright back and that better than I can be I 347 00:36:06,40 --> 00:36:11,62 could back idly you know we would ideally want it all right I mean we started there 348 00:36:11,63 --> 00:36:13,27 and then our building got bigger and I'm like 349 00:36:14,15 --> 00:36:19,44 a sack of hermit business performance right so at the last meeting I don't know 350 00:36:19,45 --> 00:36:20,85 percentage wise so it's not 351 00:36:20,86 --> 00:36:28,79 a lot for it and then me so. I don't. You 352 00:36:28,80 --> 00:36:30,89 know I just beginners want commissions and I know 353 00:36:30,90 --> 00:36:37,41 a lot of well you know large number 9 and. I wasn't here at the last meeting when 354 00:36:37,42 --> 00:36:44,04 the proposal was made the past. Week I kind of like my job even with the middle 355 00:36:44,05 --> 00:36:46,45 person being frank. I was 356 00:36:46,46 --> 00:36:49,93 a here at the 1st meeting OK so I didn't get to see that original I mean 357 00:36:49,94 --> 00:36:52,05 a solid but no group especially and I was 358 00:36:52,06 --> 00:36:57,01 a part of that and I think it would actually look better in the middle of well I 359 00:36:57,05 --> 00:37:01,07 think every kind of make the building look 360 00:37:01,08 --> 00:37:07,41 a little bit bigger to twist the and being more perfectly than the bright. 361 00:37:08,95 --> 00:37:15,86 But anyway that's my opinion. So how are you playing on the side but 362 00:37:16,51 --> 00:37:23,38 Melville Yeah. You are like all these really 363 00:37:23,39 --> 00:37:27,09 everywhere else I mean right just basically the horizontal already played 364 00:37:27,15 --> 00:37:31,06 everywhere except the present and on. And. 365 00:37:37,51 --> 00:37:39,98 On that corner and I've spent 366 00:37:39,99 --> 00:37:43,78 a lot of time standing on that corner daydreaming about this project for 2 years 367 00:37:43,79 --> 00:37:44,70 but there is 368 00:37:44,71 --> 00:37:49,88 a lot of great around there you know so you know I originally we were thinking 369 00:37:49,97 --> 00:37:53,73 brick we've got to go and break everyone everyone else like break and then I think 370 00:37:53,80 --> 00:37:55,59 once we the building grew into 371 00:37:55,60 --> 00:38:01,14 a 2 story and then even bigger to strike you know the money that you know have to 372 00:38:01,18 --> 00:38:06,83 work that the business partner had to work so. That's mainly the reason why we 373 00:38:06,84 --> 00:38:12,50 switched back things. I don't want their money and I think there's 374 00:38:12,51 --> 00:38:14,94 a lot of information on there or yeah 375 00:38:15,08 --> 00:38:20,43 a lot but being in that corner it will be it will be one of the only brick 376 00:38:20,44 --> 00:38:27,07 buildings like right there for sure and you know. And I'm around maybe you know I 377 00:38:27,08 --> 00:38:34,03 have. In I bring great. Me to church you know and 378 00:38:34,04 --> 00:38:38,44 that's kind of why even I chose the career that we chose I wanted to choose 379 00:38:38,45 --> 00:38:42,71 something I like that something that would match the brick that I do like to. 380 00:38:44,39 --> 00:38:46,39 Giving up a date that was 381 00:38:46,40 --> 00:38:52,21 a present but that this is one of the option to go on the condo fire the fire walk 382 00:38:52,22 --> 00:38:58,11 to the concrete block color concrete Yeah and actually that was one of the I mean 383 00:38:58,12 --> 00:39:02,62 and you know I don't recall the the color but I know when we were looking at the 384 00:39:02,63 --> 00:39:06,26 previous There was no the other thing that was around of 385 00:39:06,27 --> 00:39:11,70 a nonstarter. But this this with kind of address that issue though that you would 386 00:39:11,87 --> 00:39:18,86 have to start colors. Yeah but it again and I think you know the the consensus 387 00:39:18,87 --> 00:39:24,06 of time was when there was an informal review but I think the consensus was that it 388 00:39:24,07 --> 00:39:24,31 is 389 00:39:24,32 --> 00:39:31,40 a very you know large elevation and very visible elevation and it was 390 00:39:31,41 --> 00:39:33,87 basically a basketball court or 391 00:39:33,88 --> 00:39:40,22 a playground adjacent to it so does the company Ellen the I think you know I mean. 392 00:39:41,88 --> 00:39:47,26 Me personally I would not I would not approve of you know the color blocks. 393 00:39:49,00 --> 00:39:55,32 But yeah I think that that that we 1st. Rights workers and we had our standing in 394 00:39:55,33 --> 00:40:02,13 this city. I think the West 395 00:40:02,14 --> 00:40:07,20 elevation worked out well the way it's defined I think the siding of the club is OK 396 00:40:07,21 --> 00:40:11,52 it's acceptable the SO window openings with the. 397 00:40:13,85 --> 00:40:17,56 Shutter making fans I don't think that you need to go 398 00:40:17,87 --> 00:40:23,19 a lot I think that where. Unless for some reason you wanted to but I don't know 399 00:40:23,20 --> 00:40:28,46 that you need I really it's going to come down to cause I'm you know I mean 400 00:40:28,47 --> 00:40:35,03 everything needs to be approved but. I don't know if. There's an elevation 401 00:40:35,04 --> 00:40:40,47 difference probably I would take at least 3 feet there you know I mean it hit right 402 00:40:40,52 --> 00:40:45,38 right right like that so I don't know who the next person that's on that property 403 00:40:45,39 --> 00:40:49,21 that how they are you know tension they could to get out and make an entrance from 404 00:40:49,41 --> 00:40:55,68 my family and you know by. That time place we agree to 405 00:40:56,69 --> 00:41:02,98 make the other changes and it would save costs there possibly back to the site you 406 00:41:02,99 --> 00:41:09,61 know. With my I mean you know I know. It's not 407 00:41:09,62 --> 00:41:11,98 a good material stores. 408 00:41:16,64 --> 00:41:22,68 Which fill them with vinyl is not what Motown way Will. Look like I'm going in and 409 00:41:22,69 --> 00:41:27,71 I will now get with another one and I well know what series I have I will I say I 410 00:41:27,72 --> 00:41:34,67 wasn't here when that one was approved by I was not aware. As it has I recall 411 00:41:34,68 --> 00:41:35,70 that was because that was 412 00:41:35,71 --> 00:41:41,81 a little teeny one when. You thought OK I'm sorry I'm talking on the side I think I 413 00:41:41,81 --> 00:41:48,79 . Lost you know I didn't go looking for the original break because our 414 00:41:49,55 --> 00:41:56,51 door. To. This is 415 00:41:56,52 --> 00:42:02,84 I'm sure you know like smoke. So we try to really 416 00:42:03,13 --> 00:42:09,86 fast. And. So 417 00:42:10,23 --> 00:42:17,12 we. Well I guess you know I'm confused the you know the Africa 418 00:42:17,82 --> 00:42:23,01 package that was presented to that indicating I know but now it sounds like. 419 00:42:24,20 --> 00:42:28,93 They're not aware not having their my heart yeah yeah I mean I when I was No I mean 420 00:42:28,94 --> 00:42:31,73 me personally I wouldn't go provide I mean it's it is 421 00:42:31,74 --> 00:42:36,09 a very visible. Currently there's you know there's 422 00:42:36,10 --> 00:42:41,69 a very low one story building that is not very visible but this is going to be 423 00:42:41,73 --> 00:42:42,20 basically 424 00:42:42,21 --> 00:42:48,32 a 2 story building that is going to be quite visible. From you know if you're 425 00:42:48,33 --> 00:42:53,72 coming down the way and street. And there to their offices side of the building I. 426 00:42:55,20 --> 00:42:58,69 Think you want to add another measure of how high the plank on one side and I on 427 00:42:58,70 --> 00:43:04,37 the other medical discrepancy I got that are. 428 00:43:08,33 --> 00:43:11,34 On a standby have middel they get out all the time they have 429 00:43:11,35 --> 00:43:16,76 a hard place on the front with final lighting on the sides and repairs. To because 430 00:43:16,77 --> 00:43:21,87 of the copper breaks. Down there and you know right. 431 00:43:24,39 --> 00:43:27,15 If that were you know we're in 432 00:43:27,16 --> 00:43:34,02 a very visual area of regulation. Or we're seeing. With 433 00:43:34,03 --> 00:43:37,10 a really nice anomaly garage song or so much as 434 00:43:37,11 --> 00:43:43,41 a veteran I mean it's it's differentiated. This the 435 00:43:43,75 --> 00:43:48,54 allegations are treated somewhat differently as high as obviously you know the 436 00:43:48,55 --> 00:43:52,15 height restrictions are different I mean but it's I mean they're still the 437 00:43:53,09 --> 00:43:58,17 standards are the standards and I mean that would require 438 00:43:58,18 --> 00:44:05,17 a variance to the 6 and my point is you know we're we're seeing street racing or 439 00:44:05,58 --> 00:44:12,57 street fighting. In here where you 440 00:44:12,58 --> 00:44:18,30 know where that where that middle ground where we do the. 441 00:44:20,49 --> 00:44:27,22 Question. You know that Iraq is another goal. I don't think there's 442 00:44:27,23 --> 00:44:30,49 anything in your drawing that we have X. 443 00:44:31,23 --> 00:44:36,00 That we don't like I think they're just opinions but when you bring up I don't tell 444 00:44:36,01 --> 00:44:41,26 you nothing completely new thing that's not in the package. So that becomes 445 00:44:41,90 --> 00:44:46,35 a whole different conversation you know it doesn't slow this down right in that the 446 00:44:46,60 --> 00:44:53,31 real. Human Right so so over the years of this question of well I 447 00:44:53,32 --> 00:44:59,61 guess you know I mean you know using my medal to. 448 00:45:00,69 --> 00:45:05,59 You know altering You know the breath these are the bread that I was when actually 449 00:45:05,60 --> 00:45:07,81 it sounds like save you some money so if you do 450 00:45:07,82 --> 00:45:12,91 a stronghold you know how the other commissioners you know feel that I was helping 451 00:45:12,92 --> 00:45:17,00 or not I don't I think that would be you know that's the it would be an economic. 452 00:45:18,33 --> 00:45:23,37 Benefit to you so when mitigate some of the cost and me I think is that it really 453 00:45:23,38 --> 00:45:28,36 it would actually look better. Than having those 2 transitions where the brick 454 00:45:28,37 --> 00:45:32,86 wraps around. But I think if you're going to introduce 455 00:45:33,13 --> 00:45:37,11 a significantly different materials such as why no society then it you know that's 456 00:45:37,60 --> 00:45:44,56 a completely different application and. You know drawings I mean it's just 457 00:45:44,83 --> 00:45:49,31 that that's different to what you presented in your application and I understand 458 00:45:49,32 --> 00:45:54,71 that my question is where we go here with Well I think we're trying to get to the 459 00:45:54,72 --> 00:45:57,20 point where about when we get to 460 00:45:57,21 --> 00:46:02,01 a vote I mean I think that's all smelly The goal is to try and get to 461 00:46:02,02 --> 00:46:08,20 a point where we can. Fire you know basically discuss the application and. 462 00:46:09,23 --> 00:46:14,11 Any questions concerns that commission members have and then get to 463 00:46:14,12 --> 00:46:20,83 a point where we know what your what your guess. Your 464 00:46:21,21 --> 00:46:26,63 final polls going to be I mean we can vote on the character as presented. You know 465 00:46:26,67 --> 00:46:31,35 and not make any changes and that's what you were. We can talk about you know are 466 00:46:31,36 --> 00:46:37,76 there other options again such as you know we're using the brick. And we can 467 00:46:37,77 --> 00:46:44,57 a corporation that kind of change and motion. And again 468 00:46:44,83 --> 00:46:49,68 the idea is you get will vote so you can walk out of here you know no we're seeing 469 00:46:51,89 --> 00:46:57,75 and is it true in the process that we could vote on this approve it you can move 470 00:46:57,76 --> 00:47:02,20 forward with your construction drawings and move forward with the project but then 471 00:47:02,24 --> 00:47:06,99 you decide that you want to switch the brick for the siding at 472 00:47:07,00 --> 00:47:12,41 a different plant it would be an application but just in terms of finishes kratom 473 00:47:12,42 --> 00:47:16,80 back adding If you could switch this sighting for this break so you would still 474 00:47:16,81 --> 00:47:23,10 have an option at. It there's 2 options and that depends on the 475 00:47:23,11 --> 00:47:26,07 magnitude of the change if it's 476 00:47:26,08 --> 00:47:30,93 a major change then you would be asked to come back before the Commission if it's 477 00:47:31,16 --> 00:47:37,99 a minor change then we would do and administrative approval where. I would send 478 00:47:38,00 --> 00:47:40,75 your submission directly to the each P.C. 479 00:47:40,76 --> 00:47:45,24 Chairman and the planing director for approval. 480 00:47:49,96 --> 00:47:50,30 I have 481 00:47:50,34 --> 00:47:57,05 a couple things one. I like the bricks that are on the 482 00:47:57,06 --> 00:48:02,60 wing because the front and that corner are. 483 00:48:05,24 --> 00:48:10,88 The focal point there the the face of the building and brick is in my mind brick is 484 00:48:10,98 --> 00:48:15,05 a focal plane is the body of the building as opposed to 485 00:48:15,06 --> 00:48:19,22 a transition I see the metal part of the transition piece so that would be 486 00:48:19,23 --> 00:48:23,98 a secondary material to me I think maybe the break in the siding is going to be 487 00:48:24,56 --> 00:48:24,91 almost 488 00:48:24,92 --> 00:48:31,89 a personal choice and I think that maybe we allow flexibility in 489 00:48:31,90 --> 00:48:38,61 terms of if this is approved and then make the change then that becomes 490 00:48:38,62 --> 00:48:39,87 administrators and would be 491 00:48:39,88 --> 00:48:45,93 a minor change because we've all watched the errors or not I did asking in terms of 492 00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:51,55 yeah yeah I mean it sounds like. You know I mean I 493 00:48:53,20 --> 00:48:58,26 I guess I would defer to the OP again you know with the my my thought on that I'm 494 00:48:58,27 --> 00:49:00,100 sure a good structure emotion and such 495 00:49:01,01 --> 00:49:07,36 a way that she does either Where does that work or is that complicated. To do you 496 00:49:07,37 --> 00:49:13,44 have a color rendering of the plane you know why don't you take 497 00:49:13,45 --> 00:49:19,92 a look at that because that if you mentions this is the elevation that 498 00:49:20,02 --> 00:49:26,60 faces the street that is most visible and this is the primarily 499 00:49:26,61 --> 00:49:28,94 brick elevation. 500 00:49:33,31 --> 00:49:40,10 The Yeah. I like the break on that one I'll play I'm going to get them. Right and 501 00:49:40,11 --> 00:49:46,66 so you know and remember the words Designed repeat of you so instead of thinking 502 00:49:46,67 --> 00:49:52,18 strictly monetary only you know you also want to take into account in also the 503 00:49:52,19 --> 00:49:56,75 design and the aesthetic sun and the surrounding neighborhood and I got to actually 504 00:49:56,76 --> 00:50:03,08 clarify that I wouldn't be opposed if that's not what you wanted to do. But this is 505 00:50:03,09 --> 00:50:08,61 my preference and something that think about is that that brick has that different 506 00:50:08,62 --> 00:50:15,35 and then the fighting and fighting would be secondary to brick and I I think 507 00:50:15,77 --> 00:50:18,11 William Street elevation I mean. 508 00:50:27,87 --> 00:50:33,03 And I would end terms that transition I would I would go to one white and make it 509 00:50:33,04 --> 00:50:36,90 as neutral as possible instead of actual sensu 510 00:50:36,91 --> 00:50:43,67 a thing and. Yeah and I have that there are websites that say yes and then the 511 00:50:43,68 --> 00:50:50,55 last I read review board I went to they were all so against that. One yeah 512 00:50:51,55 --> 00:50:57,73 yeah just go by. So that the. Elevation would be as. 513 00:50:59,41 --> 00:51:04,87 Great Black with regret and. 514 00:51:09,62 --> 00:51:15,75 I don't think I heard anything I just read that transmission. On that side and I 515 00:51:15,76 --> 00:51:19,45 think with the entry door of that. As 516 00:51:19,46 --> 00:51:24,85 a place the east side of the building I think with the door and the bracket kind of 517 00:51:25,00 --> 00:51:31,65 direct people that way where that brick on the side kind of like OK you know if you 518 00:51:31,66 --> 00:51:36,16 like that should have been an entryway I'm both sides you know that's just my 519 00:51:36,17 --> 00:51:40,37 opinion and how I feel because I think that up the doors kind of just disappear 520 00:51:40,38 --> 00:51:43,85 into you have that you know all running there but I think with the bread and the 521 00:51:43,86 --> 00:51:46,36 awning the door is going to look beautiful. 522 00:51:51,39 --> 00:51:52,44 And that might be 523 00:51:53,23 --> 00:51:57,46 a double door there I haven't decided on that he said It's tough when you get 524 00:51:57,47 --> 00:52:02,63 a door with Windows on the side that essentially would be 525 00:52:02,64 --> 00:52:08,29 a massive door that would be on the 2nd floor of the balcony which is 526 00:52:09,62 --> 00:52:15,48 to about the doors that like I think it's 25 percent so we consider wood and then 527 00:52:15,49 --> 00:52:22,10 the rest well no. It isn't just what's really started like The 528 00:52:22,11 --> 00:52:27,10 Doors are the awning start then the planks start the if you put the brick there 529 00:52:27,11 --> 00:52:32,33 it's just going to make the colors look really nice and that is if you go off and 530 00:52:32,34 --> 00:52:38,21 make that building stand out yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 531 00:52:44,26 --> 00:52:51,04 You know I think that I really like just for your role OK with what you. 532 00:52:58,50 --> 00:53:00,63 Can you know I think we need to look at 533 00:53:00,64 --> 00:53:06,80 a new color. Or. 534 00:53:10,42 --> 00:53:16,63 You know I just got an idea for my. From Europe point of view is that. 535 00:53:17,47 --> 00:53:22,12 So I mean I mean is there are do you see any issues you know you know what 536 00:53:22,13 --> 00:53:26,83 a week we've done that before that you know as people have progressed with their 537 00:53:26,84 --> 00:53:33,20 project you know that they're certainly they have the latitude to change and then 538 00:53:33,28 --> 00:53:38,91 Michael said that's where we would do the administrate of approval or depending on 539 00:53:38,92 --> 00:53:43,99 the magnitude come before the commission again and I think you know I aspire 540 00:53:44,00 --> 00:53:50,66 structuring the motion you know that the the option for changes is already worked 541 00:53:50,67 --> 00:53:57,02 worked in to the staff recommendation. Yet again I guess it could be just recently 542 00:53:57,03 --> 00:54:01,28 be it bars the the science can be. 543 00:54:04,04 --> 00:54:10,55 As opposed to war the option of switching the break you know from the wings to the 544 00:54:10,56 --> 00:54:17,53 hands of these delegation and I mean I should be 545 00:54:17,54 --> 00:54:23,77 clear. And then I presume would that require administrators approval 546 00:54:24,71 --> 00:54:30,66 do we approve you know essentially one design and how about have something that 547 00:54:30,67 --> 00:54:37,17 would be subject to administrative approved correct. So I guess what would you rich 548 00:54:37,57 --> 00:54:41,92 which design would you lean toward that you would want you know essentially approve 549 00:54:41,93 --> 00:54:46,29 where you don't have to come back right in the state of approval you know which 550 00:54:46,30 --> 00:54:51,37 design would be your 2nd choice where if you opt for that then you just have to 551 00:54:51,38 --> 00:54:52,73 come up with 552 00:54:53,44 --> 00:55:00,01 a rendering. Is actually get straight to her 553 00:55:00,82 --> 00:55:07,38 user and ministry of approval go back. Now now we've got 554 00:55:07,39 --> 00:55:10,84 sugar presumably the motion will be structured in such 555 00:55:10,85 --> 00:55:17,84 a way that you will be if your approval for one or the other 556 00:55:18,02 --> 00:55:23,92 versions whichever you think it's more you know. You're going to want to do you 557 00:55:23,93 --> 00:55:29,55 know which is your 1st choice I guess and then in your back pocket you've got 558 00:55:29,56 --> 00:55:32,57 another option which would simply require administrative 559 00:55:32,58 --> 00:55:38,03 a pool not coming back commission but just simply coming to staff and they would 560 00:55:38,04 --> 00:55:38,94 present it to 561 00:55:38,98 --> 00:55:44,44 a chair. Between staff in the chair They're both in agreement they would simply 562 00:55:44,45 --> 00:55:49,56 sign off in the history of the group or you don't have to come back here now that 563 00:55:49,57 --> 00:55:55,83 said if for some reason you come back and it's something that they and their staff 564 00:55:55,92 --> 00:56:00,88 or the chair does not feel comfortable signing off on with the Ministry of approval 565 00:56:00,89 --> 00:56:06,64 then it would you know that it would require coming back should. That doesn't 566 00:56:06,65 --> 00:56:11,50 happen very often I don't know I think maybe I've been on the margins for 10 years 567 00:56:11,51 --> 00:56:12,35 of maybe have been 568 00:56:12,36 --> 00:56:18,49 a couple but I was correct. Now are you speaking to us to the east 569 00:56:19,05 --> 00:56:25,91 allegations or this change well I think correctly have wrapped it in 570 00:56:26,45 --> 00:56:32,77 the east and south Yeah I guess I mean yeah so again. The motion is going to have 571 00:56:32,78 --> 00:56:38,65 to be awarded depending upon which is your problems. And she needs 572 00:56:38,66 --> 00:56:43,24 a few minutes to think about this pond I just want to add something I'm looking at 573 00:56:43,25 --> 00:56:47,10 the design here and thinking it through if you did the brick and the and sat area 574 00:56:47,60 --> 00:56:53,35 you have the vertical party prank ontopic evil that are going to be the darker 575 00:56:53,36 --> 00:56:58,46 color of what that Doherty plank going horizontally if you did the columns on the 576 00:56:58,47 --> 00:57:05,26 side or the wings. In the middle of it so to get back to the 577 00:57:05,27 --> 00:57:09,85 original I think the middle of the plane. Just with the hardy plank running 578 00:57:10,34 --> 00:57:15,25 horizontally so think this through like if you do the break in the middle at Blair 579 00:57:16,10 --> 00:57:20,06 and then you saw the hardy thing but 2 different colors on the wings so you have 580 00:57:20,07 --> 00:57:26,25 the vertical at starker the vertical and not horizontal in the later Ray right now 581 00:57:26,26 --> 00:57:32,06 they'll be the same the same color same color just different hair and and it will 582 00:57:32,07 --> 00:57:34,74 probably be like I'm looking at more. 583 00:57:39,23 --> 00:57:46,12 Blue and therefore. And it's hard to see the board or the UK really you know the 584 00:57:46,13 --> 00:57:52,84 color for sure. That's the red yeah yeah yeah yeah you know it's just 585 00:57:52,85 --> 00:57:59,25 yeah as hard I mean. So the William Street elevation that would be all 586 00:57:59,54 --> 00:58:05,22 black it would be the brightness the railing. You have all that would be black and 587 00:58:05,23 --> 00:58:11,57 windows or black. Siding would be more dark yeah you know yeah 588 00:58:12,50 --> 00:58:17,87 but still to go you know I mean I I would differ US workers which is for but I 589 00:58:17,88 --> 00:58:19,50 think I'm coming around here as 590 00:58:19,90 --> 00:58:24,54 a general because of the way in St William's street elevation matters. And I do 591 00:58:24,55 --> 00:58:28,79 think you know just looking at that route and looking at beyond drafts of materials 592 00:58:28,79 --> 00:58:35,10 . I think. I'm just not I think that would be I think that will actually do things 593 00:58:35,49 --> 00:58:39,91 that are right you know but what I'm saying is I think that you should keep that 594 00:58:39,95 --> 00:58:44,72 the one in St That way I'm tough I'm just talking nearly the east side you do the 595 00:58:44,73 --> 00:58:51,67 bread and butter and that yet. This is. The corner right and I think that's 596 00:58:51,68 --> 00:58:58,68 still going to luck great on all sides to do. Yet. On the main artery and. 597 00:59:00,52 --> 00:59:06,95 Yes OK Yes you have the party planning on the I have 598 00:59:06,96 --> 00:59:11,88 a rare and in a design around when the start was like This is like 599 00:59:11,89 --> 00:59:18,54 a whirlwind because farming. Is just playing here with the rope line you know you 600 00:59:18,55 --> 00:59:24,49 have you. Ever are you playing and. It was 601 00:59:24,50 --> 00:59:31,35 a. Big advantage very like that corner and I mean corner and corner from 602 00:59:31,36 --> 00:59:37,80 right corner. But then if you you know he made one record to brag on that 603 00:59:37,81 --> 00:59:44,74 corner. Being I would be praising the batsmen all is just 604 00:59:45,03 --> 00:59:51,69 so. I think I'm boring I'm. Hoping I do know they're going to 605 00:59:51,73 --> 00:59:53,01 explain the threat that with 606 00:59:53,02 --> 00:59:59,97 a man on this side. And then have landed they were with me and I 607 01:00:00,17 --> 01:00:04,34 or I chatted with I mean for having us on our nice contrast and. 608 01:00:07,11 --> 01:00:08,51 I heard 609 01:00:08,52 --> 01:00:14,30 a horse but we kind of took the verdict or it out that not Stuart but then we're 610 01:00:14,31 --> 01:00:18,15 like Well when I don't want horizontal up there are like OK let's try to keep the 611 01:00:18,16 --> 01:00:19,99 vertical there I like. 612 01:00:25,91 --> 01:00:27,50 To be close. 613 01:00:36,40 --> 01:00:40,50 I think Bernie Bernie Oh geez that hole or Yeah no the school. 614 01:00:44,01 --> 01:00:44,21 Was. 615 01:00:51,92 --> 01:00:58,40 Being. You've been waiting for extra Yeah. And then this is why. 616 01:01:00,03 --> 01:01:04,63 And this break. We have at this corner here and feel like it's 617 01:01:04,64 --> 01:01:11,02 a main corner too material coming in on me your I will go there yeah I agree and I 618 01:01:11,03 --> 01:01:12,37 don't know I don't have the 619 01:01:12,38 --> 01:01:18,73 a car like this like feeling this corner you know and that where's the other corner 620 01:01:18,74 --> 01:01:22,99 where there's an impact and like the other foreigners you just walk by and they're 621 01:01:23,00 --> 01:01:24,54 not corners that you're seeing they're looking at 622 01:01:24,55 --> 01:01:28,91 a light you're looking at corner I think it's a pass by corner this is not 623 01:01:28,92 --> 01:01:33,33 a pass by corner you know you're you're going to be standing there I don't buy any 624 01:01:33,34 --> 01:01:36,74 of those like you're going to see that line I don't think 625 01:01:36,75 --> 01:01:41,43 a line there I know you're nice here because when I hear her crying right now but 626 01:01:41,44 --> 01:01:47,13 we could. Step in there 627 01:01:48,39 --> 01:01:54,82 so that your game would they are so slim and that been doing notch in the corner or 628 01:01:55,52 --> 01:02:00,92 so that you regret your grammar rather than to it and then you will cop that we 629 01:02:00,93 --> 01:02:07,44 have you on the other side to sit back that way that's that way I could I could 630 01:02:07,45 --> 01:02:13,93 like that corner now. You know doing it yeah I don't know I think I agree 631 01:02:14,28 --> 01:02:19,95 but I think having to contrast the materials on that war that I was really on 632 01:02:20,79 --> 01:02:27,44 around I'm not you know way. I mean. In the US we do it your your peers your and 633 01:02:27,45 --> 01:02:28,29 you just have 634 01:02:28,40 --> 01:02:35,16 a little ring and everything else like. That so you well I 635 01:02:35,17 --> 01:02:41,99 mean I give it I think it was either way. But if you had to 636 01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:44,46 keep the front brake I think there is 637 01:02:44,47 --> 01:02:47,58 a way to go yet to do it and to make it look nice. 638 01:02:51,37 --> 01:02:58,29 Yes. Well I guess I'm just going back to you know I care as for you I 639 01:02:58,30 --> 01:03:03,86 don't think you know the designer. Spiraling idea just going to one. 640 01:03:05,43 --> 01:03:07,71 Wrap around I think that would actually work. 641 01:03:14,25 --> 01:03:20,89 And I could be stuck with that party plank on the radio. In recent 642 01:03:20,90 --> 01:03:26,82 years later and I know I did it anyway why did you want to bring the knife in it 643 01:03:26,83 --> 01:03:33,10 there I can't be in the record I can bridge. The area that I had 644 01:03:33,85 --> 01:03:40,79 a transition right there are. Right and I didn't feel like you know like maybe we 645 01:03:40,80 --> 01:03:47,58 would have to rather than having had the idea of you know maybe we agree. But 646 01:03:47,65 --> 01:03:49,76 that's where race and that for 647 01:03:49,86 --> 01:03:56,34 a while you are not there yet and I think this is by just like really. 648 01:03:57,91 --> 01:03:58,44 When you have 649 01:03:58,45 --> 01:04:05,100 a plan that I don't know I like that around. Here 650 01:04:06,10 --> 01:04:11,77 but I have my daughter I like your sister. Yeah the Omega. 651 01:04:13,38 --> 01:04:13,65 3 S. 652 01:04:13,66 --> 01:04:20,65 Were all in favor of the military on the 5 bill the. Right yet both Mr Coleman I 653 01:04:20,66 --> 01:04:23,99 think you know can move to you know make 654 01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:30,92 a motion you know approve it as it is and then you can determine some other options 655 01:04:31,33 --> 01:04:38,15 for that. East elevation correct down south and 656 01:04:38,16 --> 01:04:44,79 east and about right and then. And then we can go from there and 657 01:04:44,80 --> 01:04:49,57 then we can get to approve to move on to rezoning and so forth. 658 01:04:52,24 --> 01:04:58,98 Just one other thing just looking at the samples of the hard line. And I 659 01:04:58,99 --> 01:05:00,18 understand this is just kind of 660 01:05:00,19 --> 01:05:06,87 a trade sample. The requirement is that it's NOT be faced with 661 01:05:06,88 --> 01:05:13,34 grains with the smooth side out that I think yeah that's why I 662 01:05:13,35 --> 01:05:17,61 decided I just flip it on one side or the out why it dies want to make sure the 663 01:05:17,62 --> 01:05:24,29 valves are. Great you know I think that the 664 01:05:24,30 --> 01:05:25,83 American side. 665 01:05:33,93 --> 01:05:40,39 When other one other thought I have is the application states like shingles 666 01:05:40,40 --> 01:05:42,95 dimensional shingles which I think you got 667 01:05:42,96 --> 01:05:49,69 a sample here. Just thinking in terms of you know that 668 01:05:50,55 --> 01:05:54,33 this story well again and again I think there's some elements of this are certainly 669 01:05:54,34 --> 01:05:57,48 not into the residential even though it's 670 01:05:57,49 --> 01:06:03,11 a mix you space residential traditionally has been a slate roof or 671 01:06:03,12 --> 01:06:06,57 a stand he's seeing any thoughts about going to 672 01:06:06,61 --> 01:06:13,55 a collar about washing that would look more like Slate versus. I don't 673 01:06:13,56 --> 01:06:17,78 know if you have any. I mean I'm high wire and I just as 674 01:06:17,79 --> 01:06:24,73 a personal you know observation I think you know what's more. It's more like 675 01:06:24,74 --> 01:06:30,74 Slate and Slate color would probably look more harmonious with you know historic. 676 01:06:32,51 --> 01:06:38,68 Materials used. It may be that the color they really were but colors. 677 01:06:40,53 --> 01:06:47,20 I guess so they wanted I got an effect out the. Supreme and I did and I know this 678 01:06:47,21 --> 01:06:53,23 is a personal problem I have but I'm not I'm not really I don't have 679 01:06:53,24 --> 01:07:00,19 a concern so it's like prior ready to. 680 01:07:02,16 --> 01:07:02,50 Create 681 01:07:02,51 --> 01:07:09,35 a motion. Somebody like to make 682 01:07:09,36 --> 01:07:14,51 a motion I can try. To get what I. 683 01:07:17,02 --> 01:07:23,95 Look like and. Never hide and. So I think 684 01:07:24,30 --> 01:07:24,59 there's 685 01:07:24,60 --> 01:07:31,72 a lot of give him the option I think there's any point you could. Like 686 01:07:31,73 --> 01:07:36,95 in your head up what were the motions sensually approving the application. 687 01:07:39,61 --> 01:07:46,18 Acid and then it. Snaps recommendations and then adding 688 01:07:47,17 --> 01:07:53,83 that. The wrap around the transition from Brick the Arctic like would only be one 689 01:07:53,97 --> 01:08:00,37 course so that would be one position and then the other 690 01:08:00,38 --> 01:08:07,25 additions would be subject to administrative approval if the African I would 691 01:08:08,21 --> 01:08:14,96 opt to sensually have the wings the 692 01:08:15,41 --> 01:08:20,51 essentially the 2 wings for parties wine and they had said Greg that would be 693 01:08:20,52 --> 01:08:27,27 subject to administrators. And again that's you know. It might be 694 01:08:27,28 --> 01:08:31,41 straightforward if you end up doing that or it might be something that your staff 695 01:08:31,49 --> 01:08:35,65 or the chair would say you know that really is something that needs to come back so 696 01:08:35,66 --> 01:08:39,65 I know it's I don't want to I don't want to make it sound like you know it's like 697 01:08:39,69 --> 01:08:42,88 you know we're going to go with a brick and all will just get 698 01:08:42,89 --> 01:08:47,47 a couple initials and it's done so it might be that easy or it might have come back 699 01:08:47,89 --> 01:08:52,89 if you're not. Going to make 700 01:08:52,90 --> 01:08:55,19 a motion to prove each P.C. 701 01:08:55,20 --> 01:09:02,01 281-9157. Certificate ever perpetrated. As approved 702 01:09:02,95 --> 01:09:05,19 by the Dow creating 703 01:09:06,06 --> 01:09:12,03 a line item number 123456 704 01:09:12,93 --> 01:09:19,33 with the addition of numbers 7 the applicant has the option to switch material. 705 01:09:21,18 --> 01:09:27,93 From party play to brick or vice versa on the east and south elevation with 706 01:09:27,94 --> 01:09:33,71 administration ministry of provable or H P C 707 01:09:34,58 --> 01:09:39,03 meeting if needed and number 8. 708 01:09:41,59 --> 01:09:46,97 The bridge to Hardy playing transition would go to London for 709 01:09:46,98 --> 01:09:49,93 a. United. 710 01:09:54,20 --> 01:09:59,53 High Ground clear enough for you guys yes you can get out obviously and this comes 711 01:09:59,54 --> 01:09:59,98 confront 712 01:09:59,99 --> 01:10:05,90 a mark you would probably have to walk him through out what. You would have to walk 713 01:10:06,22 --> 01:10:11,56 through you know the discussion I got from the market in terms of the I'm. Going to 714 01:10:11,57 --> 01:10:11,77 make. 715 01:10:18,45 --> 01:10:23,32 You know 11 o'clock seconds. OK We have a motion in 716 01:10:23,33 --> 01:10:29,70 a sack at any further discussion. Please call mishearing 717 01:10:30,62 --> 01:10:36,98 Miss Revere Yes Miss Van Gundy vice chairman CONAN. Things you 718 01:10:37,81 --> 01:10:42,90 never. Really have a highly melody or is 719 01:10:42,91 --> 01:10:48,66 a value. That's been one of the major I've heard or at back corner. 720 01:10:50,93 --> 01:10:55,72 You have somebody on standby ready to take. My time on. 721 01:10:58,84 --> 01:11:00,52 The way home just walk around getting 722 01:11:00,53 --> 01:11:07,51 a job in this sector through here but. Thank you very much 723 01:11:07,52 --> 01:11:14,32 because very evident here on the recon. Cage All right I guess this is the 1st 724 01:11:14,79 --> 01:11:21,36 but the revised plans that you guys really you know. This is 725 01:11:21,37 --> 01:11:27,12 a good thing. You really did listen to the suggestions obviously you look to. 726 01:11:28,75 --> 01:11:34,12 The standards you think this is going to be about improvement over what has been 727 01:11:34,22 --> 01:11:41,14 nice work for at least the 24 years that I've written. Here where they had 728 01:11:41,43 --> 01:11:41,74 never 729 01:11:41,75 --> 01:11:59,46 a higher rank in. The 730 01:11:59,84 --> 01:12:06,43 discussion. We're 731 01:12:06,44 --> 01:12:11,47 signing up find last. And. 732 01:12:12,86 --> 01:12:15,88 Appreciates that putting together all the information I think that's 733 01:12:15,89 --> 01:12:22,83 a good summary of the conversations that we have. And I definitely 734 01:12:22,84 --> 01:12:27,49 think it's something that we need to have that discussion my thought is because 735 01:12:27,50 --> 01:12:28,91 that has been traditionally 736 01:12:28,92 --> 01:12:33,99 a pretty contentious subject with the commission that that's probably 737 01:12:34,00 --> 01:12:40,15 a discussion we should table until we have. All members present. 738 01:12:42,97 --> 01:12:44,38 Members present 739 01:12:44,39 --> 01:12:51,22 a pretty nice. Meeting. You know emotional to 740 01:12:51,23 --> 01:12:56,06 table. Table on the discussion and practical and Fred bringing up 741 01:12:56,07 --> 01:13:02,85 a. Second. Going to the school of the world the parent 742 01:13:03,14 --> 01:13:06,62 yes that's revere Yes that's been done the place chairman. 743 01:13:10,22 --> 01:13:16,97 Carolyn's moved out and break it out for about the boundaries I think looking at. 744 01:13:20,27 --> 01:13:20,81 Mike on 745 01:13:20,82 --> 01:13:27,64 a truck. Well I appreciate again you guys putting together. 746 01:13:28,68 --> 01:13:34,40 The information on the ground and. The reason I brought that up in the May. 747 01:13:36,28 --> 01:13:41,79 The May meeting was. We do start to see we are starting to see 748 01:13:41,80 --> 01:13:46,32 a lot of activity I think an interest in that part of the town and while the 749 01:13:46,33 --> 01:13:53,19 boundaries of the the district edge up to the Lake Street area there are 750 01:13:53,23 --> 01:13:59,82 significant contributing. Structures within that area that are not part of the 751 01:13:59,83 --> 01:14:05,35 boundaries of the historic district and I think. You know it's some point that. 752 01:14:06,60 --> 01:14:10,51 That area is obviously starting to get developed and interest in it is probably 753 01:14:10,52 --> 01:14:17,30 going to grow and right now for instance to his story structure removed from the 754 01:14:17,31 --> 01:14:24,15 corner of Lake and central. And. You know I don't know that there's any. 755 01:14:25,76 --> 01:14:32,64 Around one and then there was the more rectangular Square. Structure layers and 756 01:14:32,65 --> 01:14:38,52 there were just telling where we were just talking about the boundaries and so 757 01:14:39,70 --> 01:14:43,86 and I think it'd be interesting to get your feedback at some point during those if 758 01:14:43,87 --> 01:14:48,50 you would like to because I think to me I think the reason I brought it up as I was 759 01:14:48,51 --> 01:14:54,29 saying is as you're aware you know structures were removed from the corner of Lake 760 01:14:54,30 --> 01:15:00,49 Street in central and historic structures that have been there for. Generations and 761 01:15:00,50 --> 01:15:00,77 there is 762 01:15:00,78 --> 01:15:08,65 a lot of interest I think starting to happen there on that in the town. Lake 763 01:15:09,21 --> 01:15:13,01 Lake St You know control but you know the Abbey old dob it looks like 764 01:15:13,02 --> 01:15:14,85 a gas station but I get to be 765 01:15:14,86 --> 01:15:21,84 a drive in or something like that. And so I guess the concern 766 01:15:21,85 --> 01:15:27,31 I guess is right now part of that area is within the boundaries of the historic 767 01:15:27,32 --> 01:15:32,64 district and part of it isn't in there among the areas that are not our areas still 768 01:15:32,65 --> 01:15:39,20 have you know historic stock structures and then addition to that. 769 01:15:40,36 --> 01:15:45,56 There's really I don't know what kind of zoning there is that you know where those 770 01:15:45,57 --> 01:15:49,46 2 structures were removed what prevent somebody from say put in 771 01:15:49,47 --> 01:15:54,05 a gas station and there you know that becomes another entertainment district or you 772 01:15:54,06 --> 01:16:00,30 know area restaurants and things to draw people down. You know right now it was 773 01:16:00,31 --> 01:16:05,23 during the zoning that would prevent you know something that would just be 774 01:16:05,24 --> 01:16:10,89 detrimental to that type of development in that area and I understand that it's 775 01:16:10,90 --> 01:16:17,80 getting. From Ah staff. Report and they came back to 10 776 01:16:17,81 --> 01:16:23,56 years ago when they did the side inventory study that there was very little 777 01:16:23,57 --> 01:16:29,31 interest in that on happened and I think you know it might be worth really 778 01:16:29,32 --> 01:16:36,23 exploring that because I think to be able that are investing in there. You know in 779 01:16:36,24 --> 01:16:40,34 that corner yeah yeah one or 2. 780 01:16:47,44 --> 01:16:49,53 You know I'm on my. 781 01:16:57,13 --> 01:17:01,33 Right right so this may I mean I wouldn't you know and I think he's but he's also 782 01:17:01,34 --> 01:17:05,06 the gentleman that was interested in possibly doing something with the sun and the 783 01:17:05,07 --> 01:17:11,97 so obviously that I like because. Yeah I yeah no I understand I don't I didn't 784 01:17:12,09 --> 01:17:15,65 I live across on the Sunday I will believe anything happening there until it 785 01:17:15,66 --> 01:17:19,41 actually happens whether it's not my job right there is like 786 01:17:19,42 --> 01:17:24,00 a tax. You know but I you know I think there's 787 01:17:24,01 --> 01:17:26,93 a lot of potential for that in the town but there's also 788 01:17:26,94 --> 01:17:33,07 a lot of risk and the development could be you know I think helpful for you know 789 01:17:33,08 --> 01:17:37,90 that type of you know for his investment but it also could be you know could be 790 01:17:37,91 --> 01:17:42,40 detrimental and maybe not detrimental but it could be negative in terms of you know 791 01:17:42,41 --> 01:17:46,08 what goes on there so I don't know you know in terms of you know the vacant lot 792 01:17:46,52 --> 01:17:52,26 where those 2 structures were the you know what do you know in there I mean I don't 793 01:17:52,27 --> 01:17:58,74 know what the someone you know the 3. To the so that the. In the the 794 01:17:58,75 --> 01:18:03,01 same zoning is. That the West WM which is 795 01:18:03,02 --> 01:18:09,36 a community business district. So post still in all 796 01:18:09,37 --> 01:18:15,05 commercial type but still in the you know I guess one of the things I question I 797 01:18:15,06 --> 01:18:19,92 have about you know the previous. Study. There was 798 01:18:19,93 --> 01:18:24,64 a much broader area that was being looked at and I don't think you know that there 799 01:18:24,65 --> 01:18:29,75 obviously was not an interest and I don't think hell's going to do anything unless 800 01:18:29,96 --> 01:18:35,65 there's interest you know from the stakeholders of any expansion of the boundaries 801 01:18:35,66 --> 01:18:41,49 without the correctness of our. Well get out by generals using just you know 802 01:18:42,37 --> 01:18:48,13 a lot. Of other really you know. 803 01:18:49,92 --> 01:18:56,75 Yeah. Well I think you know I just wonder what would be the next steps 804 01:18:56,76 --> 01:19:01,70 to you know try to you know see what kind of support there would be you know among 805 01:19:01,71 --> 01:19:08,70 the stakeholders. You know that would probably be somewhat informal council 806 01:19:09,32 --> 01:19:15,55 would view expanding that assuming. That this would take up 807 01:19:15,59 --> 01:19:22,57 a substantial amount of staff time. In order to come pile the information 808 01:19:23,00 --> 01:19:27,11 now the 1st one you would want to see if it's P.C. 809 01:19:27,12 --> 01:19:33,80 Itself in idea that you would want to get the company commissioned support for this 810 01:19:34,11 --> 01:19:39,78 concept and I think as Lance has explained before this constitute 811 01:19:39,82 --> 01:19:46,63 a zoning code change in which requires planning commission 812 01:19:46,64 --> 01:19:53,28 support and and city council approval. And so it's 813 01:19:53,29 --> 01:20:00,21 a pretty you're talking about that the timing you know of the new interest and so 814 01:20:00,22 --> 01:20:05,23 forth. You know from investors but there are there's 815 01:20:05,24 --> 01:20:09,97 a lot of change going on you know on the east side you know with all the 816 01:20:09,98 --> 01:20:16,87 transportation and so forth. So with the the timing of 817 01:20:16,88 --> 01:20:23,22 doing all you know that the research and adding another layer of regulation 818 01:20:23,78 --> 01:20:30,69 you know on this particular you know part. Might have sing about the timing 819 01:20:30,99 --> 01:20:35,53 and then the staff resources you know well when you're when you're thinking in 820 01:20:35,54 --> 01:20:40,43 terms of staff resources are you thinking about that in terms of the entire area 821 01:20:40,44 --> 01:20:44,93 covered by the previous survey or because I think in terms of you know me 822 01:20:44,94 --> 01:20:50,13 personally some of the more limited to the area immediately around you know Lake 823 01:20:50,14 --> 01:20:55,67 Street where you know there's probably going to be additional commercial so over 824 01:20:55,68 --> 01:21:01,94 the next few years. Well all right and so clarifying 825 01:21:02,31 --> 01:21:09,20 exactly where you would want the heard the commission might run 826 01:21:09,53 --> 01:21:13,70 the boundaries expanded. As 827 01:21:13,71 --> 01:21:20,32 a says in the memo. The protocol to 828 01:21:20,86 --> 01:21:24,54 do the expansion is outlined. 829 01:21:28,64 --> 01:21:35,62 Are you talking like the old. Like the north like corner and I. Yeah 830 01:21:35,63 --> 01:21:40,64 I think it would be your enormous actually in that I have a canary it's not 831 01:21:40,65 --> 01:21:46,21 a problem then I think that some plaque Street which is further north but the oh OK 832 01:21:46,22 --> 01:21:48,54 I think when if you when you mention you know I'm thinking of 833 01:21:48,55 --> 01:21:54,23 a quarter of winter lakes you know and I thought that was an old mill but I'm not 834 01:21:54,24 --> 01:21:58,03 sure what the subject of the dome in the building and I was talking about. 835 01:22:02,21 --> 01:22:06,07 Going out there on the OK I know which one you're the one that's closer to the 836 01:22:06,08 --> 01:22:11,06 river Yeah you know and I don't know I it's this is probably another thing that we 837 01:22:11,07 --> 01:22:14,36 need to really give the rest of the commission members but I guess you know 838 01:22:15,16 --> 01:22:20,89 obviously it's not like we're the starting point for that discussion so what's the 839 01:22:21,19 --> 01:22:26,22 you know what are the votes of you know the other present condition so the memo to 840 01:22:26,26 --> 01:22:31,86 suggest that. The 1st step would be arranging out 841 01:22:31,90 --> 01:22:36,17 a joint work session and I'm to get all parties involved and have 842 01:22:36,18 --> 01:22:42,60 a conversation or does that start the level of extra work for everybody but that 843 01:22:42,65 --> 01:22:49,32 this is to determine. If that if the overall goal of 844 01:22:49,40 --> 01:22:54,10 doing this you know it is appropriate at work session necessarily 845 01:22:54,11 --> 01:22:55,91 a bad idea just to have a Congress 846 01:22:55,92 --> 01:23:01,68 a conversation with everybody where we walk down there walk around and actually 847 01:23:01,73 --> 01:23:03,06 look at what we. 848 01:23:09,85 --> 01:23:15,82 You know. You know again I did. We're going to be the starting point for this it 849 01:23:15,83 --> 01:23:21,34 sounds like we probably need to have the other presence and have that discussion 850 01:23:21,83 --> 01:23:26,86 because we have expanded the boundaries of the district before we did that with the 851 01:23:26,87 --> 01:23:32,58 last 4 hours of the Elks building did any good but it actually I think it gave us 852 01:23:32,59 --> 01:23:39,56 some leverage. Other than the city some leverage with the county maybe not much. 853 01:23:41,30 --> 01:23:45,57 But in any case it out it just to me it just seems like that's 854 01:23:45,58 --> 01:23:49,32 a real opportunity to preserve 855 01:23:50,29 --> 01:23:55,14 a unique area that the Right now doesn't have any you know significant protections 856 01:23:55,18 --> 01:24:01,47 and there could be. Just another really amazing part of the downtown. 857 01:24:03,77 --> 01:24:08,10 Is actually pretty amazing right now so no offense to anybody that has an interest 858 01:24:08,11 --> 01:24:12,89 in her currently but I but I do think exact risk and I think that's just going to 859 01:24:12,90 --> 01:24:15,54 become you know there's going to be 860 01:24:15,55 --> 01:24:17,70 a lot more interest going forward so we ought to take 861 01:24:17,71 --> 01:24:22,27 a look at it now before something else gets knocked down or something else gets 862 01:24:22,28 --> 01:24:28,06 removed. You know I guess you could thought it was 863 01:24:28,10 --> 01:24:35,09 a table there for. The other question of the. Person you 864 01:24:35,10 --> 01:24:42,07 are getting. To take care of the expansion of the her historic district and 865 01:24:42,08 --> 01:24:48,24 every discussion I can. Think you 866 01:24:49,60 --> 01:24:53,44 with parents. For beer there has been going to hear 867 01:24:53,61 --> 01:24:57,93 a sermon calling Yes. Stuck on. 868 01:25:01,36 --> 01:25:08,31 Downtown has been busy. We've. Have virtually all of 869 01:25:08,32 --> 01:25:14,24 the our sidewalk permit have been issued for this year so that that's good 870 01:25:14,93 --> 01:25:21,24 and. We're working the still the sign permits 871 01:25:21,28 --> 01:25:27,41 and are flashing the signs were you know consistently getting those under control 872 01:25:27,45 --> 01:25:33,99 to. And the commission member 873 01:25:34,00 --> 01:25:40,75 collets was. Right next leg of our meeting scheduled for 874 01:25:40,76 --> 01:25:43,99 August 28th. Of 875 01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:50,01 a motion. To Adjourn. Ocean. 876 01:25:52,100 --> 01:25:55,26 Going. You know.