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People please take your seats we're
going to comments are hearing.

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We are going to have a we do have

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a sign up sheet over on the bench over
their table so anyone who wants to speak

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tonight we're asking you to sign up and
we will call you in the order in which

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people are signed up unless
you decide not to speak.

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So as you know. Can you
hear me so it's not Ok.

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This is our our this is our. This is

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our 1st session dealing with traffic
exclusively so as you know if you've come to

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prior sessions of these hearings we've
dealt with the site characteristics site

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plan aspects drainage storm water and we're
going to continue some of those at our

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meeting next week. But tonight we're devoting
exclusively to the subject of traffic

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so if you came to talk about storm water
or hazardous materials or anything else

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this is not your night we do want to
hear from you on your thoughts about Dr.

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The game plan tonight we're starting at
7 we're going to try to wrap up tonight

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session at around 10. We're going to allow
approximately an hour or less if the

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applicant needs allow us to present
information about traffic for the site in the

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studies that have been done in that time
will also have our. Person who's peer

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review traffic for us because well
then I think we'll have perhaps

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a half hour if needed for questions from
the Planning Board so at approximately 830

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it's our intention to open this up
for public comment and unlike our

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prior sessions I'm not going to restrict
comments initially to questions I think

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we're going to go right
to comments if you have

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a question that's fine but we're going
to accept all public input at this point

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different not able to finish this it at 10
o'clock tonight and there are people who

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haven't had

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a chance to speak and still want to speak
then we're going to continue the session

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along with the other topics at our meeting
next week on Wednesday and then there is

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one more hearing. Our regular meeting of
the Planning Board is on February 10th so

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if there's any spillover to the 10th that
will happen as well but it's my hope that

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we will conclude these hearings. At the
latest next week so that's the game

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plan I would ask people when you get
to your time to talk. We know there's

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a lot of interest in this project but it
does not help to hear the same thing over

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and over so try to bring your comments to

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a focus of what you have it's different
that people before you have not already

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said we do pay attention so with
that I like to ask if we could have

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a motion to waive the reading of the
public notice removed and 2nd on favor

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your votes in favor motion passes. Hearing
is now in order and we're going to ask

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the applicant if they would like to come
up and begin their presentation. And

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please everybody. Whether the applicant
or any other speaker we're going to need

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you to come up to the microphone not just
so that we can hear you but there are

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people who are watching this on Bev cam
and they cannot hear anything that is not

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spoken into

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a microphone Thank you. It

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was that much better so I thank you I have
members My name is Steve Cohen from Cea

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via applicant in the matter.
It's no secret that traffic

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remains is the biggest concern that is
troubling in many of our neighbors and we

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understand that they're fearful that
their neighborhood may be harmed by the

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traffic impacts here not only from
our project but from the interchange

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improvements in it in general and from
their perspective for many of them

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this is really

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a big threatening unknown. And we are
here tonight to demonstrate to you that

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the traffic impact of the project is
not an unknown. And it will not be

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anything like what our neighbors fear so
probably no project in the history of the

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city of Beverly yet it has ever been studied
as carefully and as thoroughly as this

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project certainly the traffic elements but
other elements as well it's traffic has

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been studied by Jacobs the city's traffic
engineer and by the ultra conservative

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traffic engineers of mass
Department of Transportation

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a new interchange was designed in part
with this project in mind to provide

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sufficient capacity so that the traffic
associated with this project could be

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handled safely and efficiently. The traffic
impact has been studied by Ron Mueller

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of r.m.a.

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You know my very conservative traffic
in engineer it's been studied by the

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e.c.

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The traffic engineer and gauged by the city
to review the matter and finally it has

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been examined and studied by the Beverly
parking and traffic commission and

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all of these experts are professional
engineers and they're all committed to making

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sure that they understand and you
understand and we all understand the

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future impact of the traffic
associated with this project so again

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we understand and we respect you the fear
here that so many of our neighbors have

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so eloquently expressed in other forums
and letters and I imagine we'll hear some

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it tonight but at this point fear
must yield to facts and analysis

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and so tonight we will hear
from 2 way of the experts the

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traffic engineers who have examined
the traffic impacts thanks

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and you'll hear from these experts that
the traffic impact of the project is on

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local roadways and and on the
city is relatively modest. Sorry

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you'll hear that the impact is relatively
modest and I think that you will hear and

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I hope my neighbors will hear that the
impact is not going to be what they feared.

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So I before I introduce Ai traffic
consultant there are just

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a couple things that I want to go through
1st of all just I understand the the

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process by which the traffic impact as it
has been studied and the public process

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as well it starts when I hire
a Ron Mueller of a r. And b.

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To a top notch guy in the
field to examine the traffic

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a impacts here he did

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a preliminary study we then
reviewed what the planning

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a director. In the planning director looked
at our study initially and said Well

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you know you've just looked at the immediate
vicinity of your project. We would

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like you to take a look at oh yeah

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a broader field and so we expanded at his
request we expanded the scope of the

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study from

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a Dodge street in the north down to
Essex Street in the south so it's

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a pretty expensive study.
Prepare that study

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this is the study that was prepared
it's substantial It's weighty it's

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comprehensive. The next
step is the city hired its

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own engineer to see to examine the
project the traffic impacts in

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a and to review the traffic study area
that our engineer put together and then

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there begin

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a an iterative process in which to see it
would make comments on that traffic study

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. Our traffic engineer would respond to
the comments that more comments would be

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made by t.c.

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More responses process
went back and forth for

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a couple of months until ultimately the
city's traffic consultant. Was satisfied

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that her issues and questions you were
addressed and ultimately she concurred you

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know you with the traffic analysis. So that
was the process now we know you'll hear

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from from our traffic consultant.
About the actual. Traffic

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a impacts but as part of that review
process comments were also made about

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the site plan a itself and therefore as part
of that process in response to the t.c.

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Comments we made

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a number of provisions in the site
plan. First of all she expressed

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concern about certain congestion in the
area around the bank in the building and so

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we added

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a bypass lane to the bank building to
to avoid that potential congestion.

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Next she pointed the Out
to the that there wasn't

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a pedestrian access from Sawyer road
into the project and so we added

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a sidewalk along the side of the Whole
Foods building in order to provide that

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access. In addition to several
minor changes some signage

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we adjusted the curb radius
up on. Access to the

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service area was was improved in and clarified
certain one way and 2 way areas were

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were clarified

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a number of small changes but the most
significant change in the that came out of

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the review process was to add an access
on Sawyer road and the general Russian

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now for that in the rose in not only
from comments from from the e.c.

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But also arose in our discussions with
the engineers at Mass. The general

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Russian now is to distribute the traffic
in as many different directions

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as possible and to minimize the potential
for an inordinate and packed in any

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one in the direction and you know
when we explored that option

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a initially and ran our numbers we found
that in fact it was very effective in

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reducing the traffic

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a impact on the connector road and
on Brimble Avenue by distributing it

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a 3rd way you to as well and most notably
I would point out that the traffic

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exiting the project onto the connector
road he was actually reduced by 40 percent

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by adding an exit on Sawyer road
so those are the plan changes

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that that grew out of the in this process.
The process ordinarily culminates with

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a study of mitigation. And in this
case the traffic engineers felt that

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we were going to have an impact
that relatively small impact at

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a couple of problematic into sections
for the most part at the northern and

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southern extremes of. After the that

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was raised we proposed to contribute our
fair share to the cost to to mitigate.

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At those sensitive locations costs way it
was calculated we calculated out our fair

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share contribution and proposed

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a particular contribution and again
on behalf of the city see evaluated

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that and concluded the that the costs
and the fair share. Were reasonable and

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concurred with the amount of of
mitigation proposed however. That

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was just the beginning of the conversation
and that if the matter of mitigation is

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still being discussed with parking and
traffic and then and with the city at

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administration so that won't be resolved
for you tonight but you'll hear more about

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that in next time by by which
time I hope that there will be

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a resolution. I guess I should mention know
one of the things talking about process

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is that ultimately this project if
it is approved by the city will need

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a curb cut permit from the
state. And this is an ordinary.

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Thing that is required when you seek
access to a state road and it's

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a standard practice it to get all the local
permits 1st and then go to the state

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for the curve up permit you know they
want to know that you have your local

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approvals in any before they.
Address that their card. You know

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we believe that will get the necessary curb
cuts that we see in the highly unlikely

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event that they you know alter the access
in any way will be back to the city

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will be back to parking and traffic will
be back to the planning board to present

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any revisions that that may have been
made at the at the state level now. One

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other subject related to traffic but not
entirely I need to raise to tonight

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and that relates to our most important
neighbor at North Ridge homes.

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We've become aware in the last few days
that some of the folks at Northridge. Have

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some concerns about this traffic
related and and otherwise. They are

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very important to us as we've mentioned in
previous hearings I mean we have lots of

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neighbors in a in the neighborhood but we
have only one neighbor that's our actual

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a butter and we feel

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a special responsibility to try to. Address
any of their concerns and to mitigate

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any impacts that we may have upon them so
you've heard previously at the earlier

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hearings that we've addressed some drainage
issues that they had in fact bit of

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a drain onto our site and we've had to
alter our drainage design in order to

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accommodate their storm water
I think you might also recall

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that much of Northridge like
an arrow site was built on

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a landfill. And like our site they have
potential issues with landfill gas

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and part of what we are doing and
our project is to provide for.

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Monitoring of landfill gas that affects
their property as well as effect

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again hours that you've heard before in
addition I I want to tell you that if we

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have a long common property
line we're proposing it to put

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a fence along that property line because
they were concerned with security and.

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Didn't want to have people going through
our property to theirs. There are also

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some gaps it's pretty heavily treed along
the property line but there is going to

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be a one substantial gap. And we're
proposing it to provide screening at

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a they are probably a number of
trees but possibly trees and

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a fence and we'll work with the North Ridge
board to figure out exactly what they

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preferred there. They've expressed some
concerns about traffic volumes on Sawyer

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road as

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a passes in front of their property.
And I can tell you generally speaking

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that the impact of the track of traffic on
Sawyer there is very small in the in the

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morning peak hour it's negligible
virtually no traffic. At all.

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In the pm peak hour however.
Our studies and by the way you

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calculation that this is about 15 percent
of our traffic will be using Sawyer to

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approach and exit. The project that
15 percent in the evening pick

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peak hour works out to about one
car every 2 minutes or so in each

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direction so again it's

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a very modest impact and then again on the
weekend and it's the weekends when this

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project will experience the most
traffic. On the weekends there will be

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a car roughly every one and

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a half minutes. In each direction at
the passing in front of Northridge

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So the impact very very
modest. But the most critical

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issue there that has been raised by our
neighbors and at Northridge is the

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potential impact of what is known at
Northridge as the cave building and then you

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see the cave building. If there if. If.

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We highlighted it there so you could see
it more heavily I actually get you know

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all all of the buildings on North Ridge
are actually on the other side of their

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driveway except for the cave building
which is on the side of their roadway

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which is closest and he to
us at that building is only

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5 feet from the property line now of course
that doesn't conform to zoning of his

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own and actually requires a set
back of of at least 20 feet. In

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a load location like that but there's

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a long history about how Northridge got
built in in the in fact that at that time

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the city actually opposed a
construction of Northridge

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a bit but the city was was trumped by
the state and when the dust settled

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there was

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a building only 5 feet from the property
line so well it's non-conforming and as

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unduly close to the property line nevertheless
you know we felt that there was you

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know I think for apartments
there for their 4 units

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a there and you know we we felt that we
needed to you know is somehow minimize the

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impact on those folks so the 1st thing we
did is when we designed the Whole Foods

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building you know initially you know we
thought that we would want to put it at the

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loading docks you're buried in the corner.
Back there from our perspective that

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would have been the ideal place but that
would have put them close to the cave

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building so we redesigned the building
and pushed them to the other side of the

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building to to get them as far away from
the cave building as possible. Then

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there's the location of the building
itself you know we are subject to

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a 20 foot setback in that location which
is to say that we can build our building

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20 feet from the property line well you
know clearly with the cave building right

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there that would not have been desirable
we would not have been ideal so we pushed

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you know the Whole Foods building as far
away from the quay building as we could so

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again the required setback is 20 feet we
actually placed the Whole Foods building

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56 feet. Away from the
property line so I mean it's

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a contrast on the on the 2
sides were both subject to

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a 20 foot setback but the cave building
is 5 feet from the property line we're 56

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feet from the property line
and then finally. What we

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did was provide a a buffer on our side
of the property line we start with with

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a fence on the property line itself as
tall as as well as we can make it actually

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if this is

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a good study of the situation that's the
cave building over on the left you know

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that's where they had the Whole Foods
building over on the right and you can see

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that the k.

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Building is actually going to be taller
than than the Whole Foods. Building then

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right on the property line the is the fence
it's drawn as as an 8 foot fence. And

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then on the other side
of the of that fence is

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a 10 foot buffer. And in that
buffer it area we plan to

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plant. Cyprus's. It's

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a fast growing evergreen tree we
can plant them at about 12 to 14

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feet initially it but they grow 3 to 5
feet per year and they are the ideal

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tree for screening in

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a location like this some. And

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I continue Very well I'll try to
you finish that up because as I

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say they have expressed concerns about
the parking and traffic and you know I

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thought if we're going to address the
issue of North Ridge we should do it

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comprehensively but we'll finish it hey
this up now so the the tree is drawn there

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at about 2025 feet it will provide

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a great screen that will not be able to
see the cars as you can see drawn. There

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and you know overall right now the residents
of that building are looking out over

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soya road and the traffic coming down from
128 when we finish with this planting

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they're going to be looking out of trees.
I'm not necessarily saying that we're

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going to be making their life better in all
respects but I am telling you that you

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know we have worked hard to try to mitigate
any conceivable impact on the Cape

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building and we think we've done

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a pretty good job of that So finally you
know before I introduce run Mueller I

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just want to emphasize one last time the
that. The numbers that you're going to

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hear from Ron The numbers that are
incorporated in our traffic report the traffic

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volumes. Are all based on extremely
conservative assumptions

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in fact in the state of the
u.s. Cities peer review or e.a.

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Characterized these assumptions as
conservative worst case assumptions and

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let me tell you the it quickly in what
respects we consider them to be conservative

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1st of all you know we feel the

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a that more of the traffic volume will
actually be on 128 rather than on

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local roads but for the purposes of our
report we assumed more on local roads

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because we want to test. Our assumptions
and make sure that again even in the worst

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case we understood the early the potential
impact on the on the locals. Secondly

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when we estimated future traffic you
know we use the. Standards here

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for

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a shopping center but in fact we
know what some of the specific uses

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are going to be in the small building
their small specialty stores and in if we

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actually get an estimate traffic based on
the specific uses that we anticipate. We

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actually come up with traffic volumes that
are 20 percent smaller than the volumes

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that we've incorporated

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a into our report Moreover where
again we use the. Past by factors we

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think that this project in this location
the past by factor will be even greater

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the than what the i t

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e requires is that we use I would also
mention that our traffic volumes include the

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future possible the traffic to be
generated by 300000 feet of our Indian

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office space in the proposed
by Cummings over and done

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a road now going to as you've probably heard
from coming see if that project isn't

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going to be actually built until they have

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a substantial lead in 10 into they don't
have one now they don't have one in the in

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the wings and they do these things are long
term basis you know these buildings may

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not get built for 5710 years nevertheless
we've included in their numbers

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all of the chips and traffic volumes
associated with that 300000 feet of office

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so bottom line we are extremely confident
that the actual traffic impact actual

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traffic volumes to be associated with this
project will be less than modeled in our

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traffic report will be less than any of
the numbers that you hear from Mr Mueller

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that you see any in any of these charts and
finally I would just mention that down

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the road that eventually there will be

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a phase 2 of the interchange project
and whether it's in 5 years or 7 years

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I don't know but the city is working
diligently to make it happen it's important to

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the city and when Phase 2 does come along
there will be an enormous impact I have

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a significant portion of the traffic.
Brimble Avenue will be drawn elsewhere most

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particularly all of the traffic associated
to it with Dunham road and the music

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theater and all of the comings buildings
that down there will all be moved

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elsewhere and other traffic volumes will
be moved in is so when that day comes it's

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not around the corner when it comes to all
of the traffic issues on Brimble will

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largely dissipate so for all these reasons
you know you we think that our traffic

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numbers are very conservative and from
your perspective are highly reliable.

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And I think area we once
we hear further for

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a from our traffic consultant and I hope
that if my neighbors I listen to you with

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an open mind. That they
will be persuaded that

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the impacts here are not going to be what
they fear. And that Brimble live and.

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Well as I say I hope that the facts and
the analysis will allay some of the

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concerns some of the the fears we feel very
confident that the impacts will not be

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what my neighbors fear. And that overall
that I that this project in every respect

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is going to be an asset. To the city and
that the traffic impacts will not be

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problematic. Let me I introduce run
Mueller who's done the traffic study will

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review the methodology assumptions and
some of the numbers for you thank you

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grieving for the record from your.

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I guess this move. To go back.

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For the record my name is Ron Mueller
and principal with the wrong Miller and

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associates and

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a registered professional driving engineer
in the Commonwealth and what I'd like to

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do tonight is to present you with the
facts of the traffic study. You can take

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these facts and make up your own minds about
whether or not you think the increase

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in traffic is significant. Or whether the
impact of that additional traffic is

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significant but ultimately I think you
know what you need to do also is rely on

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your own consultant to tell you from

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a professional engineering standpoint whether
those impacts are significant and if

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there are things that need to be done to
mitigate those impacts as you know the

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original traffic study was based on

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a much larger development over 60000
square feet of retail space as well as

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a 20000 square feet 2nd floor office space
the 2nd floor office space has since

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been removed from the development
plans and partly in response to

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comments by t.c.

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But also. In response to

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a comment that was made at the 1st planning
board meeting that I was add where I

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gave

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a brief overview of the study it was requested
that the analysis be revised to reflect

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the actual development so we have
since done that in the form of

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a response to T.C.'s comments reanalyzed
all of the intersections with and without

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the project under the current development
scheme. And presented those analysis to

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t.c. . And as I'm sure
you'll hear later from t.c.

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About their review of that analysis so let
me give you just. Some of the facts from

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the traffic so you rich Rafiq study is
generally comprised of 3 basic parts one

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is to establish the existing conditions
what's happening around this particular

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area within the study area currently then
projecting future traffic conditions

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which basically says in

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a 7 year design horizon which we're required
to analyze based on state standards

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what are the conditions going to be like
both with and without the project and then

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finally one of the impacts of the
project how do we mitigate that.

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And this graphic shows you the study area
that we have included in that traffic

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analysis and as Steve mentioned earlier
it basically ranges from the intersection

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of dark street and you know on street to
the north and dodge and Laurel at this

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location down to the road intersections
as 128 and the change ramps the connector

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road at both Sawyer road and from the lab
new and heading south down to Eric street

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and continuing further south out of
colon street and Essex it's quite

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a large study area and as Steve mentioned
before it was done at the request of the

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city planner to make sure that we cover
all of the impacts of this project might

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have. We perform traffic counts at each
one of these locations during the morning

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peak from 79 am in the afternoon p.

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From 4 to 6 pm the point of those counts
is to establish what traffic conditions

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are like during commuter rush
Alice and we also studied

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a conductor traffic counts on

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a Saturday from 11 am to 2 pm
to. Cover the time period when

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a shopping center typically generates the
greatest volume of traffic so we sort of

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cover all bases by analyzing traffic impacts
during commuter rush hour as well as

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a time period when the project will
generate the greatest line of traffic we've

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also done

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a complete inventory of each of these
locations from traffic control to Geo metrics

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and lane works all of which is used in the
analysis of these intersections and in

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turning what the impacts of the
project on we've also performed

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a thorough accident analysis over

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a 3 year period covering the most recent
recent 3 years of available data that

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information showed us that. All of these
locations with the exception of one fell

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below the state average and
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a number of accidents only tells you

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a part of the picture you really have
to compare it to the volume of traffic

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through each and

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a section to determine the significance and
what the state has done is they've come

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up with statewide average accident rates.
And if an intersection falls above that

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rate there could be

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a safety concern which would bend warrant
further further investigation the only

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intersection that exceeded that average
that statewide average was the intersection

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of Sawyer road and the connect the road
that particular location at an average of 4

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accidents per year and
as you know the state

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and the city have an improvement project
to upgrade and completely change the

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traffic draw at that location
which we'll get into

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a little bit later but these actions we
expect will solve the accident concerns at

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that location. We've also performed
speed studies on all 3 roadways saw

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a road connect the road and rumble Avenue
those speed information that's been

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information was then used to establish what
the minimum sight line requirements are

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because at each of the drivers

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a need to make sure that there is adequate
line of sight for exit in vehicles to

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see oncoming traffic and what we found based
on those speeds and those requirements

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which are going to set forth by the state
that all driver locations exceed the

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requirements. The next step in the process
of Venice to analyze each of these

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intersections under existing conditions
again using the peak hour count data which

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is then one hour between 7 and 91
hour between $4.00 and $6.00 on

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a weekday and one hour
between 11 am and 2 pm on

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a Saturday. Basically establishing how
these intersections operate today what

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better information tells us is that the
route want to incarcerate intersection

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operates at acceptable
levels today referred to as

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a level of service be now I'm sure you're
all familiar with the levels of service

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but for the benefit of the public levels
of service are basically defined into

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levels a through f.

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Not to be confused to worth the grades
that your children may get in school it's

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a completely different thing generally
there for peak hour operations level. A

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b. C. Is considered a very
desirable level the c. And d.

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Is considered an acceptable level during
peak hour operations and level f.

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Is then going into the unacceptable level
meaning you have some pretty long delays

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for motorists doesn't necessarily mean
that it's unsafe it simply means long and

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longer delays that most people are
willing to accept. Dr Laurel Street

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is

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a problem look Asian today it is calculated
after level of service very long delays

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on the Laurel Street f.

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Level correct very long delays on the
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predominantly

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a result of the train crossing that is right
there between that and the section and

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the street intersection. Down the road and
brindle Avenue intersection currently

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operates at sea level acceptable delays
the southbound ramp also sea level are in

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the pm and Saturday conditions but an f.

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Level actually during the morning peak
because every volume of traffic coming in

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the morning to the industrial
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no big surprise both of the connect the
road intersections with me and Sawyer road

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currently operate at enough

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a level of service very difficult to make
left turns from the connector road onto

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the streets.

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That.

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Erik street is another location that
we studied similar situation the f.

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Level of service during the morning and
afternoon peaks. Difficult to make

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a left turn from Herrick onto Bramble
Avenue Saturday volumes are significantly

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lower coming out of Herrick street
so it actually operates at a c.

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Level on

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a Saturday. To call in street and bramble
Ave in the section very similar operates

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at an f. a Level morning and afternoon
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Level which is an acceptable level on

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a Saturday. And then the Brimble Ave in
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There's

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a very heavy volume of right turning traffic
from Burma lobby onto Essex through

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00:38:59.220 --> 00:39:02.690
a very few left turning vehicles making
that movement because you do have the

437
00:39:02.700 --> 00:39:08.800
ability to make left turns by the calling
street intersection but there are but all

438
00:39:08.810 --> 00:39:12.380
it takes is one of 2 left turning vehicles
to basically block right turning traffic

439
00:39:12.390 --> 00:39:16.740
so the entire approach on Brundle
Avenue is calculated as an f.

440
00:39:16.750 --> 00:39:23.472
Level with long delays during all
3 peak hours so that establishes

441
00:39:24.112 --> 00:39:28.332
what is happening out here today the next
step like I said is establishing what the

442
00:39:28.342 --> 00:39:30.652
future conditions are
going to be like within

443
00:39:30.662 --> 00:39:36.653
a 7 to 7 year design horizon both with and
without the project so in order to get

444
00:39:36.813 --> 00:39:40.263
to or estimate what the traffic
will be in the future we've done

445
00:39:40.303 --> 00:39:45.083
a number of things The 1st is based on
Central transportation planning staff

446
00:39:45.423 --> 00:39:48.233
traffic projections for the region as

447
00:39:48.243 --> 00:39:55.225
a whole they estimate that population
will grow at approximately 0.5 percent

448
00:39:55.235 --> 00:39:56.305
pm actually quite

449
00:39:56.345 --> 00:40:00.435
a little bit less than that but we've
assumed for the purposes of the study half

450
00:40:00.445 --> 00:40:05.227
a percent per year growth rate over 7
years in addition to that cell signalling

451
00:40:05.477 --> 00:40:09.537
since the traffic counts were performed has
added 100 employees to their operations

452
00:40:09.547 --> 00:40:14.377
that we've included those and then as Steve
mentioned before there are 2 Cummings

453
00:40:15.237 --> 00:40:19.867
projects on Dunham road one is 48 going
to the road which is about 545000 square

454
00:40:19.877 --> 00:40:25.647
feet of office and already. And the 2nd is
52 down on road which is another 143000

455
00:40:25.657 --> 00:40:31.097
square feet of office and research and
development space so we've taken the traffic

456
00:40:31.107 --> 00:40:36.737
from all 3 of these projects. As
well as a half a half the half

457
00:40:36.747 --> 00:40:41.767
a percent per year growth rate added that
on to these streets and the traffic study

458
00:40:42.597 --> 00:40:43.927
to develop what we refer to as

459
00:40:43.937 --> 00:40:49.447
a no build condition no build meaning 7
year design horizon traffic projections but

460
00:40:49.607 --> 00:40:50.007
without

461
00:40:50.327 --> 00:40:58.173
a project. The other factor. That

462
00:40:58.183 --> 00:41:02.903
comes into play with the future drafting
conditions obviously is the city of

463
00:41:02.913 --> 00:41:04.063
Beverly in

464
00:41:04.073 --> 00:41:08.253
a change improvement project for extra tax
of 19 and I'm not going to go through

465
00:41:08.343 --> 00:41:11.833
and explain to you exactly what those
improvements are unless you have specific

466
00:41:11.843 --> 00:41:15.703
questions about that I think everyone
by now is familiar with the major

467
00:41:15.713 --> 00:41:20.393
improvements there which include adding
roundabouts at the 2 ends of the connect

468
00:41:20.403 --> 00:41:22.203
the road one of Sawyer road want to bring

469
00:41:22.213 --> 00:41:28.893
a lot of new. A. An improvement at
the southbound ramp intersection

470
00:41:29.363 --> 00:41:32.803
with Rumble Avenue which
includes the ability to make

471
00:41:32.813 --> 00:41:39.235
a left turn from the ramp and its 2 stage
process. And then the 3rd thing is

472
00:41:39.735 --> 00:41:40.065
adding

473
00:41:40.075 --> 00:41:45.736
a traffic signal at the intersection of
Herrick street and Turmel Avenue so. You

474
00:41:45.746 --> 00:41:49.636
have these improvement projects that are
planned by the city and mass d.o.t.

475
00:41:49.986 --> 00:41:56.226
In addition to that Cummings project as
agreed to make some improvements to offset

476
00:41:56.236 --> 00:41:57.916
their impacts and those include

477
00:41:57.926 --> 00:42:04.267
a widening Dunham road to provide 2 approach
lanes to Brundle Avenue and they've

478
00:42:04.277 --> 00:42:10.067
also agreed should the need arise in the
future to fund the cost of installing

479
00:42:10.077 --> 00:42:14.067
a traffic signal both a done on
road and at the southbound ramp and

480
00:42:14.077 --> 00:42:20.908
a section now as

481
00:42:20.918 --> 00:42:27.720
far as the. Adding in so that
basically establishes that no

482
00:42:27.730 --> 00:42:32.850
build conditions to establish the build
conditions which is with the development

483
00:42:32.860 --> 00:42:39.030
project in place we estimate traffic we
distribute that traffic and then again we

484
00:42:39.040 --> 00:42:45.350
analyze what the impacts of that that
additional traffic are. As David mentioned

485
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:50.000
before we use what's referred to these the
Institute of Transportation engineers to

486
00:42:50.010 --> 00:42:52.600
develop how much drought
establish how much traffic

487
00:42:52.610 --> 00:42:57.180
a particular land use will generate and
what we've done for this particular project

488
00:42:57.740 --> 00:43:03.690
is use both supermarket trip generation
rates which are substantially higher than

489
00:43:03.790 --> 00:43:07.910
shopping center traffic and we've also
used shopping center trip rates for the

490
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:12.280
remainder of the development so we have
about 35000 square feet of supermarket and

491
00:43:12.290 --> 00:43:18.922
we have about. 30. 1000 square feet

492
00:43:19.802 --> 00:43:24.982
of shopping center remaining
shopping center space that produces

493
00:43:25.022 --> 00:43:30.452
a conservative estimate on traffic generation
because if you assume the individual

494
00:43:30.462 --> 00:43:36.172
uses that are being planned for the remainder
of the shop and the 31000 square feet

495
00:43:36.682 --> 00:43:38.612
it would actually result
in that Steve said about

496
00:43:38.622 --> 00:43:45.032
a 20 percent reduction in traffic generation.
But again because we try to test the

497
00:43:45.042 --> 00:43:45.282
road to

498
00:43:45.292 --> 00:43:51.113
a system because we want to be conservative
and. Make sure that we cover our bases

499
00:43:51.123 --> 00:43:56.243
in case there is some fluctuation in that
traffic generation we we went with the

500
00:43:56.253 --> 00:43:59.843
higher numbers also numbers
that were recommended by t.c.

501
00:43:59.843 --> 00:44:03.373
. Also as recommended by t.c.

502
00:44:03.383 --> 00:44:03.693
We used

503
00:44:03.703 --> 00:44:08.483
a lower pass by rate even though as Steve
mentioned the likelihood of this particular

504
00:44:08.493 --> 00:44:09.363
location having

505
00:44:09.373 --> 00:44:18.594
a greater pass by percentage being
so close to 128 is very real. So

506
00:44:19.264 --> 00:44:22.594
let me just give you some numbers here
again because I just want to throw out the

507
00:44:22.604 --> 00:44:29.256
facts of this project and of the traffic
study. Morning peak hour is the

508
00:44:29.266 --> 00:44:33.806
lowest traffic generation period for
retail establishment I think doesn't take

509
00:44:33.816 --> 00:44:38.166
anybody by surprise but essentially doing
the morning peak the whole project would

510
00:44:38.176 --> 00:44:44.716
add 120 new trips to the. Surrounding the
adjacent streets or in the afternoon peak

511
00:44:44.766 --> 00:44:51.171
it would add $370.00 new trips to the
surrounding streets. And during the Saturday

512
00:44:51.181 --> 00:44:55.391
peak because Saturdays when shopping centers
generate the most amount of traffic it

513
00:44:55.401 --> 00:45:02.313
would add $548.00 new trips to the
surrounding streets so then the next

514
00:45:02.323 --> 00:45:06.523
step is to distribute that traffic to
determine really what the impacts are.

515
00:45:12.405 --> 00:45:16.997
This graphic right here shows you might be

516
00:45:17.007 --> 00:45:22.487
a little difficult to read but our
estimate of where this traffic will go

517
00:45:25.528 --> 00:45:31.728
to the north north of 128 we estimate about
15 percent of the traffic on Brundle

518
00:45:31.738 --> 00:45:37.350
Avenue which ends up at the Laurel and
Oxford in the Section 5 percent heading

519
00:45:37.390 --> 00:45:42.480
going to and from Dodge street and the
other 15 for 10 percent on in on street to

520
00:45:42.490 --> 00:45:49.242
and from the north on 128 we expect
about 30 percent of the traffic from

521
00:45:49.852 --> 00:45:55.302
the west or south however you want to refer
to 128 and about 15 percent from the

522
00:45:55.362 --> 00:45:58.103
from the east saw

523
00:45:58.113 --> 00:46:03.034
a road we expect about 15 percent of the
traffic and bramble Avenue will see the

524
00:46:03.044 --> 00:46:06.584
remains to the south will see the remainder
with about 25 percent of the traffic

525
00:46:07.367 --> 00:46:12.637
south of the project 5 percent to and
from Herrick street 5 percent to and from

526
00:46:12.647 --> 00:46:18.187
called St which ends up at Essex to be at
this location and 15 percent come from

527
00:46:18.197 --> 00:46:23.009
the south on Essex Street and that
distribution as I'm sure you'll hear from your

528
00:46:23.019 --> 00:46:26.769
own consultant as well has been
thoroughly reviewed by g.e.c.

529
00:46:27.629 --> 00:46:32.879
They've done a complete
gravity model to stress from

530
00:46:32.919 --> 00:46:38.569
a slightly different perspective where
traffic will come from and it's actually.

531
00:46:40.139 --> 00:46:45.049
Almost identical to the numbers that you
see here they actually are projecting

532
00:46:45.169 --> 00:46:50.879
slightly more traffic to and from 128 and
these numbers assume they get but again

533
00:46:50.889 --> 00:46:55.069
we're trying to be conservative and by
conservative I mean what is the greatest

534
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:56.369
impact on local roads

535
00:47:04.399 --> 00:47:09.280
now with regard to access to the site.
You see the 3 curb cuts that are being

536
00:47:09.290 --> 00:47:16.170
proposed one Bramble Avenue one on Connect
the road and the one on Sawyer road. As

537
00:47:16.180 --> 00:47:20.150
Steve mentioned before the Sawyer road
axis has been introduced as something

538
00:47:20.190 --> 00:47:24.300
relatively new at least since the original
traffic study was prepared it did not

539
00:47:24.310 --> 00:47:29.321
assume that but in response to comments
that we got from nasty o.t. As well as t.c.

540
00:47:30.261 --> 00:47:35.301
We decided that access on Sawyer road
would further reduce the impacts of this

541
00:47:35.311 --> 00:47:40.871
project without the Sawyer road access all
of the traffic that 30 percent that we

542
00:47:40.881 --> 00:47:47.281
show exit in would have to come out on.
Connect the road and then basically make

543
00:47:47.291 --> 00:47:47.531
a u.

544
00:47:47.541 --> 00:47:54.451
Turn around the bramble Avenue roundabout and
then go through the Sawyer road roundabout

545
00:47:54.491 --> 00:47:58.361
so we're unnecessarily sending traffic
through these 2 roundabouts when we really

546
00:47:58.371 --> 00:48:03.961
don't have to we can send them to through
just one roundabout to make their turns

547
00:48:03.971 --> 00:48:09.852
either to Sawyer road or north to
128 similarly entering traffic.

548
00:48:11.032 --> 00:48:15.122
Without this axis traffic would also have
to go through the Sawyer road roundabout

549
00:48:15.252 --> 00:48:19.042
and then enter via the connector
road whereas having the drive on saw

550
00:48:19.052 --> 00:48:23.522
a road allows these people to. Come
right in without even going through any

551
00:48:23.532 --> 00:48:25.244
roundabouts so it makes

552
00:48:25.254 --> 00:48:29.474
a lot of sense it distributes the traffic
over 3 different locations it minimizes

553
00:48:29.484 --> 00:48:33.404
the impacts of the project on the 2 roundabouts
and provides the greatest amount of

554
00:48:33.414 --> 00:48:39.180
capacity for the for the various traffic
movements through this area. I should

555
00:48:39.190 --> 00:48:43.350
point out that the Sawyer road roundabout
is proposed to be a write in only and

556
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:48.140
a right out only no left turns allowed no
left turns on the left turns out and the

557
00:48:48.150 --> 00:48:54.670
reason for that is to again minimize the
impact of traffic left turn movements

558
00:48:54.710 --> 00:48:56.410
especially left turns out cause

559
00:48:56.420 --> 00:49:01.230
a lot of delays cause the potential
for accidents so we try to minimize.

560
00:49:03.340 --> 00:49:08.350
Those movements to the greatest extent
that we can similarly the connector road

561
00:49:08.470 --> 00:49:15.441
right in and right out and you also very
similar right and right out but we do also

562
00:49:15.451 --> 00:49:20.591
proposed to allow left turns and because
again why would we want to send 25 percent

563
00:49:20.601 --> 00:49:25.551
of the traffic that's entering through 2
roundabouts to be able to access the site

564
00:49:26.001 --> 00:49:29.051
the mass the o t improvement
project proposes to provide

565
00:49:29.061 --> 00:49:34.381
a left turn lane in this direction for
access into this project so we make use of

566
00:49:34.391 --> 00:49:39.602
that left turn lane and allow a
safe access through providing

567
00:49:39.612 --> 00:49:43.732
a left turn lane specific for that movement
so they'll be out of the way of through

568
00:49:43.742 --> 00:49:48.072
traffic they will not impede through
traffic and they will be able to wait for

569
00:49:48.112 --> 00:49:49.282
a gap in traffic to make

570
00:49:49.322 --> 00:49:56.213
a turn so

571
00:49:56.223 --> 00:50:02.324
after we generated traffic for this project
we distributed the traffic based on the

572
00:50:02.334 --> 00:50:08.414
numbers I just gave you. Again let me
give you some. Quick numbers on what the

573
00:50:08.454 --> 00:50:15.165
increase in traffic will be on the various
roads. New south just south of the site

574
00:50:15.175 --> 00:50:20.635
right in. You would have. And I'm going to
skip the morning peak because again the

575
00:50:20.645 --> 00:50:26.185
morning numbers are very very small the
more critical ones are the pm peak in the

576
00:50:26.195 --> 00:50:31.877
Saturday peak so. On to and from the south
you would have an increase of $74.00

577
00:50:31.887 --> 00:50:38.367
trips that's total of both directions.
And on the Saturday about 110 trips

578
00:50:39.747 --> 00:50:45.451
to put that in perspective as Steve mentioned
before 110 trips. That's total of all

579
00:50:45.461 --> 00:50:51.503
directions is less than 2 cars per minute
added to brown the lab would be less than

580
00:50:51.513 --> 00:50:52.393
that on a p.n.p.

581
00:50:53.384 --> 00:51:00.085
To the north and. That would be
north of the 128 interchange

582
00:51:01.107 --> 00:51:05.417
we would see 54 additional trips in
the pm and 82 additional trips on

583
00:51:05.427 --> 00:51:12.138
a Saturday and similar
numbers on Sawyer road. 86

584
00:51:12.148 --> 00:51:14.198
trips on a pm and 82 trips on

585
00:51:14.208 --> 00:51:20.160
a Saturday so those are the real numbers
those are the numbers that. As I'm sure

586
00:51:20.170 --> 00:51:21.160
you'll hear from t.c.

587
00:51:21.170 --> 00:51:26.103
They've concurred worth. So those
are the impacts of the project

588
00:51:29.094 --> 00:51:30.404
with regard to level of service

589
00:51:42.206 --> 00:51:48.587
with regard to level of service. No change
in the level of service at the northern

590
00:51:49.037 --> 00:51:53.327
sections of street in dark street or dark
street or Laurel Street on street will

591
00:51:53.337 --> 00:51:55.597
continue to operate at
a desirable level b.

592
00:51:56.427 --> 00:51:59.677
And Laurel Avenue Laurel Street
will continue to operate at an f.

593
00:51:59.687 --> 00:52:03.537
Level of service. Add more traffic it's
not going to get better obviously.

594
00:52:07.329 --> 00:52:12.309
The Dunham road intersection.
Will operate at

595
00:52:12.319 --> 00:52:17.579
a acceptable levels. In the morning
peak and on Saturday p. D. And c.

596
00:52:17.589 --> 00:52:24.529
Level of service and an 11 hour service
during the. pm peak because that's when you

597
00:52:24.539 --> 00:52:29.259
have $300.00 roughly 300000 square feet
of additional development all coming out

598
00:52:29.269 --> 00:52:35.470
during the pm peak hour but as I mentioned
before. Cummings has agreed to fund the

599
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:40.610
cost of signal if and when that signal is
needed at that intersection and if it is

600
00:52:40.620 --> 00:52:43.120
installed that intersection
would operate at

601
00:52:43.130 --> 00:52:48.112
a much better levels of service. The numbers
I'm giving you do not assume seconds.

602
00:52:50.624 --> 00:52:56.214
At the. Southbound ramps. Still
acceptable levels of service on

603
00:52:56.224 --> 00:53:00.020
a pm and Saturday. And still at an f

604
00:53:00.030 --> 00:53:03.920
a level of service in the morning but again
these numbers do not assume the signal

605
00:53:03.930 --> 00:53:08.880
that it could be installed by come by
Cummings at some point in the future and

606
00:53:08.890 --> 00:53:15.362
again the need for that signal will be
determined by the city although the

607
00:53:15.372 --> 00:53:19.692
connector road intersections with Sawyer
road and we're Bramble Avenue would

608
00:53:19.702 --> 00:53:22.102
actually improve significantly to an

609
00:53:22.112 --> 00:53:27.562
a level of service under future projections
both with and without the project.

610
00:53:29.074 --> 00:53:34.274
The project has with this axis configuration
and very minimal impact on the

611
00:53:34.284 --> 00:53:40.364
operations of those locations little cueing
between the 2 roundabouts will be well

612
00:53:40.374 --> 00:53:44.425
within the storage capacities being
provided under the mass start interchange

613
00:53:44.435 --> 00:53:51.097
project Similarly with Eric St with the
installation of the traffic signal

614
00:53:51.767 --> 00:53:58.620
we expect levels aid to be level
store in all 3 peak hours and no big

615
00:53:58.630 --> 00:54:05.070
surprise rumbling call and call in an s 6
and also will continue to operate at an

616
00:54:05.080 --> 00:54:05.240
f.

617
00:54:05.250 --> 00:54:12.162
Level of service because they do so
under current conditions. They are

618
00:54:12.172 --> 00:54:16.142
all 3 sided driveways would
operate of levels b. To c.

619
00:54:16.832 --> 00:54:23.744
So. Especially considering that with the
exception of left turns into the side from

620
00:54:23.754 --> 00:54:25.304
Bramble Ave every other movement is

621
00:54:25.314 --> 00:54:29.654
a writer and movement which is why you
achieve these really good levels of service

622
00:54:32.344 --> 00:54:39.181
so how do we mitigate. The 3 real locations
that are projected to operate at poor

623
00:54:39.191 --> 00:54:42.991
levels or and actually I let me reiterate
that currently operate at poor level of

624
00:54:43.001 --> 00:54:49.241
service. There will be as I mentioned
additional growth from some strictly

625
00:54:49.251 --> 00:54:55.491
population growth from Cummings development
projects from the signalling employees

626
00:54:55.501 --> 00:55:00.041
and from this development project that
will all add to these existing problem

627
00:55:00.051 --> 00:55:04.771
cations So what I've done is I've
looked into some measures that could be

628
00:55:04.781 --> 00:55:10.541
implemented to alleviate those
conditions at the Broom Street in

629
00:55:10.551 --> 00:55:13.971
a section. 8 installing

630
00:55:13.981 --> 00:55:17.841
a traffic circle and that location would
certainly solve the problems at that

631
00:55:18.041 --> 00:55:22.161
intersection in fact would allow level
of service be to see operations very

632
00:55:22.371 --> 00:55:28.643
desirable levels for peak hours. At
the rumble of an Essex Street in

633
00:55:28.653 --> 00:55:34.553
a section widening of. Rubble ave you to
provide separate left and right turn lanes

634
00:55:34.563 --> 00:55:38.293
on its approach to Essex Street would
solve that problem because there are

635
00:55:38.473 --> 00:55:40.973
currently the right the
right turn volume which is

636
00:55:41.013 --> 00:55:45.623
a very significant is being blocked
by a few left turning vehicles and as

637
00:55:45.633 --> 00:55:47.813
a result of that the whole
approach operates at an f.

638
00:55:47.823 --> 00:55:49.213
Level if we provide

639
00:55:49.223 --> 00:55:53.603
a 2 lane approach that right turn volume
can operate at the sea level of service

640
00:55:55.674 --> 00:55:58.564
and then the street in Laurel Street on

641
00:55:58.574 --> 00:56:05.195
a section. Currently you have.
Laurel Street under stop sign

642
00:56:05.205 --> 00:56:10.895
control and our street under free flow
control as I'm sure you're all aware the

643
00:56:10.905 --> 00:56:17.285
intersection was signalised at some point.
Back in the mid 2000 and an effort to

644
00:56:17.295 --> 00:56:22.055
mitigate or improve traffic operations and
that signal was subsequently taken out

645
00:56:22.065 --> 00:56:26.545
in 2007 because it was found that it was
crook causing more problems than it was

646
00:56:26.555 --> 00:56:32.410
solving. So I'm not recommending that we
go back to looking into signal control

647
00:56:32.420 --> 00:56:35.970
there but one of the things that
could be done there is to put into

648
00:56:35.980 --> 00:56:40.220
a Stop control you leave the stop
sign on Laurel Street and you also at

649
00:56:40.230 --> 00:56:46.483
a stop sign on Dots read
westbound. You'll hear from t.

650
00:56:46.493 --> 00:56:52.713
You see that they are not entirely in
favor of that change and I think mostly

651
00:56:52.723 --> 00:56:59.594
because they are afraid that it may
reduce the volume of traffic that

652
00:56:59.604 --> 00:57:01.974
reaches the want a and r.

653
00:57:01.984 --> 00:57:08.215
Street intersection the signal lights signal
intersection so that if you don't have

654
00:57:08.255 --> 00:57:12.025
a constant stream of traffic approaching
that signal it will call for less screen

655
00:57:12.035 --> 00:57:17.445
time on that approach than what that approach
really needs because if you let them

656
00:57:17.485 --> 00:57:24.195
approach with certain gaps and traffic
then the signal may fact what's

657
00:57:24.205 --> 00:57:29.275
referred to as out every car that goes
over the loop detector on the road extends

658
00:57:29.285 --> 00:57:32.675
the green time until it reaches its
maximum if there's too much of

659
00:57:32.685 --> 00:57:38.145
a gap between cars it will actually turn
red before the can all of the demand is

660
00:57:38.295 --> 00:57:45.016
process. So one way to address
that situation is to increase

661
00:57:45.416 --> 00:57:51.036
the extension time increase the amount of
time that dark street would still get at

662
00:57:51.046 --> 00:57:57.106
the signal to accommodate that change what
we've agreed to do is to work with the

663
00:57:57.116 --> 00:58:00.316
city and. Coming up with

664
00:58:00.326 --> 00:58:06.426
a way to further investigate that as Steve
mentioned earlier we are not we have an

665
00:58:06.466 --> 00:58:10.276
iron out the complete mitigation package
for this project yet but that is one of

666
00:58:10.286 --> 00:58:16.081
the things that we're looking into doing.
And again whether we implement that or

667
00:58:16.091 --> 00:58:17.071
whether we contribute towards

668
00:58:17.081 --> 00:58:21.261
a fair share basis those are all things
that we will still need to work out

669
00:58:21.891 --> 00:58:26.461
similarly at these 2 Southern and
of sections call in Sweden that

670
00:58:26.471 --> 00:58:30.331
a 63 working with the parking and traffic
Commission and with the city planning

671
00:58:30.341 --> 00:58:35.571
staff to come up with a way that we can
mitigate our impacts at that location on

672
00:58:35.581 --> 00:58:42.574
a fair share basis so the In

673
00:58:42.584 --> 00:58:49.445
summary the facts that I've provided
to you. Today include not only

674
00:58:50.045 --> 00:58:53.825
the information that's presented in the
original traffic study but all of the work

675
00:58:53.835 --> 00:58:58.555
that we've done over the last couple of
months in responding to T.C.'s review and

676
00:58:58.565 --> 00:59:03.425
their comments. And the additional
information we've provided to t.c.

677
00:59:03.435 --> 00:59:10.175
Which they have completed their
review of as well. They had quite

678
00:59:10.185 --> 00:59:14.545
a number of comments on the original traffic
study but essentially they comprise

679
00:59:14.555 --> 00:59:20.646
the 4 major areas one had to do with the
traffic growth assumptions the other had

680
00:59:20.656 --> 00:59:25.487
to do with the truck generation assumptions
the 3rd had to do with the methodology

681
00:59:25.547 --> 00:59:31.097
that we used in analyzing the impacts of
the project and the last is on mitigation

682
00:59:31.137 --> 00:59:36.817
regarding fair share contributions but
I will let Mr Becker Brown from t.c.

683
00:59:37.327 --> 00:59:41.157
Give you an overview of her review unless
you have specific questions of me at this

684
00:59:41.167 --> 00:59:44.700
time Ok

685
00:59:51.442 --> 00:59:55.952
We're going to hold off on our questioning
that the planning board desk here until

686
00:59:55.992 --> 00:59:56.892
every Becker Brown has had

687
00:59:56.902 --> 01:00:01.792
a chance to talk and then we'll ask both
of you to stand by for our questions thank

688
01:00:01.802 --> 01:00:02.632
you thank you.

689
01:00:26.894 --> 01:00:30.204
So hopefully everyone can hear me
aright I'm kind of recovering from

690
01:00:30.214 --> 01:00:35.916
a cold so if you can hear me just let me
know. For the record my name is Rebecca

691
01:00:35.926 --> 01:00:37.656
Brown in here from t.c.

692
01:00:38.296 --> 01:00:43.970
We're located in the Orange Massachusetts
and we did conduct a. We did conduct

693
01:00:43.980 --> 01:00:48.150
a peer review of the original traffic
study that was prepared by Ron Miller and

694
01:00:48.160 --> 01:00:54.540
associates as well as the site plans
to review site circulation and

695
01:00:54.550 --> 01:01:01.240
access into the site and subsequent
response to comments from

696
01:01:01.250 --> 01:01:07.490
both. The from both Ron Mueller and
associates and from the site engineer in the

697
01:01:07.500 --> 01:01:10.570
major associates. To cover just

698
01:01:10.580 --> 01:01:16.090
a few of the items that were related to
the site circulation which I think that

699
01:01:16.300 --> 01:01:18.050
Steve actually Our he went over

700
01:01:18.060 --> 01:01:21.350
a number of those comments
pretty well but just to go over

701
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:25.910
a few of those comments that we had related
to site circulation so the original

702
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:29.400
plan that we looked at had proposed

703
01:01:30.030 --> 01:01:34.270
a write in right out access
onto the connector road and

704
01:01:34.310 --> 01:01:40.080
a write in right out and
left in. Via Bramble Avenue

705
01:01:41.050 --> 01:01:45.820
subsequent to that review one of the
things that we had identified as being an

706
01:01:45.830 --> 01:01:50.550
issue in the original traffic study is
that it was showing that as you are

707
01:01:50.560 --> 01:01:56.270
approaching the roundabout that is proposed
here at noon the connector road that

708
01:01:56.280 --> 01:02:01.810
the queue there was extending all the way
back into the Sawyer road roundabout

709
01:02:02.420 --> 01:02:06.700
under build conditions so that's with
the development traffic and with the

710
01:02:06.710 --> 01:02:13.590
projections into the 7 year design
horizon. So as the as Ron had already

711
01:02:13.870 --> 01:02:16.300
discussed they had looked at adding

712
01:02:16.310 --> 01:02:23.000
a secondary access negress out onto Sawyer
street which would in turn distribute

713
01:02:23.010 --> 01:02:25.910
the traffic more evenly on
those roadways and pull

714
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:30.750
a great deal of traffic away from that
proposed roundabout at the burble Avenue and

715
01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:36.750
connector road and or section. In addition
there are updated traffic study looked

716
01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:36.920
at

717
01:02:36.930 --> 01:02:43.051
a number of different. Other developments
which would be other projects that are going

718
01:02:43.061 --> 01:02:48.771
on in the area as compared to the original
traffic study so the original traffic

719
01:02:48.781 --> 01:02:53.631
study included all of the other development
traffic that was considered by mass

720
01:02:53.641 --> 01:02:54.211
d.o.t.

721
01:02:54.221 --> 01:03:00.121
When they were designing the 2 roundabouts
at either end of the connector road so

722
01:03:00.291 --> 01:03:06.871
that study really was prepared to provide
for long term growth in the area

723
01:03:07.401 --> 01:03:08.511
so there was

724
01:03:09.071 --> 01:03:14.591
a total of of approximately $1400.00 employees
that work and considered to be added

725
01:03:14.601 --> 01:03:20.661
for so signalling and for the hospital and
for some other developments in the area

726
01:03:20.991 --> 01:03:21.511
that would add

727
01:03:21.521 --> 01:03:25.791
a substantial amount of growth through
this area and all of that was included

728
01:03:25.801 --> 01:03:30.081
within the original traffic study that Ron
Mueller and associates had prepared so

729
01:03:30.091 --> 01:03:33.531
when you look at the 2 traffic studies the
original one that they did and the one

730
01:03:33.541 --> 01:03:37.521
that was in response to our comments you'll
see some pretty significant differences

731
01:03:37.531 --> 01:03:43.671
there in the analysis of the 2 roundabouts
and that is highly related to those 1400

732
01:03:43.681 --> 01:03:49.031
employees that they had previously shown
traveling through this area that generated

733
01:03:49.041 --> 01:03:54.091
a lot of traffic in addition it is because
they're now proposing to have the

734
01:03:54.101 --> 01:03:59.201
secondary access negress point out on
Sawyer road which we really see as being

735
01:03:59.211 --> 01:04:05.021
a substantial benefit and getting some
additional traffic out of the the connector

736
01:04:05.031 --> 01:04:10.761
road and burble Avenue intersection. So
those are really the changes that they've

737
01:04:10.771 --> 01:04:17.691
made to access to the site as far as
circulation through the site. They

738
01:04:17.701 --> 01:04:22.001
had previously shown that rate here in
this area up at the top of the Whole Foods

739
01:04:22.011 --> 01:04:27.111
Market that this was proposed to be 2 way
traffic flow which along the back of the

740
01:04:27.121 --> 01:04:33.441
building is one way traffic flow headed to
the north and so that that 2 way traffic

741
01:04:33.451 --> 01:04:37.041
flow really dead ended in this area
and didn't give any opportunity for

742
01:04:37.051 --> 01:04:41.681
a vehicle to turn around so they have
revised that now and made that one way all

743
01:04:41.691 --> 01:04:45.831
the way through they have added Do not
enter signs at the center clearly

744
01:04:45.841 --> 01:04:46.901
demonstrate that that is

745
01:04:46.941 --> 01:04:53.271
a one way traffic flow so that someone
won't become trapped in that area in

746
01:04:53.281 --> 01:04:57.921
addition as they did already know they did
add the sidewalk access down from Sawyer

747
01:04:57.931 --> 01:05:04.381
road into the front parcel of the
building. They've also added stop line

748
01:05:04.971 --> 01:05:08.941
here as they are approaching in from Sawyer
road that was not previously proposed

749
01:05:09.281 --> 01:05:13.941
so that as traffic is coming in off of
Sawyer road it will have to stop at this

750
01:05:13.951 --> 01:05:19.701
location here and yield to traffic that
is coming along this main access IOW they

751
01:05:19.711 --> 01:05:26.101
also added in access to the service area
here which is to be used for recycling and

752
01:05:26.111 --> 01:05:29.351
trash for buildings b. And c.

753
01:05:29.351 --> 01:05:36.022
. So they added in access to that service
area as well. One of the other changes

754
01:05:36.032 --> 01:05:40.232
that they made is that we had noted that
the parking that was provided on the site

755
01:05:40.832 --> 01:05:47.512
was far in excess of what was required for.
The town zoning ordinances so they have

756
01:05:47.522 --> 01:05:50.892
actually provided some areas
of bank parking which includes

757
01:05:50.902 --> 01:05:56.422
a section right here along the l'Avenir
where there are showing I believe it's 10

758
01:05:56.722 --> 01:06:01.832
parking spaces that they're banking for
potential future construction if those are

759
01:06:01.842 --> 01:06:08.391
determined to be needed. In that same area
they had they previously mentioned that

760
01:06:08.401 --> 01:06:12.601
the drive through. Previously did not have

761
01:06:12.641 --> 01:06:18.611
a bypass area so that if someone were to
enter into the drive through. They would

762
01:06:19.131 --> 01:06:22.541
essentially be trapped in there until they
were able to get out if if they wanted

763
01:06:22.551 --> 01:06:23.491
to so they have added

764
01:06:23.771 --> 01:06:28.481
a bypass area which also provides additional
room for emergency vehicle access

765
01:06:28.491 --> 01:06:31.241
around the building as
well so they have provided

766
01:06:31.251 --> 01:06:36.821
a bypass for those to drive
through. They also did provide.

767
01:06:37.981 --> 01:06:43.691
Crosswalks to provide pedestrian access to
the front of the bank as well from those

768
01:06:43.701 --> 01:06:49.111
parking spaces in that area. The one
remaining comment that has not yet been

769
01:06:49.121 --> 01:06:53.601
addressed on the site plan that we had was
for the couple of parking spaces that

770
01:06:53.611 --> 01:06:57.411
are located right here where those vehicles
backing in and out of those parking

771
01:06:57.421 --> 01:07:02.291
spaces would be backing into where traffic
is exiting the drive thru so we had

772
01:07:02.301 --> 01:07:07.451
recommended that those couple of parking
spaces be removed. So that someone isn't

773
01:07:07.461 --> 01:07:11.681
backing into the drive thru us 3 lanes are
potentially trying to come out of the

774
01:07:11.691 --> 01:07:13.601
drive through we did have

775
01:07:13.611 --> 01:07:19.111
a common related to the drive thru access
where the 3 lanes that are coming out all

776
01:07:19.121 --> 01:07:19.901
come out into

777
01:07:19.911 --> 01:07:25.221
a single stop line where you could potentially
have car to car skewing next to each

778
01:07:25.231 --> 01:07:29.061
other that may want to go different directions
where there may be the potential for

779
01:07:29.071 --> 01:07:35.241
the collision they did responded to to
that by noting that although there are 3

780
01:07:35.251 --> 01:07:39.171
lanes coming out one of those is really for
the bypass So it's it will very rarely

781
01:07:39.181 --> 01:07:45.201
be used and for the other 2 lanes they will
only be serviced by one teller so it's

782
01:07:45.211 --> 01:07:50.051
unlikely that they'll be cars coming out
of both lanes simultaneously so we did

783
01:07:50.061 --> 01:07:55.811
agree that that is fine. For that access
with the 3 lanes coming out in that area

784
01:07:55.821 --> 01:07:58.991
but we would still recommend that those
couple of parking spaces right here become

785
01:07:59.001 --> 01:08:04.741
or be removed and the last comment that we
had that they have addressed as well was

786
01:08:04.751 --> 01:08:09.361
for access into the site from Brimble
Avenue where their truck turning templates

787
01:08:09.591 --> 01:08:11.921
were previously showing that

788
01:08:11.931 --> 01:08:17.041
a truck turning in at that driveway would
clip the score of island that they had

789
01:08:17.401 --> 01:08:21.401
shown in the middle of the driveway so they
have modified that driveway slightly so

790
01:08:21.411 --> 01:08:25.991
that it will not need to
cross over that Islands as

791
01:08:26.001 --> 01:08:33.001
a vehicle and tears. So as I
mentioned we did review the

792
01:08:33.011 --> 01:08:39.711
traffic study as well as Ron Miller's
responses to our traffic study. What we did

793
01:08:39.721 --> 01:08:43.531
find with the original traffic study is
that it was extremely conservative in the

794
01:08:43.541 --> 01:08:48.111
numbers that they had originally applied
and that was part of the reason why we saw

795
01:08:48.121 --> 01:08:53.991
the long queues at the 22 roundabouts
located immediately adjacent to the site

796
01:08:54.611 --> 01:08:59.341
their original traffic study had included
those significant other development

797
01:08:59.351 --> 01:09:05.061
projects that I previously mentioned but
it had also included 20000 square feet of

798
01:09:05.421 --> 01:09:07.701
office space on the site which

799
01:09:07.711 --> 01:09:12.681
a sense been removed so they did do an
update of their traffic study which removed

800
01:09:12.721 --> 01:09:14.781
those other developments to provide

801
01:09:14.821 --> 01:09:20.191
a more realistic representation of what
the traffic would be like under opening

802
01:09:20.201 --> 01:09:21.231
your conditions or under

803
01:09:21.241 --> 01:09:26.951
a 7 year design horizon based on projects
that are tangible and have been formally

804
01:09:26.951 --> 01:09:33.832
. Formally applied to
the city. In addition

805
01:09:33.872 --> 01:09:38.822
they did update their site generated trip
analysis to remove that 20000 square feet

806
01:09:39.212 --> 01:09:44.662
of retail space or scuse me of office space
that was previously proposed in their

807
01:09:45.152 --> 01:09:48.652
trip generation estimates that
they did they did provide

808
01:09:48.662 --> 01:09:54.242
a comparison to what realistically they
anticipated to be generated by the project

809
01:09:54.562 --> 01:09:59.202
based on the tenants that there that
are known for the site which did show

810
01:09:59.212 --> 01:10:05.052
approximately a 20 percent reduction
from using. Land Use Code 20 which is

811
01:10:05.062 --> 01:10:10.072
a shopping center a general shopping center.
So it did show that there was about

812
01:10:10.082 --> 01:10:14.602
a 20 percent reduction however all of the
analysis that they included within the

813
01:10:14.612 --> 01:10:20.422
traffic study was based on the land use
code 20 the shopping center so they have

814
01:10:20.432 --> 01:10:25.452
used very conservative assumptions both for
other development traffic and for their

815
01:10:25.462 --> 01:10:32.372
own site generated trips
within their analysis. As Ron

816
01:10:32.382 --> 01:10:34.002
also mentioned t.c.

817
01:10:34.012 --> 01:10:35.372
Did prepare

818
01:10:35.412 --> 01:10:42.062
a gravity model that looked at the population
of the surrounding communities and

819
01:10:42.072 --> 01:10:46.802
typical travel characteristics for how
people would get to and from the site from

820
01:10:46.812 --> 01:10:52.452
each of those surrounding communities.
Taking into account competing opportunities

821
01:10:52.462 --> 01:10:57.432
for other Whole Foods or other grocery
stores in the area or similar retail within

822
01:10:57.442 --> 01:11:03.152
the area and adjusting for those
factors what we found is that the trip

823
01:11:03.162 --> 01:11:07.752
distribution characteristics from our
gravity model were very similar to run

824
01:11:07.762 --> 01:11:14.532
Mueller's And in fact were within 2 to 4
percent in each direction so and ours were

825
01:11:14.572 --> 01:11:21.142
as Ron already alluded to were slightly
higher for traffic on $128.00 so their

826
01:11:21.432 --> 01:11:26.272
assumptions in terms of the volume of
traffic on local roads also is conservative

827
01:11:26.282 --> 01:11:32.544
compared to what our analysis was
showing based on all of these factors

828
01:11:33.274 --> 01:11:38.824
where they were really showing impacts
was at 3 locations that Ron had already

829
01:11:38.834 --> 01:11:45.624
discussed so at the the 2
round of. Actually so then

830
01:11:45.974 --> 01:11:52.054
so at the 2 roundabout locations at Fermilab
new and that Sawyer road as I already

831
01:11:52.064 --> 01:11:53.714
mentioned master u.t.

832
01:11:53.724 --> 01:11:57.354
Did take into account when they did
their design of those 2 roundabouts

833
01:11:57.644 --> 01:12:02.834
a number of other projects one of which
included this project. As well as

834
01:12:02.844 --> 01:12:07.034
significant growth from from other
developments in the area as

835
01:12:07.044 --> 01:12:11.434
a result of that the analysis shows that
there is more than adequate capacity at

836
01:12:11.444 --> 01:12:17.304
those 2 roundabouts to accommodate the
traffic generated by this project so.

837
01:12:18.491 --> 01:12:24.211
The 3 locations where there really are an
impact from the project are down at the

838
01:12:24.221 --> 01:12:28.681
intersection of colon street and burble
Avenue where that intersection today is

839
01:12:28.691 --> 01:12:33.591
already operating at poor levels of service
and certainly any traffic that you add

840
01:12:33.601 --> 01:12:36.111
when you're at a level of service f.

841
01:12:36.121 --> 01:12:42.061
Already. Chuffing delay becomes sort of
an exponential curve at that point so

842
01:12:42.101 --> 01:12:43.511
a small amount of traffic can make

843
01:12:43.521 --> 01:12:47.901
a very large difference the other location
is down at Essex Street and burble

844
01:12:47.911 --> 01:12:54.901
Avenue. Where as Ron mentioned just one
or 2 left turns at that location can

845
01:12:54.911 --> 01:12:57.111
back up traffic because
it takes so long for

846
01:12:57.121 --> 01:13:02.871
a left turn or to be able to get out onto
Essex Street that it can result in long

847
01:13:02.881 --> 01:13:07.051
delays there as Ron Miller
had already mentioned

848
01:13:07.701 --> 01:13:12.851
a couple of improvements that could be
implemented at those 2 locations would be to

849
01:13:12.861 --> 01:13:13.431
install

850
01:13:13.471 --> 01:13:19.381
a traffic signal at the intersection of
Colin street knew the need for that traffic

851
01:13:19.391 --> 01:13:25.531
signal is already there today. It certainly
is warranted based on the existing

852
01:13:25.541 --> 01:13:30.921
traffic volumes and with the additional
traffic generated by this project that

853
01:13:30.931 --> 01:13:35.381
warranting condition will become even
higher so we had recommended that because

854
01:13:35.391 --> 01:13:41.361
that really is an improvement that is needed
today that. That the applicant provide

855
01:13:41.371 --> 01:13:44.401
a fair share contribution
towards the installation of

856
01:13:44.411 --> 01:13:47.611
a traffic signal at that
location and when I say

857
01:13:47.621 --> 01:13:52.171
a fair share contribution with that
essentially would be is that the cost of the

858
01:13:52.351 --> 01:13:59.301
signal we had estimated would be in the
range of about $150.00 to $170000.00 to

859
01:13:59.311 --> 01:14:01.351
construct Now that included

860
01:14:01.821 --> 01:14:07.811
a 25 percent contingency to account for
the design of that intersection as well.

861
01:14:09.510 --> 01:14:15.820
So based on the 15270000. Dollars
that it would take to construct that

862
01:14:16.410 --> 01:14:23.040
this project is estimated to increase traffic
through that intersection by about 7

863
01:14:23.050 --> 01:14:25.430
percent so when we apply

864
01:14:25.770 --> 01:14:32.320
a 7 percent to that 170000. Cost for the

865
01:14:32.330 --> 01:14:37.220
intersection there their fair share of
that would be approximately 7 percent of

866
01:14:37.230 --> 01:14:43.760
$150000.00 so I believe it worked out
to be about the $17000.00 that. That

867
01:14:44.140 --> 01:14:49.130
the fair share contribution for that
intersection was so similarly we had looked

868
01:14:49.140 --> 01:14:53.590
down at the Essex Street intersection where
again there are already improvements

869
01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:56.500
that are needed at that intersection
it's already operating at

870
01:14:56.510 --> 01:15:01.040
a poor level of service and certainly adding
any traffic through that intersection

871
01:15:02.010 --> 01:15:06.520
will exacerbate that situation so we
had recommended that they also provide

872
01:15:06.530 --> 01:15:11.940
a fair share contribution towards the
installation of an additional lane coming off

873
01:15:11.950 --> 01:15:17.280
of. New and on to Essex Street where they
had discussed providing separate left and

874
01:15:17.290 --> 01:15:21.430
right turn lanes. At that
location we are estimating about

875
01:15:21.440 --> 01:15:27.790
120250004 improvements at that location
and again that included the same

876
01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:34.270
contingency to account for the design
costs as well and based on their impacts.

877
01:15:35.440 --> 01:15:35.940
It was about

878
01:15:35.950 --> 01:15:41.520
a 10 percent impact on the southbound
approach of Brimble Avenue so the one that

879
01:15:41.530 --> 01:15:47.780
would actually require the additional lane.
So they had proposed providing about

880
01:15:47.790 --> 01:15:54.610
a $16000.00 fair share contribution towards
improvements intersection and both of

881
01:15:54.620 --> 01:16:00.390
those we had agreed in our most recent
comment letter. Where appropriate fair share

882
01:16:00.490 --> 01:16:05.550
contributions based on the level of impact
that this project would have on those

883
01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:11.640
locations the other. Area. Where there
really is an impact is about the Dodge

884
01:16:11.650 --> 01:16:18.220
street and Laurel Street intersection to
the north and as Ron mentioned really the

885
01:16:19.160 --> 01:16:24.520
the issue with that intersection is the
railroad track that is immediately adjacent

886
01:16:24.530 --> 01:16:25.720
to it that whenever

887
01:16:26.010 --> 01:16:29.630
a train comes through there and the gates
come down it stops traffic and both

888
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:36.150
directions for an extended period of
time and causes long delays on both. St

889
01:16:36.610 --> 01:16:38.760
And when those gates
go back up it can take

890
01:16:38.770 --> 01:16:44.070
a long time for the traffic to to finally
clear out in addition to that though

891
01:16:44.080 --> 01:16:49.040
there there are some inefficiencies with
the intersection because of the existing

892
01:16:49.050 --> 01:16:54.680
striping and signing that's in place if
you're approaching from Dodge street headed

893
01:16:54.690 --> 01:16:59.790
towards. St you'll notice that
there is what looks to be

894
01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:02.310
a stoplight and striped on the
roadway and that's actually

895
01:17:02.320 --> 01:17:07.150
a marking for the railroad track itself
but many people become confused as are

896
01:17:07.160 --> 01:17:09.870
approaching and don't really understand
that that's not supposed to be

897
01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:16.370
a stop. In addition traffic that's coming
up Laurel Street sees that stoplight and

898
01:17:16.380 --> 01:17:20.820
thinks that people need to stop
there too. In addition there is

899
01:17:20.830 --> 01:17:25.000
a sign there for the railroad track that
as you're coming up from Laurel Street it

900
01:17:25.010 --> 01:17:25.740
appears to be

901
01:17:25.750 --> 01:17:29.830
a stop sign so it looks like that traffic
is supposed to stop when you see the line

902
01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:34.700
and you see the sign next to each other
so it can be confusing to and result in

903
01:17:34.710 --> 01:17:39.660
a little bit of additional delay because
drivers are unaware particular plea for

904
01:17:39.670 --> 01:17:43.490
drivers who are not familiar with the area
of who's supposed to have the right of

905
01:17:43.500 --> 01:17:48.460
way at that location.
So providing the the 2

906
01:17:48.470 --> 01:17:52.950
a stop to stop traffic that's headed
westbound on Dodd street and traffic that's

907
01:17:52.960 --> 01:17:59.020
headed north down on the street may actually
improve that by reinforcing what the

908
01:17:59.400 --> 01:18:05.180
traffic control actually is but one of
our issues which I think Ron actually

909
01:18:05.190 --> 01:18:06.870
explained very well was

910
01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:12.540
a concern that if everyone who is headed
westbound towards in stree is required to

911
01:18:12.550 --> 01:18:19.500
stop it will extend the gaps that
occur between traffic. Which. When

912
01:18:19.510 --> 01:18:25.690
that happens right now the signal that
dodge an in in street is set so that

913
01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:30.130
it's looking at the gaps in traffic
and as long as there is traffic still

914
01:18:30.140 --> 01:18:34.510
approaching from Dodge street it will
extend the green time Street until the

915
01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:38.990
traffic clears out or until it reaches
its maximum amount of green time that's

916
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:43.640
allotted if all the vehicles are required
to stop it will create longer gaps in

917
01:18:43.650 --> 01:18:48.020
traffic and may result in the traffic
turning red before all the traffic is

918
01:18:48.030 --> 01:18:52.370
actually able to clear through on that
approach which could result in actually

919
01:18:52.380 --> 01:18:59.290
longer delays in the and as Ron mentioned
that can be adjusted but will require

920
01:18:59.300 --> 01:19:05.020
some coordination with.
As well. As route one

921
01:19:05.030 --> 01:19:11.450
a is under their jurisdiction but that
could. That could be an option to

922
01:19:11.870 --> 01:19:17.340
look at implementing the stop control on
those 2 approaches adjusting the signal

923
01:19:17.350 --> 01:19:23.970
timing at. Laurel Street and then monitoring
the intersection following to ensure

924
01:19:23.980 --> 01:19:25.880
that it actually is operating at

925
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:31.270
a better condition than what was previously
how it was previously operating.

926
01:19:32.961 --> 01:19:39.201
So these were essentially our findings
that their traffic analysis was extremely

927
01:19:39.211 --> 01:19:45.681
conservative and what they were showing
there was really 3 main areas that required

928
01:19:45.691 --> 01:19:50.861
mitigation 2 of those as I mentioned that
Brimble in coal industry and burble in

929
01:19:50.871 --> 01:19:52.871
Essex Street they have offered to provide

930
01:19:52.881 --> 01:19:59.281
a fair share contribution towards improvements
which we believe is reasonable based

931
01:19:59.291 --> 01:20:04.141
on the level of impact that they're showing
that they will have at that those 2

932
01:20:04.151 --> 01:20:09.661
locations and I think that the intersection
of Dodge 3 and Laurel Street need some

933
01:20:09.671 --> 01:20:14.531
further consideration to potentially
try this improvement that they have

934
01:20:14.811 --> 01:20:20.691
recommended and monitor those improvements
following implementation to see how well

935
01:20:20.701 --> 01:20:25.871
those operate I'd be happy to answer any
questions that you may have at this time

936
01:20:25.881 --> 01:20:30.761
unless you'd like to open it up to thank
you public Thank you Ron brush you want to

937
01:20:31.331 --> 01:20:35.911
try to back up there I'm going to bring up
this for the next 10 minutes or so we'll

938
01:20:35.921 --> 01:20:40.442
see how long we go to members of the
planning board so anyone who has

939
01:20:40.452 --> 01:20:46.026
a question is dramatic. I have

940
01:20:46.036 --> 01:20:52.256
a question for you
Rebecca. Is there any area

941
01:20:52.626 --> 01:20:57.806
or issue on which you sort of
fundamentally disagree with

942
01:20:58.016 --> 01:21:04.796
r m A's analysis where you you know
significantly depart in in how you view

943
01:21:04.806 --> 01:21:10.896
the impact of the proposed development or
are they is it on the margins if you will

944
01:21:10.896 --> 01:21:16.430
. So with their initial traffic study
that they had prepared we did have some

945
01:21:16.440 --> 01:21:23.290
significant discrepancies in our opinion
of the impact sources there's where they

946
01:21:23.300 --> 01:21:27.240
were suggesting that there was very
limited impact at the 2 roundabout

947
01:21:27.250 --> 01:21:32.800
intersections. As I mentioned the original
study was showing that there was long

948
01:21:32.810 --> 01:21:37.610
queues from the Brimble Avenue roundabout
that would back up through the Sawyer

949
01:21:37.620 --> 01:21:42.890
road intersection which we noted because
their analysis was showing very good

950
01:21:42.900 --> 01:21:47.590
operations at Sawyer road it wasn't taking
into account the fact that he was could

951
01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:53.660
extend back through. The analysis also
showed that on Brimble Avenue headed

952
01:21:53.670 --> 01:21:57.490
southbound towards that connector a
ground about that there would also be

953
01:21:57.500 --> 01:22:02.840
a very long queues during the Am peak period
actually which wasn't related to their

954
01:22:02.850 --> 01:22:08.530
site traffic but to existing traffic on the
roadway so we had noted those as being

955
01:22:08.540 --> 01:22:13.130
very problematic and asked them to take
another look at those when they did the

956
01:22:13.170 --> 01:22:19.790
updated analysis though that both removed
the 20000 square feet of development for

957
01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:24.940
the office had previously been proposed
as well as looking at more realistic

958
01:22:25.630 --> 01:22:29.930
traffic volumes for future your condition
based on projects that are actually

959
01:22:29.940 --> 01:22:36.720
tangible and actually proposed removing
those 1400 employees that what we found was

960
01:22:37.030 --> 01:22:43.840
the queues were much much shorter at those
intersections. Part of that too was

961
01:22:43.850 --> 01:22:49.520
related to adding in the soir road access
so by adding in that Sawyer road access

962
01:22:49.530 --> 01:22:54.090
it distributed the traffic
much more evenly and removed

963
01:22:54.100 --> 01:22:59.710
a lot of traffic from that Brimble Avenue
roundabout in order to reduce the queues

964
01:22:59.890 --> 01:23:03.770
on all approaches through that roundabout
so that was the main difference that we

965
01:23:03.780 --> 01:23:10.460
had initially with their analysis right
from the beginning we they had previously

966
01:23:10.470 --> 01:23:16.050
not recommended mitigation at the coal
industry and burble Avenue in Essex street

967
01:23:16.280 --> 01:23:19.980
intersections they had mentioned.
The potential need for

968
01:23:19.990 --> 01:23:24.460
a signal there and the need for an additional
lane Essex Street by not offered any

969
01:23:24.470 --> 01:23:27.810
mitigation at that time
so we recommended that at

970
01:23:27.820 --> 01:23:31.510
a minimum they provide the fair share
contribution which they did actually

971
01:23:31.520 --> 01:23:38.440
calculate and we do agree with the the
amount based on the volume of traffic

972
01:23:38.450 --> 01:23:44.250
that they would be adding
through the intersection had

973
01:23:44.260 --> 01:23:50.590
a little follow up so as of
today is there any significant.

974
01:23:52.490 --> 01:23:59.360
Issue that you have with. The
applicants traffic study no we

975
01:23:59.400 --> 01:24:03.910
do agree with all of the methodology that
they used to calculate the numbers and

976
01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:10.120
their study and with what the results of
the traffic study are showing the only one

977
01:24:10.130 --> 01:24:13.890
issue that remains really outstanding is
for the Dodge story in The Wall Street

978
01:24:13.900 --> 01:24:19.320
intersection and how to handle that because
there are obviously still some concerns

979
01:24:19.330 --> 01:24:25.720
with whether or not that mitigation option
will work but because of what's actually

980
01:24:25.730 --> 01:24:30.680
involved is very limited to and to
implement those improvements there is that

981
01:24:30.690 --> 01:24:34.510
opportunity to implement them monitor
the improvements and see if it's really

982
01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:38.690
working and adjust the signal timing
is if it's not to make that work

983
01:24:38.700 --> 01:24:43.410
a little bit better it is that
though. As to the dog treat that's

984
01:24:43.420 --> 01:24:46.970
a problem that exists today
irrespective of whether there's

985
01:24:46.980 --> 01:24:53.920
a development. Here that is absolutely
correct so it is an existing problem today

986
01:24:54.680 --> 01:24:55.780
and will continue to be

987
01:24:55.790 --> 01:25:00.510
a problem regardless of whether or not this
development most forward and one final

988
01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:05.180
question I want to jump in here my understanding
is that parking in traffic is not

989
01:25:05.190 --> 01:25:07.890
finalized their recommendations
to a so there are

990
01:25:08.160 --> 01:25:13.030
a couple of things that are still being
discussed so I think these folks have gone

991
01:25:13.040 --> 01:25:16.500
as far as they can go tonight but we
need some more information from parking

992
01:25:16.510 --> 01:25:19.881
traffic rights.

993
01:25:26.370 --> 01:25:32.910
My own now sorry about that
James Matt's. Question for the

994
01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:38.930
proponent army I guess right is that
Army right traffic engineer representing

995
01:25:38.940 --> 01:25:42.401
a proponent so just so I have my ducks in

996
01:25:42.411 --> 01:25:48.291
a row here because traffic engineering
is not my thing. So a lot of numbers

997
01:25:48.301 --> 01:25:53.123
a lot of things go on over my head and
around my head emitted Lee So am I to

998
01:25:53.133 --> 01:26:00.073
understand that 25 percent of all traffic
entering the site will be coming

999
01:26:00.403 --> 01:26:05.223
up Brimble lab from Colin and Essex street
intersections that is correct again

1000
01:26:05.233 --> 01:26:12.023
that's not an overstatement. And just
again so I have the numbers how many

1001
01:26:12.383 --> 01:26:19.093
additional trips. During peak times over
and beyond what we're seeing now is

1002
01:26:19.103 --> 01:26:24.403
just coming up from the lab from Colin and
Essex street intersections it would be

1003
01:26:24.413 --> 01:26:30.653
a minimal amount on the morning peak during
the afternoon peak calculating 74 trips

1004
01:26:30.693 --> 01:26:37.534
that's total of both directions both
are. In during the peak hour so would be

1005
01:26:37.544 --> 01:26:43.704
less than that during other I was of the
day. And on the Saturday peak $110.00

1006
01:26:43.714 --> 01:26:46.214
trips total of both directions.

1007
01:26:50.698 --> 01:26:55.429
Traffic. Was German I don't know if you
like me when I'm so that I didn't hear the

1008
01:26:55.439 --> 01:26:59.569
question but would know where to go but
how many pre-date was the question I'm

1009
01:26:59.579 --> 01:27:05.441
sorry how many per day was the question
traffic analysis not based on daily trash

1010
01:27:05.451 --> 01:27:12.450
based on traffic so that
is what we analyze. You

1011
01:27:12.460 --> 01:27:15.760
know questions from and sorry
if I may have just a just

1012
01:27:16.700 --> 01:27:21.700
a follow up that I think that's important
is So what are you envisioning so far as

1013
01:27:21.710 --> 01:27:25.750
a cue for backup there
for cars waiting to take

1014
01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:32.100
a left hand turn during the speak hours
that 51020 cars in line waiting to turn

1015
01:27:32.110 --> 01:27:38.941
left turning left into the site Yep.
The volume of traffic the queue

1016
01:27:38.951 --> 01:27:39.471
length is

1017
01:27:39.481 --> 01:27:43.301
a function of how many gaps there are
and traffic and based on the volume of

1018
01:27:43.311 --> 01:27:47.121
traffic that we're projecting going south
on Bramble Avenue and the volume of left

1019
01:27:47.131 --> 01:27:53.301
turns into the site back you will be
approximately one vehicle. On average

1020
01:27:54.101 --> 01:28:00.582
$11.00 vehicle that's correct. Ok

1021
01:28:01.342 --> 01:28:05.252
keep in mind traffic is going through a
roundabout and it's going to be moving at

1022
01:28:05.262 --> 01:28:10.992
a rather slow rate of speed and the
availability of gaps about movement are pretty

1023
01:28:11.002 --> 01:28:14.992
significant much better than you see out
there today so it's always difficult to

1024
01:28:15.002 --> 01:28:18.712
imagine what is going to be like in the
future when what you see out there today is

1025
01:28:18.722 --> 01:28:24.423
entirely different May I ask one just
one question Mr Chairman for t.c.

1026
01:28:24.473 --> 01:28:31.220
Go right ahead thank you sir. So this is
the do I My question has to do with the

1027
01:28:31.230 --> 01:28:37.270
traffic coming down Sawyer road which
equally concerns me. So my question I guess

1028
01:28:37.280 --> 01:28:37.380
is

1029
01:28:37.390 --> 01:28:41.360
a queuing question that I don't think I've
heard the answer to and I'm really trying

1030
01:28:41.370 --> 01:28:48.040
to. Be respectful and address the concerns
of the butter because their driveway.

1031
01:28:49.240 --> 01:28:51.590
Is you know within whatever x.

1032
01:28:51.600 --> 01:28:58.070
Feet of that proposed entrance from
Sawyer. I won't get too much into my

1033
01:28:58.080 --> 01:29:02.270
concerns about people coming down off

1034
01:29:02.280 --> 01:29:07.490
a 128 going half way around the roundabout
headed around the back part of building

1035
01:29:07.500 --> 01:29:09.290
a and. All of

1036
01:29:09.300 --> 01:29:14.000
a sudden catching themselves like hoops
and either make an illegal left hand turn

1037
01:29:14.120 --> 01:29:15.370
or having to do a u.

1038
01:29:15.380 --> 01:29:20.730
e In the above our property those my concern
spot my question for you is what are

1039
01:29:20.740 --> 01:29:27.380
the considerations that have been given
for queuing. For taking that right hand

1040
01:29:27.390 --> 01:29:32.910
turn during any peak hours because the
concern is the queuing starts people can't

1041
01:29:32.920 --> 01:29:38.410
get in and out of that property so what's
any consideration given for that so as

1042
01:29:38.420 --> 01:29:42.680
far as the queuing that's taking the right
hand turn into the driveway there so

1043
01:29:42.690 --> 01:29:43.150
that is

1044
01:29:43.160 --> 01:29:50.040
a free flowing movement
into the driveway and. This

1045
01:29:50.050 --> 01:29:51.720
one shows of a little bit so it's

1046
01:29:51.730 --> 01:29:57.410
a free flowing moving movement coming in
and it remains free flow all the way up

1047
01:29:57.420 --> 01:30:03.471
through until you get to the front of the
Whole Foods Market so. There's unlikely

1048
01:30:03.481 --> 01:30:09.741
to be an extensive queue coming in there
because it is for there is no conflict as

1049
01:30:09.751 --> 01:30:13.801
vehicles are coming in to the site until
they get to this point and there's more

1050
01:30:13.811 --> 01:30:18.401
than adequate storage here to accommodate
the queue of cars that are coming and

1051
01:30:18.661 --> 01:30:23.821
it's only about 15 percent of the total
traffic coming into the site that would be

1052
01:30:23.831 --> 01:30:28.571
coming in from Sawyer road so we
don't anticipate that there will be

1053
01:30:28.581 --> 01:30:35.231
a queue traffic will certainly be slowing
as it makes that right hand turn. But

1054
01:30:35.241 --> 01:30:41.731
there is about I think it's 80 to 100
feet separating. 100 feet yeah 100 feet

1055
01:30:41.741 --> 01:30:47.211
separating the strive way from the North
Ridge driveway which is more than adequate

1056
01:30:47.221 --> 01:30:53.461
to accommodate that little bit of slowing
of traffic and may actually help. Traffic

1057
01:30:53.471 --> 01:30:58.381
flow coming out of their driveway as traffic
slowing down in terms of cars coming

1058
01:30:58.421 --> 01:31:03.471
out of the site they will be further to
the north so those vehicles will not be

1059
01:31:03.481 --> 01:31:09.231
passing by the traffic that exit the
Northridge be coming out for the to the north

1060
01:31:09.241 --> 01:31:11.001
and had it up because it is

1061
01:31:11.011 --> 01:31:17.912
a right turn out only They'll all be
headed up towards the roundabout thank you

1062
01:31:17.922 --> 01:31:21.763
very much like Mr. Mr Miller.

1063
01:31:27.884 --> 01:31:33.744
Thank you it's good to have an assistant.
Was probably understand that your numbers

1064
01:31:33.754 --> 01:31:38.574
agree with them you always numbers but
within 2 to 4 percent so correct overall yes

1065
01:31:38.614 --> 01:31:43.434
that's those numbers are related to the
distribution of traffic so the direction of

1066
01:31:43.444 --> 01:31:50.111
where traffic is coming from Ok. And did
you feel that the intersections that

1067
01:31:50.491 --> 01:31:54.921
Colin and Berlin Essex. Would
you recommend lights there in

1068
01:31:54.931 --> 01:32:00.951
a no build So how do you. Yes
So the intersection of colon

1069
01:32:01.681 --> 01:32:08.031
that one does warrant. A traffic signal
even without the proposed development so

1070
01:32:08.041 --> 01:32:08.451
certainly

1071
01:32:08.461 --> 01:32:13.431
a traffic signal could be installed today
at that location as far as the Essex

1072
01:32:13.441 --> 01:32:16.961
Street ember Mileva new intersection
that one does not warrant

1073
01:32:17.001 --> 01:32:22.131
a traffic signal part of that is the left
turn traffic volume there is very very

1074
01:32:22.141 --> 01:32:26.361
minimal The reason that you
do see level of service f.

1075
01:32:26.371 --> 01:32:28.271
Is because the through traffic on

1076
01:32:28.311 --> 01:32:33.601
a 6 tree is so high that it makes it very
difficult for someone to make that left

1077
01:32:33.611 --> 01:32:35.591
hand turn and because there's only

1078
01:32:35.601 --> 01:32:40.031
a single lane when someone is stopped there
waiting to turn left it backs up all

1079
01:32:40.041 --> 01:32:45.671
the right turning traffic but typically
right turning traffic is at least in

1080
01:32:45.751 --> 01:32:48.981
discounted and oftentimes
excluded when you're doing

1081
01:32:48.991 --> 01:32:54.991
a signal or an analysis so the left turn
volume there does not meet the warrants

1082
01:32:55.001 --> 01:32:55.271
for

1083
01:32:55.311 --> 01:33:00.581
a traffic signal and therefore you would
typically look at other alternatives 1st

1084
01:33:00.851 --> 01:33:02.331
one of which would be installing

1085
01:33:02.341 --> 01:33:07.961
a separately to get those left turners out
of the right turning traffic and allow

1086
01:33:07.971 --> 01:33:12.261
the right turn to operate more free flowing
Ok thank you and as far as level of

1087
01:33:12.661 --> 01:33:17.781
traffic I understand that both.
Roundabouts would be level

1088
01:33:18.001 --> 01:33:22.081
a in both both a no build in
a built in our both will be

1089
01:33:22.091 --> 01:33:28.051
a level that corrects for overall
operations Thank you. And the such and so.

1090
01:33:30.501 --> 01:33:35.851
Mr Mueller I'm looking at the your table
5 are in your level of service analysis

1091
01:33:35.861 --> 01:33:42.501
summary and if we're looking at the Brimble
ave it at Essex Road intersection and

1092
01:33:42.511 --> 01:33:48.671
forgive me I'm directionally challenged
northbound all is that coming from

1093
01:33:49.401 --> 01:33:50.251
coming from

1094
01:33:50.261 --> 01:33:54.981
a 68 heading up Brimble ave no that is
actually that retail driver that's across

1095
01:33:54.991 --> 01:34:00.803
from. There it's actually a 4 way
intersection because there's

1096
01:34:00.813 --> 01:34:06.153
a retail. Don't live that mall yet exactly
so that northbound movement doctors are

1097
01:34:06.353 --> 01:34:07.173
seeing there is

1098
01:34:07.213 --> 01:34:12.255
a driveway so that it's just the drive once
just the driveway and that explains the

1099
01:34:12.265 --> 01:34:15.485
511 2nd delay correct Ok.

1100
01:34:19.177 --> 01:34:23.727
It seems to me that the I'm interested in
whether or not you concur that this has

1101
01:34:23.737 --> 01:34:29.117
the greatest impact on both the proposed
project has the greatest impact on Brimble

1102
01:34:29.127 --> 01:34:31.337
ave what it at Essex and Brimble ave

1103
01:34:31.347 --> 01:34:37.860
a colon correct. And only by
virtue of that we expect about 25

1104
01:34:37.870 --> 01:34:44.341
percent of the traffic to head on rubble
after the South. And when you're talking

1105
01:34:44.351 --> 01:34:50.651
about the number of cars that make the left
turn at Brimble in Essex again forgive

1106
01:34:50.661 --> 01:34:55.001
me being directionally challenged are you
talking about coming from Brimble Avenue

1107
01:34:55.011 --> 01:34:59.501
making the left onto Essex
Street that's correct did you do

1108
01:34:59.511 --> 01:35:03.971
a count because there are some cars but
I travel that all the time and there

1109
01:35:03.981 --> 01:35:08.211
doesn't seem to be that many and if that
car on the left side is far enough over

1110
01:35:08.221 --> 01:35:13.661
the cars on the right can pass by if
they really hug the centerline or the.

1111
01:35:15.151 --> 01:35:19.361
What did you mean that is there an actual
you have an actual counter I mean I can

1112
01:35:19.371 --> 01:35:21.701
give you the numbers
it's 2 vehicles making

1113
01:35:21.711 --> 01:35:24.921
a left turn in the
morning. 8 vehicles making

1114
01:35:24.931 --> 01:35:29.421
a left turn in the afternoon and
6 vehicles making a left turn on

1115
01:35:29.431 --> 01:35:35.451
a Saturday and again the reason why those
volumes are so low is because most people

1116
01:35:35.461 --> 01:35:39.551
would use would choose to use column
street if they want to make a turn onto

1117
01:35:39.561 --> 01:35:46.512
a 60 in that direction I could
actually short of and did you do

1118
01:35:46.522 --> 01:35:51.482
any analysis as to the level of service
change that would result by putting the

1119
01:35:51.492 --> 01:35:56.512
traffic light in the room $11.00 to $1.00
Colon Yes that level would be a level b.

1120
01:35:56.522 --> 01:36:02.622
To c. Or in the peak hours. To see from
Pico hours wrecked and now it runs from d.

1121
01:36:02.632 --> 01:36:04.152
To f. Correct or c.

1122
01:36:04.162 --> 01:36:06.293
The. Ok thank you.

1123
01:36:11.344 --> 01:36:17.086
I just had one follow up question. Can you
explain and this could be for either or

1124
01:36:17.096 --> 01:36:24.096
both of you in is layman in his
layman terms as possible how he you

1125
01:36:24.106 --> 01:36:30.526
both arrived at the distribution numbers
to say Ok 25 percent is going to go in

1126
01:36:30.536 --> 01:36:31.846
Brimble x.

1127
01:36:31.856 --> 01:36:36.636
Percent is going to go $128.00 how did.
How do you come up with that and if it's

1128
01:36:36.646 --> 01:36:42.016
based on sort of standard data from the
state you know based on like you know land

1129
01:36:42.026 --> 01:36:47.790
use codes who sets those and how
frequently do they get amended. Well the

1130
01:36:47.800 --> 01:36:53.262
distribution of traffic. Is there's
not an exact science to it.

1131
01:36:56.184 --> 01:37:01.444
What we try to do as traffic engineers is
come as close as we can to what we expect

1132
01:37:01.454 --> 01:37:03.474
will actually happen and there's

1133
01:37:03.484 --> 01:37:09.084
a number of different ways that you can
estimate that what I've chosen to do is to

1134
01:37:09.094 --> 01:37:09.314
take

1135
01:37:09.324 --> 01:37:16.154
a look at the entire area. Surrounding
the study area and looking at 2 things

1136
01:37:16.164 --> 01:37:21.884
predominantly one is the population in
that within that area and outlining lying

1137
01:37:21.894 --> 01:37:25.494
areas. Because after all
the people who go to

1138
01:37:25.504 --> 01:37:28.884
a shopping center other people
live in the area. So that is

1139
01:37:28.894 --> 01:37:32.724
a big factor and in the 2nd part of it
is really the existing distribution of

1140
01:37:32.734 --> 01:37:37.484
traffic how does traffic flow today and how
much where are the turns being made at

1141
01:37:37.494 --> 01:37:41.934
each of these study area intersections
because what is happening today is

1142
01:37:41.944 --> 01:37:45.334
a very good indicator of what's going to
happen in the future as well let Rebecca

1143
01:37:45.344 --> 01:37:52.110
explain her methodology. So in
contrast to what Ron had looked with

1144
01:37:52.550 --> 01:37:57.600
how traffic is coming into that area today
well we had done was actually prepare

1145
01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:00.210
a gravity model and what
that does is it looks at

1146
01:38:00.570 --> 01:38:06.340
a 30 minute driving radius around
the this site and using u.s.

1147
01:38:06.350 --> 01:38:12.550
Census population information for all of
those areas surrounding the site we look

1148
01:38:12.560 --> 01:38:18.390
at where are those population densities
and how would people coming from those

1149
01:38:18.430 --> 01:38:24.860
areas get to and from the site and we
look at that based on travel time and on

1150
01:38:24.870 --> 01:38:31.790
distance. For the most part factor
towards travel time the fastest way

1151
01:38:31.800 --> 01:38:37.350
is the way that most people travel. We
also adjust that for wherever there are

1152
01:38:37.360 --> 01:38:41.790
competing opportunities so there is another
Whole Foods market that is not very far

1153
01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:47.430
away so we took into consideration that
and we waited the population coming from

1154
01:38:47.440 --> 01:38:51.680
those areas that may be actually closer to
the other Whole Foods Market and to this

1155
01:38:51.690 --> 01:38:58.430
one. And arrived as we average all
that information out and weighed it we

1156
01:38:58.470 --> 01:38:59.410
arrive at a

1157
01:39:00.190 --> 01:39:04.790
a percent distribution based on where the
population is how people will get there

1158
01:39:05.080 --> 01:39:11.551
and whether there are other opportunities
for them to travel to instead. Thank you

1159
01:39:11.751 --> 01:39:15.881
I think at this point not to foreclose
other questions from the point where I'd

1160
01:39:15.891 --> 01:39:22.451
like to get members of the public of so
we can hear their concerns and questions

1161
01:39:22.921 --> 01:39:26.961
so I'm going to ask you to stand by to say
think if their questions are going to be

1162
01:39:26.971 --> 01:39:29.311
answered by you too and we have

1163
01:39:29.321 --> 01:39:34.981
a sheet here with approximately 43 names
on it. And I as I mentioned earlier I

1164
01:39:34.991 --> 01:39:38.341
don't intend to close the soft tonight
so if you don't get your chance will

1165
01:39:38.791 --> 01:39:39.671
continue this at

1166
01:39:39.681 --> 01:39:43.981
a later date however I'd like to ask
people to start coming up in the order in

1167
01:39:43.991 --> 01:39:48.811
which they signed and keep in mind there
are plenty of people behind you also want

1168
01:39:48.821 --> 01:39:53.611
to talk so we have. An l one Marson

1169
01:39:55.862 --> 01:39:59.004
There's Ellen Marson here but right.

1170
01:40:04.195 --> 01:40:11.018
All right we're going to go down
the order which the. Dionne 47

1171
01:40:11.028 --> 01:40:17.542
Brimble ave. Ok Donnelly on same resume

1172
01:40:17.552 --> 01:40:22.985
Broadbent North Ridge please come up to
the microphone and showing Rosemary the

1173
01:40:23.095 --> 01:40:29.045
Christopher church of Corning St And
John on deck scuse me John can get

1174
01:40:29.085 --> 01:40:35.545
a mike correct that this that this project
will only go forward if the interchange

1175
01:40:36.075 --> 01:40:39.125
is redesigned that's
what Mr Cohen has said.

1176
01:40:45.299 --> 01:40:49.279
I'm Rosemary Broadbent tired of it
why don't why don't I nor 3 child.

1177
01:40:52.409 --> 01:40:58.099
I want to talk about the new access road
on to story road what I'd like to clarify

1178
01:40:58.109 --> 01:41:02.599
a couple of things about Northridge 1st
couple of the assessments have said I've

1179
01:41:02.609 --> 01:41:03.309
referred to it as

1180
01:41:03.319 --> 01:41:08.589
a rental community an apartment area
and that's really not what it is.

1181
01:41:09.969 --> 01:41:15.009
Northridge was co-operatively built by
the archdiocese and the Massachusetts

1182
01:41:15.019 --> 01:41:21.050
housing finance authority. To try to meet
the need for low and moderate income

1183
01:41:21.060 --> 01:41:28.010
families and so it was completed
in 1975 all the units at that

1184
01:41:28.020 --> 01:41:34.860
point were townhouses with 2 stories
and it became obvious that anybody who

1185
01:41:34.900 --> 01:41:38.430
had a movement disability
could not live in

1186
01:41:38.440 --> 01:41:45.312
a 2 story townhouse so several
years later the cave was built. It

1187
01:41:45.322 --> 01:41:46.782
was kind of school was into

1188
01:41:46.792 --> 01:41:50.132
a corner there and you can see
it's not and we had to get

1189
01:41:50.142 --> 01:41:56.082
a waiver for the corner of the building
what should be close to the. Property line

1190
01:41:56.882 --> 01:42:03.695
that is. One storey

1191
01:42:03.705 --> 01:42:08.915
one bedroom and you can't fix that so all
apartments it's all you know it's got the

1192
01:42:08.925 --> 01:42:13.605
handles on the wide doors and
ramps and that kind of thing.

1193
01:42:16.526 --> 01:42:23.466
When we fan. I've been in meetings and
conversations with Mr Korn since he

1194
01:42:23.686 --> 01:42:29.536
presented us 1st the design for his 1st
Plaza I don't even know how long ago

1195
01:42:29.786 --> 01:42:36.588
1009. And so you know

1196
01:42:36.828 --> 01:42:39.588
because of and that kind of slept for

1197
01:42:39.598 --> 01:42:43.208
a while but then the new plan
started coming up and we've had

1198
01:42:43.218 --> 01:42:49.931
a lot of conversations and I think that.
We made it really clear several of us made

1199
01:42:49.941 --> 01:42:54.621
it really clear how important it was to
us to protect the integrity of the cave

1200
01:42:54.631 --> 01:42:58.541
building because the people
in that building don't have

1201
01:42:58.551 --> 01:43:02.621
a whole lot of choice about where they're
going to live as small apartments they

1202
01:43:02.631 --> 01:43:07.721
have small patios they have small DACs on
the property line and I'll give you some

1203
01:43:07.731 --> 01:43:13.641
pictures is about 2 feet from the corner
of the front corner of the building and

1204
01:43:13.651 --> 01:43:18.281
because of the angle of the building 2
sides of the building will be facing that

1205
01:43:18.291 --> 01:43:22.911
new road which will be 10
feet from the property.

1206
01:43:25.092 --> 01:43:28.052
That does not give them a whole
lot of space even if there is

1207
01:43:28.062 --> 01:43:32.552
a wall there I don't know whether you know
you would want to wall 10 feet off your

1208
01:43:32.562 --> 01:43:37.613
patio because what they see now
are trees on all sides of.

1209
01:43:39.803 --> 01:43:44.043
This recall and also said that he really
understood our our concern he just wanted

1210
01:43:44.053 --> 01:43:44.263
to be

1211
01:43:44.273 --> 01:43:50.795
a good neighbor and that's not what this
street looks like especially since we've

1212
01:43:50.805 --> 01:43:55.655
made it so clear that we wanted to be.
When I did that building to have some

1213
01:43:55.835 --> 01:44:01.745
protection. The 1st I saw I wondered about
because it's the sea building and it's

1214
01:44:01.755 --> 01:44:06.695
very very close to our property line my
understanding from reading the zoning laws

1215
01:44:06.705 --> 01:44:12.046
is that it needs a 25 foot
leeway between a building and

1216
01:44:12.056 --> 01:44:18.626
a property line. Over can. Do you know
the answer of. The setback is 20 or

1217
01:44:18.636 --> 01:44:23.917
25 feet I have the zoning
laws if you need 20 feet 20.

1218
01:44:25.419 --> 01:44:32.141
20 feet. And it's also

1219
01:44:32.151 --> 01:44:34.361
a very. It's also

1220
01:44:34.371 --> 01:44:40.571
a very unstable area of the. On the landfill
The other thing I want to say at the

1221
01:44:41.331 --> 01:44:42.701
right page is not built on

1222
01:44:42.711 --> 01:44:49.341
a landfill the landfill part is the
field. Where the residences are are

1223
01:44:49.581 --> 01:44:53.701
rising rocky land and if you
want to find out try to dig

1224
01:44:53.711 --> 01:44:59.834
a garden up there. Very rocky and it's and
you can see if you check elevation you

1225
01:44:59.844 --> 01:45:06.254
can see that the buildings rise. Off
the landfill it's rocky and it's

1226
01:45:06.704 --> 01:45:13.134
not on the landfill is as on our field which
is rapidly sinking. The 2nd appearance

1227
01:45:13.144 --> 01:45:19.855
of the new road on the came building was
really alarming because we've had plans

1228
01:45:19.865 --> 01:45:25.605
and plans and plans and never had seen
this won't. Be since it's as I said it's 2

1229
01:45:25.615 --> 01:45:30.665
feet from me from the property
line the building up so now.

1230
01:45:32.917 --> 01:45:39.207
When I talk to Mr Caudle at the last meeting.
There with the buffer was just going

1231
01:45:39.217 --> 01:45:44.947
to be open space and I'm going to
reconsider that as well and to put

1232
01:45:44.957 --> 01:45:48.197
a buffer up but I'm not
sure I mean Ok building as

1233
01:45:48.207 --> 01:45:53.647
a 2 story building I'm not sure how I don't
know what the trucks trucks are going

1234
01:45:53.657 --> 01:45:59.359
to be using it and I certainly aren't sure
the construction trucks will be using it

1235
01:46:00.029 --> 01:46:05.369
I also want to say that the North Beverly
Plaza where Shaun's is fine with one

1236
01:46:06.971 --> 01:46:13.872
entrance and exit they have one
rear unmarked road that goes out to

1237
01:46:13.882 --> 01:46:14.212
chose

1238
01:46:14.222 --> 01:46:20.612
a road which most people don't even know
about but otherwise there is one there is

1239
01:46:20.622 --> 01:46:26.562
one access road with lots of lights and so
on but you know people seem to manage it

1240
01:46:26.572 --> 01:46:32.790
pretty well. And so I rode what
traffic there is most pretty quickly

1241
01:46:33.690 --> 01:46:33.920
there is

1242
01:46:33.930 --> 01:46:40.710
a North Shore concert Education Consortium
which has about 20 buses and taxis

1243
01:46:40.720 --> 01:46:45.560
etc because it brings children from
all over the county. And when they're

1244
01:46:45.570 --> 01:46:49.370
delivering the kids and when they're
taking the kids home that is that's very

1245
01:46:49.380 --> 01:46:53.500
congested and of course you have to watch
out for that you have to give space to

1246
01:46:53.510 --> 01:46:56.981
the. School buses.

1247
01:46:59.993 --> 01:47:02.003
Because so I wrote it on

1248
01:47:02.013 --> 01:47:08.665
a hill you really do not get the distance
of sight that you would think and I have

1249
01:47:08.915 --> 01:47:09.205
I have

1250
01:47:09.275 --> 01:47:16.246
a photograph of that I would like to
show you. Also on that on so I wrote

1251
01:47:16.256 --> 01:47:22.856
already on the other side from
North Ridge there are 4 driveways

1252
01:47:23.436 --> 01:47:30.146
one of which is for the Beverly Athletic
Club the North Shore consortium and

1253
01:47:30.186 --> 01:47:35.406
a building and in business that is not being
used right now one for soccer etc One

1254
01:47:35.416 --> 01:47:41.566
for the roller palace and one why driveway
this serves to electronic buildings and

1255
01:47:41.576 --> 01:47:45.516
that driveway is directly opposite
where the new road would be.

1256
01:47:48.486 --> 01:47:55.336
But again. My biggest.
My biggest concern and I

1257
01:47:55.346 --> 01:48:02.186
really don't know if any amount of
buffering will. Take away our worry is the

1258
01:48:02.196 --> 01:48:08.168
fact that. There doesn't seem to be
any way to protect building and to

1259
01:48:09.128 --> 01:48:14.688
leave them with the make it so that they
have the use of their patios and their and

1260
01:48:14.698 --> 01:48:19.678
their decks because right now they don't
and I also want to say that we understand

1261
01:48:19.688 --> 01:48:24.610
that Mr Cowen is entitled to make as much
money as he. Can but we're also in time

1262
01:48:24.620 --> 01:48:29.310
guys the only direct dividers and the
only residential and I'm going to draw

1263
01:48:29.320 --> 01:48:35.452
a line when we think that our quality of
life is find a very seriously damaged i.q.

1264
01:48:35.452 --> 01:48:35.452
.

1265
01:48:43.132 --> 01:48:48.283
With Rick. Come on deck placed
Now the next speaker please.

1266
01:49:03.388 --> 01:49:10.009
Thank you I say one more thing I have to
say one more thing by the way the distance

1267
01:49:10.019 --> 01:49:15.809
between the site of the new road and the
northern entrance the northern driveway to

1268
01:49:15.809 --> 01:49:22.040
. North Ridge is maybe 50 feet

1269
01:49:23.411 --> 01:49:29.473
at the most so you may have free flowing
traffic turning right into the lot

1270
01:49:30.173 --> 01:49:34.533
but there's no guarantee that they are going
to continue to flow once they get into

1271
01:49:34.543 --> 01:49:39.524
them if there's that much traffic so if
it's not hard to imagine that there could

1272
01:49:39.534 --> 01:49:45.454
be I wonder if you were 3 are
you which really have to cry

1273
01:49:45.464 --> 01:49:47.214
a quick action for people coming north.

1274
01:49:56.766 --> 01:49:57.446
Thanks so much

1275
01:49:58.417 --> 01:50:04.517
a couple things 1st of all I'm sorry Chris
Jericho from Corning St and Beverly.

1276
01:50:06.707 --> 01:50:10.247
A couple things 1st of all as someone who
came here from Corning St and had to

1277
01:50:10.257 --> 01:50:14.847
cross Essex to get here tonight I'm
really not looking forward to another 15

1278
01:50:14.857 --> 01:50:18.197
percent of traffic especially when the train
goes by which is what happened tonight

1279
01:50:18.197 --> 01:50:23.827
. And also on some of the numbers I'm
going to talk about are based on daily

1280
01:50:23.837 --> 01:50:29.787
figures because that's bit what's been
widely reported on the Salem News in other

1281
01:50:29.797 --> 01:50:35.680
articles that we've seen so. As a 4th
generation Beverly resident raising

1282
01:50:35.690 --> 01:50:39.620
a 5th generation here my family and I have
seen the progress that the city has made

1283
01:50:39.630 --> 01:50:44.620
over the years much if not most of that
progress has been positive however along

1284
01:50:44.630 --> 01:50:47.310
with the positive growth some
of the development has had

1285
01:50:47.320 --> 01:50:52.110
a negative effect in the city and on the
on the north bit Beverly neighborhood

1286
01:50:52.120 --> 01:50:56.462
specifically such as the development of
want to say and I can't help but think that

1287
01:50:56.472 --> 01:51:01.213
this project is going to make that situation
much worse for me when it's driven up

1288
01:51:01.773 --> 01:51:03.393
towards north north Beverly in

1289
01:51:03.403 --> 01:51:08.303
a right that Doug St Laurel train crossing
by next when the train is there knows

1290
01:51:08.313 --> 01:51:11.773
I'm talking about how can the adding
any more traffic to this area make the

1291
01:51:11.783 --> 01:51:14.713
situation better I'm picturing back ups.

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01:51:19.493 --> 01:51:23.953
She's been 2nd we're not going to have an
applause meter here tonight so there's no

1293
01:51:23.963 --> 01:51:29.703
point in your applauding. We know you're
you know you don't want this so let's have

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01:51:29.743 --> 01:51:32.913
speaker speak and you can have
your turn thank you thank you.

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01:51:36.755 --> 01:51:40.925
Sorry I'm picturing backups from that
intersection all the way to 128 when

1296
01:51:40.935 --> 01:51:44.876
a train is crossing and I don't think
that's farfetched short of building

1297
01:51:44.886 --> 01:51:48.966
a tunnel under the tracks at that
intersection or bridge over them I think this

1298
01:51:49.006 --> 01:51:50.026
that this situation is

1299
01:51:50.036 --> 01:51:54.496
a real possibility I have traffic
backed up like that. According to

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01:51:54.506 --> 01:51:58.356
a traffic study commissioned by Mr Cohen
himself should this permit be granted the

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01:51:58.366 --> 01:52:02.476
neighborhood around the development will
see an increase of about $4200.00 vehicles

1302
01:52:02.486 --> 01:52:06.878
per day during the week this is a
neighborhood with 2 elementary schools within

1303
01:52:06.888 --> 01:52:08.688
a mile or so of this development in

1304
01:52:08.698 --> 01:52:13.529
a high school right down the street with
all due respect to the people at ca These

1305
01:52:13.539 --> 01:52:17.470
are schools that they don't have to worry
about bringing their children too. This

1306
01:52:17.480 --> 01:52:19.720
neighborhood will also see
an approximate increase of

1307
01:52:19.730 --> 01:52:24.620
a staggering $6400.00 vehicles per day
during the weekend days again with all due

1308
01:52:24.630 --> 01:52:26.510
respect to the folks at c.a.a.

1309
01:52:26.880 --> 01:52:30.310
The right have to deal with this traffic
to get to their homes or in and out of

1310
01:52:30.320 --> 01:52:36.710
their driveways. The studies are nice but
what what does common sense tell you that

1311
01:52:36.720 --> 01:52:41.981
adding this much traffic to this area
will do well I support she is right to

1312
01:52:41.991 --> 01:52:43.811
develop their property I do not support

1313
01:52:43.821 --> 01:52:47.511
a plan that is flawed will have an
irreversible adverse effect not only on this

1314
01:52:47.551 --> 01:52:51.711
neighborhood but several of the surrounding
neighborhoods as well whether it's new

1315
01:52:51.721 --> 01:52:55.971
traffic backups in the Montserrat neighborhood
increased gridlock on $128.00 South

1316
01:52:55.981 --> 01:52:59.951
during the afternoon rush or more people
now using exit 18 to avoid the Brimble of

1317
01:52:59.961 --> 01:53:04.561
exit and increasing traffic in Centerville
around this permit will affect

1318
01:53:04.571 --> 01:53:09.484
a large portion of the city I asked the
planning committee to remember that it's

1319
01:53:09.494 --> 01:53:13.244
your job to make responsible decisions
that will not adversely affect the quality

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01:53:13.254 --> 01:53:15.854
of life for the residents of
this neighborhood and Beverly as

1321
01:53:15.864 --> 01:53:20.587
a whole on behalf of my family and my
neighbors please do not issue the special

1322
01:53:20.597 --> 01:53:23.168
permit thank you thank you.

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01:53:31.539 --> 01:53:31.949
I've heard

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01:53:32.419 --> 01:53:39.339
a lot of. Music and excuse
me just one second. Going.

1325
01:53:41.770 --> 01:53:46.780
Back over Mr Mollett Can you respond to the
gentlemen's claim of $4200.00 cars per

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01:53:46.790 --> 01:53:53.473
day and $6400.00 cars during
the weekend or Saturday police

1327
01:53:54.303 --> 01:54:00.711
certainly. Those numbers are the volume
of traffic generated by the Project on

1328
01:54:00.721 --> 01:54:06.081
a daily basis I think you heard me say
earlier before that traffic analysis is not

1329
01:54:06.091 --> 01:54:11.331
based on daily traffic conditions it's
based on focusing what the operations are

1330
01:54:11.341 --> 01:54:16.251
during the peak want to hour of traffic and
we've chosen to analyze the impacts are

1331
01:54:16.261 --> 01:54:18.211
in the morning peak the afternoon peak and

1332
01:54:18.221 --> 01:54:24.611
a weekend peak hour. So while the daily
traffic generation numbers are correct they

1333
01:54:24.621 --> 01:54:31.381
really have no relevance in the traffic
study. Well I guess that's for us to decide

1334
01:54:31.391 --> 01:54:36.981
but. The numbers themselves are those
accurate numbers yes they're from

1335
01:54:36.991 --> 01:54:41.822
a study and others just so I understand
are those numbers total trips or

1336
01:54:41.832 --> 01:54:45.912
a total trips on local roads not those
are total trips in and out of the

1337
01:54:45.922 --> 01:54:51.842
development including when 20 including
$128.00 from all directions of traffic and

1338
01:54:51.852 --> 01:54:55.312
their total of both entering and exiting
So if you're talking $4200.00 on

1339
01:54:55.322 --> 01:54:59.702
a daily basis that means $2100.00 entering
and the same $2100.00 vehicles accident

1340
01:55:00.232 --> 01:55:05.022
so it's really $2100.00 cars that the
project is generating is just that each car

1341
01:55:05.032 --> 01:55:12.005
makes 2 trips 2 trips Ok if you have
any to add to that. I was going

1342
01:55:12.015 --> 01:55:17.615
to make the same point that Ron made that
those are really trips and not cars so

1343
01:55:18.135 --> 01:55:23.065
a trip is one vehicle entering or one
vehicle exiting So the number of additional

1344
01:55:23.075 --> 01:55:29.540
cars that project would generate is actually
half of that. Thank you our next pick

1345
01:55:29.550 --> 01:55:34.110
is that Rick morning Ok Our next speaker
after that is Frank Jack alone and if you

1346
01:55:34.120 --> 01:55:40.890
want to get ready. I'm Rick Moni I live
at 282 DOJ 317 years I've driven through

1347
01:55:40.900 --> 01:55:43.420
that intersection at the
railroad tracks twice

1348
01:55:43.430 --> 01:55:49.460
a day minimum I can tell you no stop sign
no lights nothing is going to improve

1349
01:55:49.470 --> 01:55:55.470
that unless you depress the train tracks
and pave over it nothing's going to change

1350
01:55:55.770 --> 01:56:00.500
so why do we put this project through
that's going to do nothing but exacerbate

1351
01:56:00.690 --> 01:56:05.510
a traffic situation that's already dangerous
and what I think 1st of his response

1352
01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:12.280
time for the police the fire the ambulance
I'm not getting any younger so all in

1353
01:56:12.290 --> 01:56:15.980
all the track the traffic talk I've heard
I haven't heard anybody talk about

1354
01:56:15.990 --> 01:56:22.591
response time for Ron 1st respond
it's. Is you know I think you

1355
01:56:23.101 --> 01:56:24.131
can anyone address that.

1356
01:56:31.003 --> 01:56:35.773
Well I can tell you that if you talk
response time through the existing 128

1357
01:56:35.783 --> 01:56:42.773
interchange area. Given the levels of service
at the. Connector road intersections

1358
01:56:42.783 --> 01:56:48.333
with avenue of soil road. And the tremendous
delays incurred by vehicles going

1359
01:56:48.343 --> 01:56:51.953
through those and us actions today I would
imagine that response time would be

1360
01:56:51.963 --> 01:56:54.743
drastically reduced with the
implementation of the mass the o.c.

1361
01:56:54.753 --> 01:56:56.654
Improvement project going from an f.

1362
01:56:56.664 --> 01:56:57.534
a Level of service to an

1363
01:56:57.544 --> 01:57:05.107
a level of service drastically
reducing those delays Thank

1364
01:57:05.117 --> 01:57:09.597
you. The next thing I think
about is the the mass d.o.t.

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01:57:09.607 --> 01:57:09.857
Putting

1366
01:57:09.867 --> 01:57:14.477
a connector on oh I'm sorry the next the
next thing that comes to my mind is the

1367
01:57:14.527 --> 01:57:20.487
connector road Ok the 2 rotaries and I
wouldn't if if this project has to go

1368
01:57:20.497 --> 01:57:25.608
through which I hope it does not I hope we
could have that connector road in place

1369
01:57:25.848 --> 01:57:30.140
and see how that works before you
even think about recommending

1370
01:57:30.150 --> 01:57:36.741
a curb cut in that thing and I'd also
like the the. But the driveway near

1371
01:57:37.221 --> 01:57:42.701
Northridge not there at all I know that
doesn't leave any options sold let's not do

1372
01:57:42.711 --> 01:57:48.583
the project not everything in Beverly has
to be developed so that that's my thought

1373
01:57:49.213 --> 01:57:55.056
thank you thank you. Frank Jack alone

1374
01:57:57.227 --> 01:58:02.179
Judy Montane pass.

1375
01:58:04.820 --> 01:58:05.870
Alicia Bode you.

1376
01:58:12.864 --> 01:58:13.524
80 for

1377
01:58:13.534 --> 01:58:21.408
a North Ridge Road I can't make out
the name of Sar All right. And

1378
01:58:21.418 --> 01:58:28.411
similarly for 2 Auburn road
is there someone from 2

1379
01:58:28.421 --> 01:58:35.272
Auburn road who wants to speak All right
Jeff Jeffrey Allman 11 Stuart lane

1380
01:58:35.282 --> 01:58:42.152
Beverley. Karen and John Hodgson 14 Laurel

1381
01:58:42.162 --> 01:58:48.182
Street Dan De Angelus I
know you're there Dan.

1382
01:58:57.930 --> 01:59:00.910
I didn't enjoy list to 7. I do have

1383
01:59:00.920 --> 01:59:05.330
a not too lengthy list of comments I'd
just like to go through but I just want to

1384
01:59:05.820 --> 01:59:09.110
raise one issue I know it's been said
that the total trips really didn't matter

1385
01:59:09.690 --> 01:59:12.740
every traffic study we've seen on
this project includes total trips for

1386
01:59:12.750 --> 01:59:16.120
a day so if it doesn't matter it should
be on these studies these are the numbers

1387
01:59:16.130 --> 01:59:18.650
we've been making available
to the residents so they get

1388
01:59:18.660 --> 01:59:22.110
a general sense of the impact this project
is going to have not just on those few

1389
01:59:22.120 --> 01:59:26.410
hours of the day that that the peak hour
numbers focus on but the impact on the

1390
01:59:26.420 --> 01:59:29.960
daily traffic especially when you consider
Saturday because there's really no peak

1391
01:59:29.970 --> 01:59:33.850
hour on Saturday let's face it we know that
folks shop from 9 in the mornings all 6

1392
01:59:33.860 --> 01:59:37.820
to 7 and I So I think that's an important
number and it's important that people get

1393
01:59:37.830 --> 01:59:42.110
a sense of that the numbers that we've seen
to this point have been really watered

1394
01:59:42.120 --> 01:59:45.460
down to the impact on the
intersections that are frankly

1395
01:59:45.470 --> 01:59:50.220
a mile away and the real impact for for
folks that live here just the folks that

1396
01:59:50.230 --> 01:59:52.710
live a some distance away but
for those folks that used on

1397
01:59:52.720 --> 01:59:56.050
a daily basis they're going to be
significant increases in traffic as

1398
01:59:56.060 --> 01:59:59.710
a result of that one thing that was pointed
out just briefly with respect to the

1399
01:59:59.720 --> 02:00:03.750
site review some mention was made of
concern about some parking spaces near the

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02:00:03.760 --> 02:00:07.440
bank in the concern about cars that were
going to back in and out in the impact

1401
02:00:07.450 --> 02:00:10.910
that would have on the flow of traffic
nothing has been said about the fact that

1402
02:00:10.920 --> 02:00:15.500
there are parking spaces to the left
of the sari to the south of the

1403
02:00:15.510 --> 02:00:20.230
a building where it meets the proposal
or access road and those parking spaces

1404
02:00:20.240 --> 02:00:24.880
there would also require folks to back in
and out having an impact on at least the

1405
02:00:24.920 --> 02:00:29.640
traffic trying to exit the plaza at that
location and certainly some impact on the

1406
02:00:29.650 --> 02:00:32.930
traffic as well that's trying to get in so
I don't think that has been addressed by

1407
02:00:32.940 --> 02:00:34.460
t.c. I suspect that would have

1408
02:00:34.470 --> 02:00:37.970
a greater impact than any traffic that
circling the bank and it's something that

1409
02:00:37.980 --> 02:00:42.210
the parking and traffic is fresh certain
should be aware of if they choose to go

1410
02:00:42.220 --> 02:00:47.450
along with that particular entrance as
an alternative. I'm here to express my

1411
02:00:47.460 --> 02:00:50.860
concerns over the Cea group's proposal for
the commercial development of the parcel

1412
02:00:50.870 --> 02:00:52.450
located around 40 Brimble f.

1413
02:00:52.570 --> 02:00:55.150
And their request for a special
permit which would allow for

1414
02:00:55.160 --> 02:00:58.910
a grocery store and retail shops at
a location that's Carlin's own to I

1415
02:00:58.920 --> 02:01:03.290
r industrial research I want you to deny
the applicants request for this permit

1416
02:01:03.330 --> 02:01:08.070
since the proposed retail development would
cause undue traffic no since in money

1417
02:01:08.080 --> 02:01:12.540
on reasonable houses as we've heard tonight
when this project was 1st proposed the

1418
02:01:12.550 --> 02:01:16.280
primary concerns of the North Dublin
neighborhood association and the residents of

1419
02:01:16.290 --> 02:01:20.100
North Bridge homes with the environmental
impact of the former landfill and the

1420
02:01:20.110 --> 02:01:24.060
traffic generated by this destination grocery
store and high reach would affect the

1421
02:01:24.070 --> 02:01:28.870
quality of their lives for more than 18
months the process of researching the

1422
02:01:28.880 --> 02:01:32.250
study's reports and submissions
surrounding this project has been

1423
02:01:32.260 --> 02:01:36.430
a significant one we're pretty impression
at the continuation attention of this

1424
02:01:36.440 --> 02:01:40.250
board terms of this parcel and the
access of documents that have been made

1425
02:01:40.260 --> 02:01:43.420
available through the plane and
department to keep the residents informed

1426
02:01:43.710 --> 02:01:48.170
especially given the constantly about
having circumstances the results of the

1427
02:01:48.180 --> 02:01:52.040
proponents on traffic study are
not of by the city's purview t.c.

1428
02:01:52.050 --> 02:01:54.380
Who we've heard from tonight
confronted me about

1429
02:01:54.390 --> 02:01:58.790
a dramatic increase in traffic not trust
to the amount of warre which surrounds the

1430
02:01:58.800 --> 02:02:02.090
process but to those neighborhood streets
that we're going to regularly impacted by

1431
02:02:02.100 --> 02:02:06.200
the majority of trips coming to him from
the proposed development as evidence of

1432
02:02:06.210 --> 02:02:10.790
the extent to which the proposal will
impact traffic patterns the city's has

1433
02:02:10.800 --> 02:02:12.450
recommended that the proponent offer him

1434
02:02:12.460 --> 02:02:18.793
a ration from one end of Broad Street
in Dawn to Essex and Colin street. In

1435
02:02:18.803 --> 02:02:22.813
September of 2013 when the planning board
1st was asked to consider the i.r.

1436
02:02:22.823 --> 02:02:27.713
Overlay for this particular parcel that
was included in the land swap right Emira

1437
02:02:27.723 --> 02:02:31.503
from Jacob engineering stated that the
proposal retail development that was on the

1438
02:02:31.513 --> 02:02:34.713
table at that time would generate
$305.00 new vehicle trips

1439
02:02:34.723 --> 02:02:40.881
a pm peak hour. And on Saturdays nearly
$4500.00 known vehicle trips would result

1440
02:02:41.621 --> 02:02:43.841
for a more recent study prepared by c.e.o.

1441
02:02:43.851 --> 02:02:48.191
Group by Ron Mueller and dissipates
$408.00 vehicles per p.p.m.

1442
02:02:48.201 --> 02:02:53.221
Hour generated by the shopping center on
Saturday that number surprise to $573.00

1443
02:02:53.231 --> 02:02:58.051
new vehicle trips per peak hour these
numbers still assume a high bypass rate for

1444
02:02:58.061 --> 02:03:01.951
a specialty grocer such
as Whole Foods the t.c.

1445
02:03:01.961 --> 02:03:06.081
Numbers these calculations really
only change that number by as as

1446
02:03:06.091 --> 02:03:10.791
a recordset only 4 percent So that number
still pretty high and as I said because

1447
02:03:10.801 --> 02:03:14.591
this is especially gross right from that
the past bearing number is not accurate

1448
02:03:14.601 --> 02:03:18.401
given the type of folks that are likely
to be shopping here oh from where they're

1449
02:03:18.411 --> 02:03:19.721
going to coming from on

1450
02:03:19.731 --> 02:03:23.821
a given weekday area residents will face
6400 tonne of the local trips and on

1451
02:03:23.831 --> 02:03:27.821
Saturdays are the 9400 trips on the line
to Burma laughing and its numbers again

1452
02:03:27.831 --> 02:03:31.941
prepared by the proponents on travel
consultant assume that nearly 50 percent of

1453
02:03:31.951 --> 02:03:35.661
the vehicles represent cars that
are already on the road to see

1454
02:03:35.671 --> 02:03:39.341
a suggested that the percentage of bypass
trips was higher than industry standards

1455
02:03:39.531 --> 02:03:41.001
and that number has been resides as

1456
02:03:41.011 --> 02:03:46.151
a result the most reversion reduces the
percentage of bypass trips but introduces

1457
02:03:46.161 --> 02:03:49.651
a new analysis that is not been previously
offered in any traffic study of this

1458
02:03:49.661 --> 02:03:53.211
development and that's the suggestion the
20 percent of the vehicles visiting the

1459
02:03:53.221 --> 02:03:58.231
shopping center. Will be visiting more than
want to stablish when again the city's

1460
02:03:58.241 --> 02:04:02.911
peer review took issue with that impact
starting that they did not concur with the

1461
02:04:02.921 --> 02:04:03.561
application of

1462
02:04:03.571 --> 02:04:07.811
a blanket 20 percent multi-use trip credit
given that more than 60 percent of the

1463
02:04:07.821 --> 02:04:12.411
side trips will be going to the grocery
store and that would require that the

1464
02:04:12.421 --> 02:04:16.331
balance of 33 percent of the trips to the
other uses would have to be shared with

1465
02:04:16.341 --> 02:04:20.441
the grocery store from all of the other
stores the running of traffic expected as

1466
02:04:20.451 --> 02:04:21.521
a result of this development is

1467
02:04:21.531 --> 02:04:25.731
a great concern for nearby residents or
equally troubling is the impact noted on

1468
02:04:25.741 --> 02:04:29.141
the trip distribution analysis of the
vehicles would frequent this development

1469
02:04:29.501 --> 02:04:33.761
again in September of 2013 in the course
of the developer ations over the proposed

1470
02:04:33.771 --> 02:04:38.261
land swap the Jacobs study was repeated.
He quoted as evidence that only 10 percent

1471
02:04:38.271 --> 02:04:41.391
of the traffic going to the show being
center would travel unbearable Alan

1472
02:04:41.401 --> 02:04:46.021
a daily basis on numerous instances this
number was quoted in public on video in

1473
02:04:46.031 --> 02:04:46.871
print as

1474
02:04:46.881 --> 02:04:50.221
a way to assuage the concerns of the
residents who felt that the process was not

1475
02:04:50.231 --> 02:04:54.301
suitable for retail development residents
did not need to worry that there would be

1476
02:04:54.311 --> 02:04:57.931
a significant increase in traffic since 90
percent of the vehicles would travel to

1477
02:04:57.941 --> 02:05:02.011
and from by way of $128.00 in the off
ramps since then we've learned that 10

1478
02:05:02.021 --> 02:05:02.501
percent was

1479
02:05:02.511 --> 02:05:06.871
a gross underestimate underestimation
of the impact of the traffic from this

1480
02:05:06.881 --> 02:05:11.601
commercial development on. The new trip
distribution analysis by Aramaic and

1481
02:05:11.611 --> 02:05:16.461
confirmed by the cities here confirms that
55 percent of the traffic will rely on

1482
02:05:16.471 --> 02:05:20.861
Burma lab and surrounding neighborhood
streets to access the center because of the

1483
02:05:20.871 --> 02:05:25.571
configuration of phase run all but 15
percent of the pro of the vehicles entering

1484
02:05:25.581 --> 02:05:31.091
the Spaza will have to travel on Brimble
have to either enter or exit the plaza or

1485
02:05:31.211 --> 02:05:34.374
to find their way home and
again this is Bramble I have

1486
02:05:34.384 --> 02:05:37.514
a street that folks rely on to pick their
children up at the 2 elementary schools

1487
02:05:37.524 --> 02:05:39.814
as has been said whether
they need to go to

1488
02:05:39.824 --> 02:05:44.444
a point of the Beverly hospital etc All
of this will add to the constant traffic

1489
02:05:45.444 --> 02:05:49.591
that is already on Burma left. The degree
to which the entire neighborhoods that

1490
02:05:49.601 --> 02:05:53.581
we've talked about will be impacted is best
illustrated by the fact that this peer

1491
02:05:53.591 --> 02:05:55.491
review is recommended remediation over

1492
02:05:55.501 --> 02:06:00.061
a mile east and west of the parcel the
15 percent of shoppers traveling points

1493
02:06:00.071 --> 02:06:03.271
north and west will reduce the
level of service at the inn on

1494
02:06:03.281 --> 02:06:07.741
a Dutch street no viable fix has yet been
proposed for that however the increased

1495
02:06:07.751 --> 02:06:09.901
traffic from the development
Well based on the need for

1496
02:06:09.911 --> 02:06:14.111
a solution the combined 20 percent of
shoppers from the east and south will reduce

1497
02:06:14.121 --> 02:06:18.321
the level of service a bramble enclosure
and Essex Street as well t.c.s.

1498
02:06:18.331 --> 02:06:20.531
Proposed as they set a road
riding in the addition of

1499
02:06:20.541 --> 02:06:24.831
a signal each example serves as proof of
the broader impact of this development in

1500
02:06:24.841 --> 02:06:28.441
addition to the immediate surroundings
of the parcel the cost of these upgrades

1501
02:06:28.451 --> 02:06:31.441
should not be placed on the taxpayers of
brotherly for the benefit of the planet

1502
02:06:31.821 --> 02:06:35.521
the city's mass works Grant is already
essentially provided total access for the

1503
02:06:35.531 --> 02:06:39.361
Brimble of development to date the developer
in the city of not agreed on what

1504
02:06:39.401 --> 02:06:42.921
amount the proponent will offer to
mitigate the traffic on those neighborhood

1505
02:06:42.931 --> 02:06:47.681
streets whatever net benefit in reviewing
of the project provides the city will be

1506
02:06:47.691 --> 02:06:51.801
more than offset by the sacrifice of quality
of life the north Beverly Montserrat

1507
02:06:51.811 --> 02:06:58.014
North Ridge residence for the benefit of
out of town shoppers in addition to this

1508
02:06:58.024 --> 02:07:04.034
point 02 was not granted access to the
connector road for the plaza. The proponent

1509
02:07:04.044 --> 02:07:07.714
is requested that the parking and traffic
commission sign off on that prior to

1510
02:07:07.724 --> 02:07:09.474
getting that and I understand that's

1511
02:07:09.484 --> 02:07:14.164
a lengthy process it would be unfortunate
if the city gave their improv of this

1512
02:07:14.174 --> 02:07:16.074
project only to learn the d.o.t.

1513
02:07:16.474 --> 02:07:20.264
As agreed to something that is now suddenly
out of their control so I would urge

1514
02:07:20.274 --> 02:07:24.474
you not to support that until you have the
state's Ok on that connector road and

1515
02:07:24.484 --> 02:07:26.984
for the reasons I've already been
stated the greatest concern about

1516
02:07:26.994 --> 02:07:32.295
a that is the impact that's likely to
have on the back up of traffic almost on

1517
02:07:32.305 --> 02:07:37.411
a problem. In addition the reduction of
the sidelines any connector road curb cut

1518
02:07:37.711 --> 02:07:41.601
would mean that 75 percent of the traffic
entering or exiting the plaza would

1519
02:07:41.611 --> 02:07:46.101
hinder the flow of the existing traffic
it's always there this would obviously be

1520
02:07:46.111 --> 02:07:49.501
problematic during the morning and evening
commute with the addition of every

1521
02:07:49.511 --> 02:07:52.751
commuters those 1000 additional workers
that we hear about at the coming

1522
02:07:52.761 --> 02:07:56.131
development in addition since the
music theatre traffic is considered

1523
02:07:56.141 --> 02:07:59.991
a special special event there's been little
consideration of the impact it would

1524
02:08:00.001 --> 02:08:00.251
have on

1525
02:08:00.261 --> 02:08:04.921
a commuter on the connector road when 7800
vehicles enter the Sawyer and bramble of

1526
02:08:04.931 --> 02:08:06.931
Rotary's without the benefit of

1527
02:08:06.941 --> 02:08:10.981
a traffic officer in place they'll be no
device in place to remove the traffic

1528
02:08:10.991 --> 02:08:15.301
swiftly and to avoid backups on the 128
since the city has been denied the

1529
02:08:15.311 --> 02:08:19.081
resources to study for these 2 in the
most recent round of mass works funding

1530
02:08:19.421 --> 02:08:23.761
there's no real solution to Brimble have
traffic in the supremacy able future mass

1531
02:08:23.771 --> 02:08:29.581
duty does not have phase 2 construction
scheduled to at least 2024 going budgetary

1532
02:08:29.591 --> 02:08:33.691
concerns on the state and local level
it's not unrealistic to assume their

1533
02:08:33.701 --> 02:08:37.241
residents will be faced with an interesting
traffic burden for years to come as

1534
02:08:37.251 --> 02:08:41.942
a result finally in recognition of the
impact that this proposed shopping center

1535
02:08:41.952 --> 02:08:45.662
would have on its neighbors and the city's
desire for current increased revenues

1536
02:08:46.002 --> 02:08:50.022
the planning board should reject the
proponents current proposal and instead join

1537
02:08:50.032 --> 02:08:52.052
with every residence in
the developer to find

1538
02:08:52.062 --> 02:08:59.035
a balance that is best suited to serve
all parties involved respectfully thank

1539
02:08:59.505 --> 02:09:01.715
you Presley asked you
to deny the issuance of

1540
02:09:01.725 --> 02:09:05.525
a special permit at this time and instead
engage the community in the developer in

1541
02:09:05.535 --> 02:09:07.115
finding a solution that would have

1542
02:09:07.125 --> 02:09:11.195
a less adverse impact on the area traffic
Well the preserving the quality of life

1543
02:09:11.235 --> 02:09:15.445
for all the residents thank you again I
appreciate your time thank you are you

1544
02:09:15.455 --> 02:09:22.115
going to. Mr Dan to us are you able to
submit those comments are you writing

1545
02:09:22.915 --> 02:09:26.395
thank you they were kind of fast I
would have to I would have prepared

1546
02:09:26.405 --> 02:09:28.855
a written statement that anticipated
to be something new the c.v.

1547
02:09:28.865 --> 02:09:32.655
I didn't want them to be my final on
Saturday he may have to the staff thank you.

1548
02:09:45.453 --> 02:09:50.183
Well when I'm alone out.
Of things in my mind.

1549
02:09:53.904 --> 02:09:59.244
I'm very concerned about the children and
the neighborhoods up and not that and I

1550
02:09:59.254 --> 02:09:59.584
don't think

1551
02:09:59.594 --> 02:10:03.714
a lot of these people aware of what's going
on wall. Street up to the neighborhoods

1552
02:10:03.724 --> 02:10:10.206
where the school is and I voted witness
my own pet getting killed and I witness

1553
02:10:10.216 --> 02:10:11.146
a girl almost get hurt on

1554
02:10:11.156 --> 02:10:14.516
a bicycle I would my neighbors
granddaughter almost got hit by

1555
02:10:14.526 --> 02:10:21.348
a car. And I called but we police on this
day have not responded to any of it so my

1556
02:10:21.358 --> 02:10:26.798
concern is the traffic go on to us and up
what we're trying to cross and. It seems

1557
02:10:26.808 --> 02:10:30.768
like this has not been resolved for 28
years as long as I have lived in Walnut

1558
02:10:30.778 --> 02:10:36.640
Avenue and I don't see adding more traffic
to bumble Avenue that's going to help

1559
02:10:36.650 --> 02:10:43.041
this matter. I personally
think the Phase 2

1560
02:10:43.051 --> 02:10:49.151
project which is down the road should be
completed before anything happens here on

1561
02:10:49.161 --> 02:10:52.701
Bumble Avenue and I think that's
going to help traffic down

1562
02:10:52.711 --> 02:10:58.571
a road which we still don't have. Coming
is the full effect of his traffic never

1563
02:10:58.581 --> 02:11:02.241
mind us assess of the music the other which
is I think is great but the community

1564
02:11:02.811 --> 02:11:07.311
and yes I do get stuck in the traffic
from the views of the outer But I think

1565
02:11:07.321 --> 02:11:14.101
someday that might be with the interchange
so I think in lieu of creating more

1566
02:11:14.111 --> 02:11:18.931
traffic here which our focus is trying to
get the state to raise the money to do

1567
02:11:18.941 --> 02:11:23.551
the Phase 2 and proceed with that project
before we even think about adding traffic

1568
02:11:23.601 --> 02:11:28.451
to this area I just don't know whether you
know I'm just looking for weapons Asian

1569
02:11:28.461 --> 02:11:32.711
for the not that we citizens I don't see
it on the planning board as one member on

1570
02:11:32.721 --> 02:11:37.111
this board I believe the lives or not that
was on the corner street side only if

1571
02:11:37.121 --> 02:11:42.131
you live in not Bev where you feel the
effect of what's happening down there. You

1572
02:11:42.141 --> 02:11:45.361
know and I don't I do travel with

1573
02:11:45.371 --> 02:11:50.611
a cold very of my favorite stores up there
convenience store and. But it's just

1574
02:11:51.061 --> 02:11:51.201
it's

1575
02:11:51.211 --> 02:11:54.841
a shame you know I just don't know with weapons
nation is here that we police departments

1576
02:11:54.851 --> 02:11:59.221
not responding to our needs the planning
board I wish they could see what's

1577
02:11:59.231 --> 02:12:03.021
happening you know comes in my front porch
some day and just watch it happen and

1578
02:12:03.081 --> 02:12:07.121
you know I have neighbors that are concerned
we're going to lot of young children

1579
02:12:07.131 --> 02:12:09.321
in a neighborhood now
we have schools we have

1580
02:12:09.331 --> 02:12:13.911
a Hannah school I want to get not developmentally
school and I just wish there was

1581
02:12:13.921 --> 02:12:17.581
some resolve to this and I don't see this
going in the right direction but what the

1582
02:12:17.591 --> 02:12:22.471
developer wants is the wrong thing to add
this grocery store to this neighborhood

1583
02:12:22.781 --> 02:12:24.501
and nothing against Whole
Foods I know they're

1584
02:12:24.511 --> 02:12:28.051
a wonderful store I've seen him everywhere
I worked in cameras there I see the

1585
02:12:28.061 --> 02:12:32.151
store over there and it's great to
have a community I don't foresee

1586
02:12:32.161 --> 02:12:37.021
a whole neighborhood because of what it
brings to traffic so I just wish people

1587
02:12:37.031 --> 02:12:39.251
would do the right thing for
us thank you thank you.

1588
02:12:43.884 --> 02:12:46.957
Michael Logan 15 well not having

1589
02:12:50.908 --> 02:12:57.528
next will be and dangerous organ 151 of
the ave Mr Mueller I wonder if you could

1590
02:12:57.538 --> 02:13:03.618
put your diagram of. Lot roll and

1591
02:13:04.358 --> 02:13:10.809
ramble Ave when you had you know
before that. Maybe or you know

1592
02:13:10.819 --> 02:13:17.630
a couple when I see it oh that

1593
02:13:17.640 --> 02:13:23.161
one I don't know are pretty far away well.

1594
02:13:26.402 --> 02:13:29.303
For. I get what's going.

1595
02:13:41.737 --> 02:13:48.679
On this diagram Ok thank you on this
diagram you show ramble lava no going

1596
02:13:48.689 --> 02:13:55.671
over 128 and continuing now.
You have done road they

1597
02:13:55.681 --> 02:14:02.181
are but you've conveniently left
out oh mon and Walnut Street and.

1598
02:14:03.581 --> 02:14:09.391
Rumble Ave ends at Walnut the road curves
I don't know if you're familiar if any of

1599
02:14:09.401 --> 02:14:16.362
you gone up to next Rose be right at that
intersection by Billy stock and bubbly

1600
02:14:16.372 --> 02:14:23.263
goes up to the corner. Comes in from the
Right now Laurel starts way over an open

1601
02:14:23.273 --> 02:14:30.103
mind it goes through the. Coast Guard
housing and the sex with all that

1602
02:14:30.173 --> 02:14:36.133
and then continues down it. Meets
widely and then continues down to.

1603
02:14:37.483 --> 02:14:40.131
Dodge street. Now there's

1604
02:14:40.141 --> 02:14:46.301
a stop sign at Laurel and dodge no one
stops for that no one stops for the stop

1605
02:14:46.311 --> 02:14:51.761
sign at by the lead and Laurel they just
blow right through it so sign they just

1606
02:14:51.771 --> 02:14:58.401
not the and they're not they're not doing
so. I don't know why they all she can do

1607
02:14:58.551 --> 02:15:03.041
I've gone to the police department tried
for what's meant and that doesn't seem to

1608
02:15:03.051 --> 02:15:10.034
work but what happened is whenever the
traffic that's out and it usually backs

1609
02:15:10.044 --> 02:15:16.924
right up on it at the end the badly
they odds to bypass that road down wall

1610
02:15:16.934 --> 02:15:22.406
that over the Putnam or Laurel to think
they're going to save some time and they go

1611
02:15:22.416 --> 02:15:28.016
with high rates of speed and I'm talking
50 miles an hour and I followed these

1612
02:15:28.056 --> 02:15:29.486
people just to see

1613
02:15:29.626 --> 02:15:34.906
a lot of them live in Hamilton when I'm
and even absence they're not believe

1614
02:15:34.916 --> 02:15:40.308
resident they just blow one through
or another time it's if there's

1615
02:15:40.318 --> 02:15:47.249
a traffic accident could be way over in
Peabody and it backs up traffic on $128.00

1616
02:15:48.059 --> 02:15:49.399
and everybody gets off

1617
02:15:49.569 --> 02:15:55.949
a rumble Avenue and it backs up sometimes
for 2 or 3 hours and they come flying the

1618
02:15:55.959 --> 02:16:00.440
high road there's going to be a
death there and you know adding

1619
02:16:00.810 --> 02:16:04.770
a Whole Foods is not going to help anything
and the people they're gonna go to

1620
02:16:04.780 --> 02:16:09.650
Whole Foods I'm most likely going to go
to Hamilton when nobody else the average

1621
02:16:09.660 --> 02:16:16.561
working person can afford to go via their
high price. Another thing I'd like to say

1622
02:16:16.601 --> 02:16:22.652
is up once away a road with a North
Shore consortium is now that's

1623
02:16:22.662 --> 02:16:29.312
a school for handicapped kids they just
least the building that's between their

1624
02:16:29.322 --> 02:16:34.952
present building and the ice skating rink
in some manufacturing company that went

1625
02:16:34.962 --> 02:16:40.250
out of business. Now they have moving their
other tool schools which are presently

1626
02:16:40.260 --> 02:16:45.650
down at the memorial school their all time
high school and also at the Mike Powell

1627
02:16:45.660 --> 02:16:50.173
and school both of those schools are going
up there so there's going to be an end

1628
02:16:50.643 --> 02:16:57.353
for east of teachers their buses and
they even have hospital I mean not

1629
02:16:57.363 --> 02:17:03.323
ambulances bring in some of the kit but I
know my wife at the drop the and you know

1630
02:17:04.923 --> 02:17:10.873
these experts you have have not even
discussed the extra that extra traffic.

1631
02:17:11.914 --> 02:17:17.854
And another thing that I'd like to say is
all your engine the ads and stuff they

1632
02:17:17.864 --> 02:17:24.334
all live out of town we had still
vote is where taxpayer is and where

1633
02:17:24.344 --> 02:17:27.914
residents they are not we're
going to be around for

1634
02:17:27.924 --> 02:17:33.224
a long time once this projects done you'll
never see him again so if you have any

1635
02:17:33.234 --> 02:17:36.774
concerns you know we're
going to be left with

1636
02:17:36.784 --> 02:17:43.182
a mess so I just hope the board
considers that thank you thank you.

1637
02:17:47.842 --> 02:17:54.592
So much Dan Joyce. And. Next up will

1638
02:17:54.602 --> 02:17:59.792
be Burton hell on ice from $58.00 but.

1639
02:18:02.665 --> 02:18:08.458
I'd actually like to reserve
my comments to. That better.

1640
02:18:11.628 --> 02:18:15.278
I'd like to reserve my comments for
next week if I could but I do have

1641
02:18:15.288 --> 02:18:20.008
a question you may have just addressed this
that the presentation tonight has been

1642
02:18:20.018 --> 02:18:23.058
based on the idea that there is would be

1643
02:18:23.068 --> 02:18:29.948
a curb cut on the connector road
and. This explanation has been based

1644
02:18:29.958 --> 02:18:32.378
on that so if there is not

1645
02:18:32.418 --> 02:18:38.738
a curb cut as of yet would I understand
therefore that the Sawyer road in and out

1646
02:18:38.748 --> 02:18:44.988
would become much more impactful for the
Northridge residents would that become the

1647
02:18:44.998 --> 02:18:50.338
primary in and out I think heard Mr Card
say that if the current code is not

1648
02:18:50.348 --> 02:18:54.888
approved they can have to come back here
for another review entirely that is good

1649
02:18:54.968 --> 02:18:59.128
because that would change the whole
characteristics of the site and then thank you

1650
02:18:59.138 --> 02:19:02.248
very much and then otherwise just to

1651
02:19:02.288 --> 02:19:06.368
a brief comment the stop sign that I think
you've been talking about at the end of

1652
02:19:06.368 --> 02:19:13.348
. Laurel Street where Laurel and
dodges row meet their used Actually

1653
02:19:13.358 --> 02:19:13.778
they used to be

1654
02:19:13.788 --> 02:19:20.498
a stop sign they're coming down and the
other one it. So for whatever reason they

1655
02:19:20.508 --> 02:19:24.808
felt that that apparently whoever the
powers that be had felt that that was not

1656
02:19:24.818 --> 02:19:30.848
working properly to let the traffic flow
so that's when that sign from that coming

1657
02:19:30.858 --> 02:19:37.778
down dodges road was removed and was
briefly replaced by an overhead light and

1658
02:19:37.788 --> 02:19:42.528
then that was removed so that there is
just the one stop sign left so I mean I

1659
02:19:42.538 --> 02:19:45.838
don't if it didn't work when there was
even less traffic I don't know that that

1660
02:19:45.848 --> 02:19:52.441
would be your best solution for solving
that that intersection problem. Thank you.

1661
02:19:58.393 --> 02:20:04.765
For the residents of 58
part number isin now.

1662
02:20:07.285 --> 02:20:07.955
Sample there

1663
02:20:14.905 --> 02:20:18.955
thank you my. Rosemary
Macchio 30 plus in St

1664
02:20:23.756 --> 02:20:28.917
Rosemary I want to wait Ok
you have to want to spray.

1665
02:20:37.468 --> 02:20:43.088
Grocery madly at 30 plus straight I read
the wait till 2 other people speak but but

1666
02:20:43.098 --> 02:20:49.950
there is it has been brought out about the
way the. Trucks You know the 18 wheeler

1667
02:20:49.960 --> 02:20:55.120
the big truck trucks are going to be
delivering to the site and it looks like all

1668
02:20:55.130 --> 02:21:01.241
the traffic is going to be gone by the
trucks behind the whole fool store

1669
02:21:02.061 --> 02:21:05.723
which that road abuts the k.

1670
02:21:05.733 --> 02:21:09.663
Building and in the north bridge so looks
like all those lights and all that

1671
02:21:09.673 --> 02:21:15.583
traffic and I know Commodore Plaza people
on Sergeant street are that street right

1672
02:21:15.593 --> 02:21:16.683
next to there had

1673
02:21:16.693 --> 02:21:23.693
a problem with with delivery trucks those
trucks just I had to win at night so

1674
02:21:23.753 --> 02:21:28.433
there's problems with that too was I just
wonder mentioned that and then the whites

1675
02:21:28.443 --> 02:21:33.263
and all that traffic will be gone and the
headlights would be impacting the way

1676
02:21:33.273 --> 02:21:33.713
that as

1677
02:21:33.723 --> 02:21:38.953
a good question I wanted to ask Ron that
myself how do you see that truck traffic

1678
02:21:38.963 --> 02:21:43.443
and passenger vehicles interacting
in that portion of the site Sure.

1679
02:21:46.875 --> 02:21:51.456
Whole Foods delivery trucks would enter
the site from Brundle avenue into the

1680
02:21:51.466 --> 02:21:58.059
driveway at this location
gravel adjacent to the store

1681
02:21:59.099 --> 02:22:04.469
the back of the store and then back into
the loading areas when they exit the exit

1682
02:22:04.599 --> 02:22:06.659
at this location and then make

1683
02:22:06.669 --> 02:22:13.282
a right turn on so the
connector road. So the

1684
02:22:13.292 --> 02:22:19.292
parking spaces behind these markings
spaces here would be I know there was

1685
02:22:19.302 --> 02:22:23.362
a comment earlier those would be employees
of Whole Foods so there would be no

1686
02:22:23.372 --> 02:22:27.872
activity of those parking spaces certainly
not including the ones on the back

1687
02:22:27.982 --> 02:22:34.704
including the ones on the back that's
correct or thank you you carry

1688
02:22:34.714 --> 02:22:35.704
Cowles on

1689
02:22:35.714 --> 02:22:42.397
a 6 on street. Ok. Going to

1690
02:22:42.407 --> 02:22:48.729
turn 100112 Northridge
right Christian Whitfield

1691
02:22:49.079 --> 02:22:54.641
121 Alex danish for Stewart Lane.

1692
02:22:58.022 --> 02:23:00.742
Next stop is Scott Ferguson.

1693
02:23:08.480 --> 02:23:14.210
Well it stands for Stewart Lane enough
Beverly. A lot of the questions and concerns

1694
02:23:14.220 --> 02:23:15.890
I have have been dressed
but there are still

1695
02:23:15.900 --> 02:23:22.490
a few that I would propose that
be answered tonight and being an

1696
02:23:22.500 --> 02:23:23.800
engineer and particularly

1697
02:23:23.810 --> 02:23:30.800
a mathematician and quite familiar with
statistics. I know how they can be and not

1698
02:23:30.810 --> 02:23:37.482
be skewed in any direction. I'm not quite
sure what assumptions were made for the

1699
02:23:37.932 --> 02:23:39.492
traffic we're talking about

1700
02:23:39.502 --> 02:23:46.272
a Whole Foods store which one feels
just got and I don't know of any others

1701
02:23:46.282 --> 02:23:51.132
in the area and the amount of traffic will
be generated not just from believe that

1702
02:23:51.142 --> 02:23:57.982
from the outside about the way. Have
they been taken account and also what

1703
02:23:57.992 --> 02:24:02.752
assumptions were made when the studies
were made for the for the traffic for

1704
02:24:02.762 --> 02:24:07.982
seasonal traffic we all know that during
holiday seasons Thanksgiving you're going

1705
02:24:07.992 --> 02:24:09.982
to have a lot more people wanting to go to

1706
02:24:09.992 --> 02:24:13.802
a whole foods during the summer you want
to have people want to go to restaurants

1707
02:24:14.322 --> 02:24:19.642
and I'm not quite sure what was what
assumptions were made when these numbers were

1708
02:24:19.652 --> 02:24:22.142
derived. I'm not

1709
02:24:22.152 --> 02:24:26.912
a transportation forecaster I'm not familiar
with gravity models but I am you know

1710
02:24:27.232 --> 02:24:33.701
I do know commonsense. And after all that
one other question I'd like to answer is

1711
02:24:34.001 --> 02:24:39.161
I've seen the left hand turn at Walgreen's
it's quite recent and there are more

1712
02:24:39.171 --> 02:24:43.761
people who want to turn left then there's
room for and the people who want to go

1713
02:24:43.771 --> 02:24:45.231
straight on one

1714
02:24:45.241 --> 02:24:51.801
a heading north get backed up under 128
because people are there waiting in the

1715
02:24:51.911 --> 02:24:53.541
through again wanting to take

1716
02:24:53.551 --> 02:24:58.421
a left hand turn. Could you describe I'd
like to know what kind of distances and

1717
02:24:58.431 --> 02:25:02.251
what studies were made to determine how
long that lane should be so that we no

1718
02:25:02.261 --> 02:25:07.721
traffic backup Ok Thank you Mr mower. You
are absurd you want to address those

1719
02:25:07.761 --> 02:25:14.530
questions thanks very much.
That last question related to

1720
02:25:14.580 --> 02:25:19.160
which location the left hand turn into
from Bristol Ave from Burma Levon into the

1721
02:25:19.170 --> 02:25:21.960
site Ok. What we use

1722
02:25:21.970 --> 02:25:28.110
a traffic analysis models that simulate how
traffic will flow under various traffic

1723
02:25:28.120 --> 02:25:33.540
volume conditions and based on that model
it shows us that there will be on average

1724
02:25:33.550 --> 02:25:35.480
a queue of one car waiting to make

1725
02:25:35.490 --> 02:25:41.640
a left turn that is based on those traffic
projections and nationally accepted

1726
02:25:41.650 --> 02:25:45.900
models. That are used
throughout the country t.c.

1727
02:25:45.910 --> 02:25:49.200
Your own peer review consultant has reviewed
all of that information and they have

1728
02:25:49.210 --> 02:25:53.910
concurred with our methodology and with
those results I'm sorry what's the length

1729
02:25:53.920 --> 02:25:59.000
of that that left turn the length
of the turn lane proposed by d o

1730
02:25:59.010 --> 02:26:02.380
t is about 150 feet and
beyond that it turns into

1731
02:26:02.390 --> 02:26:06.940
a center turn lane so theoretically there's
even more space needed there if needed

1732
02:26:07.190 --> 02:26:07.550
and that's

1733
02:26:07.560 --> 02:26:11.290
a dedicated left turn to the dedicated
left out also Thruway that's only got

1734
02:26:11.300 --> 02:26:15.530
a left turn left turn only so that's
somewhat different from the left one if you

1735
02:26:15.540 --> 02:26:18.170
know the left turning to
walk means but that's also

1736
02:26:18.180 --> 02:26:23.480
a truly Ok I'm not familiar with this is
not Ok and the earlier questions were

1737
02:26:23.490 --> 02:26:29.760
methodology and taking into account
seasonality of traffic in special seasons.

1738
02:26:30.990 --> 02:26:34.980
Obviously during Christmas holiday shopping
season shopping centers and retail

1739
02:26:34.990 --> 02:26:38.870
establishments tend to generate more traffic
that's not necessarily the case for

1740
02:26:39.810 --> 02:26:46.460
a supermarket although it can be but certainly
retail is does generate more traffic

1741
02:26:46.850 --> 02:26:51.430
during the holiday shopping season so yes
there will be more traffic at the site

1742
02:26:51.440 --> 02:26:55.590
during the holiday season however when
we analyze traffic we don't analyze the

1743
02:26:55.600 --> 02:26:58.690
worst case scenario because it is for

1744
02:26:58.700 --> 02:27:03.050
a very short period of time that you have
those traffic conditions and if you tried

1745
02:27:03.060 --> 02:27:09.690
to design. Roads and then of sections to
handle those conditions you would have

1746
02:27:09.700 --> 02:27:15.610
a sea of pavement in the city and everywhere
else to accommodate those levels which

1747
02:27:15.620 --> 02:27:19.390
are simply not needed during other times
of the so that's why we don't design for

1748
02:27:19.400 --> 02:27:26.183
them. The other question
of was on the distribution

1749
02:27:26.223 --> 02:27:31.693
for Whole Foods again we expect because of
the use of that is being proposed whole

1750
02:27:31.703 --> 02:27:36.463
foods that they would actually have more
regional distribution because they will

1751
02:27:36.473 --> 02:27:37.283
draw traffic from

1752
02:27:37.293 --> 02:27:42.003
a larger area and what that would result
in is actually more traffic coming to and

1753
02:27:42.013 --> 02:27:46.633
from $128.00 not to local roads again to
be on on the conservative side of things

1754
02:27:46.643 --> 02:27:53.093
we did not make that assumption that it is
specific to Whole Foods but rather more

1755
02:27:53.103 --> 02:27:55.363
common supermarket that
would draw traffic from

1756
02:27:55.373 --> 02:28:01.603
a local area all of that said means in
reality will likely going to have more

1757
02:28:01.613 --> 02:28:07.664
traffic come from $128.00 and we've assumed
in the traffic study on local roads. Do

1758
02:28:07.674 --> 02:28:11.711
you have any. You know

1759
02:28:12.051 --> 02:28:16.551
a couple of things to note so on the the
1st comment about the supermarket in

1760
02:28:16.681 --> 02:28:21.371
generating more traffic so the Whole
Foods Market does not generate any more

1761
02:28:21.381 --> 02:28:26.241
traffic than any other grocery store in
fact sometimes can generate less because it

1762
02:28:26.251 --> 02:28:26.651
is more of

1763
02:28:26.661 --> 02:28:32.051
a specialty type of store the difference
is where the traffic is coming from so

1764
02:28:32.091 --> 02:28:37.181
Whole Foods Markets do tend to draw traffic
from further away and for that reason

1765
02:28:37.771 --> 02:28:41.831
may generate more traffic coming from the
highway than what was actually estimated

1766
02:28:41.841 --> 02:28:43.771
at Obviously we assume that

1767
02:28:43.781 --> 02:28:50.271
a supermarket use would be there so. It may
actually have more traffic coming from

1768
02:28:50.281 --> 02:28:54.211
the highways than from the local roads
and what was shown in the analysis but

1769
02:28:54.221 --> 02:28:54.911
wouldn't generate

1770
02:28:54.921 --> 02:29:01.601
a higher volume of traffic in terms of the
the seasonal adjustment. Ron really did

1771
02:29:01.611 --> 02:29:07.811
already suggest that we don't design for
peak traffic of the site so we're not

1772
02:29:07.821 --> 02:29:14.791
looking at the we look at average traffic
for site generated trips as opposed to

1773
02:29:15.091 --> 02:29:21.661
you know peak December time when when
there's holiday shopping but in terms of

1774
02:29:21.701 --> 02:29:27.851
adjacent street traffic you are required
to look at average month conditions

1775
02:29:28.631 --> 02:29:31.051
the council were actually
collected were collected in

1776
02:29:31.061 --> 02:29:34.651
a higher than average month
condition so those numbers are

1777
02:29:34.661 --> 02:29:38.231
a little bit conservative already
because they already looked at

1778
02:29:38.441 --> 02:29:41.441
a higher than average month
condition so they were and in

1779
02:29:42.121 --> 02:29:48.991
a little more conservative than. Using
just an average condition and as

1780
02:29:49.001 --> 02:29:49.221
far as

1781
02:29:49.231 --> 02:29:54.211
a left turn I think Ron already addressed
that issue adequately that there is at

1782
02:29:54.221 --> 02:29:56.651
this location as opposed to
at the Walgreen's there is

1783
02:29:56.661 --> 02:30:03.481
a designated left turn lane. And
that left turn lane accommodates 6

1784
02:30:03.491 --> 02:30:09.051
vehicles within the $150.00 foot storage
but in addition it does extend back into

1785
02:30:09.091 --> 02:30:10.131
a to

1786
02:30:10.141 --> 02:30:14.961
a left turn lane that can provide some
additional storage in the event during those

1787
02:30:14.971 --> 02:30:20.571
peak months for the shopping center if there
is additional queuing beyond that one

1788
02:30:20.581 --> 02:30:26.704
vehicle that would occur on an average month
condition thank you thank you for the

1789
02:30:26.714 --> 02:30:33.584
questions they may have just as one question
since Thank you. So somebody brought

1790
02:30:33.594 --> 02:30:40.064
up the folks that are would be coming from
one Hamilton Yes which Essex was there

1791
02:30:40.074 --> 02:30:43.704
any consideration given as to what routes
principal route they would take one would

1792
02:30:43.714 --> 02:30:48.324
think obviously going to take one day Are
they going to spin off and goal dog the

1793
02:30:48.334 --> 02:30:51.804
laurel to. Stay and want to thank you.

1794
02:30:59.516 --> 02:31:06.496
So when the gravity model was prepared we
did look at the shortest travel time to

1795
02:31:06.506 --> 02:31:12.356
the side so traffic that is coming in
from one day to the north much of that

1796
02:31:12.366 --> 02:31:17.806
traffic will come in coming down dodge story
in The Wall Street and down burble ave

1797
02:31:18.426 --> 02:31:23.106
some of that traffic obviously can continue
down when they come in alternative

1798
02:31:23.116 --> 02:31:28.446
routes but essentially all of that traffic
eventually ends up on Bramble Avenue

1799
02:31:28.876 --> 02:31:32.356
coming into the site at some
point along that route.

1800
02:31:36.950 --> 02:31:41.270
All right Mr Chairman Has anybody offered
that you people have been sitting in the

1801
02:31:41.280 --> 02:31:44.130
90 minutes and you haven't even had
a chance to go to the bathroom get

1802
02:31:44.140 --> 02:31:44.970
a drink of water take

1803
02:31:44.980 --> 02:31:48.300
a break stretch your legs I don't know how
you run your committee but do they get

1804
02:31:48.310 --> 02:31:48.920
a chance to get

1805
02:31:48.930 --> 02:31:55.540
a break know or are hard because the team
here. So so it's got Housman approach. I

1806
02:31:55.550 --> 02:31:59.730
think we can make it till 10 o'clock and I
think I was thinking of course there in

1807
02:31:59.740 --> 02:32:02.910
the people in the committee thank you for
your time you surface in your effort in

1808
02:32:02.920 --> 02:32:07.040
your insurance especially and the only thing
that comes in the comparisons are your

1809
02:32:07.080 --> 02:32:10.340
Mr Ferguson Scott Ferguson
former member of the z.b.

1810
02:32:10.350 --> 02:32:16.661
a Presently living on br in the lab. We had
meetings that went to 130 but at least

1811
02:32:16.671 --> 02:32:17.061
gave people

1812
02:32:17.071 --> 02:32:21.101
a break so much has been mentioned by
so many other people tonight that it's

1813
02:32:21.111 --> 02:32:27.382
extremely difficult to not repeat things
so with all due. On the person that was at

1814
02:32:27.392 --> 02:32:29.412
the microphone the last time you
had a meeting and didn't get

1815
02:32:29.422 --> 02:32:33.502
a chance to speak to probably the most
pertinent thing to this if you still run up

1816
02:32:33.512 --> 02:32:40.072
the same way I've heard $400.00 plus
hearings $250.00 plus special permits

1817
02:32:41.334 --> 02:32:47.104
saw the evolution of the special permit
from when it was not quite clear terribly

1818
02:32:47.114 --> 02:32:51.514
confusing ask any of the lawyers that had
to deal with it but special permits went

1819
02:32:51.524 --> 02:32:51.894
around in

1820
02:32:51.904 --> 02:32:56.324
a circle and at this still operating with
the same criteria it turns out that you

1821
02:32:56.334 --> 02:33:00.734
can only address yourself
to 2927 c 2 a through f.

1822
02:33:00.794 --> 02:33:01.814
Those are the criteria for

1823
02:33:01.824 --> 02:33:06.454
a special permit is that true or not so
tonight I can't speak to the most important

1824
02:33:06.464 --> 02:33:12.628
of all of them which is use because tonight
we're talking just about traffic and

1825
02:33:12.638 --> 02:33:16.398
we're going to come back next week or the
week following well used can be used can

1826
02:33:16.408 --> 02:33:22.189
be summed up in traffic for us. I think
the most pertinent thing was said by Dan

1827
02:33:23.150 --> 02:33:28.460
some emotional things said by people in
that end of the project on the south end of

1828
02:33:28.470 --> 02:33:34.333
it towards Montserrat train station so it's
dead on both ends all I can do is chime

1829
02:33:34.343 --> 02:33:40.480
in and agree with you with direct
evidence. Not a prophet. Not

1830
02:33:40.490 --> 02:33:43.300
a computer computer simulation
because if you think

1831
02:33:43.310 --> 02:33:47.800
a computer simulation works for reality
ask people to design the Raptor program

1832
02:33:48.732 --> 02:33:48.922
that's

1833
02:33:48.932 --> 02:33:53.962
a strike fighter they never actually built the
plane they relied on computer simulations

1834
02:33:54.332 --> 02:34:00.452
and that project is 5 times over budget
I don't believe computer simulations I

1835
02:34:00.462 --> 02:34:05.892
believe direct evidence of people that
live in the community I wake up in the

1836
02:34:05.902 --> 02:34:09.692
morning and I read the paper I sit there
in the state is and I watch the traffic go

1837
02:34:09.702 --> 02:34:12.212
by 3200 is a is

1838
02:34:12.222 --> 02:34:18.033
a conservative estimate that's conservative
just consider the stink in the stench

1839
02:34:18.043 --> 02:34:23.424
in the carbon imprint for one thing because
I smell it I see it the animals in the

1840
02:34:23.434 --> 02:34:29.085
area are experiencing ask the crossing God
woman that test to deal with the amount

1841
02:34:29.095 --> 02:34:32.565
of traffic that goes by the intersection
upon the road in Brimble at 5 days

1842
02:34:32.575 --> 02:34:38.125
a week ask the people that wash their cars
on brim allowed on my and you are not

1843
02:34:38.345 --> 02:34:39.335
your eyes on

1844
02:34:39.345 --> 02:34:42.705
a Saturday morning if you worked all week
and you want to clean up your car and you

1845
02:34:42.715 --> 02:34:49.285
see what goes by it doesn't live there it
doesn't it's not impacted by it it's just

1846
02:34:49.295 --> 02:34:56.086
simply traveling through those
traffic things real by direct

1847
02:34:56.506 --> 02:35:00.867
evidence not by some kind of numbers
of something people that live in the

1848
02:35:00.877 --> 02:35:07.259
neighborhood ever experiencing that So
when you make this decision. I guess the

1849
02:35:07.269 --> 02:35:10.449
most pertinent thing to say to you I think
I had to write it down so I would get

1850
02:35:10.459 --> 02:35:16.201
emotional the number of times that I worked
on all the permits and variances and

1851
02:35:16.211 --> 02:35:20.941
especially administrative hearings when
things were really nasty on the zoning

1852
02:35:20.951 --> 02:35:26.843
board about 10 years ago the overriding
decision making thing that I made

1853
02:35:26.853 --> 02:35:33.766
regardless of the lawyers that regardless
of the engine is was is this project good

1854
02:35:33.776 --> 02:35:40.731
for the neighborhood yes or no. I know
what the criteria is this project not

1855
02:35:40.741 --> 02:35:43.191
that that place cannot be developed
with something else that's

1856
02:35:43.201 --> 02:35:48.781
a separate argument to me but this project
this whole foods at that location is

1857
02:35:48.791 --> 02:35:51.951
that good for this neighborhood and I
think I've answered that question for you

1858
02:35:51.961 --> 02:35:57.751
without even bothering to say so what I
ask you from all the hot hot soul of salt

1859
02:35:58.131 --> 02:36:01.931
because I spoke to the people on the Common
Council when they voted on this people

1860
02:36:01.941 --> 02:36:05.511
that I worked with for years and I had this
conversation with them directly and we

1861
02:36:05.521 --> 02:36:10.182
all know how they voted we all know
what direction they went wild when

1862
02:36:10.192 --> 02:36:16.967
a friend and he just leave it there I live
there these people live there have you

1863
02:36:16.977 --> 02:36:21.737
heard anybody tonight into this microphone
that lives to speak in favor of this

1864
02:36:21.747 --> 02:36:26.109
project the answer that's obvious I don't
think I need to go on and on anymore

1865
02:36:26.119 --> 02:36:29.459
other than to say to you
that I implore you as

1866
02:36:29.469 --> 02:36:34.709
a person that lives in this directly
affected by this that this project at this

1867
02:36:34.719 --> 02:36:40.482
locus at this time is just simply
wrong and I see it time I give.

1868
02:36:46.062 --> 02:36:52.183
It or Johnson. Next
step will be Bill squit

1869
02:36:56.324 --> 02:37:00.304
after this John Peter Johnson $677.00
Hill Street and this is going to be quite

1870
02:37:00.314 --> 02:37:04.754
dispassionate and it's regardless of
whether this project goes through or not I

1871
02:37:04.764 --> 02:37:10.886
would just observe that at the the
intersection of. Dodge and moral streets it's

1872
02:37:10.896 --> 02:37:15.286
been addressed several times and I
appreciated the comments about there were to

1873
02:37:15.296 --> 02:37:18.446
stop signs there before
they disappeared there was

1874
02:37:18.456 --> 02:37:22.436
a big fiasco as the state highway department
tried to time the lights all the way

1875
02:37:22.446 --> 02:37:28.407
back down to one. So that may be why the
the stop signs are gone I'm not sure we

1876
02:37:28.417 --> 02:37:31.627
can civilize anybody but
I think if you put in

1877
02:37:31.637 --> 02:37:37.327
a stop sign both that God St and at
Lowell street Laurel Street sorry.

1878
02:37:38.950 --> 02:37:45.150
So the alternate is imagine that. No one
turning left on Laurel going over toward

1879
02:37:45.160 --> 02:37:51.140
union can get in because people are
nose to tail going down Dodge street

1880
02:37:52.681 --> 02:37:53.411
we mention that there's

1881
02:37:53.421 --> 02:37:58.841
a problem with the gap in the loop which
might allow the traffic signal of change I

1882
02:37:58.851 --> 02:38:02.641
would just suggest that the gap will be
filled by those people grateful to be able

1883
02:38:02.651 --> 02:38:09.644
to turn left from Laurel Street on to
dodge before the next cars hoops and I

1884
02:38:09.654 --> 02:38:13.964
would just recommend that the traffic
people really revisit the issue put in

1885
02:38:13.974 --> 02:38:18.934
a pair of stop signs there change that
loop to allow for the fact that traffic

1886
02:38:18.944 --> 02:38:24.394
could be coming from Laurel and you probably
have that problem reduced certainly

1887
02:38:24.404 --> 02:38:29.774
not not. Removed altogether but I think
that would address that particular issue

1888
02:38:29.784 --> 02:38:35.904
reasonably thank you
thank you. Bill script.

1889
02:38:37.284 --> 02:38:42.084
Ask. Ross Cowan 62 Northridge.

1890
02:38:44.947 --> 02:38:48.689
And only blander $67.00 Brimble Avenue.

1891
02:38:58.344 --> 02:39:02.784
Hi My name is Emily bland
Jr I live at 67 from

1892
02:39:02.794 --> 02:39:09.497
a lab. And I just feel obligated to
comment because I will be directly

1893
02:39:09.507 --> 02:39:16.267
impacted by this as I live right on. I've
lived there for 8 years now I have 3

1894
02:39:16.277 --> 02:39:20.777
small children one of which attends
Hannah All of which who will be attending

1895
02:39:20.787 --> 02:39:27.667
Hannah. And so obviously safety
is my main concern as you know

1896
02:39:27.677 --> 02:39:34.268
right now the way. The traffic
is challenging at best.

1897
02:39:35.358 --> 02:39:39.418
We walk to school when we can but as you
know there was an incident last year at

1898
02:39:39.428 --> 02:39:41.358
Hanna where a child was actually struck by

1899
02:39:41.368 --> 02:39:48.298
a car. Resulting in the crossing
guards which has been helpful but I

1900
02:39:48.308 --> 02:39:51.181
guess. To hear that
there's going to be such

1901
02:39:51.221 --> 02:39:58.191
a significant increase in an
area that's already so. You know

1902
02:39:58.201 --> 02:40:02.743
busy and. You know with
it being children in

1903
02:40:02.753 --> 02:40:08.335
a school zone it just really baffles me
that this could be something that that we

1904
02:40:08.345 --> 02:40:13.605
would consider And I just ask that you
really think of the families that live there

1905
02:40:13.615 --> 02:40:17.455
that bought these houses with
the goals of you know living in

1906
02:40:17.465 --> 02:40:21.195
a community where we could walk to school
the way I did when I grew up in Beverly.

1907
02:40:22.665 --> 02:40:29.355
And you know to find out
$24000.00 additional cars or

1908
02:40:29.365 --> 02:40:34.155
trucks per day. Just really makes me nervous
and I just would ask that you would

1909
02:40:34.165 --> 02:40:38.825
consider that and think of the real people
that live Pierre who want to be Beverly

1910
02:40:38.905 --> 02:40:44.465
residents and want to continue to you know
see walkability and pedestrian safety

1911
02:40:45.425 --> 02:40:50.646
but I would just ask you to consider that
and please deny this application. Thank

1912
02:40:50.656 --> 02:40:57.438
you thank you. Or

1913
02:40:57.448 --> 02:41:04.351
Ron Johnson $172.00 Brimble to
be followed by Patricia Wilson.

1914
02:41:18.355 --> 02:41:25.187
Johnson once of need to bring
a new. I. Have lived for

1915
02:41:25.197 --> 02:41:31.978
a large part of my life. And. I just
can't believe that this project.

1916
02:41:33.538 --> 02:41:39.861
Just to me seems to be it's so fraught
with difficulty and the negative impact on

1917
02:41:39.871 --> 02:41:45.291
the quality of life that I I just wonder
what is in this for Beverly it's going to

1918
02:41:45.331 --> 02:41:50.181
negatively affect the people that live on
Beverly in live that live when you live

1919
02:41:50.191 --> 02:41:55.241
in the neighborhood. And I just
don't see it's a project that's got

1920
02:41:55.251 --> 02:42:02.151
a lot of problems and I just strongly
oppose it just common sense seems to me to

1921
02:42:02.161 --> 02:42:08.821
say don't do this there's no reason to
do this I'd also like to compliment you

1922
02:42:08.831 --> 02:42:12.641
listen all the hard work that he and
his fellow members of the North barely

1923
02:42:12.651 --> 02:42:19.612
Association have put into this project and.
They really should be congratulated for

1924
02:42:19.622 --> 02:42:24.862
the work that they did so I just wanted
to express my opposition to this my life

1925
02:42:24.872 --> 02:42:28.692
strong opposition to it thank
you very much. Thank you.

1926
02:42:32.222 --> 02:42:33.072
But you're sure Wilson.

1927
02:42:40.593 --> 02:42:43.324
Janice you know sent

1928
02:42:43.334 --> 02:42:49.487
a 25 foster drive. Left Jeanette and.

1929
02:42:50.907 --> 02:42:51.827
Something 15.

1930
02:42:59.078 --> 02:43:01.058
And next up will be Britney McRae.

1931
02:43:09.639 --> 02:43:15.849
A My name is Greg and I live at 15 but Lee
Avenue. That's right on the corner of

1932
02:43:15.859 --> 02:43:21.849
Laurel and Bud Lee the 2nd house in from
the railroad track most dangerous spot in

1933
02:43:21.859 --> 02:43:28.761
that area I've lived in bubbly for 60
years at this location for 37 years so

1934
02:43:28.771 --> 02:43:28.871
I'm

1935
02:43:28.881 --> 02:43:34.802
a traffic expert Ok you didn't have to hire
anybody you could come by my house and

1936
02:43:34.812 --> 02:43:41.633
asked I've seen every telephone pole in
the area hit at least once every fence

1937
02:43:41.643 --> 02:43:48.414
taken down and my own son hit at the cross
walk I strongly oppose what you're doing

1938
02:43:49.316 --> 02:43:53.326
in good conscience you can't go
forward Thank you thank you.

1939
02:44:00.278 --> 02:44:03.679
Brittany McRae Paula.

1940
02:44:07.160 --> 02:44:13.603
Ellen. $22.00 and Toby Klaus

1941
02:44:13.683 --> 02:44:19.880
$29.00. Joe Yaffa 23 lecture I have

1942
02:44:19.890 --> 02:44:26.886
a new I'm sorry Lee And next

1943
02:44:26.896 --> 02:44:27.856
up is Jim Fahy.

1944
02:44:34.468 --> 02:44:41.448
Yeah 23 legs sure revenue
alright. Couple of

1945
02:44:41.458 --> 02:44:44.388
points. Contrary to

1946
02:44:44.398 --> 02:44:51.068
a lot of the attendees I mean I'm not
necessarily opposed to the content

1947
02:44:51.598 --> 02:44:57.988
of what the developer wants to bring
in however the traffic situation

1948
02:44:58.628 --> 02:45:01.058
is difficult when

1949
02:45:01.068 --> 02:45:06.688
a call of the nightmare Yeah either agree
with I you really I'm up here to try and

1950
02:45:06.698 --> 02:45:13.549
clarify some points. Well
if you're coming or for

1951
02:45:13.559 --> 02:45:19.020
$128.00 and you're headed up to Oh Ok.

1952
02:45:22.823 --> 02:45:26.594
That was the let's go back to the.

1953
02:45:30.815 --> 02:45:35.686
You know you know. If I have this right.

1954
02:45:38.507 --> 02:45:44.249
The connector road is here is that correct
All right so if you're coming up for 128

1955
02:45:44.539 --> 02:45:49.509
and you're hitting the roundabout and
you're going to Sawyer road with this new

1956
02:45:49.519 --> 02:45:52.699
suggested access zag allowing

1957
02:45:52.709 --> 02:45:59.362
a left turn now so how would you
access the plaza from Sawyer

1958
02:45:59.372 --> 02:46:04.392
route you coming off for once one has
go through both it take go through the

1959
02:46:04.402 --> 02:46:10.423
roundabout you take him on to the connector
road in from that direction. Ok All

1960
02:46:10.433 --> 02:46:17.195
right well my concern is that given
the traffic I know the roundabout

1961
02:46:17.205 --> 02:46:23.847
supposed to mitigate that given the
traffic that you're now injecting

1962
02:46:23.857 --> 02:46:30.648
coming out of the plaza into
traffic that's headed to the

1963
02:46:31.018 --> 02:46:36.191
northernmost roundabout. Is
there any way to consider.

1964
02:46:38.333 --> 02:46:39.663
A straddle lane with

1965
02:46:39.673 --> 02:46:46.493
a left hand turn on to the plaza.
So that the traffic coming off 128

1966
02:46:47.273 --> 02:46:53.984
is split right at the 1st roundabout
on to so you are for people one the go

1967
02:46:54.074 --> 02:46:58.644
on so you are the plaza and then those
who want to head north to the other

1968
02:46:58.654 --> 02:47:02.524
roundabout to take a
right on Bramble or take

1969
02:47:02.534 --> 02:47:09.384
a left to go to the music the other soldiers
raise that question because now let's

1970
02:47:09.394 --> 02:47:15.906
shift to brim 11 yo if I am traveling
on Brimble Avenue towards the

1971
02:47:15.916 --> 02:47:19.256
plaza. I assume I'll be allowed

1972
02:47:19.576 --> 02:47:26.346
a left hand turn access the plaza
this are right is there sorry

1973
02:47:26.356 --> 02:47:33.170
about that. Oh really as to opt in the way

1974
02:47:34.933 --> 02:47:41.223
you want to adjust that So if you are
allowed the left hand turn is there any

1975
02:47:41.233 --> 02:47:46.173
mitigation there is a roundabout
at the front entry is there

1976
02:47:46.183 --> 02:47:53.153
a straddle or queue lane on Bramble Avenue
and the north and this there are high

1977
02:47:53.563 --> 02:48:00.503
and he's saying only one car the
gentleman from the traffic apparently

1978
02:48:00.513 --> 02:48:05.283
that's what the traffic study shows but
the queue can hold up to 6 but the queue

1979
02:48:05.293 --> 02:48:09.583
can hold up to 6 and potentially
more right now is there

1980
02:48:09.593 --> 02:48:14.493
a roundabout at that front entrance
now so you just where they have

1981
02:48:14.503 --> 02:48:20.483
a straddle lane where people
signalling left Inter Ok correct.

1982
02:48:22.540 --> 02:48:26.930
Personally I have issues with that because
I think that's going to get difficult

1983
02:48:27.470 --> 02:48:34.170
All right the other point I'd like
to make is. I do agree with the

1984
02:48:34.180 --> 02:48:39.000
traffic permanent traffic signal
that is presently needed.

1985
02:48:41.001 --> 02:48:47.292
Rimmel Levon calling streets that's very
difficult as it stands right now I would

1986
02:48:47.302 --> 02:48:53.912
that for the traffic Commission
and the developer are the experts

1987
02:48:54.793 --> 02:49:01.003
to look somewhat further when they get
into Brimble Avenue meeting Essex Street

1988
02:49:01.803 --> 02:49:08.605
our right hand turn only at that point
would be very helpful but now you have

1989
02:49:08.615 --> 02:49:15.207
a situation where the people who want to
go on to the plaza Well now take the left

1990
02:49:15.217 --> 02:49:21.819
hand turn at the traffic light
trailer behind the park Island

1991
02:49:22.970 --> 02:49:25.951
make a u. Turn and now take

1992
02:49:25.961 --> 02:49:32.751
a left hand turn to go into the plaza
at various stages of the day that's

1993
02:49:32.761 --> 02:49:37.101
not going to do much to
stop the traffic back up.

1994
02:49:40.043 --> 02:49:47.033
That's pretty much it. The other
concern I have is whether or not

1995
02:49:47.043 --> 02:49:53.873
the hours they used for the traffic
study. I'd like to just be informed of

1996
02:49:54.676 --> 02:50:01.176
how many train crossings are how many
stops at the Montserrat train station

1997
02:50:01.686 --> 02:50:08.376
occurred during those study periods and
how many train stoppings there were but

1998
02:50:08.386 --> 02:50:14.696
the Dodge street station during
those study periods Esca Rebecca

1999
02:50:15.296 --> 02:50:16.986
can answer that question please.

2000
02:50:27.230 --> 02:50:32.130
So there are 4 trains that come through
during the evening peak period in the am

2001
02:50:32.140 --> 02:50:39.121
peak period that stop at those
stops Ok that's well. My

2002
02:50:39.431 --> 02:50:44.243
parting comment would be that the
board look at this project as

2003
02:50:44.253 --> 02:50:45.453
a whole now there's

2004
02:50:45.463 --> 02:50:51.893
a Whole Foods Project and it's entirety
which I trust you will do and that you know

2005
02:50:52.053 --> 02:50:56.693
be not be influenced by
any future mitigation of

2006
02:50:56.703 --> 02:51:02.695
a 2nd phase project because there's
no assurance that will occur

2007
02:51:03.315 --> 02:51:08.955
although you know there are plans for there's
but I think they're with the present

2008
02:51:08.965 --> 02:51:13.925
situation and make an appropriate
judgment thank you thank you.

2009
02:51:21.446 --> 02:51:26.897
Jim Fahy Judy Martin

2010
02:51:27.227 --> 02:51:32.689
a palmer followed by Tony Toledo.

2011
02:51:39.420 --> 02:51:44.953
Good evening Yami De Mar napalm
wrote I did also want to ask Ivan

2012
02:51:44.963 --> 02:51:47.753
a question I want to ask you had like
to hold my comments for next meeting if

2013
02:51:47.763 --> 02:51:54.123
possible. A few meetings ago Mr Thompson
you had asked when we were looking at

2014
02:51:55.714 --> 02:51:57.574
hard trips and the traffic numbers as

2015
02:51:57.584 --> 02:52:04.264
a whole you would ask Mr Cohen to
provide something to compare to the

2016
02:52:04.554 --> 02:52:07.284
special permit being
granted numbers meaning

2017
02:52:07.334 --> 02:52:11.024
a build as right now I don't if I'm phrasing
it right but what they did build now

2018
02:52:11.034 --> 02:52:15.924
by right without special permits so we
could compare apples to apples and make

2019
02:52:15.934 --> 02:52:21.694
a good decision and I've seen some numbers
based on intersection and based on peak

2020
02:52:21.704 --> 02:52:22.704
hours but I haven't seen

2021
02:52:22.714 --> 02:52:28.105
a whole day number of comparisons as that
available now did that with that produced

2022
02:52:28.445 --> 02:52:32.965
I'm not aware that the traffic trip study
was done for that I think was depicted

2023
02:52:32.975 --> 02:52:33.215
was

2024
02:52:33.225 --> 02:52:39.805
a potential development of offices on site
of but I'm not sure the traffic information

2025
02:52:39.815 --> 02:52:41.815
came with that Mr Cohen that correct.

2026
02:53:10.901 --> 02:53:15.731
Ok. Ok I'm going to repeat that's for
those of you couldn't hear Mr Carter was

2027
02:53:15.741 --> 02:53:21.831
saying that the the traffic information
was provided was that for the office

2028
02:53:22.703 --> 02:53:26.903
development the theoretical as of right
office development there would be

2029
02:53:27.033 --> 02:53:32.293
a greater impact on the commuter
hours. And less so on Saturday

2030
02:53:33.684 --> 02:53:37.784
which just generally speaking with no clear
we're not going to have numbers where

2031
02:53:37.794 --> 02:53:42.074
we can never have those huge day number
numbers and the huge weekend numbers and I

2032
02:53:42.084 --> 02:53:46.214
think it would have been nice to be able
to compare what he because we know that

2033
02:53:46.224 --> 02:53:50.604
you can build and we know that he's going
to kill it and correct I don't read to

2034
02:53:50.614 --> 02:53:51.794
you what I was just handed from

2035
02:53:51.804 --> 02:53:57.946
a new here this is from the
table. Thank you traffic by ams.

2036
02:53:59.386 --> 02:54:04.946
For the North Shore crossing and again I
presume these bear relationship to the

2037
02:54:04.956 --> 02:54:11.136
current numbers but the amp peak hour for
the proposed development was 116 he has

2038
02:54:11.146 --> 02:54:17.008
a right office again the so 300000
square foot building. Was 461.

2039
02:54:18.690 --> 02:54:19.420
But we don't have

2040
02:54:19.430 --> 02:54:25.372
a whole day none of these are all everything's
done on ours Ok peak hour but Ok the

2041
02:54:25.382 --> 02:54:31.092
pm peak our current project is
$348.00 the as of right was for 14

2042
02:54:32.284 --> 02:54:38.261
the Saturday peak hour. With the current
development is $518.00 and as Mr Carr

2043
02:54:38.271 --> 02:54:43.821
mentioned the as of right office would only
be $129.00 for the Saturday Ok so I are

2044
02:54:43.831 --> 02:54:48.431
effects on the peak hours understood and
we all would expect that based on what he

2045
02:54:48.441 --> 02:54:50.271
has the right to build now versus what

2046
02:54:50.941 --> 02:54:55.661
a special permit would allow So I just was
hoping to get whole trip numbers because

2047
02:54:55.671 --> 02:55:00.431
it's the volumes of traffic in terms of
looking at undue traffic and the difference

2048
02:55:00.441 --> 02:55:04.781
in those volumes per day that I think
people would understand also the weekend

2049
02:55:04.791 --> 02:55:09.711
impact if you look at Saturday
and also Sunday. Based on

2050
02:55:09.761 --> 02:55:16.251
a permit for retail and no permit for
retail is going to be very scary. I guess

2051
02:55:16.261 --> 02:55:21.733
I'll ask the applicant or unit position
to provide full day numbers for the.

2052
02:55:23.114 --> 02:55:24.124
Theoretical build up.

2053
02:55:38.909 --> 02:55:41.099
We've we've heard now and we've heard

2054
02:55:41.109 --> 02:55:47.949
a number of times from Mr De Angelus
and others that. They want to focus on

2055
02:55:48.009 --> 02:55:54.589
the daily numbers and the daily numbers
sure it's important it's in the study we

2056
02:55:54.599 --> 02:55:59.989
were all entitled to would know what that
number is but it's somewhat abstract and

2057
02:56:00.359 --> 02:56:04.609
well people have said that they want these
numbers to be meaningful How will it

2058
02:56:04.619 --> 02:56:10.359
actually be experienced by those who live
in the neighborhood well in order to

2059
02:56:10.369 --> 02:56:15.949
translate these big daily numbers into
something that's meaningful you know it has

2060
02:56:15.959 --> 02:56:22.800
to be taken further you have to break
it down. Into an hour and then you

2061
02:56:22.810 --> 02:56:27.060
have to distribute it in the different
roads you don't sit in one place and

2062
02:56:27.070 --> 02:56:34.060
experience 4000 vehicles passing before
your house you it is distributed by the

2063
02:56:34.070 --> 02:56:39.000
roads of the hour and that's why you
know traffic engineer and all traffic

2064
02:56:39.010 --> 02:56:44.620
engineers you know you focus on 1st
distributing the traffic and then focusing on

2065
02:56:44.630 --> 02:56:49.370
the worst peak hour so certainly you know
if we can produce any of the number I'm

2066
02:56:49.380 --> 02:56:55.790
sure those big numbers 400-6000 they're
there they sound scary and some are

2067
02:56:55.800 --> 02:57:01.460
seeking to produce numbers that sound
scary but they're not meaningful it's the

2068
02:57:01.510 --> 02:57:06.821
it's the peak hour numbers
that are meaningful Thank you.

2069
02:57:08.901 --> 02:57:12.631
And I am not going to comment but quality
of life and breathing in fields if you

2070
02:57:12.641 --> 02:57:17.141
live on Burma level new is based on all
of the cars that you're that are driving

2071
02:57:17.851 --> 02:57:23.161
not when they're driving down intermittently.
A lot of that comes into play no

2072
02:57:23.171 --> 02:57:26.711
that's not traffic and it's part
of my other question but my only

2073
02:57:26.721 --> 02:57:31.451
a common is weekends are when people can
breathe are the people who back out of

2074
02:57:31.461 --> 02:57:35.221
their driveways to get on to Bramble
Avenue who sometimes can't get out for

2075
02:57:35.231 --> 02:57:38.851
a very long period of time during the week
because the traffic during the week is

2076
02:57:38.861 --> 02:57:45.411
very heavy weekends they can actually
breathe wash their cars 6500 additional new

2077
02:57:45.571 --> 02:57:47.811
trips on a Saturday plus
how many 1000 more on

2078
02:57:47.821 --> 02:57:51.751
a Sunday because we're not getting
Sunday numbers is a huge difference to

2079
02:57:51.761 --> 02:57:55.471
a neighborhood and I would just
argue that yeah those numbers as

2080
02:57:55.481 --> 02:57:58.891
a whole are very important
to us thank you thank you.

2081
02:58:05.241 --> 02:58:12.023
Tony Toyota followed by Rick Marciano
Oh totally don't with me have. It just

2082
02:58:12.033 --> 02:58:17.661
seems to me that. All of the traffic stuff
is smoke and mirrors to me because what

2083
02:58:17.671 --> 02:58:21.461
people talk about with common sense and
looking at it it seems like we have

2084
02:58:21.471 --> 02:58:22.781
a huge thing there that draws

2085
02:58:22.791 --> 02:58:27.911
a lot of traffic that it's going to take
that much more. To the roads and such in

2086
02:58:27.921 --> 02:58:32.411
a puts me in mind of the old Emerson quote
where they where he had said the more he

2087
02:58:32.421 --> 02:58:36.621
proclaimed his honesty the more I count
my spoons so the more that I hear that

2088
02:58:36.631 --> 02:58:40.341
there's going to be less and less traffic
the more that I feel like Brimble av is

2089
02:58:40.351 --> 02:58:45.362
going to be still life with cars so I
would ask that this be denied Thank you.

2090
02:58:52.194 --> 02:58:56.964
Are you going to talk for more than
2 minutes all right. All right.

2091
02:59:00.044 --> 02:59:04.944
Well here's the plan of what meetings and
all the other meetings. And what we want

2092
02:59:04.954 --> 02:59:05.204
to k.

2093
02:59:05.214 --> 02:59:10.364
Street overall this is nothing to do with
the employees it will hide but this is

2094
02:59:10.374 --> 02:59:11.984
the worst I've ever seen

2095
02:59:11.994 --> 02:59:16.404
a planning board meeting go there's never
There's no closure to this of Thank you

2096
02:59:16.414 --> 02:59:21.055
Rick the The Because you go you're going
through it all get the state everything

2097
02:59:21.065 --> 02:59:24.995
approved from the state what you're allowed
to do with all that 1st then come back

2098
02:59:25.005 --> 02:59:29.045
and tell the citizens what's going on
right now this is so confusing for the

2099
02:59:29.055 --> 02:59:30.055
average citizen they don't have

2100
02:59:30.065 --> 02:59:34.455
a clue right now so I respectfully ask just
try to get all the answers together to

2101
02:59:34.465 --> 02:59:39.185
help the citizens other than that the
t word the traffic that's that's

2102
02:59:39.195 --> 02:59:39.865
a whole nother That's

2103
02:59:39.875 --> 02:59:43.865
a nightmare and I hope hopefully you listen
to that that's all all right I get our

2104
02:59:43.875 --> 02:59:49.815
continue this meeting to our next
hearing which is on the rim I mean 20.

2105
02:59:51.926 --> 02:59:57.336
Wednesday next week is our next meeting and
it's it starts at 7 our next meeting is

2106
02:59:57.376 --> 03:00:04.050
next week on Wednesday.
Our next meeting is

2107
03:00:04.060 --> 03:00:10.950
next next week at 7 pm. We're doing the
best we can and I'm sorry thank you all

2108
03:00:11.840 --> 03:00:12.560
meeting a drug.