1 00:00:04,30 --> 00:00:11,26 Well you know why three years and back OK OK. OK Can we call our meeting 2 00:00:11,64 --> 00:00:18,04 on March second meeting the action committee and the Warren Finance Committee to 3 00:00:18,05 --> 00:00:23,88 order at this time and what we'd like to do before we actually begin our meeting 4 00:00:23,89 --> 00:00:28,52 tonight is to just remember John Moore who is 5 00:00:28,53 --> 00:00:35,08 a very faithful attendee at all of our meetings for so many years that in 6 00:00:35,50 --> 00:00:40,06 circle on the war and Finance Committee and as I represented to the school I think 7 00:00:40,66 --> 00:00:46,37 we all agree that John always listened and that he is analogies were always based 8 00:00:46,41 --> 00:00:51,81 on fairness trying to be fair to the taxpayers and also he'll listen to what how it 9 00:00:51,82 --> 00:00:58,61 was going to affect but that's. And. He his absence is certainly going to be very 10 00:00:58,62 --> 00:01:02,74 much noticed it all over I mean we want so could we just have just 11 00:01:02,75 --> 00:01:04,83 a moment of silence in remembrance of John. 12 00:01:23,55 --> 00:01:26,52 Thank you. And by May I have 13 00:01:27,08 --> 00:01:32,69 a minor thing to add to that OK. I got from my town clerk. 14 00:01:34,35 --> 00:01:40,42 And she communicates that. That John's I believe brother Frank Moore. 15 00:01:41,47 --> 00:01:42,67 Has indicated that there will be 16 00:01:42,68 --> 00:01:47,70 a memorial service on Saturday March twenty sixth at four pm at the Acton 17 00:01:47,71 --> 00:01:52,13 Congregational Church following the memorial service all will be invited to 18 00:01:52,14 --> 00:01:56,31 a time fellowship at the Town Hall in an effort to assist the family we have 19 00:01:56,32 --> 00:02:00,55 offered to organize all of the food for the evening could you please pass this 20 00:02:00,56 --> 00:02:04,02 information on to your committee and ask that if anyone is interested in bring 21 00:02:04,03 --> 00:02:09,04 a food item to please contact me directly and that's from Jennifer rue the Acton 22 00:02:09,05 --> 00:02:15,96 town hall so there will be. There will be activities to moralize John which 23 00:02:15,97 --> 00:02:22,14 is where I think Frank is John's son son. I guess I just need you but. 24 00:02:24,72 --> 00:02:30,21 You said March twenty six and I was twenty six you know your mind. Yes 25 00:02:31,51 --> 00:02:37,39 Terry and you know sure sound. And if any of you want to contribute to the food for 26 00:02:37,40 --> 00:02:39,69 that if you let me know all contact going for 27 00:02:39,70 --> 00:02:46,69 a full committee I was glad to help with that. And before we go 28 00:02:46,70 --> 00:02:53,36 any further we have. A new member on the war and finance committee can't have 29 00:02:53,37 --> 00:03:00,33 fine he's new to only people who haven't seen him here before. He has served 30 00:03:00,42 --> 00:03:05,70 previously on the army Finance Committee and. We welcome him tonight. 31 00:03:09,41 --> 00:03:16,12 You know I think our order of business tonight is to just take over. And now you 32 00:03:16,13 --> 00:03:23,00 didn't. Get. I 33 00:03:23,01 --> 00:03:28,58 think I order of business tonight is just to go down through the various. Parts of 34 00:03:28,59 --> 00:03:35,47 the budget I think there are been very little changes if any sense the last time 35 00:03:35,48 --> 00:03:42,31 that we match. So I think what the committee would be looking for tonight would 36 00:03:42,32 --> 00:03:47,53 be any input that though I want to finance committee members might have on any 37 00:03:47,54 --> 00:03:52,21 parts of the budget any suggestions that you might have that might differ from what 38 00:03:52,22 --> 00:03:58,24 we've already proposed to you and in the revised budget that you have from 39 00:03:58,88 --> 00:04:04,62 and I know the only other thing that we need to revisit would be the library 40 00:04:04,63 --> 00:04:08,12 position and then we'll get there we'll. Talk about that. 41 00:04:13,37 --> 00:04:19,57 So if you want to just take care of my truck you want to take my kids and take 42 00:04:19,58 --> 00:04:26,45 a look at them. Does anyone have any questions or suggestions on the 43 00:04:26,46 --> 00:04:31,44 guidance from one thousand. And twenty. 44 00:04:33,88 --> 00:04:39,63 As you'll hear I'd like to see the difference the budget the working budget itself 45 00:04:39,70 --> 00:04:46,58 is going down. This year from last year. Is that correct and 46 00:04:46,60 --> 00:04:51,24 what is the number that it's cool though. I think it's going down because we have 47 00:04:51,25 --> 00:04:57,64 a new person this year our guidance Christian left us last year and we got somebody 48 00:04:57,65 --> 00:05:02,53 that's lower on the scale is that correct. Yet and doesn't take our insurance 49 00:05:02,54 --> 00:05:03,81 a bit of difference that's 50 00:05:03,82 --> 00:05:09,42 a different approach here and the the other of the roof is going to be 51 00:05:09,46 --> 00:05:14,58 a shopper or an article outside of the working budget authority that the people can 52 00:05:14,59 --> 00:05:19,58 vote up or that. It has no one you know it's like through this thing without. 53 00:05:23,72 --> 00:05:27,58 Any other question so I suggest going to the guidance section. 54 00:05:35,03 --> 00:05:39,60 Right then let's move on to the next section with kids the nurses' sex than. 55 00:05:51,68 --> 00:05:57,65 Any suggestions from the Committee on the nurses thank you for life again. 56 00:06:01,02 --> 00:06:07,69 The increase in the nurses section on my. Just mention is and he is taking 57 00:06:07,70 --> 00:06:12,69 a couple of classes. Or is that one class. 58 00:06:17,42 --> 00:06:18,13 That amount would be 59 00:06:19,00 --> 00:06:25,96 a way. To move through the room with him. And 60 00:06:25,97 --> 00:06:31,22 the other increase in this particular section come buy the supplies which. 61 00:06:34,94 --> 00:06:38,55 We're not considerably this year due to the fact that for the last two years we've 62 00:06:38,56 --> 00:06:43,69 been really scrambling and and using up everything that with possibly had and in 63 00:06:43,70 --> 00:06:49,94 the supplies were extremely low so he really needed to replenish their supply so 64 00:06:49,95 --> 00:06:54,46 that within. That was the other end place there. 65 00:06:57,96 --> 00:07:02,71 Any place else jackets for your benefit where you see. And 66 00:07:02,72 --> 00:07:07,82 a group insurance you'll see that that's an estimated amount that we put in because 67 00:07:07,83 --> 00:07:11,59 we don't have an actual figure you get from Blue Cross Blue Shield for me and them 68 00:07:12,01 --> 00:07:18,40 so we put in an estimated increase in that to be sure that we're covered so that 69 00:07:18,77 --> 00:07:25,34 the pope insurance for all the personnel. That pretty much accounts 70 00:07:25,35 --> 00:07:31,99 for the increase and that the first set. Any questions or 71 00:07:32,80 --> 00:07:39,43 suggestions for us. A lot of this we've gone through the last meeting the real 72 00:07:39,43 --> 00:07:44,73 problem of going through everything and. The boats are going from terrible to you 73 00:07:44,74 --> 00:07:50,73 and back and forth. That's not to say that we don't have some things to say about 74 00:07:50,74 --> 00:07:54,94 some other pages so yes you know it's so good to hear I think they like the pages 75 00:07:54,95 --> 00:08:00,29 they need I go yeah I was I'm just trying to be considerate to tell you. You know I 76 00:08:00,30 --> 00:08:05,57 read it over and OK All right. I'm going to pay if you'd like to go through that. 77 00:08:08,03 --> 00:08:14,39 You have some page if you'd like to know. I guess we should jump to well actually 78 00:08:14,40 --> 00:08:19,47 the thing that we we knew we had to talk about with library. Page five. 79 00:08:22,26 --> 00:08:28,28 OK. I discussion last time I don't live very right. 80 00:08:30,21 --> 00:08:33,75 Trisha talked about possibly increasing their life reading to three days 81 00:08:33,76 --> 00:08:39,43 a week. And we will weigh. The cost of that against. 82 00:08:41,67 --> 00:08:48,44 Reducing the. Tax Cut to two days and up in her to three which would have been 83 00:08:48,45 --> 00:08:54,16 a fairly substantial increase in the bike it. Jon more in fact it made the 84 00:08:54,17 --> 00:08:57,73 suggestion that if we were going to increase it to two days maybe we should look at 85 00:08:57,74 --> 00:09:04,21 a place in that five days. Because that the cost between three and five days the 86 00:09:04,22 --> 00:09:10,89 differential was fairly small. Carlene Senator I think everybody got those 87 00:09:11,40 --> 00:09:17,62 biggest of the three different Thank you. I came in yesterday and sat down and 88 00:09:17,63 --> 00:09:23,73 talked with Chris to get some more input from her regarding this because as it 89 00:09:23,74 --> 00:09:30,14 requested where we come from her anyway. And. Correct me if I'm 90 00:09:30,67 --> 00:09:36,48 mistaken but from our conversation yesterday her suggested to me that we that we 91 00:09:36,58 --> 00:09:42,45 leave this the way it is this year make some other internal changes that will not 92 00:09:42,80 --> 00:09:47,29 affect the budget but that maybe it will improve the efficiency of the working of 93 00:09:47,30 --> 00:09:52,53 the library with the people that we have and revisit this next year to see what we 94 00:09:52,54 --> 00:09:57,61 want to do about increasing it to you what was I right on that or did you want to 95 00:09:57,62 --> 00:10:02,03 say anything else you know I think I think you said it well I just you know say 96 00:10:02,04 --> 00:10:08,80 that. The changes that we've gone through over the last three years resulted in 97 00:10:09,05 --> 00:10:10,96 a vision and 98 00:10:10,97 --> 00:10:15,37 a process that we're no longer aligned and that this really came down to we need to 99 00:10:15,38 --> 00:10:17,20 talk vision wise where we had 100 00:10:17,21 --> 00:10:23,52 a for our current students and in the future the next five years what are we 101 00:10:23,53 --> 00:10:29,56 looking at and once that's clarified then I think how best to proceed with. 102 00:10:30,65 --> 00:10:36,37 The library and other places we have cut and reduced and then could be made 103 00:10:36,38 --> 00:10:42,22 decisions based on you know what we feel is best for the school. So I think. 104 00:10:43,71 --> 00:10:45,37 To prevent that from happening again kind of 105 00:10:45,38 --> 00:10:52,30 a patchwork or or piecemeal decision. That we really need to look 106 00:10:52,31 --> 00:10:53,07 at it as as 107 00:10:53,08 --> 00:10:58,50 a school district as where we had it and have that vision be defined and have the 108 00:10:58,51 --> 00:11:04,12 budget and other decisions then be tested against that vision when we make those 109 00:11:04,13 --> 00:11:08,59 decisions to meet them having a long range plan as opposed to like I said 110 00:11:08,60 --> 00:11:13,22 a patchwork every year trying to make do with something less than what we want to 111 00:11:14,04 --> 00:11:18,87 so I think really it's just too much to do at this time to do it well and I really 112 00:11:18,88 --> 00:11:25,65 want to do it well. So basically I'm hearing the the proposal would be to 113 00:11:25,69 --> 00:11:31,43 retain what the patchwork arrangement that is happening as we speak carry it 114 00:11:31,44 --> 00:11:37,72 forward because anything else is pretty much financially untenable I would say 115 00:11:38,73 --> 00:11:39,09 it's 116 00:11:39,10 --> 00:11:45,69 a tough time and again I think it's really important. That we before we get to budget 117 00:11:45,69 --> 00:11:47,46 season next year we have 118 00:11:47,46 --> 00:11:51,68 a clear vision of where we're headed and then those budget decisions should match 119 00:11:51,68 --> 00:11:55,61 that vision as best as possible but right now I don't feel we're in 120 00:11:55,63 --> 00:11:57,35 a position to do that as 121 00:11:57,36 --> 00:12:04,34 a group. Under these current budget conditions right now you know I tend to 122 00:12:04,35 --> 00:12:06,56 agree with that and we haven't discussed it as 123 00:12:06,57 --> 00:12:11,55 a group. But I think that's certainly the conclusion I came to looking at these 124 00:12:11,56 --> 00:12:15,52 numbers that you know it keeping in mind that in each case each of these three 125 00:12:15,53 --> 00:12:22,24 scenarios we're talking forty hours and I don't think we have any huge assurances 126 00:12:22,25 --> 00:12:26,52 of what difference in quality each of these arrangements would give each of those 127 00:12:26,53 --> 00:12:31,57 for you know those forty hour segments but certainly the the difference in the IN 128 00:12:31,58 --> 00:12:36,52 THE MONEY is rather gripping just for the record we've got. Currently we're got 129 00:12:36,53 --> 00:12:41,58 thirty seven thousand four hundred thirteen dollars for today library and three Day 130 00:12:41,59 --> 00:12:47,36 attack. Sixty two thousand. Seven hundred two dollars for 131 00:12:48,65 --> 00:12:52,09 three day librarian today attack and then 132 00:12:52,10 --> 00:12:59,09 a five day librarian know it would be. Seventy five thousand five 133 00:12:59,10 --> 00:13:05,11 hundred thirty six dollars so. Clearly you know we're talking you know forty 134 00:13:05,12 --> 00:13:09,58 thousand dollars on the bottom line at the end of the budget and that's somewhat 135 00:13:09,59 --> 00:13:13,86 compelling in my mind and I think it also speaks to 136 00:13:13,91 --> 00:13:18,13 a larger issue that we've been dealing with for several years now is here's what we 137 00:13:18,14 --> 00:13:22,53 wanted and we believe what was best and then the budget cut and we sort of how do 138 00:13:22,54 --> 00:13:27,35 we make do it was it here's here's what is best in the budget get caught and we 139 00:13:27,36 --> 00:13:31,79 said how do we make do well now we've got lots of patches on making do it right and 140 00:13:31,80 --> 00:13:37,31 so we no longer have defined what is really in the best interest of our students 141 00:13:37,32 --> 00:13:42,49 who are now defined what's making do so I really felt like you know it was 142 00:13:42,50 --> 00:13:46,75 a bit naive on my part and I and I told Judy about Nytol bump that are you know you 143 00:13:46,76 --> 00:13:51,28 know part of my learning curve is timing things out so I really believe that we 144 00:13:51,29 --> 00:13:55,59 need to take a step back do a good plan and then after that vision 145 00:13:55,60 --> 00:13:59,77 a plan is in place then the budget shouldn't be measured against it and if we say 146 00:13:59,78 --> 00:14:03,15 OK that's what we really believe and we can't afford something we then have to have 147 00:14:03,16 --> 00:14:08,67 a discussion of priorities but I think right now we have done so much cutting in so 148 00:14:08,68 --> 00:14:12,49 much patchwork for so long that we don't even have that question any longer it's 149 00:14:12,50 --> 00:14:17,12 covered up so I really feel that that's much more valuable to our students to to 150 00:14:17,13 --> 00:14:21,46 have that clear view certainly I think it will be more valuable when this is 151 00:14:21,47 --> 00:14:28,46 discussed next year to have some type of. Qualitative assessment 152 00:14:28,51 --> 00:14:33,80 of what these three choices which will probably be substantially similar. Represent 153 00:14:34,08 --> 00:14:36,56 you know right now least for 154 00:14:36,57 --> 00:14:41,03 a minute for myself I'm just looking at those numbers and on well no big decision 155 00:14:41,04 --> 00:14:46,72 here right but if there was something that said oh well with cost more but this is 156 00:14:46,73 --> 00:14:50,16 what this is what you get and there are other places I mean there's and what is 157 00:14:50,17 --> 00:14:53,95 there was that we got to kids right you know if we get to the computer lab we've 158 00:14:53,96 --> 00:14:58,47 done it over and over again throughout the school and I just think that needs to be 159 00:14:58,48 --> 00:15:03,57 an honest and healthy discussion first about what's educationally valued and then 160 00:15:03,58 --> 00:15:09,12 second how do we fund it so I really don't want to mire the waters with having them 161 00:15:09,13 --> 00:15:16,06 try to be the same conversation during budget season so I really like. It that way 162 00:15:16,07 --> 00:15:19,93 I think the other thing that one of the other things that we cannot be about is 163 00:15:19,98 --> 00:15:24,06 also the fact that we have to look at everything that we've taken away from that 164 00:15:24,18 --> 00:15:28,34 program and we have to look at literacy specialist we have to look at the computer 165 00:15:28,34 --> 00:15:33,27 . Technician and the computer teaching the computer lab we've taken away foreign 166 00:15:33,28 --> 00:15:37,63 languages and all the things that we have and the library services everything 167 00:15:37,64 --> 00:15:43,75 that's been reduced we need to try to figure out how we can start to work some of 168 00:15:43,76 --> 00:15:47,86 these things back into the program and I think that's what you're talking about is 169 00:15:47,87 --> 00:15:48,47 coming up with 170 00:15:48,48 --> 00:15:54,01 a plea and that will give us some focus and give us some priorities so that we can 171 00:15:54,02 --> 00:15:58,51 start working on restoring some of the services to the kids that we think to take 172 00:15:58,52 --> 00:16:05,22 away. Break I mean if you look at the school budget. In comparison with say you 173 00:16:05,23 --> 00:16:08,27 know the economy you know the quantity of main the economy of the U.S. 174 00:16:09,68 --> 00:16:13,11 I don't think anybody's going to doubt that in the last few years we've got had 175 00:16:13,12 --> 00:16:18,91 a contraction of the whole economy and anything that isn't in lockstep with that is 176 00:16:18,92 --> 00:16:24,35 going to be suffering but on the other hand when it we expands it would be 177 00:16:24,36 --> 00:16:28,03 reasonable to try to restore some of the stuff because it is does have value for 178 00:16:28,04 --> 00:16:34,65 the kids. Not this year though I mean if you know I don't. Think you believe 179 00:16:35,39 --> 00:16:42,10 anybody else have any input on the library situation we're on agreement on you and 180 00:16:42,36 --> 00:16:46,99 I spoke with them both and both Richard and Betty mentioned their library position 181 00:16:47,00 --> 00:16:52,55 when they called me tonight and they're also in agreement with one even as it is 182 00:16:52,56 --> 00:16:59,50 that. I think your explanation is excellent for SNOW Well you just 183 00:16:59,75 --> 00:17:05,33 painted the picture that we can come back and visit this is my only concern was for 184 00:17:05,37 --> 00:17:07,83 you he said that. I think 185 00:17:07,84 --> 00:17:13,44 a huge loss value was was the foreign language that the didn't didn't have 186 00:17:13,45 --> 00:17:18,54 a chance to get to go before the people here and you know something like this I 187 00:17:18,55 --> 00:17:22,70 think it's I think it's very important as everybody everybody does but there are 188 00:17:22,80 --> 00:17:26,63 explanations you know moving forward that form 189 00:17:26,64 --> 00:17:30,08 a player and you know what I mean to see where it stands what we can bring for in 190 00:17:30,09 --> 00:17:35,71 the future I agree with the school committee and I commend them for. Making the 191 00:17:35,72 --> 00:17:40,01 courage of Scott something that I think is great value and something that 192 00:17:40,02 --> 00:17:44,81 definitely has to be looked at again in the future you know. For language like and 193 00:17:44,89 --> 00:17:48,90 I remember Mary when you were fifteen years ago when I couldn't before there was 194 00:17:48,91 --> 00:17:53,47 a foreign language that was your driving we never remember that you're in 195 00:17:53,48 --> 00:17:58,24 a school committee it's all that someday after we have four letters or I mean 196 00:17:58,25 --> 00:18:02,82 everybody's value of education is different and that is huge for 197 00:18:02,83 --> 00:18:08,62 a language especially in today's game in today's world it's massive and to try to 198 00:18:08,63 --> 00:18:13,56 get everybody to understand go look at it differently. I mean that was just 199 00:18:13,57 --> 00:18:15,04 a huge loss and it's just 200 00:18:15,05 --> 00:18:18,64 a shame that it didn't go before the people you know I mean that wasn't part of the 201 00:18:18,65 --> 00:18:23,20 budget and not you know I understand that these times are very tough and that was 202 00:18:23,21 --> 00:18:27,55 kind of what I was worried about with this here I know that there's more value you 203 00:18:27,56 --> 00:18:30,75 know what I mean as far as where you're trying to go with this but with your 204 00:18:30,76 --> 00:18:35,03 explanation I agree with what the school committee and everything is you know maybe 205 00:18:35,04 --> 00:18:40,75 there has to be more time and I think it's also important you know I'm trusted with 206 00:18:40,75 --> 00:18:47,22 . Ensuring that. What the school community and the school 207 00:18:47,23 --> 00:18:50,63 department wants I'm interested with the daily running making sure it's happening 208 00:18:51,10 --> 00:18:55,26 but it should not be me making the vision it has to be 209 00:18:55,44 --> 00:18:59,72 a collective agreement of what the vision is and then I will ensure that really 210 00:18:59,73 --> 00:19:01,50 caring here every day you have 211 00:19:01,51 --> 00:19:03,92 a good just by listening to the last meeting that you have 212 00:19:03,93 --> 00:19:08,26 a feeling none of us do you know what I mean and although you want to explain to 213 00:19:08,27 --> 00:19:08,43 have 214 00:19:08,44 --> 00:19:13,20 a look on board you know I can tell that you're passionate about that and you believe 215 00:19:13,21 --> 00:19:19,62 and that it's the right thing for you but I mean this board here has had to the 216 00:19:19,63 --> 00:19:24,29 things that they've had to deal with the school committee is it's unbelievable 217 00:19:24,36 --> 00:19:30,09 between the consolidation and just the cuts and just the whole atmosphere you know 218 00:19:30,16 --> 00:19:36,41 this but eventually it was for it's just amazing and you know I I credit this for 219 00:19:36,42 --> 00:19:42,64 the end of the last few years you know. Your explanation was I was actually doing. 220 00:19:47,03 --> 00:19:47,38 Now you have 221 00:19:47,39 --> 00:19:53,25 a discussion on the library. We all sat on that now the thinking is that we have 222 00:19:53,26 --> 00:19:59,71 been here for three days is that you are related to James and you just changed it 223 00:19:59,95 --> 00:20:06,45 OK. So well mine what will the bottom line figure be there for the 224 00:20:06,46 --> 00:20:12,76 library. And. I'm not. Going to. 225 00:20:13,84 --> 00:20:19,18 Hear you seven hundred thirteen. Thousand six hundred dollars 226 00:20:20,96 --> 00:20:27,82 but with that doctrine the. Reduction of forty four thousand one of the phrases in 227 00:20:27,83 --> 00:20:34,06 the book. What was the difference. On the library. 228 00:20:44,11 --> 00:20:50,30 And you'll see that this of course I. Can put it in. With 229 00:20:50,80 --> 00:20:56,01 a lot of nothing but I don't think you can see that you know. You've got mail. 230 00:20:59,10 --> 00:21:06,09 Oh OK Well that's. OK with there are other areas that you wanted 231 00:21:06,10 --> 00:21:06,45 to take 232 00:21:06,46 --> 00:21:13,56 a look at. And. I guess I'm looking for some understanding 233 00:21:13,56 --> 00:21:19,27 . First of all the reason we're even having this discussion at this particular 234 00:21:19,28 --> 00:21:25,69 point is because I became aware since our last meeting at least I was told and you 235 00:21:25,70 --> 00:21:32,09 can tell me if I'm correct or not here that believe the teachers contract is coming 236 00:21:32,10 --> 00:21:37,62 up for renewal it's it's ending with this budget year and it is coming up for 237 00:21:37,63 --> 00:21:42,28 renewal before the budget where that we're discussing. So that in other words that 238 00:21:42,29 --> 00:21:45,32 the budget we're talking about here for two thousand and eleven two thousand and 239 00:21:45,33 --> 00:21:47,57 twelve is going to be working on 240 00:21:47,58 --> 00:21:52,97 a budget that is yet to be devised is what it is that will stay home all three 241 00:21:53,45 --> 00:21:59,67 practice of the educate right so we're soon to our our earlier discussion about 242 00:21:59,68 --> 00:22:03,57 things we can do and things we couldn't do in trying to do the things we can do 243 00:22:03,58 --> 00:22:10,44 when we can do them if that makes any sense at all. I would 244 00:22:10,58 --> 00:22:16,50 like to have an understanding generally of number one. I guess the difference 245 00:22:16,51 --> 00:22:20,73 between your hopes for going into 246 00:22:20,74 --> 00:22:27,09 a budget discussion versus your expectations of going to that budget discussion I 247 00:22:27,10 --> 00:22:33,59 understand that. On our side of the of this discussion you know we have 248 00:22:34,45 --> 00:22:40,72 a. Set of committee members who are not you know dyed in the wool negotiators every 249 00:22:40,73 --> 00:22:45,70 day doing all this contract stuff on the other side we have union representatives 250 00:22:45,71 --> 00:22:51,10 we have the rank and file of the of the union membership and we have probably 251 00:22:51,11 --> 00:22:57,29 a lawyer or two. And you know the whole David and Goliath thing so. 252 00:23:01,12 --> 00:23:06,70 What I what I think frustrated what I'm frustrated with trying to answer is that 253 00:23:07,48 --> 00:23:11,87 and I assume that I've been fairly fairly accurate so far what I'm trying to get 254 00:23:11,88 --> 00:23:16,74 a handle on the lawyer thing is we don't like to incur any expense got one not for 255 00:23:16,75 --> 00:23:20,49 you guys but on the other. They will never you know they don't need 256 00:23:20,50 --> 00:23:25,67 a very good we've had it but you have advice yeah it may be I can speak since I'm 257 00:23:25,68 --> 00:23:29,71 not in negotiations this year but I have in years past been on the negotiating team 258 00:23:29,72 --> 00:23:32,76 for the right for the. You have 259 00:23:32,80 --> 00:23:38,14 a boatload of resources behind you on both sides if you need to access them the 260 00:23:38,15 --> 00:23:41,44 intent is to go in and negotiate 261 00:23:41,59 --> 00:23:47,87 a fair and reasonable contract for all people to work with if it is truly fair and 262 00:23:47,88 --> 00:23:54,87 reasonable it is not perfectly immutable to either side it's all right and 263 00:23:54,88 --> 00:24:00,80 OK so there is some some of this concession so let's say for instance right now if 264 00:24:00,81 --> 00:24:04,49 they're going in as teachers that thinking OK we took 265 00:24:04,50 --> 00:24:06,31 a furlough day last year we took 266 00:24:06,32 --> 00:24:11,74 a pay freeze last year they are going in hoping to improve their salary to some 267 00:24:11,75 --> 00:24:17,02 degree hoping to retain benefits to some degree from the school board and their 268 00:24:17,03 --> 00:24:22,59 representatives would be going in and looking at how can we keep good teachers but 269 00:24:22,60 --> 00:24:29,45 save some money. You know where can we give but you know where we're really hoping 270 00:24:29,77 --> 00:24:36,76 to say so health benefits huge cost always on the discussion table salary huge cost 271 00:24:36,99 --> 00:24:43,01 and then the other things in the contract sick days personal days professional days 272 00:24:43,01 --> 00:24:48,54 . How many. Benefits that are not 273 00:24:48,55 --> 00:24:53,23 a selling material but you know like Duty Free Lunch things like that those things 274 00:24:53,24 --> 00:24:59,02 are all part of the contract because negotiation so. The school board sends you 275 00:24:59,03 --> 00:25:05,13 have two representatives so you can have majority of the teachers side I think has 276 00:25:05,14 --> 00:25:07,64 three. Again you can't have 277 00:25:07,65 --> 00:25:11,62 a majority so they go in and they are not to speak of it while they're going 278 00:25:11,63 --> 00:25:13,18 through the process there's a there's a kind of 279 00:25:13,19 --> 00:25:17,07 a hush and they say well you may have to go back and ask your sides whether they 280 00:25:17,08 --> 00:25:22,76 would agree to and that happens from time to time. And then it's up to those people 281 00:25:22,77 --> 00:25:29,50 that you've been trusted that small group to then say OK well you want that if we 282 00:25:29,51 --> 00:25:34,16 give you that then you know it's going to cost us over here can we and that's how 283 00:25:34,17 --> 00:25:38,90 it works so the outside you know I'm certainly is somebody who's affected by 284 00:25:38,91 --> 00:25:42,31 everything that comes out of this and I have no say in it because of my position 285 00:25:42,63 --> 00:25:43,95 I'm not union and I'm not 286 00:25:44,28 --> 00:25:47,93 a school board and so I have no say but like I said having been through it before 287 00:25:47,94 --> 00:25:52,11 that's how it worked out that you have that given take discussion school board 288 00:25:52,12 --> 00:25:57,49 wants to see you know that they have quality staff members who feel valued but at 289 00:25:57,50 --> 00:26:02,88 the same time they're watching the dollar sign you know the teachers you know also 290 00:26:02,89 --> 00:26:06,73 they want to feel valued one of the ways in which we in our society show some of 291 00:26:06,74 --> 00:26:11,91 these value is monitoring. You know there are some things that aren't monetary that 292 00:26:11,95 --> 00:26:16,95 are expressed in the contract you know the professional days the sick bank any of 293 00:26:16,96 --> 00:26:19,60 those kind of things. And it's and it's 294 00:26:19,61 --> 00:26:23,25 a back and forth sometimes one of the sides go in with 295 00:26:23,26 --> 00:26:28,84 a definite set of mind that here is our breaking point you know we hope for this 296 00:26:28,85 --> 00:26:32,39 but you know here's we're going to draw the line and those of us outside of that 297 00:26:32,40 --> 00:26:37,83 negotiations may not know what that Linus and we won't know until afterwards till 298 00:26:37,84 --> 00:26:41,21 they're done what the final you know what they could live with what they can walk 299 00:26:41,22 --> 00:26:43,91 away and so it's kind of 300 00:26:43,92 --> 00:26:49,79 a frustrating thing to be on the outside. But you can't have forty five people all 301 00:26:49,80 --> 00:26:55,29 discussing the contract you'd never get done and never get through it so you know 302 00:26:55,30 --> 00:27:01,61 and in both sides compare themselves or the contract to viable. 303 00:27:03,01 --> 00:27:08,03 School districts in the area so want to stand for teachers getting paid when well 304 00:27:08,04 --> 00:27:11,18 teachers getting for benefits those kind of discussions if 305 00:27:11,19 --> 00:27:15,41 a teacher wasn't working here we're else would they work so you're not going to 306 00:27:15,42 --> 00:27:20,04 compare teacher's salary here to somebody up in Bangalore it's just no sense 307 00:27:20,05 --> 00:27:20,25 they're in 308 00:27:20,26 --> 00:27:24,46 a whole different realm so you're going to look at this area what are the going 309 00:27:24,47 --> 00:27:29,36 rates what are the benefits what are people paying for. Twenty year service what 310 00:27:29,37 --> 00:27:33,96 are people paying for full family you know who gets dental who's going to school 311 00:27:33,97 --> 00:27:38,54 district doesn't and some things in there and I notice this it's very kind of 312 00:27:38,55 --> 00:27:44,72 peculiar There are partial steps or longer steps in somebodies district so well 313 00:27:44,73 --> 00:27:48,80 they've got twenty five steps Yeah but they're steps of smaller along the way you 314 00:27:48,81 --> 00:27:49,87 know somebody else has 315 00:27:49,88 --> 00:27:54,72 a long jeopardy clause built in you know ten years in the district they get this 316 00:27:54,82 --> 00:28:00,21 bonus amount somebody else doesn't but they pay more for the master's So you do the 317 00:28:00,22 --> 00:28:05,18 best you can compare and keep yourself compatible you know competitive you don't 318 00:28:05,20 --> 00:28:08,60 want to be at the bottom you don't want to be at the top but you've got to stay 319 00:28:08,61 --> 00:28:11,36 competitive and so it's a it's 320 00:28:11,37 --> 00:28:18,34 a challenge are there certain inherited. Premises as 321 00:28:18,35 --> 00:28:22,08 you move forward on that negotiation or books like for instance are saying you know 322 00:28:22,09 --> 00:28:22,39 are you 323 00:28:22,56 --> 00:28:26,52 a step structure or you know what have you whatever you've been doing in the past 324 00:28:26,53 --> 00:28:32,46 you probably want to have as your starting point continuing that structure as 325 00:28:32,47 --> 00:28:36,12 opposed to changing it every three years or every two years it kind of would make 326 00:28:36,13 --> 00:28:40,39 sense for continuity so rational there you sort of inherit 327 00:28:41,09 --> 00:28:43,88 a set of constraints that. Have 328 00:28:43,89 --> 00:28:47,58 a certain inertia about them yes that will move forward and unless there's 329 00:28:47,59 --> 00:28:50,100 a really good reason to do something different we're probably going to do this 330 00:28:51,01 --> 00:28:53,84 we're probably going to do that because we did that in the past and other school 331 00:28:53,85 --> 00:28:56,62 districts around us are also doing it that that's 332 00:28:56,63 --> 00:29:01,94 a norm of the business yes those things do happen and every once in awhile you have 333 00:29:01,95 --> 00:29:07,16 a surprise that somebody did think about sidewalks and I'll give you one example 334 00:29:07,17 --> 00:29:10,65 that I know of probably this probably more but I know several years ago on 335 00:29:10,66 --> 00:29:13,12 a Brian's suggestion there was 336 00:29:13,13 --> 00:29:18,18 a short term and long term disability piece at it in it seems at first like there's 337 00:29:18,19 --> 00:29:22,61 initial cost but in the long run they he calculated for the district it's actually 338 00:29:22,62 --> 00:29:29,30 a savings now the teachers gave up some. Ninety days for him would have leave 339 00:29:29,61 --> 00:29:32,50 like under my contract when I was teaching I could collect up to one hundred eighty 340 00:29:33,95 --> 00:29:35,22 but I mean if I got sick for 341 00:29:35,23 --> 00:29:39,98 a long term that came out of that hundred eighty now there's the short term long 342 00:29:39,98 --> 00:29:44,32 term disability which the school only pays a fraction of if you're out for 343 00:29:44,34 --> 00:29:48,89 a long period of time but also means teachers can't collect that be on that ninety 344 00:29:49,33 --> 00:29:53,31 amount of their own so it's not like 345 00:29:53,32 --> 00:29:57,83 a perfect formula that you can pick compare directly one contract to another but 346 00:29:57,100 --> 00:30:01,40 that was a shift that was a paradigm it was 347 00:30:01,42 --> 00:30:05,97 a totally different way of looking at where our costs going well the teacher has 348 00:30:05,97 --> 00:30:10,99 a long term disability it is costing the district for the substitute as well as for 349 00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:17,24 the teachers full pay while they're out that disability piece forty percent sixty 350 00:30:17,25 --> 00:30:22,64 percent of the school that's one thing I've seen time they can take so that you 351 00:30:22,65 --> 00:30:28,83 know sixty percent of their salary which That's sixty percent that they're selling 352 00:30:28,84 --> 00:30:35,78 real. And that money that they're subsidy and then some so that we are saving money 353 00:30:35,85 --> 00:30:42,60 and we use that. Like first time. So 354 00:30:42,61 --> 00:30:48,72 those would be one of those unusual changes but the step system until we get more 355 00:30:48,73 --> 00:30:54,35 radical with. Their merit pay or you know even evaluation kind of some other way of 356 00:30:54,36 --> 00:31:00,35 measuring teacher success that's that's been the norm OK Well that leads right into 357 00:31:01,37 --> 00:31:07,85 my my two suggestions for this process first of all you know just doing the math 358 00:31:08,52 --> 00:31:12,97 you know OK so we have probably it's probably reasonable to say that on an annual 359 00:31:12,99 --> 00:31:18,11 basis with any of these contracts and I've seen that sometimes it's 360 00:31:18,12 --> 00:31:18,95 a little less sometimes 361 00:31:18,96 --> 00:31:22,15 a lot more and sometimes it's hard to tell because of teachers shifting around but 362 00:31:22,95 --> 00:31:28,42 roughly I think you could say that three percent increase per year across the board 363 00:31:29,62 --> 00:31:35,70 that's kind of what I'm seeing at least. I guess I will have to say that I don't 364 00:31:35,71 --> 00:31:40,90 fully understand the why we have the set the step system why we have 365 00:31:40,91 --> 00:31:47,81 a strictly time based mechanism which will sure is the clock ticks away is going 366 00:31:47,82 --> 00:31:53,21 to increase our budget every year you know to regardless of the in the the economy 367 00:31:53,22 --> 00:31:59,87 regardless of extraneous events here goes you nothing you know here goes if you've 368 00:31:59,88 --> 00:32:04,49 nothing you can do about it just keeps doing this so you know ten years you've got 369 00:32:04,73 --> 00:32:10,24 you know one third increase in your budget just because it doesn't matter if it's 370 00:32:10,38 --> 00:32:15,96 a down economics time it just keeps happening so certainly what I'd like to see and 371 00:32:15,97 --> 00:32:22,87 I this is one of my hopes versus expectations. I'd love to see an arrangement 372 00:32:22,88 --> 00:32:27,64 or thought given to the contracts as they come up to migrate over to 373 00:32:28,15 --> 00:32:34,36 a marriage system you know where you're not. And. I'll say this 374 00:32:35,08 --> 00:32:36,58 after having said that I have 375 00:32:36,59 --> 00:32:42,45 a lot of respect for the personnel to school. I haven't met anybody that I feel is 376 00:32:42,46 --> 00:32:42,65 doing 377 00:32:42,66 --> 00:32:49,77 a bad job. And you know education is important. But having 378 00:32:49,77 --> 00:32:56,59 . A pay system which gives you raids like clockwork and everybody is treated the 379 00:32:56,60 --> 00:33:03,27 same you're promoting mediocrity you know there's no reason to go over and above 380 00:33:03,54 --> 00:33:04,30 unless you have 381 00:33:04,31 --> 00:33:08,86 a personal satisfaction in doing so there's no monetary reason for doing so that's 382 00:33:08,87 --> 00:33:15,44 where valuations come in and should be done in the area evaluated and scripted and 383 00:33:15,45 --> 00:33:21,25 so we now have this method of doing that in evaluating teachers and then the yes 384 00:33:21,26 --> 00:33:25,56 and that's very recent very airy but being able to take say 385 00:33:25,61 --> 00:33:30,22 a smaller budget for raises you know a third to 386 00:33:30,23 --> 00:33:37,13 a half of what we're doing now and pinpoint target those to the teachers that 387 00:33:38,10 --> 00:33:38,44 can take 388 00:33:38,45 --> 00:33:43,29 a test well I guess if you're evaluating them or somehow you know that the ones 389 00:33:43,30 --> 00:33:49,14 that are excelling should be rewarded Absolutely I think it would not only save 390 00:33:49,14 --> 00:33:53,70 money in the long run but it would also I think allow the cream to rise to the top 391 00:33:54,46 --> 00:34:00,64 as in terms of talent in terms of incentive to to to go over and above and doing an 392 00:34:00,64 --> 00:34:06,58 excellent job. It's only recently and they said that what was the president's Race 393 00:34:06,59 --> 00:34:13,47 to the top correct that was meritorious wasn't the race to the top and we 394 00:34:13,48 --> 00:34:18,00 were supposed to in the state of Maine get some legislation and and it didn't 395 00:34:18,01 --> 00:34:24,31 happen didn't pass but it had to do with that race the top money which would pay 396 00:34:24,32 --> 00:34:29,30 teachers according to merit I believe well yeah occasion in gets from the state to 397 00:34:29,31 --> 00:34:30,12 state and in 398 00:34:30,13 --> 00:34:34,82 a timely manner I believe that's what happened with him in the race the top is also 399 00:34:35,61 --> 00:34:36,91 we do agree about tied to 400 00:34:36,92 --> 00:34:43,35 a lot of punitive things as well as opposed to incentive to do well it's also done 401 00:34:43,78 --> 00:34:45,56 if you have been making the a Y.P. 402 00:34:46,16 --> 00:34:51,43 For three years in a row you got on the hit list and you had to do it with 403 00:34:51,44 --> 00:34:55,50 a punitive way of earning the money that's where you hear about the whole schools 404 00:34:55,51 --> 00:34:59,10 being fired and you know the principal's been there more than two years the 405 00:34:59,11 --> 00:35:05,79 principal gets fired. And the car town had to agree to the punitive method 406 00:35:06,50 --> 00:35:10,85 for us they couldn't get the money right so anyway so it's Maine it never got to 407 00:35:10,86 --> 00:35:14,26 Maine you know we didn't get that they didn't get they didn't get their application 408 00:35:14,27 --> 00:35:18,31 in later when the president saying that you know there was 409 00:35:18,32 --> 00:35:24,01 a merit based system it kind of I think freaked out every teacher in every school 410 00:35:24,05 --> 00:35:29,50 across the nation because they are used to that right I mean I'm talking it's not 411 00:35:29,51 --> 00:35:34,13 the main It's everywhere I step system is out there right and that's where I'm 412 00:35:34,14 --> 00:35:40,13 approach one is the part of. It will be you know yes he will these teachers to say 413 00:35:40,18 --> 00:35:43,89 we're going to some there Rick. Right and I'm not saying it can't be done but the 414 00:35:43,90 --> 00:35:49,65 other thing is with the evaluation thing why not put you know something in 415 00:35:49,66 --> 00:35:51,76 a contract that says we're going to put aside X. 416 00:35:51,77 --> 00:35:57,50 Amount of dollars and those people who excel you know can we can give them from 417 00:35:57,51 --> 00:36:02,43 that pool or something and in the future we can have something that shows an 418 00:36:02,44 --> 00:36:07,33 excellent teacher or you know gives monetary to an excellent teacher or something 419 00:36:07,34 --> 00:36:10,05 we can look at and it allows us to to fine tune the budget 420 00:36:10,06 --> 00:36:15,96 a little bit more and doesn't just the errant tee that regardless of quote quality 421 00:36:15,97 --> 00:36:20,50 of education you know we're going up three percent next year nothing you can do 422 00:36:20,51 --> 00:36:24,19 about it and you know it that's what's really frustrating to me you know just 423 00:36:24,20 --> 00:36:28,27 looking at the the record of what's happened in the past what inevitably will 424 00:36:28,28 --> 00:36:30,73 happen in the future it's like you know 425 00:36:31,21 --> 00:36:35,18 a budget run amok that nobody can really you know it's 426 00:36:35,19 --> 00:36:38,45 a moving train we can't do anything about it and that's got to be 427 00:36:38,46 --> 00:36:43,20 a fundamentally wrong. Approach but I'm trying to poke at 428 00:36:43,21 --> 00:36:46,31 a little bit and figure out what is wrong about that approach you know how can we 429 00:36:46,68 --> 00:36:51,91 take the these big dollars and direct them more intelligently and still get the job 430 00:36:51,92 --> 00:36:58,68 done I think another thing that that's good that's coming up too is that. A part of 431 00:36:58,69 --> 00:37:03,77 the teacher evaluation process is going to be based on student performance and to 432 00:37:03,78 --> 00:37:09,21 the successes correct it will not only I mean that's when it gets to the place 433 00:37:09,22 --> 00:37:14,60 where that really has a little bit more importance I think it'll make 434 00:37:14,61 --> 00:37:19,14 a lot more sense that it won't be like your kids didn't do well on the national 435 00:37:19,15 --> 00:37:23,37 norm test this year you're taking a pay cut because certainly in 436 00:37:23,38 --> 00:37:27,61 a small district especially if you have to be very careful of what success on one 437 00:37:27,62 --> 00:37:33,52 single class right. Some of the time I will share with you the direction which 438 00:37:33,53 --> 00:37:35,40 teacher evaluations are headed it's 439 00:37:35,41 --> 00:37:42,31 a much more complex and difficult process than it has been in the past. With the 440 00:37:42,32 --> 00:37:46,36 school boards commission I have been I've changed it this year under that new 441 00:37:46,37 --> 00:37:51,85 direction of recognizing excellence and giving clear feedback on where growth can 442 00:37:51,86 --> 00:37:58,06 happen. And it's true it has not been there in the past and the state is moving in 443 00:37:58,07 --> 00:38:02,30 this direction as much as the nation so they've give me that permission to pilot it 444 00:38:02,31 --> 00:38:06,96 this way with the school with the teachers they've all been working under this 445 00:38:07,41 --> 00:38:13,43 program of new evaluation. And that's where it will have to start because the 446 00:38:13,44 --> 00:38:17,75 evaluation is not under contract other than surgery will be 447 00:38:17,76 --> 00:38:22,34 a value by the by the approved policy of the school. And then the language of the 448 00:38:22,35 --> 00:38:27,22 evaluation process will allow for the recognition of excellence but it is 449 00:38:27,23 --> 00:38:33,20 a transition year. And I am thrilled to be doing it it's 450 00:38:33,21 --> 00:38:37,87 a lot of work it's a very big change. So it's 451 00:38:37,88 --> 00:38:44,17 a work right now if we if we don't ever. Very Moment have salary elements tied to 452 00:38:44,18 --> 00:38:47,25 that right now is it more of a pat on the head and 453 00:38:47,26 --> 00:38:53,58 a hearty well done or is there anything other you know like when we find out. Where 454 00:38:53,62 --> 00:38:56,77 you know where things are heading with individual teachers how well they're doing 455 00:38:57,29 --> 00:39:02,12 is it simply you know it's a recognition of that you're up to doing 456 00:39:02,13 --> 00:39:05,60 a great job keep it up or is there something else that might be 457 00:39:05,61 --> 00:39:06,27 a little bit more of 458 00:39:06,28 --> 00:39:10,96 a carrot approach Well we carried approach will have to come afterwards after the 459 00:39:10,97 --> 00:39:16,60 finalize language and in the school board will have final say on that piece as Will 460 00:39:16,61 --> 00:39:19,71 they have we'll have final say on you're familiar with the language from from 461 00:39:19,72 --> 00:39:23,96 testing about meet and exceed some does not mean OK so the school board will also 462 00:39:23,97 --> 00:39:28,87 have final say. You know mom and I will sit down and go over that language and ask 463 00:39:28,88 --> 00:39:33,29 them to approve a policy that says if a teacher has 464 00:39:33,30 --> 00:39:37,06 a does not mean. You know X. Amount of times or an X. 465 00:39:37,07 --> 00:39:39,66 Amount in areas or such and such they'll be put on 466 00:39:39,67 --> 00:39:46,27 a plan to receive support to improve and you know they'll be guidelines as to when 467 00:39:46,28 --> 00:39:49,81 do you stop helping or when do you recognize that 468 00:39:49,82 --> 00:39:55,74 a teacher is up where they need to be so like you said it's much more complex than 469 00:39:55,75 --> 00:40:02,00 just your grade or you're not and you know we can be very careful to articulate all 470 00:40:02,01 --> 00:40:07,17 the different areas in subcategories that come into the teaching profession. If 471 00:40:07,21 --> 00:40:10,07 it's a very diverse thing you were expecting teachers were expecting 472 00:40:10,08 --> 00:40:13,82 a lot of our students so I want to make sure that that language is clear that I can 473 00:40:13,83 --> 00:40:20,10 gladly show you that. The rubric that we're right piloting under but just like 474 00:40:20,11 --> 00:40:23,57 anything else you that you take from somewhere else he try it out and then you've 475 00:40:23,58 --> 00:40:26,65 got to make it your own you've got to make sure it works for Act and we are unique 476 00:40:26,65 --> 00:40:33,38 . You know we are both primary and middle schools. You know schools 477 00:40:33,39 --> 00:40:39,52 are more segregated or separate from groups so we're working towards that but 478 00:40:39,53 --> 00:40:44,49 there's no way that this budget negotiation time period can address all of that 479 00:40:44,53 --> 00:40:47,95 sure. I'm not looking for a you know 480 00:40:47,96 --> 00:40:53,21 a quantum change or I'm looking to figure out you know what the receptivity is and 481 00:40:53,22 --> 00:40:53,59 move in 482 00:40:53,60 --> 00:40:57,42 a direction you know I long to you know if we think long term we know we're in for 483 00:40:57,43 --> 00:41:02,09 the long haul but if we start moving in the right direction you know perhaps more 484 00:41:02,10 --> 00:41:08,92 than we have been it does seem that the fact that this evaluation process is well 485 00:41:08,98 --> 00:41:12,95 events you know that's quite fortunate for this discussion I think I think they'll 486 00:41:12,96 --> 00:41:19,11 tie together quite well that you can hook. That incentive 487 00:41:19,85 --> 00:41:23,85 you know on to this process that's already I guess let me just tell you you know 488 00:41:23,86 --> 00:41:28,75 this this the whole step system if you're teaching your I have 489 00:41:28,76 --> 00:41:33,67 a bachelor's and you got five years of experience and you were an actor and now you 490 00:41:33,68 --> 00:41:40,16 have to move you going to Portland I feel sorry for you but. They you know they got 491 00:41:40,17 --> 00:41:44,26 to figure out where you're going to go and they go oh you're bachelor five years 492 00:41:44,27 --> 00:41:48,97 experience they look on their set and go that's the salary you're getting so the 493 00:41:48,98 --> 00:41:49,91 step serves 494 00:41:49,92 --> 00:41:55,87 a purpose right you know it also prevents In years ago you know with the unions 495 00:41:55,88 --> 00:41:58,75 coming in with people saying wow we've got 496 00:41:58,76 --> 00:42:03,66 a lot of teachers that are veteran teachers and instead of valuing the experience 497 00:42:04,11 --> 00:42:09,68 towns and that it was just shortly before I came here towns. Got rid of the 498 00:42:09,69 --> 00:42:15,77 expensive ones and kids suffered because the turnover was tremendous you know you 499 00:42:15,78 --> 00:42:21,75 don't want. School for all of these three years unless you know and yet there is 500 00:42:21,76 --> 00:42:26,19 yes a cost for experience so the balancing act is always going to be 501 00:42:26,20 --> 00:42:31,07 a challenge I don't care what method you have in the race. And I want veteran high 502 00:42:31,08 --> 00:42:37,49 quality teachers to be valued and like I said in our society monetary rewards are 503 00:42:37,50 --> 00:42:42,86 part of the value system to home to experience compared to other younger children. 504 00:42:44,00 --> 00:42:49,34 But I think for us as I'm sure to this new evaluation system allows us to say to 505 00:42:49,35 --> 00:42:52,06 the community we were putting 506 00:42:52,07 --> 00:42:56,37 a system in place that's holding teachers accountable whatever level they're at 507 00:42:56,38 --> 00:42:59,19 whether their top whether they're on the top of the scale and 508 00:42:59,20 --> 00:43:04,06 a veteran teacher or whether they're down near the bar this evaluative process will 509 00:43:04,07 --> 00:43:09,14 hold teachers accountable for doing what they're supposed to do and for for meeting 510 00:43:09,18 --> 00:43:14,17 the needs of the kids in their classrooms and for being responsible for the 511 00:43:14,18 --> 00:43:19,10 outcomes that they get from their kids and you know it is and I've not been shy 512 00:43:19,11 --> 00:43:20,25 about equality I have learned 513 00:43:20,26 --> 00:43:25,33 a lot in the last two years taking this job over I'm thrilled to be able to work 514 00:43:25,34 --> 00:43:29,43 still here I want an excellent school I want an excellent school filled with 515 00:43:29,47 --> 00:43:34,32 excellent stuff I want to be the gem of your county and that's going to take where 516 00:43:34,33 --> 00:43:40,15 we are which is good and moving us forward right so there's no resting here we have 517 00:43:40,16 --> 00:43:45,30 a staff of tremendous dedication our students are served in many different ways. 518 00:43:46,58 --> 00:43:53,36 And yet there's room for growth and it's my job to do the evaluation well and one 519 00:43:53,37 --> 00:43:56,99 of the first things I said to the the school were last year is I don't have 520 00:43:57,00 --> 00:44:02,10 a tool that's allowing me to do that we need to change the tool because I legally 521 00:44:02,11 --> 00:44:08,15 was bound by the tool. So you know I asked police to help me out here and of course 522 00:44:08,16 --> 00:44:10,84 they said yes they want the best so it's 523 00:44:10,85 --> 00:44:14,56 a process that we are going through and I think even in five years they'll be 524 00:44:14,57 --> 00:44:20,31 drastic changes and improvements in all of education because of this time period we 525 00:44:20,32 --> 00:44:21,36 are going through because 526 00:44:21,37 --> 00:44:25,86 a lot of people are saying hey what about excellence and what are you doing to 527 00:44:25,87 --> 00:44:29,93 recognize it right just like people cry the other way saying well if they get 528 00:44:29,94 --> 00:44:32,95 tenure they don't have to do anything tenure means nothing to me you get 529 00:44:32,96 --> 00:44:38,37 a new job. Ten years not ten years if people stay in their job too long 530 00:44:39,17 --> 00:44:43,19 a big reason is that the administrator has not done 531 00:44:43,20 --> 00:44:46,98 a good job evaluating and giving feedback and showing the teachers where they need 532 00:44:46,99 --> 00:44:49,55 to go. And that's 533 00:44:49,56 --> 00:44:55,56 a huge part of that job in any district it's conversation and it's awkward at times 534 00:44:55,57 --> 00:44:58,57 and all those other wonderful things that comes with confronting challenging 535 00:44:58,58 --> 00:45:04,58 situations but that's the administrators job but isn't your job to teach to drive 536 00:45:04,63 --> 00:45:08,24 change in over time it almost seemed to the reed ministration like No Child Left 537 00:45:08,25 --> 00:45:11,29 Behind can. You talk about change you can write 538 00:45:11,30 --> 00:45:15,51 a book and let me have it was unfounded I got demands right you people to make an 539 00:45:15,52 --> 00:45:20,38 absolutely HAVE A A A Y P How how do you go about doing it I mean now you're 540 00:45:20,39 --> 00:45:23,03 teaching the kids is it structured to pass and 541 00:45:23,39 --> 00:45:28,94 a Y P J M M M person do I mean how do you do that literally I don't know if you 542 00:45:28,95 --> 00:45:31,81 have a meeting you call a staff and you create 543 00:45:31,82 --> 00:45:37,74 a plan I mean this is. The man broke through that you know and district for people 544 00:45:37,75 --> 00:45:41,28 don't know about I don't know I think I think again that's where I when I said 545 00:45:41,29 --> 00:45:45,05 about the vision of beginning of this meeting that in order to make the budget 546 00:45:45,06 --> 00:45:49,59 decisions you have to first go back and say what are we valuing most but is that 547 00:45:49,60 --> 00:45:51,61 what you have to try to Guy I mean where there's 548 00:45:51,62 --> 00:45:55,55 a why he is so important is there are you know 549 00:45:55,56 --> 00:46:00,83 a curriculum or something you put in place that is geared towards passing that and 550 00:46:00,84 --> 00:46:03,09 not. There's 551 00:46:03,10 --> 00:46:06,59 a now normally one to two months well you get you we have to give you things our 552 00:46:06,60 --> 00:46:12,15 control of direction does not control all of it it does impact every day today in 553 00:46:12,16 --> 00:46:19,06 my staff meeting the discussion was day of dance so are you going to get 554 00:46:19,07 --> 00:46:22,38 that today's in the next week's report today that's really important to understand 555 00:46:23,35 --> 00:46:27,75 the first piece of Aardvark our staff meeting was the day of dance which we had 556 00:46:27,76 --> 00:46:30,11 a totally multicultural kid 557 00:46:30,12 --> 00:46:36,66 a mixed up experience was fabulous and I said to my staff OK You know it's fabulous 558 00:46:36,93 --> 00:46:41,77 I know it's fabulous The kids are talking about it why what is it that makes that 559 00:46:41,78 --> 00:46:46,28 so important it's not going to show want to data page it's not going to show honor 560 00:46:46,29 --> 00:46:46,83 and 561 00:46:47,21 --> 00:46:52,67 a test but we know it's really good why and so we had that discussion first and then 562 00:46:52,68 --> 00:46:58,21 my second half or three quarters of it was OK here on the caps course here's how we 563 00:46:58,22 --> 00:47:03,31 do it what do you notice what did you learn from that how will this impact your 564 00:47:03,32 --> 00:47:07,56 teaching what can we do to help those that are still struggling and again those 565 00:47:07,57 --> 00:47:11,54 discussions and it it is my job to do 566 00:47:11,55 --> 00:47:15,88 a lot more research than the staff on these things but it has to be 567 00:47:15,89 --> 00:47:21,86 a shared piece I can no way say to them here's the curriculum just do it trust me 568 00:47:22,28 --> 00:47:26,57 they have to have sane and they have to have understanding they have to have by him 569 00:47:27,27 --> 00:47:31,12 because they're the ones who have to translate it to the students so it is 570 00:47:31,13 --> 00:47:35,57 a constant even just my office I have a stack and I'm sure 571 00:47:35,58 --> 00:47:41,83 a bump in his office stack of educational magazines and you know 572 00:47:42,05 --> 00:47:47,11 brochures and all those things it's our job to sift through and say OK what really 573 00:47:47,12 --> 00:47:52,36 is needed for us students. You know and I will when we have the discussions about 574 00:47:52,37 --> 00:47:56,42 the vision you know talk to bump and we will talk to the school board and say you 575 00:47:56,43 --> 00:48:00,27 know what I know what Jim is sayings like when the main learning results came out 576 00:48:00,64 --> 00:48:02,77 we got to teach to the learning results or you know 577 00:48:03,31 --> 00:48:05,76 a line everything to learning then there was 578 00:48:05,77 --> 00:48:11,46 a whole assessment piece they worked years teachers and then it was chalk we're not 579 00:48:11,47 --> 00:48:16,40 doing assessment it was like what. A lot of the noise doesn't yes 580 00:48:16,44 --> 00:48:20,85 a lot of time spent on that and then it was just taken out from under the local It 581 00:48:20,86 --> 00:48:24,95 was like we can't do it or I don't know what happened because I was like Let's get 582 00:48:24,99 --> 00:48:29,60 the OK let's just believe the mandate went away but I think what was fortunate for 583 00:48:29,61 --> 00:48:35,65 us was that the assessments continued here at the Akron school all the work was not 584 00:48:35,66 --> 00:48:39,74 done and they know not anything that he would like to have it in the eye candy they 585 00:48:39,75 --> 00:48:45,38 want you know heard and you know it is those pieces and why we need professional 586 00:48:45,86 --> 00:48:50,48 after school activity why we need a workshop it is a lot and there for 587 00:48:50,49 --> 00:48:54,97 a draw really than what it was fifteen Euro Absolutely and it's just absolutely the 588 00:48:54,98 --> 00:49:00,59 changes shift when you feel I mean absolutely absolutely and you know there's no 589 00:49:00,60 --> 00:49:05,51 doubt that some staff response to it better than others there's no doubt that there 590 00:49:05,52 --> 00:49:10,83 are principals who are better at guiding their schools than others. It's 591 00:49:10,84 --> 00:49:12,66 a challenge it is absolutely 592 00:49:12,67 --> 00:49:17,97 a challenge to stay on top of that to decide what is actually not worth beating 593 00:49:17,98 --> 00:49:22,65 your head against the wall for I would say based on our a Y.P. 594 00:49:22,66 --> 00:49:29,52 Scores and success ours act and students have at the high school level that we are 595 00:49:29,53 --> 00:49:29,84 doing 596 00:49:29,85 --> 00:49:35,81 a great job and have been you know those that came before me of filtering what's 597 00:49:35,82 --> 00:49:42,08 not as important as compared to what it is we are we have grade levels at times 598 00:49:42,09 --> 00:49:42,46 that have 599 00:49:42,47 --> 00:49:49,11 a gap that's below the state but our school average. Every year since the been 600 00:49:49,12 --> 00:49:50,09 measuring the Y.P. 601 00:49:50,32 --> 00:49:54,36 We have been ahead of the state every year and that means we are growing every year 602 00:49:55,53 --> 00:49:59,43 you know so every year we have made incremental progress and our students are 603 00:49:59,44 --> 00:50:03,95 coming back and saying that they feel prepared for high school so we have not 604 00:50:04,09 --> 00:50:08,49 taught to the test so badly that they're not able to function. In 605 00:50:08,50 --> 00:50:13,31 a different set setting you know they're not that trained and yet we still have to 606 00:50:13,32 --> 00:50:17,73 ask the question what do we need to do this to prove. That it is 607 00:50:17,74 --> 00:50:21,85 a constant always that's also what makes it exciting it's hard work but it's good 608 00:50:21,86 --> 00:50:27,47 hard work and it's valuable you know but the other piece of that is the citizen the 609 00:50:27,48 --> 00:50:32,70 child who you know needs to feel cared for we need to have curriculum that supports 610 00:50:32,71 --> 00:50:37,46 all parts you know we need the fears that we need the music you know it's music 611 00:50:37,47 --> 00:50:42,95 teachers I mean email today every student who's starting the instruments they hire 612 00:50:42,96 --> 00:50:46,07 in the last two years last year we're looking at 613 00:50:46,08 --> 00:50:50,81 a band of thirty kids next year. My secret we're going to have 614 00:50:50,82 --> 00:50:53,79 a parent practice I'm sure they're being provided with 615 00:50:53,80 --> 00:50:57,90 a drum set you can bet we're going to get those drum sets I mean that's phenomenal 616 00:50:58,13 --> 00:51:02,31 It is amazing for me and you know so again we procured ourselves an incredibly 617 00:51:02,32 --> 00:51:05,14 talented young musician who's 618 00:51:05,15 --> 00:51:09,65 a music teacher and we've got to ask ourselves do we value this idea I know what 619 00:51:09,66 --> 00:51:13,24 it's doing for these kids you know I see the pride when they walk around the school 620 00:51:13,38 --> 00:51:15,15 to take two or three at a time to learn 621 00:51:15,16 --> 00:51:18,78 a new song and they come in they just can we pop in from and show you what we've 622 00:51:18,79 --> 00:51:24,71 learned and so you know it is those little steps they're impacting the whole child 623 00:51:24,72 --> 00:51:30,33 who loves band or loves fit loves art is going to enjoy other parts of their day 624 00:51:30,37 --> 00:51:33,86 because they're looking forward to that one that's their best their favorite so you 625 00:51:33,87 --> 00:51:37,15 know act in hands and I know this is 626 00:51:37,16 --> 00:51:40,56 a digression of the regular budget piece but Acton has done 627 00:51:41,50 --> 00:51:46,52 a fantastic job despite all the cuts to try to protect and take care of the whole 628 00:51:46,53 --> 00:51:51,30 child. You know and I want to see that continue and we need to do it with 629 00:51:51,31 --> 00:51:55,81 a plan and the budget has to be part of that plan but it can't be the first part 630 00:51:56,81 --> 00:52:01,27 you know so as we keep changing keep growing and try to adapt to all the state and 631 00:52:01,28 --> 00:52:07,33 federal mandates in acting we have still stayed the course of the child first what 632 00:52:07,34 --> 00:52:12,79 is important for the student and that's remarkable in these times and you know I do 633 00:52:12,80 --> 00:52:17,09 commend the school board for making tough decisions and saying OK I don't want to 634 00:52:17,10 --> 00:52:19,26 cut that but if I have to make 635 00:52:19,27 --> 00:52:25,15 a choice you know what's best for the child. And shelters our kids are still 636 00:52:25,37 --> 00:52:31,51 fabulous children who grow up to be successful and you know our scores are 637 00:52:31,52 --> 00:52:37,46 a result of that rather than the direct intention I think it's second to the scores 638 00:52:37,53 --> 00:52:42,61 will keep coming up as long as their education is high quality all around and 639 00:52:42,62 --> 00:52:47,40 that's what I expect that's my teachers I just want to mention I think this is what 640 00:52:47,41 --> 00:52:52,78 I'm seeing is when we look over the last six years if why is seventy one. 641 00:52:55,06 --> 00:53:00,13 Coming up with this budget we're trying to present. We've only gone up three 642 00:53:00,14 --> 00:53:05,87 thousand nine hundred dollars in six years in what growth budget. 643 00:53:08,40 --> 00:53:10,58 That's interesting so weird 644 00:53:10,59 --> 00:53:15,14 a contract because you know the couple years I've looked at including where things 645 00:53:15,15 --> 00:53:17,08 were frozen Last year I definitely saw 646 00:53:17,09 --> 00:53:23,87 a decrease in the increase last year but I didn't look back far enough to see that 647 00:53:23,91 --> 00:53:28,43 seven years ago we roughly had the same budget we got no the weird weird contract 648 00:53:28,44 --> 00:53:33,00 and how did it contract its called Spanish Italy by buying oh so Poland curriculum 649 00:53:33,08 --> 00:53:38,79 the references just so now we're seeing writing as knowledge for less such 650 00:53:38,80 --> 00:53:40,56 a position so he's got 651 00:53:40,57 --> 00:53:45,66 a two year old talking and he was already received from the contracted help as 652 00:53:45,67 --> 00:53:48,55 opposed to the hired help that's it that has saved us 653 00:53:48,56 --> 00:53:54,15 a lot in two days or in general he says National Director their. Interest in 654 00:53:54,34 --> 00:54:00,34 everything it's gone I mean it's it's gone down why seven it was four thousand nine 655 00:54:00,35 --> 00:54:07,22 hundred ninety two for fifteen or eighteen whom it. Was happy Hey listen 656 00:54:07,26 --> 00:54:11,62 I've been in meetings since two o'clock. So it's four million nine hundred ninety 657 00:54:11,63 --> 00:54:15,42 two thousand four hundred fifty three this one that we're hopefully going to 658 00:54:15,43 --> 00:54:19,49 propose and I think this is my new number is four million nine hundred ninety six 659 00:54:19,50 --> 00:54:25,54 three sixty six that's what you think raised at that place twenty five or growing 660 00:54:25,74 --> 00:54:32,69 one hundred seventy one percent. Because we just reduced. The 661 00:54:32,70 --> 00:54:35,26 library Well I it was 662 00:54:35,27 --> 00:54:40,19 a change in the library and again my bottom line number two to decrease but to 663 00:54:40,20 --> 00:54:46,58 retain something but you say well. Oh yes I got. 664 00:54:49,82 --> 00:54:52,45 You know. Four K. 665 00:54:53,06 --> 00:55:00,06 Total that's OK This is just. I mean this is Leslie that's why seven that 666 00:55:00,07 --> 00:55:06,66 way. Crazy. OK so my last point on this subject 667 00:55:07,44 --> 00:55:13,83 as in salaries. Is the. Insurance health insurance. 668 00:55:15,59 --> 00:55:22,45 Co-pay. In boom times it was quite common in various industries to see one 669 00:55:22,46 --> 00:55:28,44 hundred percent payment of insurance and and the employee was in had all of their 670 00:55:28,45 --> 00:55:33,50 insurance paid for through their salary system they didn't have to cough up 671 00:55:33,51 --> 00:55:39,90 anything. With say the last even use five years. 672 00:55:40,96 --> 00:55:44,61 In the world at large progressively every year we're seeing fewer and fewer 673 00:55:44,62 --> 00:55:50,13 companies doing that because you know everybody's tightening the purse you know 674 00:55:50,17 --> 00:55:51,19 having their compromised 675 00:55:51,20 --> 00:55:57,22 a little bit more and we're seeing the co-pays go up. You know and the employer 676 00:55:57,23 --> 00:56:03,21 paying less of that insurance burden as the insurance goes up inevitably inevitably 677 00:56:03,22 --> 00:56:09,51 every year. So my is this reasonable question would be is this 678 00:56:09,52 --> 00:56:15,15 reasonable that we and I don't know if you are are not that we're not apparently 679 00:56:15,36 --> 00:56:20,90 thinking of that as new contracts are coming up and we're not necessarily that I 680 00:56:20,91 --> 00:56:27,82 see. Decreasing the payment for the employer and increasing to some 681 00:56:27,83 --> 00:56:34,00 degree the co-pay for the employee you know eighty five percent ninety percent 682 00:56:34,06 --> 00:56:38,61 something less than one hundred living in that direction I think I can tell you 683 00:56:38,62 --> 00:56:44,81 that the board has had this discussion ad nauseum some time. And it is all 684 00:56:44,82 --> 00:56:48,57 a part of the contract negotiations that's about all I can tell you about that but 685 00:56:49,17 --> 00:56:50,88 still do we think that it's 686 00:56:50,89 --> 00:56:55,24 a reasonable way of saying absolutely and I think the board with would agree with 687 00:56:55,25 --> 00:57:02,25 that you know what we can do it well. Whatever. Influence 688 00:57:02,26 --> 00:57:07,20 we have in that direction depends on the outcome of the overall contract that's 689 00:57:07,21 --> 00:57:12,33 negotiated but again I go back to the state level you know when I found out last 690 00:57:12,34 --> 00:57:19,10 year through support staff negotiation we really have nothing else to go by except 691 00:57:19,11 --> 00:57:25,69 Blue Cross Blue Shield. That set you talking about in terms of 692 00:57:25,73 --> 00:57:31,09 overall cost even if you know you know if they are hoping you don't have either if 693 00:57:31,13 --> 00:57:37,00 at the national level whatever level they can open it up for us to go to 694 00:57:37,85 --> 00:57:41,65 travel I don't know what healthier a dip in different states but if I could 695 00:57:41,66 --> 00:57:47,48 a went and said here's my fifty people whatever it is I want them to have insurance 696 00:57:47,52 --> 00:57:50,57 give me a rate give me a quote you know and I get 697 00:57:50,58 --> 00:57:56,34 a quote and I could shop around free market in any way I just think that would 698 00:57:56,35 --> 00:58:02,54 really help but when I stand out there is and here I think this Harvard Pilgrim 699 00:58:02,55 --> 00:58:05,32 Harvard Pilgrim said no thank you not interested in 700 00:58:05,33 --> 00:58:12,19 a said here but you know now you know I mean was it was too high and so you go with 701 00:58:12,20 --> 00:58:17,53 Blue Cross Blue Shield which is the main teachers' union. They have seventy 702 00:58:17,54 --> 00:58:22,72 thousand members it should bring the cost down it doesn't and I in worried about 703 00:58:22,81 --> 00:58:28,03 where the money is going instead of into Blue Cross Blue Shield. You know so 704 00:58:28,04 --> 00:58:33,99 there's very little leisure and cynical. Very very very thing to say I'm just 705 00:58:34,00 --> 00:58:39,83 telling you when you can't go anywhere except. Those you feel when you do I mean 706 00:58:39,84 --> 00:58:45,33 culture we do support the cost I want to reduce it and I can assure you that is the 707 00:58:45,34 --> 00:58:46,16 co-pay 708 00:58:46,20 --> 00:58:53,34 a factor of the per liter tacked on after the fact at the discretion of the employer 709 00:58:53,34 --> 00:58:55,15 . I mean they're not 710 00:58:55,16 --> 00:59:00,36 a good source for me here so part of the negotiation process OK that's only just so 711 00:59:00,37 --> 00:59:06,32 the purchase from the from the insurance agency is OK here's the number and then 712 00:59:06,36 --> 00:59:11,41 after that you can slice and dice that at your discretion correctly tween rates of 713 00:59:11,42 --> 00:59:12,80 the year it's 714 00:59:12,81 --> 00:59:16,73 a plan and rightly and decides what is not dollar co-pay twenty dollars co-pay it's 715 00:59:16,74 --> 00:59:20,48 no use for the post insurance company because it doesn't involve the insurance 716 00:59:20,49 --> 00:59:25,61 companies really the percentage that's of that or percentage right now goes. After 717 00:59:25,99 --> 00:59:30,13 the contract in question not with the insurance company director OK that's And 718 00:59:30,14 --> 00:59:34,18 again the comparisons are used from district to district right you're going on 719 00:59:34,19 --> 00:59:39,59 across town to play down to the negotiated the contract that has genes. From 720 00:59:39,60 --> 00:59:46,44 a percentage of the cost. Which they negotiate down to the same percentage but as 721 00:59:46,45 --> 00:59:52,13 a lower cost plan so you'd save money and last supports on right to. 722 00:59:53,36 --> 00:59:59,86 Change as well as saying yours will pay this much but will grandfather these people 723 00:59:59,94 --> 01:00:04,78 advance to the yard so it's not like we doing away at it and trying to get it down 724 01:00:04,79 --> 01:00:07,59 to work or percentage but you know it's 725 01:00:07,60 --> 01:00:12,81 a give and take we'll go down this way but you can give us this right so you know 726 01:00:12,82 --> 01:00:19,56 it's going to go bit by bit and working. Yeah. But these are all great questions of 727 01:00:19,57 --> 01:00:24,84 Paul Howes and I want to hear what's really been going on all of these things in 728 01:00:25,33 --> 01:00:29,70 the Goetia and I think they're having to remember is the term negotiation means 729 01:00:29,71 --> 01:00:35,56 just that I mean neither side can come in and say look this is this is where we're 730 01:00:35,57 --> 01:00:39,04 at this is the way it's going to be you can't do that that's not 731 01:00:39,05 --> 01:00:40,68 a negotiation that's 732 01:00:40,69 --> 01:00:45,53 a you know you can't go in even though you haven't in mind what you think you 733 01:00:45,54 --> 01:00:50,52 should be doing and what you want you write you you have to you have to negotiate 734 01:00:51,58 --> 01:00:57,86 in local backing for my vision of my vision of the school is that it is so 735 01:00:58,34 --> 01:01:03,18 excellent that you know they'll be elements more than money that will decide 736 01:01:03,19 --> 01:01:06,63 a teacher whether they want to come here or not you know if we have 737 01:01:06,64 --> 01:01:13,40 a slower you know lower co-pay if we have. Middling or perhaps even slightly 738 01:01:13,41 --> 01:01:19,59 lower salary than then school next door. But we're much better placed to war we've 739 01:01:19,60 --> 01:01:20,84 got to you know 740 01:01:21,84 --> 01:01:26,69 a better environment that counts for something you know quality of life to me at 741 01:01:26,70 --> 01:01:30,80 least that matters more than how much I take why we have one jeopardy that's why 742 01:01:30,81 --> 01:01:35,08 also so any way that you know that's that is something that we have going for us on 743 01:01:35,09 --> 01:01:39,67 these contracts you know at least once they're once they're done we don't 744 01:01:39,68 --> 01:01:44,90 necessarily have to pay a better dollar than the guy next door as long as we have 745 01:01:44,91 --> 01:01:49,80 a more attractive environment in the overall package you know and that's you know 746 01:01:49,81 --> 01:01:54,89 intangible all if you're very motivated teaching is not the right you know let's 747 01:01:55,06 --> 01:01:59,11 remember that debate is usually because you like it to begin with sorry that she 748 01:01:59,12 --> 01:02:02,75 had it's yes exactly I don't you know I tell the kids it's for the fame and fortune 749 01:02:02,75 --> 01:02:09,75 . But they have to see my name in lights. So sounds like Paul wants 750 01:02:09,76 --> 01:02:09,90 to be 751 01:02:09,91 --> 01:02:15,75 a school committee member. Here tonight is I don't know your victim of the Peter 752 01:02:15,76 --> 01:02:19,29 Principle you haven't you know I think it's just I think it's good because I mean 753 01:02:19,30 --> 01:02:20,34 it just brings up 754 01:02:20,47 --> 01:02:27,47 a lot of points as far as how the process works not just you know what I have 755 01:02:27,51 --> 01:02:32,22 you know having determined number you know for us to say OK we want to budget 756 01:02:32,23 --> 01:02:34,58 a four point five million now set 757 01:02:34,59 --> 01:02:38,04 a four point nine You know I think that it should give people 758 01:02:38,05 --> 01:02:43,72 a much better perspective on how the all how the budget is built and how I think 759 01:02:43,73 --> 01:02:47,82 I'm always struck that bottom line it's well it is it is really struck 760 01:02:47,83 --> 01:02:54,18 a few years yes check the Blue Cross Blue Shield that's your only choice yes and 761 01:02:54,19 --> 01:02:59,96 why is that or only choice. Because there is no insurance companies in Maine except 762 01:02:59,97 --> 01:03:05,45 three Harvard Pilgrim won't even give us a number. And that they gave you 763 01:03:05,46 --> 01:03:06,10 a too high 764 01:03:06,11 --> 01:03:09,74 a call because they don't want the business in the first place and maybe they don't 765 01:03:09,75 --> 01:03:15,13 want to sell I can't compete if you give me here could you truly hear me say in 766 01:03:15,14 --> 01:03:19,97 they have the bucks and they've got seventy thousand members in so teachers pay 767 01:03:19,98 --> 01:03:26,04 less school committees pay last for their insurance than the person 768 01:03:26,85 --> 01:03:33,17 in private enterprise or if you buy it privately. You can't afford it unless you've 769 01:03:33,18 --> 01:03:39,36 got a co-pay the so big that that you have to have a. Real life threatening event 770 01:03:39,52 --> 01:03:45,27 a lot of collect on. What it is it is the way it is the N.E.A. 771 01:03:45,28 --> 01:03:48,40 That drives it and some because it's 772 01:03:48,41 --> 01:03:52,63 a have to for instance are the only good strict in the state that's 773 01:03:52,67 --> 01:03:58,15 a hefty. American Federation of Teachers and they have as 774 01:03:58,16 --> 01:04:04,84 a cap so it's but in the state of Maine that's all you can get quotes from even as 775 01:04:04,85 --> 01:04:10,93 a private citizen is no you can't go over in here get you know if you can not be 776 01:04:10,94 --> 01:04:17,85 health insurance car insurance go on line. You know I mean. It will save 777 01:04:17,86 --> 01:04:24,00 you for eighty five days that's right. I don't know I've never had shot. 778 01:04:26,62 --> 01:04:27,29 But it's like 779 01:04:27,30 --> 01:04:31,44 a monopoly and that's what I was getting angry I don't have three like V.A. 780 01:04:31,71 --> 01:04:33,66 Hope that both of you have better got they think 781 01:04:33,67 --> 01:04:38,23 a very good therapy for about us here we do very good and thank you for your 782 01:04:38,24 --> 01:04:44,39 service that so my but I still have to have thought of that. But now that I'm not 783 01:04:44,46 --> 01:04:47,71 there I'm going to shock you so much so that it joined the Air War and finance it. 784 01:04:51,73 --> 01:04:57,95 So much for your questions that. There were any one of them from Sega see that we 785 01:04:57,96 --> 01:05:03,81 have any other good things to look at any other thing although I have. A final high 786 01:05:03,82 --> 01:05:09,11 level observation here. Actually And it starts with 787 01:05:09,12 --> 01:05:15,31 a question where where do we stand in terms of budget reduction from last year. 788 01:05:17,23 --> 01:05:22,19 But overall but understanding that the infamous hundred seventy thousand dollars is 789 01:05:22,20 --> 01:05:27,43 gone we've gotten some of that So forty two thousand dollars less OK so I want to 790 01:05:27,44 --> 01:05:32,91 point out. What's gone on in the last couple of years which is you know going 791 01:05:32,92 --> 01:05:38,66 around two and three times before ratifying the budget. So we have 792 01:05:38,67 --> 01:05:43,29 a perception issue here that we're going to start off on the right side of the 793 01:05:43,30 --> 01:05:48,41 fence when we go into the you know the first time to get the budget ratified. 794 01:05:50,08 --> 01:05:55,90 We have two new warrant articles twenty five thousand dollars apiece one for the 795 01:05:55,91 --> 01:06:02,45 roof one for the communication system. If we manage in our infinite 796 01:06:02,46 --> 01:06:09,07 wisdom to come up with more then what those budget articles are going to be 797 01:06:09,13 --> 01:06:10,83 going for in 798 01:06:10,84 --> 01:06:16,89 a reduction of the budget at large we would have the perception real or in or 799 01:06:16,93 --> 01:06:18,34 imaginary of 800 01:06:18,35 --> 01:06:23,38 a reduced overall school budget for the year in other words if we're going to be 801 01:06:23,39 --> 01:06:28,08 putting forth this budget and asking for another fifty thousand dollars if the 802 01:06:28,09 --> 01:06:34,48 total is less than the current budget for this year I think there would be much 803 01:06:34,49 --> 01:06:41,46 better. Momentum to ratify all three of 804 01:06:41,47 --> 01:06:47,96 those. Sets of business if there is less 805 01:06:47,97 --> 01:06:51,72 than the fifty thousand dollar reduction in the law in the main budget that we're 806 01:06:51,73 --> 01:06:58,55 discussing here it's quite likely in my opinion that you know if if people are 807 01:06:58,56 --> 01:07:02,63 thinking in that regard as opposed to budget increase budget decrease that they're 808 01:07:02,64 --> 01:07:03,40 going to choose 809 01:07:03,41 --> 01:07:08,91 a sacrificial cow here and they're going to pick one either the roof or the 810 01:07:08,92 --> 01:07:14,84 communication system and the you know vote in the negative because doing anything 811 01:07:14,85 --> 01:07:18,57 less would increase the school budget those two articles are going to be on the can 812 01:07:18,58 --> 01:07:23,21 only have you know I understand that but the perception is going to be that there 813 01:07:23,22 --> 01:07:29,96 are school articles and. Right or wrong perception is pretty much 814 01:07:29,97 --> 01:07:34,88 everything. You know that's what they're going to be thinking of I think so so 815 01:07:34,89 --> 01:07:41,04 Carly figure wise Now you said forty one forty two forty. 816 01:07:43,51 --> 01:07:49,32 Reduction OK So in those two were fifty thousand dollars so I merely pointed that 817 01:07:49,33 --> 01:07:49,94 out like 818 01:07:49,95 --> 01:07:56,79 a thousand dollars right there done on separate days yeah yeah we also you know 819 01:07:56,80 --> 01:08:00,08 I I find it wasteful to go through 820 01:08:00,09 --> 01:08:04,31 a budget ratification process two and three times when we're spending you know 821 01:08:04,32 --> 01:08:05,34 probably five hundred bucks 822 01:08:05,35 --> 01:08:09,61 a pop every time we do it and you know everybody's burning time nobody wants to do 823 01:08:09,62 --> 01:08:16,55 that so I just sort of clarification that to warrant the June I 824 01:08:16,56 --> 01:08:20,99 want you know that's my impression that they're not part of the working budget they 825 01:08:21,00 --> 01:08:26,96 don't go they're not part of another very fast notes in the tone which probably it 826 01:08:26,97 --> 01:08:30,91 may be perception and really that's where the that's the where the loan on the 827 01:08:30,92 --> 01:08:35,00 building in the first place different it's not going to play these two worn out of 828 01:08:35,01 --> 01:08:38,07 those are going to be here the night of the school vote or with this I mean all 829 01:08:38,48 --> 01:08:41,24 right this is you know it's almost like 830 01:08:41,25 --> 01:08:46,13 a capital improvement you know all the time he doesn't have the times best interest 831 01:08:46,14 --> 01:08:50,43 to take care of their building it has zero to do with the school work and budget I 832 01:08:50,44 --> 01:08:52,74 mean you know that's what makes 833 01:08:52,75 --> 01:08:59,70 a perception that's absolutely NO NO actual in to try to go back and take seven or 834 01:08:59,71 --> 01:09:04,46 eight thousand dollars out just to meet the perception of people of something that 835 01:09:04,50 --> 01:09:09,02 is an actual That just doesn't make sense to me you know I understand what your 836 01:09:09,03 --> 01:09:14,26 side I am trying to make sure that we speak for right all the people we're going to 837 01:09:14,27 --> 01:09:18,82 hear you get out of absolutely agree with that in the people get to speak on these 838 01:09:18,83 --> 01:09:23,65 two articles on time for right because this is the time I was building actually and 839 01:09:23,66 --> 01:09:26,53 it's up to you know I mean just common sense you want if it needs 840 01:09:26,80 --> 01:09:31,46 a group of here that's up to the people you fix the roof of your let it rip. It can 841 01:09:31,47 --> 01:09:36,56 destroy but it's not it absolutely is not part of the school's working budget 842 01:09:36,60 --> 01:09:41,64 perception and you know I understand what you're you're thinking it may be spun 843 01:09:41,65 --> 01:09:47,96 that way but that's not what it is. I mean to go back in and cut what I wrote that 844 01:09:47,97 --> 01:09:53,12 six seven thousand dollars to try to meet the perception with some folks that may 845 01:09:53,13 --> 01:09:57,58 spin this into it just doesn't make sense to me I will admit he's 846 01:09:57,59 --> 01:10:04,22 a certain degree of arbitrariness in that in that state yes. So my thing is to let 847 01:10:04,23 --> 01:10:08,73 the people decide on the roof repair if they feel we can wait another year then 848 01:10:08,74 --> 01:10:12,91 that's what the vote will be you know we're not down but maybe they think you know 849 01:10:12,92 --> 01:10:16,36 maybe not this year but next year whatever because we don't know I don't know what 850 01:10:16,40 --> 01:10:21,23 the other town articles are so it is going to be up to the camera inside. 851 01:10:23,20 --> 01:10:28,01 Certainly I would expect that for both of those articles though there will be 852 01:10:28,76 --> 01:10:32,78 informed individuals who can comment to whatever the town needs to know about 853 01:10:33,40 --> 01:10:36,98 either of those and. That was 854 01:10:37,11 --> 01:10:41,68 a lot of work but it was really can't you see in myself I was going to prove their 855 01:10:41,69 --> 01:10:45,10 view don't think you're going to exactly be that's not going to be dealt with by 856 01:10:45,11 --> 01:10:48,34 the school committee that's going to be done by the sort of the results where war 857 01:10:48,42 --> 01:10:52,87 you say they're worn out of go right to separate it has zero to do with this 858 01:10:52,88 --> 01:10:57,01 working budget I hope we will look we'll provide them all the information to stand 859 01:10:57,16 --> 01:11:01,95 over that's not it's their warrant it's the town's building it's not with this 860 01:11:01,96 --> 01:11:06,89 budget. You know and the other thing to go along with what you just said Paul is 861 01:11:06,90 --> 01:11:11,82 that you know to go back and try to figure out when we've sifted through this 862 01:11:11,89 --> 01:11:17,88 budget for how many weeks and months now piece by piece by dollar by dollar to go 863 01:11:17,89 --> 01:11:22,01 back and say OK we're going to go back and try to take up another at least thousand 864 01:11:22,02 --> 01:11:27,35 dollars someplace then it's like but we value everything that we have in here right 865 01:11:27,46 --> 01:11:32,86 and why would we want to go back and take away something that we value and feel is 866 01:11:32,87 --> 01:11:37,80 necessary if we didn't feel it was necessary for the children of the school it 867 01:11:37,81 --> 01:11:43,65 would be in the budget as it is now anyway so I would say I hear what you're saying 868 01:11:43,66 --> 01:11:47,83 and you're right there just knew he was definitely going to say that it because 869 01:11:47,84 --> 01:11:51,25 it's all in the perception it's not in the facts it's always 870 01:11:51,26 --> 01:11:57,42 a perception so. That we may be able to do that if the health insurance. 871 01:11:58,59 --> 01:12:04,24 Doesn't increase as much as that but to write it down there is still some I know 872 01:12:04,25 --> 01:12:09,50 it's in the budget that right well actually I think in terms of the unknown's the 873 01:12:09,51 --> 01:12:13,94 insurance if if it goes up five percent instead of ten percent what happens to the 874 01:12:13,95 --> 01:12:17,79 five percent is that is it able to be moved around elsewhere in the budget what we 875 01:12:17,80 --> 01:12:23,88 would do is hopefully have that information before you go to vote so it could 876 01:12:23,89 --> 01:12:28,41 become so without actually using the Euro Lotto it would that number which change 877 01:12:28,52 --> 01:12:34,55 you know. Because you're still talking about this working budget here in those two 878 01:12:34,56 --> 01:12:38,67 articles going to come floor what is the difference were two or three thousand 879 01:12:38,68 --> 01:12:44,44 dollars of yours and you know what it last but if the insurance comes through it on 880 01:12:44,45 --> 01:12:49,58 less than ten percent let's say it comes through with three percent that's about 881 01:12:51,47 --> 01:12:56,07 twelve thirteen fourteen thousand dollars so you know there's your eight in the 882 01:12:56,08 --> 01:13:01,55 five additional you've addition to that we're going to receive you know the budgets 883 01:13:01,56 --> 01:13:08,22 going to be less than what we had initially proposed. So I understand exactly where 884 01:13:08,29 --> 01:13:12,29 balls coming right Bussy off the room what the town's been through over the last 885 01:13:12,30 --> 01:13:18,35 few years ago it's confusing. It's every point he's bringing up here it appears 886 01:13:18,40 --> 01:13:24,13 really causation. You know clarity we want. To be. 887 01:13:26,93 --> 01:13:31,89 With the right with it I mean I think to me that would say the most about this is 888 01:13:31,90 --> 01:13:38,87 a test of our times for. The to add to our our virtual budget. 889 01:13:40,63 --> 01:13:43,85 We don't know off a lot on the table we don't know 890 01:13:43,86 --> 01:13:50,68 a lot about the credit side of the budget we don't know what we're getting you 891 01:13:50,69 --> 01:13:54,69 know basically what we're going to be able to net against in order to go against 892 01:13:54,95 --> 01:14:00,23 tax receipts so we have no idea at this time where that's going to fall in the way 893 01:14:00,24 --> 01:14:06,59 as well as here. You can go pencil and paper your general purpose age is 894 01:14:06,94 --> 01:14:13,78 projected to have one hundred eighty four thousand one of these. Was 895 01:14:13,88 --> 01:14:16,82 the Reagan one eighty four one eighty seven you have 896 01:14:16,83 --> 01:14:23,77 a net of in comparison with last year. I don't know selling something amazing I 897 01:14:23,78 --> 01:14:29,17 may have not have to go with your everything I mean. We have 898 01:14:30,00 --> 01:14:36,53 nutrition. We're projecting sixty five thousand dollars in revenue in the last 899 01:14:36,74 --> 01:14:42,37 two years last three years two years. It's been approximately fifteen thousand 900 01:14:42,38 --> 01:14:48,96 dollars more than. The plan on it but it projected it's 901 01:14:49,33 --> 01:14:54,95 we're projecting sixty five. Will not come to Medicare in the past we've projected 902 01:14:55,82 --> 01:15:02,53 upwards to fifty thousand dollars in it's always exceeded that. So right now you're 903 01:15:02,54 --> 01:15:03,28 not with 904 01:15:03,29 --> 01:15:08,50 a lot of projects I think but he may get something we may get we haven't got any 905 01:15:08,56 --> 01:15:12,39 this year yet. They haven't sent 906 01:15:12,40 --> 01:15:18,36 a penny well drying up so let's just see what happens nutrition excuse me it your 907 01:15:18,37 --> 01:15:25,24 jobs we received fifty eight thousand dollars roughly. We banked or we 908 01:15:25,25 --> 01:15:30,61 spent five thousand we banked fifty three that's 909 01:15:30,62 --> 01:15:37,50 a revenue one time two thousand for all fiscal year over. So you can plan 910 01:15:37,51 --> 01:15:43,91 on it going forward so with those with those numbers you feel you have four. 911 01:15:46,61 --> 01:15:51,38 Of the G.P.A. Last year was to sixty one seven right that's 912 01:15:51,39 --> 01:15:54,81 a big hit to make it is but we don't have 913 01:15:54,82 --> 01:16:00,60 a one sixty nothing to take away from and OK So that was what was going into us or 914 01:16:00,60 --> 01:16:06,75 . So it's possible that we won't be behind the eight ball when you know when we get 915 01:16:06,76 --> 01:16:12,57 to that point so we're going to have projected revenue or quote two hundred 916 01:16:12,58 --> 01:16:18,43 thousand. Give or take this is projected winner those numbers solidify when you go 917 01:16:18,44 --> 01:16:24,40 girl we received the major projection earliest that I can recall in the last four 918 01:16:24,41 --> 01:16:30,84 years usually it's been bad. But up to the final gun you have to have 919 01:16:30,85 --> 01:16:36,06 a budget by July first of July so it's two hundred in comparison with last year's 920 01:16:36,07 --> 01:16:43,06 What do sixty one OK So sixty one less but one hundred seventy thousand 921 01:16:43,07 --> 01:16:49,61 dollars last year how presently in actually we projected more than we won ninety 922 01:16:49,62 --> 01:16:56,14 seven one ninety four we projected last year because we had the penalty 923 01:16:56,88 --> 01:17:03,87 then in November the penalty was released. And we received an additional hundred 924 01:17:03,88 --> 01:17:10,81 thousand dollars in two thousand. All of which we just saw 925 01:17:11,95 --> 01:17:15,43 on the revenue side will be better than we were 926 01:17:15,44 --> 01:17:22,18 a year ago not by war or the battle but we don't have one hundred seventy thousand 927 01:17:22,19 --> 01:17:28,87 dollars going to get rid of the slightly optimistic you know. You have to remember 928 01:17:28,88 --> 01:17:34,42 the hundred sixty knowing thousand dollars of debt service. Was 929 01:17:34,43 --> 01:17:38,93 a war we never received it. Right it paid off 930 01:17:38,94 --> 01:17:43,04 a debt but it wasn't part of our regular funds we were receiving was not predicated 931 01:17:43,05 --> 01:17:47,88 on having the right though so it does go somewhere else and it's valid to discover 932 01:17:47,88 --> 01:17:54,08 you it didn't have any impact on your budget basically. We want it we will have 933 01:17:54,08 --> 01:18:00,79 that basis you know the projections that the governor has made. But 934 01:18:00,80 --> 01:18:07,66 dependent on several different things. One. Is he going to get twenty two 935 01:18:07,67 --> 01:18:12,93 billion dollars somewhere in savings in the state government to put into the pot 936 01:18:14,57 --> 01:18:15,93 we had anticipated 937 01:18:15,94 --> 01:18:21,63 a seventy Pertwee seventy three one hundred thousand dollars but the twenty two 938 01:18:21,64 --> 01:18:27,78 million that he put into the federal to the aid to education allowed him to 939 01:18:27,79 --> 01:18:32,92 redistribute that. But that hasn't been approved by the legislature 940 01:18:34,48 --> 01:18:39,98 and with the way the economy's been going you know even if they approve it you 941 01:18:39,99 --> 01:18:45,99 could wind up. In September or October with another curtailed not we don't want to 942 01:18:45,99 --> 01:18:52,39 end up like Sanford although it's not depend on anything but here you know. So. I 943 01:18:52,41 --> 01:18:57,62 think your school committee and certainly. The staff have done 944 01:18:57,63 --> 01:19:03,31 a great job in getting the budget into a position where. It's less than that was 945 01:19:03,31 --> 01:19:08,83 a year ago. And the potential for being even 946 01:19:09,25 --> 01:19:16,00 a less net budget is good. For the for the community and if we're able to do 947 01:19:16,01 --> 01:19:20,68 that and get the other two things that that they're going to do on the town site 948 01:19:21,58 --> 01:19:27,39 then we would be in good shape first of the year. But in another year you're going 949 01:19:27,40 --> 01:19:34,28 to lose that fifty two thousand fifty three thousand that we banked so if you 950 01:19:34,29 --> 01:19:35,18 have to hire 951 01:19:35,19 --> 01:19:41,96 a new teacher next year's budget automatically is something like fifty three 952 01:19:42,05 --> 01:19:46,93 fifty whatever the cost may be. When it goes the paper work part of the roof is 953 01:19:46,94 --> 01:19:53,41 gone but it's all the gym is it because. It's at least on 954 01:19:53,42 --> 01:20:00,17 a couple of occasions when the rainy. Day is going to let you know if 955 01:20:00,18 --> 01:20:06,94 he. Got asphalt shingles on it or you know. In the one thousand nine hundred so 956 01:20:06,95 --> 01:20:12,85 there will be twenty one years old coming up I mean you know as 957 01:20:12,86 --> 01:20:15,82 a. Typically it's 958 01:20:15,83 --> 01:20:19,78 a family that's there about seventeen million forty five or thirty although the 959 01:20:19,79 --> 01:20:20,97 shuttle itself has it for 960 01:20:20,98 --> 01:20:24,86 a while even today if you have that they've got fiberglass on them so I mean 961 01:20:26,67 --> 01:20:28,91 basically I would be looking to replace them with 962 01:20:28,92 --> 01:20:35,52 a thirty year architectural that everything strip and it wouldn't have looking for 963 01:20:35,53 --> 01:20:39,29 a turnkey package has 964 01:20:39,30 --> 01:20:44,44 a lot of it is that how the world works and they will vote for me that's all yeah 965 01:20:44,57 --> 01:20:48,14 yeah. That's not feasible so that banks. 966 01:20:52,77 --> 01:20:53,75 Look ational training for 967 01:20:53,76 --> 01:20:58,65 a few kids yeah. That's what it is on the fifty third in housing and they have 968 01:20:58,66 --> 01:21:05,11 a right questions on the budget and I don't. Well I simply have 969 01:21:05,86 --> 01:21:12,00 a walk away question having to do with procedural in the next week or two but we 970 01:21:12,01 --> 01:21:17,32 might as well get finished with whatever is the disgust on the person on the budget 971 01:21:17,33 --> 01:21:21,75 process. For that. I think we're probably over 972 01:21:21,76 --> 01:21:27,81 a good walk away. You surely drive home I don't have the seats repaired I might 973 01:21:27,82 --> 01:21:32,14 stay along I mean I think that you know the last workshop that we had I mean I 974 01:21:32,15 --> 01:21:37,40 think that. The school committee as well as the warm finance with great discussion 975 01:21:37,41 --> 01:21:39,33 and I think that we really clarified 976 01:21:39,34 --> 01:21:46,21 a lot of the things as far as any questions that we would have you 977 01:21:46,22 --> 01:21:52,09 know the other piece that Paul. Next week the school committee meets on the eighth 978 01:21:52,09 --> 01:21:58,57 . They will be approving those but it has been discussed here or 979 01:21:58,75 --> 01:22:04,95 something that reflects that and the people in developed the fine award questions 980 01:22:05,73 --> 01:22:05,90 on 981 01:22:05,91 --> 01:22:12,90 a cold. And then the following the fourteenth of March. We will get 982 01:22:12,91 --> 01:22:19,65 together with you folks will vote to either support. Silence of 983 01:22:19,88 --> 01:22:24,58 the against I find the one week gap between those two readings to be somewhat 984 01:22:24,59 --> 01:22:28,02 precipitous meaning that's too big 985 01:22:28,03 --> 01:22:34,78 a word for the. Abrupt opening quip you think it's too soon well not too 986 01:22:34,79 --> 01:22:41,62 soon you know in the budget year necessarily but. OK. Well the 987 01:22:41,63 --> 01:22:46,42 sort of recap my thoughts as I'm looking at those today so OK so we've got tomorrow 988 01:22:46,98 --> 01:22:48,29 this committee has 989 01:22:48,50 --> 01:22:51,96 a meeting that's already been arranged in the can't really be delayed because it 990 01:22:51,97 --> 01:22:52,24 involves 991 01:22:52,25 --> 01:22:56,60 a lot of parties talking about the municipal budget and we also have during the 992 01:22:56,61 --> 01:23:00,55 coming week we have selections meeting which we don't you know be probably 993 01:23:00,56 --> 01:23:07,34 a good idea not to be blown off. Another meeting or two basically it leaves us with 994 01:23:07,38 --> 01:23:12,20 Friday oh OK we can't also can't meet Thursday because Chuck's got 995 01:23:12,21 --> 01:23:18,81 a prior commitment as well so so basically as far as meeting nights I see Friday 996 01:23:19,42 --> 01:23:25,53 for the whole ship Bang to be discussing all of these. War nautical for the school 997 01:23:26,33 --> 01:23:31,77 now it may go like that or we may be burning the midnight oil it's yet to be 998 01:23:31,78 --> 01:23:35,71 determined Friday but you have a two week window that it's not 999 01:23:35,72 --> 01:23:40,35 a two week window it's week two for the next four well you can assume oh we don't 1000 01:23:40,36 --> 01:23:43,72 do well good change anything OK well we won't have the war in articles I guess it 1001 01:23:43,73 --> 01:23:49,93 was OK until the. I can do employer before that as a as 1002 01:23:49,94 --> 01:23:55,99 a grad when is the morning finance meeting. Now with us now 1003 01:23:56,84 --> 01:24:02,84 your next meeting mine or our next meeting is tomorrow I think writing. Our our 1004 01:24:02,85 --> 01:24:07,77 meeting for the discussion of the war articles that will be released on the eighth 1005 01:24:08,00 --> 01:24:10,05 is going to be on the eleventh which is 1006 01:24:10,06 --> 01:24:14,95 a Friday evening and at this moment I'm sort of thinking OK what we need to be 1007 01:24:14,96 --> 01:24:18,42 going to do the Saturday you know I don't know if we will or not it would be 1008 01:24:18,43 --> 01:24:20,32 foolish not to have 1009 01:24:20,33 --> 01:24:25,40 a contingency that would sound this would be have town hall. Friday 1010 01:24:25,41 --> 01:24:29,90 a steamy fiery our normal readings are at six thirty it's reasonable compromise 1011 01:24:29,91 --> 01:24:32,31 between the six and the City is how would this help 1012 01:24:32,32 --> 01:24:38,56 a lot of valuable before us in the visually voting on the war articles that will be 1013 01:24:38,57 --> 01:24:43,46 released on the eighth month if we're on the on the I Love A Well that would guess 1014 01:24:43,47 --> 01:24:49,31 we're going to do the Saturday this fall you know Paul how would it help you if I 1015 01:24:49,59 --> 01:24:55,55 did the draft or an article this week at some point telling them to get 1016 01:24:55,56 --> 01:25:01,50 a minute. You know I in ice in those two you write and then we can you can share 1017 01:25:01,51 --> 01:25:05,14 them then we can do it in the quote or the draft worn out of course or pretty 1018 01:25:05,15 --> 01:25:10,82 straight for. All you do is post the number and who put the numbers in as we have 1019 01:25:10,83 --> 01:25:17,22 discussed them to many write in then. If there are changes or 1020 01:25:17,74 --> 01:25:23,56 decisions made that either increase or decrease that will be done next so you'll 1021 01:25:23,57 --> 01:25:30,13 have a chance to look at all the worn out. With numbers and I can't imagine that 1022 01:25:30,14 --> 01:25:36,16 a whole lot of that's going to change. Of that maybe that would be helpful you know 1023 01:25:36,17 --> 01:25:37,49 the sooner the quicker OK got 1024 01:25:37,50 --> 01:25:43,56 a little more more opportunity because otherwise it's like you know this sort of 1025 01:25:43,60 --> 01:25:46,71 lumbering process you know as the season progresses and all of 1026 01:25:46,72 --> 01:25:50,93 a sudden helps even when we're focusing only on going to when we forget that you're 1027 01:25:50,94 --> 01:25:54,76 focused on more than one school committee would be wrote on your word Michael's 1028 01:25:55,13 --> 01:26:00,17 next Tuesday next Tuesday Well you know they want to say the eighty eight you know 1029 01:26:00,18 --> 01:26:05,76 in the in the past I don't remember I think it's great that we've we've got 1030 01:26:05,77 --> 01:26:10,41 a I better system now that gives the Wharton Finance Committee more our 1031 01:26:11,20 --> 01:26:15,04 understanding of what's actually in the budget by meeting together as many times as 1032 01:26:15,05 --> 01:26:21,52 we and but. In the past as I recall we have met with the Wharton Finance Committee 1033 01:26:21,53 --> 01:26:27,16 once we once we had our like it articles done we've had 1034 01:26:27,22 --> 01:26:32,44 a meeting with the Warren Finance Committee with AIDS. Talking go over it with us 1035 01:26:32,45 --> 01:26:37,25 and make their recommendations or whatever that's the fourteenth crowd the fourteen 1036 01:26:37,26 --> 01:26:43,76 right coming in there and then if you isn't at the at the gym in the dark for him 1037 01:26:44,12 --> 01:26:48,28 says I don't know why we have the city and they all go it says right here at the 1038 01:26:48,29 --> 01:26:51,94 sections you know one of the Other than that because we're going to huge audience 1039 01:26:51,95 --> 01:26:56,15 of course we all know what we're expecting Yes Oh OK We are going to have 1040 01:26:56,16 --> 01:27:01,84 a huge audience right there that shouldn't be on the school committee votes on 1041 01:27:01,85 --> 01:27:05,70 their vibes it only right we're meeting discussing it we're voting the night of the 1042 01:27:05,71 --> 01:27:07,67 fourteenth right there was 1043 01:27:07,68 --> 01:27:11,22 a right of the meeting that you had to go through and what he wanted to do I needed 1044 01:27:11,23 --> 01:27:12,23 while I had it I had 1045 01:27:12,24 --> 01:27:16,67 a meeting scheduled on the eleventh because we needed to make the official 1046 01:27:16,68 --> 01:27:17,74 recommendation as 1047 01:27:17,75 --> 01:27:21,02 a group standalone but that's he didn't want that meeting on the fourteenth you 1048 01:27:21,03 --> 01:27:22,42 know you do that at the meeting or in 1049 01:27:22,43 --> 01:27:26,20 a forum where you got that time to read out of the meeting on the fourteenth OK So 1050 01:27:26,21 --> 01:27:30,28 we're sitting there burning time discussing each of these things and voting as 1051 01:27:30,29 --> 01:27:32,15 a committee and then you're sort of taking 1052 01:27:32,16 --> 01:27:37,43 a direct route you've already been here many many Right I mean shouldn't I mean I 1053 01:27:37,44 --> 01:27:42,63 wanted to get twice Well some of you have been here every time we've discussed 1054 01:27:42,64 --> 01:27:46,81 above well that's important for this particular purpose I mean I was which I think 1055 01:27:46,82 --> 01:27:51,63 sitting in this chair twice I have to tell you it's great that that time I have you 1056 01:27:51,64 --> 01:27:54,92 here we we really we have before pre-K. 1057 01:27:54,98 --> 01:27:59,99 That because it's we feel like. We've had 1058 01:28:00,00 --> 01:28:05,84 a chance to tell you where the bite it comes from and how we why we're asking for 1059 01:28:05,85 --> 01:28:09,97 what we're asking for and. So this is 1060 01:28:09,98 --> 01:28:14,65 a very understanding so it's not just like all this is that you know there's 1061 01:28:15,37 --> 01:28:22,08 nothing had been there anywhere Michael. OK. If you're going to vote 1062 01:28:22,51 --> 01:28:26,71 your record on the air your articles and then on the fourteenth will come in and 1063 01:28:27,68 --> 01:28:32,95 I'm sure some of us will be at the meeting. So we'll know how they voted we have 1064 01:28:32,96 --> 01:28:37,62 a budget we're going over budget you know fairly substantial I would think you know 1065 01:28:38,29 --> 01:28:42,98 in that night of the fourteenth we can discuss it that would be our meeting these 1066 01:28:42,99 --> 01:28:47,44 basic we're getting I mean come on what do you think was right where we are that's 1067 01:28:47,45 --> 01:28:48,40 a town hall it's 1068 01:28:48,41 --> 01:28:53,19 a town hall My mother hates this here it's there me before Peter's office will 1069 01:28:53,20 --> 01:28:58,61 discuss I'm going to hold the sword in the school jump it for you live if you if 1070 01:28:58,62 --> 01:29:02,38 you want if you want to do it if you want you can call it if you want you know also 1071 01:29:02,39 --> 01:29:06,85 that was probably a better way count home than if you publicize this call it 1072 01:29:06,86 --> 01:29:12,37 a public hearing for the school budget while it's already on the web page and go 1073 01:29:12,38 --> 01:29:16,75 yeah on the cable as being in the school gym you know we just look not OK let him 1074 01:29:16,76 --> 01:29:22,72 write you know. I took one like this it was all really clear and that's I graduate 1075 01:29:22,73 --> 01:29:26,62 here I mean I don't feel personally that I'm going to be taking one of the back if 1076 01:29:26,63 --> 01:29:33,46 I come to the school to talk about OK I'm glad you graduate because six. Fourteen 1077 01:29:34,33 --> 01:29:41,20 six pm. We're almost out of time according to Mike we have about 1078 01:29:41,21 --> 01:29:47,00 two minutes OK then I'll take twenty seconds and say gee. Regarding this but this 1079 01:29:47,93 --> 01:29:54,69 this contract that is not yet formed Are any of the terms as expected and has 1080 01:29:54,70 --> 01:29:58,80 budgeted. Potentially going to continue to change in 1081 01:29:58,81 --> 01:30:04,41 a downward direction. Or we are we go to the party to assume that he will do that I 1082 01:30:04,42 --> 01:30:08,41 will hear appropriate for me to respond to it's a negotiations it's 1083 01:30:08,42 --> 01:30:14,46 a private kill it's done at the school committee hasn't had that information OK so 1084 01:30:14,47 --> 01:30:16,76 I wouldn't want to know to build it with I'll take that as 1085 01:30:16,77 --> 01:30:21,99 a fair answer OK Thank you. Anything else and I'm done Yep and. 1086 01:30:23,93 --> 01:30:27,34 If not all entertain a motion to adjourn and make 1087 01:30:27,35 --> 01:30:31,00 a motion to adjourn. Because we need 1088 01:30:31,01 --> 01:30:36,99 a second. OK. Thank you very much.