1 00:00:13,21 --> 00:00:18,59 I would like to call to order planning and zoning meeting March seventeenth two 2 00:00:18,60 --> 00:00:20,55 thousand and fourteen this is 3 00:00:20,56 --> 00:00:27,03 a regular meeting and first order of business is to have Brokaw. Is proud to hear. 4 00:00:28,19 --> 00:00:34,53 Mr Parker here Mr Carr here. Mr Savva here. 5 00:00:36,99 --> 00:00:43,75 Here. Here. Here came in right 6 00:00:43,97 --> 00:00:49,98 here OK now we're going to have the quad stage additional announcements where new 7 00:00:49,99 --> 00:00:56,96 speakers anybody who's going to speak this evening has to take this or. You know 8 00:00:56,97 --> 00:01:02,97 turn this over to our attorney Mr Daniels. Thank you Mr Chairman the three items on 9 00:01:02,98 --> 00:01:06,62 the agenda tonight are quasar just let nature adequate is that just 10 00:01:06,63 --> 00:01:09,55 a proceeding this board actually quasars judicial rather than 11 00:01:09,56 --> 00:01:11,20 a legislative capacity at such 12 00:01:11,21 --> 00:01:13,100 a hearing is not this board's function to make law but rather to apply 13 00:01:14,01 --> 00:01:18,15 a lot of the art that has already been established in the quiz additional hearing 14 00:01:18,16 --> 00:01:21,05 the board is required by law to make findings of fact based upon the evidence 15 00:01:21,06 --> 00:01:24,36 presented at the hearing and apply those findings of fact to previously established 16 00:01:24,37 --> 00:01:27,61 criteria contained in the code of ordinances in order to make 17 00:01:27,62 --> 00:01:32,49 a legal decision regarding the application before it scuse me the board may only 18 00:01:32,50 --> 00:01:35,56 consider evidence at this hearing that the law considers competent substantial and 19 00:01:35,57 --> 00:01:39,72 relevant to the issues if that evidence demonstrates that the applicant has met the 20 00:01:39,73 --> 00:01:44,05 criteria established in the code then the board is required by law to find in favor 21 00:01:44,06 --> 00:01:48,38 of the applicant by that same token if that evidence demonstrates that the 22 00:01:48,39 --> 00:01:51,59 applicant has failed to meet the criteria stablish in the code of ordinances then 23 00:01:51,60 --> 00:01:55,24 the board is required by law to recommend against the applicant there is an 24 00:01:55,25 --> 00:01:58,93 established procedure which we follow this hearing all witnesses muscular testimony 25 00:01:58,94 --> 00:02:02,83 under oath all persons testifying at this hearing must give their name and address 26 00:02:02,84 --> 00:02:06,44 for the record all testimony and questioning at this hearing must address matters 27 00:02:06,45 --> 00:02:10,87 that are relevant and material to the issues under consideration. The city staff 28 00:02:10,88 --> 00:02:14,10 will present its testimony and evidence first the applicant will then have an 29 00:02:14,11 --> 00:02:18,08 opportunity to cross-examine the city staff the applicant will then present its 30 00:02:18,09 --> 00:02:22,51 testimony witnesses the city staff will have an opportunity to cross-examine the 31 00:02:22,52 --> 00:02:26,56 applicants witnesses members of the public opposing the application will then be 32 00:02:26,57 --> 00:02:30,96 given an opportunity to present testimony after all members of the public speaking 33 00:02:30,97 --> 00:02:34,81 in opposition to the application have concluded members of the public in support of 34 00:02:34,82 --> 00:02:38,91 the application will have an opportunity to present testimony each member of the 35 00:02:38,92 --> 00:02:42,61 public is limited to four minutes of testimony the applicant will then have an 36 00:02:42,62 --> 00:02:43,31 opportunity to make 37 00:02:43,32 --> 00:02:47,44 a closing argument or summary after which city staff will be given an opportunity 38 00:02:47,45 --> 00:02:51,32 a closing argument or summary following this the board will consider the matter 39 00:02:51,77 --> 00:02:54,99 board members may ask questions of witnesses at this point in the proceedings 40 00:02:55,07 --> 00:02:58,99 emotional made any vote will be taken at this time I would ask the board to 41 00:02:58,100 --> 00:03:02,20 disclose any ex parte communications they've had regarding the three applications 42 00:03:02,21 --> 00:03:08,71 on tonight's agenda. And seeing none. We can move on to the first agenda item 43 00:03:09,09 --> 00:03:12,19 after us when the witnesses Mr Chairman I'm going to ask anyone who's going to 44 00:03:12,20 --> 00:03:13,99 testify to please stand to be sworn. 45 00:03:21,27 --> 00:03:24,22 Do you swear or affirm the testimony that you're about to give in this proceeding 46 00:03:24,23 --> 00:03:30,01 is the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth Thank you Mr Chairman thank you 47 00:03:30,01 --> 00:03:36,69 . They will move on and start with application thirteen dash ninety eight 48 00:03:37,30 --> 00:03:42,86 Mirabelle associates and we'll have the staff report first. Thank you Mr Chairman 49 00:03:42,87 --> 00:03:47,76 this is application thirteen dash to their abilities or she has an annexation 50 00:03:47,77 --> 00:03:52,66 obligation for approximately one acres of property and I think from Pinellas County 51 00:03:52,67 --> 00:03:58,25 in the city of our brains I the same town will also be investing for the future 52 00:03:58,26 --> 00:04:03,03 land uses any. The property is located the southeast corner of North and Ellis 53 00:04:03,04 --> 00:04:07,27 Avenue and Anglo through the east as I said it probably doesn't get three one one 54 00:04:07,28 --> 00:04:09,10 acres of the applicant just 55 00:04:09,41 --> 00:04:12,84 a way of explanation owns some adjacent property it's already in the city of Tarpon 56 00:04:12,85 --> 00:04:17,37 Springs and they are seeking to get all their property into one one jurisdiction 57 00:04:17,41 --> 00:04:17,68 for 58 00:04:17,69 --> 00:04:22,16 a zoning and land use purposes so there's no you don't you get the mike closer Surely 59 00:04:22,42 --> 00:04:26,14 there are no development plans that have been discussed at this point on this is 60 00:04:26,15 --> 00:04:31,88 simply an annexation the property is currently and Pinellas County into the land 61 00:04:31,89 --> 00:04:37,75 use categories of commercial general and on the north peace and preservation on the 62 00:04:37,76 --> 00:04:42,22 south piece those two land uses will remain in place when it's an extend the city 63 00:04:42,23 --> 00:04:48,67 of Tarpon Springs the. Canals county zoning designation on the north face is the C. 64 00:04:48,68 --> 00:04:53,25 One neighborhood commercial and is and the South piece is agriculture 65 00:04:53,26 --> 00:04:57,73 a state we are proposing that when the properties and extend the zoning will be 66 00:04:58,18 --> 00:04:59,51 become G.B. 67 00:04:59,52 --> 00:05:03,01 On the northeast general business for the city of Tarpon Springs and since the 68 00:05:03,02 --> 00:05:06,87 South bases and preservation status and really has no development potential we're 69 00:05:07,32 --> 00:05:12,29 recommending it be rezoned to land land conservation Elsie from under review 70 00:05:12,30 --> 00:05:17,14 criteria. The property is contiguous to the existing Tarpon Springs I mean this 71 00:05:17,15 --> 00:05:21,75 bill limits and will reduce the size of the existing enclave and it will not create 72 00:05:21,76 --> 00:05:28,23 an enclave and it is deemed as reasonably compact. And so it is eligible for an 73 00:05:28,24 --> 00:05:34,26 exist in the city of Tarpon Springs. There's absolutely no question upon the bit 74 00:05:34,27 --> 00:05:39,11 about the city's ability to provide public facilities to this problem it's getting 75 00:05:39,39 --> 00:05:43,95 virtually all of its public facilities and services now with the exception of 76 00:05:43,96 --> 00:05:47,90 police and that will be when they annex and they will become under city Tarpon 77 00:05:47,91 --> 00:05:54,83 Springs Police Department as well. As the proposed as 78 00:05:54,83 --> 00:05:58,80 a state of the proposed land use will not change from that has been else county or 79 00:05:58,82 --> 00:06:05,77 main commercial general and preservation. And the home and the city other than 80 00:06:05,78 --> 00:06:09,93 property is within the city of Tarpon Springs define an exception planning area. 81 00:06:12,27 --> 00:06:16,26 You have all the technical review committee comments in your back up and anything 82 00:06:16,27 --> 00:06:22,48 that was there has been addressed. Since we advertise this we've had three 83 00:06:23,02 --> 00:06:27,95 inquiries verbal you know either walk ins or on the phone from adjoining property 84 00:06:27,96 --> 00:06:34,69 owners of the live in the. Town homes adjoining just want to know what it was they 85 00:06:34,70 --> 00:06:38,89 saw the IT saw the part in the yellow sign up and inquired as to what they were 86 00:06:38,90 --> 00:06:41,40 doing essentially did not express in 87 00:06:41,41 --> 00:06:46,58 a opposition or support for they for the application of the staff recommendation is 88 00:06:46,59 --> 00:06:47,66 as follows to approve 89 00:06:47,67 --> 00:06:50,73 a request for an exception which will be orders two thousand and fourteen dash zero 90 00:06:50,74 --> 00:06:54,74 four go through the application of the future land use designation of commercial 91 00:06:54,75 --> 00:07:00,37 general in the Northeast and the preservation on the Tarpon Springs for your land 92 00:07:00,38 --> 00:07:03,54 use map there will be orders two thousand and fourteen dash zero five and two 93 00:07:03,55 --> 00:07:08,37 approved providing for the general business zoning designation on the north face 94 00:07:08,87 --> 00:07:13,86 and land conservations only districts on the southeast on the official zoning map 95 00:07:13,87 --> 00:07:16,61 of the city of Tarpon Springs and I will be organise two thousand and fourteen dash 96 00:07:16,62 --> 00:07:20,09 zero three and I'll be happy to answer any questions at the appropriate time to 97 00:07:20,10 --> 00:07:26,59 Harry thank you OK thanks for your report. And we'll start your machine I know you 98 00:07:26,60 --> 00:07:31,96 have any questions for your staff no questions at this time Mr several groups Human 99 00:07:32,20 --> 00:07:39,20 no questions mistress. When I can you tell me if this an explanation has 100 00:07:39,21 --> 00:07:40,13 anything to do with 101 00:07:40,14 --> 00:07:46,01 a change of venue your transferable development rights not to my knowledge. And the 102 00:07:46,01 --> 00:07:52,45 other question I had was the. The street the goes just to the north of the property 103 00:07:52,45 --> 00:07:57,60 . Is that a public right of way or is that private street it's 104 00:07:57,61 --> 00:08:01,87 a public right of way and it is essentially East anklet road OK because it's sure 105 00:08:01,88 --> 00:08:07,10 on that it looks pretty narrow I just want to miss the spikes because it's way yeah 106 00:08:07,31 --> 00:08:11,87 it's normal until it gets in and it chokes down to this not exactly sure what the 107 00:08:11,88 --> 00:08:17,96 origin of that is but that is right of way OK I'll say it's publicly planted land 108 00:08:17,97 --> 00:08:21,36 it's not it may not be it's obviously not sufficient for right of way to go all the 109 00:08:21,37 --> 00:08:26,37 way through as it's planted OK because that was one of my concerns of that's 110 00:08:26,38 --> 00:08:30,81 appalled by the way if there's any development on the parcel if if that road 111 00:08:30,82 --> 00:08:32,96 doesn't meet the standards and it's 112 00:08:32,97 --> 00:08:38,63 a public road money that should be encouraging the developer encouraged to bring it 113 00:08:38,64 --> 00:08:42,99 up to standards at such time that it would be the death parcel would be developed 114 00:08:43,00 --> 00:08:46,60 we would look at the existing conditions of that road that wasn't really required 115 00:08:46,61 --> 00:08:50,28 to be brought up to standards when the townhomes one end but we certainly would 116 00:08:50,29 --> 00:08:54,87 look at that again as part of any development it would come in. No further 117 00:08:54,88 --> 00:08:58,40 questions Mr Chairman Mr Couper. I had 118 00:08:58,41 --> 00:09:02,98 a question about the Road Tube That's been answered thanks. Mr Jones who says you 119 00:09:02,99 --> 00:09:09,63 know questions Mr Parker Yes no question. Miss Broadus. Mr 120 00:09:09,64 --> 00:09:13,86 VINSON had the one question I was concerned about answered but this is been 121 00:09:13,87 --> 00:09:19,83 a long time coming to an excess piece of property to make it. Compatible with what 122 00:09:19,84 --> 00:09:25,27 we have in the land use here in the city and I urge the board to vote it to accept 123 00:09:25,28 --> 00:09:32,21 it unanimously Thank you. Any other questions the STAFF OK for 124 00:09:32,22 --> 00:09:36,66 now we'll hear from the applicant which camp you like turn give us your name and 125 00:09:36,67 --> 00:09:40,66 address. You have ten minutes. 126 00:09:47,64 --> 00:09:51,57 Good evening my name is Joe called the like us my brother and I are air 127 00:09:51,58 --> 00:09:56,66 representing our family. We're the owners of OH THANK Liberty Plaza the middle east 128 00:09:56,67 --> 00:10:03,29 the north and this property in question. At this point you know. As part of said 129 00:10:03,43 --> 00:10:06,52 you know I think it's a long time coming We've on this property for a long time as 130 00:10:06,53 --> 00:10:11,77 a family and we're trying to consolidate it all within the city of Tarpon Springs 131 00:10:12,11 --> 00:10:18,49 and ultimately develop robbery. So I've got nine minutes and thirty seconds left. 132 00:10:22,03 --> 00:10:27,86 OK we'll start with questions of the applicant with the several new questions thank 133 00:10:27,87 --> 00:10:33,74 you Mr overlooks your many questions no questions at this ranch no questions like 134 00:10:33,75 --> 00:10:39,86 Mr Karr was there and she Genesis no questions of course yes no questions and 135 00:10:39,91 --> 00:10:43,97 produce thank you for finally coming with this piece because it's like an orphan 136 00:10:43,98 --> 00:10:48,53 out there saying hey I think like so all these years it's coming. 137 00:10:51,13 --> 00:10:52,30 OK You just have 138 00:10:52,31 --> 00:10:58,76 a seat right there in case there's any questions from the audience OK at this time 139 00:10:58,77 --> 00:11:03,11 I would like to ask Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak against 140 00:11:03,12 --> 00:11:08,87 this an exception. Is there anyone who wants speak for 141 00:11:12,16 --> 00:11:15,55 saying none of my clothes in public portion of the meeting and entertain 142 00:11:15,56 --> 00:11:18,94 a motion for acceptance. I make 143 00:11:18,95 --> 00:11:22,81 a motion that we approve the an exaggeration of the three point one acres on the 144 00:11:22,82 --> 00:11:29,31 southeast corner of North Dallas Avenue and in quite well east second motion 145 00:11:29,91 --> 00:11:30,74 has been made there's 146 00:11:30,75 --> 00:11:36,20 a second discussion do we need to have in the motion I'm directing as I guess the 147 00:11:36,21 --> 00:11:40,12 city trying to do we need to have in the motion the zoning that's going to be 148 00:11:40,13 --> 00:11:44,23 applied to this is this a one stop or two has to operate now you'll be 149 00:11:44,24 --> 00:11:47,73 a pretty it in your motion be approvingly recommendation as it's been adopted in 150 00:11:47,74 --> 00:11:54,71 the staff report. Thank you. Any other discussion so call bad we don't 151 00:11:54,72 --> 00:12:01,34 know what the tax increase will be don't know broke up. Mr 152 00:12:01,35 --> 00:12:07,90 Parker Yes Mr Carr Yes Mr Savva Yes 153 00:12:08,93 --> 00:12:09,44 Mr G. 154 00:12:09,45 --> 00:12:16,16 Loses yes insane ARNOLD Yes Mr Vinson Yes Chairman 155 00:12:16,17 --> 00:12:21,84 Francis Yes. Thank you but you have seven minutes left. 156 00:12:23,86 --> 00:12:30,01 Here to see if. The next application is. 157 00:12:31,30 --> 00:12:31,73 Sick. 158 00:12:40,39 --> 00:12:47,26 OK supplication fourteen No six. May have lead That's Geoff report 159 00:12:48,04 --> 00:12:52,59 thank you this is application fourteen dash zero six for property at four hundred 160 00:12:52,59 --> 00:12:57,25 eight Athens street this application is for a conditional use of approval for 161 00:12:57,27 --> 00:13:03,25 a series to C O P on premises consumption of beer wine for this particular location 162 00:13:03,25 --> 00:13:08,31 . This property has been several restaurants in the past including centering 163 00:13:08,32 --> 00:13:12,22 a bread specialities. A cafe 164 00:13:12,23 --> 00:13:16,87 a good spit it's been eating establishment off and on through the years there's 165 00:13:16,88 --> 00:13:17,31 also been 166 00:13:17,32 --> 00:13:21,80 a beer wine at beer and wine license at the south at this particular location in 167 00:13:21,81 --> 00:13:26,39 the past back in one thousand nine hundred nine and two thousand. Under our review 168 00:13:26,40 --> 00:13:33,28 criteria. For approving alcohol licenses you can see the staff report this 169 00:13:33,29 --> 00:13:38,10 after this particular location is not within the distance separation requirements 170 00:13:38,11 --> 00:13:44,13 for. Distance or form churches or schools is complying with that the following 171 00:13:44,14 --> 00:13:49,48 criteria under the are you know we don't find any to speak any negative effects 172 00:13:49,68 --> 00:13:54,36 from this request on surrounding property is this this entire area as has you know 173 00:13:54,91 --> 00:13:59,64 some more on premise consumption for beer and wine throughout throughout the docs 174 00:14:00,46 --> 00:14:05,25 we really don't. See it through the review Gretry we don't dissipate any issues 175 00:14:05,26 --> 00:14:12,15 with. With this additional license. The father this is the property is. 176 00:14:15,58 --> 00:14:16,03 The use is 177 00:14:16,04 --> 00:14:19,63 a prober to the property in question is compatible with existing and planned uses 178 00:14:19,64 --> 00:14:23,16 in the area as well as consistent with the goals objectives imposes a conference 179 00:14:23,17 --> 00:14:27,78 a plan and there are no add there are no adverse impacts expected on environmental 180 00:14:27,79 --> 00:14:33,98 or stored resources. Nor is there any adverse impact expected upon. 181 00:14:35,36 --> 00:14:37,10 Commercial development patterns or the bill 182 00:14:37,11 --> 00:14:43,52 a city of ability of the city to I'm sorry or the ability of the city to provide 183 00:14:43,53 --> 00:14:46,48 public services J.R.C. 184 00:14:46,49 --> 00:14:50,52 Reviewed this on February twenty seventh and did recommend and had no objections to 185 00:14:50,53 --> 00:14:55,44 the request. We've received no public correspondence on this applications and 186 00:14:55,48 --> 00:14:59,92 public notification staff recommendation is to approve the Conditional Use request 187 00:14:59,93 --> 00:15:00,32 to grant 188 00:15:00,33 --> 00:15:04,59 a series to see Opie on premise consumption of beer wine and alcohol license for 189 00:15:04,60 --> 00:15:08,90 four ninety eight Athens street. In the T. Five C. 190 00:15:08,95 --> 00:15:12,39 Zoning district and I'll be happy to answer any questions at the appropriate time 191 00:15:12,40 --> 00:15:18,43 during the hearing thank you thank you Renee Joe machinery three questions no I 192 00:15:18,44 --> 00:15:23,48 don't have any Thank you Mr of openness you know what Mr Ranson this one question 193 00:15:23,49 --> 00:15:29,25 Is this the formally was known as Zorbas at one time so the building no no this is 194 00:15:29,26 --> 00:15:35,19 a street Let's go straight from. The next to John side of the coffee shop there 195 00:15:35,20 --> 00:15:40,08 then OK. Thank you no other questions score I have 196 00:15:40,09 --> 00:15:46,05 a question I saw that I. Like To the south. As 197 00:15:46,06 --> 00:15:47,94 a residential This is 198 00:15:47,95 --> 00:15:52,27 a concern that it's not necessary for this Africa for the beer and wine consumption 199 00:15:52,28 --> 00:15:53,12 but the aspect of 200 00:15:53,13 --> 00:15:57,81 a commercial property being next residential. There's that dumpsters and so on that 201 00:15:57,82 --> 00:15:58,41 come through in 202 00:15:58,42 --> 00:16:01,22 a dump trucks come through the town at like six there in the morning and starts 203 00:16:01,23 --> 00:16:07,44 banging stuff around whether concern for music at night for noise ordinances but we 204 00:16:07,45 --> 00:16:07,91 don't really have 205 00:16:07,92 --> 00:16:12,43 a concern I don't think for. The garbage trucks that come through and services 206 00:16:12,44 --> 00:16:16,27 restaurants I know there is this billion eight o'clock or some time constraint but 207 00:16:16,28 --> 00:16:20,43 I don't think that's really in force. And looking at the residential to be 208 00:16:20,44 --> 00:16:24,05 respectful for them I think that would be something that should be addressed with 209 00:16:24,06 --> 00:16:29,78 Waste Management with our contract and. I would suggest that just putting up it 210 00:16:30,04 --> 00:16:33,21 does have to be an advisory comment if if the board as you know as 211 00:16:33,22 --> 00:16:38,10 a whole is concerned about that we can certainly address that these this whole area 212 00:16:38,29 --> 00:16:44,44 is subject to that particular you know. No way say you know for garbage collection 213 00:16:44,44 --> 00:16:50,77 . So to single out one to one particular property at this point up you know I think 214 00:16:50,78 --> 00:16:54,91 it is probably to look at it as a whole I think it is dreadful exactly it is 215 00:16:54,92 --> 00:16:58,35 a mixed use area so there are expectations that you're just going to have some of 216 00:16:58,36 --> 00:17:05,11 those types of of noise concerns in that area and I mean the questions that she is 217 00:17:05,12 --> 00:17:08,03 you but you know what time what time do they start I mean not 218 00:17:08,04 --> 00:17:13,01 a. Garbage collection goes very early in the morning I get I'm honestly I'm not 219 00:17:14,17 --> 00:17:17,73 sure when they actually collect on the docks I can mail I would and I would have to 220 00:17:18,13 --> 00:17:19,48 do some research and give you 221 00:17:19,49 --> 00:17:22,84 a call back on that but I honestly don't know exactly what time waste management 222 00:17:22,85 --> 00:17:28,05 goes out and collects down there OK if you do that for Mr Carr and. We can do that 223 00:17:28,05 --> 00:17:34,48 . So there's juices no questions is organizations 224 00:17:36,49 --> 00:17:41,36 eleven o'clock is still the limit on the ones right because of the residential area 225 00:17:41,37 --> 00:17:42,38 there it is not 226 00:17:42,39 --> 00:17:46,03 a general thing that can bring the my close or I miss you know I mean let alone the 227 00:17:46,04 --> 00:17:52,01 plug is. When the noise has to stop or go down you know it falls under our general 228 00:17:52,26 --> 00:17:54,83 noise ordinance which is a it's really it's 229 00:17:55,22 --> 00:18:01,62 a nuisance and you know and you have the you know I don't have in front of mail and 230 00:18:01,63 --> 00:18:02,25 L.S.A. 231 00:18:02,26 --> 00:18:06,47 Turning to pull it out I'm not sure but yes there are I think there are stablished 232 00:18:06,48 --> 00:18:10,37 hours in our code about loud maracas behavior and and what constitutes 233 00:18:10,38 --> 00:18:15,21 a nuisance there's not an absolute decibel level it's you know it's 234 00:18:15,22 --> 00:18:18,61 a judgment call on the part of the police if they call but if you give us 235 00:18:18,62 --> 00:18:20,89 a second we'll give you the hours 236 00:18:31,21 --> 00:18:37,36 he used to be eleven here or you know you can really like this noise so 237 00:18:38,71 --> 00:18:45,30 we should all be aware that. It actually is that 238 00:18:46,08 --> 00:18:46,52 I don't see 239 00:18:46,53 --> 00:18:53,30 a time when it's like OK because it may be as offensive that and eleven am as it is 240 00:18:53,31 --> 00:18:57,53 eleven pm So perhaps the code was sent with that sort of somewhat subjective 241 00:18:57,54 --> 00:19:04,49 criteria. And the only other thing I was surprised to see on page 242 00:19:04,50 --> 00:19:09,98 four it mentioned the Unitarian Universalist Church of Tarpon Springs but it didn't 243 00:19:09,99 --> 00:19:12,14 mention St Michael's Shrine which is also 244 00:19:12,15 --> 00:19:18,24 a church in the sense you know that's and that should be mentioned also this is the 245 00:19:18,28 --> 00:19:21,92 thank you for pointing that out it's did yeah it's not typically recognized in our 246 00:19:21,93 --> 00:19:25,96 staff reports as a church I don't read but it is by trying that it is 247 00:19:25,97 --> 00:19:32,69 a shrine church and they have services there thank you thank you it is can to 248 00:19:33,37 --> 00:19:38,05 what we believe had there before us and it is the United Service or your price I 249 00:19:38,06 --> 00:19:42,57 think they have they have something every year yes OK that's 250 00:19:42,58 --> 00:19:49,58 a good point OK Any other questions for staff if not all of us shop with 251 00:19:49,59 --> 00:19:56,40 them to come forward to collect turn. Like they have name and address. That. 252 00:20:08,39 --> 00:20:14,75 Is. What it was like Oh OK Good evening. 253 00:20:15,81 --> 00:20:22,14 I'm just asking you know to get the application excepted. Oh my name is 254 00:20:22,15 --> 00:20:24,07 a really nice day most some young B.F. 255 00:20:24,08 --> 00:20:30,94 Of Mr Me highly These because he was unable to be here tonight and. I know what. 256 00:20:32,13 --> 00:20:37,18 For ninety eight I think St Tarpon Springs. Just give us 257 00:20:37,93 --> 00:20:44,65 a brief brief idea of what you plan to do oh it's an eating and eating 258 00:20:44,66 --> 00:20:50,79 establishment on the VAT and over to sorry chick and charcoal broiled steaks 259 00:20:51,94 --> 00:20:58,84 you know. OK quote from devils to Greek food and right that eating place we got it 260 00:20:59,62 --> 00:21:04,81 questions for the applicant this arrow No QUESTION Thank you Mrs Server Opus your 261 00:21:04,82 --> 00:21:07,80 questions Mr Vincent Are there any plans to heaven 262 00:21:07,81 --> 00:21:14,12 a music playing out of doors no absolutely not no further questions. 263 00:21:15,19 --> 00:21:18,29 Or. No questions as 264 00:21:18,30 --> 00:21:24,76 a part of the question is produce another eating establishment on your dime it will 265 00:21:24,77 --> 00:21:28,98 be good yes OK just have a seat there for 266 00:21:28,99 --> 00:21:33,82 a minute Thank you thank you. Is there anyone who is just speaking against this 267 00:21:33,84 --> 00:21:40,23 application Yes Yes Do you want to speak in the Israeli cation. 268 00:21:42,91 --> 00:21:48,59 OK Come on up and you have to be sworn in first on the stand and I get sworn in by 269 00:21:48,60 --> 00:21:55,55 the bar turning place just stand right there. And raise right hands of place or do 270 00:21:55,56 --> 00:21:58,54 you swear in front of the testifies you're about to get to be hold the truth the 271 00:21:58,55 --> 00:22:05,20 whole truth nothing but the truth Thank you sir OK gov to like turn and give us 272 00:22:05,21 --> 00:22:11,45 your name and address first place and let me caution before I do this that. This 273 00:22:11,46 --> 00:22:14,80 particular part of this hearing is intended for public input on the application not 274 00:22:14,81 --> 00:22:17,80 necessarily question an answer of the board or the city staff. 275 00:22:23,60 --> 00:22:29,34 My name is John Donnelly I live at five thirty four river crest lane for some of 276 00:22:29,35 --> 00:22:35,03 you you'll know it as the. The only modern buildings there are down in that 277 00:22:35,04 --> 00:22:41,98 historic district is to condo townhouses OK so I'm looking 278 00:22:41,99 --> 00:22:48,80 right at it my big concern is I'm looking at this card OK and I 279 00:22:48,81 --> 00:22:50,82 see it covers for now looks like 280 00:22:50,83 --> 00:22:57,79 a cover for ninety eight covers to coffee house next door and the parking lot. My 281 00:22:57,80 --> 00:23:00,94 concern is this and I don't have a problem with another reading 282 00:23:00,95 --> 00:23:05,33 a stab mission and put. You know if it's a liquor license for 283 00:23:05,34 --> 00:23:11,02 a coffee house I'm not going to be happy. And I'll leave it at that. 284 00:23:13,23 --> 00:23:17,43 Because it's just it's just filled with guys down there playing cards 285 00:23:19,74 --> 00:23:26,62 OK OK Thank you sir all right it. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak 286 00:23:26,77 --> 00:23:32,75 against this application is anyone who wishes to speak for the application. 287 00:23:34,70 --> 00:23:40,78 Saying none close a public portion of the meeting and then again 288 00:23:40,79 --> 00:23:44,13 a motion for acceptance I make 289 00:23:44,14 --> 00:23:49,31 a motion that we accept application fourteen dash zero six. As it stands 290 00:23:51,61 --> 00:23:57,71 second motion and second discussion saying on roll call 291 00:23:59,18 --> 00:24:06,11 Mr Parker Yes. Mr Cox Yes Mr Savva I 292 00:24:06,48 --> 00:24:13,46 Yes Mr Geos Yes. Yes. Mr Benson 293 00:24:13,79 --> 00:24:20,77 Yes here yes thank you. We will now move to application 294 00:24:20,78 --> 00:24:25,59 fourteen dash reload indoor shooting range and we will have 295 00:24:25,60 --> 00:24:31,76 a staff report for. A Mr Chairman before I began I was want to go out and pass 296 00:24:31,77 --> 00:24:36,98 these down this is from the applicant that will be relevant later on in the OK 297 00:24:37,48 --> 00:24:44,41 hearing. I would also like to call attention before the staff report 298 00:24:44,42 --> 00:24:51,35 to the word to hand outs that were in front of your vernier chairs. The 299 00:24:51,36 --> 00:24:57,00 one is an assessment by our economic development director of the potential economic 300 00:24:57,01 --> 00:25:01,65 benefit to the of the potential project and then the second is 301 00:25:01,66 --> 00:25:08,07 a set of public not public comments that we've received over the last week to ten 302 00:25:08,08 --> 00:25:14,42 days. As they didn't get out to you sooner so you could digest them. Estrogenic but 303 00:25:14,43 --> 00:25:17,77 the staff report together went on vacation and then they were kind of collecting so 304 00:25:18,48 --> 00:25:18,94 hopefully I have 305 00:25:18,95 --> 00:25:23,11 a chance to read through those as we go through the hearing again this is 306 00:25:23,12 --> 00:25:28,79 application fourteen dash zero eight for reload indoor shooting range the project 307 00:25:29,59 --> 00:25:33,94 broke proposed project is located four thousand and fifty U.S. 308 00:25:33,95 --> 00:25:37,28 Highway nineteen north or forty thousand and fifty U.S. 309 00:25:37,29 --> 00:25:42,88 Highway one thousand north is the site of the old days and and I hop restaurant 310 00:25:43,19 --> 00:25:48,31 property contains four point three nine acres and has zoom highway business with 311 00:25:48,32 --> 00:25:54,05 a land use and commercial limited the prior site was 312 00:25:54,06 --> 00:25:57,54 a contain seventy nine thousand eight hundred ninety square feet as I said that was 313 00:25:57,55 --> 00:26:02,38 the I hop in the days and at property has been vacant for approximately ten years 314 00:26:02,64 --> 00:26:08,15 and is in deteriorating condition the applicant has the property under contract to 315 00:26:08,16 --> 00:26:12,19 demolish the restaurant and the motel and to construct 316 00:26:12,62 --> 00:26:17,31 a fifty seven thousand five hundred thirty three square feet indoor shooting range 317 00:26:17,36 --> 00:26:21,45 as well as two five thousand five hundred square foot flex warehouse buildings that 318 00:26:21,46 --> 00:26:26,45 will be to the rear of the property so that would be between stone heads and the 319 00:26:26,46 --> 00:26:31,54 actual shooting range zoning regulations and of the zoning we classified this as 320 00:26:31,55 --> 00:26:33,18 a commercial recreation use which is 321 00:26:33,19 --> 00:26:39,72 a permitted use in the highway business zoning district. And just for the record 322 00:26:39,73 --> 00:26:40,38 there will be 323 00:26:40,39 --> 00:26:46,42 a. A meeting with Stonehenge on the Hill mobile home park by the applicants that's 324 00:26:46,43 --> 00:26:47,72 their meeting it's not necessarily 325 00:26:47,73 --> 00:26:51,91 a public meeting but that will take place in March they've arranged to meet with 326 00:26:51,92 --> 00:26:55,45 the those residents and discuss the plans with them so that would be prior to the. 327 00:26:57,34 --> 00:27:03,23 Board of Commissioners review an April technical review committee review this and 328 00:27:03,24 --> 00:27:03,69 we did get 329 00:27:03,70 --> 00:27:08,84 a revised set of plans that addressed all of the various comments at that point in 330 00:27:08,85 --> 00:27:14,78 time. They did modify the plans for buffering landscaping. 331 00:27:15,95 --> 00:27:20,61 Some technical work some Scribner's errors on parking you know numbers and things 332 00:27:20,62 --> 00:27:25,46 of that nature to revise plans you did receive did address all this the city the 333 00:27:25,50 --> 00:27:31,16 technical review committee comments under the site plan review criteria. 334 00:27:33,08 --> 00:27:34,99 And as a stated this is 335 00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:38,45 a fifty seven thousand five hundred thirty three square foot indoor shooting range 336 00:27:38,57 --> 00:27:43,23 as well as to five thousand five hundred square foot flex warehouse buildings. The 337 00:27:43,24 --> 00:27:47,96 proposed schedule will be going to construct the indoor shooting range first and 338 00:27:47,97 --> 00:27:51,18 then the flex warehouse buildings will curve within the next three to five years 339 00:27:51,40 --> 00:27:55,87 they are part of the site plan approval application however. All utilities are 340 00:27:55,88 --> 00:27:59,74 available to the site ingress and egress is via want to access point on US Highway 341 00:27:59,75 --> 00:28:04,14 ninety north so they want to be closing an access point they're required to have 342 00:28:04,15 --> 00:28:06,36 one hundred seventy seven off street parking spaces 343 00:28:07,04 --> 00:28:12,13 a hundred seventy three they're providing hundred seventy seven. Landscaping plan 344 00:28:12,14 --> 00:28:16,87 is provided and sheet six it consists of the addition of one hundred six trees 345 00:28:17,19 --> 00:28:22,30 consisting of Laurel Oaks The Hollies live oaks palms red Cedars as well as three 346 00:28:22,31 --> 00:28:22,84 foot in four and 347 00:28:22,85 --> 00:28:28,02 a half foot hedges on the parameters for buffering requirements. You don't need to 348 00:28:28,03 --> 00:28:32,25 update any of the sidewalk requirements those are good there. One of the 349 00:28:32,26 --> 00:28:36,11 environmental applicant has submitted an acoustical analysis that was Pereira 350 00:28:36,12 --> 00:28:41,02 prepared by Fagan acoustic acoustical consultants which demonstrates that there is 351 00:28:41,03 --> 00:28:44,52 no sound from the will the will be no sound from the indoor shooting range that 352 00:28:44,53 --> 00:28:47,69 will travel beyond the property lines essentially my understanding of the 353 00:28:47,70 --> 00:28:51,14 acoustical analysis is those that what you might hear on the outside of the 354 00:28:51,15 --> 00:28:55,15 building will be less than what the ambient noise is from Highway nineteen at any 355 00:28:55,16 --> 00:29:00,53 given point in time. There are no issues with our level of service standards so far 356 00:29:00,54 --> 00:29:06,21 as. Transportation of transportation impacts are concerned this use is actually 357 00:29:06,22 --> 00:29:10,94 a decrease in overall trips gener your proposed trips generated on us compared to 358 00:29:10,95 --> 00:29:16,97 the prior years when it was full on Occupy You know it in actually open. They will 359 00:29:16,98 --> 00:29:21,81 be providing on site drainage and retention and again there are really no issues 360 00:29:21,82 --> 00:29:28,78 with levels of service for this application. In the backup you 361 00:29:28,79 --> 00:29:30,11 will have you'll see 362 00:29:30,45 --> 00:29:35,86 a set of. Fairly detailed you have that you have the site plan as well as some 363 00:29:35,87 --> 00:29:42,20 color renderings what the interior layout is actually proposed to be it will be 364 00:29:43,18 --> 00:29:45,99 several different shooting ranges there will be a retail space will be 365 00:29:46,00 --> 00:29:50,02 a cafe space as well as classroom space I'm sure the applicant will expound more on 366 00:29:50,03 --> 00:29:55,34 about what they are or. Will be providing you also have some exhibits that 367 00:29:55,93 --> 00:29:56,39 demonstrate 368 00:29:56,40 --> 00:30:02,58 a very sophisticated. Ventilation and lead collection system and I think they'll 369 00:30:02,59 --> 00:30:07,61 explain that as well but essentially all the lead gets immediately collected and it 370 00:30:07,62 --> 00:30:10,61 gets recycled and it goes so it's it's 371 00:30:10,62 --> 00:30:17,59 a pretty high tech system. The you also have exhibits for the the construction 372 00:30:17,60 --> 00:30:21,81 assembly with regard to the walls it'll be double wall construction on the exterior 373 00:30:21,81 --> 00:30:28,13 . Which gives it that good you know acoustical property that I'm sure that the 374 00:30:28,40 --> 00:30:32,71 they'll provide more detail on the handout that I provided just now that I handed 375 00:30:32,72 --> 00:30:34,56 out was a. More of 376 00:30:34,57 --> 00:30:41,09 a summary of the findings for of the acoustical analysis. And with 377 00:30:41,18 --> 00:30:47,05 that I think I will stop as I said you know we you know we have to consider this 378 00:30:47,06 --> 00:30:51,18 under the commercial recreation it does meet the land development code requirements 379 00:30:51,45 --> 00:30:53,30 as is presented as well as the conference 380 00:30:53,31 --> 00:30:57,98 a plan and the staff recommendation is to approve the site plan for the fifty seven 381 00:30:57,99 --> 00:31:01,11 thousand five hundred thirty three square foot and or shooting range and two 382 00:31:01,12 --> 00:31:05,40 thousand five hundred square foot flex warehouse buildings subject to the following 383 00:31:05,41 --> 00:31:08,58 Number one the developers responsible for acquiring all their jurisdictional 384 00:31:08,59 --> 00:31:12,79 permits and for meeting the minimum criteria of the land development food number 385 00:31:12,80 --> 00:31:16,43 two construction plan signed sealed by registered engineer license to practice in 386 00:31:16,44 --> 00:31:20,06 the state of Florida must be submitted within one year of the data final site plan 387 00:31:20,07 --> 00:31:24,11 approval number three the site plan shall expire within one year of the effective 388 00:31:24,12 --> 00:31:27,46 date unless an application has been filed for building permit 389 00:31:27,47 --> 00:31:30,99 a number for the architecture of the building must be substantially similar to the 390 00:31:31,00 --> 00:31:35,57 elevation slash rendering submitted by the applicant and then I do want to call 391 00:31:35,58 --> 00:31:39,42 attention again to the correspondence that there was on your desk in front of you 392 00:31:39,43 --> 00:31:46,28 there were six letter I seven pieces of correspondence and which all were in 393 00:31:46,29 --> 00:31:52,78 opposition to the proposed range. Somewhere from organizations and some were from 394 00:31:52,79 --> 00:31:59,44 individuals Thank you. OK. Staff Report now will entertain 395 00:31:59,45 --> 00:32:06,20 questions for staff sort of machinery no questions right now thank you Mr several 396 00:32:06,21 --> 00:32:10,42 posts questions for staff you know my questions have been answered in the 397 00:32:10,43 --> 00:32:15,78 information. Mr French no questions of this time thank you Mr. 398 00:32:18,29 --> 00:32:24,45 Gun ranges there like an annual. Check and specs and to make sure like the back 399 00:32:24,46 --> 00:32:28,14 walls have been compromise for like the use I'm not really familiar with going to 400 00:32:28,15 --> 00:32:33,20 ranges I work inside but I would be concerned I would have for the building people 401 00:32:33,21 --> 00:32:35,35 parking behind it and access or so I don't that's 402 00:32:35,36 --> 00:32:38,65 a question for you with Apple and I'm going to let the Apple get answer that 403 00:32:38,66 --> 00:32:44,28 a department Tom is I'm not an expert on Gunner expert on gun ranges either OK also 404 00:32:44,95 --> 00:32:48,07 looking to landscape class all it's like Laura being planted and 405 00:32:48,08 --> 00:32:53,34 a parking lot I can tell the difference between that and I think Red Cedar. I know 406 00:32:53,35 --> 00:32:57,39 the difference between the plants but. Is it true that you would want to plant 407 00:32:57,40 --> 00:33:01,65 a parking lot and I was unsure if the arbors was able to view or view the landscape 408 00:33:01,66 --> 00:33:07,90 plan or if that happened at all it was reviewed. Getting some concerns expressed 409 00:33:07,91 --> 00:33:09,07 but we can make 410 00:33:09,08 --> 00:33:12,45 a note that to have that looked at again with make sure that it's covered by the 411 00:33:12,46 --> 00:33:16,88 arbor some but it will find another force and what parking lot tree doesn't concern 412 00:33:16,89 --> 00:33:20,43 for my mic is the way those trees grow that now there Gore is on it with roots and 413 00:33:20,44 --> 00:33:23,71 they're going to disrupt Parkland pretty much destroy it so we'll take 414 00:33:23,72 --> 00:33:30,47 a second look at that OK. That's all the 415 00:33:30,48 --> 00:33:37,44 question ever had Mr JENNER. My only question is. Is 416 00:33:37,45 --> 00:33:42,99 the city or the state somebody responsible for monitoring whether this building is 417 00:33:43,00 --> 00:33:49,84 indeed generating lead contamination. I wanted to let the applicant out answer 418 00:33:49,85 --> 00:33:55,28 that again we don't have any you know the city doesn't enforce state you know level 419 00:33:55,29 --> 00:33:58,91 regulations is like we can't you know we can require now that they have 420 00:33:59,52 --> 00:34:02,91 a Swiss my permit in hand when they come in for construction so we're limited in 421 00:34:02,92 --> 00:34:06,80 what we can do off all of the applicant drops address that and when at that that 422 00:34:06,81 --> 00:34:13,17 point time OK. I'm sorry Mr Parker I don't have any questions for her 423 00:34:13,62 --> 00:34:18,60 thank you and then his friends. I could wait 424 00:34:18,67 --> 00:34:25,17 a minute it's time to make the motion but I made several calls around about the 425 00:34:25,18 --> 00:34:27,67 company to bring in my close friend 426 00:34:28,43 --> 00:34:35,09 a gun organizations and gun businesses and the this group enjoys the 427 00:34:35,10 --> 00:34:41,81 highest reputation. Within the United States and the state of Florida for what they 428 00:34:41,82 --> 00:34:48,72 produce at communities and in cities they also give education. On gun use 429 00:34:49,34 --> 00:34:54,87 and education on the proper handling of guns they they were very highly. 430 00:34:56,17 --> 00:35:02,50 Exonerated for this and like I said they enjoy and very fine reputation in their 431 00:35:02,51 --> 00:35:07,67 business more so than any other if you call around even the National Rifle 432 00:35:07,68 --> 00:35:11,26 Association will tell you that I think 433 00:35:11,27 --> 00:35:13,95 a lot let me remind the board before get too far down the road here that your 434 00:35:13,96 --> 00:35:18,00 standards here for cycling review are limited by your code and section two ten does 435 00:35:18,01 --> 00:35:21,64 zero for whether the site plan route application meets all the 436 00:35:21,65 --> 00:35:25,56 a political prisoner the code the city's comprehensive plan its concurrency 437 00:35:25,57 --> 00:35:26,85 management system and 438 00:35:27,08 --> 00:35:32,08 a pluggable building codes as of right this moment right thank you very much. What 439 00:35:32,09 --> 00:35:37,72 you just said is very important and. We want to limit our questions and responses 440 00:35:38,75 --> 00:35:45,09 to do what we're here to do this evening. OK now it's time to they have the 441 00:35:45,10 --> 00:35:50,15 questions for staff at this time if not I'd like to have the applicant come forward 442 00:35:50,16 --> 00:35:53,20 to the like turn give us your name and address please. 443 00:35:57,83 --> 00:36:02,21 Good evening I just employed with hold of element six thirty Chestnut Street 444 00:36:02,22 --> 00:36:07,12 Clearwater Florida three three seven five six first off like to thank the board for 445 00:36:07,13 --> 00:36:11,62 their time tonight we're very excited about this project as well as MS fence and 446 00:36:11,63 --> 00:36:17,29 for due diligence and thoroughness up to this point. Just briefly want to talk 447 00:36:17,33 --> 00:36:20,59 a little bit about the range and then be more than happy to answer all your 448 00:36:20,60 --> 00:36:21,79 questions and address 449 00:36:22,27 --> 00:36:25,92 a couple of questions you've already had we really look at this range is 450 00:36:25,93 --> 00:36:29,71 accomplishing three things number one it was already mentioned getting rid of 451 00:36:29,72 --> 00:36:36,18 a dilapidated hotel that has probably five pages of police reports that go along 452 00:36:36,19 --> 00:36:42,86 with it everything from homeless people living in it to drug use as well and it's 453 00:36:42,87 --> 00:36:46,31 also currently there ceilings falling down it's it's 454 00:36:46,32 --> 00:36:52,21 a condemned building for the most part so there is no use for it. Not to mention 455 00:36:52,22 --> 00:36:58,36 it's not creating any tax revenue for the city Tarpon Springs right now. The second 456 00:36:58,37 --> 00:37:02,99 part to that is that actual range we want to. Provide 457 00:37:03,00 --> 00:37:08,46 a state of the art building that not only the public can enjoy and practice and be 458 00:37:08,47 --> 00:37:13,84 educated but also law enforcement as well you probably saw in the notes it's got 459 00:37:13,85 --> 00:37:16,92 a full tactical range which was 460 00:37:16,93 --> 00:37:21,40 a rather large expense but that's something that we wanted to do to give law 461 00:37:21,41 --> 00:37:26,06 enforcement the opportunity to train you know that the tarpon police department 462 00:37:26,07 --> 00:37:28,07 will now have a range within 463 00:37:28,08 --> 00:37:33,19 a mile of their police station that we want to partner and make that available for 464 00:37:33,20 --> 00:37:39,03 the police department to go and to go and train. When we started this project we 465 00:37:39,04 --> 00:37:42,08 kind of work backwards by looking at finding 466 00:37:42,09 --> 00:37:46,80 a site that would would work for the size of the range but also making sure that we 467 00:37:46,84 --> 00:37:53,41 built it as safely as possible. We went out in found action target which is the 468 00:37:53,42 --> 00:38:00,33 number one range construction as in the components but what traps in the world they 469 00:38:00,34 --> 00:38:05,14 do about ninety percent of all ranges in the world so we contracted them We also 470 00:38:05,15 --> 00:38:11,51 hired who's with me tonight to our three architecture who are most recently has 471 00:38:11,52 --> 00:38:14,81 done the Pinellas County Sheriff's shooting range on one hundred eighteen thousand 472 00:38:14,82 --> 00:38:20,90 knew they did shooters world in Tampa very well versed in range construction in and 473 00:38:20,91 --> 00:38:25,70 how to keep everyone safe also David Bell with Landmark engineering is here tonight 474 00:38:25,97 --> 00:38:31,14 he was the civil engineer and then Mr David McComas who's the developer with 475 00:38:31,15 --> 00:38:35,23 European equities is here tonight and when we get to the questions we have anything 476 00:38:35,24 --> 00:38:40,12 for them. But then the third thing we want to do with this range is obviously 477 00:38:40,13 --> 00:38:42,51 create a place 478 00:38:42,52 --> 00:38:46,46 a business that's going to create tax revenue for the city and hopefully 479 00:38:46,47 --> 00:38:50,74 a lot of ancillary business that comes to the store around doing business as we 480 00:38:50,75 --> 00:38:51,23 talked to 481 00:38:51,24 --> 00:38:55,95 a couple people in Stonehenge who said that they don't eat they used to walk up 482 00:38:55,96 --> 00:38:56,52 along U.S. 483 00:38:56,53 --> 00:39:00,86 One thousand but now. Because the shape of the building and the people who are are 484 00:39:00,87 --> 00:39:05,36 in the building they don't feel comfortable doing that any longer so hopefully that 485 00:39:05,37 --> 00:39:10,95 will go away. It will be cleaned up and be a good place a business that will be 486 00:39:10,96 --> 00:39:15,12 a destination for people that want to come to Tarpon Springs the only other range 487 00:39:15,13 --> 00:39:19,90 that would even be somewhat comparable to this is is in Tampa which is 488 00:39:19,91 --> 00:39:25,48 a good hour drive away so this will probably poll residents from Pinellas County 489 00:39:26,13 --> 00:39:32,71 Pascoe County as Weil's North Tampa all the Tarpon Springs is our plan. The range 490 00:39:32,72 --> 00:39:37,91 does does have forty five there's forty five total lane seven of them will be one 491 00:39:37,92 --> 00:39:42,13 hundred yard rifle ranges which this will only be about the tenth range in the 492 00:39:42,14 --> 00:39:46,74 country open to the public with one hundred yard ranges they'll be twenty fifteen 493 00:39:46,75 --> 00:39:53,31 yard lanes and. Eighteen twenty five yard lanes which nine of those are the 494 00:39:53,32 --> 00:39:59,93 tactical lanes that I had previously discussed. To answer 495 00:39:59,95 --> 00:40:06,01 a couple of questions with the bullet trap in in the way or down. The steel that's 496 00:40:06,02 --> 00:40:11,61 in the smaller lanes are quarter inch ballistic steel they're good for fifteen 497 00:40:11,62 --> 00:40:17,99 years after fifteen years they come in and replace it. But before you even get past 498 00:40:18,00 --> 00:40:22,62 the ballistic steel behind that we have two layers of tilt wall construction which 499 00:40:22,63 --> 00:40:26,57 are in your documents it's technical review sheet D. 500 00:40:26,71 --> 00:40:27,94 If you want to look at it we also have 501 00:40:27,95 --> 00:40:33,49 a larger one here. Your outside layer concrete is seven and a quarter inch is 502 00:40:33,86 --> 00:40:38,00 a four thousand P.S.-I reinforced concrete you have an air gap with insulation for 503 00:40:38,01 --> 00:40:41,56 sound and then you have the inside layer of concrete five and 504 00:40:41,57 --> 00:40:46,66 a half inches so you'd have to pull it would somehow have to get through quarter 505 00:40:46,67 --> 00:40:48,66 inch ballistic steel through five in 506 00:40:48,67 --> 00:40:52,93 a quarter concrete there were an air gap and then an additional seven and 507 00:40:52,94 --> 00:40:57,60 a quarter inches of concrete it's not it's not going to happen we talked action 508 00:40:57,61 --> 00:40:59,14 targeting like they've never had 509 00:40:59,15 --> 00:41:04,09 a bullet that they've been made aware of believe one of their one of their ranges. 510 00:41:05,87 --> 00:41:07,23 So we don't see this being 511 00:41:07,24 --> 00:41:12,69 a question when we designed the range we took into account obviously the residents 512 00:41:12,70 --> 00:41:18,50 to the north and west and if you're looking at your plan just like speaking the way 513 00:41:18,51 --> 00:41:24,22 the sound in the voice goes we directed the lanes downwind away from the residence 514 00:41:24,56 --> 00:41:28,64 so not only do you have all these sound buffers and walls offers the direction that 515 00:41:28,65 --> 00:41:31,52 a gun would shoot would be away from any houses as well. 516 00:41:37,15 --> 00:41:41,83 You can point to the long range would shoot toward us nineteen in the shorter 517 00:41:41,84 --> 00:41:47,47 ranges would shoot to the south more towards commercial we did provide 518 00:41:47,48 --> 00:41:51,96 a letter from the cue stick or engineer who ran through all types of scenarios when 519 00:41:51,97 --> 00:41:57,90 on site and you will not as Miss Benson said with the ambient noise will not hear 520 00:41:58,79 --> 00:42:02,54 bullets past the property line so we've we've invested 521 00:42:02,92 --> 00:42:06,51 a lot of time energy money we've traveled the country looking at ranges to make 522 00:42:06,52 --> 00:42:11,00 sure we've built something that's a safe is possible that's going to be 523 00:42:11,01 --> 00:42:16,54 a lasting business model that people can enjoy can be can be educated we're going 524 00:42:16,55 --> 00:42:18,70 to offer classes seven days 525 00:42:18,71 --> 00:42:25,63 a week everything from women's classes gun safety classes in them 526 00:42:25,74 --> 00:42:27,06 like we said we hope to partner 527 00:42:27,07 --> 00:42:33,99 a lot with law enforcement as well. I think that's about 528 00:42:34,00 --> 00:42:38,09 it I've been more than happy to answer any questions where we're not asking for 529 00:42:38,10 --> 00:42:44,98 anything special there's no variances everything is is to the land use code and 530 00:42:45,48 --> 00:42:49,45 we just hope that we have your continued support and we'll get this project going 531 00:42:49,80 --> 00:42:54,26 and hopefully the buildings will come down soon right now the the for letting all 532 00:42:54,27 --> 00:42:58,33 the local municipalities train in and police departments fire departments from 533 00:42:58,41 --> 00:43:05,35 Tampa to Tarpon Springs Pinellas County OK if you say 534 00:43:05,36 --> 00:43:05,62 there's 535 00:43:05,63 --> 00:43:12,43 a stay there and start with questions for you missing are all I have no 536 00:43:12,44 --> 00:43:18,97 questions right now thank you Mr is for the openness questions for the applicant 537 00:43:19,05 --> 00:43:23,71 those are everything's pretty much answered for me. It was to rinse very well 538 00:43:23,72 --> 00:43:28,74 addressed thank you thank you. Do you have any plans for 539 00:43:28,75 --> 00:43:35,09 a new education. Working with the youth group such as Boys Scouts and Girl Scouts 540 00:43:35,66 --> 00:43:42,65 Yes sir. We have already looked at there's two. Associations 541 00:43:42,66 --> 00:43:45,60 that we've already signed up for that the N.R.A. 542 00:43:45,77 --> 00:43:51,23 And then also the National Shooting Sports Foundation and they they set 543 00:43:51,24 --> 00:43:55,46 a lot of the guidelines and presidents on the on the classes but there would be 544 00:43:55,93 --> 00:44:00,60 anywhere in the neighborhood from twenty to thirty different classes offered one of 545 00:44:00,61 --> 00:44:04,72 the ones that we already have the listing on is for youth and that could definitely 546 00:44:04,73 --> 00:44:09,22 be tailored to the Boy Scouts or or any youth organization. 547 00:44:13,10 --> 00:44:19,08 For the questions Mr GRIFFIN. Question about thanks for coming on your time and 548 00:44:19,30 --> 00:44:24,28 presenting. Our question about the lead plane out it looks like it's in the western 549 00:44:24,29 --> 00:44:29,19 side of the building I believe it's going to be inside or outside kind of the says 550 00:44:29,20 --> 00:44:33,42 are what you call it that holding things like I do five gallon bucket of some sort 551 00:44:33,64 --> 00:44:35,24 yes I should have touched on that 552 00:44:35,25 --> 00:44:39,67 a little bit part of the action target who manufactures all this it's called The 553 00:44:39,68 --> 00:44:44,45 Lead total containment system so what happens is when someone shoots 554 00:44:44,46 --> 00:44:46,66 a bullet there's a bullet trap with 555 00:44:46,67 --> 00:44:52,16 a little slit there's some follow ups in your hand outs but the bolt goes into that 556 00:44:52,22 --> 00:44:53,49 slit and he goes into 557 00:44:53,50 --> 00:44:59,39 a deceleration chamber slows down it then once it will use its momentum it drops 558 00:44:59,80 --> 00:45:00,24 goes into 559 00:45:00,25 --> 00:45:04,63 a conveyor system that conveyors it goes all the way up and drops it into 560 00:45:04,64 --> 00:45:09,24 a fifty five gallon drum that's contained so what it does is none of the workers 561 00:45:09,25 --> 00:45:14,52 ever have to touch the lead any of the dust goes into five gallon buckets but then 562 00:45:14,53 --> 00:45:16,03 every month a E.P.A. 563 00:45:16,04 --> 00:45:19,83 Certified company that's the governing body who comes in inspects it and certifies 564 00:45:19,84 --> 00:45:24,69 it they come in they remove the five gallon buckets they're sealed the fifty five 565 00:45:24,70 --> 00:45:30,40 gallon drums are carted off new ones are installed and then those those the lead 566 00:45:30,41 --> 00:45:36,72 dust in the lead fragments bullet fragments are them recycled ultimately and to 567 00:45:36,73 --> 00:45:41,72 more bullets one one more thing on that. Is far is E.P.A. 568 00:45:41,73 --> 00:45:46,51 Is the governing body as well as OSHA but what most gun ranges do and what this gun 569 00:45:46,52 --> 00:45:50,44 range will do as well is when a new employees hired they do 570 00:45:50,45 --> 00:45:56,67 a baseline blood analysis that shows where your lead levels at and then they were 571 00:45:56,71 --> 00:45:59,94 done quarterly as well to make sure that there's NEVER WILL NEVER 572 00:45:59,98 --> 00:46:04,95 a rise in the lead levels of any of them ploys also E.P.A. 573 00:46:04,96 --> 00:46:09,26 Can come in at any time on the gun range and demand that the same things that 574 00:46:09,27 --> 00:46:16,10 inspect your your premises as well that. Excuse my ignorance or naive notes 575 00:46:16,11 --> 00:46:22,29 of. Lead and bullets is that is it just in the cartridges that actually discharge 576 00:46:22,30 --> 00:46:28,55 me shoot the gun No it's the the the balls or the fragments that are in the bowl at 577 00:46:28,56 --> 00:46:30,83 that go down range so when you shoot 578 00:46:30,84 --> 00:46:34,67 a gun that's what puts the hole in the the paper target this is an issue then with 579 00:46:34,68 --> 00:46:38,66 air handlers and that aspect with recycling there are no use and there is some type 580 00:46:38,67 --> 00:46:42,03 of blood test that goes on for the employees right know this air runs through 581 00:46:42,77 --> 00:46:48,11 a very high tech to expensive system that actually moves the air the air is blown 582 00:46:48,12 --> 00:46:53,90 from behind you and it moves ten feet per second seventy five feet per minute and 583 00:46:54,54 --> 00:46:56,88 in takes the air from your back so when I was 584 00:46:57,32 --> 00:47:02,94 a pistol rifle discharges you can actually watch the smoke just go down down range 585 00:47:02,95 --> 00:47:07,73 and it goes through that same slit and runs through the air conditioning and all 586 00:47:07,74 --> 00:47:11,40 the help of filters in the different filters the air that's coming out from behind 587 00:47:11,41 --> 00:47:16,26 you is actually cleaner than air just taken from outside OK it's been on one 588 00:47:16,27 --> 00:47:23,22 thousand that's very believable. A. Couple questions we 589 00:47:23,23 --> 00:47:28,41 got this report from the consultants the second paragraph states 590 00:47:28,42 --> 00:47:33,79 a gun noise in ranges is expected to be an audible at the mobile home park located 591 00:47:33,80 --> 00:47:40,59 west on the west side. I guess and the choice of vocabulary is expected so 592 00:47:40,68 --> 00:47:47,16 my question then would be what happens if it's not. I guess that's where you have 593 00:47:47,17 --> 00:47:49,54 an issue is that for the residents of 594 00:47:49,54 --> 00:47:53,07 a mobile home park and then I want to respect the rights of 595 00:47:53,09 --> 00:47:57,42 a property owner where development well respected rights also neighboring every 596 00:47:57,43 --> 00:48:01,57 neighbor so when it says expected I'm just death my concern is what happens when 597 00:48:01,59 --> 00:48:08,12 it's not all right. But it the before that says it's expected to be inaudible 598 00:48:08,58 --> 00:48:12,74 what happens if it is you know we talked about that at all I mean it sounds like 599 00:48:12,75 --> 00:48:12,90 you have 600 00:48:12,91 --> 00:48:17,41 a pretty thick wall to begin what's on not too concerned but it's just you have to 601 00:48:17,42 --> 00:48:21,19 kind of ask both questions when you're up here looking from that side right there 602 00:48:21,23 --> 00:48:22,81 with the with the 603 00:48:23,66 --> 00:48:29,95 a labrat wall system which you won't see in any other gun range around here at 604 00:48:29,96 --> 00:48:36,02 least in the insulations we don't have any reason to expect that it. You would hear 605 00:48:36,03 --> 00:48:42,64 that. I mean it does that the decibel levels that are stated there if you did hear 606 00:48:42,65 --> 00:48:48,38 anything still would fall underneath any up in Ellis County I believe City Tarpon 607 00:48:48,39 --> 00:48:53,39 falls under Pinellas County sound level but it would be below any any decibel level 608 00:48:53,40 --> 00:48:58,87 that panellists County states in their code as long as should reassure that's not 609 00:48:58,88 --> 00:49:05,75 community. Questions they're not really dealing with 610 00:49:05,76 --> 00:49:10,27 the the building itself but again like Miss Benson. It looks like there's Laura 611 00:49:10,28 --> 00:49:14,26 Oaks plan and the bulb outs as one clarification if that's the case or not 612 00:49:17,93 --> 00:49:23,18 it's page we think we could land change on we just went by the city of Tarpon 613 00:49:23,19 --> 00:49:27,77 Springs Yeah I understand that aspect is come it's going to destroy 614 00:49:27,78 --> 00:49:28,81 a parking lot so that's 615 00:49:28,82 --> 00:49:33,35 a concern for you and also being close you're building it's going to the roots are 616 00:49:33,36 --> 00:49:36,01 going to disrupt your buildings foundation and structure to it was 617 00:49:36,02 --> 00:49:39,69 a little you'd want to use like something like a why the. Even 618 00:49:39,70 --> 00:49:42,09 a hall in those types of situations even 619 00:49:42,10 --> 00:49:48,67 a tree. For that also so OK I appreciate it yeah well that's what I you know that I 620 00:49:48,68 --> 00:49:52,09 would we need to address because you're going to end up paying for it down the road 621 00:49:52,10 --> 00:49:58,88 anyways Also I would suggest some type of native. Had you have 622 00:49:58,89 --> 00:50:01,65 a just you know just propose head just on 623 00:50:01,66 --> 00:50:06,02 a description of what type of Bush. The door falter Viburnum is 624 00:50:06,03 --> 00:50:10,84 a good three foot hedge we got from them or does it look gushes I would recommend 625 00:50:10,85 --> 00:50:13,98 using as a hedge because it become an early serve as 626 00:50:13,99 --> 00:50:19,44 a hedge because it become Lady. Just from my experience of the guts from there more 627 00:50:19,45 --> 00:50:19,51 of 628 00:50:19,52 --> 00:50:33,35 a small ornamental tree so I'd suggest avoid the Gazans if you could also OK. Yeah 629 00:50:33,64 --> 00:50:35,42 sure Mr Chairman asked from 630 00:50:35,43 --> 00:50:40,45 a background I've worked landscaping for many years I'm not currently in that role 631 00:50:40,46 --> 00:50:46,61 right now but that's my background so. Are you charging them for this or 632 00:50:46,68 --> 00:50:53,51 yeah. We did also 633 00:50:53,52 --> 00:50:58,88 to plan on heavily buffering you know the residential areas going above and beyond 634 00:50:59,14 --> 00:51:04,77 and then also go for the sound benefits once the future warehouses go up to those 635 00:51:04,78 --> 00:51:10,76 would be an additional. Buffer to that West property line as well yeah and it looks 636 00:51:10,77 --> 00:51:12,94 like you have the red Cedars in there and that's pretty much creates 637 00:51:12,95 --> 00:51:17,11 a green wall itself and you can't see through the sayings and it's 638 00:51:17,12 --> 00:51:22,10 a nice buffer so. Right now I think you answered all the questions I have 639 00:51:22,59 --> 00:51:28,66 Appreciate your time thanks thank you for your landscape knowledge to. Let me ask 640 00:51:28,67 --> 00:51:34,72 you. How was Tarpon Springs selected. For your business. 641 00:51:36,54 --> 00:51:37,73 It's actually 642 00:51:37,81 --> 00:51:43,62 a lot to do with where other gun ranges are if you take in you look at where the 643 00:51:44,05 --> 00:51:48,81 one of the newest ones in Tampa is there's one down on all Martin road there's 644 00:51:49,16 --> 00:51:51,67 a small one up in Port Richey there was 645 00:51:51,68 --> 00:51:57,47 a need for one in this area the size of the property also worked worked perfectly 646 00:51:57,48 --> 00:51:58,40 to you need 647 00:51:58,92 --> 00:52:05,17 a lot of distance or depth on it to be able to use one hundred yard range and 648 00:52:05,77 --> 00:52:11,56 that site that site worked out good and. A lot of the people that will 649 00:52:12,51 --> 00:52:13,09 half have 650 00:52:13,10 --> 00:52:18,44 a part in it are located around this area as well did you do the did you do the 651 00:52:18,45 --> 00:52:25,23 demographics of the population in the area yes they they did run that I don't have 652 00:52:25,24 --> 00:52:30,73 that information with me right now but they did run demographics on their OK and 653 00:52:31,13 --> 00:52:37,76 what distances do you expect people to come from they the National Shooting 654 00:52:37,77 --> 00:52:42,33 Sports Foundation which is the ones that run all the demographics on the area say 655 00:52:42,34 --> 00:52:49,11 that you can pull people from up to an hour away. Ideally people 656 00:52:49,12 --> 00:52:53,55 don't if you talk to some of the residents of Tarpon Now don't like driving to 657 00:52:53,56 --> 00:52:54,90 Tampa to go to 658 00:52:54,91 --> 00:53:01,49 a gun range. But I mean generally probably thirty forty 659 00:53:01,49 --> 00:53:07,72 minutes. And. What's going to be the the highest power rifle 660 00:53:08,21 --> 00:53:14,71 that is going to be used on the hundred yard range G.'s are all tested three only. 661 00:53:19,93 --> 00:53:24,48 Fifty caliber or three zero eight rifle is what the range that figure. 662 00:53:27,29 --> 00:53:30,39 Was devil's my next question that's it's really 663 00:53:30,40 --> 00:53:36,90 a very heavy round. Well that get through the first wall. I mean 664 00:53:37,59 --> 00:53:41,91 that will that will knock a horse down or probably go half way through 665 00:53:41,92 --> 00:53:48,46 a tank Well that that's what they want somebody to carry Charulata and that's what 666 00:53:48,47 --> 00:53:53,51 the steel in the systems are rated for that's what they've been proven for for 667 00:53:53,80 --> 00:53:57,88 years and years and years to handle OK so we'll stop 668 00:53:57,89 --> 00:54:04,51 a Figure out of or yes yes OK And and so so will they have all the ballistic 669 00:54:04,52 --> 00:54:10,09 glass if you look at the building the entire building as this concrete construction 670 00:54:10,55 --> 00:54:16,23 all it cannot leave this building OK and the E.P.A. 671 00:54:16,24 --> 00:54:23,15 Report you said that's every month no every quarter OK Every 672 00:54:23,16 --> 00:54:26,90 day order they're allowed to come whenever they want and right right back to gun 673 00:54:26,91 --> 00:54:33,76 range right now while the city get that copy of that report I cannot I cannot 674 00:54:33,77 --> 00:54:36,97 tell you that I don't know if they. Last from 675 00:54:36,98 --> 00:54:43,19 a who would be. Responsible for that or is is that a is it 676 00:54:43,20 --> 00:54:47,95 a city function it really is not it's an E.P.A. Function you know E.P.A. 677 00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:50,23 You know if there was a problem I have the E.P.A. 678 00:54:50,24 --> 00:54:55,82 Would shut you down immediately Yeah yeah I know there is no doubt in my mind OK Is 679 00:54:56,27 --> 00:54:59,78 there any mercury in the rounds besides 680 00:54:59,79 --> 00:55:06,74 a lead any any. No No North Korea at all notes are OK 681 00:55:06,78 --> 00:55:13,53 and the air quality So you're saying the fans. The fans are going to drive the 682 00:55:13,54 --> 00:55:20,11 smoke away from the shooter correct the air flow how you would have 683 00:55:20,51 --> 00:55:22,45 air vents in your house right this is 684 00:55:22,46 --> 00:55:27,40 a linear air vent that goes all the way across the back of the shooters back behind 685 00:55:27,41 --> 00:55:29,42 them that is creating 686 00:55:29,43 --> 00:55:35,72 a pressure that takes the smoke from behind them all the way down downrange OK it 687 00:55:35,90 --> 00:55:41,35 is there are negative I know in operating rooms they have negative pressure sets 688 00:55:41,36 --> 00:55:43,52 all they get if it's a negative pressure or it is 689 00:55:43,53 --> 00:55:47,92 a negative pressure you have the air lock before you go into each range double 690 00:55:47,93 --> 00:55:53,52 doors down or opens come in close as before the next door opens OK so it is an 691 00:55:53,98 --> 00:56:00,91 a negative air flow OK. And who evaluates or checks 692 00:56:00,92 --> 00:56:07,50 the the audible decibel is outside of the building they acoustical 693 00:56:07,51 --> 00:56:13,27 engineer will sign off on it if they were gone I know initially but. Let's say 694 00:56:13,28 --> 00:56:18,33 somebody like I mean Mr Carr same question somebody hears something or they say 695 00:56:18,74 --> 00:56:23,43 they start hearing the sayings. Is raising that can be done about it well they 696 00:56:23,44 --> 00:56:28,18 would I'm I'm sure they would call code enforcement and it would it would go to 697 00:56:28,19 --> 00:56:32,71 code enforcement and then it would be addressed OK through that avenue I would 698 00:56:32,72 --> 00:56:37,49 believe that's that would be there's any damage new Yes Well we do in our police do 699 00:56:37,50 --> 00:56:44,11 have the ability to measure it just all levels and OK OK i'm just because you may 700 00:56:44,12 --> 00:56:47,98 have complaints coming in and I just want to know how that was going to be handled 701 00:56:48,67 --> 00:56:55,43 now the warehouses are going to be built when. You want to come up it's big. 702 00:56:57,10 --> 00:57:00,41 It's. That the warehouse we're looking at 703 00:57:00,42 --> 00:57:05,17 a time frame of three to five years OK it's additional storage for the range so 704 00:57:05,18 --> 00:57:11,46 depending on how help popular how busy if we get them we would need need 705 00:57:12,17 --> 00:57:18,74 that additional storage sooner OK One more quick thing on that the 706 00:57:18,75 --> 00:57:25,22 ventilation each range has its own air conditioning system so you have this this 707 00:57:25,23 --> 00:57:30,87 large unit on the roof that the air comes out of the unit comes down the range 708 00:57:30,88 --> 00:57:35,63 pushes down the range comes back up and runs to that unit so the same air that 709 00:57:35,64 --> 00:57:40,72 would feed it like the retail space for instance is different units and what each 710 00:57:40,73 --> 00:57:46,83 range pass OK to each range is not individually marked off or built I mean it's 711 00:57:46,84 --> 00:57:53,14 just it's just open right now they're they're separated they are concrete. All 712 00:57:53,15 --> 00:57:57,19 raise it just don't know all the way to the target correct and what is that 713 00:57:57,20 --> 00:58:03,83 material in those walls the walls down the side are poured solid concrete No no I 714 00:58:03,84 --> 00:58:09,24 mean the was in each eight shooting laying right there they're solid concrete they 715 00:58:09,25 --> 00:58:15,37 are correct. It's part per person Rupa planes per range 716 00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:22,24 OK like that twenty five feet yeah so your group of nine twenty five yard lead OK 717 00:58:22,28 --> 00:58:26,03 that's one group OK where the where the shooter stands you have 718 00:58:26,04 --> 00:58:32,33 a compartment right with you know glad solid ballistic wall that separates OK 719 00:58:33,75 --> 00:58:40,07 OK Mr Genesis. The only question I have left is do you guys have any kind of 720 00:58:40,08 --> 00:58:47,06 average number of how many barrels of lead the facility produces per month. It's 721 00:58:47,66 --> 00:58:53,15 not it's hard it's already pending on capacity correct yeah on average they recycle 722 00:58:53,38 --> 00:58:58,59 from. There there's two different containment areas on this one for the rifle range 723 00:58:58,60 --> 00:59:04,57 one for the. The smaller planes the smaller ones will fill up probably 724 00:59:04,58 --> 00:59:11,23 a fifty five gallon drum monthly only right. And that unless it becomes so busy but 725 00:59:11,24 --> 00:59:14,17 that's what they've told us the average is the rifle range will probably be three 726 00:59:14,18 --> 00:59:16,36 months just because a lot less rounds 727 00:59:16,37 --> 00:59:22,81 a lot less users I got you that's fine. Mr particle 728 00:59:23,61 --> 00:59:28,93 will most of my questions have already been answered I only have one left. What 729 00:59:28,94 --> 00:59:32,87 kind of numbers do you guys into this a paid do in 730 00:59:33,85 --> 00:59:39,23 a typical year is that I'm assuming as big as nineteen is going to be plenty big 731 00:59:39,24 --> 00:59:45,94 enough to handle any incoming traffic right. We don't really have the 732 00:59:45,95 --> 00:59:51,26 exact numbers ideally typically Friday three Sundays you're busy time at 733 00:59:51,27 --> 00:59:56,23 a gun range we wouldn't open till late morning because no one's usually there at 734 00:59:56,24 --> 01:00:02,88 seven to shoot in the morning. But you like to have Friday through Sunday you know 735 01:00:02,89 --> 01:00:04,75 forty five planes you'd like to have 736 01:00:04,79 --> 01:00:07,06 a person on each one of those lanes and then you have 737 01:00:07,07 --> 01:00:13,12 a person waiting. So ideally it's you know ninety people per hour. 738 01:00:14,15 --> 01:00:18,08 Shooting is your goal. As busy. 739 01:00:21,10 --> 01:00:24,33 As really doing question and in the day doing 740 01:00:25,29 --> 01:00:30,24 a study on the traffic flow or yes they did OK and all that. 741 01:00:32,20 --> 01:00:36,68 Yes or their projected traffic numbers are actually expected to generate 742 01:00:36,69 --> 01:00:41,86 a little bit less peak hour traffic as well as twenty four hour traffic than when 743 01:00:41,87 --> 01:00:45,51 the restaurant and the hotel were operation and that's what we use for compares 744 01:00:45,52 --> 01:00:52,46 awsome. Silly question I and everything else was answered this produce I 745 01:00:52,47 --> 01:00:56,46 want to thank you for all the work to choose you have done with the city of Tire 746 01:00:56,50 --> 01:01:01,90 Springs the plain Department has really earned their salary for the year with this 747 01:01:01,91 --> 01:01:05,77 one you are very thorough came across 748 01:01:05,78 --> 01:01:09,85 a very thing I understand that they wanted and Renee I want to congratulate your 749 01:01:09,86 --> 01:01:14,02 department because you all work very very hard. If this is 750 01:01:14,03 --> 01:01:19,20 a true through the commission how long will it be before you open your front doors 751 01:01:19,20 --> 01:01:25,67 . If it is approved tonight and then next month by the city commission that would 752 01:01:25,68 --> 01:01:29,09 go into the permitting process which should put us on 753 01:01:29,10 --> 01:01:32,92 a June first groundbreaking with the site we have about 754 01:01:32,93 --> 01:01:36,88 a month of site work that would need to be done before construction would start in 755 01:01:36,89 --> 01:01:37,50 our interest paid 756 01:01:37,51 --> 01:01:41,43 a goal would be the end of the first quarter of two thousand and fifteen very good 757 01:01:41,43 --> 01:01:46,05 . In our back up it's going to look like what you've given us here this is 758 01:01:46,06 --> 01:01:52,87 beautiful yes that's what the full set of plans have been done done to well I want 759 01:01:52,88 --> 01:01:58,14 to congratulate you on your program here thank you for coming to Tarpon. 760 01:01:59,80 --> 01:02:05,73 There is some opposition from citizens on this board I think it's WAS A realize 761 01:02:05,74 --> 01:02:12,48 what it is and how it really works the fear I'll be gone and I'm looking forward to 762 01:02:12,49 --> 01:02:16,87 you coming to Tarpon Springs thank you I appreciate Yeah and we definitely want to 763 01:02:16,88 --> 01:02:23,20 be good neighbors and so much of it is just educating everyone and we hope to do 764 01:02:23,21 --> 01:02:23,55 that with 765 01:02:23,56 --> 01:02:27,93 a meeting with stone Hinch next week to give them the same program and let them 766 01:02:27,94 --> 01:02:31,98 understand what it's really about here it has very fine residents they're very 767 01:02:32,25 --> 01:02:34,33 knowledgeable and you'll have 768 01:02:34,34 --> 01:02:38,60 a very good meeting with them they're good people to talk to they look forward to 769 01:02:38,61 --> 01:02:40,83 it thank you. Mr Carr has 770 01:02:40,84 --> 01:02:44,78 a question I set it up more questions I meant to ask the lighting the parking lot. 771 01:02:46,34 --> 01:02:48,38 Looks like the West is going to issue because there's 772 01:02:48,39 --> 01:02:52,81 a tension on but than just the north of the there's looks looks like some residents 773 01:02:53,23 --> 01:02:57,39 right there in that area. A concern mine would be just make sure when the lighting 774 01:02:57,40 --> 01:03:01,50 has been jacked up from the parking lot lights on you know flooding another one is 775 01:03:01,51 --> 01:03:01,79 down be 776 01:03:01,80 --> 01:03:07,53 a nuisance of some sort I would think is that the plan and this they're part of the 777 01:03:07,61 --> 01:03:09,48 part of the architectural plans so there's 778 01:03:09,49 --> 01:03:14,95 a photo metric for the whole site that's been done and also the site to the north 779 01:03:15,25 --> 01:03:21,71 is elevated higher than our site will be so you already lose approximately half 780 01:03:21,72 --> 01:03:26,94 your poll height just in the that the difference in the elevations of the two 781 01:03:27,02 --> 01:03:31,48 properties are going to. And the fence it looks like a P.V.C. 782 01:03:31,49 --> 01:03:35,93 Fence is going to run down residential ions as I can be by commercial lines two are 783 01:03:36,83 --> 01:03:38,37 going to run no that's there's currently 784 01:03:38,38 --> 01:03:42,40 a fence already on the West property line chain link fence is that right is that I 785 01:03:42,41 --> 01:03:43,47 know it's a P.V.C. 786 01:03:43,48 --> 01:03:49,19 Didn't you say yes and then will install opaque fence on the north property line as 787 01:03:49,20 --> 01:03:49,48 well as 788 01:03:49,49 --> 01:03:55,11 a landscape buffer there will not. Be anything on the south or obviously that he 789 01:03:55,12 --> 01:03:58,45 sighed because I can run to one thousand or is it just going to stop at the 790 01:03:58,46 --> 01:04:04,24 residential it will stop at the residential. Property corner that you have the 791 01:04:04,25 --> 01:04:08,71 commercial the old waffle house is right that's OK and expense and you have 792 01:04:08,72 --> 01:04:13,24 a tank out front is an actual tankers of the art piece hours it's going to be an 793 01:04:13,25 --> 01:04:20,21 actual NOT non firing. Tank what this tarp and police department use it if they 794 01:04:20,22 --> 01:04:26,94 need it for anything. Thanks but what are your hours and they're 795 01:04:26,95 --> 01:04:32,59 proposing Kenda nine ten am to nine pm seven days correct OK. 796 01:04:35,03 --> 01:04:39,83 Any other questions for the applicant this time from any board member who was just 797 01:04:39,84 --> 01:04:42,51 a robot is one what I had some brief and yeah 798 01:04:43,44 --> 01:04:49,41 a lot of times every once over rating the the rounds are being fired and it's not 799 01:04:49,47 --> 01:04:55,23 a big percentage of the lead that's actually being collected as other forms of. 800 01:04:56,49 --> 01:05:03,21 You know the the rounds it's like brass and brought all that other stuff so yeah 801 01:05:03,22 --> 01:05:04,21 the lead is actually 802 01:05:04,22 --> 01:05:09,75 a small small units part than what you think right in the round it's not as big as 803 01:05:09,76 --> 01:05:16,38 what we were in the brass is recycled as well exactly and is wanted in the. You 804 01:05:16,39 --> 01:05:22,22 know the one last thing I should have touched on earlier is this building we send 805 01:05:22,23 --> 01:05:26,74 it out there's one hundred forty eight different subcontractors and vendors who are 806 01:05:26,75 --> 01:05:31,48 taking part in the bid process for the construction right now and talking with them 807 01:05:31,49 --> 01:05:35,15 the estimated construction jobs this will produce is somewhere between one hundred 808 01:05:35,16 --> 01:05:40,64 fifteen two hundred jobs and they'll be somewhere between forty and forty five 809 01:05:40,88 --> 01:05:45,57 subcontractors contracted to handle all the different scopes at this building 810 01:05:45,58 --> 01:05:50,86 construction it's a very technically advanced building and will take 811 01:05:50,87 --> 01:05:52,38 a lot of people to construct it so it's 812 01:05:52,39 --> 01:05:58,77 a lot of jobs as well for the construction industry OK I want to ask 813 01:05:59,38 --> 01:06:05,98 Stephan when. When can we have this is damaged speak. 814 01:06:07,64 --> 01:06:07,89 She's 815 01:06:07,90 --> 01:06:12,75 a staff member I mean she could. Refer to the city attorney in terms of process she 816 01:06:12,76 --> 01:06:18,25 probably should have spoke when I was speaking but. You know we can we have are now 817 01:06:18,26 --> 01:06:25,11 can we have or. Ever take before you OK Kara did you want to come out 818 01:06:25,12 --> 01:06:32,05 now give us your report plays. I do want to say just there is 819 01:06:32,06 --> 01:06:38,83 for the records of people understand what Islam is about to did that is not frankly 820 01:06:38,84 --> 01:06:42,63 relevant to the disc to the decision making process is more informational than 821 01:06:42,64 --> 01:06:47,87 anything it's not considered relevant to whether or not you would approve or deny 822 01:06:47,88 --> 01:06:52,37 his application tonight thank you I don't really have 823 01:06:52,38 --> 01:06:57,77 a report but just to make some comments from. The development aspect from the city 824 01:06:58,09 --> 01:06:59,67 the city is pleased to see 825 01:07:00,43 --> 01:07:04,88 a dilapidated building that's been sitting there for over ten years vacant to be 826 01:07:05,49 --> 01:07:12,29 revitalized not only for. Taking out the old days in an motel and I hop 827 01:07:12,41 --> 01:07:17,34 but to help to revitalize the entire corridor and to the extent that you've heard 828 01:07:17,35 --> 01:07:24,24 the presentation from reload hopefully that you're. Happy happy with the 829 01:07:24,93 --> 01:07:30,24 presentation that they've made and the safety aspect of the facility it is 830 01:07:30,25 --> 01:07:35,60 a permanent use again from the economic development aspect for looking at. There 831 01:07:35,61 --> 01:07:38,56 are several properties that are like this throughout the city that are either 832 01:07:38,85 --> 01:07:43,50 dilapidated have been sitting vacant for quite some time one of the former nursing 833 01:07:43,51 --> 01:07:46,72 home that really excited passed the referendum just 834 01:07:46,73 --> 01:07:49,97 a week ago that's another big property that's been sitting there that we're going 835 01:07:49,98 --> 01:07:54,79 to revitalize this is another big property and US one thousand which is 836 01:07:54,80 --> 01:07:56,10 a perfect spot for 837 01:07:56,39 --> 01:08:01,40 a facility like this and they've previously told us that the facility should 838 01:08:01,88 --> 01:08:07,53 attract about twenty five to forty permanent jobs. Mr Floyd talked about the 839 01:08:07,54 --> 01:08:09,20 temporary construction jobs which is 840 01:08:09,21 --> 01:08:14,50 a big aspect There's also additional jobs that come from that from the construction 841 01:08:14,51 --> 01:08:19,64 workers who are going to be working there for several months purchasing supplies 842 01:08:19,65 --> 01:08:24,70 and goods from area businesses that will help revitalize the area also suppliers 843 01:08:24,74 --> 01:08:29,57 who will be contracted to provide goods and services for the facility once it opens 844 01:08:29,84 --> 01:08:35,68 so those are our other jobs that will help our employment area and in the region so 845 01:08:35,69 --> 01:08:38,87 we're excited by it these are the types of projects that are good for Tarpon 846 01:08:38,88 --> 01:08:43,75 Springs and will help us with our property tax values I know they don't have an 847 01:08:43,76 --> 01:08:49,17 estimate yet on the final cost of the building we had our development services 848 01:08:49,62 --> 01:08:50,21 director take 849 01:08:50,22 --> 01:08:54,59 a look at the technical aspects of the drawings and things that were brought 850 01:08:54,60 --> 01:08:59,59 forward and we just took a rough guess of the if the building was estimated to be 851 01:08:59,60 --> 01:09:05,56 a value of ten million dollars fifty four thousand dollars in property taxes coming 852 01:09:05,57 --> 01:09:09,85 to the city every year and that's just to Tarpon Springs from our milage right not 853 01:09:10,22 --> 01:09:11,86 countywide So that's 854 01:09:11,87 --> 01:09:16,96 a significant amount of money and something that we're looking forward to the 855 01:09:16,97 --> 01:09:21,11 outside and again as Miss Benson said it's not really germane to your discussion 856 01:09:21,12 --> 01:09:24,91 tonight but I think it's important to point out some of the economic development 857 01:09:24,92 --> 01:09:28,50 aspects of a project like this one. Just do 858 01:09:28,51 --> 01:09:35,23 a murder board if you have any questions questions remember. Anybody have any 859 01:09:35,24 --> 01:09:41,75 questions OK thanks very much Carol you. OK 860 01:09:42,70 --> 01:09:47,74 At this time we like to ask Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak 861 01:09:47,78 --> 01:09:54,07 against this application were this site plan approval process if you've been sworn 862 01:09:54,08 --> 01:10:00,35 in OK come forward statue like turn let us have your name and address please. 863 01:10:09,92 --> 01:10:13,61 My name is Joseph Rainier I live at thirteen ninety six Wellington Street in Tarpon 864 01:10:13,62 --> 01:10:19,03 Springs Florida I got went to school late so I got four minutes to talk so much try 865 01:10:19,04 --> 01:10:22,53 to speak as quickly as possible I noticed that the board that was 866 01:10:22,54 --> 01:10:27,38 a lot of questions asked and they were good questions about this property and the 867 01:10:27,42 --> 01:10:30,47 development that the individuals are going to project on 868 01:10:30,48 --> 01:10:35,12 a property however and beginning to look like a lot of members did not know what 869 01:10:35,13 --> 01:10:41,10 a gun range is or the composition of building one I looked up and did 870 01:10:41,11 --> 01:10:45,87 a study on that was done for an indoor firing range by the Navy Environmental 871 01:10:45,99 --> 01:10:52,38 Health Center it was regarding indoor small range gun range and 872 01:10:53,01 --> 01:10:58,03 the issues that have to be concerned about the lead that's being driven by these 873 01:10:58,04 --> 01:11:03,27 bullets and Yair comments made by Mr. 874 01:11:05,44 --> 01:11:12,32 James down here that it's very small don't believe that for second. He would never 875 01:11:12,33 --> 01:11:15,62 invest the invest a ton of money into 876 01:11:15,63 --> 01:11:21,82 a high tech exhaust system if it was very school. I'm sorry 877 01:11:22,54 --> 01:11:27,92 I'm sorry you can't you can't question I'm not pushing him I know but you can ask 878 01:11:27,93 --> 01:11:31,78 question out of the board and I'm not making this is just you have four minutes to 879 01:11:32,23 --> 01:11:37,78 just let us know how you feel and what you think yes or so what I'm basically 880 01:11:37,79 --> 01:11:41,18 saying to the board before you prove this project or recommend E.P.A. 881 01:11:41,19 --> 01:11:43,85 Study yes there have inspections as he says once 882 01:11:43,86 --> 01:11:45,64 a quarter and I believe you mentioned if you get 883 01:11:45,65 --> 01:11:49,11 a copy of that and he also said that they would shut him down there's 884 01:11:49,12 --> 01:11:52,87 a problem. I think we had better find out before becomes 885 01:11:52,88 --> 01:11:57,12 a problem because it can come a time that our water and our air and as 886 01:11:57,13 --> 01:12:00,79 a community it was around at I understand at the billing that is currently on 887 01:12:00,80 --> 01:12:05,09 a project is run down beaten down and you want to see it come down you want to see 888 01:12:05,10 --> 01:12:10,98 new project go up you want to get the economic. Monies from that project and I can 889 01:12:10,99 --> 01:12:13,66 appreciate that with the city but let's not get 890 01:12:13,67 --> 01:12:16,53 a problem in there that we're going to be sorry we did without doing 891 01:12:16,54 --> 01:12:18,37 a proper studies and I think and E.P.A. 892 01:12:18,38 --> 01:12:24,16 Study would be appropriate as it relates to that lead and this facility second do 893 01:12:24,17 --> 01:12:28,54 you want to bring what ninety five people per hour to arrange your bring in ninety 894 01:12:28,55 --> 01:12:34,93 five people per hour with guns to the city of talking Springs is that something we 895 01:12:34,94 --> 01:12:38,20 want in a city as we all know there's already 896 01:12:38,21 --> 01:12:43,31 a problem with guns and people that are not responsible with them thank you for 897 01:12:43,31 --> 01:12:49,13 your time thank you. There's anyone else who wishes to speak against this 898 01:12:49,15 --> 01:12:56,04 application have you been sworn in. Come on up and let the attorney 899 01:12:56,41 --> 01:13:00,93 swear you and then we'd like to have your name and address please and that 900 01:13:00,97 --> 01:13:05,03 microphone you can remove from that and hold it close your mouse who can hear you 901 01:13:05,04 --> 01:13:09,37 better if you like OK Thank you sir would you raise your hand for me please do you 902 01:13:09,38 --> 01:13:12,07 swear or affirm the testimony about to get in this proceeding is the truth the 903 01:13:12,08 --> 01:13:16,52 whole truth nothing but the truth I do I thank you. My name is Marty Peters I live 904 01:13:16,53 --> 01:13:17,11 at seventeen 905 01:13:17,12 --> 01:13:22,55 o two era jokes court and while I got up here to say that I was opposed to it it 906 01:13:22,56 --> 01:13:26,16 was just really for an opportunity to speak because I'd basically just like some 907 01:13:26,17 --> 01:13:27,27 questions clarified 908 01:13:27,28 --> 01:13:33,58 a little more I was glad to see the Committee asking questions. For the people in 909 01:13:33,59 --> 01:13:40,06 Stonehenge who might not be as old as I am since I'm on Social Security. I just 910 01:13:40,07 --> 01:13:41,70 wanted to check on the sound 911 01:13:41,71 --> 01:13:46,17 a little bit more when you're talking about the deciples are the people in 912 01:13:46,18 --> 01:13:53,15 Stonehenge going to be hearing. All day long are they going to be 913 01:13:53,16 --> 01:13:57,86 hearing something like this that still meets the deciples requirements or is it 914 01:13:57,87 --> 01:14:01,63 going to be something like this there's 915 01:14:01,64 --> 01:14:04,57 a difference there and I think it would be good to get that does 916 01:14:04,58 --> 01:14:05,84 a poll level clarify it 917 01:14:05,85 --> 01:14:12,14 a little and I am hoping that it's solid because it would be nice to have that type 918 01:14:12,15 --> 01:14:18,27 of business in development in Tarpon. Another issue I would like you to ask 919 01:14:18,28 --> 01:14:24,01 a few questions about is is this standard practice to have 920 01:14:24,02 --> 01:14:26,67 a gun range in sort of a right next to 921 01:14:26,68 --> 01:14:32,24 a residential area. In the end it may just be me it's in my kind of kind of vision 922 01:14:32,25 --> 01:14:37,13 I picture gun ranges out in the countryside where it's not around people and dogs 923 01:14:37,14 --> 01:14:41,100 and things but if this is the normal thing I think it would be good for us to know 924 01:14:42,01 --> 01:14:46,80 that too. And lastly I'd like to know 925 01:14:46,81 --> 01:14:52,62 a little bit more about the the air quality there for the the lead that supposedly 926 01:14:52,63 --> 01:14:54,95 is in the air it sounds like you're doing 927 01:14:55,21 --> 01:15:01,17 a lot to try and keep it from causing any contamination. But does it get fended out 928 01:15:01,34 --> 01:15:06,85 so that at some point the air is going to be drifting into Stonehenge the wind 929 01:15:06,91 --> 01:15:09,60 check current change so I know you're trying to drifted in 930 01:15:09,61 --> 01:15:13,69 a different direction but then it's going to go over to some other residential area 931 01:15:13,74 --> 01:15:18,11 because they're all around there so I guess what I would hope the committee would 932 01:15:18,12 --> 01:15:18,92 do would be to ask 933 01:15:18,93 --> 01:15:24,05 a few more questions about that air quality and when all is said and done I hope 934 01:15:24,06 --> 01:15:28,18 all of the answers are positive and the studies get done here so even though I'm 935 01:15:28,19 --> 01:15:33,42 speaking against at this point in time I could also get up and speak for it if all 936 01:15:33,43 --> 01:15:37,60 of these things were answered satisfactorily thank you thank you 937 01:15:40,29 --> 01:15:45,76 is anyone else who issues speak against this application for said plan approval 938 01:15:51,21 --> 01:15:57,21 OK seeing. Anyone here who wishes to speak for this application 939 01:15:59,18 --> 01:16:04,18 if you've been sworn in sir. Please come up to the like turn the attorney of us 940 01:16:04,19 --> 01:16:06,80 where you know segment name and address please 941 01:16:13,79 --> 01:16:17,11 you know sir do you swear or affirm that the testimony about taking this proceeding 942 01:16:17,12 --> 01:16:21,56 is the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth thank you please tell us one of 943 01:16:21,68 --> 01:16:28,07 the four minutes or forty minutes before this can. Mark thank you my name speech 944 01:16:28,08 --> 01:16:28,87 Rufus I was at 945 01:16:28,88 --> 01:16:34,69 a twenty seven seminal Boulevard Tarpon Springs Florida. Several things I want to 946 01:16:34,70 --> 01:16:37,81 do first of all I want to congratulate the agenda of think it was mentioned that 947 01:16:37,82 --> 01:16:43,66 they built the range on hundred eighteenth Avenue and but also in Pinellas Park 948 01:16:43,67 --> 01:16:45,41 same thing I happen to work at 949 01:16:45,42 --> 01:16:50,39 a property Jason to that I'm going to force one off for Pinellas County. I work in 950 01:16:50,40 --> 01:16:55,34 a facility that's. Highly guarded by the E.P.A. The E.P.A. 951 01:16:55,35 --> 01:17:02,10 And homeland security as far as filtration system on. The gun ranges 952 01:17:03,70 --> 01:17:10,61 that we produce emissions from our plant at Solid Waste. That are zero. 953 01:17:12,13 --> 01:17:18,62 Emissions so it's very very possible with today's technology to have zero emissions 954 01:17:18,63 --> 01:17:24,50 and to collect any and all pollutants. The range out there I have to congratulate 955 01:17:24,51 --> 01:17:26,47 him it's an outdoor range and as 956 01:17:26,48 --> 01:17:30,38 a gentleman said earlier that they're going to be hearing the banging I literally 957 01:17:30,39 --> 01:17:34,32 stand at the corner of our property the sheriff's office outdoor range and I hear 958 01:17:34,33 --> 01:17:41,14 tapping the baffling system the noise the main containing system is incredible 959 01:17:41,32 --> 01:17:47,70 my courage to pass by and look at it. The third thing I want to say is that I just 960 01:17:47,71 --> 01:17:49,39 knew that this was going to turn into 961 01:17:49,40 --> 01:17:55,71 a gun thing but the gentleman did say something really important and I appreciate 962 01:17:55,72 --> 01:18:01,20 the last sentence that he said was that do we need any more people with firearms 963 01:18:01,56 --> 01:18:06,55 coming in to start with springs being rich happily softer city Tarpon Springs and 964 01:18:07,46 --> 01:18:11,72 tubs contractor for the United States gun for ten years both retired currently 965 01:18:11,73 --> 01:18:15,48 working for been outstanding I can tell you this if you don't think that there's 966 01:18:15,49 --> 01:18:19,90 guns coming in to Tarpon Springs and you're THAT naive you should go to the range 967 01:18:20,36 --> 01:18:26,96 and if you're going to make common need be educated about it. There's no issue at 968 01:18:26,97 --> 01:18:32,36 all with safety at ranges these are highly trained people I've been with firearms 969 01:18:32,37 --> 01:18:38,77 for. Close to forty years. That 970 01:18:39,06 --> 01:18:42,60 firearms themselves you can sit here and you can come back in ten years it's not 971 01:18:42,61 --> 01:18:47,61 going to jump up and bite you or shoot you put it in the wrong person's hand and 972 01:18:47,62 --> 01:18:53,54 it's going to do harm and I suggest this you wanted to deal with statistics deal 973 01:18:53,55 --> 01:19:00,40 with DUI. If the gun is going to be an issue then maybe the generation by 974 01:19:00,41 --> 01:19:04,09 or so because the cars were dangerous thank you thank you. 975 01:19:09,39 --> 01:19:15,57 Is there anyone else who is for this application if you've been sworn in OK please 976 01:19:15,58 --> 01:19:22,27 come forward. Being assertive swear from the testimony given this proceeding is the 977 01:19:22,28 --> 01:19:28,86 truth the whole truth nothing but the truth Thank you sir. Good evening everyone my 978 01:19:28,87 --> 01:19:35,36 name is good style to he you I live in No one on mine north grows I mean. More than 979 01:19:35,99 --> 01:19:40,83 talk for against the project which I think that Tarpon Springs can use you know the 980 01:19:40,84 --> 01:19:47,17 business I think it's good. I had questions about the tactical range. 981 01:19:48,42 --> 01:19:48,64 Is it 982 01:19:48,65 --> 01:19:54,50 a fair statement that tactical range involves obviously tactical arms correct. 983 01:19:55,99 --> 01:20:02,20 They can and. You can ask the question they were had the opportunity to answer that 984 01:20:02,20 --> 01:20:07,90 . After or after we hear everybody all right that's right but don't all right 985 01:20:07,90 --> 01:20:11,95 there's my understanding time that you do question the applicant OK so my 986 01:20:11,97 --> 01:20:18,15 understanding did there's also tactical rounds would those within the tactical 987 01:20:18,17 --> 01:20:25,10 round type of. Bullets it would be used there any tracer tracing 988 01:20:25,58 --> 01:20:29,37 Browns that would be used in this because my understanding is that these are 989 01:20:29,39 --> 01:20:36,33 coating uranium and that sort of thing just so I don't know that that could be also 990 01:20:36,34 --> 01:20:43,16 another concern for possible pollution. Also you know you guys spoke 991 01:20:43,18 --> 01:20:49,08 about the walls of the facility which you know sound like there are there will be 992 01:20:49,10 --> 01:20:53,04 more than enough for what the facility will be doing but what about the heart of 993 01:20:53,57 --> 01:20:57,64 the roof system of the of the building work with regards to protection against 994 01:20:58,51 --> 01:21:03,35 bullets going through so those were my my main questions that I wanted 995 01:21:03,36 --> 01:21:08,02 a little bit more clarification on and that was OK other than that you know 996 01:21:08,41 --> 01:21:11,57 business is welcome. Thank you. 997 01:21:15,72 --> 01:21:21,32 As there were no sewers to speak for themselves occasion this are coming up in the 998 01:21:21,32 --> 01:21:21,32 . 999 01:21:34,23 --> 01:21:35,49 I want to give you just a second now's 1000 01:21:35,50 --> 01:21:38,26 a good time as any if there's anybody else sitting out there like to come up and 1001 01:21:38,27 --> 01:21:42,18 speak please do so now raise your hand and be sworn we get this done well faster 1002 01:21:43,08 --> 01:21:45,79 All right sir do you swear or affirm the testimony about to give the superseding is 1003 01:21:45,80 --> 01:21:47,100 the truth the whole truth nothing but watch her. 1004 01:21:52,69 --> 01:21:56,05 And my control six one two scenarios I'm the type of Springs Florida three four six 1005 01:21:56,06 --> 01:21:57,54 eight nine I'm speaking on behalf as 1006 01:21:57,55 --> 01:22:02,65 a private citizen my two children back there. For those of you know me one of the 1007 01:22:02,66 --> 01:22:06,68 reasons I am in law enforcement is can my father taught me a very good 1008 01:22:06,93 --> 01:22:11,09 a responsibility on firearms part of that was going to the range I have since 1009 01:22:11,10 --> 01:22:15,80 passed it on my children who have already been to the range on 1010 01:22:15,81 --> 01:22:21,76 a couple times the problem is the distance from our location and the properties 1011 01:22:21,77 --> 01:22:25,02 themselves for indoor ranges there are 1012 01:22:25,03 --> 01:22:28,62 a few around here the question was raised whether or not they are normally in the 1013 01:22:28,63 --> 01:22:32,28 rural area back when we had a lot of rule areas I'm sure they work there's not 1014 01:22:32,29 --> 01:22:36,91 a lot of rural areas left to have gun ranges if you go up to Ridge Road there's 1015 01:22:36,92 --> 01:22:38,44 a small indoor range where you can't shoot 1016 01:22:38,45 --> 01:22:44,42 a rifle and that is indoor on Ridge Road itself just east of one thousand if you go 1017 01:22:44,43 --> 01:22:48,92 down to us one thousand down to Pinellas Park there is an indoor range at the time 1018 01:22:48,93 --> 01:22:53,90 it was built or renewed it was stated they are from what I understand possibly 1019 01:22:53,91 --> 01:22:58,71 allegedly this could be even more State of the art than that one that is also on US 1020 01:22:58,72 --> 01:23:03,33 nineteen. Over in Tampa there is there are other ones as well so one of the things 1021 01:23:03,34 --> 01:23:08,78 I like about this is number one we brought up the development of the city the place 1022 01:23:08,79 --> 01:23:12,61 is an eyesore it's been an eyesore for ten years so it's nice that we're going to 1023 01:23:12,62 --> 01:23:12,83 have 1024 01:23:12,84 --> 01:23:17,01 a nice story number two it's nice that I don't have to drive to go to an indoor range 1025 01:23:17,02 --> 01:23:17,13 with 1026 01:23:17,14 --> 01:23:22,18 a rifle range over thirty so minutes or possibly up to an hour to take my children 1027 01:23:22,19 --> 01:23:28,94 to go. Handle handguns responsibly. I like the concept of being able to 1028 01:23:28,95 --> 01:23:32,91 actually just go around the corner I'm familiar with action target and familiar 1029 01:23:32,92 --> 01:23:38,07 what they did with the Pinellas County outdoor range which is fantastic for law 1030 01:23:38,08 --> 01:23:43,14 enforcement range but this is going to offer something for law enforcement and the 1031 01:23:43,15 --> 01:23:45,74 community and as a father and as 1032 01:23:45,75 --> 01:23:50,20 a citizen I can take my children there I I'm familiar with action target I know 1033 01:23:50,21 --> 01:23:53,66 they've done their research with it I know they've done the research with the lead 1034 01:23:53,87 --> 01:23:57,13 and the. Emptying of it it's not 1035 01:23:57,14 --> 01:24:01,02 a fly by night mom and pop stand coming going to be shooting and just pulling out 1036 01:24:01,03 --> 01:24:01,42 the lead with 1037 01:24:01,43 --> 01:24:07,43 a dustpan this is an action target who is very highly respected in the realm of 1038 01:24:07,44 --> 01:24:10,87 targets where everybody hires them it's expensive but it does 1039 01:24:10,88 --> 01:24:13,88 a job and they have done studies rather than us just putting together and saying 1040 01:24:13,89 --> 01:24:18,49 well let's just go put some studies together action target has done studies and I'm 1041 01:24:18,50 --> 01:24:22,40 sure those those can be reviewed if they haven't already been supplied by that the 1042 01:24:22,41 --> 01:24:27,06 people building this but I'm all for it I love the concept of having this 1043 01:24:27,07 --> 01:24:30,93 commercial property here recreational commercial property here I love being able to 1044 01:24:31,31 --> 01:24:35,52 leave my house in five to ten minutes and go over there and it was brought up for 1045 01:24:35,53 --> 01:24:39,28 about rounds of stuff those have also been studies done action target does this for 1046 01:24:39,29 --> 01:24:43,23 a living that's how they make their money they sell it they install They have 1047 01:24:43,24 --> 01:24:46,43 people come in to build these things so it's again it's not 1048 01:24:46,44 --> 01:24:51,95 a mom and pop fly by night go out back shoot some rounds in a target it's it's 1049 01:24:51,99 --> 01:24:57,15 a lot of thought process and their reputation and their money relies on it that 1050 01:24:57,16 --> 01:25:00,71 being action target as well as the people that are building it so I'm all for it 1051 01:25:00,72 --> 01:25:04,91 because my children will hopefully one day grow up to do good things. 1052 01:25:08,97 --> 01:25:12,84 Thank you they will own guns as well thank you. 1053 01:25:15,74 --> 01:25:22,19 OK. I think we've covered. Both sides of the 1054 01:25:23,06 --> 01:25:29,84 of the application. And I believe that the applicant has ten minutes 1055 01:25:29,85 --> 01:25:31,75 to come up and give 1056 01:25:31,76 --> 01:25:38,54 a rebuttal statement there were some questions about the air quality and. Some 1057 01:25:38,55 --> 01:25:43,54 other things if you could enlighten us and I mean I think you already have but if 1058 01:25:43,55 --> 01:25:49,88 you could reiterate what you do to clean the air in the in the range itself. 1059 01:25:51,62 --> 01:25:57,98 OK yeah I'm not I'm not even going to touch the whole gun control gun no one and 1060 01:25:57,99 --> 01:26:02,68 we're not talking about here we're just talking about the quality right air but as 1061 01:26:02,69 --> 01:26:08,53 as the last gentleman did speak action target is like I said before the worldwide 1062 01:26:08,54 --> 01:26:13,71 leader the worldwide leader in developing these range systems the containment 1063 01:26:13,72 --> 01:26:20,13 systems the lead systems. They've never been shut down they meter exceed military 1064 01:26:20,14 --> 01:26:20,58 E.P.A. 1065 01:26:20,59 --> 01:26:26,77 Standards. I mean what they've they've done everything in their power all their 1066 01:26:26,78 --> 01:26:30,83 research all their homework that's why we went to action target because they 1067 01:26:30,84 --> 01:26:32,51 guarantee it they have they've have 1068 01:26:32,93 --> 01:26:37,76 a proven track record one of the one of the reasons action target in arc three 1069 01:26:37,77 --> 01:26:42,57 architect was brought into Pinellas County as range is because they used to shoot 1070 01:26:42,58 --> 01:26:42,81 into 1071 01:26:42,82 --> 01:26:48,71 a dirt hill and this new range on one hundred eighteenth has the same system that 1072 01:26:48,86 --> 01:26:55,30 collects all the lead in and. You know recycles it now because of their 1073 01:26:55,31 --> 01:26:59,73 concerns. So I mean it goes through a series of 1074 01:26:59,94 --> 01:27:04,84 a filter is it actually cost thirty dollars an hour to run one of these ranges for 1075 01:27:04,85 --> 01:27:09,79 them the ventilation system because of all the filtration all the layers of filters 1076 01:27:09,80 --> 01:27:13,82 that go through the entire system filter that's there and you know their parent 1077 01:27:13,83 --> 01:27:17,48 their paperwork and their reports show that there is actually 1078 01:27:17,92 --> 01:27:23,53 a cleaner when it when it recycles and goes to their system then they are just out 1079 01:27:23,90 --> 01:27:25,28 as it was said earlier along U.S. 1080 01:27:25,29 --> 01:27:32,05 Nineteen. The one other comment about the the roof system also that 1081 01:27:32,06 --> 01:27:33,35 same section D. 1082 01:27:34,01 --> 01:27:40,01 That's in your hand out. Your your walls or concrete your ceiling we have steel 1083 01:27:40,02 --> 01:27:45,58 plate steel truss a steel deck you have a five inch structural steel concrete slab 1084 01:27:45,86 --> 01:27:49,68 a layer of foam and then another layer of three inches of concrete and then you 1085 01:27:49,69 --> 01:27:53,67 also have all the range safety baffles So there's there's not a way for 1086 01:27:53,68 --> 01:27:59,10 a bolt to leave through the walls you know vertically through the ceiling you're 1087 01:27:59,11 --> 01:27:59,84 just not going to have 1088 01:27:59,85 --> 01:28:08,56 a bowl it would leave the range. OK thank you and. I 1089 01:28:08,57 --> 01:28:14,84 can't tell you that chemical makeup of tracer rounds we don't plan on using. Tracer 1090 01:28:14,85 --> 01:28:20,93 rounds it was brought up that some of the chemicals that may come but it's far is 1091 01:28:20,94 --> 01:28:27,16 the tactical range. They would still have to use the same bullets or ammunition 1092 01:28:27,17 --> 01:28:32,97 that the range is rated for really the only difference in the tactical range is you 1093 01:28:32,98 --> 01:28:35,26 have targets that move what they call 1094 01:28:35,27 --> 01:28:39,20 a knife edge move back so that police department can program 1095 01:28:39,21 --> 01:28:44,30 a system so you don't know which one of the targets are going to turn to for their 1096 01:28:44,31 --> 01:28:50,68 response it's not you know they're using some. You know ballistic cutting bullets 1097 01:28:50,69 --> 01:28:55,08 or anything like that it's just the the type of targeting system that's installed 1098 01:28:55,09 --> 01:29:01,07 in the range that makes it tactical pop up targets and so forth would you elaborate 1099 01:29:01,08 --> 01:29:07,79 on that Mr Peters if I may Mr Chairman about the pap you know what he said Now we 1100 01:29:07,80 --> 01:29:09,73 get to and you say you did 1101 01:29:09,74 --> 01:29:13,64 a lab raid on that Freeview slee Maybe you need to do it again if they're not going 1102 01:29:13,65 --> 01:29:19,24 to hear any Yeah I mean you're in Stonehenge you're not going to hear anything I 1103 01:29:19,25 --> 01:29:26,25 mean here you. The. The the sound of the cars is 1104 01:29:26,26 --> 01:29:29,86 going to be louder than anything that would be admitted over that you've got to 1105 01:29:29,87 --> 01:29:35,05 remember to this building in the site plan you're still another you know couple 1106 01:29:35,06 --> 01:29:40,34 hundred feet away before you even get to that mobile home park for them because 1107 01:29:40,45 --> 01:29:46,38 they're like thank you. OK. Thank you 1108 01:29:47,29 --> 01:29:53,65 the staff have any other comics summaries rubato it's. Those are. 1109 01:29:54,96 --> 01:30:00,65 Any any board questions for staff because. Anything. 1110 01:30:02,69 --> 01:30:06,25 Close the public portion of the meeting and entertain 1111 01:30:06,26 --> 01:30:12,70 a motion for this application for the site plan approval. 1112 01:30:16,17 --> 01:30:16,39 Of 1113 01:30:16,51 --> 01:30:25,58 a move to appear that application fourteen away I think in. One 1114 01:30:25,59 --> 01:30:28,55 of the simulations we went through in detail a lot of information there's 1115 01:30:28,56 --> 01:30:32,34 a lot of diligence that was done already for an applicant I think that it 1116 01:30:32,35 --> 01:30:36,75 a great job presenting their answer our questions their interest so. 1117 01:30:40,10 --> 01:30:41,01 Again I would just make 1118 01:30:41,02 --> 01:30:45,65 a strong suggestion about the parking lot and she's with trees. Sounds like 1119 01:30:45,66 --> 01:30:47,89 a meaningless aspect but it could create 1120 01:30:47,90 --> 01:30:54,86 a pretty big damage later on future so I would add that to that also the 1121 01:30:54,87 --> 01:30:59,18 very. Any other you have for you to farm or look at is 1122 01:30:59,19 --> 01:31:04,15 a party emotion Mr Carr Yes. That allowed or not. 1123 01:31:06,41 --> 01:31:10,97 Frankly no. I mean you were trying to make a record you can sort of make 1124 01:31:10,98 --> 01:31:12,90 a recommendation to make 1125 01:31:12,91 --> 01:31:18,44 a recommendation OK then you go ahead and stated clearly then what you recommend 1126 01:31:18,45 --> 01:31:24,99 exactly. On top of what the record on top of what stuff is already done yes simple 1127 01:31:25,00 --> 01:31:29,75 aspect of swapping out the design of ASP trees with aurochs with some type of live 1128 01:31:29,76 --> 01:31:35,47 oak or palm tree that is required by the City native aspects are encouraged. 1129 01:31:36,92 --> 01:31:40,09 Where. We have 1130 01:31:40,09 --> 01:31:46,49 a second and. You did you get that. OK discussion 1131 01:31:48,66 --> 01:31:53,90 I think they've met every week or are meant by the city that they have established 1132 01:31:53,91 --> 01:31:58,24 through our planning and zoning and they've gone above and beyond with working with 1133 01:31:58,25 --> 01:32:05,22 the city and adding more than what the city has asked for. Yes 1134 01:32:05,23 --> 01:32:11,49 sir Mr Vinson like Sergeant trail I'd been shooting ever since I was big enough to 1135 01:32:11,82 --> 01:32:16,32 learn how to handle guns responsibly my dad taught me and I've taught my sons and 1136 01:32:16,33 --> 01:32:17,42 I'm glad that we will have 1137 01:32:17,43 --> 01:32:22,48 a place closer if this gets passed because right now if I want to go shooting I 1138 01:32:22,49 --> 01:32:26,44 have to go all the way down the panellists park and that's quite a you know quite 1139 01:32:26,45 --> 01:32:29,91 a trip to do that and it be nice to have someplace I never saw it on an indoor 1140 01:32:29,92 --> 01:32:35,79 range I've reviewed the site plans and I'm impressed with the lead handling 1141 01:32:36,59 --> 01:32:41,60 protection for the land the lead as well as the ventilation and so I think that's 1142 01:32:42,24 --> 01:32:46,27 in all those concerns as well as the noise that's one of the biggest concerns also 1143 01:32:46,88 --> 01:32:51,49 and I think various much satisfied that it will not be 1144 01:32:51,50 --> 01:32:57,44 a nuisance to the neighbors and so on I hope this plan is approved and hope it goes 1145 01:32:57,45 --> 01:33:04,32 forward Thank you. Anyone else broke off. 1146 01:33:06,01 --> 01:33:11,99 Your part yes Mr. Yes. It's just 1147 01:33:12,82 --> 01:33:18,52 yes we thank you yes. Yes. 1148 01:33:20,38 --> 01:33:26,40 Yes yes yes thank you gentlemen and 1149 01:33:27,18 --> 01:33:30,25 well. Welcome and you have 1150 01:33:30,26 --> 01:33:37,07 a lot of work here. OK the. 1151 01:33:44,79 --> 01:33:51,43 Women and staff comments that this term. Yes 1152 01:33:51,44 --> 01:33:58,44 is will he be back to me I hope he's OK. I just want to add that. 1153 01:34:00,55 --> 01:34:06,82 Somebody said about planning and zoning earning their money. They have more than 1154 01:34:06,91 --> 01:34:12,01 earned their money cents a day they came here and I think it's time to give them 1155 01:34:12,02 --> 01:34:18,76 a rage. Yes that's correct my take and 1156 01:34:19,94 --> 01:34:23,92 OK board comments anymore. Entertain a motion for 1157 01:34:23,93 --> 01:34:29,68 a German some of these I can get. Close.