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Law enforcement chaplain here is or
chaplain If not I'm going to call

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a meeting to order. And prove all of
the bills I was responsible for the

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commissioner bit thank Mr overnight and
I review the bills and move approval.

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Second emotion second any discussion
on the profile of bills favor say aye.

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Post motion chair. Number
two county engineer hall.

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Good evening commission is the first item
I have on the agenda is regarding the

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installation of

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a culvert that's three thousand three
hundred link drive this particular item was

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on the agenda last time and was placed on
the agenda by the owner of the property

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Rocky Thompson and Rocky had some concerns
with what we were acquiring of him as

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far as our permit was in the language
within the permit I briefly explained last

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time as actually what the permit was what
the language was in the permit and it is

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included in your package. And several of
the commissioners wanted to go on take

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a look at that at the particular site so
hopefully that's taking place and we can

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have that discussion on that site

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a couple things I just want to point out
on the permit it does say no culvert is

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needed at this time in the future if drainage
problems exist then this is the size

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of pipe that you need to have. And I
admitted last time this is not the best

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language you possibly use on this permit
but the reason it is used is because at

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the time we issued these permits we don't
always know how the person is going to

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a grade their particular piece of property
so sometimes an individual could grade

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their property so that it would drain
without the requirement of a ditch and

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a culvert under

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a driveway that happens to be the case
here where they could have drained this to

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the east between the properties and out
that way and no call that would have been

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needed however that did not take place
and then therefore. Was required on the

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front of the permit I just want to point
all out to that. All future maintenance at

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the very bottom there all future
maintenance. To assure proper function is

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a responsibility of the landowner we say
that right up front in the permit that

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regardless of when this particular problem
would have taken place now or ten years

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from now that particular problem is still
the ripoff the problem the responsibility

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of the property owner to deal with. If
the board chooses to have the highway

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department install that particular
pipe I would like the board to pass

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a resolution basically directing I would
partment to install that pipe at that

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location and perform the necessary ditch
work to make sure we have drainage working

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through that particular area one thing to
keep in mind during your deliberation is

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it's really

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a question of timing when the pipe should
have been installed sure the pipe been

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installed before and granted the
landowner may have had some.

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Hard language to understand in the
permit and there may be some legitimate

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a legitimate position there. But if he would
have done it then or if he would do it

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now the pipe itself is really would have
been his responsibility he would have been

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paying for the pipe either way it's
really all we're talking about is the

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installation cost now to take up the concrete
driveway to install the pipe but that

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back all in place so I'd like you to
consider that if your or when you're forming

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the resolution that's all I have had be
happy to answer any questions you'd have on

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that particular item. You had mentioned
there may be another option is that been

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thought of or talk about or just commission
in there the option the commission

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shown or just talking about
is one that. We toyed with

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a little bit it's called the dry hole is
what basically what we do is we auger down

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a fairly large diameter right in the low
area of this particular area we put in

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like a son a tube which is just

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a cardboard tube basically fill it full
of crushed rock then put some fabric over

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the top and plant grass over the top so
anybody looking at it would look like

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a just

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a regular ditch but all the water would
come to that area go down into this this do

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. I hold they sickly and they soak into
the ground from down there. We think that

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under the existing situation what we've
got right there now that would be

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a solution to this particular problem the
problem we have is we're just not sure

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what's going to happen to the south because
if and we don't have any control over

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the neighbors to the south of the those
neighbors put in pipes and put in pipes and

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they drain everything that way then that
particular hole wouldn't be big enough to

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handle all of that water it could
be something we could do is

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a short term solution we
could put that in there take

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a monitor it see see how it works in
that one preclude us from putting

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a pipe in later if we needed to but that's

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a possible solution to I did talk to the
land owner to the south of Rockies. He is

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out of town right now and hasn't he won't
be back until mid December he was not

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necessarily. So sure this particular
method would work and he wasn't

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a real big fan of that that solution I
explained that if we did that it's one of

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those things we're going to try we put it
in see how it performed we could always

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go back and put in

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a culvert if we needed to down the road.
So at this point I'm not recommending that

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but if the board chooses to direct me to
do that I would do that. What's the wish

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of the book. Mr Chairman Yes I don't know
if you guys want to look at that property

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I did. Only

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a couple things at the Marcus is when I
read the permit it was dated seven sixteen

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twelve or maybe that was the.

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There's two dates there's
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a seven sixteen. And at that time

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we told them no cold it was needed if
you're drainage problems arise with the

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required pipe sizes given below it
it's pretty hard. Like I said if

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I read this permit and it was my all sight
of what the culvert and no questions

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asked because. I would want to tear my
driveway out but but the way this you

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know this was written and it's dated seven
sixteen twelve that would have been in

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July and it's October. So what we said is

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at this time no culverts needed about four
months later we come back and say needs

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a culvert. Second thing
is I don't think he needs

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a culvert I don't think that water is going
to drain north or south to be honest

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with you guys go up there I mean just by
looking at it it's like it was perfectly

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flat up there and his the guy who's
argument to the south was there's

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a two tenths of an inside job to the to
the north water's not going to drain with

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a two tenths of an inch drop that's just
going to sit there regardless I don't know

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where that water's going to drain if it
goes south anyway. But I'm not an engineer

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. I think I guess what I'm
saying is I still think

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if we were requiring

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a covert there I think we need to bite the
bullet and put it in. Commissioners I

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just want to address that that
was a four sixteen that's not

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a seven sixteen in the copy you have this
kind of hard to see I do have the one

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week or OK. OK OK OK

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my mistake. Oh even April
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And the intent just wanted
to follow up on that

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a little bit the intent was
at least let me back up

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a said this is an area that no storm water
management plan was done so everybody is

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shooting kind of from the hip on how
the water drains out there and that's

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basically the problem we have the intent
of at least the the owner that was to

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directly to the south was that he felt
everything would drain to the north OK and

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that was his thoughts when he put in the
call of it and therefore when Rocky was

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not putting in

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a culvert he felt OK Now all this water
is going to come through my culvert and

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then stop in your driveway and sit in
my yard so that was his concern and

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from the pictures you can tell that there
is some water sitting in there. I think

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it's a minimal problem you
know but to say it's not

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a problem I can't quite go that far and I
don't know for sure as people develop to

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the south since there's no plan out there
what they are going to do with their

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water if they send to the
east yeah this is not really

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a problem but right now we don't have any
water easements going to these we have no

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way to force any of those property owners
to drain it that way Mr Armstrong thank

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you Mr Chairman Marcus that we don't know
exactly what's going on out there even

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from an engineering standpoint because
we don't know what previous owners and

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future owners may do with their property
as your army just sort of tabling this for

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a while and seeing what happens
out there and then throws

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a problem address dress it directly. A
commission as that's always the right of the

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board to table any I issued until as long
as you like I would just say that I think

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it's a minimal problem right now it's not

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a major problem I believe the landowner
there's water in his yard feels it's it's

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a major problem OK So that's the only
individual you have to you know deal with

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down the road here I think
it's possibly could be

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a major problem once other development
takes place but we could deal with it at

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that time there's no rush to deal with
it. Mr Chairman good Mr President

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Marcus if we decided to put

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a call heard in there and we were going to
do it would we contract that or would we

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go in and cut the concrete and put it in
ourselves and what would the cost be. The

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commissioners I know the Rocky had got
some estimates on the cost I think the

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cheapest way for us to do it is to do
it in-house and so therefore I would

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recommend that we do that in-house and do
the work ourselves at this point in time

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I would probably recommend waiting till
spring to do that until we could do the

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proper ditching work that has to be done
on both properties to make sure that that

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drains properly through that area so with
tabling the issue here again it you know

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. We could wait until the spring time to
deal with it well that was my the point I

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don't think there's any use doing anything
now because you're right Marcus when I

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look at it you can't tell what the dish
looks like you can't tell how much you're

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going to have the real landscape the ditches
just to get it the move. So I would I

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would make

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a motion we table it till spring and
re-evaluate with the intent of us. You know

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going in and taking care of it if there is

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a problem in the spring and well no it
means there's water certain four feet in

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a ditch we've got

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a problem. Second. It was emotion said.

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All they ever say I post.
And if there is no

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problem maybe we don't have to do it in.
Point we're making those that we're not

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expecting to land on are going to
go on us at all which hope every.

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I don't to thank you the next item I
have is to authorize the proper county

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officials to advertise for bins for the
construction of the early County shop as

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you know over the past few years we've been
working diligently on doing reports in

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Space Studies in alternate designs and
different kind of things. To look at

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a new facility. To house the Berkeley
County highway departments Bismarck area

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operations we're at

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a point where we're just about completed
with the design plans and specifications

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for the new facilities and at this point
we'd like to look for look at moving

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forward with advertising for bids for this
particular project we would advertise

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for bids starting sometime in December and
this would be our intent open bids on

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January twenty fourth. And then come back
to the county board on February fourth

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with whatever bids we get at that time
review the bids if we move forward at that

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point construction would take place starting
sometime probably in May of thirteen

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and ending up probably June first part of
the summer in fourteen so at this point

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I'd recommend that you adopt the proposed
resolution authorizing the county auditor

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in the county engineer to have

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a taste for bids for the Berkeley County
Garage I just I just want to ask one

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question I think I've asked it. Six times
already but both the shop area and

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administrate of area is designed so it
can be extended and added to is with the

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girl respect yet commissioners the answer
the short answer is yes I want to just

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talk a little bit about in
front of you have a of you

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a front view of the particular facility
what we're looking at doing and then

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there's also a planned layout inside
of that on the next sheet. It's always

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a balancing acts of that we don't build
so build bigs build so big that we create

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this monster that cost so much that we can't
afford to do it in the first place but

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yet we leave

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a little bit of room in the facility we
have currently we have three offices that

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we're planning that will be bake it when
we start this particular facility we have

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three cubicles that would be vacant
on the engineering side on the on the

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maintenance side. Will basically be able
to store all of our equipment inside

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with room to spare with the addition of

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a cold storage building that we're looking
at the building right now to or down the

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road shortly. But we can easily stack
more equipment in there before the

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time comes that we need to expand now
the both the office space and the warm

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storage space have been designed with
expansion in mind so both of these areas will

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have that capability. That was my big
concern I just didn't want to get

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crowded out so that. Ten fifteen twenty
years from now it can't be expanded.

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What so wish Commission Mr Chairman I move
that we authorize the advertisement of

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bids for the construction of Bertie
County shop. So we're going to second.

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Whatever's Second it does
seconds or further discussion.

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Favor say aye vote ocean Thank you that's
all I have for the see me thank you.

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Share finder. And I just want to
mention my her chair finer Don

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a talk radio show this afternoon he did
an excellent job thank you thank you sir.

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Our gaming commission is the reason I'm
here tonight is to receive authorization

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for

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a mutual release settlement with Cascade
County Montana. Back in September of two

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thousand and eleven we had a
person arrested out in Montana on

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a felony warrant out of Burley County there
was also other counties in Montana that

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one of this individual he once arrested
in Cascade County which is Great Falls

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Montana they did not have charges on him
other than are charges they get hit on in

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through N.C.I.C.

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He got sick they took him to the hospital
and over the next seven or eight days he

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occurred

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a twenty four thousand five hundred eighty
seven dollar bill. They were going to

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release and us along with the bill don't
need us and I objected to paid the entire

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bill saying that other counties want to
as well besides Berkeley County North

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Dakota so since then the state's attorney's
office has been working with the

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state's attorney's office a
cascade County first. As

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a road biker and then more recently as

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a misdeeds and we've. Made offers and
counteroffers and letters back and forth for

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we're fifteen months now and we were
friendly down to an offer that. We considers

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as close to reasonable as we can get out
of the twenty four thousand five hundred

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eighty seven dollars They've now agreed
to. Settle for nine thousand two hundred

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twenty dollars and hold the Berkeley
County harmless after that we have an

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agreement drawn up in the state's attorney's
office has asked that the commission

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accept disagreement pass or make

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a motion accepting this authorize me to
pay this bill and then I need all five of

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your signatures on this and you have to
sign it tonight because I are they have

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been here because it's under the county
recorder because that's how they work their

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system up there so yeah it's a
it's a long drawn out process for

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a very simplified bill in my mind
but probably spent more than

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a thousand this year and will pick up the
ballots of the twenty I can only assume

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that the other the other three counties
in Montana are going to get. Stuck with

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that portion of the balance we tried for
twenty five percent that's what we stuck

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on for

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a long time we were at fifty fifty for
some given time for seven or eight months

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and now they finally made this counteroffer
of about thirty three or thirty four

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percent so we just elected to accept
out to move on its own we bought

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a thousand dollars difference from going
to the twenty five percent as we just said

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let's get it over with and move forward.
Will course pay it back when I say New

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York yeah I want to file something and
restitution Yeah she just wants her

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signature Debbie just has to witness everybody
sign it and then she's going to sign

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and then we get this paperwork
don't care and we need

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a motion Yes Mr Chairman
I move approval. And

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a motion is seconds or further
discussion. On favors that I post OK

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there's two of these forms you have to sign
saw start with what he wanted all to be

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awesome around was he found guilty what
he did where is and where is he now it's.

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Still our facility. OK It's
absolutely amazing opinion mates

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cost per account for medical care and I
would tell you in the bills yeah I was just

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reviewing the bills going to it was
unbelievable and some of that court ordered

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stuff that I bought a blessed with

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a. Bitter read that before he signed I did
it it last time I signed some without

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reading it I got four years
Rinker you don't. Need to get

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a case of beer with. Your. Erica.

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Severity but they both honor only one
want to and will. So I sign make

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sure it's only same one. I only sign
once under but it will send her back.

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Oh yeah I didn't read it.
So one signature page

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games or two. There's just the
one signature Bijan. Going to

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me with here is that one right there by
Doug Right right Goddard is I had to find

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and that was that it had. You saying to.

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All this first time we've done this that
I've been out here for six years you know

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we had to sign something. Well those guys
are from around here yeah apparently.

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When they just watch us say yes to.

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Jose their next date a man
run the. Number four. Just

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a community director Louis. Good evening
cherish honoring commissioners on

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this request for harvest ridge and that
provision for the acceptance of right of

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way in the final plat of that subdivision
was on the last agenda and at that time

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it was continued so that we would have some
time to go back and discuss some issues

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I'm just refresh your memory this plaque
is in the northwest corridor of section

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thirty three of brain Creek township so it
is west of US Highway eighty three north

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of eighty fourth Avenue and the extension
of Washington Street would be included in

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this plan. The issue before you was whether
or not they would be required to extend

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Washington Street at this point in time I
don't think there's any concern with the

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rest of the roads within the
plan it was just whether or not

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a heart or whether or not Washington Street
had to be extended staff had originally

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recommended that we not extend that road
all the way to the edge of the plaque

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because it stops in

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a low area and it doesn't really go anywhere
at this point in time the. You can see

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the grades on here but it does. This is
where the edge of the real residential

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lots are north of that when she get in
that this area it is it is the property

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that's owned by the park just wrecked and
looking at this request we talked about

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a couple different options one of them was
actually pulling out this western part

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of the Platte out of the Platte and just
played in the eastern portions would be an

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extension of those two roadways further to
the west and that including this however

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that doesn't get us the right of way for
the roadway in the future and it doesn't

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really plant that property
that but they could do it as

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a forty acre tract The other option that
was discussed was maybe pulling out the

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park district property the park district
parcel was actually acquired by the park

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district when

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a previous owner was trying to find someone
to take the parcel and I believe from

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my other record what I recall the county
park just was approaching didn't really

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want it so they went to the State of the
Bismarck park district and they agreed to

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take the piece of land. But their idea was
is that they maybe would not hang on to

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it for ever and swap it down the road they're
not planning on doing an act of park

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in that area so the park just doesn't
have the money to pay for this roadway

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extension so they thought about maybe just
pulling their property out of the plat

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But again it doesn't get us the roadway or
doesn't get doesn't get doesn't get the

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property plat it which is one of the
agreements when the auditors buy was

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originally created so they get that gets
us back what time when was. The auditors

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a blatt was done in. I can tell you
didn't you just ballpark me it was

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a long time ago it was done when they
brought this plaid in the last time so

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probably would have been done in

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a way to row nine maybe recently OK yeah
yeah wasn't it wasn't that long ago so

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that gets us back to the proposal that
staff again this obvious enough staff

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decision but staff still feels that the
original proposal of not constructing the

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road with this time and getting the right
of way dedication is the is the best

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option is and we have the right of way for
the future and we could build the road

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at some point in the future if we needed
it. But it doesn't really make sense to we

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don't think it makes sense to bid to build
at this point in time. The applicant is

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here today the applicants engineer is here
and they they can sure talk about that

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we met on Friday to talk about this and
that meeting were the three gentlemen you

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see here Marcus myself and Randy bean and
Greg Smith from the park district to talk

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about it. Do you have any
questions. So so well.

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Me before. What are we trying to do Kim
exactly we're we're not the it's not going

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to be on the black the the issue the reason
it was table last time was because the

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we thought we had an agreement at the snap
level and we were I guess we just assume

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that you would go along with us so we got
to make that assumption but we we thought

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we had agreement as to what would need to
be done with the road and they proceed

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under under that understanding and we
obviously were misunderstood we have as he

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didn't understand the directly but what
they would like to do is dedicate the right

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of way so we have the right of way in the
future for Washington Street but only

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build

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a road to the edge of the coulee at this
point in time because right now it doesn't

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really go anywhere and their property
ends at the bottom of the coulee and then

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when the property to the north is developed
in the future could come back down and

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the road could be built at that point in
time. I look at it these have it's it's

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bizarre I mean I would get or autographs
or without considerable expense.

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It is that's

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a deep coulee but the only problem I have
with it is that we denied the first land

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owner platting because of that enough to
come back and give to the second one.

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I feel. A little bit obligated to the
first one because I think he would have

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developed it if we'd have done the same
thing for him and I don't know how you get

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around that but. I don't have

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a problem doing what you're asking for now
but. When we did not get to the first

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owner and then someone else owns
it now we approve it that makes

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a little tough in my eyes commissioner
Bittner Thank you Mr Chairman I guess my

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biggest concern is that it sounds like
we're just automatically agreeing that the

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government is going to build this road
at some point the future and our current

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policies we don't do that and that that
keeps cost on for the taxpayers and off the

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landowners want to provide additional
information that's one thing. But I'm

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concerned about us agreeing that the
government is going to build this road because

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that's essentially the decision
making by doing this. Mr

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Armstrong thank you Mr Mayor how much right
away Kim because Washington's that's

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a big and you know that's why is that like
five lanes of right away we're getting

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there what are we getting here I'm normally
we get seventy five feet on either side

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of the section line so we normally get

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a total of one hundred fifty feet in this
particular case they've widened it out

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because of slow these moves and things like
that that are going to be needed across

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that coulee and they've also moved all of
the right of way onto their side of the

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of the section line. And I guess if I just
add one of the thing I guess that's the

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difference I see in this road because most
landowners are going to be responsible

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for a five lane. You know payment there
because that clearly is bigger than just

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a road. A normal county road or

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a two lane road that's going to
be going through that so I see

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a little bit differently in terms of the
responsibility of whatever government

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entity it is that time
it builds it just not

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a normal road or if they ever
do build it it's going to be

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a big road. Who does own the property to
the north Camp same people out on the

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south you know this property is owned by
Felton developing this piece right here is

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done by park park just right the two pieces
to the north of that are owned by Dale

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pocky and then you get to the party line.
It's all road there would would enhance

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a development on the north side of that
road yes those two pieces would be that

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they would benefit from that. At some
future time. That that's Washington

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Street and it probably will be all through
at some point you know whatever that is

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. Whether it's five ten twenty years but.
I don't think that's going to be denied

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at some point. Mr Chairman if.

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The development to the north of if.
It ever comes we still wouldn't have

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a paved road there are some guys right I
mean I know what you know it's big and

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it's going to be a huge
slope it's almost like

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a trestle bridge across there but. Can we
require that the developer the five or

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ten years from now to build that road we
can we want to could make. Would never get

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built it never will be given will ever be
developed other than building this road

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the only way would be from the east and
that swelling with the I did staff's idea

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was that it would probably start developing
from the one hundred tenth and come

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south and that the point that we needed
to have the road and the rock we built we

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talked openly we talked about the option
of doing some sort of bond or signing

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capital how long would you
how long would you hold

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a bond it's you know might be twenty years
before the road gets built. It's pretty

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safe to say that that road is is going
to be built at some point and you can be

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a big group and it's going to be

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a big road and it's going to be
expensive. So if we say no then what.

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We've gotten and the development doesn't
happen if the county does not accept the

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right of way they could
either come back with

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a revised plat and see if you would be
willing to accept the right of way without

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the plant and that or the pilot just go
away because the roads have to be there for

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a quarter for them to develop. But I

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really hate to hold up the development
also because we do need more lots and you

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know. I look at it from two directions.

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The street. Mr Ben. And I
have no problem with the

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platinum and in the developing on the
property the only concern I have is that at

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some point. Whether it's you know I don't
imagine it's going to be the county but

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it could very easily be the city or.
There's more parks and wrecks or possibly

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landowners to the north somebody is going
to get hooked for some really big bills

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there. And by making this decision I suspect
they're going to expect the county to

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help out on that. But there I think it
would be become become our responsibility.

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And what we probably do have some
responsibility somewhere along the line we're

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going to get the benefit of the tax revenue
from the property and you know if that

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ever starts getting built up
there. Mr Norman those tax

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dollars though is not what builds wrote I
understand. That Mr Chairman yes I move

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the way approve the accept the right of
way dedication the final plan of harvest

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raids and subdivision is as
submitted. Back and got a motion in

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a second's or further discussion. Really.

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Was Done pizza and that. Many
by the discussion. If not

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will vote the roll call. Bitter you know.

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Are wrong I would because
I. Was so yes sure

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no motion carried. Mr MILLER. I just want
to make sure everybody understands that

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my concerns are down the road I have no
problem with this development it's this

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we're going to be on the hook for

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a lot of dollars on the road. I think that
I stated my concern it was I denied it

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for the first on our knowledge B.

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Program for the second I have

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a hard time doing that other than
that I don't have. It's to prove OK.

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We'll move on to. Mr number one number

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five there are no abatements there are not

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a great number six. Complex. I think Mr

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Chairman. The intent with having
us on the agenda was to review

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this and see what direction the county
commission wanted to provide to the Planning

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Commission States here on the on the first
page of the comprehensive plan that.

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This comprehensive plan may be amended at
any time by regular hearing procedures

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through the burley County Planning Commission.
And I think that it's important if

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we're going to make any changes to it
that we read through this determine what

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those changes should look like and give
guidance to the Planning Commission on how

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we want. Those changes
implemented. So I thought that

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the best thing is if we could just read
through it. And if anybody has comments on

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any of the individual things is on the
few pages long. They may have any issues

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with that. OK. Item number
one under government the

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goal is to increase the effectiveness of
government decisions in order to improve

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the county's physical social and economic
environment. Sub that is community

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relations policy is provide opportunities
for Burley county's citizens to

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understand and participate in public affairs
under programs this is publicize the

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00:33:24,84 --> 00:33:30,24
public meetings proposals and decisions
made by government Number two is encourage

424
00:33:30,25 --> 00:33:35,11
public participation by utilizing the
following citizen advisory committees public

425
00:33:35,12 --> 00:33:41,75
displays and advertising. And goes on to
the next section anybody have any concerns

426
00:33:41,76 --> 00:33:48,42
with that section. Anything you want
to see improvement. One point zero

427
00:33:48,43 --> 00:33:53,63
two intergovernmental cooperation the
policy is to promote cooperation among city

428
00:33:53,64 --> 00:33:59,12
township county and state governmental
departments programs under that policy are

429
00:33:59,53 --> 00:34:04,28
encourage injured departmental participation
by joint city township county and

430
00:34:04,29 --> 00:34:09,71
state meetings consolidation of government
offices and review procedures among

431
00:34:09,82 --> 00:34:13,24
departments Number two is consider
the possibility of forming

432
00:34:13,25 --> 00:34:17,03
a Council of Governments to serve the burley
County Bismarck and Morton County man

433
00:34:17,04 --> 00:34:22,88
and metropolitan area what's that consider
consulate governments at one time years

434
00:34:22,89 --> 00:34:29,52
ago that often about. Making one government
out of the early morning counties in

435
00:34:29,64 --> 00:34:33,48
Bismarck man and cities making it one that
what they're referring to I think that's

436
00:34:33,49 --> 00:34:40,05
what they're referring to. I do not
favor that and I think that is.

437
00:34:41,18 --> 00:34:46,11
It outrageous and crazy to me I I don't
think that would be the best interest of

438
00:34:46,12 --> 00:34:51,62
our citizens. To try to
do that any time you get.

439
00:34:53,19 --> 00:34:53,41
You get

440
00:34:53,42 --> 00:34:58,26
a bigger government you get for their way
from the individual citizen and they have

441
00:34:58,38 --> 00:35:04,67
less chance to supporting Mr Chairman I
would like to see that to lead to something

442
00:35:05,11 --> 00:35:08,76
I don't think we need to do need it is
much we need to revise revise its language

443
00:35:08,77 --> 00:35:10,53
because we already have the B.M.A.

444
00:35:10,54 --> 00:35:13,61
And the committee which is working with
the four. Cities and they've done some

445
00:35:13,62 --> 00:35:19,37
positive things that is still continuing
and I don't I think that is more the

446
00:35:19,38 --> 00:35:24,66
intent of what this is in that we have to
keep all the other entities in vised And

447
00:35:24,67 --> 00:35:29,81
what we're doing and so on I don't know
whether we don't have to reveal I don't say

448
00:35:29,82 --> 00:35:30,01
it's

449
00:35:30,02 --> 00:35:34,39
a revised language I just it's just what
revised language on that and we'll look at

450
00:35:34,40 --> 00:35:40,51
that. Because I don't want to see that
disappear really all right so all right on

451
00:35:40,52 --> 00:35:44,95
my notes and then I'll take That's what was
used to take to the Planning Commission

452
00:35:44,99 --> 00:35:49,91
to. Say so all they wrote on there
was revised language under the.

453
00:35:51,81 --> 00:35:53,86
Chairman good just interrupt for

454
00:35:53,87 --> 00:35:58,79
a second I don't know which plan you're
looking off of but if you go to our early

455
00:35:58,80 --> 00:36:05,76
county Web site the plan there says early
counting zoning ordinances and this

456
00:36:05,77 --> 00:36:12,71
is really the document that's guides us
that that is such an old document doesn't

457
00:36:12,72 --> 00:36:16,92
even match up with what we have on the Web
site on our own website and you know it

458
00:36:16,93 --> 00:36:20,79
says some of the same things but it's
much more comprehensive and this is what

459
00:36:20,80 --> 00:36:24,70
citizens who are going to maybe
try to follow on a home with

460
00:36:24,71 --> 00:36:29,95
a twelve page document or this is under
this is under our Web site this is under

461
00:36:29,96 --> 00:36:33,80
zoning ordinance some of the Community
Planning Department this this these are the

462
00:36:33,81 --> 00:36:39,11
zoning ordinances zoning ordinances that
separate item though from the plan but the

463
00:36:39,12 --> 00:36:44,17
calm plan commissioner with all due respect
is is one that's from the one nine

464
00:36:44,18 --> 00:36:47,86
hundred eighty S. That's flattery
that's where we really can't sit at

465
00:36:47,87 --> 00:36:49,85
a table here very biased line by line

466
00:36:49,86 --> 00:36:53,01
a document for the night like eighty's
when we're more than the fifty two minutes

467
00:36:53,02 --> 00:36:58,04
that Terri wanted to be because I think
it's all night I don't think so well it's

468
00:36:58,05 --> 00:37:03,24
going to be let's go to the end of the
will see. One point zero three planning.

469
00:37:04,31 --> 00:37:07,46
Policy is to emphasize a
sound planning process as

470
00:37:07,47 --> 00:37:11,16
a means of managing future County growth
in the most rational efficient manner

471
00:37:11,17 --> 00:37:16,88
possible programs and to that all development
applications will be treated equally

472
00:37:17,09 --> 00:37:21,71
with the county's best interest of
primary importance Number two is adopt

473
00:37:21,72 --> 00:37:27,81
a comprehensive plan to guide the future
growth within Burley County. Any issues

474
00:37:27,82 --> 00:37:34,59
with. A one point zero four county
ordinances. On the speaks to your question

475
00:37:34,63 --> 00:37:38,96
Commissioner Armstrong policy is to ensure
that the county codes and ordinances are

476
00:37:38,97 --> 00:37:44,38
amended as needed and kept up to date
programs under that are incorporate

477
00:37:44,39 --> 00:37:50,34
beneficial zoning and planning innovations
into county ordinance to buy amendments

478
00:37:50,46 --> 00:37:54,98
revise the zoning ordinance to reflect
the changing goals and policies of the

479
00:37:55,11 --> 00:38:00,92
comprehensive plan number three is revise
the zoning ordinance as needed to include

480
00:38:00,93 --> 00:38:06,66
a clear explanation of allowed uses within
each zoning District Number four promote

481
00:38:06,67 --> 00:38:13,43
a joint city county zoning ordinance.
Any issues with that when I say

482
00:38:13,44 --> 00:38:13,88
promote

483
00:38:13,89 --> 00:38:20,78
a joint city county zoning ordinance
there is no. City County correct

484
00:38:20,79 --> 00:38:25,40
and there's there's not. That may
be something that you want to see

485
00:38:25,41 --> 00:38:30,52
a language change right now our situation
in early County with respect to

486
00:38:30,53 --> 00:38:34,60
Bismarck's zoning ordinances is they're
very very similar to each other

487
00:38:34,79 --> 00:38:39,12
a lot of effort has been put in over the
years for them to be very similar so that

488
00:38:39,13 --> 00:38:39,91
citizens have

489
00:38:39,92 --> 00:38:46,85
a reasonable idea of what to expect resulting
here. If you would if you feel the

490
00:38:46,86 --> 00:38:53,26
language changes needed on that. To
reflect where we're at that might be more

491
00:38:53,27 --> 00:38:58,22
appropriate I think so. Maybe

492
00:38:58,23 --> 00:39:05,08
a revised look at it right revise
to reflect current. Situation or

493
00:39:05,09 --> 00:39:06,45
current status of that.

494
00:39:17,44 --> 00:39:24,30
In page two. Residential neighborhoods. The
goal is to preserve property values and

495
00:39:24,31 --> 00:39:31,21
maintain an adequate stock and variety
of housing. Under new housing policy

496
00:39:31,76 --> 00:39:36,27
growth of new residential areas and
redevelopment of existing neighborhoods should

497
00:39:36,28 --> 00:39:41,82
be orderly systematic and consistent with
the needs of the county. Programs under

498
00:39:41,83 --> 00:39:45,70
that is encourage the development
of a in areas within or near

499
00:39:45,71 --> 00:39:51,08
a community's corporate limits such
as men open Baldwin etc Number two is

500
00:39:51,09 --> 00:39:55,53
residential development as needed will
be encouraged to locate within the urban

501
00:39:55,54 --> 00:40:00,41
service area. Went that that we may
want to talk about all by itself.

502
00:40:02,30 --> 00:40:06,05
So the and then the next is the county
should make every effort to prevent

503
00:40:06,06 --> 00:40:10,95
discrimination in the housing market number
for low income housing should not be

504
00:40:10,96 --> 00:40:15,34
concentrated in any one area of the
county or its communities number five the

505
00:40:15,35 --> 00:40:19,33
location of elderly housing units should
be determined by ease of access to

506
00:40:19,34 --> 00:40:23,35
shopping and services the syllabus and I
think we should back up to that number two

507
00:40:23,36 --> 00:40:27,44
then. I think we had

508
00:40:27,45 --> 00:40:33,13
a conversation before where
the urban service area needs

509
00:40:33,18 --> 00:40:40,18
a change in the mapping I think there
was an ambitious. Desire at one time

510
00:40:40,19 --> 00:40:45,03
that all of this land within this urban
service area was going to get city services

511
00:40:45,04 --> 00:40:50,67
and all those things and essentially none
of that happened. In the twenty five

512
00:40:50,68 --> 00:40:56,20
years that I've on my property out east
of town I think city water has has moved

513
00:40:56,24 --> 00:41:01,07
out from the city limits of about a
mile or within the city limits out

514
00:41:01,75 --> 00:41:06,41
a mile from where it was and I'm not aware
of that going much further north or

515
00:41:06,42 --> 00:41:11,24
south or in so the urban service
area boundary is something that's

516
00:41:11,25 --> 00:41:16,95
a key thing that. We'll need to look
at is that basically that's within

517
00:41:16,96 --> 00:41:22,78
a four miles or stick of Bismarck we
really don't have that speed. Essentially.

518
00:41:24,29 --> 00:41:29,34
I mean I don't know why it's even in here
because it's. You know we're talking

519
00:41:29,35 --> 00:41:34,99
about Bismarck's song and play something
so what would you think would be something

520
00:41:35,00 --> 00:41:38,99
a little better there are no but I think
that should maybe just delete it yes

521
00:41:39,00 --> 00:41:45,70
continue again. Discontinued
looking. At that city

522
00:41:45,83 --> 00:41:51,82
that's not Mr Chairman Yes Was
this the phrasing that I know

523
00:41:51,83 --> 00:41:55,46
a lot of people were under the
assumption we can't develop beyond

524
00:41:55,47 --> 00:41:59,27
a hundred ten thousand Is this what they
were referring to at all if that's the

525
00:41:59,28 --> 00:42:04,35
delineated in one of the plans for making
eighty OK so it's not that because the

526
00:42:04,36 --> 00:42:09,49
urban service area is going to change well
you look at urban service area line now

527
00:42:09,76 --> 00:42:12,79
and it take jobs around but it
doesn't go up to her can't have

528
00:42:12,80 --> 00:42:17,07
a No it doesn't go out to your area you
know it's kind of an irrelevant thing where

529
00:42:17,08 --> 00:42:20,51
there's an urban service here in the New
Year been transitional every transition is

530
00:42:20,93 --> 00:42:26,73
much bigger readies thing it's not
it's not an effective tool anymore.

531
00:42:30,21 --> 00:42:35,12
I mean no to discontinue that one part
look let's just look at it I mean if we're

532
00:42:35,13 --> 00:42:39,97
going to turn this all over the piney
apartment early yes we'll let them and I hope

533
00:42:39,98 --> 00:42:40,17
we have

534
00:42:40,18 --> 00:42:43,31
a public hearing on it as well you know
bats are well that's the whole that's what

535
00:42:43,32 --> 00:42:47,36
I want to look at this I mean we don't want
to deal with limiting stuff right away

536
00:42:47,37 --> 00:42:49,79
I'm unless we're going to
revise it let them get

537
00:42:49,80 --> 00:42:55,03
a shot at revising it exactly right oh
replaced we're discontinue with revise or

538
00:42:55,04 --> 00:43:01,90
possibly revoke again look at OK.
Look at revision or what I look

539
00:43:01,91 --> 00:43:08,36
at revision OK That's it would. Create

540
00:43:08,61 --> 00:43:14,58
anything else in that section not will
move on policy be encouraged the use of

541
00:43:14,59 --> 00:43:19,64
sound planning principles and modern practices
in subdivision planning and housing

542
00:43:19,65 --> 00:43:26,64
development. Program that are. You're the
chairman. I maybe I could let you go

543
00:43:26,65 --> 00:43:31,43
through these and I'll get OK we're going
to number one encourage the use of

544
00:43:31,44 --> 00:43:34,80
planned unit development techniques
in residential development such as

545
00:43:34,81 --> 00:43:39,62
consideration of the natural characteristics
of the site number two local

546
00:43:39,63 --> 00:43:43,70
residential. It should be designed to fit
the lay of the land service access to

547
00:43:43,71 --> 00:43:48,58
a budding property and discourage through
traffic number three housing projects

548
00:43:48,59 --> 00:43:53,32
requiring extensive land modification
should be discouraged number four builders

549
00:43:53,33 --> 00:43:56,70
and developers are encouraged to work
closely with government to ensure the

550
00:43:56,71 --> 00:44:02,25
developments are consistent with applicable
applicable ordinances plans documents

551
00:44:02,26 --> 00:44:07,68
in adjacent land uses. This is where I think
there should be something added in or

552
00:44:07,69 --> 00:44:14,53
by using Ghost planning that is
in the order that is in here is

553
00:44:14,54 --> 00:44:20,24
that some places are OK. I'm not sure
that will probably come and it will make

554
00:44:20,25 --> 00:44:25,00
a note of I missed it if I was in there
because I was looking for OK go ahead it is

555
00:44:25,54 --> 00:44:32,41
I believe it is and I know it's in order
and it. Will come back and neighborhood

556
00:44:32,42 --> 00:44:37,21
rehabilitation and preservation. Policy
is encouraged the maintenance and

557
00:44:37,22 --> 00:44:42,85
rehabilitation of housing and improvements
for all residential areas in the program

558
00:44:42,86 --> 00:44:47,57
just create historical districts to protect
significant residential areas apply for

559
00:44:47,58 --> 00:44:52,42
housing rehabilitation grants loans from
the federal government three encourage the

560
00:44:52,43 --> 00:44:59,18
planting and maintenance of trees and
vegetation in residential areas. Anything

561
00:44:59,19 --> 00:45:05,98
else in there Mr Chairman what of what
kind of. The bill patient grants and

562
00:45:05,99 --> 00:45:10,82
loans are we going to be at we need
that in there. I've never heard of

563
00:45:10,83 --> 00:45:15,62
a rehabilitation grant her alone so I
don't know that I have it in and it might

564
00:45:15,63 --> 00:45:22,59
have been something they were doing back
in the eighty's and look at that OK. I'll

565
00:45:22,60 --> 00:45:29,55
say look at. The need
for need and need OK.

566
00:45:33,42 --> 00:45:38,85
I was good. Under neighborhood
commercial development page through

567
00:45:39,67 --> 00:45:43,65
a neighborhood commercial development
should conform to the residential character

568
00:45:43,66 --> 00:45:47,42
of the area programs require
adequate buffers as

569
00:45:47,43 --> 00:45:51,71
a transition between commercial and
residential areas number two residential

570
00:45:51,72 --> 00:45:55,10
neighborhood commercial zoning should
be considered only of the need for such

571
00:45:55,11 --> 00:46:00,01
a zoning clearly exists number three
discourage any uses which will substantially

572
00:46:00,02 --> 00:46:04,25
depreciate the just surrounded residential
land values or generate high traffic

573
00:46:04,26 --> 00:46:08,56
volumes for discourage the expansion of
neighborhood commercial centers into the

574
00:46:08,57 --> 00:46:13,04
surrounding residential area and number
five encourage neighborhood commercial uses

575
00:46:13,05 --> 00:46:19,51
to locate at major road intersections.
Anything you see needs change in them. Or

576
00:46:19,52 --> 00:46:26,30
the or the barriers in the transition
whatevers as is outlined in our ordinance of

577
00:46:26,31 --> 00:46:33,23
justice to the current Yeah. Yeah I would
assume so yeah that leads to things like

578
00:46:33,24 --> 00:46:37,36
you know berms to keep her. Leis from
shooting and other group holes in the homes

579
00:46:37,86 --> 00:46:44,72
you know i Sharif is to prevent the view
if you recall the land we sold where the

580
00:46:45,06 --> 00:46:47,72
concrete plant was built
out there they had

581
00:46:47,73 --> 00:46:49,95
a requirement this is
as an example they had

582
00:46:49,96 --> 00:46:54,40
a requirement for tree plantings around
the outside edge of that in order to.

583
00:46:57,46 --> 00:47:00,97
Lessen the view. Based on

584
00:47:00,98 --> 00:47:05,66
a. Commission of Calypso you know
we we govern Underwood's like

585
00:47:05,67 --> 00:47:10,67
a planned unit development so the Planning
Commission hears from people that don't

586
00:47:10,68 --> 00:47:16,63
think the trees are hired for and so each
proposal comes in and that's that's the

587
00:47:16,64 --> 00:47:21,04
technique we used to sub sub divide land
and it could be different from one to the

588
00:47:21,05 --> 00:47:25,98
night it's always different always on
the area that it's being located near

589
00:47:25,99 --> 00:47:30,93
a highway would be different than out and
some pristine area. Plenty of envelopment

590
00:47:30,93 --> 00:47:33,80
. And that that is you taking the place of

591
00:47:33,81 --> 00:47:40,46
a lot of issues that yes. It's
pretty effective. It's one page for

592
00:47:40,82 --> 00:47:46,44
Parks and Recreation goal is to conserve
and expand the county's recreational and

593
00:47:46,45 --> 00:47:51,34
scenic areas natural features parks and
open space for the benefit and enjoyment of

594
00:47:51,35 --> 00:47:58,35
the public. That's pretty self-explanatory
and the next one is three point zero

595
00:47:58,36 --> 00:48:04,53
one open space policy is to provide
public access to natural and scenic areas

596
00:48:04,88 --> 00:48:10,03
programs encourage bike trail walkway
easements and subdivision plats to ensure

597
00:48:10,07 --> 00:48:16,56
reasonable access to amenity areas.
Policy be preserve open space and natural

598
00:48:16,57 --> 00:48:20,93
features in private and public development
programs there is encourage the

599
00:48:20,94 --> 00:48:26,65
retention of natural features in the design
and design of subdivisions. Three point

600
00:48:26,66 --> 00:48:32,35
zero two recreation. Policy is adequate
parks and recreation facilities should be

601
00:48:32,36 --> 00:48:37,27
provided to meet the needs of county
residents programs they're encouraged

602
00:48:37,28 --> 00:48:43,68
developers of fringe areas subdivisions
to designate land for parks Number two is

603
00:48:43,69 --> 00:48:47,60
the various county and city department
should work closely together in planning for

604
00:48:47,61 --> 00:48:51,54
future parks and
recreational areas policy B.

605
00:48:52,05 --> 00:48:56,93
Is discourage the conversion or sale of
existing park and public open space lands

606
00:48:56,94 --> 00:49:03,94
to conflicting uses. Under
transportation Mr Goldman can it

607
00:49:03,95 --> 00:49:10,84
we can we go back to recreation.
When we required hock

608
00:49:10,85 --> 00:49:11,50
tree to put in

609
00:49:11,51 --> 00:49:16,16
a park there was that by an ordinance or
was that by this phrasing right here those

610
00:49:16,17 --> 00:49:20,72
because of ordinance it was because of an
ordinance requires it so you do have that

611
00:49:20,73 --> 00:49:25,29
in place yes that was not playing ordinance
excuse me that was done by an agreement

612
00:49:25,30 --> 00:49:30,17
with the would close bond or No nine in
regards to closing of the section line the

613
00:49:30,18 --> 00:49:34,16
land owner in order to close a section
Monday this commission has to find

614
00:49:34,17 --> 00:49:40,90
a public benefit and the county commission
the last. Decade or so has used the land

615
00:49:40,91 --> 00:49:43,67
swaps as that finding

616
00:49:43,68 --> 00:49:49,22
a public benefit. As it was performance
on the show that's true I remember.

617
00:49:55,15 --> 00:50:00,66
Continue. Under transportation the
stablished countywide transportation system

618
00:50:00,67 --> 00:50:04,15
which provides the capacity to move
people in material goods with maximum

619
00:50:04,16 --> 00:50:10,10
efficiency comfort and safety. Four point
zero one automobile maintained roadway

620
00:50:10,11 --> 00:50:11,21
quality in

621
00:50:11,22 --> 00:50:15,60
a sure adequate road wish to serve
President and forecasted traffic demands

622
00:50:15,82 --> 00:50:20,22
programs there require sufficient road
right away wits at the time of the initial

623
00:50:20,23 --> 00:50:24,65
subdivision approval number to roadway
surfaces should be maintained in preserve

624
00:50:24,66 --> 00:50:29,39
for maximum utility number three encourage
rural subdivisions to locate in areas

625
00:50:29,40 --> 00:50:33,00
presently served by roads with can which
can accommodate the additional traffic

626
00:50:33,01 --> 00:50:38,47
load anything under that and you know get
it there may be something you know this

627
00:50:38,48 --> 00:50:44,67
is one area where it's been controversial
in the past but you may want to

628
00:50:45,53 --> 00:50:52,05
consider. Requiring paved roads
to sceptical we have that as

629
00:50:52,27 --> 00:50:57,83
a policy. That's in our
policy we require it.

630
00:51:00,59 --> 00:51:02,89
So I mean if you if you
felt that we needed to have

631
00:51:02,90 --> 00:51:09,31
a line in here that says but already policy.
That's already in the policy I don't

632
00:51:09,32 --> 00:51:15,66
see a policy in here but. I'll make

633
00:51:15,67 --> 00:51:20,34
a note to review. For consistency.

634
00:51:26,16 --> 00:51:27,67
With paving policy.

635
00:51:33,46 --> 00:51:38,84
Under airport. This is one
of these other things

636
00:51:38,85 --> 00:51:44,85
a falls into something that's not really
our. Concern but plan and regulate fringe

637
00:51:44,86 --> 00:51:49,44
growth in the vicinity of Bismarck Municipal
Airport and the programs allow only

638
00:51:49,45 --> 00:51:53,100
compatible land uses within the various
airport noise zones number to follow the

639
00:51:54,01 --> 00:51:58,76
recommendations of the air aircraft noise
impact study and airport master plan.

640
00:52:01,19 --> 00:52:08,08
And or eliminate that I think it is useless
to have it in there put it in there is

641
00:52:08,09 --> 00:52:15,04
useless question mark OK. Let them do
that well it's all that's all within the

642
00:52:15,05 --> 00:52:21,53
city's Gers there but if I made it we now
need to have it in our our comp plan. So

643
00:52:21,54 --> 00:52:22,94
I wrote your source with

644
00:52:22,95 --> 00:52:29,68
a question mark. OK Under business
and industry goal is maintain

645
00:52:29,70 --> 00:52:33,61
a balanced and sustained growth of
commercial industrial and manufacturing

646
00:52:33,61 --> 00:52:39,13
development in the county five point
zero one commercial A the creation or

647
00:52:39,15 --> 00:52:43,48
extension of poorly designed and located
strip commercial the developments will be

648
00:52:43,48 --> 00:52:48,83
discouraged programs number one encourage
highway oriented commercial development

649
00:52:48,85 --> 00:52:53,18
to locate in shopping centers or in
locations served by an interior road system

650
00:52:53,22 --> 00:52:59,46
this is what. Are you going to encourage
it to be in shopping centers or not in

651
00:52:59,50 --> 00:53:00,05
Bismarck.

652
00:53:06,23 --> 00:53:10,28
When when they say commercial development
you know commercial development doesn't

653
00:53:10,29 --> 00:53:11,10
necessarily mean

654
00:53:11,11 --> 00:53:17,72
a retail holding store I mean it's always
in the retail. Doesn't mean retail. Well

655
00:53:17,73 --> 00:53:23,03
even if it does mean retail I mean it could
be machinery dealer Butler machinery or

656
00:53:23,65 --> 00:53:28,92
or truck and they don't want to be downtown
you know they want to be out on the

657
00:53:28,93 --> 00:53:35,13
fringe So I think we need
to. Revise that OK I put

658
00:53:35,14 --> 00:53:39,74
a question I put encouraged question mark
because you don't want to encourage them

659
00:53:40,38 --> 00:53:44,90
going to the shop shopping
centers and then review revise.

660
00:53:52,73 --> 00:53:58,02
To Mr Chairman and A the
initial paragraph on a says

661
00:53:58,03 --> 00:54:02,35
a creation or extension of poorly design
or located strip commercial developments

662
00:54:02,72 --> 00:54:04,80
will be discouraged so that whole section

663
00:54:05,13 --> 00:54:10,99
a want two three four refers to strip
commercial developments that doesn't mean

664
00:54:11,00 --> 00:54:13,42
machinery dealers that's
taken care of down

665
00:54:13,43 --> 00:54:20,37
a number five point zero
two. Point zero right now

666
00:54:21,29 --> 00:54:25,59
yeah industry and it talks about I am
necessarily it this is commercial here this

667
00:54:25,60 --> 00:54:32,06
is manual but underneath under the. Five
point zero one eight is referring to

668
00:54:32,59 --> 00:54:39,10
strip centers located strip commercial
developments. Will be discouraged

669
00:54:39,53 --> 00:54:39,88
Let's have

670
00:54:39,89 --> 00:54:44,22
a look at it why do we want to discourage
them OK all right and why disappeared.

671
00:54:47,43 --> 00:54:51,49
I can see poorly designed while we don't
want of courage poorly designed anything I

672
00:54:51,50 --> 00:54:55,50
think one of the one of the converses it
was probably haven't been in this regard

673
00:54:55,51 --> 00:55:00,12
is is what does it really mean to discourage
or and curry right great you know we

674
00:55:00,16 --> 00:55:03,20
say well we don't want to do
that but we're not making

675
00:55:03,21 --> 00:55:04,48
a rule against others it's just

676
00:55:04,49 --> 00:55:11,16
a recommendation. OK policy be
promote the quality growth of

677
00:55:11,17 --> 00:55:13,81
commercial uses. Eliminate

678
00:55:13,82 --> 00:55:18,25
a needed or inappropriate commercial
zoning provide for commercial expansion by

679
00:55:18,26 --> 00:55:22,80
zoning areas which are suitable for
such uses number three ensure that all

680
00:55:22,81 --> 00:55:26,46
commercial development provides adequate
off street parking spaces circulation

681
00:55:26,47 --> 00:55:30,65
patterns and loading access before
commercial facilities should be designed to

682
00:55:30,66 --> 00:55:34,89
enhance the appearance of the surrounding
area five buffers should be provided

683
00:55:34,90 --> 00:55:39,50
between commercial development no adjacent
land uses number six encourage the

684
00:55:39,51 --> 00:55:44,29
growth of commercial uses within or
adjacent to the county's communities.

685
00:55:46,18 --> 00:55:52,40
When they say it Jason two and.
That's always been one of my.

686
00:55:53,74 --> 00:55:59,87
If you it's you know you take. Like I
just called West on anymore but West Conn

687
00:55:59,97 --> 00:56:06,03
used to be West and. Some of
these type of businesses.

688
00:56:07,35 --> 00:56:08,17
That require

689
00:56:08,19 --> 00:56:14,80
a lot of. Square foot your ground
space. They can't afford to come into

690
00:56:14,81 --> 00:56:18,51
Bismarck and buy that much
ground space and have

691
00:56:18,52 --> 00:56:25,26
a bio built business so they need to be
outside of the city limits and outside into

692
00:56:25,27 --> 00:56:29,91
the colony of weather and they shouldn't
have to go closer to mine open to do this

693
00:56:29,92 --> 00:56:36,48
so. I don't know I think we
want to watch how we word that

694
00:56:36,79 --> 00:56:39,77
OK. Make

695
00:56:39,78 --> 00:56:45,81
a note here but we're doing. When you
say within or adjacent to the counties

696
00:56:45,82 --> 00:56:50,87
communities what they're saying is you know
close to Baldwin or close to Wilton or

697
00:56:50,88 --> 00:56:55,36
close to Bismarck close to Lincoln that
don't necessarily have to be that I'm just

698
00:56:55,37 --> 00:56:58,97
Wisconsin example they needed to be out
there because they need some room you know

699
00:56:59,07 --> 00:57:03,12
and there's all kinds of businesses that
would like to try to do that so I don't

700
00:57:03,13 --> 00:57:09,79
know if we'll you know rate out on
the West common example needing more

701
00:57:09,80 --> 00:57:16,45
ground space more. More land.

702
00:57:21,53 --> 00:57:25,32
Mr Chairman is there anything in there that
says we should encourage them to locate

703
00:57:25,32 --> 00:57:31,42
. Within the M P O's jurisdiction are

704
00:57:31,81 --> 00:57:38,02
within major thoroughfares Is there anything
in there that refers to that he's good

705
00:57:38,03 --> 00:57:41,88
I mean we should be encouraging them to
go along Highway eighty three Highway ten

706
00:57:41,90 --> 00:57:47,30
and. If you know four and all
that have age and border is it in

707
00:57:47,63 --> 00:57:51,60
a major major thoroughfares whatever you
want to it couldn't be niggas that docking

708
00:57:51,61 --> 00:57:54,15
was written in one thousand nine hundred
one so it didn't know what the M.P.O.

709
00:57:54,16 --> 00:58:00,86
Was. We should revise
maybe look at that for

710
00:58:00,87 --> 00:58:07,15
most of promote the quality growth of
commercial areas commercial uses we should be

711
00:58:07,59 --> 00:58:11,25
to really look at it without all
the like it was because the M.P.O.

712
00:58:11,26 --> 00:58:17,51
Has. You know we do study and we're sure
that will require ideal as required so we

713
00:58:17,52 --> 00:58:21,74
should be this whole
section. Referred the M.P.O.

714
00:58:21,86 --> 00:58:28,86
Requirements and. Encourage development
within major thoroughfares we don't want

715
00:58:28,87 --> 00:58:34,25
spot zoning out here in the middle of
nowhere for us. You know the other N.P.O.

716
00:58:34,26 --> 00:58:37,42
Was required once we had fifty thousand
and that's how we get our federal and any

717
00:58:37,43 --> 00:58:44,12
federal money and anything very of utilizing
major thoroughfares. There Procrit.

718
00:58:46,71 --> 00:58:53,20
You know. Anything else under that one oh

719
00:58:53,79 --> 00:58:59,100
let's go down one more and you find it
right there for manufacturing. Go ahead OK

720
00:59:00,42 --> 00:59:05,20
promote the quality growth of manufacturing
and industrial uses program one

721
00:59:05,21 --> 00:59:10,24
encourage industry to locate in planned
manufacturing and industrial parks to

722
00:59:10,25 --> 00:59:15,63
manufacturing and industrial uses should
be located convenient to transportation

723
00:59:15,68 --> 00:59:22,16
syllabi. OK so. OK I'll finish it
buffer shall be provided between

724
00:59:22,17 --> 00:59:26,59
manufacturing and industrial development
Jason land uses number four ensure the

725
00:59:26,60 --> 00:59:30,95
sufficient off street parking and loading
spaces provided there are five encourages

726
00:59:30,96 --> 00:59:37,79
screening of outside storage of material
and equipment. So did you want me to

727
00:59:37,80 --> 00:59:41,16
back up and cross out some of that no
earliest let them look at it because why

728
00:59:41,17 --> 00:59:44,39
would there be two different sections if
they're dealing the same thing really.

729
00:59:46,95 --> 00:59:47,27
I'll make

730
00:59:47,28 --> 00:59:54,13
a note of that also why two different
sections. Once talking about commercial

731
00:59:54,14 --> 00:59:55,84
uses the others talking
about man you may have

732
00:59:55,85 --> 01:00:01,63
a factory it could be all wrapped into one
or. It seems like it's almost the same

733
01:00:01,64 --> 01:00:08,17
thing these days. OK six the
cities and services to develop and

734
01:00:08,18 --> 01:00:12,58
maintain the facilities and services to
meet the county's cultural educational

735
01:00:12,59 --> 01:00:18,87
health and social needs six point zero one
Services policy is provide the necessary

736
01:00:18,88 --> 01:00:25,72
health care and educational services
and facilities for area residents. I

737
01:00:26,17 --> 01:00:30,13
don't know the counties involved in that
six that I got at Mark I don't know what

738
01:00:30,14 --> 01:00:34,46
we're doing in there because that's all our
health services are in the cities right

739
01:00:34,46 --> 01:00:38,07
. On the we do want to have

740
01:00:38,08 --> 01:00:42,51
a healthy dose of not County Health City
our county health department works with

741
01:00:42,68 --> 01:00:48,95
all around the school districts and but
you look at down to the three different.

742
01:00:50,69 --> 01:00:56,40
One two and three health care sort of invoke
is the permitting and I don't like the

743
01:00:56,40 --> 01:01:01,87
. Self says provide the necessary health
care and education all services what are

744
01:01:01,88 --> 01:01:08,38
we wrapping ourselves into there right
are we providing necessary health care

745
01:01:10,09 --> 01:01:16,51
for Area rest is. Not well what do we
provide through Burley county health.

746
01:01:17,86 --> 01:01:23,37
A lot of services are not required to. We
are through the county on this weekend

747
01:01:23,38 --> 01:01:29,50
and they provide services to all of us
people that if. We're not required to

748
01:01:30,47 --> 01:01:34,13
this says provide the necessary health care
and educational services and facilities

749
01:01:34,14 --> 01:01:41,12
I probably should. Probably
just look at. OK What do you

750
01:01:41,13 --> 01:01:44,99
want to just well let's talk let's talk to
Berkeley County Health and see what they

751
01:01:45,36 --> 01:01:49,13
think of that second would you be able
to follow up on that there on your next

752
01:01:49,14 --> 01:01:54,72
meeting here and then get back to
me on that we can add it to. Make

753
01:01:54,73 --> 01:02:01,72
a no burly County Health in line I

754
01:02:01,74 --> 01:02:05,11
don't know if we need promote expansion
medical facilities mid-month basically do

755
01:02:05,12 --> 01:02:09,85
a clean out there and I think that is fine
and then three is study the problem the

756
01:02:09,86 --> 01:02:15,34
school district boundary conflict between
city in rural districts. I don't know if

757
01:02:15,35 --> 01:02:20,44
that was ever studied that don't need
to be in our comp plan. I think we.

758
01:02:22,71 --> 01:02:29,20
Should remove. OK And that's

759
01:02:29,21 --> 01:02:35,80
a number three. I don't and as far as number
two do we have any business promoting

760
01:02:35,81 --> 01:02:42,03
the continued expansion of medical facilities
in Bismarck No I don't think you know

761
01:02:42,04 --> 01:02:48,11
we are building. We
remove recommend removal.

762
01:02:49,37 --> 01:02:51,96
Of policy be maintain

763
01:02:51,97 --> 01:02:55,47
a level of police and fire protection to
meet the security needs of the county

764
01:02:55,48 --> 01:02:58,62
citizens programs number one encourage

765
01:02:58,63 --> 01:03:03,11
a consolidation of local law enforcement
operations when feasible number to permit

766
01:03:03,12 --> 01:03:07,25
a level of rural development that will not
strain the counties ability to provide

767
01:03:07,26 --> 01:03:13,59
adequate police and fire protection.
Anything on that six point zero two

768
01:03:13,60 --> 01:03:14,86
facilities provide

769
01:03:14,87 --> 01:03:19,53
a level of government services needed by
county residents. Program one support

770
01:03:19,54 --> 01:03:23,77
attempts to combine city and county offices
into one administrative center when

771
01:03:23,78 --> 01:03:29,09
feasible which is what we have here now
number two is governmental facility should

772
01:03:29,10 --> 01:03:34,59
be located so as to allow convenient access
from the surrounding area. And number

773
01:03:34,60 --> 01:03:39,77
three is encourage rural water systems
outside Bismarck suburban service area See

774
01:03:39,78 --> 01:03:45,85
map on page thirty. Hundred urban
fringe growth on page eight

775
01:03:46,73 --> 01:03:53,25
it says encourage orderly development of
the urban fringe area the fringe land uses

776
01:03:54,27 --> 01:03:58,39
discourage high density development beyond
the corporate limits of the communities

777
01:03:58,40 --> 01:04:03,27
of the county. Here again when you when you
talk about this now we're talking back

778
01:04:03,28 --> 01:04:09,73
into that for my own jurisdiction and we
don't really have any say in that anymore

779
01:04:09,74 --> 01:04:14,45
so I don't know if that needs to be in
there. They didn't have the when the next

780
01:04:14,46 --> 01:04:18,54
a territory ago and it was in the ninety
seven and they always said Who miles it

781
01:04:18,55 --> 01:04:19,19
was said to having

782
01:04:19,20 --> 01:04:25,73
a four miles the one that had been. In two
thousand and twenty two thousand and one

783
01:04:25,74 --> 01:04:29,62
or two somewhere now and actually I don't
know why I would want to discourage high

784
01:04:29,63 --> 01:04:33,33
density development with cost of land the
reason that you wouldn't want to hide

785
01:04:33,34 --> 01:04:37,93
that high density development out in the
county is because of septic systems but

786
01:04:37,94 --> 01:04:43,88
nowadays you have upgraded systems where
you can have like down south on the south

787
01:04:43,89 --> 01:04:48,07
side of Bismarck here is that Imperial
Valley where they have their own lagoon and

788
01:04:48,08 --> 01:04:52,90
their own thing Apple Valley Apple Valley
the same another area but we've got them

789
01:04:52,91 --> 01:04:57,98
sort through and so you know high dent
higher density development is not

790
01:04:57,99 --> 01:05:04,22
a problem if it's handled properly and I
think we break it down in the ordinances

791
01:05:04,23 --> 01:05:09,40
that if you have water if you have buyer
and safety if you have road. To check off

792
01:05:09,41 --> 01:05:12,55
list that we always go through
that's what's broken down to know.

793
01:05:16,26 --> 01:05:19,67
OK Number one is carefully evaluate the
number and location of farmers on the

794
01:05:19,68 --> 01:05:24,10
ministration housing proposals in rural
areas number two promote growth in the

795
01:05:24,11 --> 01:05:28,22
existing communities of the county
number three discourage rezoning and

796
01:05:28,23 --> 01:05:31,98
subdivisions beyond the urban transition
area unless they are but previously

797
01:05:31,99 --> 01:05:37,64
nonagricultural his own
properties here. To.

798
01:05:39,20 --> 01:05:45,44
Be set up beyond the urban transitional
area and we've done that in servile cases

799
01:05:45,52 --> 01:05:52,47
and I've always been into the
feeling that if these are rural

800
01:05:52,48 --> 01:05:58,63
subdivisions follow the main. Artery such
as Highway eighty three or eighteen or

801
01:05:58,64 --> 01:06:05,52
for highway tan. And they have pavement
to them I think we should be allowed

802
01:06:05,53 --> 01:06:12,06
they don't even know. What's the difference
if they are joining or closer to

803
01:06:12,07 --> 01:06:16,74
Bismarck or five miles away that's that's
up to the choice of the citizens as I

804
01:06:16,75 --> 01:06:22,07
think I think we need to allow that when
you say discourage subdivisions beyond the

805
01:06:22,11 --> 01:06:26,16
urban transitional area unless they are
previously nonagricultural its own

806
01:06:26,17 --> 01:06:32,90
properties but we could also use add
something located on paved roads

807
01:06:33,22 --> 01:06:37,86
I think it's revise put rebuys and look
at that Mr and I'd like to look at the

808
01:06:37,87 --> 01:06:42,83
whole first six because it says.

809
01:06:44,62 --> 01:06:51,49
Discourage new subdivisions which are going
to are going to want to. Outside the

810
01:06:51,50 --> 01:06:56,09
transitional only are one residential
district rezoning requests will be considered

811
01:06:56,47 --> 01:07:00,11
unless the need is clearly demonstrated
by the applicant I'd like to look at that

812
01:07:00,69 --> 01:07:05,95
that's been changed by
ordinance. That's Number six.

813
01:07:08,57 --> 01:07:15,55
Review that we're doing is there yeah. And

814
01:07:15,56 --> 01:07:16,36
we put revise

815
01:07:16,37 --> 01:07:23,20
a number three. OK

816
01:07:23,70 --> 01:07:28,96
so the number seven. Really come to recognize
the city's opera form of government

817
01:07:28,97 --> 01:07:32,77
best able to handle rapid growth and
urbanization therefore the county will

818
01:07:32,78 --> 01:07:36,26
encourage future development to locate
within or near existing cities in order to

819
01:07:36,27 --> 01:07:40,55
control urban sprawl to control excessive
excessive costs for servicing urban

820
01:07:40,56 --> 01:07:45,24
communities to maintain productive agricultural
land and to provide for orderly go

821
01:07:45,29 --> 01:07:49,67
growth in all of the county really
County will continue to emphasize

822
01:07:49,68 --> 01:07:55,45
a cultural economic base I think I
wouldn't revise I'd say reconsider as we

823
01:07:55,46 --> 01:08:00,36
consider. This kind of missions.

824
01:08:02,100 --> 01:08:09,98
OK policy be Mr Chairman.
Do we need anything

825
01:08:09,99 --> 01:08:15,09
that needs to look at riverfront
development. Well you'd have to look at the

826
01:08:15,10 --> 01:08:15,71
ordinance

827
01:08:17,47 --> 01:08:22,13
a lot of that's covered by ordinance now
and floodplain ordinance and. That's

828
01:08:22,14 --> 01:08:26,40
ordinances but I like number three says
Dicker is resigning in subdivision beyond

829
01:08:26,41 --> 01:08:31,85
the urban transmission area while that urban
transmission marrying only goes couple

830
01:08:31,86 --> 01:08:35,99
miles north of the city in that equipped
so that means we're discouraging all

831
01:08:36,00 --> 01:08:42,27
development along the river north of that
line is that what we wanted to know and.

832
01:08:44,46 --> 01:08:51,14
I think we should say in my opinion would
be we don't want to discourage that it

833
01:08:51,15 --> 01:08:54,68
needs to be if you're going to develop it
has to be developed in accordance with

834
01:08:54,69 --> 01:08:58,27
the floodplain ordinances so it's up there
safe the roads are high where we don't

835
01:08:58,28 --> 01:09:05,14
have those kind of problems but
when those things are met. That's

836
01:09:05,88 --> 01:09:10,42
what language you want to write down their
journey and just look at it and see what

837
01:09:10,43 --> 01:09:16,93
they what they recommend. Look at. Two
because there's nothing in there referring

838
01:09:16,94 --> 01:09:22,94
to riverfront developer river
to include. Maybe we don't want

839
01:09:22,95 --> 01:09:27,35
a thing separate from that I don't know.
And Jim's place was only one on the river

840
01:09:27,36 --> 01:09:30,30
when they rode it so. They did

841
01:09:30,31 --> 01:09:36,97
a good job they did so look at to include
riverfront to allow development is that

842
01:09:37,82 --> 01:09:41,96
well that number three says anything beyond
an airgun transmission area and that to

843
01:09:41,97 --> 01:09:47,85
me is. Awfully restrictive IME time
of the all the way around the.

844
01:09:49,50 --> 01:09:55,63
Urban raised in the the urban transition
area. Will make for the NO them overly

845
01:09:55,64 --> 01:10:01,20
restrictive. Let's let's make

846
01:10:01,21 --> 01:10:06,12
a rule once where we can actually help
people do something. Instead of the

847
01:10:06,13 --> 01:10:08,82
researching him and
discouraging them I'll make

848
01:10:08,83 --> 01:10:15,63
a note of that. Car room you
should read the hundred

849
01:10:15,64 --> 01:10:20,75
eighty six pages of Gordon and says I've
read some of it will help people who will

850
01:10:20,76 --> 01:10:21,13
be here for

851
01:10:21,14 --> 01:10:28,13
a week. We'll get to that later.
Only if your home beats it and yeah

852
01:10:28,19 --> 01:10:31,61
I discourage efforts to increase the
number of missed municipalities or special

853
01:10:31,62 --> 01:10:37,32
service districts near existing communities
that would this here come from this

854
01:10:37,33 --> 01:10:44,28
policy news programs. Comes from
back in the seventy's when Lincoln

855
01:10:44,55 --> 01:10:44,89
became

856
01:10:44,90 --> 01:10:49,91
a minister Paluxy and it bothered Bismarck
big time they didn't want no more cities

857
01:10:49,92 --> 01:10:52,94
growing up around. So that's
where this comes from.

858
01:10:57,38 --> 01:10:59,21
You know over in Minneapolis they have

859
01:10:59,22 --> 01:11:04,08
a ton the suburbs. They seem to get along
just fine I know but that's where this

860
01:11:04,09 --> 01:11:08,38
comes from one that we can incorporate and
you probably remember some of that was

861
01:11:08,39 --> 01:11:14,28
an article today on Lincoln and I haven't
made the analogy is much I think it was

862
01:11:14,29 --> 01:11:20,88
that it was. Try one time to
become. East Bismarck for that

863
01:11:21,25 --> 01:11:25,67
Bob that. Sort of where
this all comes should I put

864
01:11:25,68 --> 01:11:31,97
a note in there that was going on I don't
need to do we need this let's let's

865
01:11:31,98 --> 01:11:35,77
reconsider reconsider. Seems like

866
01:11:35,82 --> 01:11:42,14
a good word for the. Policy

867
01:11:43,01 --> 01:11:46,36
create an urban service area around
Bismarck to accommodate the short range

868
01:11:46,37 --> 01:11:53,19
expansion the city. This
gets into that horrible

869
01:11:53,20 --> 01:11:57,08
service of session of the city commission
shall determine its ability to extend

870
01:11:57,09 --> 01:12:01,17
services into the urban service area encourage
growth and development within their

871
01:12:01,18 --> 01:12:05,30
urban service area and the existing
communities of the county agricultural

872
01:12:05,31 --> 01:12:09,07
productivity data for soils will not be
considered in processing subdivision

873
01:12:09,08 --> 01:12:13,41
applications within the urban
surgery that's all done refer to

874
01:12:13,42 --> 01:12:17,56
a citizen rate but the only thing that
is in here is the thing that really is

875
01:12:17,57 --> 01:12:23,92
important to us is number four that's large
lot subdivision Platts within the urban

876
01:12:23,93 --> 01:12:28,50
service area regardless of what we call
that but large lot subdivision plans within

877
01:12:28,50 --> 01:12:33,20
that area will delineate the future
replanting of lots when I next to the city

878
01:12:33,45 --> 01:12:40,32
that's your ghost planning going
about OK so that that is probably. I

879
01:12:40,33 --> 01:12:45,73
think we could eliminate everything up to
that and keep that one some form because

880
01:12:45,74 --> 01:12:51,17
that is the important I think the most
blatting should be when when we develop real

881
01:12:51,18 --> 01:12:53,51
subdivisions not that
we need a ghost but as

882
01:12:53,52 --> 01:12:58,04
a city grows to it right is that what
you're saying. We need we need that number

883
01:12:58,05 --> 01:13:04,77
four is very important we'll call it
go splatting but. So no ghost busting

884
01:13:05,18 --> 01:13:12,03
no for. You know making note

885
01:13:12,04 --> 01:13:17,03
that. Everything up till there consider.

886
01:13:18,94 --> 01:13:25,76
Deleting. The

887
01:13:25,77 --> 01:13:32,54
next page. And. When planting
subdivisions developed tracts of land

888
01:13:32,55 --> 01:13:36,97
adjacent to the proposal are encouraged
to join in the plan number six the

889
01:13:36,98 --> 01:13:39,75
boundaries of the urban service
area will be adjusted as

890
01:13:39,76 --> 01:13:44,82
a silly city's ability to provide
services is determined I missed.

891
01:13:46,48 --> 01:13:52,38
That one doesn't the binary of their
been service area whenever they annex

892
01:13:52,39 --> 01:13:57,45
something it just goes on other MY it
doesn't it keep on No I don't think so. For

893
01:13:57,46 --> 01:13:59,18
an expansion or movement and that's just

894
01:13:59,19 --> 01:14:03,76
a mapping function I think that urban
service area is everybody is very very it

895
01:14:03,77 --> 01:14:08,37
means that's where they can provide solar
water right where they expect to provide

896
01:14:08,38 --> 01:14:12,89
service that in the near future or within
five ten years or something but like we

897
01:14:12,90 --> 01:14:17,89
talked before that line has been way out
there for quite some time and nothing has

898
01:14:17,90 --> 01:14:21,80
happened so whether it needs to be there.

899
01:14:26,46 --> 01:14:30,83
I think that's one overall concept that
left out the Planning Commission take

900
01:14:30,84 --> 01:14:37,38
a look at is that urban service think about
review under the urban service areas.

901
01:14:39,52 --> 01:14:44,63
Extraterritorial area in your view now
right. Pretty much on that I mean these are

902
01:14:44,64 --> 01:14:45,24
not right and he's

903
01:14:45,25 --> 01:14:48,49
a majority that we're going to have less
influence in the zero two than we do in

904
01:14:48,50 --> 01:14:55,06
the two or Right exactly so. Why
are we talking about these things

905
01:14:55,43 --> 01:14:59,39
outside that area and how we're going to
apply if somebody wants to build like say

906
01:14:59,40 --> 01:15:06,26
one hundred forty ninth which is outside
of the four mile area and. How do we. Well

907
01:15:06,39 --> 01:15:09,45
that's not ribbon service right and then
you got to get that wording out of there

908
01:15:09,46 --> 01:15:13,67
then right outside the extraterritorial
area maybe I don't I'm just trying to come

909
01:15:13,68 --> 01:15:19,60
up number on page nine number under programs
and policy says the bodies of their

910
01:15:19,61 --> 01:15:26,59
been transitionary will be adjusted as
the city's corporate limits expand. And

911
01:15:26,60 --> 01:15:29,13
a number and the number six
at the top of that page is

912
01:15:29,14 --> 01:15:32,15
a bond reserve the urban service
area will be adjusted as

913
01:15:32,16 --> 01:15:38,48
a Cod's ability to provide services
determine those are. Contradictory really

914
01:15:38,49 --> 01:15:41,89
aren't they I think assume
is and is the next E.T.A.

915
01:15:41,90 --> 01:15:47,65
Moves out. Of status by ordinance so
they have to physically move it with an

916
01:15:47,66 --> 01:15:53,33
ordinance but it has it could get it can
be moved like that I think the whole urban

917
01:15:53,34 --> 01:15:58,04
service area everything relative to that
urban service area should be reviewed and

918
01:15:58,08 --> 01:16:02,29
yet either you know they are going
to monitor whatever. I think that's

919
01:16:02,30 --> 01:16:07,21
a pretty clear the terminology is adequate
Right right and that's clearly what the

920
01:16:07,22 --> 01:16:13,81
board of saying here so. OK And and you're
probably talking about the same thing

921
01:16:13,82 --> 01:16:17,61
with this with respect to this next one
to then create an urban transition area

922
01:16:17,71 --> 01:16:22,11
around Bismarck to provide for the desire
for rural residential lifestyle as well

923
01:16:22,12 --> 01:16:27,35
as long range growth of the city. That's
that's really out of our hand right does

924
01:16:27,36 --> 01:16:29,69
it eat exactly because of the E.T.A.

925
01:16:29,70 --> 01:16:36,52
Already done that you know. Over and that's
what they're talking about that four

926
01:16:36,53 --> 01:16:42,07
mile jurisdictional area basically need to
be great so the next two pages basically

927
01:16:42,08 --> 01:16:47,27
talk about the urban service or you have
the urban transition area all the way down

928
01:16:47,28 --> 01:16:50,82
to the bottom of page ten
Sure and execution right.

929
01:16:56,38 --> 01:16:57,66
We should just put

930
01:16:57,67 --> 01:17:00,98
a question mark on the hopeful both
those sections yeah I'll do that.

931
01:17:06,31 --> 01:17:07,10
OK I have

932
01:17:07,11 --> 01:17:13,59
a real three forty eight that they're. OK
Under annexation then move to the bottom

933
01:17:13,60 --> 01:17:20,45
of page ten seven point zero two.
Areas urban in character are

934
01:17:20,46 --> 01:17:24,65
encouraged to become an annex
to the adjacent municipality.

935
01:17:28,27 --> 01:17:31,92
Program their plats will be approved with
the understanding that they should be

936
01:17:31,93 --> 01:17:37,64
annexed as the city's corporate limits
expand. The number two city limit should be

937
01:17:37,65 --> 01:17:41,81
comprehensively extended as extension of
municipal services becomes feasible and

938
01:17:41,82 --> 01:17:47,01
desirable to all parties involved number
three large vacant tracts of land if

939
01:17:47,02 --> 01:17:47,55
annexed by

940
01:17:47,56 --> 01:17:52,84
a city should retain the extraterritorial
zoning designation that was one that I

941
01:17:52,85 --> 01:17:53,70
thought didn't really make

942
01:17:53,71 --> 01:17:59,79
a whole lot of sense because it's outside
of our. It's out of our control once it

943
01:17:59,80 --> 01:18:04,46
gets annexed into the city anyway
even even with the extra territorial.

944
01:18:09,69 --> 01:18:13,76
Circle number three. Just to review it.

945
01:18:17,34 --> 01:18:22,05
So under sewer services
and facilities. Policy

946
01:18:22,06 --> 01:18:27,79
a plan in construct public services to
guide development patterns one allow only

947
01:18:27,80 --> 01:18:32,51
annex land to be served by city services
number to discourage development from

948
01:18:32,52 --> 01:18:37,55
locations which will substantially
increase public service costs number three

949
01:18:37,56 --> 01:18:42,43
encourage rural water and central service
sewer service to be installed in all

950
01:18:42,44 --> 01:18:47,41
communities of the county number four small
lot development higher density than our

951
01:18:47,42 --> 01:18:51,57
one residential standard shall not be allowed
outside incorporated areas unless it

952
01:18:51,58 --> 01:18:55,84
provides for utility services
equivalent urban standards that's

953
01:18:55,85 --> 01:18:58,38
a pretty important that that speaks

954
01:18:58,39 --> 01:19:05,40
a lot to that. You know
community WATERS Mr. K.

955
01:19:05,41 --> 01:19:09,97
Streets and roads. Coordinate the master
planning of all roads within the county

956
01:19:10,44 --> 01:19:10,53
has

957
01:19:10,54 --> 01:19:14,82
a policy number one roads within subdivisions
that are in the urban service area should

958
01:19:14,83 --> 01:19:19,44
be considered future city streets number
two roads in rural subdivisions been

959
01:19:19,45 --> 01:19:22,73
constructed to county standards for
subdivisions and approved by the county shall

960
01:19:22,74 --> 01:19:26,82
be dedicated for public use unless an
exception is recommended by the County

961
01:19:26,83 --> 01:19:32,77
Planning Commission or county commission
number three road isn't government. Why

962
01:19:32,78 --> 01:19:38,78
would the County Planning Commission and
I section is recommended by the County

963
01:19:38,79 --> 01:19:43,97
Planning Commission. I would think that if
somebody came in in want to private road

964
01:19:44,40 --> 01:19:48,29
would have to prove that they have come to
the plank mission come here it will Cain

965
01:19:48,33 --> 01:19:52,74
long as it still comes here only don't say
the war it says or county commissioner

966
01:19:52,75 --> 01:19:53,65
they can come directly they got

967
01:19:53,66 --> 01:20:00,22
a commission to I suppose if they wanted
to. Maybe I should say or approved by the

968
01:20:00,23 --> 01:20:03,34
Carnegie Yeah as a dry lemonade
or anything right nation is

969
01:20:03,35 --> 01:20:08,58
a conduit. Lesson Excel
exception is you know.

970
01:20:10,23 --> 01:20:16,02
Is granted by the county
commission. Right.

971
01:20:17,86 --> 01:20:19,41
Let's just have this could be done in

972
01:20:19,42 --> 01:20:25,49
a way. Like they do when. I know as other
areas of the country they do it in

973
01:20:25,50 --> 01:20:30,73
a real subdivision and I would be you
could have a real subdivision become

974
01:20:30,74 --> 01:20:35,23
a public private in development take care
of their own morals and actually that

975
01:20:35,24 --> 01:20:35,42
would be

976
01:20:35,43 --> 01:20:41,25
a good thing. To talk to Marcus is he still
here I think if you got bored of agree

977
01:20:41,26 --> 01:20:45,05
with that one percent and that's
what they do out in Minnesota in

978
01:20:45,06 --> 01:20:48,51
a Los cases they don't take care of the
subdivisions they let them do it you know

979
01:20:49,14 --> 01:20:56,04
so I don't I think maybe we
should. Review for Shelby gave

980
01:20:56,05 --> 01:21:00,90
him. Roads in the old
Soviet truck and woods with

981
01:21:00,91 --> 01:21:07,66
a summary. Future creates religion
or will be planted in conformity

982
01:21:07,84 --> 01:21:12,02
religious in or something should be
maintained that you don't see it or he says

983
01:21:12,03 --> 01:21:16,39
roads within rural subdivision should
be maintained by the developer township

984
01:21:16,40 --> 01:21:21,73
government or by contract with the county
that addresses that right and so we could

985
01:21:21,74 --> 01:21:25,76
be doing that or eighty five encourage
the formation of special assessment

986
01:21:25,77 --> 01:21:29,89
districts to pave roads within rural
subdivisions number six the city county

987
01:21:29,90 --> 01:21:33,91
planning department shall exercise final
approval of proposed names in new

988
01:21:33,92 --> 01:21:39,05
subdivisions seven new subdivision plats
must be accompanied by approved master

989
01:21:39,06 --> 01:21:45,30
road plan for the adjacent area. Anything
else on that on the environment we need

990
01:21:45,31 --> 01:21:51,71
to have the. City clinic County Planning
Department call the element of our

991
01:21:52,55 --> 01:21:57,34
final approval for pros names they aren't
even involved in our comp plan the city

992
01:21:57,35 --> 01:22:03,28
county right development community that's
why it's an official to have that one

993
01:22:03,29 --> 01:22:06,15
office doing that right now
mainly because they have

994
01:22:06,16 --> 01:22:12,31
a list of all of the names that have already
been granted so that. I don't know if

995
01:22:12,33 --> 01:22:18,55
you want to call it city county planning
partment that's what I'm. With. Community

996
01:22:18,56 --> 01:22:24,02
Development the benefit there is that they
do have that list to centralize so you

997
01:22:24,03 --> 01:22:30,52
don't have to Washington streets we did the
streets and every development. Thing I

998
01:22:30,53 --> 01:22:34,51
love is when we have the two roads the
different names come together through good

999
01:22:34,52 --> 01:22:38,10
planning. Kills distressing.

1000
01:22:42,30 --> 01:22:42,58
K.

1001
01:22:42,59 --> 01:22:47,79
Environment wonder goal emphasize environmental
consideration as major factors in the

1002
01:22:47,80 --> 01:22:54,46
decision making process. Eight zero one
natural in the story features policy is

1003
01:22:54,47 --> 01:22:58,36
identify and preserve important natural
in the story features in Burley county

1004
01:22:58,76 --> 01:23:02,14
programs the planning department with
assistance from the state storable society

1005
01:23:02,15 --> 01:23:05,70
should document the important historical
features in the county that were to

1006
01:23:05,71 --> 01:23:10,10
develop developers will be encouraged to
retain the natural say characteristics in

1007
01:23:10,11 --> 01:23:14,25
their subdivisions number three preservation
of historical natural features will be

1008
01:23:14,26 --> 01:23:20,48
important as part of the development
review process anything on that one. Eight

1009
01:23:20,49 --> 01:23:24,02
zero two agriculture policy
a burly County contains

1010
01:23:24,03 --> 01:23:28,36
a variety of productive agricultural
soil types which should not be lost on

1011
01:23:28,37 --> 01:23:33,32
necessarily to the development of rural
subdivisions programs number one outside of

1012
01:23:33,33 --> 01:23:38,08
the Bismarck urban service area use S.C.'s
soil survey information when considering

1013
01:23:38,09 --> 01:23:42,97
zoning and subdivision requests number to
encourage rural residential development

1014
01:23:42,98 --> 01:23:47,92
is needed to locate outside of productive
agricultural areas that are yeah yeah

1015
01:23:48,14 --> 01:23:54,75
because I don't think we do that and we
don't reconsider any soil surveys we know

1016
01:23:55,74 --> 01:24:02,39
I don't know if it ever happened. We
consider possibly delete. We do soil

1017
01:24:02,40 --> 01:24:03,54
surveys every gram we put

1018
01:24:03,55 --> 01:24:09,52
a septic and. Soil test out of our
septic rights terms but this is

1019
01:24:09,53 --> 01:24:14,04
a very very little production agriculture
Right right right in the kind of areas

1020
01:24:14,05 --> 01:24:19,15
that we're talking more. If you're going
to consider that it wouldn't prove

1021
01:24:19,16 --> 01:24:25,21
anything. Really that's the end of it
gentlemen nice special math at the end Well

1022
01:24:25,22 --> 01:24:29,63
that's that urban service in one thousand
anyway is that the is that the easy one

1023
01:24:29,64 --> 01:24:33,29
map Yep Yeah that's a one man saw just put

1024
01:24:33,30 --> 01:24:39,01
a great big review in that. They've got
the maps upstairs haven't you look at

1025
01:24:39,02 --> 01:24:43,75
a major show you the urban
service areas. I think that's

1026
01:24:43,76 --> 01:24:50,61
a good start. You could take that back to
the planning. Of the Planning Commission

1027
01:24:50,62 --> 01:24:53,28
and let them go with it now you know a lot

1028
01:24:53,29 --> 01:24:56,40
a lot of the things outside of you know
what we wanted to review and change the

1029
01:24:56,41 --> 01:25:03,26
language are still really pert early.
Christmas strong if you want to make

1030
01:25:03,27 --> 01:25:09,62
some suggestions for adding things. I
would do that the that OK Mr Chairman go

1031
01:25:09,63 --> 01:25:15,76
ahead. You know that document we just read
from was nice to go through again this

1032
01:25:15,77 --> 01:25:20,04
from one thousand nine hundred one and I
mean that's the biggest biggest problem we

1033
01:25:20,05 --> 01:25:23,85
have with it the other thing you might want
to also mark down if you take it to the

1034
01:25:23,99 --> 01:25:29,37
to the folks upstairs is that you know the
sections don't match up at all with our

1035
01:25:29,38 --> 01:25:34,99
ordinances Section eight you go to Section
eight in our ordinances and it's special

1036
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:36,84
uses and you know it's not

1037
01:25:36,85 --> 01:25:41,46
a match up so somehow we're going to use
that as the basis of what we have for

1038
01:25:41,47 --> 01:25:44,52
ordinances we would need to do that in the
Ardennes is one hundred ninety six pages

1039
01:25:44,53 --> 01:25:48,68
long we don't allow mobile homes and I was
adopted in one thousand nine hundred by

1040
01:25:48,69 --> 01:25:53,71
previous commission so as this one along
people kept coming to the commission and

1041
01:25:53,75 --> 01:25:59,73
asking for special uses or or any of
that but I'd like to just entertain this

1042
01:25:59,74 --> 01:26:05,58
thought and I wrote it down because I
knew I would ramble if I didn't. You know

1043
01:26:05,59 --> 01:26:08,86
last comprehensive plans we talked and I
for Bismarck in Berkeley County was done

1044
01:26:08,87 --> 01:26:09,98
in the one nine hundred seventy S.

1045
01:26:10,32 --> 01:26:14,39
In response to the growth for the next
twenty five years and that's the document we

1046
01:26:14,40 --> 01:26:20,39
read from tonight. It was it was printed
on mimeograph machines and we used

1047
01:26:20,43 --> 01:26:25,27
electric typewriters to lay out the text
from the document we just. We just read

1048
01:26:25,28 --> 01:26:29,41
and you know the world has changed the last
effort to update the plan failed in two

1049
01:26:29,42 --> 01:26:33,78
thousand and seven by the same five of us
who sit here tonight and you know I don't

1050
01:26:33,79 --> 01:26:36,08
blame any of us for
that I just that that's

1051
01:26:36,09 --> 01:26:40,40
a fact and I don't think the public elected
any of us not to plan for our future.

1052
01:26:41,42 --> 01:26:44,62
And the current method of using this
outdated plan that we just went through is

1053
01:26:44,63 --> 01:26:45,38
primarily as

1054
01:26:45,39 --> 01:26:51,63
a justification for the twelve page document
because you have to understand it was

1055
01:26:51,64 --> 01:26:56,42
those two plans that created that plan
in one thousand nine hundred one and you

1056
01:26:56,43 --> 01:27:01,35
know it was there's no online interactivity
you can't go to this plan even the one

1057
01:27:01,36 --> 01:27:06,39
online and match it up with any of the ideas
we just talked about here and also in

1058
01:27:06,40 --> 01:27:10,02
one thousand nine hundred when this plan
occurred there was construction of the

1059
01:27:10,03 --> 01:27:14,58
combined law enforcement center in south
Bismarck there was conversion of this very

1060
01:27:14,59 --> 01:27:17,87
building the Q In our clinic into the city
county government building that we're

1061
01:27:17,88 --> 01:27:20,38
holding our meeting at right now it was

1062
01:27:20,39 --> 01:27:24,52
a good shared vision back then but now
we have an opportunity to take the new

1063
01:27:24,53 --> 01:27:29,92
growth factors into account that this
doesn't have any any concept and map out

1064
01:27:29,93 --> 01:27:33,01
another shared vision to guide us for the
next twenty five years I think we have

1065
01:27:33,02 --> 01:27:38,56
that opportunity here and I would propose.
That the state the cities and Berley

1066
01:27:38,57 --> 01:27:42,63
County including Bismarck and Lincoln in
the other bedroom communities as I call

1067
01:27:42,64 --> 01:27:47,60
them for Baldwin wing and Reagan the park
districts and other government entities

1068
01:27:47,75 --> 01:27:50,10
need to work together and
provide oversight for

1069
01:27:50,11 --> 01:27:54,59
a truly comprehensive plan for our community
so everybody understands from roads to

1070
01:27:54,60 --> 01:27:59,18
schools to parks to everything where where
we see these things going and it can

1071
01:27:59,19 --> 01:27:59,64
that it can be

1072
01:27:59,65 --> 01:28:02,77
a couple different options because there
are some that are saying the roses going

1073
01:28:02,78 --> 01:28:05,33
to be exponential there are others
that say no it's not going to be that

1074
01:28:05,34 --> 01:28:09,23
exponential we can we can look at us several
different scenarios over and I would

1075
01:28:09,24 --> 01:28:11,83
say we do that over the
next year and develop

1076
01:28:11,84 --> 01:28:16,08
a true comprehensive plan the new vision
is not only what the transportation needs

1077
01:28:16,09 --> 01:28:21,66
are in the future but pulls together ideas
where we believe industrial commercial

1078
01:28:21,93 --> 01:28:26,50
parks and residential areas could be developed
and the impacts that might occur as

1079
01:28:26,51 --> 01:28:30,29
a result of the growth that we expect in
the next twenty five years we try to do it

1080
01:28:30,30 --> 01:28:35,88
alone as the burly county commission it
will fail that's not what they did thirty

1081
01:28:35,89 --> 01:28:39,40
years ago when they did this they
joined forces and they came up with

1082
01:28:39,41 --> 01:28:43,33
a shared vision and I think we need to
take that shared vision one step forward.

1083
01:28:47,05 --> 01:28:48,07
You're saying this covers

1084
01:28:48,08 --> 01:28:54,89
a whole county the idea to pull everybody
together on the side of the river our

1085
01:28:54,89 --> 01:28:58,21
county or this is not plan that we're
talking about the the complex we just went

1086
01:28:58,23 --> 01:29:02,66
through was was was drafted in one thousand
nine hundred eighty and finished in one

1087
01:29:02,67 --> 01:29:06,36
thousand nine hundred one but
the ordinances we have are

1088
01:29:06,36 --> 01:29:09,96
a result of that plan but the organiser
one hundred ninety six pages long they

1089
01:29:09,96 --> 01:29:14,98
don't map out at all to what we just
read well it's Mr Bennett that wasn't

1090
01:29:15,02 --> 01:29:20,91
a question OK My question is. What you're
describing here if you think should cover

1091
01:29:20,92 --> 01:29:26,36
the whole county Yes yes I think we don't
have the authority to do that right now

1092
01:29:26,37 --> 01:29:30,65
and ships have their own zoning and their
comp plans they day other than the

1093
01:29:30,66 --> 01:29:34,83
townships that have given up their zoning
authority to us but under century you

1094
01:29:34,84 --> 01:29:35,65
know code I think it's

1095
01:29:35,95 --> 01:29:38,65
a Chapter eleven and thirty three
for CA we're required to have

1096
01:29:38,66 --> 01:29:42,06
a comprehensive land use plan and we do
have one it's from one thousand nine

1097
01:29:42,07 --> 01:29:47,98
hundred one. And that's there and only
proverbs township I understand Mr Chairman

1098
01:29:48,14 --> 01:29:54,39
but I think I'm going to bring in the cities
of Baldwin wing Reagan and all of them

1099
01:29:54,40 --> 01:29:58,12
that they're not in that I think they
should be at the table to help us craft

1100
01:29:58,16 --> 01:30:03,16
a comprehensive plan that would be ideal
if if that was under our jurisdiction but

1101
01:30:03,17 --> 01:30:07,44
it's not I understand you know they're they
have their own plans just like Bismarck

1102
01:30:07,45 --> 01:30:13,69
has its own plan so I don't
see how. You know the city of

1103
01:30:14,47 --> 01:30:19,87
Reagan for example has no jurisdiction in
the townships that we have jurisdiction.

1104
01:30:22,79 --> 01:30:29,77
There's really no vision required from
Reagan. And with respect to roads and

1105
01:30:29,78 --> 01:30:31,33
whatnot we have the M.P.O.

1106
01:30:31,34 --> 01:30:37,70
That is the road planning organization
works closely with our county engineer so

1107
01:30:37,71 --> 01:30:41,89
I'm just not sure what you're saying
that we need you know you're promoting

1108
01:30:41,90 --> 01:30:46,97
a great big feel good thing which probably
will make you feel good. But I'm not

1109
01:30:46,98 --> 01:30:50,13
seeing what the result is going to
be outside of a long time spending

1110
01:30:50,14 --> 01:30:53,55
a lot of dollars put into it for kind of

1111
01:30:53,56 --> 01:31:00,10
a big. Hug Well you know I
respectfully disagree I think we

1112
01:31:00,11 --> 01:31:06,12
need the city of Bismarck the city of Lincoln
the park district the county sitting

1113
01:31:06,13 --> 01:31:09,76
at the table and planning for the next
twenty five years that's how we got this

1114
01:31:09,77 --> 01:31:14,46
plan it was the Bismarck Burley County
comprehensive plan the city of Bismarck and

1115
01:31:14,47 --> 01:31:18,14
the county sat down and hammer this out and
on the sure there were some of the same

1116
01:31:18,15 --> 01:31:24,10
concerns that relate to the editor on complex
I understand that but how if we don't

1117
01:31:24,11 --> 01:31:24,86
have a we don't have

1118
01:31:24,87 --> 01:31:29,41
a shared vision vision with them outside
of the extraterritorial area as we grow

1119
01:31:29,67 --> 01:31:33,87
what will have some problems we already
see some of the concerns we've raised

1120
01:31:33,88 --> 01:31:39,15
before with the two to four mile an outside
that area as well right now we have

1121
01:31:39,16 --> 01:31:43,11
just simply spot development you come to
us you convince us at this table that your

1122
01:31:43,33 --> 01:31:47,79
plan unit development is suitable for
the area you're serving and we give you

1123
01:31:47,80 --> 01:31:53,44
approval that's that's not planning you
don't think that's good. I don't think

1124
01:31:53,45 --> 01:31:53,62
that's

1125
01:31:53,63 --> 01:31:58,78
a good plan and here's what I hear from
people like who run. High higher net high

1126
01:31:58,79 --> 01:32:02,63
speed cable they they want to know where
things are going to be you know they they

1127
01:32:02,64 --> 01:32:06,40
want businesses want to know where where
the communities planning to grow and we

1128
01:32:06,41 --> 01:32:10,81
can't point to any documents or any maps
and say this is what we think is going to

1129
01:32:10,82 --> 01:32:15,04
happen so we should dictate where every
development is going to go the next

1130
01:32:15,05 --> 01:32:19,41
development the next album Absolutely not
it was like commissioner Commissioner

1131
01:32:19,42 --> 01:32:23,62
shown and said there's some there's some
court or is that manly always mass out of

1132
01:32:23,62 --> 01:32:28,75
. It recently at the Berkeley County
Planning Commission we've had

1133
01:32:29,44 --> 01:32:35,12
a number of people have come in requesting
changes to an existing land use plan and

1134
01:32:35,13 --> 01:32:40,67
one of the notable things was that the
citizens were saying that we want to change

1135
01:32:40,68 --> 01:32:44,79
to this plan because we feel that it's the
government trying to tell us what to do

1136
01:32:44,80 --> 01:32:51,45
with our land in particular it was
the parks Greenway and open space

1137
01:32:51,46 --> 01:32:57,00
designation that was was drawn on to their
land on the map and those folks came in

1138
01:32:57,04 --> 01:33:00,34
and they were adamant that they did not
want the government telling them that

1139
01:33:00,35 --> 01:33:00,84
there's going to be

1140
01:33:00,85 --> 01:33:06,37
a parks or open space or Greenlee on their
land and that's just the most current So

1141
01:33:06,38 --> 01:33:12,90
if we're out there telling people OK Your
land is going to be commercial. You know

1142
01:33:12,91 --> 01:33:16,53
with there are some good reasons that
you would do that and you lay it out in

1143
01:33:16,54 --> 01:33:20,98
a land use plan because certain top dog or
fees work better for industrial some are

1144
01:33:20,99 --> 01:33:26,50
better for commercial Some are better suited
to residential that's fine but really

1145
01:33:26,51 --> 01:33:31,99
is it our place to be telling people that
no matter what your plan is for your land

1146
01:33:32,03 --> 01:33:33,75
commissioner produce Oh
we're going to build

1147
01:33:33,76 --> 01:33:40,31
a park on that they're OK with you. No it's
not and that's my point my point is the

1148
01:33:40,32 --> 01:33:41,35
market's going to dictate

1149
01:33:41,36 --> 01:33:45,79
a lot of this. We could go back to the whole
conversation in Texas where they have

1150
01:33:45,80 --> 01:33:51,32
no zoning and they voted it down three
times in the last fifty years because they

1151
01:33:51,33 --> 01:33:56,19
like that style of growth
that if you want to put

1152
01:33:56,20 --> 01:34:03,00
a rollercoaster in your backyard so
be it. But what Whenever I'm not

1153
01:34:03,01 --> 01:34:05,75
saying that's right but whenever you have

1154
01:34:05,76 --> 01:34:12,71
a. Long term comprehensive plan or an
accreditation or anything you're being

1155
01:34:12,72 --> 01:34:19,18
dictated to by whole lot more of the country
than just right here where you need

1156
01:34:19,19 --> 01:34:23,90
here and I think what we do and how
we've done it is unique because we have

1157
01:34:23,91 --> 01:34:28,92
a different set of circumstances here as
they do in Fargo. We can buy forty acres

1158
01:34:28,93 --> 01:34:33,56
in Bismarck you can't buy forty acres in
Fargo because it's too valuable for egg

1159
01:34:33,57 --> 01:34:38,44
land but we have that opportunity
here and when we get into an in-depth

1160
01:34:38,45 --> 01:34:43,92
comprehensive plan we're going to limit
some of that growth because somebody had.

1161
01:34:45,29 --> 01:34:51,21
Somebody in some other state said that's
not right and it's not. It's it's not good

1162
01:34:51,22 --> 01:34:55,90
for us but again the uniqueness of us
living here and having the opportunity to

1163
01:34:55,91 --> 01:34:59,10
live where we live I think
can only be diminished by

1164
01:34:59,11 --> 01:35:04,28
a real strong comprehensive plan
and not going by what M.P.O.

1165
01:35:04,29 --> 01:35:09,94
Does and by what. The city does and we
are following I don't see we're running

1166
01:35:09,95 --> 01:35:12,40
helter skelter when I we've covered

1167
01:35:12,41 --> 01:35:15,10
a lot of it in this short
enough twelve page plan

1168
01:35:16,00 --> 01:35:22,25
a mystery but I think. Commissioner Armstrong
ideally would work it would work. But

1169
01:35:22,29 --> 01:35:23,37
unfortunately common sense

1170
01:35:23,38 --> 01:35:26,45
a lot of times doesn't come in when you've
got ten or fifteen different government

1171
01:35:26,46 --> 01:35:31,08
entities and different jurisdictions
and different policies and different

1172
01:35:31,09 --> 01:35:36,61
requirements and the law comes into it why
should the city of Lincoln have anything

1173
01:35:36,62 --> 01:35:42,03
to say about the city Regan's com plan I
mean they really don't but when this plan

1174
01:35:42,04 --> 01:35:46,03
was made Bismarck and
Bertie County were in

1175
01:35:46,04 --> 01:35:49,60
a different situation than they are now
it terribly there's no doubt about it but

1176
01:35:49,61 --> 01:35:54,52
a lot of things have changed during that
time we now have the A which took the

1177
01:35:54,53 --> 01:35:59,06
first four miles or the four miles around
the city we've had all of the townships

1178
01:35:59,07 --> 01:36:02,50
that want to have their own zoning in their
own comp land they have the right to do

1179
01:36:02,51 --> 01:36:08,33
that so when you factor in all of these
things that have been taken away from the

1180
01:36:08,56 --> 01:36:14,93
original jurisdiction of this comp plan.
About seventy percent of the area that

1181
01:36:14,94 --> 01:36:19,87
this covered is gone effectively now not
not geographically because there's so much

1182
01:36:19,88 --> 01:36:25,45
rural agricultural but fortunately we
work well with the city and the county

1183
01:36:25,46 --> 01:36:29,37
planning apartment works well and that's
one thing I've been trying to promote is

1184
01:36:29,38 --> 01:36:35,96
that we we continue that relationship so
that the cities come plan meshes with the

1185
01:36:35,97 --> 01:36:42,26
counties come plan so that as the city
expands it'll take into the areas of the

1186
01:36:42,27 --> 01:36:47,56
county and it'll be it'll it'll weld itself
together mission itself together but

1187
01:36:47,75 --> 01:36:51,11
for us to come up with
a committee to revamp

1188
01:36:51,82 --> 01:36:57,72
a new com plan with fifteen different
entities is. I hate to say that it's

1189
01:36:57,73 --> 01:37:04,65
unrealistic. I don't think it's
fifteen entities but and I really

1190
01:37:04,66 --> 01:37:08,100
think your example of the green space I
agree with you we talked about of that for

1191
01:37:09,01 --> 01:37:13,50
the plank commission the problem is here
was an area at the switch that was I'm not

1192
01:37:13,51 --> 01:37:17,44
promoting that what I'm saying is that we
need to have better coordination because

1193
01:37:17,45 --> 01:37:21,36
we had people come to that meeting who
own the property since one thousand nine

1194
01:37:21,37 --> 01:37:26,35
hundred eighty who had no idea that their
backyard had been designated as public

1195
01:37:26,36 --> 01:37:32,39
green space now why why is that because
there's no way they could go and find that

1196
01:37:32,40 --> 01:37:37,18
readily there's there's no coordination
with us that that had that designation had

1197
01:37:37,19 --> 01:37:42,78
been there you and I both were like what
the first we've heard of it so I don't

1198
01:37:42,79 --> 01:37:47,06
think there are that many and you know
I'm talking about the city of Reagan and

1199
01:37:47,07 --> 01:37:51,55
Wilton and Lincoln as people that would
want to be interested in the process I'm

1200
01:37:51,56 --> 01:37:55,76
not saying that their plans supersede or
dictator the townships get left out of

1201
01:37:55,77 --> 01:38:01,08
this it's basically the park district the
city and the county possibly the water

1202
01:38:01,09 --> 01:38:05,11
district and maybe that estate I don't know
I think the schools need to function on

1203
01:38:05,12 --> 01:38:08,69
their i want try to pull the schools
in this other than you know having

1204
01:38:08,70 --> 01:38:12,17
a good line of communication because obviously
they're under seventy percent state

1205
01:38:12,18 --> 01:38:16,84
funded they're kind of different entities
but the people I hear from are curious

1206
01:38:16,85 --> 01:38:21,51
about why we are you know they're taxed
you know school district tax city tax

1207
01:38:21,52 --> 01:38:25,47
County Tax park district tax and they ask
is there any way we can do this better

1208
01:38:26,04 --> 01:38:31,21
and I'm proposing we should just look at
it I'm not saying that is not it does

1209
01:38:31,22 --> 01:38:33,18
because we can't if we
can't get together on

1210
01:38:33,19 --> 01:38:37,79
a plan with those entities I mentioned then
we are going to be going willingly and

1211
01:38:38,00 --> 01:38:44,36
we're going to continually This budget was.
I have no disagreement with the notion

1212
01:38:44,37 --> 01:38:48,23
that we should be getting everybody together
but I think that would be putting the

1213
01:38:48,24 --> 01:38:50,52
cart before the horse by doing

1214
01:38:50,53 --> 01:38:57,29
a comprehensive plan with them we need to
develop their cooperation. First and then

1215
01:38:57,61 --> 01:38:59,00
we can have conversations about

1216
01:38:59,01 --> 01:39:03,75
a mutual plan in the absence of that
cooperation we're just spinning our wheels and

1217
01:39:03,76 --> 01:39:08,78
right now the most effective thing we can
do is update this current comprehensive

1218
01:39:08,79 --> 01:39:15,55
plan get it done and move on trying
to. Better cooperate well I don't

1219
01:39:15,56 --> 01:39:19,15
agree with you but I think we did with
the Jets one hundred thousand dollars or

1220
01:39:19,16 --> 01:39:23,14
eight hundred twenty thousand dollars for
this process because we knew this was

1221
01:39:23,15 --> 01:39:29,41
going to not for this process no not for
it was we have one hundred we have budget

1222
01:39:29,42 --> 01:39:34,87
for the planning. Letter good planning
department period has nothing to do with

1223
01:39:34,88 --> 01:39:39,67
this plan and you think the adage that we
made in this document today we can give

1224
01:39:39,68 --> 01:39:44,14
back to our planning department our community
planning department and they're going

1225
01:39:44,15 --> 01:39:46,09
to develop a new confidence

1226
01:39:46,10 --> 01:39:50,32
a plan no sign that we're going to take
what we talked about this is going to go to

1227
01:39:50,33 --> 01:39:56,70
the County Planning Commission. There's I
don't see where at this point staff needs

1228
01:39:56,71 --> 01:40:00,70
to make any improvements we have to start
the discussions at the County Planning

1229
01:40:00,71 --> 01:40:07,55
Commission because we expect
that board to do what this board

1230
01:40:08,78 --> 01:40:10,01
is directing this is not really

1231
01:40:10,02 --> 01:40:16,16
a question for staff. I think we
need to have like say where we said

1232
01:40:16,58 --> 01:40:23,15
revision to language. The County Planning
Commission will have to work that out and

1233
01:40:23,16 --> 01:40:28,36
then staff can do the administrative functions
the typing those kinds of things you

1234
01:40:28,37 --> 01:40:31,81
know again I have a hard time
understanding how we can take

1235
01:40:31,82 --> 01:40:34,20
a document from one thousand
nine hundred one make

1236
01:40:34,21 --> 01:40:38,63
a couple of changes and say you know
we've we've done our due diligence and I

1237
01:40:38,64 --> 01:40:43,05
didn't think that we have men because you
can't point to something in here and

1238
01:40:43,37 --> 01:40:49,14
outside of what we're looking at revising.
What's out of date. And I would agree

1239
01:40:49,15 --> 01:40:53,49
with you the extent that that document has
nothing to do with the ordinances that

1240
01:40:53,50 --> 01:40:57,15
people go to look at you can read that
all day long and it doesn't make any

1241
01:40:57,16 --> 01:41:01,72
difference to the ordinances the governor
people's behavior out but the organism

1242
01:41:01,73 --> 01:41:06,87
not going to change OK so what was the
point of all because we were required to

1243
01:41:06,88 --> 01:41:07,02
have

1244
01:41:07,03 --> 01:41:13,61
a conference of land use plan with but I
again commissioner woodcocks with respect

1245
01:41:14,02 --> 01:41:17,41
I don't think we're doing our due
diligence by making a few changes in

1246
01:41:17,42 --> 01:41:23,13
a docking that was typed on an electric
typewriter thirty years. Well it's just not

1247
01:41:23,17 --> 01:41:27,66
it's it's not current mission Armstrong I
got I'd like to ask one question I think

1248
01:41:28,45 --> 01:41:34,26
we're on two different trains of thought
here you said new truly comprehensive plan

1249
01:41:34,27 --> 01:41:39,38
for our community what's the community
that's in your perception of community all

1250
01:41:39,39 --> 01:41:45,78
of us here at the table all of us in
Berkeley County OK what we're developing is

1251
01:41:45,79 --> 01:41:51,67
for the eleven townships and Berkeley County
exploiting the Four Mile jurisdiction

1252
01:41:51,68 --> 01:41:53,38
of Bismarck which isn't

1253
01:41:53,39 --> 01:41:58,46
a lot anymore I understand that's what
we're developing as compliment for not for

1254
01:41:58,47 --> 01:42:04,33
all of our economy not for Bismarck it's
for that area. That's our community that

1255
01:42:04,34 --> 01:42:06,23
we're talking about not a community of all

1256
01:42:06,24 --> 01:42:11,58
a protocol that's where we disagree on where
we're going with this you're seeing it

1257
01:42:11,59 --> 01:42:15,61
as doing it for the whole county and that's
when we've done that study that's where

1258
01:42:15,62 --> 01:42:19,79
they were coming from and they were way
off base because we're doing it for the

1259
01:42:19,80 --> 01:42:24,89
eleven townships net we have zoning and
planning control over understanding minus

1260
01:42:24,90 --> 01:42:29,35
the Four Mile jurisdiction I showed
that map serval times not don't leave

1261
01:42:29,36 --> 01:42:33,32
a lot know when I would agree with
you but that's what that's what

1262
01:42:33,33 --> 01:42:37,64
a compliment covered but there are other
other things that are going to happen as

1263
01:42:37,65 --> 01:42:44,23
we get the growth we expect or or within
that Levon townships and outside the whole

1264
01:42:44,24 --> 01:42:45,52
area that's why I think we need

1265
01:42:46,27 --> 01:42:50,11
a commissioner woodcocks brought up the
river areas there's nothing in this plan

1266
01:42:50,12 --> 01:42:54,57
that has anything to do with that it's
covered in our ordinance is the well to

1267
01:42:54,58 --> 01:42:58,62
somehow get a note in here that
commissioners seem to be making this into

1268
01:42:58,63 --> 01:43:01,99
a much bigger thing that really is I think
we're thinking keeping different not in

1269
01:43:02,00 --> 01:43:08,14
Iraq simple is is the way to go at this
point the first thing I would like to see

1270
01:43:08,15 --> 01:43:14,96
take this back to the planning. And
have them come to an agreement as to

1271
01:43:16,18 --> 01:43:21,20
what the area is that we're developing as
COM planful So it's completely understood

1272
01:43:21,21 --> 01:43:26,88
that it's the eleven townships minus that
four miles are stiction Let's improve

1273
01:43:26,89 --> 01:43:33,74
here Commissioner it's in print it can't
be any more clear than right so you know

1274
01:43:33,75 --> 01:43:38,62
that we've added Minden in process that's
what we need to go forward with OK that's

1275
01:43:38,63 --> 01:43:42,96
what we're doing that's exactly what we're
doing OK Could you make sure the other

1276
01:43:42,97 --> 01:43:44,98
comments could you make sure this type on

1277
01:43:44,99 --> 01:43:50,23
a computer. I think what Mr
Armstrong referring to is

1278
01:43:50,24 --> 01:43:55,94
a lot of what the city of Bismarck is
doing now and there and there are. Have

1279
01:43:55,95 --> 01:43:59,57
a long range vision plan and I think maybe
that's what you're referring to more

1280
01:43:59,58 --> 01:44:04,57
than the comp plan which which we're
looking at that only deals with eleven

1281
01:44:04,58 --> 01:44:10,28
townships the long range plan for the
city of Bismarck should include the rural

1282
01:44:10,29 --> 01:44:14,90
transmission area when it does and
that's really ninety nine percent of the

1283
01:44:14,91 --> 01:44:16,13
affected area of

1284
01:44:16,14 --> 01:44:20,01
a long range plan for the city is going
to effect is that area it's not going to

1285
01:44:20,02 --> 01:44:25,08
affect us in these areas right here I don't
think. And we should have input into

1286
01:44:25,09 --> 01:44:31,97
that long range plan of the city we
really should. Get well that's all I

1287
01:44:31,98 --> 01:44:36,72
had on any other discussions. But
you know we need to move on.

1288
01:44:38,89 --> 01:44:44,48
So much of. What just Item number seven
regarding the general discussion on home

1289
01:44:44,49 --> 01:44:48,55
rule all of you are know that you're
invited to that breakfast tomorrow morning

1290
01:44:48,76 --> 01:44:52,58
we're going to meet with the legislators
and that's one of the issues that's going

1291
01:44:52,59 --> 01:44:59,46
to be brought up but if you have
anything of concern about County

1292
01:44:59,47 --> 01:45:03,39
issues that should be addressed by the
legislators in the next session bring it to

1293
01:45:03,40 --> 01:45:08,96
their attention that's what this is all
about it's just it's going to be rather

1294
01:45:08,97 --> 01:45:15,14
informal and we just want to visit with
them one on one and I also want to ask them

1295
01:45:15,32 --> 01:45:19,94
their plans and what they see for us as
colonies in the future expansion of the

1296
01:45:19,95 --> 01:45:24,46
French counties that are joining the oil
producing counties out here how we're

1297
01:45:24,47 --> 01:45:29,76
being affected and what they see in
the future to help us in that regard.

1298
01:45:31,41 --> 01:45:35,20
That's all I have on that for this meeting
we'll discuss it more after we have the

1299
01:45:35,21 --> 01:45:39,20
meeting with the legislators so that's
what I have on now to number eight.

1300
01:45:40,59 --> 01:45:46,44
Consideration of board appointments and
mystery and sure enough I mean true sure.

1301
01:45:48,95 --> 01:45:54,00
On the agenda is a list of the
upcoming appointments. I haven't had

1302
01:45:54,01 --> 01:45:59,46
a chance to really go out and
solicit anybody at this time I have

1303
01:45:59,47 --> 01:46:04,51
a few applications on file from people who
have expressed some interest in some of

1304
01:46:04,52 --> 01:46:09,44
these appointments and at the next meeting
I will formalize that in and get copies

1305
01:46:10,12 --> 01:46:16,18
of those applications to you prior to the
next meeting that these appointments all

1306
01:46:16,19 --> 01:46:23,07
become these terms all land on twelve
thirty one of twelve and as you can

1307
01:46:23,08 --> 01:46:29,98
see right on your agenda there's the
number of the number of vacancies or

1308
01:46:29,99 --> 01:46:34,08
the number of terms that are expiring and
the length of those terms for each one of

1309
01:46:34,09 --> 01:46:38,85
the boards so be more at the next meeting
Well I'm just going to name him publicly

1310
01:46:38,86 --> 01:46:43,90
here so if anybody's out there interested.
Bismark Planning Commission we have one

1311
01:46:44,04 --> 01:46:50,92
five year term opening up early County this
month planning commission I'm sorry one

1312
01:46:50,93 --> 01:46:55,14
five year term opening up early County
Planning Commission have to for your terms.

1313
01:46:56,22 --> 01:47:01,35
But the county park board we have one three
year term Region seven Human Service

1314
01:47:01,36 --> 01:47:06,28
Council we have one two year term Early
County Water Resource district we have two

1315
01:47:06,29 --> 01:47:11,73
three year terms and consideration of
appointment to Dakota prairie are C. And D.

1316
01:47:12,64 --> 01:47:16,60
So that's what's available out there if
there's anybody that's interested in an

1317
01:47:16,61 --> 01:47:20,56
appointment any one of these positions
please contact auditor of the lot and make

1318
01:47:20,57 --> 01:47:24,48
yourself known Mr Chairman just the one
thing with the burly County Planning

1319
01:47:24,49 --> 01:47:29,85
Commission those two terms those are terms
of county commissioner or the article me

1320
01:47:29,99 --> 01:47:36,21
yes OK so it'll be two for me finish from
this book. Mr Chairman if I manner other

1321
01:47:36,22 --> 01:47:40,97
business would like the board to consider
the two thousand and thirteen meeting

1322
01:47:41,36 --> 01:47:48,29
schedule and as required by law the
commission shall establish these dates by

1323
01:47:48,30 --> 01:47:55,27
resolution or ordinance. So I got
those all to you early last week and

1324
01:47:55,28 --> 01:47:58,99
if you're ready if not I will do
it at the next meeting but to make

1325
01:47:58,100 --> 01:48:04,89
a motion to approve these dates. I'd move
or improve these dates and the motion or

1326
01:48:04,90 --> 01:48:07,91
seconds or any discussion
on it on favor say aye.

1327
01:48:12,49 --> 01:48:18,28
I think Mr Bittner had some other business
to bring up yes this Chairman thank you

1328
01:48:18,29 --> 01:48:25,24
Mr Chairman. Just wanted to let everybody
know that working with Ray. We

1329
01:48:25,25 --> 01:48:31,81
solicited bids and quotes from people to
do the grades to the rodeo arena that we

1330
01:48:31,82 --> 01:48:32,48
talked about

1331
01:48:32,52 --> 01:48:39,15
a number of meetings ago and we only
received one. One quote on that

1332
01:48:39,61 --> 01:48:44,99
and that is from the person who is directly
involved with the current system and

1333
01:48:45,00 --> 01:48:49,73
what not that we use out there so that's
pretty handy so anyway labor and materials

1334
01:48:49,74 --> 01:48:56,37
and the whole thing on that is.
Sixteen thousand two hundred

1335
01:48:57,05 --> 01:49:02,16
twenty six dollars an eight cents
what was that again. That would be.

1336
01:49:04,43 --> 01:49:10,08
That's where the ball you know we want to
change the Middle. Out and gather in the

1337
01:49:10,12 --> 01:49:15,05
bucket the bucking shoots in and out gates
so they have to do less of that roping

1338
01:49:15,06 --> 01:49:20,54
bulls. Right. So anyway it includes.

1339
01:49:21,87 --> 01:49:28,23
Some ride through gates right through both
corner degree ninety degree angle some

1340
01:49:28,29 --> 01:49:34,72
bunch panels from rolling alley gates and
they'll revamp the existing set up to

1341
01:49:34,73 --> 01:49:38,80
accommodate the new system and install
the new materials labor material Quitman

1342
01:49:38,84 --> 01:49:42,12
misplayed I've reviewed with you that
yes we were out there looking at this

1343
01:49:42,13 --> 01:49:45,37
specifically and we talked about
which way the gates needs writing

1344
01:49:45,38 --> 01:49:50,93
a little bit. So I just wanted to update
you on that. That's where we're at and I

1345
01:49:50,94 --> 01:49:55,98
told him to go ahead and do that joining
other business to be brought before but

1346
01:49:55,99 --> 01:50:03,08
a. Packet

1347
01:50:03,09 --> 01:50:08,07
of information to you in regards
to in that packet he has

1348
01:50:08,55 --> 01:50:13,27
a job announcement for administrative staff
officer one position of social services

1349
01:50:13,81 --> 01:50:19,77
along with a copy of our
starting salary. Policy and also

1350
01:50:19,79 --> 01:50:26,02
a copy of the applicant who. Social Service
is trying to consider for the position

1351
01:50:26,80 --> 01:50:30,94
so this evening asking the Commission
to consider allowing the actual social

1352
01:50:30,96 --> 01:50:35,22
service department to hire above the
step five point the administrative staff

1353
01:50:35,22 --> 01:50:39,24
officer one position the position is
currently open due to an employee except

1354
01:50:39,25 --> 01:50:44,36
employment but the state of court in The
Human Services Department Social Services

1355
01:50:44,37 --> 01:50:47,85
has the funds available in their
budget for this position but needs the

1356
01:50:47,86 --> 01:50:54,74
commission's approval based on this
policy that is attached for you. So the

1357
01:50:54,79 --> 01:50:58,29
individual they are considering is going
to be moving to the Bismarck area who

1358
01:50:58,31 --> 01:50:59,35
currently is employed in

1359
01:50:59,36 --> 01:51:03,10
a similar type position with Stark County
since the one nine hundred eighty S.

1360
01:51:03,64 --> 01:51:10,40
So I'm asking for your consideration approval
is even. This administration of Staff

1361
01:51:10,41 --> 01:51:17,12
Officer. What what is that position
is that directly under Sherry and.

1362
01:51:18,18 --> 01:51:21,22
Is. Could that be explained

1363
01:51:21,23 --> 01:51:27,05
a little bit more the position
is supervises eleven employees

1364
01:51:27,95 --> 01:51:33,39
eleven support staff members in the
social services department it's

1365
01:51:33,40 --> 01:51:38,31
a position that had been opened earlier as
well we had an individual She's going to

1366
01:51:38,32 --> 01:51:44,84
be stepping down because of the became
sole. Too much and that was when we took

1367
01:51:44,85 --> 01:51:47,33
that position and broke away the I.T.

1368
01:51:47,34 --> 01:51:53,00
Piece of it so then she stepped
back into that position it's been

1369
01:51:53,01 --> 01:51:57,78
a lot of activity so the first time when
she became the position we advertised it

1370
01:51:57,98 --> 01:52:02,86
we couldn't get anybody hired because the
salary range was not sufficient to the

1371
01:52:02,87 --> 01:52:08,39
applicants we received they wanted more
than what we advertised so then when we

1372
01:52:08,40 --> 01:52:12,54
were able to split that position came before
the commission and asked for the I.T.

1373
01:52:12,55 --> 01:52:17,06
Position those duties then no longer became
part of the ministry of staff officer

1374
01:52:17,07 --> 01:52:20,90
position where she was just going to be
supervising not just but eleven staff

1375
01:52:20,91 --> 01:52:27,52
members which is a big responsibility.
While she now has been offered

1376
01:52:27,53 --> 01:52:33,05
a position with the state and she wasn't
looking to leave they came and sought her

1377
01:52:33,06 --> 01:52:38,84
out and so she couldn't turn it down have
salary increase health insurance has been

1378
01:52:38,85 --> 01:52:45,20
paid for those of us on the factors that
she's leaving us so we've now we advertise

1379
01:52:45,21 --> 01:52:51,95
the position again as I attach for
you to look at. You know solicit

1380
01:52:51,96 --> 01:52:56,86
applicants received applicants this
particular individual who they're looking at

1381
01:52:56,87 --> 01:53:03,43
considering has got tremendous experience
from another county. So it's someone that

1382
01:53:04,05 --> 01:53:08,12
we need to hire at if possible with
your approval of all the step five

1383
01:53:10,83 --> 01:53:15,23
What's the wish of the commission and
Sherry's here and also answer some questions

1384
01:53:15,24 --> 01:53:16,56
if you need Gerri doh.

1385
01:53:23,44 --> 01:53:28,29
Missional it got that Mr what is if you
want to go above this out of the Step five

1386
01:53:28,30 --> 01:53:33,47
you want to go to Step six when you want
to do or actually this one is asking for

1387
01:53:33,48 --> 01:53:38,72
is for certain sitter ing to Step nine
that's what I thought you were. And what

1388
01:53:38,73 --> 01:53:45,66
what would the difference be in the
salary that from. The five to the nine

1389
01:53:45,67 --> 01:53:51,77
or right what is right what we would
normally be hiring at the elite of well the

1390
01:53:51,83 --> 01:53:56,58
nine department heads have the authority
based on the policy to hire up to Step

1391
01:53:56,59 --> 01:54:01,82
five Anything above that has to be approved
by the commission they do have the

1392
01:54:01,83 --> 01:54:07,22
money in their budget they have budgeted
that position at that midpoint so they

1393
01:54:07,23 --> 01:54:11,81
have the money available it's just that
they need your approval to go ahead and

1394
01:54:12,17 --> 01:54:17,63
hire above that standby and the reason is
because they can get applicants as well

1395
01:54:17,64 --> 01:54:22,58
applicants an experience level and they've
got other applicants but nothing near to

1396
01:54:22,59 --> 01:54:27,36
what this person has for experience and
what. We seem to be finding this in every

1397
01:54:27,37 --> 01:54:30,45
department. It's becoming

1398
01:54:30,81 --> 01:54:37,69
a trend you. What's the

1399
01:54:37,71 --> 01:54:39,18
wish of the commission its chairman

1400
01:54:39,19 --> 01:54:44,94
a movie approve the hiring at Step
nine which wants that night I have

1401
01:54:44,95 --> 01:54:50,43
a second five second

1402
01:54:53,44 --> 01:54:54,72
seconds got

1403
01:54:54,73 --> 01:55:01,35
a second any discussion.
If not if I ever say I

1404
01:55:01,88 --> 01:55:08,53
I post I will let several calls. If

1405
01:55:08,79 --> 01:55:15,50
all of the civil rights are
plausible no woodcocks

1406
01:55:15,54 --> 01:55:21,94
Yes ARMSTRONG No that you're Yes

1407
01:55:23,41 --> 01:55:30,17
Shawn or yes. Motion
care thank you. Just to

1408
01:55:30,18 --> 01:55:35,84
clarify I think that's extreme I mean
that's. That's at the end of our pay scale

1409
01:55:36,07 --> 01:55:42,02
you know it's the mid point nine and it
goes down seventeen years or maximum I

1410
01:55:42,03 --> 01:55:48,57
still think it's extreme. OK that
item ten concern or gender nothing

1411
01:55:49,78 --> 01:55:55,46
or anything else to come before the
committee. Will see on the morning. You know

1412
01:55:55,47 --> 01:55:57,86
more than most really
happy Thanksgiving L.

1413
01:55:57,87 --> 01:56:01,85
You guys you. Will see on
the morning about ten days.