1 00:02:32,17 --> 00:02:38,09 Because. You. Would like to call the city council meeting to order. 2 00:02:39,80 --> 00:02:46,43 Monday the fourteenth seventy 3 00:02:47,81 --> 00:02:52,64 three days months and. Let's. 4 00:02:57,98 --> 00:02:58,38 Just take 5 00:02:58,39 --> 00:03:10,02 a moment for selling notation please thank 6 00:03:10,03 --> 00:03:15,43 you I would like to as possible. 7 00:03:17,56 --> 00:03:18,14 In the pledge. 8 00:03:46,32 --> 00:03:49,55 She would call her old. President. 9 00:03:54,16 --> 00:03:54,35 Could. 10 00:04:02,17 --> 00:04:07,10 Close. Can some member. 11 00:04:08,98 --> 00:04:13,76 Council member. Council member. And council member. 12 00:04:19,62 --> 00:04:26,33 We have one item ceremonial that we're going to do but I don't see members of here 13 00:04:26,49 --> 00:04:32,91 correct is anyone here from Southern. If not. 14 00:04:34,47 --> 00:04:37,01 Recognize them at the appropriate time but we do have 15 00:04:37,02 --> 00:04:43,29 a proclamation or for congratulating them on winning the state championship in 16 00:04:43,30 --> 00:04:49,69 their class of football. And yes 17 00:04:49,93 --> 00:04:54,93 for. Council. 18 00:04:58,24 --> 00:05:04,76 Good evening I'd like to announce that. Division. 19 00:05:05,93 --> 00:05:12,48 Is sponsoring human rights. Awards event 20 00:05:13,22 --> 00:05:19,49 on Friday evening I think at six o'clock that had. Heritage Center 21 00:05:20,16 --> 00:05:26,95 and I mentioned that I think Alan's one nominees or no more come out. 22 00:05:28,23 --> 00:05:34,57 And pray that I get it. Right nice counsel Mark 23 00:05:35,23 --> 00:05:38,19 first of all Mr Mayor I did see some people come in that might have been the people 24 00:05:38,20 --> 00:05:43,64 you were looking for you know OK this I want to take just 25 00:05:43,65 --> 00:05:48,18 a moment I know I speak for everybody up here in appreciating all of the public 26 00:05:48,19 --> 00:05:53,44 employees city employees who work so hard over the last few days some of them are 27 00:05:53,45 --> 00:05:57,40 obvious public works course the people driving the plows sanding the roads and 28 00:05:57,41 --> 00:06:02,12 they're out working along in the night and we have forty five trucks equipped plows 29 00:06:02,13 --> 00:06:06,69 now I think is the number and they were working and they were out but there were 30 00:06:06,70 --> 00:06:12,56 also other people we know that the police went from car to car all those abandoned 31 00:06:12,57 --> 00:06:18,40 cars to make sure that no one was was trapped in one of them and of course any of 32 00:06:18,41 --> 00:06:22,93 our first responders like fire department worked hard solid waste work all day 33 00:06:22,94 --> 00:06:27,56 Saturday to catch up on on work that they couldn't do during the week and some of 34 00:06:27,57 --> 00:06:32,62 them have second jobs and they were able to commit all but one person but also 35 00:06:32,63 --> 00:06:36,56 there are other services general services you know clear sidewalks does other work 36 00:06:36,60 --> 00:06:41,77 in fleet management are the people behind the scenes when Public Works is out 37 00:06:41,78 --> 00:06:45,90 working twenty four seven fleet management is on the job twenty four seven and 38 00:06:45,91 --> 00:06:50,04 they're the guys that are making sure the people making sure that the trucks are 39 00:06:50,05 --> 00:06:53,60 running continuously so I'm sure I left off 40 00:06:53,61 --> 00:06:57,49 a lot of people who were working hard and for that I apologize but I did want to 41 00:06:57,50 --> 00:07:01,41 make sure that we appreciate all of our hard working boys 42 00:07:03,03 --> 00:07:09,25 Thank you. Again you know the 43 00:07:10,02 --> 00:07:16,16 comet's announcement it's not broken us so. I think 44 00:07:17,15 --> 00:07:23,83 at some juncture we need to look at the policy. They deals with snow employees 45 00:07:24,83 --> 00:07:31,63 coming to work at some point some manager thank you may 46 00:07:31,64 --> 00:07:36,25 recognize the city manager for the argument Thank you Mr Mayor good evening no 47 00:07:36,26 --> 00:07:42,03 priority items likewise city during Thank you Mr Mayor for the mayor and council. 48 00:07:43,11 --> 00:07:46,36 As you know number three roadside solicitation there is 49 00:07:46,40 --> 00:07:49,75 a small revision that we need to make and this relates to 50 00:07:49,76 --> 00:07:54,32 a conversation that came out of the work session related to the zero one way 51 00:07:54,33 --> 00:07:59,43 streets and being able to to solicit in the situation on 52 00:07:59,44 --> 00:08:04,06 a one way street from the driver side as opposed to going around to the passenger 53 00:08:04,07 --> 00:08:08,85 side of the left side of that one way street we are still in the process of making 54 00:08:08,86 --> 00:08:10,33 that adjustment so you've got 55 00:08:10,34 --> 00:08:15,42 a couple of options at your pleasure you can refer item three back to the city 56 00:08:15,43 --> 00:08:20,51 attorney's office and we'll have it back for you for your work session on Thursday 57 00:08:20,73 --> 00:08:25,24 war you can go ahead forward with the item and then we'll have an amendment to the 58 00:08:25,25 --> 00:08:30,78 item for you on Thursday as well regardless this item won't be in effect until 59 00:08:30,79 --> 00:08:35,44 thirty days after it's passed so it's not going to go into effect tonight it will 60 00:08:35,45 --> 00:08:38,79 go into effect essentially next month leave it up to the pleasure of the council 61 00:08:40,67 --> 00:08:45,81 are going to may approach. Mr turning on that note I hear talk with. 62 00:08:49,84 --> 00:08:56,45 The impact on residential areas he said he could not find anything but I did and so 63 00:08:56,46 --> 00:09:03,05 if you could refer back to. Until Thursday I would appreciate it because that like 64 00:09:03,10 --> 00:09:08,54 the council to hear what they are joining Springfield Missouri in terms of 65 00:09:08,84 --> 00:09:15,71 protecting people. Who Live. Close 66 00:09:15,75 --> 00:09:22,66 to. Street or soliciting being intimidated 67 00:09:23,83 --> 00:09:29,53 I'd like to make a motion that would. Do that only kind of intimate commerce from 68 00:09:29,54 --> 00:09:32,95 a council people don't want to find out if there's anyone in the public that come 69 00:09:32,96 --> 00:09:39,52 out specifically put aside because they are like you. Up. 70 00:09:40,79 --> 00:09:45,68 Here died with the intent of home to Thursday but also hear the comments that poked 71 00:09:45,69 --> 00:09:51,79 my head since it came out tonight in any of the comics if not let's recognize the 72 00:09:52,09 --> 00:09:58,45 city clerk for part time now I think Mr Mayor that being the case I will 73 00:09:59,26 --> 00:10:04,89 read each item on the general if it's a concern was denied 74 00:10:04,90 --> 00:10:09,78 a member of the council or asked to have it removed or someone probably would do so 75 00:10:09,79 --> 00:10:16,01 and I speak at the head of the meeting. In the city clerk's office these offices in 76 00:10:16,02 --> 00:10:21,36 items I don't want to prove the city council minutes I came to the county parents 77 00:10:21,37 --> 00:10:27,32 commission appointments I did three open space and drill commission performant 78 00:10:28,61 --> 00:10:29,12 he has to. 79 00:10:41,97 --> 00:10:47,72 Put their own agenda those things happen. OK 80 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:58,58 All right we're back on track now. I want to pull the city council minutes on the 81 00:10:58,60 --> 00:11:03,52 finest Department item to report from December two thousand and thirteen on the 82 00:11:03,53 --> 00:11:09,60 partner manager's office I don't three roadside solicitation. Technology Solutions 83 00:11:09,61 --> 00:11:11,34 department four E.S.R.I. 84 00:11:11,35 --> 00:11:17,38 Software service agreement on the part of transportation item five Crown lease 85 00:11:17,39 --> 00:11:18,68 agreement between. 86 00:11:38,43 --> 00:11:43,79 To report December two thousand and thirteen. This is. 87 00:11:45,62 --> 00:11:49,60 Solicitation and we're here that I am for E.S.R.I. 88 00:11:49,76 --> 00:11:54,54 Software maker service agreement. Five an item that can be found on 89 00:11:54,55 --> 00:12:01,21 a. Bit award for Martin Luther King Jr Parkway and are still traffic signal 90 00:12:01,22 --> 00:12:07,77 installation and communication. Partner 91 00:12:07,78 --> 00:12:14,40 transportation for Section fifty three metropolitan planning program. Eight. 92 00:12:16,50 --> 00:12:22,41 Software in the city of Durham for the redevelopment of the. Metropolitan Planning 93 00:12:22,42 --> 00:12:28,49 Organization website I don't. KNOW IF term water reclamation for assaulting 94 00:12:28,90 --> 00:12:33,05 replacement. Thirteen fourteen lives can be found in 95 00:12:33,06 --> 00:12:39,79 a. Public hearings. Three hundred business I am five ground lease 96 00:12:39,80 --> 00:12:43,86 agreement between. Her and the city of Durham 97 00:12:49,18 --> 00:12:54,43 I want to pull out. I would. Say. 98 00:12:57,00 --> 00:12:59,23 Sorry I was going to move the concern and. 99 00:13:03,83 --> 00:13:07,32 Yes. Less items to me five. 100 00:13:11,18 --> 00:13:17,69 Three. Closer. 101 00:13:21,69 --> 00:13:22,53 So we're now back to. 102 00:13:28,18 --> 00:13:35,09 Solicitation and. Persons that came out to speak on I. Do want to 103 00:13:35,10 --> 00:13:39,30 speak of. Not not just. Young lady. 104 00:13:42,62 --> 00:13:48,61 Do you want it man do you want to be on that I know well we can get 105 00:13:48,62 --> 00:13:51,45 a car to that the French speaking if you come to the podium 106 00:14:04,71 --> 00:14:08,24 if you could just state your name and address please my name is Carolyn shoulder 107 00:14:08,40 --> 00:14:14,04 I'm of the wind but ministry like you three minutes I did not prepare 108 00:14:14,05 --> 00:14:20,33 a statement for today but I would like to remind all of you kind people that 109 00:14:20,73 --> 00:14:24,27 this has been. Established for 110 00:14:24,31 --> 00:14:28,37 a year and there are many folks that are really suffering as 111 00:14:28,38 --> 00:14:35,33 a result of this ordinance we have asked and I argued and prepared and 112 00:14:35,34 --> 00:14:42,22 studied and spent time with the sack subcommittee and prepared an alternative 113 00:14:42,32 --> 00:14:49,24 and you all have worked on. Changing. Adjusting that ordinance 114 00:14:49,25 --> 00:14:55,68 and I'm just really concerned about postponing and postponing it postponing after 115 00:14:55,68 --> 00:14:59,89 a year it would seem that would be able to come to some sort of consensus and be 116 00:14:59,90 --> 00:15:06,06 able to show some mercy to those folks that depend on begging in order for their 117 00:15:06,08 --> 00:15:11,86 sustenance thank you welcome speech 118 00:15:21,20 --> 00:15:28,03 by Mrs Peterson Victoria Peterson and. I understand that there are many 119 00:15:28,08 --> 00:15:29,91 persons in our in our community. 120 00:15:35,43 --> 00:15:41,94 That may live below the poverty level and they use various means of raising their 121 00:15:41,95 --> 00:15:44,47 funds but I have 122 00:15:44,48 --> 00:15:50,20 a real problem about person standing on the corners soliciting money. 123 00:15:51,40 --> 00:15:56,52 And please don't take this to wrong way but I just have to be honest and real one 124 00:15:56,53 --> 00:15:59,91 of the problems that I see for whatever reason that 125 00:15:59,92 --> 00:16:05,74 a lot of this is going on in the black community over by Alston Avenue failed 126 00:16:05,75 --> 00:16:12,70 little street and Roxboro road. I would like to know why is it that we are allowing 127 00:16:12,71 --> 00:16:19,69 so many persons to solicit in one area now I don't get to go all over germs 128 00:16:19,78 --> 00:16:24,91 every day but I do go over run with 129 00:16:24,92 --> 00:16:31,80 a whole self. Self Square way down Fair Vote street what's 130 00:16:31,81 --> 00:16:35,92 that new mall out there. Way out on they have 131 00:16:35,93 --> 00:16:42,31 a street. Over by fifty four. I've been way out there on 132 00:16:42,59 --> 00:16:48,71 going towards north Roxboro I do not see people on the side of the corners begging 133 00:16:48,72 --> 00:16:51,05 for money I see 134 00:16:51,06 --> 00:16:56,05 a lot of these folks in the African-American community and particularly in our 135 00:16:56,06 --> 00:17:02,76 business community over here by fable street and Roxboro road why is it that we 136 00:17:02,77 --> 00:17:04,09 have to have so many of 137 00:17:04,10 --> 00:17:09,33 a matter of fact one Saturday Mr Mayor and City Council members there was so many 138 00:17:09,34 --> 00:17:14,34 of them I actually had to call the police because it was just so many of them out 139 00:17:14,35 --> 00:17:19,69 there begging it's hard enough to get folks to come into the African-American 140 00:17:19,70 --> 00:17:25,66 community to do business with our own people but when you have so many people on 141 00:17:25,67 --> 00:17:30,76 the corners in the same communities business districts and the African-American 142 00:17:30,77 --> 00:17:32,96 community asking for help and 143 00:17:33,15 --> 00:17:39,78 a lot of people will bypass those communities those businesses are being hurt 144 00:17:39,95 --> 00:17:45,81 by the panhandle years and I think before the city gets any more those 145 00:17:48,02 --> 00:17:52,81 solicitation letters out somebody needs to sit down and talk to those individuals 146 00:17:52,85 --> 00:17:58,47 and find out what what is your need what is it that you really need do you need 147 00:17:58,48 --> 00:18:02,91 a job then I think we need to try to help them get employment we have people now 148 00:18:02,92 --> 00:18:09,77 who stand out and beg for their dogs. It doesn't make any sense now I'm not 149 00:18:09,78 --> 00:18:11,60 against them I just have 150 00:18:11,61 --> 00:18:17,82 a concern what I see going on in the African-American business district 151 00:18:18,48 --> 00:18:24,90 Alston Avenue Fayetteville Street and Roxboro road you have so many of them 152 00:18:25,15 --> 00:18:30,22 particularly on the weekends does panhandling mean that we need to try to pull 153 00:18:30,23 --> 00:18:35,39 a stop to so I don't know what the city council can do about that about how many 154 00:18:35,43 --> 00:18:40,87 you have in the area but please consider that thank you Mr Vikings principle 155 00:18:43,18 --> 00:18:50,03 are let's let's move to the item. One pool fine 156 00:18:50,99 --> 00:18:56,73 and what or alike and most racing to explain to me really what is 157 00:18:56,74 --> 00:19:02,71 a parking meter going. On on the lawn I'm sorry what was the question if you as an 158 00:19:03,05 --> 00:19:03,61 American make 159 00:19:04,25 --> 00:19:12,10 a comment on three the one we just don't hear you my quickly. I 160 00:19:12,11 --> 00:19:16,96 just hope also that we will once we get this back on Thursday that we can go ahead 161 00:19:16,97 --> 00:19:20,21 and get this moving because I agree with Carolyn It has been 162 00:19:20,22 --> 00:19:24,04 a long time and I know there raisins there are a lot of good reasons been 163 00:19:24,05 --> 00:19:29,35 a lot of people involved in the conversation and. I mean it involved 164 00:19:29,36 --> 00:19:34,44 a police department it's involved our city attorney's office it's involved 165 00:19:34,45 --> 00:19:38,55 a lot of people and I think we've there's been a lot of work to bring it to 166 00:19:38,64 --> 00:19:45,62 a consensus and I know that pro tem has some concerns and I know the city 167 00:19:45,63 --> 00:19:47,82 attorney's office has a has 168 00:19:47,83 --> 00:19:52,19 a concern but I hope that we can go ahead and whatever the concerns are let's go 169 00:19:52,20 --> 00:19:58,36 ahead and try to address and for thank you Mr Mayor we're going to be approaching. 170 00:20:01,81 --> 00:20:06,99 Carol and stated that we've been working on this over year and the people are still 171 00:20:07,00 --> 00:20:13,25 suffering. What I find so sad is that in one year they have not 172 00:20:13,26 --> 00:20:20,16 moved anywhere well you're out of water just just you might be 173 00:20:20,17 --> 00:20:26,30 sitting we have the see some of the same people out there who are not getting 174 00:20:26,31 --> 00:20:33,14 resources My understanding is there are people who want them to be able to solicit 175 00:20:33,37 --> 00:20:36,92 so it will make them feel better I heard 176 00:20:36,93 --> 00:20:40,11 a woman say it makes me feel good when I can give somebody 177 00:20:40,32 --> 00:20:46,78 a dollar know the guy I want to make sure I want to give somebody some money so I 178 00:20:46,79 --> 00:20:48,27 can feel good about them getting 179 00:20:48,28 --> 00:20:54,39 a couple part about Excuse my grandma you know about us is about trying to 180 00:20:54,40 --> 00:21:01,40 transform the lives of people and I've often wondered how do they do it in Apex I 181 00:21:01,41 --> 00:21:05,33 know that's where you live but you don't have to answer that today but I think it's 182 00:21:05,34 --> 00:21:12,08 sad that we are still unable to in this when there are 183 00:21:12,09 --> 00:21:17,93 other places in this country that are and that's something we'll have to address it 184 00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:23,79 at some point to see what we're doing with my need to just 185 00:21:25,02 --> 00:21:30,65 try something different right. Through something. 186 00:21:32,26 --> 00:21:37,93 Percy. I have some personal concerns about persons advocating for things to happen 187 00:21:37,94 --> 00:21:43,64 and I said it on live and I said it was just another point. I'm going to pass if 188 00:21:43,65 --> 00:21:48,54 the administration will speak to the point about what type of medicine are going to 189 00:21:48,55 --> 00:21:53,07 have been proposed for the parking lot I don't like my street question 190 00:21:57,59 --> 00:22:04,58 that's just directed. I move it will move items raised there are. Three 191 00:22:04,59 --> 00:22:10,34 problems second I'm going to. Close about it that's 192 00:22:10,35 --> 00:22:17,11 a success even. Good evening Mark Aronson Transportation Department. 193 00:22:18,29 --> 00:22:20,39 What you have before yours the ground lease agreement for 194 00:22:20,40 --> 00:22:25,48 a parking lot on one street in an ordinance to actually impose parking fees to park 195 00:22:25,49 --> 00:22:29,60 in that ordinance this was discussed at your work session last Thursday there were 196 00:22:29,61 --> 00:22:33,59 some concerns raised at that time the ordinance that was presented was to be 197 00:22:33,60 --> 00:22:39,68 effective March first with the lease payments to begin at that time charges to park 198 00:22:39,69 --> 00:22:43,31 in the lot to begin at that time there were some questions raised about making 199 00:22:43,32 --> 00:22:48,08 improvements to the lot before we actually began to pay the lease payments and to 200 00:22:48,09 --> 00:22:52,81 begin charging and pursuant to discussions with the land of the property owner 201 00:22:53,65 --> 00:23:00,40 they're willing to delay the commencement of the lease payments to June first 202 00:23:00,44 --> 00:23:05,33 three months the lease would actually be effective March first but payments would 203 00:23:05,34 --> 00:23:11,93 not begin until June first and that's when the ordinance to charge would also 204 00:23:11,94 --> 00:23:15,82 become effective on June first one dollar and I will note I'm not sure of the 205 00:23:15,83 --> 00:23:21,94 ordinance that you have may still refer to March first but it is to be June first 206 00:23:22,19 --> 00:23:24,15 that would that would be the recommendation if there were 207 00:23:24,16 --> 00:23:29,27 a few other concerns that were raised regarding employee parking on possibly on 208 00:23:29,28 --> 00:23:34,86 going street some kind comments regarding alley eight connecting our Delta ninth 209 00:23:34,87 --> 00:23:37,93 Street and then the a grant program for 210 00:23:37,94 --> 00:23:43,24 a nice street business owners those are addressed in the memo and we'll continue to 211 00:23:43,25 --> 00:23:47,86 work with the merchants on employee parking I think work managers could work 212 00:23:47,87 --> 00:23:53,22 continue to work with Duke University on timeline and plan for improvements to 213 00:23:53,23 --> 00:23:59,26 Allie eight and bring forth some recommendations on the grant program at your 214 00:23:59,27 --> 00:24:05,70 meeting in April. Actually pan had the milling done I was just doing what we've 215 00:24:05,71 --> 00:24:09,26 been focused on we we were originally planning to pay for it within the first 216 00:24:09,27 --> 00:24:13,18 twelve months we're still planning to pay for that but they're going to do the work 217 00:24:13,22 --> 00:24:16,30 so I guess the question is is that throughout the contract 218 00:24:16,54 --> 00:24:21,40 a city goes out of contract by the developer contra go to work the developer will 219 00:24:21,41 --> 00:24:26,65 do that so the developers paying for the building of the line milling restrike 220 00:24:27,05 --> 00:24:31,30 striping not to exceed thirty thousand dollars. All right now 221 00:24:31,43 --> 00:24:34,94 a question goes back to what type of meters are we actually going to stall in the 222 00:24:35,05 --> 00:24:39,00 park and this would be a similar to a pay station it's not meters it's 223 00:24:39,01 --> 00:24:44,08 a pay station this cases would be numbered and people would pay in accordance with 224 00:24:44,09 --> 00:24:48,83 the paid space in which their vehicles occupying they can pay by calling. 225 00:24:50,83 --> 00:24:57,09 Currency or credit card and it does have cell phone capability so and I guess I'm 226 00:24:57,10 --> 00:25:01,62 trying to get back to council short comment about people being able to extend their 227 00:25:01,63 --> 00:25:06,80 time extended time by Yes that's that you know the state station will be have that 228 00:25:06,81 --> 00:25:13,15 capability. I don't have any further question that's one clarification on that I'm 229 00:25:13,16 --> 00:25:19,23 glad to see you were able to get the three month free to. Develop to do his work 230 00:25:19,77 --> 00:25:23,24 and before we get in. And attend 231 00:25:23,25 --> 00:25:27,11 a motion on item. You had 232 00:25:27,12 --> 00:25:33,96 a question OK are going to scuttle market Thank you sorry. For I 233 00:25:33,97 --> 00:25:40,03 want to ask in the supplemental now. One of the things that is in the memo is it 234 00:25:40,04 --> 00:25:43,56 says the city will work in one thousand merchants and I want to be certain that 235 00:25:43,57 --> 00:25:47,07 when we're thinking next week merchants we're taking all the merchants in the zone 236 00:25:47,26 --> 00:25:52,08 right Parry Iredale I mean there's you know a lot 237 00:25:52,12 --> 00:25:57,88 a lot of employees OK So that's the first second thing. In one of the things that 238 00:25:58,50 --> 00:26:04,35 Tom Campbell who is one of those merchants asked. Had he listed out several parking 239 00:26:04,36 --> 00:26:09,92 areas over there that he thought might be available when in the memo when it says 240 00:26:10,47 --> 00:26:14,64 that you work with ninety merchants on ways to address employee parking concerns 241 00:26:14,92 --> 00:26:20,11 assume that those potential parking areas will be on the table at the time was 242 00:26:20,12 --> 00:26:23,34 a right to not addressed individually in the memo but there's sort of that's 243 00:26:23,35 --> 00:26:26,92 correct and I'm going on there we don't know what all the options are yet but we 244 00:26:26,93 --> 00:26:33,85 explore whatever's on the table OK. And can we get. Somewhere in here in the 245 00:26:33,86 --> 00:26:34,07 either 246 00:26:34,08 --> 00:26:40,92 a status report in either in the ninety days or forty five days 247 00:26:40,96 --> 00:26:46,80 just so we can see how this is progressing OK Thank you that's all I have thank you 248 00:26:46,81 --> 00:26:53,59 Mr Mayor welcome workman's comp and sure. Thank you Mr Mayor I appreciate it very 249 00:26:53,60 --> 00:26:58,06 much the responsiveness that you all. 250 00:27:02,11 --> 00:27:06,16 Showed to this to the concerns that we had raised the council meeting Mark I 251 00:27:06,17 --> 00:27:12,25 thought that your memo covered. A lot of the In fact I thought all of the issues 252 00:27:12,29 --> 00:27:16,97 that the merchants had raised since then and that new memo we received from them I 253 00:27:16,98 --> 00:27:17,38 thought did 254 00:27:17,39 --> 00:27:22,03 a good job of addressing them and I had the same question that Don did about the 255 00:27:22,04 --> 00:27:25,64 multiple parking lots of so forth but I understand your answer and I think it makes 256 00:27:25,65 --> 00:27:32,39 a lot of sense I also want to say I appreciated the mayor suggestion last Thursday 257 00:27:32,40 --> 00:27:37,18 that we get the that we try to get the developer to give us 258 00:27:37,86 --> 00:27:43,52 a break on that and Mr the developers here and we might want to say to him we 259 00:27:43,53 --> 00:27:45,11 appreciated that I think that's 260 00:27:45,12 --> 00:27:51,87 a good will gesture and. And I don't think it will go every way to assuaging the 261 00:27:51,88 --> 00:27:56,97 fears of the street merge by this parking but it's certainly much appreciated and 262 00:27:57,97 --> 00:27:59,33 but I just thought that you all did 263 00:27:59,34 --> 00:28:03,72 a really good job of trying to address these concerns in the memo so thank you very 264 00:28:03,73 --> 00:28:10,61 much. But you can switch you will in the Commons. And it's an emotional nine 265 00:28:14,12 --> 00:28:20,92 so probably moved such an not employed we'll. Close of of the past six is he. 266 00:28:29,53 --> 00:28:29,70 On 267 00:28:29,71 --> 00:28:34,88 a general business agenda public hearings I don't thirteen Mars will an exceptionally 268 00:28:37,32 --> 00:28:40,09 good evening thank you Mr Mayor members of council PAC and with the planning 269 00:28:40,10 --> 00:28:43,97 department first I can certify for the record that all public airing on this before 270 00:28:43,98 --> 00:28:48,90 you tonight have been advertised in accordance with law and we have affidavits on 271 00:28:48,91 --> 00:28:52,29 file with the planning department to that effect the item before you as 272 00:28:52,30 --> 00:28:55,91 a requested revision to the one thousand nine hundred seventy annexation agreement 273 00:28:55,92 --> 00:28:59,87 between the city of Durham in the town of Morrisville the agreement covers the 274 00:29:00,12 --> 00:29:03,35 Southeastern Durham County and Northwestern Wake County area where the municipal 275 00:29:03,36 --> 00:29:07,80 boundaries of term Morrisville meet the request to change the agreement would 276 00:29:07,81 --> 00:29:10,72 remove approximately seven acres of property currently with the city of Durham 277 00:29:10,73 --> 00:29:14,16 sitting stationary up in place that same property in the town of more spells and 278 00:29:14,17 --> 00:29:18,09 station area properties known as the O'Bryant property and it's part of 279 00:29:18,10 --> 00:29:21,70 a larger development proposal located in Wake County and an existing town when it's 280 00:29:21,71 --> 00:29:24,27 a more Seville. City staff as 281 00:29:24,28 --> 00:29:28,22 a value waited this request of revision and determine that the property in question 282 00:29:28,23 --> 00:29:31,15 would be costly and difficult to serve with the city of Durham and is suppose 283 00:29:31,16 --> 00:29:36,22 services the reason for that is that the only direct access to the parcel would be 284 00:29:36,23 --> 00:29:38,51 through the town of Morrisville unless there was 285 00:29:38,52 --> 00:29:42,50 a extension of distribution drive which would involve a crossing of 286 00:29:42,51 --> 00:29:47,51 a stream buffer which is costly and could have environmental impacts the proposed 287 00:29:47,69 --> 00:29:50,91 amended agreement has been reviewed by the Departments of water management of 288 00:29:50,92 --> 00:29:54,85 public works and finance and no detrimental impacts were identified to the long 289 00:29:54,86 --> 00:29:58,75 term interests of the city staff recommends approval of the revised agreement 290 00:29:58,76 --> 00:30:02,69 effective April first two thousand and fourteen I'll be happy to take any questions 291 00:30:02,70 --> 00:30:04,68 thank you thank you this is 292 00:30:04,69 --> 00:30:09,80 a public hearing the public here is open source sort of questions are members of 293 00:30:09,81 --> 00:30:14,87 the council not we have one person whose son speak on his side and. Before I 294 00:30:14,88 --> 00:30:18,95 recognize him is it anyone else who wants to speak on siding with only one person 295 00:30:18,99 --> 00:30:19,65 one son of 296 00:30:20,74 --> 00:30:25,56 a look directed flick to recognize Petra by can you have five minutes take 297 00:30:25,57 --> 00:30:29,27 a lot less than that make Mr Mayor Mayor Bell members a councilman is Patrick by 298 00:30:29,28 --> 00:30:33,22 a girl of two six one four Stuart Dr I'm attorney with Morningstar Law Group in 299 00:30:33,23 --> 00:30:36,65 Durham I'm here tonight representing Casey our developers L.L.C. 300 00:30:36,87 --> 00:30:40,17 Which is the developer of the kids Creek neighborhood in Morrisville that's 301 00:30:40,18 --> 00:30:45,68 directly adjacent to the city limits of Durham I thought the staff report was very 302 00:30:45,69 --> 00:30:49,47 clear and I want to just say how much we appreciate the efforts of the playing 303 00:30:49,48 --> 00:30:53,37 Department the administration to bring this item forward and I'll be happy trying 304 00:30:53,38 --> 00:30:57,10 to answer any questions you only have thank you very much for your time tonight you 305 00:30:57,11 --> 00:30:58,19 will be heard to develop 306 00:30:58,20 --> 00:31:03,35 a representative in one of course in the design you're going to ask us for sure 307 00:31:04,06 --> 00:31:08,59 thank you Mr Mayor you sir this is actually not for you Patrick it's for staff 308 00:31:08,63 --> 00:31:15,25 which is. I know that we have other situations like this where we. Have 309 00:31:15,59 --> 00:31:22,20 I guess the town of Chapel Hill has territory in Durham. What are the implications 310 00:31:22,21 --> 00:31:26,91 of this for any possible future city county merger. 311 00:31:31,67 --> 00:31:35,80 I'm not sure I can fully address that as you alluded to there are areas within town 312 00:31:35,81 --> 00:31:39,66 Chapel Hill that are in Durham County there is a small area already of the S.O.U. 313 00:31:39,67 --> 00:31:44,72 Brawley that's in Durham County. And Morrisville there already are again 314 00:31:44,73 --> 00:31:49,49 a very small portions of Morrisville within Durham County. I think if there were to 315 00:31:49,50 --> 00:31:49,67 be 316 00:31:49,68 --> 00:31:54,15 a future murder term city in Durham County that would have to be part of the negotiations 317 00:31:54,16 --> 00:31:58,10 I don't think those communities would not be subject unless they participated in 318 00:31:58,11 --> 00:32:05,07 that merger. Yeah all right I 319 00:32:05,08 --> 00:32:10,09 guess any dance more about that offline but thank you very much for any of the 320 00:32:10,10 --> 00:32:13,98 questions were members of the Council if not let the record for the No one else 321 00:32:13,99 --> 00:32:15,63 alone speak on inside inside and in 322 00:32:15,64 --> 00:32:21,10 a public hearing on the card put in be close my eyes but for counsel. And probably 323 00:32:21,11 --> 00:32:27,29 move second click wheel to. Close. It passes six is. 324 00:32:28,85 --> 00:32:32,35 The last item on agenda this item fourteen consolidated and it's 325 00:32:32,36 --> 00:32:38,61 a sion item Fernwood Road Baptist Church Good evening again with the Planning 326 00:32:38,62 --> 00:32:40,57 Department thank you this is 327 00:32:40,58 --> 00:32:44,97 a voluntary annexation utility extension initial zoning request submitted by 328 00:32:44,98 --> 00:32:49,13 Farrington Road Baptist Church the applicants are requesting an extension of 329 00:32:49,14 --> 00:32:52,52 approximately eight acres of property located at sixty eight zero four Farrington 330 00:32:52,53 --> 00:32:57,39 road the initial zoning designation request is for the role residential R R R 331 00:32:57,40 --> 00:32:59,64 zoning this is the same as 332 00:32:59,65 --> 00:33:03,83 a nation as the property currently has within the county jurisdiction zoning 333 00:33:03,84 --> 00:33:08,79 designation would allow that the church to seek 334 00:33:08,80 --> 00:33:13,09 a minor special use permit which would be required to be granted by the board of 335 00:33:13,10 --> 00:33:14,65 adjustment before any development as 336 00:33:14,66 --> 00:33:18,59 a place of worship could occur for approximately twenty four thousand square foot 337 00:33:19,02 --> 00:33:23,28 place of worship on the site utility impacting us analysis was performed by the 338 00:33:23,29 --> 00:33:27,27 public works department and they determine that utility service in the area is 339 00:33:27,28 --> 00:33:29,75 adequate to serve the proposed development 340 00:33:30,23 --> 00:33:33,75 a fiscal impact analysis was performed by the Budget Management Services Department 341 00:33:34,00 --> 00:33:38,24 and indicated that the development would be revenue positive staffer Quinn's 342 00:33:38,25 --> 00:33:42,77 approval of this request I'll be happy to take any questions you've heard the staff 343 00:33:42,78 --> 00:33:48,69 or board them ask other questions will move the council if not I don't have anyone 344 00:33:48,70 --> 00:33:53,64 to sun to speak on the side of what asses and one which speak on the side you don't 345 00:33:53,65 --> 00:33:57,99 have to look direct reflect no one cares. 346 00:34:00,63 --> 00:34:07,17 Or. Represent some of the parties involved in doing this. Panic 347 00:34:07,18 --> 00:34:12,21 station. I think the staff report pretty much sets it out this is where Franken row 348 00:34:12,22 --> 00:34:17,67 Babbitts GA simply moving south across fifty four and just the other side of the 349 00:34:18,22 --> 00:34:18,67 interest 350 00:34:18,68 --> 00:34:24,14 a falcon bridge. Oh. It's pretty straightforward Phil Cook is the engineer that 351 00:34:24,15 --> 00:34:27,80 laid it all out he's here to answer any questions if you will have any questions 352 00:34:27,81 --> 00:34:33,53 I'll be happy to answer them thank you you're welcome again to questions of the US 353 00:34:33,54 --> 00:34:34,13 Council sure. 354 00:34:40,52 --> 00:34:46,60 So for our staff the attachment three. Cost benefit 355 00:34:46,61 --> 00:34:49,97 analysis explained to me so this is 356 00:34:49,98 --> 00:34:56,00 a church how do you how do we calculate sales tax and other revenues. As 357 00:34:57,47 --> 00:35:01,53 you know when I look at that side of the cost the cost benefit I see various 358 00:35:01,54 --> 00:35:05,09 sources of revenue and I just don't understand exactly how we make that calculation 359 00:35:05,09 --> 00:35:11,20 . Counts Michel as you'll see from the chart that you referred to the property 360 00:35:11,21 --> 00:35:13,72 taxes were removed because of the taxes and status of 361 00:35:13,73 --> 00:35:20,13 a place of worship the other categories of revenue such as the utility fund 362 00:35:20,69 --> 00:35:23,84 were generated by the Budget Management Services Department based on 363 00:35:23,85 --> 00:35:29,85 a pro rata share or program to estimate of the generation rate of similar types of 364 00:35:29,90 --> 00:35:33,81 uses I don't I don't know that the model was calibrated for the fact that this is 365 00:35:33,82 --> 00:35:35,02 a relocated use rather than 366 00:35:35,03 --> 00:35:39,18 a new use that don't know how it was calibrated for which place of worship or 367 00:35:39,19 --> 00:35:43,76 church relative to other types of non residential uses I certainly can have 368 00:35:43,77 --> 00:35:48,54 a birth Johnson or Jonell or someone follow up with with us on that to get 369 00:35:48,55 --> 00:35:52,45 a more detailed answer that's the best I can do stand here right now and sure thank 370 00:35:52,46 --> 00:35:56,35 you it's not certainly not something I would want to hold this up for anything but 371 00:35:56,36 --> 00:36:03,26 I I it just seems I guess I would be interested in some point I 372 00:36:03,27 --> 00:36:07,17 mean maybe they're not enough churches in that county to or in the city to warrant 373 00:36:07,17 --> 00:36:11,17 . I hate calculation for that but it does seem like 374 00:36:11,18 --> 00:36:13,58 a lot of sales tax to be generated by 375 00:36:13,59 --> 00:36:18,41 a church I could be wrong but. It did strike me as 376 00:36:18,45 --> 00:36:24,77 a lot of revenue for it to be generated that way it's just something I would raise 377 00:36:24,78 --> 00:36:30,34 for the future thank you will certainly really that thank you you know the 378 00:36:30,51 --> 00:36:35,98 questions comments. If not. Be close and I was hopeful because of. 379 00:36:37,81 --> 00:36:43,14 Improper moves up and out of court we're going to. Go as well. As 380 00:36:43,15 --> 00:36:48,99 a six to zero Let me ask you know that I'm going to. Hear no. 381 00:36:51,19 --> 00:36:51,63 Thank you.