1 00:00:09,76 --> 00:00:13,12 Good evening ladies and gentlemen I would like to call for the meeting at the 2 00:00:13,13 --> 00:00:17,76 Arlington I asked the board of trustees on change twenty I five o'clock P.M. 3 00:00:19,39 --> 00:00:23,33 First on our agenda this evening after six and 4 00:00:24,09 --> 00:00:29,20 a Boston thank you presidents and tonight we have two items on consent there G.M. 5 00:00:29,21 --> 00:00:31,34 Peace and so on when asked Miss Pollok to give us 6 00:00:31,35 --> 00:00:35,85 a brief review of that and we have covered this with the finance and accountability 7 00:00:35,86 --> 00:00:42,82 Committee as well. Behaved present Sullens board members Dr Caso saw that 8 00:00:42,83 --> 00:00:47,56 there are two items on the consent agenda they are guaranteed maximum price 9 00:00:48,05 --> 00:00:53,83 recommendations on to our construction projects we have reviewed these with the 10 00:00:53,84 --> 00:01:00,57 board Finance Committee and we recommend approval as person. Thank you 11 00:01:01,11 --> 00:01:06,29 trustees with questions you raise your hand so I can see you. It's good to think 12 00:01:06,31 --> 00:01:13,06 that with the It's chair you know I just move that we. Move on the recommendations 13 00:01:13,55 --> 00:01:17,17 of the administration on these two seconds of 14 00:01:17,19 --> 00:01:23,53 a motion by Mr Yes And I second by Dr Rice and no trustees indicating that they 15 00:01:23,55 --> 00:01:24,02 wanted to be 16 00:01:24,03 --> 00:01:29,95 a base item or on. Considered separately and no indication of any further. 17 00:01:32,64 --> 00:01:39,22 Vote by raising your right hand. Or start that. 18 00:01:41,96 --> 00:01:48,64 I can see all the way beyond its own firmly I think. And thank you. Watch 19 00:01:49,50 --> 00:01:54,11 and. We will move close to beating 20 00:01:54,47 --> 00:01:58,37 a German to close meeting pursuant to Section stop one point zero seven one 21 00:01:58,43 --> 00:02:03,27 consultation with attorney to seek and receive legal advice and act one point zero 22 00:02:03,28 --> 00:02:07,73 seven to discuss the purchase Exchange Place or value of every realistic real 23 00:02:07,74 --> 00:02:12,64 property and OP one point zero seven or consider point my employment valuation 24 00:02:12,71 --> 00:02:17,55 reassignment just under dismissal of officer or employee or to hear complaints or 25 00:02:17,56 --> 00:02:22,61 charges against what officer or employee of the Texas government thank you. 26 00:02:29,48 --> 00:02:35,97 Oh three thank you. Time despite already we are back an open meeting 27 00:02:36,34 --> 00:02:41,42 no action was taken in close meeting this meeting will come to order this meeting 28 00:02:41,43 --> 00:02:44,22 of the board of trustees is the being done on June twenty eighth two thousand and 29 00:02:44,23 --> 00:02:49,01 sixteen were meeting to consider the proposed term contract non-renewal 30 00:02:49,05 --> 00:02:54,13 a Pamela Jefferson with him presently employed with the board with the district the 31 00:02:54,14 --> 00:03:00,62 following members are present we hope. You should raise and rush 32 00:03:01,13 --> 00:03:07,99 me some once Hudson John hips I am Jamie hello silence and for the record forum 33 00:03:08,04 --> 00:03:10,40 is present. In 34 00:03:10,41 --> 00:03:15,27 a stock Obama will conduct the this portion of the meeting for the board Mr Obama 35 00:03:15,28 --> 00:03:21,06 will want all evidence. Even though he is charged with making those rulings Mr 36 00:03:21,29 --> 00:03:25,04 Obama is ultimately acting in the name of the board of trustees and the corps of 37 00:03:25,05 --> 00:03:30,99 trustees may over rule any ruling if any board member wishes to discuss or proof to 38 00:03:31,03 --> 00:03:31,58 overrule 39 00:03:31,59 --> 00:03:36,19 a ruling by addressing the court president any time asking for clarification or 40 00:03:36,20 --> 00:03:42,14 discussion of such ruling. The war trustee just not enough for its authority in the 41 00:03:42,15 --> 00:03:46,72 US or any matter to Mr Arkell box and he will not have any vote in the courts final 42 00:03:46,73 --> 00:03:51,43 decision that may assist the board in his label capacity if there are no objections 43 00:03:53,03 --> 00:03:59,02 and now turn this hearing over to us I want to. Thank you and will counsel for the 44 00:03:59,03 --> 00:04:00,55 district police H. 45 00:04:00,56 --> 00:04:01,67 Your name whether you're 46 00:04:01,68 --> 00:04:06,84 a license for attorney and introduce everyone at your table. And remove. 47 00:04:10,05 --> 00:04:14,33 My life. Feel. Free. 48 00:04:19,91 --> 00:04:25,64 To. Write and while the representative for the employee please state your name 49 00:04:25,65 --> 00:04:26,06 whether you're 50 00:04:26,07 --> 00:04:31,91 a licensed attorney and introduce everyone at your table. And sure my name is 51 00:04:31,92 --> 00:04:38,90 Daniel. To. Pamela Jefferson is here with me to write 52 00:04:39,83 --> 00:04:46,67 and Sandra Hudson next to her two years GA representative and Janet Ortiz also all 53 00:04:46,67 --> 00:04:53,55 . Practitioners. All right thank you and I would remind you that the 54 00:04:53,56 --> 00:04:58,38 microphones are here to pick this up but if you could speak nice and loud the board 55 00:04:58,39 --> 00:05:04,62 to hear you this is being recorded of course. All right the other thing which you 56 00:05:04,63 --> 00:05:10,10 already done and that is that you don't have to stand for your presentations so 57 00:05:10,63 --> 00:05:15,91 please feel free to keep your seats. The hearing will be closed to the public in 58 00:05:15,92 --> 00:05:19,68 accordance with Section five fifty one point zero seven four of the Texas 59 00:05:19,69 --> 00:05:24,01 government code and Texas Education Code Section twenty one point two zero seven A 60 00:05:24,02 --> 00:05:25,34 unless the employee requests 61 00:05:25,35 --> 00:05:29,56 a public hearing does the employee wish the hearing to be open to the public this 62 00:05:29,57 --> 00:05:35,49 Jefferson requests. This year the open and or deliberate. 63 00:05:38,52 --> 00:05:44,39 Well will address deliberation at the end of the hearing thank you I will now ask 64 00:05:44,40 --> 00:05:48,14 each member of the board whether he or she is able to serve as an impartial member 65 00:05:48,15 --> 00:05:50,29 of this hearing body and to arrive at 66 00:05:50,30 --> 00:05:55,20 a decision based soley upon evidence presented at this hearing and the member not 67 00:05:55,21 --> 00:05:56,26 able to act in such 68 00:05:56,27 --> 00:06:02,59 a manner may say so and ask to be excused Is there anyone who wishes to recuse 69 00:06:02,60 --> 00:06:09,18 themselves for this hearing. All right hearing on I will now 70 00:06:09,19 --> 00:06:13,59 instruct the parties on the procedures to be followed during this hearing the 71 00:06:13,60 --> 00:06:17,08 hearing is being conducted in accordance with the district's policy governing 72 00:06:17,09 --> 00:06:22,13 non-renewal of term contracts the administration's representative will present 73 00:06:22,14 --> 00:06:26,18 evidence to establish the reasons for the OWS non-renewal the employee's 74 00:06:26,19 --> 00:06:30,62 representative may then present evidence in support of the employee both sides may 75 00:06:30,63 --> 00:06:35,13 present witnesses and document every evidence and may cross-examine witnesses 76 00:06:35,14 --> 00:06:40,17 offered by the other side does either party wish to invoke the rule that is to 77 00:06:40,18 --> 00:06:46,31 remove all witnesses from the hearing room until they are called to testify. All 78 00:06:46,32 --> 00:06:52,99 right. Seeing that the rule has been invoked. Do either of you 79 00:06:53,00 --> 00:06:59,27 have witnesses here other than your representatives Mr Jefferson and Mr Morality 80 00:07:00,26 --> 00:07:06,95 that are in the room at this time. All right. Then I'm going to 81 00:07:06,96 --> 00:07:12,52 instruct the witness at this time this fielding the rule has been invoked and what 82 00:07:12,53 --> 00:07:17,33 that means is that witnesses are not supposed to be able to hear each other testify 83 00:07:17,68 --> 00:07:21,83 therefore we're going to ask you to go to another room and we'll find 84 00:07:21,84 --> 00:07:28,42 a room for you. And we will call on you when it's your turn to testify. You are 85 00:07:28,43 --> 00:07:33,55 welcome during any break you talk to either attorney if you wish you don't have to 86 00:07:34,11 --> 00:07:39,83 but do not ask anyone any witness in this case what they've heard or anyone else 87 00:07:40,07 --> 00:07:44,81 what they've heard and what kind of testimony has gone on so you're not required to 88 00:07:44,82 --> 00:07:51,17 talk to anyone but if you don't talk to them about this hearing until you've been 89 00:07:51,18 --> 00:07:55,91 released from the rule you understand all right then at this time we'll ask you to 90 00:07:55,92 --> 00:07:56,40 step out. 91 00:08:03,71 --> 00:08:10,37 Board member sit Do we have any other witnesses OK board member citizen panel of 92 00:08:10,38 --> 00:08:14,25 judges and are to remain impartial or members will not be questioned by 93 00:08:14,26 --> 00:08:19,42 representatives or witnesses the rules for this hearing are as follows only one 94 00:08:19,43 --> 00:08:20,34 person talks at 95 00:08:20,35 --> 00:08:25,97 a time and we don't interrupt the person who's talking this is for multiple reasons 96 00:08:25,98 --> 00:08:30,86 one common courtesy but also because the court reporter can only take down one 97 00:08:30,87 --> 00:08:31,63 person at 98 00:08:31,64 --> 00:08:36,68 a time objections will be addressed to me for my decision the representatives are 99 00:08:36,69 --> 00:08:42,95 not to argue directly with each other. Those who are observing in the audience may 100 00:08:42,96 --> 00:08:48,33 not talk or in any way interrupt the proceeding so any disruption disruptive 101 00:08:48,34 --> 00:08:52,97 behavior by any member of the audience will result in his or her expulsion from the 102 00:08:52,98 --> 00:08:57,04 hearing room. The hearing participants should conduct themselves with common 103 00:08:57,05 --> 00:09:01,75 courtesy and respect for the rights of others. Unduly repetitious certainly 104 00:09:01,76 --> 00:09:05,99 relevant testimony will be ruled out of order either of the objection of either 105 00:09:06,00 --> 00:09:09,43 party or by my own motion while this hearing is not 106 00:09:09,44 --> 00:09:14,83 a formal court of law I will rule on evidentiary objections the best of my ability 107 00:09:15,19 --> 00:09:19,85 based upon the Texas rules of evidence and taking into consideration the 108 00:09:19,86 --> 00:09:26,01 commissioner of Education's rules about hearsay in. This hearing will be time 109 00:09:26,49 --> 00:09:31,32 limited in time the employee will be afforded ninety minutes to present their case 110 00:09:31,65 --> 00:09:35,77 the administration will likewise be afforded ninety minutes Ross examination will 111 00:09:35,78 --> 00:09:37,53 be counted against both parties 112 00:09:37,57 --> 00:09:43,30 a lot of time you'll be informed as to when you're getting close to your allotted 113 00:09:43,31 --> 00:09:47,40 time and if you have any concerns about that amount of time we can address that at 114 00:09:47,41 --> 00:09:53,31 that juncture to provide the most accurate record possible the transcript of the 115 00:09:53,32 --> 00:09:57,64 proceeding is being made please avoid talking again when others are speaking so 116 00:09:57,65 --> 00:10:02,95 that the transcript or reflect the proceedings accurately I'm going to point the 117 00:10:02,96 --> 00:10:04,35 court reporter who is 118 00:10:04,36 --> 00:10:10,55 a notary public or you notary public OK Nonetheless I'm still going to point you. 119 00:10:11,61 --> 00:10:16,04 To swear in all witnesses and receive any label all exhibits and documentary 120 00:10:16,05 --> 00:10:22,84 evidence. Before we swear in the witnesses let me confirm that the 121 00:10:22,85 --> 00:10:27,91 evidence that you have provided me and that would be the administration's exhibits 122 00:10:28,31 --> 00:10:35,09 one through twenty seven. And Mr 123 00:10:35,10 --> 00:10:41,44 Jefferson's one A Through the number thirteen with many 124 00:10:41,45 --> 00:10:47,67 subparts. Is all the evidence documentary evidence that's going to be presented at 125 00:10:47,68 --> 00:10:54,67 this during this hearing is that correct. Yes as far as I know OK is there 126 00:10:54,68 --> 00:10:59,09 any objection by either party with regard to the introduction of this evidence at 127 00:10:59,10 --> 00:11:01,61 this time in order to streamline the procedure. 128 00:11:14,22 --> 00:11:19,56 I mean there are 129 00:11:19,56 --> 00:11:26,60 a lot of. 130 00:11:31,21 --> 00:11:37,13 Uncertainties. The only objection that is Jefferson have is with respect. 131 00:11:39,40 --> 00:11:40,91 That two school districts that you have 132 00:11:40,92 --> 00:11:47,15 a number. Two thousand that. I'm correct and and 133 00:11:48,11 --> 00:11:54,34 and reason or reason or this objection is that 134 00:11:55,43 --> 00:12:02,37 that boy did not suck. That bad Secondly. That 135 00:12:02,38 --> 00:12:09,02 with respect to exhibit twenty four point two objections we have are with respect 136 00:12:09,03 --> 00:12:16,01 to get by and to twenty four respect to exhibit twenty four we have. That 137 00:12:16,02 --> 00:12:22,68 Mr Jefferson asked for and this on the board we haven't heard No And 138 00:12:23,04 --> 00:12:28,34 and I stated earlier that the therapist shall ask at the appropriate time that the 139 00:12:28,35 --> 00:12:33,21 board deliberate liberate this man and open. 140 00:12:35,84 --> 00:12:40,66 That that's cool Disha commiseration did not provide me this audiotape of what 141 00:12:40,70 --> 00:12:47,05 information and really understand at least four of the five audio 142 00:12:47,06 --> 00:12:54,02 recorded can be names of students and and I suggest 143 00:12:54,03 --> 00:13:00,77 nice to despondingly that that this war runs the risk of violating. A two played 144 00:13:00,78 --> 00:13:06,50 beast hey you know so. All right let's. 145 00:13:08,92 --> 00:13:13,63 Look at. That. Line. 146 00:13:27,02 --> 00:13:32,12 Also by not. One or. 147 00:13:37,59 --> 00:13:44,14 All day. I know it was obvious the opportunity was well 148 00:13:46,75 --> 00:13:46,88 but. 149 00:13:54,97 --> 00:13:58,57 So that's the reason why and he is saying that you can get 150 00:13:58,62 --> 00:14:04,66 a copy of it and the other part of it is my understanding is the board is in these 151 00:14:04,87 --> 00:14:07,23 proposed exhibits from both sides for 152 00:14:07,24 --> 00:14:11,20 a while I mean he's had the opportunity to listen to them and while I think 153 00:14:11,21 --> 00:14:16,48 deliberations can be requested to be heard in public I think if indeed there is any 154 00:14:16,49 --> 00:14:20,29 listening to student information much to should certainly be close you know or 155 00:14:20,30 --> 00:14:24,48 quick last week you got tonight we could certainly close for that and I think 156 00:14:24,49 --> 00:14:25,27 that's provided for 157 00:14:25,28 --> 00:14:31,64 a lot and so. Mr T.'s let me start with the exhibit five 158 00:14:32,46 --> 00:14:38,36 which is the term contract are you saying that this term contract is any different 159 00:14:38,37 --> 00:14:41,68 than the one that she would have signed or electronically signed. 160 00:14:45,24 --> 00:14:51,92 I. Have person now OK I will take that objection under advisement this 161 00:14:51,93 --> 00:14:58,78 time let's turn to exhibit twenty four. Were you given the opportunity to 162 00:14:58,79 --> 00:15:05,66 review the tape yes OK but but but but but my primary objection is regard for 163 00:15:06,09 --> 00:15:13,03 I understand that and the council correct she all that I go to 164 00:15:13,04 --> 00:15:18,63 Mr ation Bill listen. That you know I did not hear her. 165 00:15:21,49 --> 00:15:28,38 The issue that at least for the audio that or the audio or two. 166 00:15:29,65 --> 00:15:36,51 If this name and and and just like your rules if you stayed at the 167 00:15:36,52 --> 00:15:42,35 outset this means that this war should you consider evidence and only ever present 168 00:15:42,36 --> 00:15:48,96 at the time not I'm not yesterday not by day. But the night so. That the war 169 00:15:49,14 --> 00:15:53,49 if the board listen to these audio recordings will I think Studer them in their 170 00:15:53,50 --> 00:15:57,19 deliberations and secondly I don't know 171 00:15:57,23 --> 00:16:04,15 a way around or answer for Dish. That 172 00:16:04,16 --> 00:16:10,70 wrestle with every day of the week as they should you know and and I know of no 173 00:16:10,71 --> 00:16:15,38 provision that would allow this war after we've asked it to be heard in open 174 00:16:15,39 --> 00:16:21,14 session and after we've asked that the board deliberate in open session I don't you 175 00:16:21,15 --> 00:16:27,29 know opportunity to lawfully considered these things that are right I will address 176 00:16:27,30 --> 00:16:32,37 that at this time school boards are permitted to go into closed session with regard 177 00:16:32,38 --> 00:16:38,90 to anything that would be federally protected like. For the purposes of 178 00:16:39,08 --> 00:16:44,59 just that or sion to listen as an example to listen to the tapes and the reason for 179 00:16:44,60 --> 00:16:50,77 that is because the Open Meetings Act as state law purpose federal law therefore it 180 00:16:50,78 --> 00:16:55,54 supersedes the requirement for the open meeting just for the purpose of listening 181 00:16:55,55 --> 00:17:00,97 to the tapes so at the end of the hearing when we are done with the. 182 00:17:02,18 --> 00:17:07,81 Hearing and the presentation of evidence the board will have the opportunity at 183 00:17:07,82 --> 00:17:13,70 that time if it chooses to go into closed session to listen to all or any portion 184 00:17:13,71 --> 00:17:20,62 of the tape. That it deems it wishes to listen so we will address that at that 185 00:17:20,63 --> 00:17:26,88 time. In that event that war does choose he said. 186 00:17:28,51 --> 00:17:35,02 That while yet. We. Were able. 187 00:17:36,25 --> 00:17:39,68 To be able. You'll hear. 188 00:17:47,04 --> 00:17:52,17 Well I think you were given the opportunity you indicated so as far as whether or 189 00:17:52,18 --> 00:17:57,47 not you won't listen with the board but if the board chooses to listen you're 190 00:17:57,48 --> 00:18:03,38 welcome to go and listen to it at the same time that's all right so at this time 191 00:18:03,42 --> 00:18:09,60 I'm going to introduce into evidence and except into evidence exhibits. 192 00:18:10,90 --> 00:18:17,58 One through twenty seven with the two objections noted and taken under 193 00:18:17,59 --> 00:18:23,45 advisement by Mr Ortiz as well as Jefferson exhibits one 194 00:18:23,47 --> 00:18:28,63 a through thirteen. There are now in evidence and neither party needs to spend time 195 00:18:28,63 --> 00:18:35,47 proving them up. All right. Then the witnesses who are 196 00:18:35,48 --> 00:18:38,34 currently present if you would stand at this time and be sworn in. 197 00:18:50,42 --> 00:18:55,28 Thank you and we will swear the other witness in when she comes back you know. The 198 00:18:55,32 --> 00:18:59,08 letter notifying the employer of the proposed non-renewal identifies the following 199 00:18:59,09 --> 00:19:05,93 reasons for the proposed action and they were found in the exhibit. One. The 200 00:19:05,94 --> 00:19:11,86 administration number one deficiencies pointed out in observations appraisals for 201 00:19:11,87 --> 00:19:18,26 evaluations supplemental memoranda or other communications remember to fulfill 202 00:19:18,27 --> 00:19:23,87 duties or responsibility three incompetency or inefficiency in the performance of 203 00:19:23,88 --> 00:19:29,48 duties and going by the policy number five insubordination or failure to comply 204 00:19:29,49 --> 00:19:34,13 with official directives six there to comply with foreign policies or ministry of 205 00:19:34,14 --> 00:19:37,93 regulations fifteen fill you to meet the district standards for professional 206 00:19:37,94 --> 00:19:43,03 conduct twenty two thirty to maintain an effective working relationship or maintain 207 00:19:43,04 --> 00:19:48,34 good report with parents the community or colleagues number twenty four behavior 208 00:19:48,69 --> 00:19:51,18 that presents a danger or physical harm to 209 00:19:51,19 --> 00:19:55,43 a student or to other individuals and number thirty five any reason constituting 210 00:19:55,44 --> 00:20:01,49 good cause for terminating the contract during its term. That letter also. 211 00:20:04,89 --> 00:20:11,42 Yes. I'm sorry members that I have. 212 00:20:16,38 --> 00:20:23,16 Said that members of the. Thank you I see we're I left out number 213 00:20:23,17 --> 00:20:29,93 twenty. And number twenty four it's there and you add that's correct. All right let 214 00:20:29,94 --> 00:20:34,75 me read them I apologize division C's pointed out in observation reports appraisals 215 00:20:34,76 --> 00:20:39,23 or evaluation supplemental memorandum or other communications to be able to fulfill 216 00:20:39,24 --> 00:20:43,15 duties or responsibilities DRI incompetency or inefficiency in the performance of 217 00:20:43,23 --> 00:20:48,51 duties five insubordination of failure to comply with the will direct of fifteen to 218 00:20:48,52 --> 00:20:52,20 meet the district stands of national conduct eight hundred thirty to comply with 219 00:20:52,21 --> 00:20:55,31 reasonable district requirements regarding advanced course work or national 220 00:20:55,35 --> 00:21:00,63 movement wrote twenty Any activity school connected or otherwise that because of 221 00:21:00,64 --> 00:21:04,37 publicity given it or knowledge of it among students faculty and community impairs 222 00:21:04,38 --> 00:21:07,77 or diminish the employee's effectiveness in the District twenty two thirty to 223 00:21:07,78 --> 00:21:11,42 maintain an effective working relationship or maintain good report with parents or 224 00:21:11,43 --> 00:21:15,71 community or colleagues thirty five any reason constituting good cause or permanent 225 00:21:15,72 --> 00:21:22,14 contract during its term the specific reasons. Include not limited to repeated 226 00:21:22,15 --> 00:21:24,68 unprofessional behavior be placed on 227 00:21:24,69 --> 00:21:28,73 a counselor in needs of assistance plan on November thirteenth two thousand and 228 00:21:28,74 --> 00:21:30,79 fifteen being placed on 229 00:21:30,80 --> 00:21:33,98 a counselor in need some assistance plan on December second two thousand and 230 00:21:33,99 --> 00:21:36,12 fourteen some more reason being placed on 231 00:21:36,13 --> 00:21:39,86 a professional growth plan on January twentieth two thousand and sixteen bear to 232 00:21:39,87 --> 00:21:44,08 successfully complete your growth and or intervention plan to address 233 00:21:44,28 --> 00:21:45,45 a concern regarding 234 00:21:45,46 --> 00:21:49,86 a student that was in crisis unprofessional and just for the spectacle conduct 235 00:21:50,14 --> 00:21:54,55 towards your colleagues and supervisors failing to follow proper procedures for 236 00:21:54,56 --> 00:21:56,68 leaving the campus and talking in 237 00:21:56,69 --> 00:22:01,16 a condescending manner and unprofessional tone with your colleagues and or 238 00:22:01,17 --> 00:22:01,90 supervisor. 239 00:22:13,95 --> 00:22:19,78 Are there any questions before you begin. Than at this time the administration may 240 00:22:19,79 --> 00:22:26,36 now present its case. How long would each of you like for opening 241 00:22:26,37 --> 00:22:26,97 statements. 242 00:22:33,33 --> 00:22:36,16 Alright we'll give you each three minutes that's part. 243 00:22:40,79 --> 00:22:45,39 Thank you ladies and gentlemen of the board president for being here tonight to 244 00:22:45,40 --> 00:22:45,82 consider 245 00:22:45,87 --> 00:22:51,77 a very important issue and that is the non-renewal of the contract of Miss Family 246 00:22:51,78 --> 00:22:53,63 Guy person who is currently 247 00:22:53,67 --> 00:22:59,45 a counselor at length now and then now like the strike Obama just listed off the 248 00:22:59,46 --> 00:23:06,20 administration has asserted nine grounds for justifying Mr Jefferson's non-renewal 249 00:23:06,77 --> 00:23:12,13 nine grounds specifics beyond that and you'll hear more specifics tonight and 250 00:23:12,14 --> 00:23:14,62 you'll see if it's even more so to 251 00:23:14,63 --> 00:23:19,76 a greater extent in our That it's all supporting those nine grounds you'll hear 252 00:23:19,77 --> 00:23:26,01 ample evidence that that all nine grounds are are one just that you know in 253 00:23:26,02 --> 00:23:30,32 supporting Mr Jefferson's on renewing our ever under policy D.F.E. 254 00:23:30,33 --> 00:23:36,35 Be legal in ministration is only required to prove one and we're only required to 255 00:23:36,36 --> 00:23:37,47 prove one by 256 00:23:37,48 --> 00:23:41,75 a preponderance of the evidence that means fifty one percent of the evidence not 257 00:23:41,76 --> 00:23:47,19 preponderance asked to support one of our nine rounds for terminations So that's 258 00:23:47,20 --> 00:23:53,11 a low burden for the administration to meet but beyond those legalities and what's 259 00:23:53,60 --> 00:24:00,02 a lot more important is what's at stake here. And what you hear in the testimony is 260 00:24:00,03 --> 00:24:04,82 that what is at stake here is to students who are very young from 261 00:24:04,86 --> 00:24:09,52 a school district or school at a school that has 262 00:24:10,02 --> 00:24:13,61 a lot of social emotional issues students with 263 00:24:13,62 --> 00:24:19,32 a lot of social emotional issues and some behavioral issues and there are very high 264 00:24:19,33 --> 00:24:23,96 needs districts they are in need of counseling services and they are in need of 265 00:24:23,97 --> 00:24:29,81 a counselor who is committed to providing them the quality of counseling services 266 00:24:30,09 --> 00:24:30,67 that we as 267 00:24:30,68 --> 00:24:36,14 a district can be proud of that we can stand behind and that these children are 268 00:24:36,15 --> 00:24:41,39 entitled to I think the evidence I know the evidence will show that that has not 269 00:24:41,40 --> 00:24:46,36 been occurring since Miss Johnson has been counselor. And so that's 270 00:24:46,37 --> 00:24:50,76 a very that's the critical issue here beyond just the grounds and that and the 271 00:24:50,77 --> 00:24:55,82 legalities is the crux of the issue is the children and whether they are getting 272 00:24:55,83 --> 00:24:59,14 the services that they need I think you're going to hear 273 00:24:59,28 --> 00:25:03,73 a lot of distractions and he tracting from the real issues tonight 274 00:25:04,07 --> 00:25:08,85 a lot of anger pointing and well if you think my conduct was bad wait till you hear 275 00:25:08,86 --> 00:25:13,97 what this guy did remember why we're here we're here to talk about the non-renewal 276 00:25:13,98 --> 00:25:18,39 of misjudging that no one else is here due to it to be determined whether they're 277 00:25:18,40 --> 00:25:22,93 contractors were new and so all of those are red herrings and their destruction is 278 00:25:23,33 --> 00:25:27,96 and so as I said you'll hear evidence supporting all nine rounds we only have to 279 00:25:27,97 --> 00:25:34,21 prove one and that's why we're here tonight we have that evidence and that's why 280 00:25:34,22 --> 00:25:38,38 we're asking for you to go in support of the non-renewal of this truck so thank you 281 00:25:39,19 --> 00:25:45,23 thank you. Maturities would you like to do your opening statement now or before 282 00:25:45,24 --> 00:25:51,96 your case begins now thank you let me stand like I stand for your 283 00:25:52,75 --> 00:25:58,88 stay on Earth and time standing out square among us on 284 00:26:01,28 --> 00:26:05,79 my first opportunity. To hear before the board room 285 00:26:08,30 --> 00:26:12,23 I agree. That this is 286 00:26:12,24 --> 00:26:18,96 a serious. I think the lawyers in this room can agree on not one year 287 00:26:18,97 --> 00:26:25,49 old that in the point said in the educational 288 00:26:25,77 --> 00:26:29,26 sector is what to creation what we're reallocation of 289 00:26:29,27 --> 00:26:36,10 a woman after every been Auburn you ever been proposal or no new life terminated so 290 00:26:36,23 --> 00:26:43,23 yes this is so and so you ask why are we here if 291 00:26:43,24 --> 00:26:49,33 it's so serious why why she contestant so 292 00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:53,66 that Mr Jefferson is 293 00:26:53,78 --> 00:27:00,74 a single of three Will aged children so rich 294 00:27:02,50 --> 00:27:09,48 and that if nothing else she has she has principle and she asked 295 00:27:09,49 --> 00:27:12,77 me because no one has asked before me here 296 00:27:12,78 --> 00:27:19,69 a person I don't know of I think one of the I don't know about destruction 297 00:27:19,73 --> 00:27:25,87 we're trying to give our side and our side here. I think 298 00:27:25,88 --> 00:27:30,26 substantial I think once you listen to the have them and really be out the day 299 00:27:30,30 --> 00:27:30,84 dream you have 300 00:27:30,85 --> 00:27:37,43 a baby you're the judge and the trier of fact you're trained by force and they 301 00:27:37,64 --> 00:27:44,56 are. And don't just are on administrations recommendation don't you that's not 302 00:27:44,57 --> 00:27:49,60 fair because it's too serious this is not a group it's just like 303 00:27:49,61 --> 00:27:56,56 a terminations no man from that will lead the effort back. I submit to you 304 00:27:56,60 --> 00:27:58,06 this is nothing more than 305 00:27:58,10 --> 00:28:04,14 a personality conflict we were in my car and the building print all the affidavit 306 00:28:04,21 --> 00:28:10,10 look at there also orphans of principle and they all say the same right 307 00:28:12,31 --> 00:28:19,25 from day one we couldn't give. Up. That you'll 308 00:28:19,26 --> 00:28:23,92 hear her talk about her love she began teaching here and go through both from 309 00:28:23,93 --> 00:28:26,05 school and promote 310 00:28:26,06 --> 00:28:31,24 a school counselor in working poor who you're going for your principal or life and 311 00:28:31,25 --> 00:28:37,57 from day one so false starts saying everybody doesn't like you don't go along with 312 00:28:37,58 --> 00:28:44,39 a don't non-revenue based upon person this is who's to listen all the 313 00:28:44,40 --> 00:28:49,93 evidence and you decide and you decide whether or not that there is the patient 314 00:28:49,98 --> 00:28:54,70 haven't bought it. Thank you. 315 00:28:57,22 --> 00:29:03,04 All right at this time the administration may call terse went it ministration would 316 00:29:03,05 --> 00:29:04,59 like to call family Jefferson. 317 00:29:12,74 --> 00:29:19,70 And have make sure speak up. If you would bring the microphone towards you. 318 00:29:21,72 --> 00:29:27,45 Let me remind you that your. Receipt. 319 00:29:29,12 --> 00:29:31,39 Can you please state your name and where in 320 00:29:31,40 --> 00:29:36,85 a Jefferson you're just mentioned here you know it's money could you speak up yes 321 00:29:37,24 --> 00:29:42,41 keep your counsel just mention that you're the counselor act one help yes man and 322 00:29:42,42 --> 00:29:43,09 before that you're 323 00:29:43,10 --> 00:29:49,90 a teacher beginning in seven yes maybe I just said yes and you're OK now 324 00:29:50,11 --> 00:29:56,27 I'm going to ask you to find her on your able to hear you're going to submit it to 325 00:29:56,52 --> 00:29:58,10 turn to your exhibit. 326 00:30:18,46 --> 00:30:25,27 Now you wrote at rebuttal to every. Everybody from me on that you were cracked and 327 00:30:25,28 --> 00:30:25,82 so you wrote 328 00:30:25,83 --> 00:30:30,40 a rebuttal to every affidavit that the administration submitted Yes OK. 329 00:30:32,96 --> 00:30:33,67 So this is 330 00:30:33,68 --> 00:30:37,93 a robot all to your reprimand your first reprimand that you received during the 331 00:30:38,20 --> 00:30:43,76 thirteen fourteen school year when you first came to one hell correct and this is 332 00:30:43,77 --> 00:30:49,97 five high This is from yours or. From your notebook 333 00:30:51,97 --> 00:30:56,65 Yes ma'am and so this was in reference to that you were late for the start testing 334 00:30:56,66 --> 00:31:03,62 correct. Not for the start testing in the morning times we had not meant 335 00:31:03,63 --> 00:31:09,85 to start testing. I was about two minutes late for the material handout OK and 336 00:31:09,85 --> 00:31:14,38 you're at that at your school you're the director of test Karo Courtenay to test 337 00:31:14,39 --> 00:31:18,64 last year test OK so what time to school start at eight 338 00:31:18,64 --> 00:31:21,78 o five OK And what time did you show up to stay about 339 00:31:21,82 --> 00:31:27,86 a fifteen OK and so did you immediately tell well before you got to school did you 340 00:31:27,87 --> 00:31:33,68 tell your principal that you were going to be late no ma'am and in and did you tell 341 00:31:33,70 --> 00:31:39,60 anyone Yes I contacted my guidance to. Let her know that I would be late into Tell 342 00:31:39,60 --> 00:31:45,81 Miss around this because it is her name is also Barbara same as that Anna and she's 343 00:31:45,82 --> 00:31:50,68 normally the first person at the school. Did you have misfire all cell phone number 344 00:31:50,68 --> 00:31:57,46 . At the time I did not OK She provides about all of her employees cracked. I'm 345 00:31:57,47 --> 00:32:01,07 not sure if she does but at the time I didn't have her cell phone and you had her 346 00:32:01,08 --> 00:32:06,57 email address. I did have an e-mail address is me so when you came in. 347 00:32:07,70 --> 00:32:13,63 You. Went and you started doing your duties and the first time you talked to Miss 348 00:32:13,64 --> 00:32:18,70 moralists to let her know why you were tardy was when you wrote her an email at 349 00:32:18,75 --> 00:32:20,21 around nine twenty correct. 350 00:32:26,02 --> 00:32:31,18 When I came to the office Miss morale this am I gotta stick Miss morale this was 351 00:32:31,18 --> 00:32:36,29 then and at the door so she saw me arrive to the room at the time that I arrived 352 00:32:36,95 --> 00:32:43,19 and I say good morning to her. But you didn't tell her that that you were late or 353 00:32:43,20 --> 00:32:48,44 why you're waiting late until nine twenty when you emailed her correct. I can't 354 00:32:48,45 --> 00:32:55,23 remember. If you'll turn to page three 355 00:32:55,40 --> 00:33:02,29 your statement that you wrote. And at the bottom can you read it that says around 356 00:33:02,30 --> 00:33:08,85 nine twenty and forty nine I think it's Am I said Mr Ellis I replied to my 357 00:33:08,86 --> 00:33:14,01 message indicating to her the reason for my typing this which is shown below. 358 00:33:15,87 --> 00:33:22,10 I'm sorry can we job. You know. 359 00:33:25,24 --> 00:33:31,77 The bottom of page three. OK. 360 00:33:34,11 --> 00:33:38,43 So that was the first time that you let your administrator know that you were light 361 00:33:38,47 --> 00:33:45,21 or sarcastic. Now that I see you know right. And so you also told the 362 00:33:45,22 --> 00:33:51,01 smallest time that. It was OK that you were late because she was certain she was 363 00:33:51,02 --> 00:33:56,65 also certified to give testing correct no ma'am no ma'am I didn't tell her that it 364 00:33:56,66 --> 00:34:03,59 was OK and then I was late and she's sort of fired to give testing and what I heard 365 00:34:03,60 --> 00:34:09,57 was is that. She made the statement that. 366 00:34:11,64 --> 00:34:17,54 Diana morale is great I need to be here on time and I I said to her as if there was 367 00:34:17,55 --> 00:34:22,84 a problem to occur having been over testing and she could have assisted her in my 368 00:34:22,85 --> 00:34:27,59 tartly So do you think that's acceptable to tell your supervisor that you could 369 00:34:27,60 --> 00:34:31,87 have assisted you know if I was just because I was you know I was late but you 370 00:34:31,88 --> 00:34:37,50 could have assisted. Not in 371 00:34:37,51 --> 00:34:44,26 a which the way you just spoke it was say it. Would that 372 00:34:44,27 --> 00:34:48,25 mean that if there were something to happen you could have assisted her while was 373 00:34:48,30 --> 00:34:54,83 gone and you also told her that. You family comes first and if she doesn't 374 00:34:54,84 --> 00:34:56,06 understand that then she has 375 00:34:56,07 --> 00:35:02,32 a problem cracked Well that was after she stated to me as 376 00:35:02,33 --> 00:35:06,58 a parent you should do this thing that. You say you should do is. 377 00:35:10,41 --> 00:35:14,14 Not her direct quote because I'm in a while but she was there and as 378 00:35:14,15 --> 00:35:21,04 a parent. I should have. Got my kid Obama on time and made 379 00:35:21,05 --> 00:35:26,74 sure it is she didn't miss the bus and do you disagree with that on STAR testing 380 00:35:26,75 --> 00:35:31,26 day excuse me do you disagree with that you should have done that on Star casting 381 00:35:31,27 --> 00:35:35,49 day but our idea what my daughter yes when I was explaining to her why she missed 382 00:35:35,50 --> 00:35:42,08 the bus I don't know and. Wasn't this Morales's 383 00:35:42,09 --> 00:35:46,59 problem not so much that you put your family first but maybe that the Arlington I 384 00:35:46,60 --> 00:35:47,89 asked you students didn't have 385 00:35:47,90 --> 00:35:53,48 a testing Corgan and were there when the school day began. As I stated before the 386 00:35:53,49 --> 00:36:00,42 tests did not start this this normally stars around nine am so 387 00:36:01,79 --> 00:36:04,63 I'm not sure the school day starts at eight 388 00:36:04,64 --> 00:36:10,16 o five yes ma'am. And you don't think that you need to be there before the test 389 00:36:10,17 --> 00:36:12,06 actually begins this was 390 00:36:12,07 --> 00:36:18,50 a plan occurence so I was not expecting to be late. So it but then you also told 391 00:36:18,51 --> 00:36:23,49 her they also have to leave early today which was still start testing day correct 392 00:36:24,30 --> 00:36:30,37 yes ma'am the start test because it was on the fifth grade science and I believe 393 00:36:30,41 --> 00:36:30,93 it's like 394 00:36:30,94 --> 00:36:36,36 a three hour test so the testing would have been over by the time that I was 395 00:36:36,37 --> 00:36:40,56 requesting to meet and there's never any unforseen issues that a car that may be 396 00:36:40,57 --> 00:36:44,46 a testing director would need to be there for our testing coordinator would need to 397 00:36:44,47 --> 00:36:49,19 be you know I'm not sure because it's unforseen right so there could be as you're 398 00:36:49,20 --> 00:36:52,72 saying it's possible there could be unforeseen issues that would require your 399 00:36:52,73 --> 00:36:59,36 presence. Not for sure if it would occur or not and you also said you needed to 400 00:36:59,37 --> 00:37:00,95 leave the next day which was also 401 00:37:00,96 --> 00:37:07,53 a start testing day early for your daughter's birthday by one o'clock. I would have 402 00:37:07,54 --> 00:37:12,63 to look at the actual dates to see what I stated you don't recall saying that you 403 00:37:12,64 --> 00:37:17,81 needed to leave early I do requests to leave but it was after the start to have 404 00:37:17,82 --> 00:37:22,57 been completed and I was relieved of my testing parnate of duties aside from 405 00:37:22,62 --> 00:37:28,02 unforseen issues which you could not proceed correct Well I wasn't going to leave 406 00:37:28,03 --> 00:37:32,52 until it was totally fish banished because we have to pack up and take the stuff to 407 00:37:32,53 --> 00:37:38,92 the testing office and I have to be there for that. Did you know about your 408 00:37:38,93 --> 00:37:43,04 daughter's birthday before the day before one thing and I would need to see the 409 00:37:43,05 --> 00:37:45,67 days to see if it was actually the date of 410 00:37:45,68 --> 00:37:52,53 a STAR testing date so do you think that 411 00:37:52,54 --> 00:37:55,15 it's professional to tell your supervisor that she has 412 00:37:55,16 --> 00:38:02,07 a problem. As it relates to the conversation that we had. 413 00:38:03,62 --> 00:38:04,99 For her to tell me as 414 00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:11,62 a parent what I needed to do. And to explain to her that if my kid missed the bus I 415 00:38:11,63 --> 00:38:12,79 have to take her to school. 416 00:38:19,01 --> 00:38:26,01 On object nonresponsive. Why don't you ask the question again do you 417 00:38:26,02 --> 00:38:29,23 think that it's professional to tell your supervisor that she has 418 00:38:29,24 --> 00:38:40,27 a problem. When 419 00:38:40,28 --> 00:38:42,65 his relating to this statement and I state it's 420 00:38:42,66 --> 00:38:49,28 a no I don't mean you turn to the OR to the last 421 00:38:49,89 --> 00:38:55,58 page same exhibit. And you see 422 00:38:55,59 --> 00:38:57,63 a paragraph it's just scary 423 00:38:57,64 --> 00:39:00,72 a whole paragraph there that says When I first started on. 424 00:39:09,02 --> 00:39:11,82 It's board or in the yard with 425 00:39:11,95 --> 00:39:18,19 a book. And were just trying to make that work disrespectful and the first cold 426 00:39:18,20 --> 00:39:23,94 heart that starts with when I feel. So says When I first started on September ninth 427 00:39:23,95 --> 00:39:26,81 two thousand and thirteen which has been about seven months on the job I've been 428 00:39:26,82 --> 00:39:30,35 dealing with the clerk at the front desk the secretary the SPED team leader 429 00:39:30,36 --> 00:39:34,52 instructional coaches and if you choose teachers who are not pleased with the 430 00:39:34,53 --> 00:39:41,14 scheduling of local assessments remember I did not yes ma'am so it's your 431 00:39:41,15 --> 00:39:45,47 position that Miss Morales took their took all of those people side over yours. 432 00:39:47,09 --> 00:39:51,72 Could you repeat the question that your position that everything that those people 433 00:39:51,73 --> 00:39:56,86 said about you was believed and your your response was not believed by Mr Ellis. 434 00:39:59,80 --> 00:40:05,18 Relating to man. Well the next and you say in all cases I've been accused and not 435 00:40:05,19 --> 00:40:10,30 once has my side of the story been heard so can we assume from the smallest 436 00:40:10,31 --> 00:40:14,84 supposably believe their side of the story and not yours I'm not sure if she 437 00:40:14,85 --> 00:40:20,58 believed what they said but I was they that it was not like. 438 00:40:22,85 --> 00:40:29,62 She didn't ask me my portion of the story so all seven of those people 439 00:40:30,05 --> 00:40:33,80 within the verse are all those people sorry but in the first seven months on the 440 00:40:33,81 --> 00:40:40,54 job I complained. I don't know that she never told me who those people were. This 441 00:40:40,55 --> 00:40:43,75 was reading written. As 442 00:40:43,76 --> 00:40:50,55 a state it the clerk at the front desk. The 443 00:40:50,56 --> 00:40:57,01 Secretary. The spare team leader. Instructional 444 00:40:57,02 --> 00:41:03,93 coaches. So we will start with I guess the first three best because that 445 00:41:03,94 --> 00:41:09,96 was reprimand that stated that. These people had made 446 00:41:09,97 --> 00:41:16,88 a comment So what not. So are yours is it your position that all of 447 00:41:16,89 --> 00:41:20,52 these people lied about what they said about you and you were the one being 448 00:41:20,53 --> 00:41:27,12 truthful. I can say that they lied about what they told me as morale as she 449 00:41:27,13 --> 00:41:32,41 never really told me like what they said she always just said everybody is thinking 450 00:41:32,42 --> 00:41:36,95 it and it must be true the particular situation that I'm talking about in that 451 00:41:37,37 --> 00:41:43,07 particular paragraph is with me knowing that if something happened not what she and 452 00:41:43,08 --> 00:41:50,08 for me of you all it was like you were as she 453 00:41:50,09 --> 00:41:56,70 is the district director of testing. And you've also documented in your 454 00:41:56,71 --> 00:42:01,08 responses that she said that you were disrespectful and she was concerned that 455 00:42:01,09 --> 00:42:05,37 you're incapable of coronating start testing your call writing not that's what Mr 456 00:42:05,38 --> 00:42:06,53 Ellis wrote on 457 00:42:06,54 --> 00:42:11,74 a reprimand OK so is Miss work so the smallest said that but Miss Moore miss for us 458 00:42:11,92 --> 00:42:16,20 yes ma'am OK it was Miss Miss whereas wasn't being accurate about you when she 459 00:42:16,21 --> 00:42:23,19 thought that. I was not being disrespectful of the man. And can 460 00:42:23,20 --> 00:42:26,83 you please flip to your exhibit for a H. 461 00:42:26,84 --> 00:42:27,22 Four. 462 00:42:38,86 --> 00:42:45,59 Can. They getting in the middle of the page you wrote so everyone that. 463 00:42:48,41 --> 00:42:49,21 I would say it would be 464 00:42:49,22 --> 00:42:53,26 a difference of opinion opinion as to whether my behavior was aggressive or 465 00:42:53,27 --> 00:42:54,69 disrespectful so it could be 466 00:42:54,70 --> 00:42:58,99 a difference of opinion people could have differing opinions about whether your 467 00:42:59,00 --> 00:43:02,56 behavior was aggressive Merton's respectable correct I'm sorry I was on the wrong. 468 00:43:04,98 --> 00:43:11,91 You follow where I am now. What it's for and where is it located it's age 469 00:43:11,91 --> 00:43:12,44 four. 470 00:43:29,24 --> 00:43:32,60 Is there it says in the middle of the page there I would say it may be 471 00:43:32,61 --> 00:43:36,85 a difference of opinion as to whether my behavior was aggressive or disrespectful 472 00:43:43,58 --> 00:43:50,53 you see that. No ma'am I'm trying to find it do you 473 00:43:50,54 --> 00:43:55,70 recall writing that. I believe I wrote something to that Affairs 474 00:43:55,71 --> 00:44:01,92 a different finding find. Page for 475 00:44:01,93 --> 00:44:06,99 a while yes that's why it's exhibit or 476 00:44:07,48 --> 00:44:09,67 a. Page four of that exhibit. 477 00:44:14,66 --> 00:44:21,24 OK. This is the rebuttal in the statement for Miss Byers 478 00:44:21,45 --> 00:44:28,00 right and on her. Statement is says that I was aggressive and disrespectful 479 00:44:28,57 --> 00:44:33,80 so I was responding to that statement from her so you and Miss Byers may have 480 00:44:33,81 --> 00:44:37,29 a difference of opinion as to whether you were aggressive or just respectful or not 481 00:44:37,30 --> 00:44:40,16 just saying you weren't you were saying maybe there was 482 00:44:40,17 --> 00:44:43,40 a difference of opinion between us you know I am saying that I was not 483 00:44:43,41 --> 00:44:48,82 disrespectful. And I was responding to the statement but the affidavit from his 484 00:44:48,83 --> 00:44:53,73 biters you go on to say it was not my attempt to be disrespectful or aggressive 485 00:44:53,74 --> 00:44:58,27 rather it was my need to refute inconsistent accusations and claims by Claudia 486 00:44:58,28 --> 00:45:03,84 morale us relating to my as formerly by your stated shortcomings in my performance 487 00:45:03,89 --> 00:45:09,60 or attitude and failure to follow district protocols also noted in sworn affidavits 488 00:45:09,61 --> 00:45:14,64 of us foster Lisa sharp Brandon Hall and Emily Barone Christine or choose her 489 00:45:14,65 --> 00:45:16,41 Nando's Robert B. 490 00:45:16,42 --> 00:45:17,42 a Radio and 491 00:45:17,43 --> 00:45:24,41 a Philips and Elizabeth Robbins rocked. Yes ma'am I didn't 492 00:45:24,42 --> 00:45:28,49 write them what was there another question that you were asking the first question 493 00:45:28,50 --> 00:45:33,84 is did you write it yes now OK and the next question is Were all of those people 494 00:45:33,85 --> 00:45:38,07 being untruthful about you about your shortcomings and performance your poor 495 00:45:38,08 --> 00:45:43,31 attitude and your failure to follow district protocols. I'm not sure if they were 496 00:45:43,32 --> 00:45:49,62 truthful you would need to ask them. My wee bottles too what was given in the 497 00:45:49,63 --> 00:45:54,46 affidavit is my choice which was never to be disrespectful 498 00:45:57,03 --> 00:46:02,70 so contrary to what your counsel said earlier you know foster Lisa sharp and 499 00:46:02,71 --> 00:46:09,70 Brandon Holland are not under our not under mists paralysis supervision correct. 500 00:46:11,22 --> 00:46:15,75 Could you repeat the question you know foster Lisa Sharpe and Brandon Holland 501 00:46:16,03 --> 00:46:21,15 Holland are not well Brendan Holland is the minister you know fostering Lisa yes 502 00:46:21,16 --> 00:46:26,27 Foster and Kim Byers I'm sorry let me start over you know Foster and Ken buyers are 503 00:46:26,28 --> 00:46:32,62 not under mists were Alice is supervision correct Yes ma'am that's correct OK and 504 00:46:32,63 --> 00:46:36,67 Mr Hollande is an assistant principal correct yes these are not all these people 505 00:46:36,68 --> 00:46:43,62 are teachers who are saying this no man. So let's move 506 00:46:43,63 --> 00:46:49,54 to the twenty fourteen fifteen school year. So you received reprimands correct on 507 00:46:49,55 --> 00:46:53,59 November sixth the fourteenth it's November sixth twenty fourteen 508 00:46:56,75 --> 00:47:03,60 is that correct. I believe so if that's what's indicated in my documentation and. 509 00:47:09,08 --> 00:47:16,08 Several things asserted in here. On Exhibit eighteen and this 510 00:47:16,10 --> 00:47:21,37 is the district's Exhibit eighteen as of one of the November sixth twenty teen. 511 00:47:24,63 --> 00:47:25,32 Reprimands. 512 00:47:39,71 --> 00:47:44,38 Mr Obama Yes Can I ask both sides to be very clear about where they're looking in 513 00:47:44,39 --> 00:47:50,51 these documents to give us time to find those before they proceed absolutely so 514 00:47:50,52 --> 00:47:56,76 instructed thank you Exhibit eighteen for the district so. 515 00:47:58,87 --> 00:48:04,98 This was your one of your reprimands and the first thing that's one of the things 516 00:48:04,99 --> 00:48:11,10 that's addressed is that. Miss Ortiz Hernandez one of the teachers asked that you 517 00:48:11,11 --> 00:48:12,10 see her student for 518 00:48:12,11 --> 00:48:17,31 a counseling at the mother's request to remember that request that the student was 519 00:48:17,32 --> 00:48:22,25 getting in trouble that he had been on fifteen days suspension and making 520 00:48:22,26 --> 00:48:27,21 threatening students threatening comments to the teacher do you remember that So 521 00:48:27,22 --> 00:48:33,23 what. And that request was made to you on September the twenty third Do you recall 522 00:48:33,24 --> 00:48:39,91 that. I'm not sure what the date to be 523 00:48:39,92 --> 00:48:44,30 a hunter was Sampras least looked at Page ninety three and the district does have 524 00:48:44,31 --> 00:48:46,62 if you look at the bottom it says A.S.D. 525 00:48:46,92 --> 00:48:52,40 That's the numbering that I'm afforded to you. OK. 526 00:48:59,31 --> 00:49:05,02 So now it's Ortiz Hernandez says I turn in 527 00:49:05,03 --> 00:49:09,17 a parent consent form and requesting what are you on page ninety three. 528 00:49:21,36 --> 00:49:25,76 And they're requesting counseling counseling form last Tuesday September twenty 529 00:49:25,77 --> 00:49:27,60 third A What is the date of a C. 530 00:49:27,61 --> 00:49:34,36 Mail September thirtieth OK so she said she hasn't heard from you 531 00:49:34,68 --> 00:49:40,09 and that the parent has requested counseling and she on her from you since she 532 00:49:40,10 --> 00:49:44,68 e-mailed you on the instant she e-mailed you on the twenty third correct that's 533 00:49:44,69 --> 00:49:51,10 what her statement says yes ma'am and looking to page one hundred ninety four. 534 00:49:52,42 --> 00:49:58,24 You responded that day and you said. I have been very busy that was part of what 535 00:49:58,25 --> 00:50:01,69 you said and at the end there you said I'll try my very best to schedule 536 00:50:01,70 --> 00:50:08,04 a time to see him this week you think it's acceptable to say that you didn't call 537 00:50:08,05 --> 00:50:12,46 in a student for a week or even respond to a referral for counseling for 538 00:50:12,47 --> 00:50:18,63 a week because you've been busy. I don't know 539 00:50:19,28 --> 00:50:23,63 that that form was turned directly into me. It could 540 00:50:23,64 --> 00:50:29,62 a man placed in my mailbox I don't recall her giving me specifically the form so 541 00:50:29,63 --> 00:50:34,27 when you said absolutely in your e-mail that meant you didn't recall her giving it 542 00:50:34,28 --> 00:50:34,68 a form. 543 00:50:48,86 --> 00:50:55,84 Absolutely man then I can sit down and meet with her so now your position is that 544 00:50:55,85 --> 00:50:59,68 you don't remember getting the form that you can get on the twenty third I can't 545 00:50:59,69 --> 00:51:03,04 recall you can argue that. Well I'll give 546 00:51:03,05 --> 00:51:08,10 a little bit of leeway but be cautious with what you answer but let's all move on 547 00:51:08,92 --> 00:51:14,67 and you flip to your exhibit five eight and you're going to have to count it's age 548 00:51:14,68 --> 00:51:19,28 seven. And that's by your I mean Mr Jefferson's exhibit I.V. 549 00:51:19,32 --> 00:51:20,19 Each page that. 550 00:51:40,46 --> 00:51:45,95 It says My response. Mr Ellis This is what you just read busted. 551 00:51:50,21 --> 00:51:53,51 My. Page seven. 552 00:52:06,58 --> 00:52:10,68 Is a page it's Page Six OK I'm sorry I was trying to you know it was 553 00:52:10,69 --> 00:52:17,64 a page like. That starts with my response Mrs Morel us everyone see that and 554 00:52:17,65 --> 00:52:19,13 at the bottom it says A and C. 555 00:52:19,13 --> 00:52:22,01 . Not 556 00:52:22,02 --> 00:52:28,54 a yes or OK So this was your response to that exhibit eighteen reprimand 557 00:52:28,58 --> 00:52:29,06 correct. 558 00:52:40,07 --> 00:52:40,59 This is 559 00:52:40,60 --> 00:52:45,25 a response to reprimand Number two is that the one you speak you know yes we are 560 00:52:45,26 --> 00:52:49,65 just talking about OK so in A.N.C. 561 00:52:50,14 --> 00:52:54,91 You talk about the students that Miss Ortiz Hernandez asked you about and you said 562 00:52:55,18 --> 00:53:00,14 this particular student has behavior issues which the teacher is frustrated or 563 00:53:00,15 --> 00:53:05,37 recall you just doesn't allow me to practice there or by what the student may need 564 00:53:05,89 --> 00:53:12,26 beyond what I can offer so in this e-mail the reason you can see the student wasn't 565 00:53:12,27 --> 00:53:16,29 they are in this response the reason you can see the student was because you were 566 00:53:16,30 --> 00:53:18,46 busy it was because you can't provide 567 00:53:18,47 --> 00:53:25,36 a student with behavior issues there wrecked. I'm not sure what you're asking 568 00:53:25,37 --> 00:53:30,03 me Well what I'm asking is when you e-mailed in 569 00:53:30,04 --> 00:53:34,80 a sorties Fernando's you said you've been very busy and that's why you're seeing 570 00:53:34,81 --> 00:53:39,26 the student and now when we flip your response you're saying that you can't see the 571 00:53:39,27 --> 00:53:43,12 student because it's just as behavior issues in the district as 572 00:53:43,13 --> 00:53:48,40 a lot you practice there if I recall correctly the first hour and I said that I was 573 00:53:48,41 --> 00:53:54,29 busy it was due to academic checks the district had incorporated an additional set 574 00:53:54,30 --> 00:54:01,25 of assessments. The twenty fourteen twenty fifteen school year in addition 575 00:54:01,26 --> 00:54:07,72 to all the other assessments this scene in this rebuttal is saying that 576 00:54:08,18 --> 00:54:14,19 I referred to student to U T A So the first thing is that I wasn't able to see him 577 00:54:14,68 --> 00:54:21,17 during the day or whenever she requested it and the second one is the clarification 578 00:54:21,60 --> 00:54:24,86 is that whenever they have severe knees or there is 579 00:54:24,87 --> 00:54:29,87 a something happened with the family you normally refer them to you T.J. 580 00:54:30,46 --> 00:54:37,29 So. It's district procedure except for the district you just reversed didn't 581 00:54:38,11 --> 00:54:43,59 provide service it's just when you say counsellors I was what do you mean I mean. 582 00:54:48,18 --> 00:54:54,92 We see the student to hell with behaviors that we can handle according to the 583 00:54:54,93 --> 00:54:58,76 district's protocol but if it's something that we feel as though and it needs to be 584 00:54:58,77 --> 00:54:59,84 address with 585 00:54:59,85 --> 00:55:07,31 a licensed professional counselor we refer them to you so there's no. Partnership 586 00:55:07,37 --> 00:55:13,87 So you're working with us on campus and working with. US If there was 587 00:55:13,88 --> 00:55:14,47 a duty to have 588 00:55:14,48 --> 00:55:20,53 a partnership Yes I would love to see the student. And work on the things that I'm 589 00:55:20,54 --> 00:55:25,06 able to do with them I'm my school counselor license but in this particular case 590 00:55:25,11 --> 00:55:31,38 you couldn't do what it states. That his behavior 591 00:55:31,40 --> 00:55:35,86 issues and the things are going on with his family is what caused him to be 592 00:55:36,29 --> 00:55:40,94 referred to you and you referred to that in your parts of your exhibits that 593 00:55:40,94 --> 00:55:47,35 students had early behavior issues and not social emotional issues that that was 594 00:55:47,36 --> 00:55:51,48 outside of your realm of expertise is that correct I don't believe. 595 00:55:56,13 --> 00:55:59,53 What I want to make clear is that as 596 00:55:59,54 --> 00:56:05,68 a school counsellor sometimes it is misunderstood that we perform therapy or. 597 00:56:08,27 --> 00:56:13,47 What would be in the Rams are licensed professional counsellor and so that's what 598 00:56:13,48 --> 00:56:15,59 I'm saying OK and you flip 599 00:56:15,60 --> 00:56:27,32 a couple just more to you letter. Your letter. And 600 00:56:27,33 --> 00:56:31,57 the second sentence you said this particular student has this particular issue is 601 00:56:31,58 --> 00:56:34,40 truly behavior. He doesn't have 602 00:56:34,41 --> 00:56:38,33 a new social or emotional issues and the administration wants me to meet with them 603 00:56:38,33 --> 00:56:44,68 . So if that's your only house behavior issues then you're not supposed to meet 604 00:56:44,69 --> 00:56:50,93 with them I'm sorry I don't know which. Is a five D. 605 00:56:50,97 --> 00:56:56,56 Your it's your problem that it takes a bit we were just on with the U.K. 606 00:56:56,61 --> 00:57:02,24 We were just reading right. That's major goes to be and then it's. 607 00:57:04,41 --> 00:57:11,08 On the next page. Or two or it starts with Mr Holland call me OK this is for 608 00:57:11,09 --> 00:57:12,59 a different Yeah it's 609 00:57:12,60 --> 00:57:17,13 a different but this is an issue where you said the particular issue is truly 610 00:57:17,15 --> 00:57:21,85 behavior doesn't have any social or emotional issues and the administration wants 611 00:57:21,86 --> 00:57:27,51 me to meet with. That's what I wrote. So you believe that if 612 00:57:27,55 --> 00:57:32,31 a student house behavior issues and not social or emotional issues you don't have 613 00:57:32,32 --> 00:57:37,38 a duty to me I don't believe and I believe that if if there is 614 00:57:38,03 --> 00:57:41,85 a situation that warrants U.T.A. 615 00:57:41,86 --> 00:57:48,58 Actually for them just for students maybe. Without counseling 616 00:57:48,71 --> 00:57:55,48 at school. Not particularly licensed professional counseling I'll go in and 617 00:57:55,49 --> 00:57:59,96 talk to them and talk about good choices and things that happened this particular 618 00:57:59,97 --> 00:58:01,72 student was 619 00:58:01,73 --> 00:58:06,28 a kindergarten and Mr Holland call and asked me could I give him Miss Sharp 620 00:58:06,29 --> 00:58:12,61 a break and this particular student would not follow her directions he will walk 621 00:58:12,71 --> 00:58:15,92 run down the hallway he would. Jump on 622 00:58:15,93 --> 00:58:22,57 a carpet he would not follow her directions so this was not that the student needed 623 00:58:22,58 --> 00:58:23,84 to see me it was to give her 624 00:58:23,85 --> 00:58:31,90 a break from him not following her directions. So 625 00:58:31,91 --> 00:58:35,92 in this situation where the student was having behavioral issues and an issue where 626 00:58:35,93 --> 00:58:41,35 it was most orgies are now research student where she was having behavior issues 627 00:58:41,92 --> 00:58:47,64 those students got referred out. Met with those students they've come to my office 628 00:58:47,65 --> 00:58:51,86 I talked with them about making their choices what could they have done differently 629 00:58:52,79 --> 00:58:57,32 but when is introduced that from the family aspect that there's something else 630 00:58:57,33 --> 00:59:00,82 going on you have to refer the student to U.T.A. 631 00:59:01,26 --> 00:59:06,17 If there's family issues and something else going on you have to work and you're 632 00:59:06,18 --> 00:59:11,05 a you know of any other further duty as a school so I do have a further duty as 633 00:59:11,06 --> 00:59:14,75 a sort of Counsellor based in them to me I will see this through it and I was talk 634 00:59:14,76 --> 00:59:20,28 to them about making good choices yes you know no on going. Well you mean like 635 00:59:20,29 --> 00:59:24,90 could you explain what you mean going to see the student more than to bring him in 636 00:59:24,91 --> 00:59:30,21 and tell him to make good choices. If the teacher requests me to see the student I 637 00:59:30,22 --> 00:59:36,83 was he to student. If you're asking me say this is in September 638 00:59:37,71 --> 00:59:43,87 and it's May and the teacher asked me to come see the student if I see this do it 639 00:59:43,88 --> 00:59:44,00 in 640 00:59:44,01 --> 00:59:50,28 a hallway Yes I would ask them how they're doing and how it's going. Yes ma'am and 641 00:59:50,96 --> 00:59:57,77 this. Mr Olin contacted me I was on lunch and I stated to 642 00:59:57,78 --> 01:00:03,61 him that I was I would assume the student when I got back he kept insisting and I 643 01:00:03,62 --> 01:00:08,58 told him I will see students when I return from what I believe I'm granted lunch 644 01:00:08,78 --> 01:00:14,33 each day I'm I believe I'm granted a lunch each day so you don't think that as 645 01:00:14,34 --> 01:00:18,09 a counselor you have any responsibility to leave your lunch to see 646 01:00:18,10 --> 01:00:24,10 a student that perhaps could use your help. This particular student he asked me to 647 01:00:24,11 --> 01:00:24,42 give her 648 01:00:24,43 --> 01:00:29,29 a break he didn't say that the kid was in crisis he didn't say that it was 649 01:00:29,30 --> 01:00:34,19 a behavior issue a social emotional issue to give her break 650 01:00:34,65 --> 01:00:39,42 a break because he had been removed from her class for being disruptive. I don't 651 01:00:39,43 --> 01:00:44,63 know that he had been removed from her class and was and you know because you're at 652 01:00:44,64 --> 01:00:48,76 lunch and you didn't see the student Mr Holland inform me that he just called in 653 01:00:48,77 --> 01:00:50,21 and said hey can you give me 654 01:00:50,22 --> 01:00:55,41 a shopper great. And you thought that it was acceptable to tell your administrator 655 01:00:55,62 --> 01:00:58,82 I'm at lunch and I'll deal with that when I get back and I believe I'm granted 656 01:00:58,83 --> 01:01:02,95 a lunch I didn't I didn't tell him that I would leave I'm granted 657 01:01:02,96 --> 01:01:07,74 a lunch that's one hour bone and my rebuttal Do you recall Mr Hall and asking you 658 01:01:08,44 --> 01:01:13,39 can you tell me when you'll be back when you'll be available thirty minutes and you 659 01:01:13,40 --> 01:01:18,17 said like I said I'm out lunch you were called telling him that I know he asked me 660 01:01:18,18 --> 01:01:23,22 a lie what time did you go to launch something like that OK And do you recall 661 01:01:23,23 --> 01:01:30,12 telling him like I said I'm at lunch I did tell him I was at lunch Yes ma'am. I 662 01:01:30,81 --> 01:01:35,03 just want to let you know you use thirty one minutes at this point I think you 663 01:01:38,48 --> 01:01:41,60 know the next page under item. This was 664 01:01:41,61 --> 01:01:48,37 a situation where. Everyone you know what I'm looking at. Sorry 665 01:01:48,48 --> 01:01:48,64 it's 666 01:01:48,65 --> 01:01:56,10 a number of aircraft Thank you. At the bottom of the page. This 667 01:01:56,11 --> 01:01:56,83 was an issue where 668 01:01:56,84 --> 01:02:02,94 a student was brought to you and you say. Words of autumn beginning with issue is 669 01:02:02,95 --> 01:02:07,35 that Mr Wrong as well as other teachers believe that I am to see students who have 670 01:02:07,36 --> 01:02:12,96 behavior problems through lack of classroom management. Well let's stop there so 671 01:02:13,27 --> 01:02:18,76 regardless of the reason why the students misbehaving if the teachers not 672 01:02:18,77 --> 01:02:22,41 exercising classroom management do you think that absolves you of your duty to 673 01:02:22,42 --> 01:02:26,73 counsel that student No ma'am I don't know but that's not what you said here is it 674 01:02:26,79 --> 01:02:31,25 you said just for wrongs not exercising classroom management and it's unfair that I 675 01:02:31,26 --> 01:02:32,92 have to counsel the student. 676 01:02:50,19 --> 01:02:56,10 Could repeat the question. I just asked what you said here is that this Bronx not 677 01:02:56,30 --> 01:03:01,04 exercising classroom management and it was unfair that you had to counsel counsel 678 01:03:01,08 --> 01:03:07,68 student because. I don't believe my words were that it's unfair to 679 01:03:07,69 --> 01:03:13,79 counselors students. I absolutely would love to sit in my office all day and speak 680 01:03:13,80 --> 01:03:15,56 to kids that's why I became 681 01:03:15,57 --> 01:03:22,14 a counsellor. So I don't want that to be misconstrued in any way. 682 01:03:23,35 --> 01:03:27,19 The counseling responsibility on a campus is 683 01:03:27,20 --> 01:03:33,70 a lot is especially when testing this morning. So around this time testing was 684 01:03:33,71 --> 01:03:38,63 going on that's not an excuse and that's something the distro requires me to do to 685 01:03:38,64 --> 01:03:43,08 be the testing core Nader and the school council all the ones so I'm not saying 686 01:03:43,09 --> 01:03:44,26 that it's unfair to ever see 687 01:03:44,27 --> 01:03:51,13 a student I was Lucio student could you read for the board beginning 688 01:03:51,51 --> 01:03:58,04 this is on. This is this is unfair the assistant principal should handle 689 01:03:58,05 --> 01:04:03,39 behavior instead of placing it on me because they I thought that I don't do work or 690 01:04:03,40 --> 01:04:08,13 their job is more demanding than mine and this is what they found out for and I 691 01:04:08,14 --> 01:04:10,86 don't appreciate being threatened and made to attend 692 01:04:10,87 --> 01:04:17,75 a parent conference after school. One 693 01:04:17,76 --> 01:04:19,42 thing in this happened 694 01:04:19,43 --> 01:04:24,11 a long time ago I hadn't read the whole paragraph so we're only talking about bits 695 01:04:24,12 --> 01:04:28,11 and pieces to answer your question correctly I would have to read everything to 696 01:04:28,47 --> 01:04:28,83 give you 697 01:04:28,84 --> 01:04:35,79 a Akron answer being threatened memorable to you. It is 698 01:04:35,80 --> 01:04:40,08 memorable but a lot of things have happened I've been through 699 01:04:40,09 --> 01:04:44,79 a lot of stress dealing with being placed on administrative leave and going through 700 01:04:44,80 --> 01:04:51,66 this nonrenewable hearing process so I may not recall everything and you don't 701 01:04:51,67 --> 01:04:56,56 appreciate. Your school that's right. 702 01:05:01,41 --> 01:05:06,08 Yes ma'am this was stated you don't think there's a situation any situation as 703 01:05:06,09 --> 01:05:08,75 a counselor when you have a duty to maybe meet with 704 01:05:08,76 --> 01:05:14,26 a parent after school from time to time. Yes ma'am I do feel that there is 705 01:05:14,42 --> 01:05:20,91 a time that could occur if I remember correctly this particular student I relieve 706 01:05:21,58 --> 01:05:27,14 I offered to meet during the day with the parent or the teachers who also have 707 01:05:27,18 --> 01:05:33,44 a this period during the day to meet with the parent so without looking at 708 01:05:33,45 --> 01:05:37,95 everything and just looking at certain pieces I can't tell you for certain Well 709 01:05:37,96 --> 01:05:41,95 what if it works two jobs and they can't come to school in the middle of the day 710 01:05:43,69 --> 01:05:47,83 and their student really needs your services I don't believe that that was the 711 01:05:47,84 --> 01:05:54,05 situation that was the situation when you make an exception. Yes ma'am I would. 712 01:05:56,35 --> 01:06:02,90 All of that want to she's answered. Let's move to your exhibit 713 01:06:03,10 --> 01:06:05,64 or key and it inched you. 714 01:06:25,83 --> 01:06:32,16 Most of her four explained to him. OK And 715 01:06:33,15 --> 01:06:33,47 this is 716 01:06:33,48 --> 01:06:39,65 a student second paragraph involving restaurant and this is the same student that 717 01:06:39,66 --> 01:06:43,55 Mr Wrong asked you to meet with after school correct this was 718 01:06:43,56 --> 01:06:45,36 a situation you said you didn't think that was 719 01:06:45,37 --> 01:06:50,53 a situation that the parent could only mean after school not sure OK Do you recall 720 01:06:50,54 --> 01:06:54,10 the student or the father came to you and said that they're having serious family 721 01:06:54,11 --> 01:07:00,56 issues yes I do and on the very next page in response to you but Miss 722 01:07:01,36 --> 01:07:02,34 Long said unwrap 723 01:07:02,35 --> 01:07:09,13 a David picture that you can meet with. With that student timely that you said in 724 01:07:09,15 --> 01:07:13,04 the middle of the page their words and then to just say that I was too busy is an 725 01:07:13,06 --> 01:07:18,12 understatement So are you saying that you were too busy to meet with 726 01:07:18,13 --> 01:07:23,79 a student having serious family issues. I don't know if that is the student that 727 01:07:23,80 --> 01:07:27,01 we're talking about because they're welcome for students to have missed. 728 01:07:31,74 --> 01:07:36,53 Requested so I'm not sure if that's that student or another student it was it was 729 01:07:36,54 --> 01:07:41,66 several students. OK but you were saying that you were too busy to meet with 730 01:07:41,67 --> 01:07:46,98 a student whoever that student maybe. That's why my guess. 731 01:07:48,60 --> 01:07:53,70 And if you go down to the next big paragraph so the last paragraph on the page you 732 01:07:53,71 --> 01:07:57,71 say in November two thousand and fourteen not even three months of the school year 733 01:07:57,93 --> 01:08:02,99 there's Jefferson said that she was at capacity for individual counseling I'm sorry 734 01:08:03,00 --> 01:08:03,26 this is 735 01:08:03,27 --> 01:08:08,41 a Millie bronzing So this was you're quoting part. Did you tell Mr Wrong that 736 01:08:08,42 --> 01:08:14,52 you're at capacity for individual counseling. And Nov twenty fifth that was 737 01:08:14,53 --> 01:08:19,34 November twenty fourth but you did say that your rock past you were counseling yes 738 01:08:19,35 --> 01:08:21,87 my Midsomer allies have requested me to create a run 739 01:08:21,88 --> 01:08:27,11 a record of students. And I was supposed to see those students at the request of 740 01:08:27,12 --> 01:08:33,24 times as we agreed upon. Do you realize that the students and miss. 741 01:08:34,75 --> 01:08:37,87 Wrongs affidavit she stated that this was 742 01:08:37,88 --> 01:08:44,05 a student who was engaging in self harm it's. Not. 743 01:08:45,10 --> 01:08:50,47 Like I said I wanted to look at everything because it's bits and pieces because the 744 01:08:50,51 --> 01:08:55,47 parent. And the parent that we stayed after school for is different from any 745 01:08:55,48 --> 01:08:58,46 another student so that's I said it's 746 01:08:58,47 --> 01:09:03,18 a couple of different students OK but if I told you that this was just wrong it was 747 01:09:03,19 --> 01:09:10,03 engaging in threats. And you said your ass you would you have any reason to 748 01:09:10,04 --> 01:09:16,88 question. If she did inform me of the self or. No man. 749 01:09:22,91 --> 01:09:27,34 Think it's acceptable to say that your I can't ask for any student needs and 750 01:09:30,03 --> 01:09:36,44 when is he lightings who number kids I think if I recall correctly it was. 751 01:09:38,53 --> 01:09:45,42 I don't know ten the twelve students and I was supposed to see them. Once 752 01:09:45,43 --> 01:09:51,01 a week in addition to having guidance for the about twenty kids K. 753 01:09:51,02 --> 01:09:56,74 Through sixth grade in addition to doing testing objection response 754 01:09:58,76 --> 01:10:03,64 was restate the question do you think it's just passed and you. 755 01:10:07,40 --> 01:10:13,71 Know me. And you go to fix it or a your exhibit or 756 01:10:13,72 --> 01:10:20,42 a you know it's not very much speech. And this was your responses to H.R. 757 01:10:20,43 --> 01:10:27,37 Specialists and buyers on the day. And this is when this fire said that 758 01:10:27,38 --> 01:10:30,03 you were aggressive. During 759 01:10:30,04 --> 01:10:35,38 a meeting and at the bottom you say this is your response to her affidavit there 760 01:10:35,39 --> 01:10:40,11 was an agenda to document my expected aggressive and subordinate and disrespectful 761 01:10:40,12 --> 01:10:45,03 behavior on behalf of my principal body Morales and as I am now informed by sworn 762 01:10:45,04 --> 01:10:51,42 affidavit Amberley buyers so why would misfires and Miss Alice expect 763 01:10:51,95 --> 01:10:55,06 you to be aggressive insubordinate and disrespectful in 764 01:10:55,07 --> 01:11:01,50 a meeting. I believe in her statement is said that she had to be on the phone just 765 01:11:01,51 --> 01:11:06,93 in case I didn't act professionally that's why I made that statement and you know 766 01:11:06,94 --> 01:11:11,85 have any idea why she feels she had to be on the just in case you expect just in 767 01:11:11,86 --> 01:11:16,11 case you end up being aggressive No I don't know that was several meetings I 768 01:11:16,12 --> 01:11:18,32 believe in this statement that I am 769 01:11:18,33 --> 01:11:22,43 a witness morale this without her OK but Mr Holland was always 770 01:11:22,44 --> 01:11:29,21 a Meetings Act He was present Yes ma'am what was his role there and I sure miss my 771 01:11:29,22 --> 01:11:34,29 Alice asked him to Mr Hall and was every meeting when Miss Carr Myers wasn't there 772 01:11:34,30 --> 01:11:40,81 with he was not at every single meeting. Most of the meeting. I believe. 773 01:11:42,59 --> 01:11:47,84 I don't know if I put the dates in here but those those where the meetings where he 774 01:11:47,85 --> 01:11:54,35 was present there were meetings in which me and Mr Allison made it alone this 775 01:11:54,36 --> 01:11:58,28 morning are you at a point we're going to take a break. Let's take 776 01:11:58,29 --> 01:12:03,96 a five minute break at this time you have forty two minutes that you have used as 777 01:12:03,97 --> 01:12:08,94 of right now. I got five minute recess for back yeah. 778 01:12:12,88 --> 01:12:13,85 I have 779 01:12:13,86 --> 01:12:19,89 a reminder of my time. You've used forty two minutes 780 01:12:20,75 --> 01:12:23,64 means you have. Forty eight minutes. 781 01:12:32,95 --> 01:12:39,09 All right but we sat. Hi there any questions for this witness. 782 01:12:41,19 --> 01:12:48,07 Briefly but I want to be able to recall her here in my case of course she'll be 783 01:12:48,08 --> 01:12:54,82 able to do that but unless you dismiss or and tell her to go home yet. And 784 01:12:54,83 --> 01:13:00,09 Pam go to the school district that. Number eight exhibit A. 785 01:13:04,05 --> 01:13:04,32 And. 786 01:13:14,53 --> 01:13:19,51 You there is that that did it eight. 787 01:13:22,22 --> 01:13:28,88 That that that very. Thick. Stack of 788 01:13:28,89 --> 01:13:35,88 affidavits. And and committed by the school district Yes sir. 789 01:13:37,48 --> 01:13:42,39 When did you first see this affidavit. It's about 790 01:13:42,40 --> 01:13:45,50 a week maybe. We can have 791 01:13:45,51 --> 01:13:52,01 a go or so so so. First one Camberley 792 01:13:52,05 --> 01:13:58,21 buyers. Yes sir and the next one peels off her. 793 01:14:00,36 --> 01:14:00,73 Yes 794 01:14:00,74 --> 01:14:08,83 a random column. Yes they're. In 795 01:14:08,84 --> 01:14:15,82 the wrong. Yes or goes on the other cheek yours 796 01:14:15,83 --> 01:14:22,61 and all of them will be at Linda Hale Allman Yes that. That and 797 01:14:22,62 --> 01:14:29,51 without going through each affidavit each line each paragraph that fair to say that 798 01:14:30,08 --> 01:14:34,29 that these affidavits talk about the two thousand and thirteen fourteen school year 799 01:14:34,69 --> 01:14:38,63 that the two thousand four hundred fifteen school year the two thousand and fifteen 800 01:14:38,64 --> 01:14:40,30 sixteen B.S.A. 801 01:14:41,03 --> 01:14:45,40 That you received that. Annual forms 802 01:14:45,41 --> 01:14:50,21 a valuation each year of zero here yes or that you didn't receive one go for the 803 01:14:50,22 --> 01:14:53,93 fifteen sixteen for your did no sign that that. 804 01:14:56,83 --> 01:15:03,59 Even during the war either during the evaluation process or your conference is one 805 01:15:04,02 --> 01:15:10,43 that with your building principal did anyone ever give you such clarity that the 806 01:15:10,44 --> 01:15:13,71 information stated in these affidavits No sorry. 807 01:15:20,02 --> 01:15:24,78 I didn't want to miss Byers ever tell you that you became aggressive during 808 01:15:24,79 --> 01:15:31,52 a meet. And that why did you think buyers was even present at these meet. Does she 809 01:15:31,53 --> 01:15:37,27 represented myself because I'm an employee of Argentina state as well. As ever 810 01:15:37,28 --> 01:15:40,69 mediator between my principal and myself 811 01:15:40,84 --> 01:15:46,35 a neutral party. After you read buyer's affidavit Do you still feel that way. 812 01:15:48,63 --> 01:15:52,43 You thought wrong whenever buyer would be in there as the H.R. 813 01:15:52,44 --> 01:15:59,21 Representative Yes and she told me you know this is not. I'm alone I'm not I'm not 814 01:15:59,25 --> 01:16:02,50 I'm not on anyone's side I'm just a neutral party I represent 815 01:16:02,51 --> 01:16:09,37 a district. That. Mr Howard is the former assistant principal at school yes sir 816 01:16:10,07 --> 01:16:11,06 and he wrote two and 817 01:16:11,07 --> 01:16:17,36 a half pages. I believe that 818 01:16:18,09 --> 01:16:23,59 back to Mr Harland ever sit you down thirteen fourteen for your fourteen fifteen 819 01:16:23,60 --> 01:16:30,19 for your A fifteen sixteen year and that talk to you about 820 01:16:30,51 --> 01:16:36,75 these various perceived officials. Now sorry he wasn't there at twenty thirteen 821 01:16:36,76 --> 01:16:42,32 twenty fourteen school year well during the fourteen fifteen school year. That 822 01:16:42,33 --> 01:16:44,89 you're fifteen sixteen is what you know so well. 823 01:16:49,79 --> 01:16:54,30 That classroom teacher you were of course evaluated. 824 01:16:56,69 --> 01:17:00,90 Could you clarify the question yeah sure that you work as 825 01:17:01,08 --> 01:17:06,87 a classroom teacher Hutchison I just learned from two thousand and seven that two 826 01:17:06,88 --> 01:17:10,39 thousand and eight year that through the two thousand what thirteen four year yes 827 01:17:10,80 --> 01:17:12,46 and there were about 828 01:17:12,47 --> 01:17:18,82 a way to yes almost And and you believe that the teacher 829 01:17:19,94 --> 01:17:26,71 or school district boy. That you have so high the administration is received 830 01:17:26,81 --> 01:17:31,88 patients yes. If you believe you have 831 01:17:31,89 --> 01:17:38,30 a reason why opportunity took course remediate if you don't know that that Mr 832 01:17:38,31 --> 01:17:42,33 Howard or some other teacher may have 833 01:17:42,84 --> 01:17:46,96 a perceived deficiency No I wouldn't have if I'm not aware. 834 01:17:50,26 --> 01:17:55,69 I do miss reality ever give you any work calls I did this be tale set out in these 835 01:17:55,70 --> 01:18:02,06 very savvy Davids that these various complaints and or perceived deficiency. 836 01:18:03,73 --> 01:18:10,41 She would just say everybody is saying it in must be true. That the teachers were 837 01:18:10,42 --> 01:18:14,66 not confident of me that's the reason why they wouldn't sing students to me so they 838 01:18:14,67 --> 01:18:21,10 stop the foreign students to me but not the detail from who it was you understand 839 01:18:21,11 --> 01:18:25,61 large part of the district from the are you based upon these out of date yes I do 840 01:18:27,03 --> 01:18:27,60 you think there's 841 01:18:27,61 --> 01:18:34,45 a link there. You ask in this ward to be 842 01:18:34,46 --> 01:18:41,19 Frederik in judging the facts and weigh the evidence as they see 843 01:18:41,20 --> 01:18:41,74 fit in 844 01:18:41,75 --> 01:18:49,27 a good faith man I do past. This 845 01:18:49,28 --> 01:18:55,36 Jefferson you received evaluation all I want sorry. You have the time or more. 846 01:18:56,52 --> 01:19:02,88 No one. On the court or thank you. 847 01:19:05,58 --> 01:19:10,60 For seeing. This Jefferson you received evaluations for the thirteen fourteen and 848 01:19:10,69 --> 01:19:16,58 fourteen fifteen school year correct yes ma'am and the four areas that you needed 849 01:19:16,59 --> 01:19:21,53 to improve upon correct my believe it was something on it it just sits there that 850 01:19:21,89 --> 01:19:28,42 had that column and missed smallest issue to some around reprimands correct. 851 01:19:29,83 --> 01:19:36,05 For the entire time from twenty. Fourteen 852 01:19:36,45 --> 01:19:43,13 through. During February twenty sixth. And each time she had 853 01:19:43,14 --> 01:19:46,93 a conference with you where she discussed with you the reasons for those reprimands 854 01:19:46,94 --> 01:19:52,58 correct. Could you repeat that each time she should you reprimand she had 855 01:19:52,59 --> 01:19:57,92 a conference with you in which she discussed the reasons for those reprimands she 856 01:19:57,93 --> 01:20:02,78 would get what was stated on her reprimands the ones that we have 857 01:20:03,04 --> 01:20:09,68 a copy of and explain to you being reprimanded one act she did not go into specific 858 01:20:09,69 --> 01:20:16,68 detail she would just read what was on the reprimand. Was 859 01:20:16,86 --> 01:20:22,69 totaled words three hundred minutes. Well there was one 860 01:20:23,55 --> 01:20:25,01 that was almost an hour and 861 01:20:25,02 --> 01:20:31,67 a hair so I mean that's like ninety right there and I was January twentieth and you 862 01:20:31,67 --> 01:20:35,97 . Know. I was placed on 863 01:20:35,98 --> 01:20:41,90 a robe when. No VIN number thing the twenty eight 864 01:20:43,57 --> 01:20:47,69 twenty fourteen I don't believe the question was just were you placed on three 865 01:20:47,70 --> 01:20:52,87 growth stock I was placed on to go plant there were three. 866 01:20:55,42 --> 01:20:56,40 There was 867 01:20:56,44 --> 01:21:03,22 a growth plan. Thank you was November twenty fourth 868 01:21:03,23 --> 01:21:09,63 team today or. Twenty fifteen that assets as fully 869 01:21:09,63 --> 01:21:15,43 completed and then there was one in November twenty fifth. 870 01:21:16,79 --> 01:21:23,43 One in your twenty's that's the same growth plan OK it was you your twenty 871 01:21:24,08 --> 01:21:30,100 because. You act. As they did I didn't complete the other go 872 01:21:31,01 --> 01:21:37,37 plan because I believe it was either I didn't I've actually not response or she's 873 01:21:37,38 --> 01:21:42,96 not there and I would ask the witness thought of me listen carefully to the 874 01:21:42,97 --> 01:21:49,77 question and then answer the question that was asked. She was General Rob you 875 01:21:49,78 --> 01:21:55,16 gave instructions that were not to I'm sorry I wonder if people she was not through 876 01:21:55,17 --> 01:22:01,51 with her answers all right sustained I'm sorry I went out and got 877 01:22:02,42 --> 01:22:06,93 so much to quote let me repeat the question you didn't complete that Nov twenty 878 01:22:06,94 --> 01:22:13,63 fifth teen was cracked. It was extended by Ms more on this OK to January 879 01:22:14,13 --> 01:22:17,04 so each time you were put on a growth plan there was also 880 01:22:17,05 --> 01:22:23,06 a conference addressing those areas in need of correct yes that was and each time 881 01:22:23,19 --> 01:22:29,73 this Morales in one situation your director of counseling now felting and 882 01:22:30,30 --> 01:22:35,18 Camberley fires on some occasions all of them are there discussing the areas where 883 01:22:35,19 --> 01:22:41,89 you need it quick or act. I don't once again Miss Byers told me she was 884 01:22:41,93 --> 01:22:48,34 a neutral party. And Mr Fielding King I believe you missed more on this asked her 885 01:22:48,35 --> 01:22:55,02 to come to clarify what my accounts and responsibilities were passed away that 886 01:22:55,80 --> 01:23:01,94 they are all on answer for the record the time. The writing 887 01:23:02,87 --> 01:23:09,22 week that they go into the Baseball district exhibit number nine and why no board 888 01:23:10,08 --> 01:23:16,64 of your. And. That go to the start 889 01:23:16,77 --> 01:23:21,33 page of that document that that. 890 01:23:23,84 --> 01:23:29,87 The day of one cop says June sixteenth two thousand and six day but don't want 891 01:23:29,88 --> 01:23:36,56 scratched out two thousand and sixteen and put two thousand and fourteen yes or 892 01:23:36,60 --> 01:23:42,41 OK that is that your your thirteen fourteen performance evaluation. 893 01:23:47,96 --> 01:23:51,79 I'm OK I believe right and and 894 01:23:54,64 --> 01:23:56,82 an Emmy approached Yes. 895 01:24:17,06 --> 01:24:23,90 But we're out here yes and we sit near the microphone thank the 896 01:24:23,91 --> 01:24:29,43 first sentence Mr Jefferson's complainer her first year as 897 01:24:29,47 --> 01:24:31,43 a counselor as 898 01:24:31,44 --> 01:24:38,29 a school counselor sorry. And and how would you rate your 899 01:24:38,50 --> 01:24:42,03 your first year school your first year violation as 900 01:24:42,21 --> 01:24:48,97 a book now. That it seems to be rated differently than the teachers' 901 01:24:48,98 --> 01:24:49,50 P.T.A. 902 01:24:49,58 --> 01:24:55,98 A ask you by the way she did not yes is different. And that what is your understand 903 01:24:55,99 --> 01:24:57,63 in that was 904 01:24:57,64 --> 01:25:04,25 a good evaluation average around the way she will low average wage. OK 905 01:25:05,33 --> 01:25:11,33 And and now let's go to year fourteen fifteen about immigration the first two pages 906 01:25:11,50 --> 01:25:18,36 of Exhibit Number nine. And. And that's dated and 907 01:25:18,44 --> 01:25:23,37 and someone dated that correctly did they not June eleventh of fifteen. 908 01:25:25,23 --> 01:25:32,19 And and who evaluated you. That read the first sentence 909 01:25:32,62 --> 01:25:38,89 under. And under comments. As 910 01:25:38,90 --> 01:25:45,16 a second year school counselor Mr Everything has made some growth so your morality 911 01:25:45,16 --> 01:25:49,45 . That in June fifteenth. About 912 01:25:49,46 --> 01:25:54,58 a year ago acknowledged that you had made growth in your second year as 913 01:25:54,59 --> 01:26:01,30 a cow yes or that re the first sentence 914 01:26:01,63 --> 01:26:07,67 under recommendations for professional growth read that I am confident that Mr 915 01:26:07,68 --> 01:26:14,52 Emerson will continue to grow professionally that. That and would you agree 916 01:26:14,52 --> 01:26:21,21 with me that sounds like. You showing growth and she's competent you can 917 01:26:21,22 --> 01:26:28,01 continue to show us are and is an important to you it 918 01:26:28,02 --> 01:26:32,81 is wise that because I want to be supported by my principal. 919 01:26:35,44 --> 01:26:39,93 That counts were important to you yes tell us what. 920 01:26:54,44 --> 01:26:56,12 As a child I was labeled 921 01:26:56,13 --> 01:27:02,26 a racist and. Because my mother was 922 01:27:02,27 --> 01:27:17,25 a single parent. Thank 923 01:27:17,26 --> 01:27:23,57 you and. When I was in middle 924 01:27:23,58 --> 01:27:27,98 school you know when it for me to take the Everetts classes. 925 01:27:30,91 --> 01:27:34,11 So my eighth grade year. 926 01:27:38,48 --> 01:27:40,79 At the graduation ceremony. 927 01:27:48,45 --> 01:27:52,91 I looked at the back of the program and there were students who had honors by their 928 01:27:52,92 --> 01:27:59,10 name and I wasn't for sure why my name was that marked. And I guess. 929 01:28:01,10 --> 01:28:07,84 It kind of. Set the tone for me to go to my counsellor to ask questions 930 01:28:08,55 --> 01:28:15,41 to try harder because my counselor didn't tell me to take those classes so it was 931 01:28:16,13 --> 01:28:18,79 the summer of ninety What are you today they had 932 01:28:18,80 --> 01:28:25,70 a program call you why are you you properties unlimited for at risk. It 933 01:28:25,71 --> 01:28:31,22 was to expose them to college life. So I was selected to participate in that 934 01:28:31,23 --> 01:28:37,95 program. We were. In the mornings or the afternoons you got tips to let the time in 935 01:28:37,96 --> 01:28:43,11 which you would go to college we took pre-algebra in English and then the rest of 936 01:28:43,12 --> 01:28:49,58 the day we worked. Like an office on campus is though that program allowed 937 01:28:49,59 --> 01:28:55,63 me to. Become the valedictorian of their class for 938 01:28:55,64 --> 01:29:02,00 a while you and that was the turning point for me to take it back in school as. I 939 01:29:02,01 --> 01:29:08,75 graduated in the top temper sit in my high school. And with the 940 01:29:08,76 --> 01:29:09,76 desires of becoming 941 01:29:09,77 --> 01:29:16,76 a counselor so that I could help. Briefly Where did you 942 01:29:16,77 --> 01:29:23,56 grow up in Atlanta Texas. Where the people here don't 943 01:29:23,57 --> 01:29:29,86 know where Atlanta his. Picture Gallery is twenty five miles north to Texarkana 944 01:29:30,14 --> 01:29:33,69 about fifty miles from Shreveport population five thousand. 945 01:29:47,97 --> 01:29:53,19 They were. You had rather well. 946 01:29:55,08 --> 01:29:55,59 My mom was 947 01:29:55,60 --> 01:30:04,34 a single parent. She 948 01:30:04,35 --> 01:30:10,97 had me when she was sixteen. She had to drop out of school. 949 01:30:12,30 --> 01:30:18,62 She worked. From the time I was conceived and she still worked in IT nursing home 950 01:30:19,44 --> 01:30:23,74 I'm the oldest of four children I was the first person to get. 951 01:30:28,25 --> 01:30:31,17 A college degree in my family and a person to get 952 01:30:31,18 --> 01:30:37,89 a master's degree. I have. It's me and my brother in mind so 953 01:30:37,90 --> 01:30:44,89 younger sisters and my step dad is that. You were the first 954 01:30:44,90 --> 01:30:50,37 person. To work hard. At work yes or 955 01:30:51,98 --> 01:30:57,73 why did you go. It was important to my mom. 956 01:30:59,29 --> 01:31:05,42 Because. She. Had me in her early age she could complete the school so I wanted to 957 01:31:05,63 --> 01:31:09,53 do something better for myself so that I would be able to take care of my. 958 01:31:12,58 --> 01:31:19,52 TEACHER IN. School. That August two thousand 959 01:31:20,20 --> 01:31:25,75 and four year two thousand and seven two thousand. And. 960 01:31:27,68 --> 01:31:34,58 Twelve or what you think years yes or. Why 961 01:31:34,62 --> 01:31:40,97 you go you know. When. Well I wanted to be 962 01:31:40,98 --> 01:31:45,77 a school counselor I wanted to help kids who are at risk like me to know that there 963 01:31:45,78 --> 01:31:50,04 will be barriers but your intelligence will get to get you to where you need to be 964 01:31:50,91 --> 01:31:55,34 that was so important for me to give back because Arlene seen the University of 965 01:31:55,35 --> 01:31:57,78 Texas at Arlington after the Y. 966 01:31:57,79 --> 01:31:59,11 You while you program which made 967 01:31:59,12 --> 01:32:03,68 a big difference in my life so I went to undergraduate there and I just wanted to 968 01:32:03,69 --> 01:32:09,21 work and get back for the studio are. You know in two thousand seventy thousand 969 01:32:09,22 --> 01:32:16,04 eight you have children yes how many two and how many you have I 970 01:32:16,05 --> 01:32:21,85 have three their ages and gender I have all girls I have 971 01:32:21,86 --> 01:32:25,44 a seventeen year old who had seen this on my high school who on her way to college 972 01:32:25,91 --> 01:32:28,87 I have a thirteen year old she isn't here how it made 973 01:32:28,88 --> 01:32:35,56 a school and or you know. And. When did you change 974 01:32:36,25 --> 01:32:43,00 mashed December twenty teen. And and and. 975 01:32:44,24 --> 01:32:48,46 Why did you do that. Like I said it was important I wanted to be 976 01:32:48,47 --> 01:32:53,68 a school counselor school manage school counselor is my art career like my dream 977 01:32:53,68 --> 01:33:00,68 job. Now now substantively they're not saying you're all 978 01:33:00,76 --> 01:33:04,50 there all. Work but if you have 979 01:33:04,51 --> 01:33:10,16 a David they seem to say that you can get along with the. Right. 980 01:33:12,20 --> 01:33:19,01 Well you agree with me be the very best school counselor in the whole work 981 01:33:19,02 --> 01:33:25,92 method way. But if you can see along with anybody that you're not the bass 982 01:33:25,93 --> 01:33:32,62 you'll agree with that right yeah well what what do you tell the war about 983 01:33:32,66 --> 01:33:37,45 you're all of these various teachers and these H.R. 984 01:33:37,46 --> 01:33:41,21 Representative saying dream. You're such 985 01:33:41,22 --> 01:33:47,47 a bad person get along. I'm not a bad person to get along with I do believe in 986 01:33:47,90 --> 01:33:51,80 a speaking No for when you know when things are not right are not accurate and 987 01:33:51,81 --> 01:33:54,52 sometimes that can be considered as being and it's 988 01:33:54,53 --> 01:34:00,84 a Born in our disrespectful that that. That 989 01:34:01,77 --> 01:34:07,61 Have you ever intended to be disrespectful to be ugly no. Depair 990 01:34:08,61 --> 01:34:15,34 absolutely not that teacher no student No and 991 01:34:15,35 --> 01:34:20,50 certainly administrator No You know the building principal is the chief structural 992 01:34:20,51 --> 01:34:26,50 leader at that campus Yes sir and she and the education go yes for the right. 993 01:34:29,50 --> 01:34:36,44 Yes Or we had to torture you know. She 994 01:34:36,45 --> 01:34:43,44 says. Right she does and and and that she says you 995 01:34:43,59 --> 01:34:46,72 can. Agree to disagree in 996 01:34:46,73 --> 01:34:52,55 a professional manner and that she says that throughout this you know she does well 997 01:34:52,56 --> 01:34:58,99 is it true that. No. You know 998 01:35:00,10 --> 01:35:06,78 that. You believe 999 01:35:07,04 --> 01:35:12,61 if you would agree with everything she have ever told you that not ever voice your 1000 01:35:12,62 --> 01:35:18,71 own opinion you think you would be sitting there and I don't know why not 1001 01:35:19,75 --> 01:35:24,61 because I would have. Been in agreement with her. 1002 01:35:27,39 --> 01:35:28,74 And you would have been more of 1003 01:35:28,75 --> 01:35:37,93 a team player yes. You 1004 01:35:37,94 --> 01:35:44,84 understand non-renewal is the same terminations I do and you understand every 1005 01:35:44,85 --> 01:35:46,28 application and why me at 1006 01:35:46,34 --> 01:35:51,98 a public school district I have ever been on you I do why you fight. 1007 01:36:05,54 --> 01:36:11,86 Because I work hard to get here. Nobody calling in favors for me 1008 01:36:12,74 --> 01:36:16,78 I went to school I got my degrees I worked as 1009 01:36:16,79 --> 01:36:19,87 a teacher and I earned my job as 1010 01:36:19,88 --> 01:36:26,83 a school counselor. And that's assuming 1011 01:36:26,84 --> 01:36:31,30 the board members agree with everything just say they have a think you can't be 1012 01:36:31,31 --> 01:36:35,67 a bottle of the building principles of but work and what do you say that you know 1013 01:36:35,68 --> 01:36:42,61 the words that you have to be supported I do feel that you have 1014 01:36:42,63 --> 01:36:47,16 to do what your principal says but when there is inaccurate information I don't 1015 01:36:47,17 --> 01:36:52,03 think you should just call it go along with the principal just because she says 1016 01:36:52,03 --> 01:36:58,77 that it is factual information and not stand up for yourself. We'll talk about your 1017 01:36:58,81 --> 01:37:05,45 rebuttals in more detail. But is it fair to say that that in the black 1018 01:37:05,46 --> 01:37:09,69 notebook that your exhibit that's the image for. 1019 01:37:12,07 --> 01:37:16,61 Through. Through before I reply you're 1020 01:37:16,62 --> 01:37:23,01 a bottle of the each affidavit just by the school administration yes and. 1021 01:37:24,100 --> 01:37:30,72 That when you were here that. It took me days. 1022 01:37:34,76 --> 01:37:40,61 It and there it was right I think maybe I started on it at three P.M. 1023 01:37:40,62 --> 01:37:46,37 And it too what their clock and what it is and you gave a lot of thought 1024 01:37:46,38 --> 01:37:53,04 a lot of work whatever I did you know why is it because I think this is 1025 01:37:53,27 --> 01:37:59,74 my job how I provide for my. Now now in our half. 1026 01:38:01,18 --> 01:38:05,65 Of the presentation we're not going to have time to talk about each line by line of 1027 01:38:05,66 --> 01:38:11,54 your rebuttals are no sir that nevertheless you ask in the board to please read 1028 01:38:11,55 --> 01:38:18,33 them. I am. That important to you it's very 1029 01:38:18,34 --> 01:38:23,99 important to me that. That also look at it in the black note. 1030 01:38:25,08 --> 01:38:29,61 That your exhibit by a group by J. 1031 01:38:30,19 --> 01:38:31,71 That those represent You're 1032 01:38:31,72 --> 01:38:38,45 a bottle. That two year old unprintable walked through the conference 1033 01:38:38,46 --> 01:38:41,92 summaries and reprimands us are. 1034 01:38:50,05 --> 01:38:56,09 You hoping at least that that he people read. The bill agree with me that you're 1035 01:38:56,10 --> 01:39:01,51 not nearly as bad as initiation makes you out. Hope that they will. 1036 01:39:06,15 --> 01:39:13,08 Are. If it's given that they don't like what I'm responding. OK. 1037 01:39:15,87 --> 01:39:21,96 So you at twenty three minutes. And Administration at the 1038 01:39:23,09 --> 01:39:29,74 forty two minute. Forty six are think. It's there any 1039 01:39:29,75 --> 01:39:36,52 further redirect works just fine. This Jefferson as an at risk 1040 01:39:36,53 --> 01:39:41,70 child when you were growing up what do you think it would have how do you think you 1041 01:39:41,71 --> 01:39:46,33 would have felt if you needed counseling services and your school counselor told 1042 01:39:46,34 --> 01:39:51,33 you that she was acting acidy. I don't believe my counsel would have told me that. 1043 01:39:54,16 --> 01:39:56,65 You. Never told 1044 01:39:56,66 --> 01:40:03,72 a student that. While 1045 01:40:03,73 --> 01:40:10,39 you're at lunch that's not my job I can't work. Maca pass 1046 01:40:11,01 --> 01:40:17,84 you explain that. Yes. I know that you probably never see the 1047 01:40:17,90 --> 01:40:22,80 information from my director councilor now fielding in the proponent of trying to 1048 01:40:22,81 --> 01:40:27,51 get every elementary counselor to think but still are tighter and it is greatly 1049 01:40:27,52 --> 01:40:34,44 needed as exhibits twenty four and twenty five of the district States about 1050 01:40:34,45 --> 01:40:40,52 assessments there in those exhibits they're talking about psychological assessments 1051 01:40:41,42 --> 01:40:48,40 not testing not local assessments not start testing. In order to truly service the 1052 01:40:48,41 --> 01:40:51,94 kids the way we need to as you noted there are 1053 01:40:52,32 --> 01:40:58,91 a lot of socially emotionally. Issues at the elementary 1054 01:40:58,92 --> 01:41:04,28 level it would be such a wonderful thing to great schools counsellors 1055 01:41:04,97 --> 01:41:10,46 a test of facilitator so that they have more time to direct direct those costars in 1056 01:41:10,47 --> 01:41:15,85 issues. You work oh. 1057 01:41:17,63 --> 01:41:19,85 Yes are. You. 1058 01:41:24,26 --> 01:41:29,85 Well most of the time. I didn't get to take lunch because well you were 1059 01:41:29,86 --> 01:41:34,13 a school counsellor. You have you have guidance and guide this is 1060 01:41:34,14 --> 01:41:39,80 a lot like you have to go to the classes kindergarten through sixth grade. And then 1061 01:41:39,81 --> 01:41:44,10 in addition to guidance you have to do testing in addition to that you have to see 1062 01:41:44,11 --> 01:41:48,81 kids in addition to that if it's something that happens unexpectedly at the campus 1063 01:41:48,82 --> 01:41:50,54 you're caught in to do that if 1064 01:41:50,55 --> 01:41:55,24 a parent call you're calling to do that so is time days that it would be almost 1065 01:41:55,25 --> 01:41:56,52 three o'clock I hadn't taken 1066 01:41:56,53 --> 01:42:02,99 a lunch because I'm constantly working I don't have an opportunity to stop. Real 1067 01:42:03,00 --> 01:42:08,73 lives for all teachers Yes you're following reason so I do. 1068 01:42:10,25 --> 01:42:16,40 Follow you know I do yes I get. More. 1069 01:42:17,90 --> 01:42:24,26 Restrictions exist and also you're just are. You briefly explain why 1070 01:42:25,75 --> 01:42:29,39 well. I know that I have received 1071 01:42:29,40 --> 01:42:32,65 a lot of reprimands but the reprimands come from 1072 01:42:32,69 --> 01:42:39,68 a prior incident. The first reprimand in. A post when you fourteen 1073 01:42:39,69 --> 01:42:45,32 I believe. It was from a par is today with 1074 01:42:45,36 --> 01:42:47,56 a teacher being a keys of giving 1075 01:42:47,57 --> 01:42:53,10 a student answers to the star to this. And if there is something to happen show 1076 01:42:53,11 --> 01:42:59,98 call me in and talk about everything from November April not what specifically 1077 01:43:00,29 --> 01:43:06,12 is happening at that moment the reprimand in November of two thousand and fourteen 1078 01:43:06,12 --> 01:43:13,04 . That was because she forgot that. She approved the 1079 01:43:13,05 --> 01:43:17,53 drug and eventually to come to our school to speak to our students during Red 1080 01:43:17,54 --> 01:43:22,63 Ribbon Week previously in February she was on the news for the bowling is that it 1081 01:43:22,91 --> 01:43:29,76 so I guess she was hysterical not having approved drug interventionist 1082 01:43:29,77 --> 01:43:35,22 but I e-mailed her e-mail documentation that she didn't know she was aware and she 1083 01:43:36,02 --> 01:43:42,40 wanted to meet with me and. That was the purpose of that reprimand. 1084 01:43:43,76 --> 01:43:48,59 The purpose of the one from November twenty fifth team was because she didn't like 1085 01:43:48,97 --> 01:43:55,06 that. Apparent that he wasn't happy at the campus level that Mr Hill was over 1086 01:43:55,07 --> 01:43:57,10 student services that was 1087 01:43:57,11 --> 01:44:02,26 a reason for that reprimand in the rest of the reprimands and in December eighth 1088 01:44:02,27 --> 01:44:08,77 she said that I hung up on her on the phone call or I didn't see in the e-mail I 1089 01:44:08,78 --> 01:44:12,62 was reprimanded for that so basically you. 1090 01:44:17,53 --> 01:44:22,12 Yes. You. 1091 01:44:26,47 --> 01:44:32,95 Are. Right. Yes it. 1092 01:44:48,20 --> 01:44:54,02 That. And then you submit Exhibit A to your grievance that you're not in your. 1093 01:44:55,12 --> 01:45:01,89 I believe so and and. And. That's Mark David 1094 01:45:01,90 --> 01:45:03,96 number of dollars your exhibit did not. 1095 01:45:27,36 --> 01:45:34,24 Like Exhibit Number nine in my book which just has to. Exist. Mr 1096 01:45:34,25 --> 01:45:41,12 T.'s letter answer it's for the counselors in need of assistance not my rebuttal 1097 01:45:41,13 --> 01:45:43,65 see my rebuttal say here no no I'm. 1098 01:45:47,98 --> 01:45:52,11 Your Exhibit Number nine whose lives are your grievance like. 1099 01:46:00,70 --> 01:46:04,43 After tap number not you can go shark help. 1100 01:46:19,61 --> 01:46:26,60 Me. Yeah OK but that on the lower right hand corner you thought you 1101 01:46:26,64 --> 01:46:31,70 get one and you. Will go through. 1102 01:46:33,50 --> 01:46:40,03 That. Yes OK And and the status of that 1103 01:46:40,04 --> 01:46:46,32 grievance here and your green and your your fifteen sixteen reprimands is that he's 1104 01:46:46,33 --> 01:46:51,14 pinned in or the school will know it is and so we'll have 1105 01:46:51,30 --> 01:46:56,49 a while we'll see what you were able to regarding your complaint regarding the 1106 01:46:56,50 --> 01:46:59,28 things sixteen rep I don't know we don't. 1107 01:47:06,54 --> 01:47:11,87 So the district is trying to fire you based on these affidavits that you just 1108 01:47:11,88 --> 01:47:17,81 recently saw just say and they're trying to fire you based upon reprimand that 1109 01:47:17,82 --> 01:47:20,91 you're still breathing yes or no yes then you have 1110 01:47:20,92 --> 01:47:25,55 a right to follow me I do understand you have a right to have this war serve as 1111 01:47:25,56 --> 01:47:32,53 a fair impartial Dr you know. Yes sir I do. Thank you 1112 01:47:33,56 --> 01:47:40,55 but Mr T.'s let me just clarify because I think that by agreement the grievance was 1113 01:47:40,56 --> 01:47:46,48 abated I just want to put the Level three is that correct yes OK that we're not 1114 01:47:46,79 --> 01:47:51,99 playing in my. Now we can take off the clock for this OK I just want to confirm 1115 01:47:52,00 --> 01:47:55,46 that part of your complaint is not that that the grievance was not completed 1116 01:47:56,44 --> 01:48:03,34 correct or not complained about OK And you were complaining or just know that you 1117 01:48:03,35 --> 01:48:09,85 have planned on. OK All right thank you could you 1118 01:48:10,09 --> 01:48:12,50 again tell us the time for each party that they view. 1119 01:48:21,31 --> 01:48:28,21 All right. Re Re redirect. And questions all right with Jefferson you 1120 01:48:28,22 --> 01:48:31,30 can take your seat again THANK YOU THANK YOU can. 1121 01:48:36,00 --> 01:48:42,94 You just leave it there. With the administration please call its 1122 01:48:42,95 --> 01:48:46,74 next one you could ask Claudia morality right. 1123 01:49:09,30 --> 01:49:12,70 Now smiles I want to remind you you're still under oath Yes sir thank you please 1124 01:49:12,71 --> 01:49:16,99 proceed. Please state your name for the record Claudia Marlice and you're the 1125 01:49:17,00 --> 01:49:22,46 principal Alan Hale credits OK I'm going to direct you to exhibit hall. 1126 01:49:23,62 --> 01:49:30,59 Arlington. And these are conference summaries 1127 01:49:30,82 --> 01:49:37,61 that Mr Jefferson has received back yes first is what you it should be for 1128 01:49:37,62 --> 01:49:44,61 that. She receives five conference summaries and I just correct yes and can you 1129 01:49:44,62 --> 01:49:51,48 just tell the board what what generally what it is that you need. So that 1130 01:49:52,72 --> 01:49:59,48 that he served as you know last three that my client with. A 1131 01:49:59,52 --> 01:50:02,07 question teach a clock stop brings 1132 01:50:02,54 --> 01:50:07,53 a bit. Remote. It years ago in 1133 01:50:07,54 --> 01:50:10,01 a war that teacher not as 1134 01:50:10,13 --> 01:50:15,68 a school counselor. This district or president all notice of 1135 01:50:15,69 --> 01:50:21,68 a new all of it's about will now all. I was on 1136 01:50:22,75 --> 01:50:29,20 well I'm going to instruct the board that its decision may only be based upon the 1137 01:50:29,21 --> 01:50:34,90 two thousand and fifteen sixteen school year but at the same time if there is 1138 01:50:34,94 --> 01:50:40,14 evidence that supports anything that is listed for the two thousand and fifteen 1139 01:50:40,37 --> 01:50:47,22 sixteen school year that you consider that as possibly 1140 01:50:48,01 --> 01:50:51,32 a pattern but you cannot use it for 1141 01:50:51,36 --> 01:50:55,80 a final decision with respect to the proposal for nano. 1142 01:50:58,25 --> 01:51:03,63 Has they respect or if the the rules of evidence are or at least to serve as 1143 01:51:03,64 --> 01:51:10,61 a right. What I heard you say is. Well 1144 01:51:10,86 --> 01:51:17,34 they did not do that now hardly allow anything everything that ever heard about 1145 01:51:17,35 --> 01:51:24,07 since. They would hear that from Oh my goodness May I respond Yes Council 1146 01:51:24,12 --> 01:51:27,74 we've agreed that these are in evidence there was no relevance of Jackson at the 1147 01:51:27,75 --> 01:51:32,77 time so these are the end of it so they're open for questioning or using them for 1148 01:51:32,78 --> 01:51:37,00 the limited purposes I was showing those issues but for brought out in the 1149 01:51:37,01 --> 01:51:40,32 non-renewal we're not using them or to show her performance as 1150 01:51:40,33 --> 01:51:44,92 a teacher and so that we will use them for those very limited purposes and there 1151 01:51:44,93 --> 01:51:51,48 are the end of it all right thank you I do believe just just like this Jefferson 1152 01:51:51,49 --> 01:51:57,77 was allowed to talk about her her youth. Which also was 1153 01:51:57,95 --> 01:52:04,92 prior to. The two thousand and fifteen sixteen school year both 1154 01:52:04,93 --> 01:52:11,71 parties are permitted to bring in evidence to show the history of 1155 01:52:11,75 --> 01:52:18,25 the individual and because it is an evidence I'll let you make specific objections 1156 01:52:18,26 --> 01:52:22,35 as we go along if you hear something in particular that you feel needs to be 1157 01:52:22,36 --> 01:52:27,56 objected to otherwise how all over the aisle overrule the grievance at this time 1158 01:52:28,48 --> 01:52:28,88 just like 1159 01:52:28,89 --> 01:52:35,46 a bomb could you please read this or that that talking about this for you as well. 1160 01:52:36,80 --> 01:52:42,97 That is about why is. This right and 1161 01:52:43,40 --> 01:52:49,61 and her personal histories from said. This stuff regarding Hutchinson is up. 1162 01:52:51,21 --> 01:52:57,06 That is drastic it's brought up with this one reason to read this Mark. Counsel he 1163 01:52:57,07 --> 01:53:02,12 didn't object to the documents so she's just talking about the documents but it is 1164 01:53:02,17 --> 01:53:08,99 doing noted thank you. Please proceed with your questions thank you this is from 1165 01:53:09,04 --> 01:53:13,87 these five from I just can you just very generally say what the subject matter of 1166 01:53:13,88 --> 01:53:19,41 the conference is yes there were concerns with the way she communicated with that 1167 01:53:19,42 --> 01:53:25,71 ministration were there some examples. Yes In one example from the 1168 01:53:25,72 --> 01:53:31,64 principal she had sent its students out of class because she had had enough. 1169 01:53:33,07 --> 01:53:38,35 In another example from Ginny Holland the assistant principal. 1170 01:53:42,83 --> 01:53:47,90 She directed a student to stand in the corner as a result of being off task in 1171 01:53:48,24 --> 01:53:54,61 a conference from conference summary from Mr Tapia the principal regarding the 1172 01:53:54,62 --> 01:53:58,70 attendance of faculty meetings which Miss Jefferson missed 1173 01:53:58,74 --> 01:54:00,49 a meeting because she had scheduled 1174 01:54:00,50 --> 01:54:04,67 a college course and she couldn't be there when she was directed by Mr top yet to 1175 01:54:04,68 --> 01:54:09,80 be there OK Can I just stop you just speak to what use of the general topic is 1176 01:54:09,93 --> 01:54:16,65 professionalism Yes I have professionalism and communications are generally or were 1177 01:54:16,66 --> 01:54:22,99 there any more examples of that. Yes there were some statements that Mr Jefferson 1178 01:54:22,100 --> 01:54:29,06 and I. Said to the principal during some of these conferences when he was trying to 1179 01:54:29,07 --> 01:54:33,37 find out what was going on for example at the time when she missed one of the 1180 01:54:33,38 --> 01:54:38,38 faculty meetings. Mr Tapia preceded to write 1181 01:54:38,39 --> 01:54:45,30 a reprimand. During that conversation Mr Nixon who is now 1182 01:54:45,31 --> 01:54:48,82 a principal in Arlington I used the at that time he was the assistant principal 1183 01:54:49,24 --> 01:54:49,77 wrote 1184 01:54:49,81 --> 01:54:57,29 a summary of the meeting and in that summary of the meeting. Mr. Jefferson 1185 01:54:57,30 --> 01:55:01,02 was not happy with the reprimand that Mr Tapia. 1186 01:55:05,59 --> 01:55:09,75 Or not I'm like greedy Ned why I'm greedy not from the summary F.M. 1187 01:55:09,76 --> 01:55:14,69 Meeting I can really get hold on I believe that the question was could you just 1188 01:55:14,70 --> 01:55:19,71 summarize the contents not specific so if you could just summarize him or 1189 01:55:19,72 --> 01:55:24,51 specifically what were the examples use of the general topic was professionalism 1190 01:55:24,80 --> 01:55:31,13 yet what were examples of her not being professional getting OK recent process for 1191 01:55:31,14 --> 01:55:35,51 it which. I'm I'm sorry I. 1192 01:55:41,12 --> 01:55:48,03 Let's stop the clock. At it. All right first 1193 01:55:48,04 --> 01:55:52,50 of all it's not unprofessional for someone to bring up their own no Dan rights but 1194 01:55:52,51 --> 01:55:57,21 you're entitled to ask to see them. But. 1195 01:56:01,59 --> 01:56:07,11 You know. Oh we're looking. At it. 1196 01:56:08,76 --> 01:56:15,21 Right now. I'm sorry you have very short piece you have the opportunity for 1197 01:56:15,22 --> 01:56:20,95 cross-examination and I get that. I can look at what they provide. 1198 01:56:22,96 --> 01:56:27,78 And on why you know. Those are all the documents that you have there's nothing I 1199 01:56:28,02 --> 01:56:33,02 think. That's where my notes. Or the other 1200 01:56:34,11 --> 01:56:38,70 a little bit of. Oh well I will give them my list you said this is 1201 01:56:38,74 --> 01:56:43,96 a hold on hold on Mr Ickes are you going to share your notes I don't understand why 1202 01:56:44,14 --> 01:56:49,60 well may I finish no no no I'm not sure. Mr T.'s Can I finish. 1203 01:56:51,41 --> 01:56:57,56 You lose the right client. But I know. Why 1204 01:56:58,33 --> 01:57:04,29 should. You. With this the fun. 1205 01:57:05,46 --> 01:57:11,68 We are. Now may I finish this. Thank you. 1206 01:57:14,29 --> 01:57:21,00 Witnesses in court bring up their notes all the time and you know that and they're 1207 01:57:21,01 --> 01:57:27,38 allowed to testify and you're allowed as counsel to ask to see those notes Now this 1208 01:57:27,39 --> 01:57:31,55 was due process you know it's not a do you know it's not 1209 01:57:31,56 --> 01:57:34,78 a due process hearing you know the law and this is 1210 01:57:34,79 --> 01:57:40,98 a non-renewal hearing the commissioner has been very specific well just counsel I 1211 01:57:40,99 --> 01:57:45,41 think she will use the I'm going to use exhibit Yes or No No I don't look at that 1212 01:57:46,31 --> 01:57:49,97 you are welcome to look at them as I said multiple times. 1213 01:57:53,24 --> 01:57:58,86 Now let's go back on the block proceed to your next question. 1214 01:58:00,70 --> 01:58:05,42 OK So Exhibit nine. To. 1215 01:58:07,99 --> 01:58:14,34 Page forty seven just as the end of May here summative or. Mr Jefferson for the 1216 01:58:14,35 --> 01:58:18,56 truth two thousand and thirteen fourteen school year correct yes and you wrote in 1217 01:58:18,57 --> 01:58:23,13 there what your concerns were which saw on the next page yank you just summarize 1218 01:58:23,14 --> 01:58:29,51 your concerns. Are you stop the clock and schoolish ration to 1219 01:58:30,41 --> 01:58:30,99 yes H. 1220 01:58:31,00 --> 01:58:37,83 Forty eight. Down here at the 1221 01:58:37,84 --> 01:58:44,79 bottom it's all be numbered. I'm sorry if it is you think that nine it 1222 01:58:44,80 --> 01:58:50,49 for you. Or 1223 01:58:53,38 --> 01:59:00,31 if yours are now. You know she's looking at Jefferson administration 1224 01:59:00,31 --> 01:59:01,90 exhibits and it has 1225 01:59:01,91 --> 01:59:24,13 a Bates label on the bottom right. Here. And 1226 01:59:24,14 --> 01:59:29,37 you have the administration's notebook. You have the administration notebook with 1227 01:59:29,38 --> 01:59:30,15 their exhibits. 1228 01:59:38,46 --> 01:59:44,54 You know. My phone is. OK it's. 1229 01:59:46,88 --> 01:59:49,85 All right go ahead then use that one. 1230 01:59:59,06 --> 02:00:04,87 Hold on and wait for him to get to the page OK so it. Is evident that it nine 1231 02:00:04,99 --> 02:00:11,68 hundred forty eight thank you OK what are you there OK Please ask your 1232 02:00:11,69 --> 02:00:17,84 question again so you listed some concerns about your mischief or say 1233 02:00:18,36 --> 02:00:25,27 yes OK And what were those concerns communication. Concerns with performance 1234 02:00:26,87 --> 02:00:30,26 OK And so. That wasn't 1235 02:00:30,27 --> 02:00:34,08 a perfect was or was it all I ask it was was this I know we don't use the word 1236 02:00:34,09 --> 02:00:37,85 professions and estimates of evaluation for a counselor was 1237 02:00:37,86 --> 02:00:44,77 a sufficient evaluation now OK And you referred in here to the conference summary 1238 02:00:44,78 --> 02:00:51,45 as well as to reprimands that were given the year yes OK And just very briefly what 1239 02:00:51,46 --> 02:00:55,96 was the issue in the conference summary of April seventeenth when you were doing 1240 02:00:56,08 --> 02:01:02,99 what I was exhibit ball. OK On April seventeenth two thousand and 1241 02:01:03,00 --> 02:01:08,42 fourteen it was due to the way she communicated with me and staff very 1242 02:01:08,43 --> 02:01:13,54 disrespectfully OK And then when we go to the reprimand which is her first 1243 02:01:13,55 --> 02:01:20,51 reprimand of that year was exhibit nineteen. Can you just this was talked about 1244 02:01:20,52 --> 02:01:27,48 earlier this was when she was late start testing at yes ma'am OK. How did 1245 02:01:27,49 --> 02:01:31,32 Miss Jefferson respond when you address the fact that she was late for search just 1246 02:01:31,32 --> 02:01:36,58 . Like any time I would want to get her side of the story she would get very 1247 02:01:36,59 --> 02:01:42,89 defensive very aggressive hostile very quickly and combative at some times and this 1248 02:01:42,94 --> 02:01:49,22 this incident was no different. OK And did you have an issue with her saying 1249 02:01:50,08 --> 02:01:54,72 you know you're qualified to take over my duties and the thought you were doing 1250 02:01:55,15 --> 02:02:00,60 when I when I showed up yes and what were your issues there my issue was said her 1251 02:02:00,61 --> 02:02:05,88 responsibility was to oversee Starr and she was not there on time I'm 1252 02:02:05,89 --> 02:02:12,22 a star testing day she was late and that is unacceptable OK and she mentioned 1253 02:02:12,23 --> 02:02:18,19 earlier that start testing didn't start online was the expectation that coordinator 1254 02:02:18,33 --> 02:02:20,63 or testing just be there at nine or even eight 1255 02:02:20,64 --> 02:02:24,88 o five when school starts No ma'am the expectation is that if you are overseeing 1256 02:02:24,89 --> 02:02:30,71 star the you are there as early as seven thirty so why would you be there early 1257 02:02:31,58 --> 02:02:37,24 to have everything ready because teachers come in started gathering and they start 1258 02:02:37,25 --> 02:02:43,96 testing as early as seven thirty sometimes if there were discrepancies with any 1259 02:02:44,62 --> 02:02:49,38 small group testing or any discrepancies that would come up then she would be there 1260 02:02:49,39 --> 02:02:54,99 to address those discrepancies but she was in there OK And can you describe we 1261 02:02:55,00 --> 02:02:56,79 talked about the statement that you have 1262 02:02:56,80 --> 02:03:02,98 a problem can you describe what the circumstances around that statement. Or. 1263 02:03:04,43 --> 02:03:09,41 She told me that I had a problem if I did not understand why she was she was 1264 02:03:09,42 --> 02:03:13,88 a slave in that family came first and that if I did not understand that then that I 1265 02:03:13,89 --> 02:03:16,48 had a problem and. Then you have 1266 02:03:16,49 --> 02:03:22,49 a problem yes ma'am just saying. No with the attitude with the tone. 1267 02:03:23,71 --> 02:03:29,58 OK And. Were that was there any issues she said earlier that 1268 02:03:29,84 --> 02:03:34,12 a sting was over by two forty five that days or shoo shoo or you know before two 1269 02:03:34,13 --> 02:03:38,03 forty five when she requested delayed so that was fine she could leave that that 1270 02:03:38,04 --> 02:03:42,94 day of start testing or even the next day when she claimed that testing would be 1271 02:03:42,95 --> 02:03:47,25 over by one o'clock was do you have any issues with those statements yes ma'am 1272 02:03:47,26 --> 02:03:52,48 again because we never know what is going to come up with testing and as the person 1273 02:03:52,49 --> 02:03:59,34 in charge of it for star she needs to be there. OK and moving to the fourteen 1274 02:03:59,35 --> 02:04:03,83 fifteen school year did anything notable happen at the beginning of that year at 1275 02:04:03,84 --> 02:04:09,20 yesterday's Jefferson several times would come to me and she would apologize to me 1276 02:04:09,32 --> 02:04:15,06 for the way she spoke to me the way she treated me and she would promise me she 1277 02:04:15,07 --> 02:04:21,69 would do better. OK so moving to back to exhibit nine forty five. 1278 02:04:27,79 --> 02:04:34,79 We were yes or. OK so most Your mention earlier that you 1279 02:04:34,80 --> 02:04:40,86 said in here that this. Mr Jefferson we're showing growth so this seems like it was 1280 02:04:40,87 --> 02:04:47,08 a more positive reviews of the case yes and this is June eleventh two thousand and 1281 02:04:47,09 --> 02:04:51,41 sixteen is that what I'm reading fifteen OK so this was the end of the school year 1282 02:04:51,42 --> 02:04:56,38 two thousand and fourteen two thousand and fifteen yes that was approximately four 1283 02:04:56,39 --> 02:04:59,16 months after her first growth plan she went on 1284 02:04:59,17 --> 02:05:05,16 a growth plan that January two thousand and fourteen so was so she was on 1285 02:05:05,17 --> 02:05:11,12 a growth plan yes so that helped her show growth OK Yes and she had completed Yes 1286 02:05:11,79 --> 02:05:16,67 and did anything else occur that led you to write some positive things in here in 1287 02:05:16,68 --> 02:05:23,42 the combinations. Yes I my recommendation because I wanted to make sure that she 1288 02:05:23,43 --> 02:05:29,74 sustained that So my recommendation. I listed that you know the items and I'm so 1289 02:05:29,75 --> 02:05:35,28 sorry I can't read them because they're so small but on the next day where I 1290 02:05:35,67 --> 02:05:40,86 continued my recommendations just to keep staff in form of guidance lesson so I I 1291 02:05:40,87 --> 02:05:41,27 made it 1292 02:05:41,28 --> 02:05:47,91 a point to list the items that were key that she sustained so this she could 1293 02:05:47,92 --> 02:05:53,46 continue to be an effective counselor for students and just to be clear less than 1294 02:05:53,47 --> 02:05:54,98 six months later she was back on 1295 02:05:54,99 --> 02:06:01,64 a growth plan yes ma'am OK and she was also issued to Iraq for me yes OK so I want 1296 02:06:02,04 --> 02:06:05,02 to pay or exhibit seventeen. 1297 02:06:08,95 --> 02:06:15,93 And Page seventy six what was that reprimand that was dated them or six or yes 1298 02:06:15,97 --> 02:06:21,67 this was a reprimand again for the way she spoke to me I'm sorry hold 1299 02:06:21,68 --> 02:06:28,48 a moment to exhibit seventeen seventeen it's labels that. OK Go ahead 1300 02:06:29,45 --> 02:06:31,62 this was the way this was 1301 02:06:31,63 --> 02:06:36,49 a reprimand for being disrespectful to me once again whenever I would try to get 1302 02:06:36,50 --> 02:06:40,86 her side of the story of what was going on and in this instant as she did not come 1303 02:06:40,87 --> 02:06:45,33 to work and instead of reporting the absence to me which is what the protocol 1304 02:06:45,34 --> 02:06:51,01 States at the bottom of that exhibit she contacted the guidance tech and should 1305 02:06:51,02 --> 02:06:55,84 also contact with the guidance talk during Star casting correct yes or no does it 1306 02:06:55,85 --> 02:07:00,08 say anywhere in Arlington I asked you policy that your to notify your assistant if 1307 02:07:00,09 --> 02:07:07,00 you're not coming to work no so moving on to Exhibit eighteen and this 1308 02:07:07,01 --> 02:07:12,95 one addresses for all issues this was on November sixth twenty fourteen Yes And 1309 02:07:13,26 --> 02:07:19,24 just to clear up something that was mentioned earlier in this reprimand with the 1310 02:07:19,25 --> 02:07:26,05 supporting documentation that we've provided on page eighty two. Same exhibit page 1311 02:07:26,06 --> 02:07:33,04 eighty two yes can you read that last paragraph. Of Miss Jeff this is an 1312 02:07:33,08 --> 02:07:38,05 e-mail from Mr Jefferson to miss wrong Yes Currently I'm at capacity as far as 1313 02:07:38,06 --> 02:07:44,32 Cindy video counsel mean but I can speak with him from time to time so based on Mr 1314 02:07:44,33 --> 02:07:47,78 Jefferson's statement earlier she may not have said directly to the student she was 1315 02:07:47,79 --> 02:07:52,36 that capacity but she did say she was at capacity and couldn't student but time to 1316 02:07:52,37 --> 02:07:56,16 time from time to time yes in that way and that was something that was told to 1317 02:07:56,17 --> 02:08:01,35 staff whenever they would try to refer students to her she was at capacity or she 1318 02:08:01,36 --> 02:08:01,56 had 1319 02:08:01,57 --> 02:08:09,07 a lot of testing going on and so that's kind of what this. This reprimand 1320 02:08:09,16 --> 02:08:13,71 on Exhibit eighteen page seventy eight beginning on page seventy eight that deals 1321 02:08:13,72 --> 02:08:13,85 with 1322 02:08:13,86 --> 02:08:19,29 a lot of those issues right telling staff that she has that capacity or she's busy 1323 02:08:20,14 --> 02:08:26,43 and get back. And so that's documented and yes OK now. 1324 02:08:30,88 --> 02:08:37,49 I want to address on page seventy nine paragraph. And it says on 1325 02:08:37,50 --> 02:08:42,56 October second two thousand and fourteen when Brandon Holland asked you to assist 1326 02:08:42,57 --> 02:08:42,69 with 1327 02:08:42,70 --> 02:08:46,65 a kindergarten student in crisis you told him you were having lunch and then when 1328 02:08:46,66 --> 02:08:51,41 she when he asked her she could assist in thirty minutes just like I said I'm 1329 02:08:51,42 --> 02:08:56,04 having lunch Yeah what is your definition of in crisis because clearly this 1330 02:08:56,91 --> 02:09:02,69 Jefferson didn't believe student was in crisis to me that. The definition of in 1331 02:09:02,70 --> 02:09:04,90 crisis is when a student cannot perform in 1332 02:09:04,91 --> 02:09:09,25 a classroom just like the other any other regular student would perform in the 1333 02:09:09,26 --> 02:09:14,96 classroom in this instance the student who was crying uncontrollably. In the may 1334 02:09:14,97 --> 02:09:16,19 now face so if 1335 02:09:16,20 --> 02:09:21,19 a student's crying uncontrollably in the main office to you would be in crisis yet 1336 02:09:21,20 --> 02:09:25,71 said Ms Jefferson was sitting right across from this student two waiting to see Mr 1337 02:09:25,72 --> 02:09:30,89 Holland OK Well this was when she said she was having lunch so she was I am so 1338 02:09:30,90 --> 02:09:34,98 sorry that's and that's it and yes you're right. OK Well let's talk about this so 1339 02:09:34,99 --> 02:09:39,39 this is the issue where Mr Hollande said that student was in crisis Mr Everson 1340 02:09:39,40 --> 02:09:42,91 clearly disagrees but either way she told I'm not going to see the student now 1341 02:09:42,92 --> 02:09:47,73 because I'm having one Yes OK Now let's talk about the incident you're talking 1342 02:09:47,74 --> 02:09:53,11 about which I think is water. And can you explain what that issue was. 1343 02:09:54,20 --> 02:09:56,80 So letter Eet is 1344 02:09:56,81 --> 02:10:03,57 a student who again was crying uncontrollably in the office in this instance it in 1345 02:10:03,65 --> 02:10:08,00 I saw the student crying and I saw Miss Jefferson who was sitting behind the car 1346 02:10:08,01 --> 02:10:12,70 desk and I asked Miss Jefferson to please reach out to the student to see what was 1347 02:10:12,71 --> 02:10:17,24 going on for sending Normally she did not respond she didn't say anything she just 1348 02:10:17,25 --> 02:10:20,83 looked at me and then after 1349 02:10:20,84 --> 02:10:24,77 a few minutes later I'm just sitting there not saying anything then she approached 1350 02:10:24,78 --> 02:10:26,34 the student but she waited 1351 02:10:26,98 --> 02:10:32,61 a good how long would you say about three to four minutes after you told her to the 1352 02:10:32,62 --> 02:10:37,94 Student Yes and then under after you say on November sixth she declined to teach 1353 02:10:37,95 --> 02:10:42,61 your request for an after school parent meeting so you state she stated she's 1354 02:10:42,62 --> 02:10:47,65 unavailable after so are there are other acts with no expectations other than and 1355 02:10:48,08 --> 02:10:51,46 an occasional parent meeting when maybe 1356 02:10:51,51 --> 02:10:57,17 a counselor would be expected to go past their contracted hours absolutely anything 1357 02:10:57,18 --> 02:11:01,46 that we can do today to support the student if it means staying after school then 1358 02:11:01,47 --> 02:11:02,72 we stay after school to meet with 1359 02:11:02,73 --> 02:11:08,55 a parent. And what are the are there other examples of times when when 1360 02:11:08,56 --> 02:11:14,56 a counselor may be called upon to work contracted hours. Yes Well we have school 1361 02:11:14,57 --> 02:11:20,39 wide events or during testing times the expectation is for eyes to arrive there 1362 02:11:20,40 --> 02:11:25,46 early to make sure that everything's ready to go for students on testing days OK 1363 02:11:25,47 --> 02:11:31,100 And did you address that and for lists of reprimand. Yanks 1364 02:11:32,01 --> 02:11:35,98 to attend after silly and why is it important for 1365 02:11:36,44 --> 02:11:42,81 a counselor to attend extracurricular activities. Because it's important to build 1366 02:11:42,82 --> 02:11:47,01 those positive relationships with the community and I wanted the community to get 1367 02:11:47,02 --> 02:11:51,25 to know her and know that she is the counselor and I also wanted the students to 1368 02:11:51,26 --> 02:11:56,99 see her that she was part of what we do she's part of our family so I wanted her to 1369 02:11:57,00 --> 02:12:02,62 be part of it OK and moving back to seventy I want to ask you. 1370 02:12:04,91 --> 02:12:11,77 About. The calendar that you said has been and had been in place since October 1371 02:12:11,78 --> 02:12:15,06 eighth two thousand and fourteen so you had 1372 02:12:15,07 --> 02:12:20,32 a what was the purpose of the counseling calendar that was in place to two thousand 1373 02:12:21,09 --> 02:12:22,77 and fourteen the purpose of 1374 02:12:22,78 --> 02:12:27,87 a counseling calendar was to make sure that the students were being serviced by MS 1375 02:12:27,88 --> 02:12:31,81 Jefferson and I was receiving. You know 1376 02:12:31,82 --> 02:12:37,34 a lot of concerns from teachers and staff that you know they were going to miss 1377 02:12:37,35 --> 02:12:39,62 Jefferson asking her to see 1378 02:12:39,63 --> 02:12:46,20 a student she was always that capacity too busy didn't have time to see them. And 1379 02:12:46,55 --> 02:12:52,70 I wanted to make sure that she was servicing the students OK And can you go to page 1380 02:12:52,74 --> 02:12:57,61 eighty three same. As you get ready to do that we're going to take 1381 02:12:57,62 --> 02:13:02,64 a five minute break to stretch so. You just need to get up for 1382 02:13:02,65 --> 02:13:04,88 a little bit so that's 1383 02:13:05,12 --> 02:13:14,01 a problem can I have. You know could each party of the time. All 1384 02:13:14,02 --> 02:13:20,39 right we're back on the record and continuing on. With ministration Your next 1385 02:13:20,40 --> 02:13:25,63 question just some or all of this can you go to our exhibit can you know situations 1386 02:13:25,69 --> 02:13:32,46 that and. So. Mr Jefferson received two growth plans 1387 02:13:32,47 --> 02:13:38,99 during the fifteen sixteen square correct yes OK And can you just age fifty to 1388 02:13:39,03 --> 02:13:45,45 about exhibit and explain what the concern for loans are hidden in the land. We 1389 02:13:45,46 --> 02:13:50,32 were targeting professional behavior professional standards OK And did she complete 1390 02:13:50,33 --> 02:13:57,10 that plan and this one it was and successfully unsuccessful 1391 02:13:57,66 --> 02:13:59,49 and because she received 1392 02:13:59,53 --> 02:14:05,24 a written reprimand on December ninth and also as she failed to to follow 1393 02:14:05,25 --> 02:14:10,55 directives given to her so it looks like page fifty one was the right was the 1394 02:14:10,56 --> 02:14:16,55 growth plan is alive and thirteen fifteen page two is also a growth plan dated 1395 02:14:16,56 --> 02:14:17,74 a lot of uncertainty but 1396 02:14:17,75 --> 02:14:24,35 a sign John one hundred sixteen yes the way of the discrepancy in the dates on the 1397 02:14:24,36 --> 02:14:31,05 signatures so it's the same growth plan but if you note on page fifty two you 1398 02:14:31,06 --> 02:14:35,40 see that numbers four and five were added which tells you whether the plan was 1399 02:14:35,41 --> 02:14:41,64 successfully completed or not. So God indicated it was not it wasn't not completed 1400 02:14:41,65 --> 02:14:46,47 and we met on January eleventh two thousand and sixteen to discuss the outcome of 1401 02:14:46,48 --> 02:14:49,55 her plan. And moving to H. 1402 02:14:49,56 --> 02:14:56,41 Pretty nine. This is it January twentieth or sixteen What were they so 1403 02:14:56,42 --> 02:15:01,75 this was after the last one wasn't completed correct Yes What were the areas of 1404 02:15:01,76 --> 02:15:08,67 growth in this. Here it was again once again professional communication with 1405 02:15:08,68 --> 02:15:13,57 me following directives. Having a follow through with 1406 02:15:13,58 --> 02:15:19,10 a grocer responsibility time management following district policies and 1407 02:15:19,14 --> 02:15:19,89 implementing 1408 02:15:19,90 --> 02:15:25,99 a comprehensive guidance and counseling program matters OK so it looks like in all 1409 02:15:26,00 --> 02:15:26,98 of these growth plans that 1410 02:15:26,99 --> 02:15:32,35 a major part of it was requesting that Mr instructing Mr Jefferson to log her time 1411 02:15:32,39 --> 02:15:36,64 while her time for guidance or more of her time for counseling What was the 1412 02:15:36,65 --> 02:15:42,22 reasoning for the logging the reason for the logging was because once again there 1413 02:15:42,23 --> 02:15:46,23 were concerns when students were being referred to her you know she would tell the 1414 02:15:46,24 --> 02:15:52,76 staff that she was too busy or she was not responding fast 1415 02:15:52,86 --> 02:15:58,64 enough to address the student's concerns so this was so you could. Spend her time 1416 02:15:58,72 --> 02:16:03,12 yes and also that would give me an understanding of Gabby if she needed some more 1417 02:16:03,13 --> 02:16:08,56 additional support for me that I could help her but she never came to me asking for 1418 02:16:08,57 --> 02:16:13,88 support with regards to I'm too busy OK What was her reason she was so busy if she 1419 02:16:13,89 --> 02:16:17,15 wasn't doing that and wasn't there she wasn't doing individual counseling What was 1420 02:16:17,16 --> 02:16:23,45 she doing where she claims that she was dealing with testing however she had in 1421 02:16:23,46 --> 02:16:27,82 a maze seen guidance tech who was outstanding and when 1422 02:16:27,83 --> 02:16:32,29 a bob and beyond her roles and responsibilities as the guidance to the did she do 1423 02:16:32,30 --> 02:16:39,20 all the testing or the school all the way through since she's been with us. So Mr 1424 02:16:39,21 --> 02:16:45,46 Jefferson assets January twenty third fifteen which is on page fifty three that's 1425 02:16:45,47 --> 02:16:51,66 when the first she went on the first glory plan OK January twenty third fifteen OK 1426 02:16:51,77 --> 02:16:56,89 and it's page fifty three at that time responsibilities for school for District 1427 02:16:56,90 --> 02:17:01,47 white testing were taken away from her because she claimed that she was too busy to 1428 02:17:01,48 --> 02:17:06,51 see students because of testing so the only test the responsibility that was given 1429 02:17:06,52 --> 02:17:11,99 to her we under we all agree that it she would oversee Starr with the understanding 1430 02:17:12,17 --> 02:17:17,44 that she would assist the guidance to tech with school why test Steen S. 1431 02:17:17,45 --> 02:17:18,87 Needed and when 1432 02:17:18,88 --> 02:17:25,37 a star star is she is usually starts around April March April 1433 02:17:25,74 --> 02:17:32,09 sometimes may depends and so after you took away all of her testing music star did 1434 02:17:32,10 --> 02:17:37,23 you get last complaints about her not showing up to guidance lessons or the things 1435 02:17:37,24 --> 02:17:43,28 students know they complained continued and then she also received or reprimands 1436 02:17:43,29 --> 02:17:50,08 during the fifteen sixteen school year yes and we have provided copies of those 1437 02:17:50,09 --> 02:17:54,95 and exhibits thirteen to sixteen. Yes absolutely. 1438 02:17:58,62 --> 02:17:58,82 I mean 1439 02:17:58,83 --> 02:18:11,15 a recording of time. Twenty 1440 02:18:11,20 --> 02:18:17,81 two minutes. Sixteen. 1441 02:18:20,98 --> 02:18:25,59 We have here you have I'm just reminding you you have sixty minutes our man and. 1442 02:18:27,37 --> 02:18:34,16 Could someone way win or. I will do my best. 1443 02:18:35,51 --> 02:18:41,78 On. Their Own your two children what their 1444 02:18:42,49 --> 02:18:49,32 rights are were never meant. If you don't understand anything I ask let me know yes 1445 02:18:50,07 --> 02:18:56,53 because otherwise. I shall have to say OK Yes and 1446 02:18:57,21 --> 02:19:03,47 and school districts exhibits that thirteen to sixteen are the or 1447 02:19:03,48 --> 02:19:10,21 reprimand. They were issued to my client in the fifteen sixteen school year yes 1448 02:19:10,70 --> 02:19:17,60 and and you know that she greedy of those for reprimand Yes And and 1449 02:19:17,66 --> 02:19:22,37 and and that whether or not school board term or not you're not sure or you know I 1450 02:19:22,37 --> 02:19:26,57 don't know. And and and you agree with me she has 1451 02:19:26,58 --> 02:19:33,01 a right to photograph Yes And and that here is in Arlington and in school district 1452 02:19:33,02 --> 02:19:33,27 we have 1453 02:19:33,28 --> 02:19:40,16 a right to agree to disagree yes and and and 1454 02:19:40,17 --> 02:19:47,07 as long as we do it professional yet what exactly do you say My car is 1455 02:19:47,08 --> 02:19:52,46 not professional when she disagrees with just the way she speaks to me any time I 1456 02:19:52,47 --> 02:19:54,55 try to get her side of the story ends and 1457 02:19:54,56 --> 02:19:59,90 a concerned this reported to me she becomes very aggressive very disrespectful 1458 02:20:00,90 --> 02:20:05,63 there's been instances where I want to meet with her so that we can discuss discuss 1459 02:20:05,64 --> 02:20:05,84 it in 1460 02:20:05,85 --> 02:20:10,46 a meeting and she is sense of Marinette to that meeting she tells me I'm not meeting 1461 02:20:10,47 --> 02:20:16,58 with you and she's make comments to me during requests like that of that nature I'm 1462 02:20:16,59 --> 02:20:22,52 tired of you I don't want to talk to you I'm going to Mr heel so she makes it very 1463 02:20:22,53 --> 02:20:27,17 difficult for me to address concerns that are being reported to me about her 1464 02:20:27,18 --> 02:20:32,84 performance well let's talk about that about those concerns that let's go to the 1465 02:20:32,85 --> 02:20:39,82 growth for the Jewish student and just for the benefit of the board members. And 1466 02:20:39,83 --> 02:20:41,54 then what's a growth plan 1467 02:20:42,21 --> 02:20:47,20 a growth find it's when and there are issues with performance which are coming 1468 02:20:47,21 --> 02:20:52,88 simper poor man and then we provide support or for that counsellor and we put him 1469 02:20:52,89 --> 02:20:54,83 on a growth plan as as 1470 02:20:54,84 --> 02:21:01,75 a builder in principle are you part of your duties is to is to teach 1471 02:21:01,84 --> 02:21:08,02 everyone at your building to become better employed Yes and and better growth plan 1472 02:21:08,10 --> 02:21:14,76 is an effort to do that is yes that more specifically point out deficiency Yes 1473 02:21:14,96 --> 02:21:16,69 And and to give them 1474 02:21:16,70 --> 02:21:23,65 a reasonable time. To give you you give employer reasonable time to 1475 02:21:23,66 --> 02:21:30,08 of course remediate depictions Yes and isn't remediation the 1476 02:21:30,15 --> 02:21:37,06 goal. I don't understand where you as Bill unprintable aren't 1477 02:21:37,07 --> 02:21:42,41 you trying to help employees become better yes and you'll agree with me we're not 1478 02:21:42,47 --> 02:21:49,26 that they're perfect employee doesn't exist right I had my client never professed 1479 02:21:49,27 --> 02:21:55,17 to be a perfect employee No she did not and and your job as 1480 02:21:55,18 --> 02:22:01,20 a building principal that is to teach them and also to help them to become better 1481 02:22:01,39 --> 02:22:02,21 yet and 1482 02:22:02,22 --> 02:22:08,85 a growth plan is an effort in that regard yes OK That that that let's look at 1483 02:22:09,32 --> 02:22:15,95 the. The very first growth plan under Exhibit Number ten 1484 02:22:16,29 --> 02:22:22,05 I'm looking at the number the more you gave me because mine's not date stamp but 1485 02:22:22,06 --> 02:22:25,91 based on forty nine and fifty OK. 1486 02:22:29,24 --> 02:22:36,02 Now. Now intervention plan period at the top of page 1487 02:22:36,03 --> 02:22:42,18 forty nine you know venture land clearly one twenty one sixteen through two twenty 1488 02:22:42,19 --> 02:22:49,14 six sixteen Yes Now one of. Those dates signify I 1489 02:22:49,58 --> 02:22:55,25 mean they signify that he says he says the time when she's going to Sunday why and 1490 02:22:55,26 --> 02:22:59,80 she Sixpack that to perform everything that's talk you meant to do this from when 1491 02:23:00,54 --> 02:23:06,02 and and you gave are until February twenty sixth of this year yes 1492 02:23:07,51 --> 02:23:13,67 NOW NOW course you recommend it. To Scott Hale 1493 02:23:14,37 --> 02:23:20,17 that my client be non renewed by letter dated February eleventh two thousand and 1494 02:23:20,18 --> 02:23:27,01 sixteen Yes And and let's find that letter. That. 1495 02:23:33,31 --> 02:23:35,57 Look at the school districts exhibit numbers. 1496 02:23:42,39 --> 02:23:43,58 Are good that 1497 02:23:43,59 --> 02:23:49,48 a letter from you on will district letterhead that is dated February eleventh of 1498 02:23:49,49 --> 02:23:56,05 two thousand and sixteen yes and and that you're recommending 1499 02:23:56,06 --> 02:24:01,92 non-renewal Yes and by February eleventh if not sooner you've already decided she 1500 02:24:01,93 --> 02:24:05,96 needs to be. Yes 1501 02:24:09,59 --> 02:24:15,34 How much more who are her bori level did you decide she needs to be in on I don't 1502 02:24:15,35 --> 02:24:21,24 know specific timeline i week two weeks or so more or less I would I couldn't tell 1503 02:24:21,24 --> 02:24:27,56 you specific time and it could have been January twenty one that. 1504 02:24:28,91 --> 02:24:34,42 I don't know OK that and then let's go back to this last growth one of the warm 1505 02:24:34,43 --> 02:24:37,53 that Mark and the one base there. 1506 02:24:41,61 --> 02:24:48,35 Or you know. That if you would have already decided as of January twenty one she 1507 02:24:48,36 --> 02:24:51,79 needs to be in and not a new why did you give her 1508 02:24:51,80 --> 02:24:58,35 a. I don't I'm not I didn't say that I had already decided Well February eleventh 1509 02:24:58,36 --> 02:25:03,00 you had there eleventh I had run right that was have to she started on the growth 1510 02:25:03,04 --> 02:25:08,24 ride drive which you had all the difference between February twenty sixth and her 1511 02:25:08,25 --> 02:25:10,62 bore you eleven twenty one Days to 1512 02:25:10,78 --> 02:25:14,85 a show girl to at least try to show didn't she right but as as you know 1513 02:25:14,86 --> 02:25:19,50 a shower first growth plan was given to her back in two thousand and fourteen and 1514 02:25:19,51 --> 02:25:25,29 the recommendation was given to the board in two thousand and sixteen that's two 1515 02:25:25,30 --> 02:25:29,64 years or two years to give her enough time to show growth right right understand 1516 02:25:29,65 --> 02:25:34,02 that and and you're smiling even funny about this because we do know it's not but 1517 02:25:34,03 --> 02:25:37,80 and and your stand on that that you know stand on you would like 1518 02:25:37,81 --> 02:25:43,66 a determination Yes or so so if this board not amuse my client there's nothing 1519 02:25:43,72 --> 02:25:49,26 wrong about that is there right where you smile OK action harassing I 1520 02:25:51,20 --> 02:25:53,01 don't mean to be a but but this is 1521 02:25:53,02 --> 02:25:58,31 a serious matter counsel for them opening statements you know there's the council 1522 02:25:58,38 --> 02:26:01,44 about the fact that she smiled that man she doesn't think it's 1523 02:26:02,58 --> 02:26:07,38 a serious matter let's those early for her well nor should you you can ask her 1524 02:26:07,39 --> 02:26:14,06 questions and let her answer them. So in the two thousand and fourteen two thousand 1525 02:26:14,07 --> 02:26:20,81 fifteen school year you gave mark on her very for her to go Yes And you 1526 02:26:20,82 --> 02:26:26,82 talked about that with counsel or. I talked about the growth plans in council 1527 02:26:26,83 --> 02:26:31,90 earlier the that you talked about the various growth plans you gave my heart during 1528 02:26:31,91 --> 02:26:35,81 the fourteen fifteenth's we're good at discuss them with her yes and my hot 1529 02:26:35,82 --> 02:26:39,87 successfully completed those four lines didn't she two thousand and fourteen two 1530 02:26:39,88 --> 02:26:45,02 thousand and fifteen yes yes so so though that when you say well School Board she's 1531 02:26:45,03 --> 02:26:47,15 got a long history there she's had 1532 02:26:47,16 --> 02:26:51,59 a history of showing girl isn't that she has not had 1533 02:26:51,60 --> 02:26:54,52 a history of showing growth she has shown history she has 1534 02:26:54,53 --> 02:27:00,69 a history of not being able to sustain the growth as she shows her man let's go to 1535 02:27:00,70 --> 02:27:06,17 the evaluation you gave her at the end of the fourteen fifteen school year and 1536 02:27:06,18 --> 02:27:11,77 that's Exhibit Number nine school of blanks active in the nine. And. 1537 02:27:12,88 --> 02:27:18,36 And you just testified under oath that she's not young girl didn't you say that I 1538 02:27:18,37 --> 02:27:24,51 said she was an able to sustain the growth to sustain it to sustain Yes OK 1539 02:27:25,21 --> 02:27:29,76 And so in the fourteen fifteen school year you gave or her were school plans and my 1540 02:27:29,77 --> 02:27:36,51 clients' access from the computer yes OK And then in. Then 1541 02:27:36,78 --> 02:27:37,04 in 1542 02:27:37,05 --> 02:27:45,67 a. Well 1543 02:27:45,90 --> 02:27:52,88 I can read these companies that they're going to. Go to my 1544 02:27:52,89 --> 02:27:56,34 client's fourteen fifteen evaluation that behind the number. 1545 02:28:01,52 --> 02:28:06,50 OK And all of the warning Mine's not based down that's real one not even your basic 1546 02:28:06,51 --> 02:28:12,62 stamp number and and go to the June eleventh two thousand and fifteen evaluation 1547 02:28:12,98 --> 02:28:16,80 yes and you'll agree with me that's Mark not fourteen fifteen 1548 02:28:16,80 --> 02:28:19,20 a valuation Yes and given about 1549 02:28:19,20 --> 02:28:25,98 a year ago yes and you did yes or OK and. And 1550 02:28:26,44 --> 02:28:33,15 and and read again for the first sentence under recommendations. Or professional 1551 02:28:33,16 --> 02:28:37,92 growth. And I'm going to try my best to read every some kind I'm kind of blind as 1552 02:28:37,93 --> 02:28:41,90 a second year school counselor I have contacts on but I think you as 1553 02:28:41,91 --> 02:28:47,14 a second year story under recommendation go under recommendations OK I am confident 1554 02:28:47,15 --> 02:28:51,86 that Mr Jefferson will continue to grow professionally and he let me stop you there 1555 02:28:51,87 --> 02:28:58,71 first you've written. So she has shown professional growth yes 1556 02:28:59,45 --> 02:29:00,83 and fact you were caught off 1557 02:29:01,07 --> 02:29:06,87 a year ago or she would continue to show yes and where in this done would you say 1558 02:29:07,11 --> 02:29:13,95 but she doesn't suspend. Well in their recommendations that I made that I made 1559 02:29:13,96 --> 02:29:17,67 very explicit because I wanted to make sure that she sustained it they weren't 1560 02:29:17,68 --> 02:29:21,34 sustained it's not THEIR RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT but you say that you're 1561 02:29:21,35 --> 02:29:26,98 confident she's going to do your grow Yes and you'll agree with me that sustaining 1562 02:29:26,99 --> 02:29:32,55 growth is no no no she did not show that. 1563 02:29:35,91 --> 02:29:41,73 And you didn't tell her in this evaluation she didn't show up to that dish even if 1564 02:29:41,74 --> 02:29:45,54 she could sustain growth and i'm not understand you know where your ass let me ask 1565 02:29:45,55 --> 02:29:49,83 me the question again please I want to make sure I answer it correctly is that in 1566 02:29:49,84 --> 02:29:56,06 the fourteen fifteen around you did notify mark or you know. That you've shown 1567 02:29:56,07 --> 02:29:59,22 growth but you can't says I did not use 1568 02:29:59,22 --> 02:30:05,55 a smart C N N R And and you were really agree with me better growth plan is 1569 02:30:05,56 --> 02:30:08,02 a good tool that will 1570 02:30:08,58 --> 02:30:15,55 a professional work by will come back yes and you'll also worry that they're 1571 02:30:15,56 --> 02:30:21,18 not to mention you know state wall to evaluate and all their culture or 1572 02:30:23,03 --> 02:30:29,60 what what if state law or read there will come that yes and 1573 02:30:29,97 --> 02:30:32,02 as your job as 1574 02:30:32,43 --> 02:30:39,10 a building principal and also appraise. That. You know in these valuations to 1575 02:30:39,11 --> 02:30:45,09 point out the good things and I'm not so yes 1576 02:30:47,05 --> 02:30:52,81 and you'll agree with me that fourteen fifteen valuation is not under P.T.A.'s that 1577 02:30:53,07 --> 02:30:57,23 that's not rated as you know fish exceed that age 1578 02:30:57,47 --> 02:31:02,09 a lot but right that you would really know that that's 1579 02:31:02,61 --> 02:31:09,42 a good evaluation not I cannot agree with you on that briefly for fission 1580 02:31:11,37 --> 02:31:15,10 and without having a rule breaker I cannot just make 1581 02:31:15,11 --> 02:31:19,83 a guess as to what this would consider to be considered but our students are OK 1582 02:31:19,97 --> 02:31:25,40 Well remember they shan't then they're at least you'll let the board decide where 1583 02:31:25,41 --> 02:31:30,35 they're not that you gave her sufficient warning to indicate wow you're not doing 1584 02:31:30,36 --> 02:31:35,88 a good job I may not bring you next Yes right OK And and. 1585 02:31:37,34 --> 02:31:40,29 Now now on up. 1586 02:31:45,80 --> 02:31:50,53 There and you talked about Exhibit Number ten that I think based them or you not 1587 02:31:50,64 --> 02:31:57,09 find out what what my notes say that that's that that. 1588 02:32:01,15 --> 02:32:07,74 They have by the way. That. That the day that 1589 02:32:07,81 --> 02:32:12,27 you assume that Mr kale that February Levanon you 1590 02:32:12,28 --> 02:32:16,51 a letter that the district placed my client on leave 1591 02:32:16,52 --> 02:32:22,23 a mystery leave didn't yes yet go to your black notebook exhibit number. 1592 02:32:23,54 --> 02:32:23,76 Or. 1593 02:32:42,16 --> 02:32:43,53 That number ten. 1594 02:32:51,86 --> 02:32:58,70 So. So so that letter for Mr Perry old to Pamela Jefferson day of February eleventh 1595 02:32:59,61 --> 02:33:06,26 Yes And and and advising her that she's 1596 02:33:06,27 --> 02:33:13,05 immediately being placed on. Leave with pay pin and good proposal 1597 02:33:13,17 --> 02:33:18,68 or not Mr T.'s You have forty five minutes remaining You have to be notified OK 1598 02:33:20,75 --> 02:33:26,87 Right yes OK so so so even though 1599 02:33:27,77 --> 02:33:33,75 your growth plan that one my client signed January twenty two thousand and sixteen 1600 02:33:33,79 --> 02:33:40,06 gave my Klein that that until February twenty sixth to show bro that you were both 1601 02:33:40,98 --> 02:33:47,87 Gerber eleven and she was removed from your campus isn't that I want to 1602 02:33:47,88 --> 02:33:50,35 say it was temporary left and I asked Well that's 1603 02:33:50,36 --> 02:33:55,14 a date when Mr kills let's say Yes If so yes there were eleven so so you'll agree 1604 02:33:55,15 --> 02:34:02,05 with me my client could use that try to to 1605 02:34:02,06 --> 02:34:07,17 successfully complete this its growth plan the one in the boy one said. 1606 02:34:09,43 --> 02:34:13,28 No because she had already been given multiple opportunities another growth plans 1607 02:34:13,64 --> 02:34:19,17 so the and you know why did you give her until February twenty sixth that's 1608 02:34:19,18 --> 02:34:21,48 Courtland and that why give her 1609 02:34:21,49 --> 02:34:26,48 a good plan at all I understand because I again she was struggling with sustaining 1610 02:34:26,49 --> 02:34:33,15 her performance of being an effective counselor for students. That's the 1611 02:34:33,16 --> 02:34:39,73 law while this board you know what. Ten days before the last they were 1612 02:34:39,74 --> 02:34:45,36 selected. This board could have been reported as late as May twenty five this in 1613 02:34:45,37 --> 02:34:52,23 that I don't know well if that is true which I called the school lawyer want to 1614 02:34:52,24 --> 02:34:57,99 explain that to the board and let's assume that's true wouldn't you agree with me. 1615 02:35:00,82 --> 02:35:07,37 Now to give my car and the rest of the war. They broke and most American to try to 1616 02:35:07,38 --> 02:35:14,22 save her. And her career I cannot agree with you on that because she had 1617 02:35:14,23 --> 02:35:18,86 been given multiple opportunities to improve this is her third year as 1618 02:35:18,87 --> 02:35:22,89 a counselor at our school now but I'm still confused way viewers that you could 1619 02:35:22,90 --> 02:35:27,69 evaluation at the university computer because like you stated my job is to make 1620 02:35:27,70 --> 02:35:34,62 sure that I support my staff to make them better and become the best so I always I 1621 02:35:34,66 --> 02:35:39,96 wanted to give her what she was doing well but also address the areas where she 1622 02:35:39,97 --> 02:35:46,80 needed growth Yeah but she did sustain growth completely on the growth when the age 1623 02:35:46,81 --> 02:35:53,32 was when you gave her in the four to be the first growth plan yes OK now now now 1624 02:35:53,36 --> 02:36:00,06 earlier over my objection. We bore her testimony 1625 02:36:00,10 --> 02:36:04,09 about my client's performance as a classroom teacher 1626 02:36:04,38 --> 02:36:09,37 a years ago. A just and union member that does more yes. 1627 02:36:14,07 --> 02:36:19,93 Now when did you start building principal linhay. Two thousand and thirteen two 1628 02:36:19,94 --> 02:36:26,89 thousand and fourteen school year where. August two thousand and thirteen and you 1629 02:36:26,90 --> 02:36:30,84 interviewed along. With 1630 02:36:30,88 --> 02:36:37,77 a committee you interviewed Michael Yes and you and your committee hard work 1631 02:36:38,38 --> 02:36:43,87 yes and so whatever deficiencies you're trying now to point out to the board you 1632 02:36:43,88 --> 02:36:50,46 hard work yes you think my point about no. 1633 02:36:51,96 --> 02:36:58,44 You reprimand her but she will or part. Yes 1634 02:36:58,89 --> 02:37:05,40 And we know ever since nineteen Nightmist will districts honestly of Texas. Place 1635 02:37:05,41 --> 02:37:09,11 a lot of emphasis on state man D. 1636 02:37:09,18 --> 02:37:15,83 Text. Yes that's right. Yes you know or 1637 02:37:15,84 --> 02:37:22,78 excuse me Mark mind you. Her daughter had missed the school bus you think that's 1638 02:37:22,80 --> 02:37:29,39 true I believe her yes and she was how way. She arrived at 1639 02:37:29,40 --> 02:37:33,32 a twenty because I was waiting at that at the door and say what she arrived at 1640 02:37:33,33 --> 02:37:39,42 eight twenty she claimed say fifteen so we agree to disagree and and 1641 02:37:39,100 --> 02:37:46,29 test me regained twenty thirty minutes later yes well so thankfully she was 1642 02:37:47,07 --> 02:37:52,96 or she arrived or she arrived for the administration of the test event or not and. 1643 02:37:55,02 --> 02:38:01,96 And whether you approve or not she at least interpret your admonish. Your tell 1644 02:38:01,97 --> 02:38:03,03 more not only how to be 1645 02:38:03,04 --> 02:38:08,26 a school counselor but Wells one hundred we have here she interpreted she 1646 02:38:08,27 --> 02:38:14,63 interpreted it that that way but that was not my intent right right and and I 1647 02:38:14,64 --> 02:38:17,24 believe that but But you agree that 1648 02:38:17,25 --> 02:38:24,05 a lot about this case that is communication and or miscommunication Yes And 1649 02:38:24,75 --> 02:38:29,64 and and and she's interpret things correctly but she's also interpret things in 1650 02:38:29,65 --> 02:38:31,39 correct yes is 1651 02:38:31,40 --> 02:38:43,81 a possible PFOA had you at least possible I 1652 02:38:43,82 --> 02:38:50,74 don't know. Just in the way she she's treated me and other staff members 1653 02:38:50,75 --> 02:38:56,12 it's very different but for me to agree that it's that I have interpreted things 1654 02:38:56,13 --> 02:39:02,87 incorrectly when the way she talks to me it's so aggressive and disrespect 1655 02:39:02,91 --> 02:39:09,66 Oh and just insulting so so. There's not doubt in your mind you're right and shoot 1656 02:39:09,67 --> 02:39:11,21 will yes. 1657 02:39:32,22 --> 02:39:37,90 Pass. Before you ask any questions let's get another time for everyone. 1658 02:39:54,99 --> 02:40:00,98 So sixty eight or no you have no fifty four men with fifty one 1659 02:40:02,65 --> 02:40:08,41 you know meaning you with some time you would have with the paper. 1660 02:40:12,04 --> 02:40:18,87 When it was drivable not at I think I will. But but but I realize 1661 02:40:18,88 --> 02:40:25,69 fifty warm and this one you know I know sixty you view sixty 1662 02:40:25,70 --> 02:40:31,37 eight minutes no I use the I'm sorry Well I'm not surprised you think so well 1663 02:40:32,97 --> 02:40:33,43 OK. 1664 02:40:40,10 --> 02:40:46,99 Thank. You this is 1665 02:40:46,100 --> 02:40:51,22 where all of us when counsel is question you keep presented growth plans as an 1666 02:40:51,23 --> 02:40:57,20 opportunity for growth or for employees correct yes but we don't put employees that 1667 02:40:57,21 --> 02:41:01,46 are already doing their jobs on growth plans just as an opportunity to get better 1668 02:41:01,47 --> 02:41:08,37 do it right and in all fairness Mr Jefferson didn't complete one of our requests 1669 02:41:08,43 --> 02:41:12,65 plants do you to be completely fair because as Council points out she was on on 1670 02:41:12,66 --> 02:41:18,53 leave or the other one expired Yes OK after shots you did say that she was showing 1671 02:41:18,54 --> 02:41:24,92 growth in your combinations in that two thousand and fifteen evaluation correct yes 1672 02:41:24,96 --> 02:41:26,55 but also to be fair you had 1673 02:41:26,56 --> 02:41:30,82 a number of recommendations from Miss Jefferson as well that were not supposed 1674 02:41:31,26 --> 02:41:37,13 right or are weighing on her your performance of her job yet so while you were 1675 02:41:37,14 --> 02:41:43,74 hopeful she might one day. Excel she was not doing that at this time right OK 1676 02:41:44,08 --> 02:41:51,00 and. Between the look growth plan. That was began 1677 02:41:51,01 --> 02:41:56,30 on January twenty first twenty sixteen as counsel pointed out and ended February 1678 02:41:56,31 --> 02:42:02,79 twenty sixth and now you were eleven letter to us and got pale so between January 1679 02:42:02,80 --> 02:42:04,79 twenty first in the February eleventh that was 1680 02:42:04,80 --> 02:42:09,79 a period of three weeks correct yes and was Miss Jefferson showing growth during 1681 02:42:09,80 --> 02:42:14,98 those three weeks was she mastering that plan no she she was struggling so when you 1682 02:42:14,99 --> 02:42:19,83 reported to Mr kale that she was struggling she had just failed to complete the 1683 02:42:19,84 --> 02:42:23,63 last growth plan yet in the subsequent growth plan she wasn't showing any 1684 02:42:23,64 --> 02:42:30,20 improvement right. And just to be clear when you did hire Mr Jefferson Are you 1685 02:42:30,21 --> 02:42:34,24 privy to all of her conference on Marie's No I was not in fact you spoke to Mr 1686 02:42:34,25 --> 02:42:38,77 Tapia car I did and he never mentioned conference summary he never mentioned 1687 02:42:38,81 --> 02:42:40,57 concerns with communication. 1688 02:42:45,100 --> 02:42:46,62 Current time. 1689 02:42:58,05 --> 02:43:04,55 Thank you. For the questions for this witness all right and this witness stuff that 1690 02:43:04,55 --> 02:43:09,27 . Thank you. Subject to recall 1691 02:43:12,92 --> 02:43:17,59 there were no i don't you're welcome to look at it if you'd like you can we'll take 1692 02:43:17,60 --> 02:43:23,81 a break OK it's if you choose to look at it later you're welcome. 1693 02:43:26,59 --> 02:43:31,01 Does the administration have any other witnesses I do I would like to call now 1694 02:43:31,05 --> 02:43:36,25 building and she's. All right well take 1695 02:43:36,26 --> 02:43:41,76 a two minute break let's try to while we're going at the White House. Man are you 1696 02:43:41,77 --> 02:43:48,72 ready to start all right then if you would again call your witness OK I'd like to 1697 02:43:48,73 --> 02:43:54,54 call now fielding all right you'll please approach and the court reporter will 1698 02:43:54,55 --> 02:44:00,59 swear you in. I want to thank you for your patience as you've waited here with. 1699 02:44:08,81 --> 02:44:14,58 Attitude. This feeling can you please state for the record 1700 02:44:15,59 --> 02:44:19,87 building and what is your position with this I am director gotten some counseling 1701 02:44:20,29 --> 02:44:26,94 OK you. Assists midsts with. The 1702 02:44:26,95 --> 02:44:32,78 summative evaluations just to the extent. To what it did to what extent if any did 1703 02:44:32,79 --> 02:44:32,89 you 1704 02:44:32,90 --> 02:44:39,92 a sister with language. I showed her the domains that counts are trying 1705 02:44:39,93 --> 02:44:44,69 to enter the competencies and where did you derive estimates that come from the 1706 02:44:44,70 --> 02:44:45,09 T.V. 1707 02:44:45,10 --> 02:44:49,78 I got plans based off the education code OK And how about the growth plans how did 1708 02:44:49,79 --> 02:44:55,67 you did you assist with the growth plans. When I provided those domains to miss 1709 02:44:55,68 --> 02:44:56,99 Morales we had been 1710 02:44:56,100 --> 02:45:02,52 a cop the domain that she wanted. Mr Jefferson to work on and then it was developed 1711 02:45:02,56 --> 02:45:08,69 from that and did you assist substantively with any of the plan there were 1712 02:45:08,70 --> 02:45:12,35 some things that assisted with but I didn't have 1713 02:45:12,36 --> 02:45:16,26 a great involvement beyond providing that domains and then again 1714 02:45:16,27 --> 02:45:22,44 a bind the area that needed part OK Can you define or 1715 02:45:23,24 --> 02:45:28,46 work has come up a lot of the documents what is your definition as a counselor of 1716 02:45:28,47 --> 02:45:31,43 a student being in crisis any time 1717 02:45:31,47 --> 02:45:37,63 a student is disrupting the learning environment in the classroom. That could be 1718 02:45:37,64 --> 02:45:41,20 considered that students in crisis there it could be 1719 02:45:41,21 --> 02:45:47,98 a very outward outburst. Particularly with younger students exhibits it 1720 02:45:47,99 --> 02:45:50,95 said that way with older students it may be 1721 02:45:50,96 --> 02:45:55,01 a student in the corner crying and then that disrupts the learning environment 1722 02:45:55,02 --> 02:46:00,51 because. The other students more interested in what's causing that student to me 1723 02:46:00,52 --> 02:46:03,28 and to be attending to academics as 1724 02:46:03,29 --> 02:46:07,33 a counselor do you only have an obligation to intervene if student is actually in 1725 02:46:07,62 --> 02:46:14,21 crisis as you've defined it now students will exhibit a need for intervention and 1726 02:46:14,22 --> 02:46:18,25 a lot of different ways it could be that they're not academically successful So if 1727 02:46:18,26 --> 02:46:22,50 the teacher determines it's not an academic need but there are some other things 1728 02:46:22,51 --> 02:46:26,34 that are causing that student to not be successful then that would be 1729 02:46:26,35 --> 02:46:29,60 a reason to refer to it the Count's or if 1730 02:46:29,61 --> 02:46:34,69 a student was suspended for making threats against their teacher and their mom 1731 02:46:34,70 --> 02:46:39,29 recut requested counseling with that be something that you feel like you could 1732 02:46:39,30 --> 02:46:44,82 assist the student with. Your action I'm sure. Thanks for. 1733 02:46:48,58 --> 02:46:52,61 The. Designation this is 1734 02:46:52,63 --> 02:46:59,35 a quick walk response let's stop the clock sponsored by Iris 1735 02:46:59,94 --> 02:47:04,71 I guess I can couch it differently and if I was her supervisor about something I 1736 02:47:04,72 --> 02:47:10,84 would expect her to do yes and there has been do write all that let's rephrase 1737 02:47:10,85 --> 02:47:14,23 a question that's fine all rephrased sustain So would you expect 1738 02:47:14,24 --> 02:47:19,08 a counsellor of the counselling counsellor supervisors to pursue counselor 1739 02:47:19,15 --> 02:47:25,68 supervisor to to deal with that issue yes OK And would it be appropriate to 1740 02:47:25,69 --> 02:47:31,80 say that student needs therapy and I can't provide anything on camp. Counselor not 1741 02:47:31,81 --> 02:47:34,74 therapist and really cannot make that judgement call 1742 02:47:34,75 --> 02:47:39,90 a mop Union pulled out so she shouldn't even have said the student needs therapy in 1743 02:47:39,91 --> 02:47:46,03 the first place made that judgment call that would not be something. That I would 1744 02:47:46,04 --> 02:47:50,88 have assessed just from because he did this then he needs therapy I don't think 1745 02:47:50,94 --> 02:47:52,42 that would be a judgment call 1746 02:47:52,43 --> 02:47:57,36 a counsellor is trying to my OK And in that scenario that I gave you would you 1747 02:47:57,37 --> 02:48:01,55 expect counselor to deal with that student given that 1748 02:48:01,56 --> 02:48:06,64 a fact on campus as follows saying any outside their counsels are responsible for 1749 02:48:06,65 --> 02:48:13,06 helping students with any of those behavior only and even then receiving. Their 1750 02:48:13,07 --> 02:48:13,43 P.R. 1751 02:48:13,44 --> 02:48:20,08 Counseling services professional services counselors are responsible for helping 1752 02:48:20,09 --> 02:48:25,43 students to work with their behavior on the campus so what there ever be 1753 02:48:25,44 --> 02:48:30,59 a situation where you would say. I can't help you but I'll refer you to U.T.A. 1754 02:48:30,63 --> 02:48:33,97 You clearly need help but it's beyond my scope if 1755 02:48:33,98 --> 02:48:40,83 a student was exhibiting behavioral issues students 1756 02:48:40,84 --> 02:48:42,47 may need they are P. 1757 02:48:42,48 --> 02:48:47,28 Beyond what I counsel or is trying to do but if 1758 02:48:47,29 --> 02:48:51,27 a student it's exhibiting behavioral issues on the campus it is 1759 02:48:51,28 --> 02:48:57,19 a responsibility of the counselor to continue to work with them and so. 1760 02:49:03,42 --> 02:49:05,93 What would be considered active passive A such that 1761 02:49:05,93 --> 02:49:10,10 a counselor couldn't see any more student it's never had 1762 02:49:10,11 --> 02:49:13,90 a counselor say they are ACA passes so that should Enough be 1763 02:49:14,13 --> 02:49:19,74 a statement that's made in this district I wish that would be mass estimate would 1764 02:49:19,75 --> 02:49:20,80 you have any concerns 1765 02:49:20,81 --> 02:49:25,53 a student who was told or the teacher of the student was who was told that their 1766 02:49:25,92 --> 02:49:32,23 councils that capacity was engaging in self harm threats. We have very strict but 1767 02:49:32,24 --> 02:49:37,54 we're very clear guidelines about how accounts first and the staff is to handle 1768 02:49:37,86 --> 02:49:44,02 a suicide. And they are made it referred to the counselor the counselor sees them 1769 02:49:44,73 --> 02:49:45,04 we have 1770 02:49:45,05 --> 02:49:50,53 a little assessment that we do just counted to judge how serious they are I mean 1771 02:49:50,54 --> 02:49:55,84 are they going home and have not been They're going to do this or are they in the 1772 02:49:55,85 --> 02:49:56,84 beginning stages of 1773 02:49:56,85 --> 02:50:01,36 a Myin whatever that is and we always notify the parent that is an immediate 1774 02:50:01,37 --> 02:50:05,41 response from the campus from the teacher to the administrators to the Count's or 1775 02:50:05,87 --> 02:50:10,78 and to say I'm I'm at capacity but also and I'm over you. That wouldn't be 1776 02:50:10,79 --> 02:50:15,77 appropriate and that's not a OK and. If 1777 02:50:15,78 --> 02:50:20,23 a student's falling in the front office because they got sent to the principal is 1778 02:50:20,24 --> 02:50:24,11 that just a natural consequence student should deal with or is that 1779 02:50:24,12 --> 02:50:24,87 a behavior that 1780 02:50:24,88 --> 02:50:31,06 a counselor would be expected to intervene and help but I would think that they 1781 02:50:31,07 --> 02:50:34,94 would be expected to intervene you don't know why that student is reacting that way 1782 02:50:35,79 --> 02:50:37,11 if you had a conversation with 1783 02:50:37,12 --> 02:50:40,34 a student and maybe that if I get in trouble at school I'm going to get 1784 02:50:40,35 --> 02:50:47,21 a beating at home or I fear that because when I get in trouble at home here's the 1785 02:50:47,22 --> 02:50:51,16 consequences is this going to be the same consequences when they when I call into 1786 02:50:51,17 --> 02:50:55,76 that A.B.C. Office that child may not know what's going to happen so if there is 1787 02:50:55,77 --> 02:51:01,88 a caring adult they are who would talk with that student and help to calm them down 1788 02:51:01,89 --> 02:51:07,35 and say you know. Here's what it's going to look fly and I'm going to help people 1789 02:51:07,36 --> 02:51:09,05 through this but until you have 1790 02:51:09,06 --> 02:51:12,63 a conversation you don't know so I would be appropriate to leave 1791 02:51:12,64 --> 02:51:17,20 a student standing there stalling in the off so as the counselor and look I know. 1792 02:51:18,35 --> 02:51:23,29 There are some talkin Jefferson's documentation about well I don't know why 1793 02:51:23,30 --> 02:51:27,29 everyone's complaining about my Guidance lessons because I just I just present the 1794 02:51:27,30 --> 02:51:31,41 one that the district makes me present is that accurate does the district give 1795 02:51:31,42 --> 02:51:38,19 a canned presentation I know we do in our counts for meetings we demonstrate 1796 02:51:38,20 --> 02:51:43,09 got it so lessons and that's part of the training for new counselors and to 1797 02:51:43,38 --> 02:51:45,45 pressure for all the other counselors and it's 1798 02:51:45,46 --> 02:51:49,26 a sharing of information counselors present a different way it's like when I was 1799 02:51:49,27 --> 02:51:53,29 a teacher all the math teachers might be teaching the same math lesson but it's 1800 02:51:53,30 --> 02:51:57,19 going to look different from teacher to teacher so we give them options we have 1801 02:51:57,20 --> 02:51:59,28 a prime work in the district but we don't have 1802 02:51:59,29 --> 02:52:06,09 a person. Here is how you teach. Communication skills 1803 02:52:06,10 --> 02:52:10,77 here is how you teach goal setting here is how you teach planning we have never 1804 02:52:10,78 --> 02:52:12,31 presented a plan like that is 1805 02:52:12,32 --> 02:52:16,73 a framework and here all the options here are the resources you have to choose 1806 02:52:16,74 --> 02:52:23,44 a lesson to teach. There was an incident in January twenty sixth 1807 02:52:23,85 --> 02:52:30,39 where you were. Implicated in not providing feedback and so Miss 1808 02:52:30,40 --> 02:52:34,09 Jefferson claimed that that was the reason that she wasn't timely in following 1809 02:52:34,10 --> 02:52:36,14 a directive by providing 1810 02:52:36,15 --> 02:52:43,15 a guidance plan to her your principal as requested so how do you respond and 1811 02:52:43,16 --> 02:52:45,32 I might not have responded to that e-mail in 1812 02:52:45,33 --> 02:52:51,86 a timely manner that sometimes happens but we at the beginning of that year 1813 02:52:52,52 --> 02:52:59,06 presented the law that holds the counts for handbook in that handbook is an outline 1814 02:52:59,18 --> 02:53:06,17 on guidance. And resources and it also date tight what 1815 02:53:06,18 --> 02:53:08,76 we're teaching there are seven components from T.I. 1816 02:53:08,77 --> 02:53:13,76 That counselors are supposed to teach So Mike in the month of October we teach good 1817 02:53:13,77 --> 02:53:18,89 decision making because that's the Red Ribbon Week an anti bowling month so. 1818 02:53:20,36 --> 02:53:26,23 We. Have those guidelines so that across the district every count search teaching 1819 02:53:26,24 --> 02:53:30,28 the sign thing at the same time but it's going to look different from campus to 1820 02:53:30,29 --> 02:53:34,41 campus based on what the campus needs are and so you say it's going to look 1821 02:53:34,42 --> 02:53:38,83 different from campus to campus so first of all it's like you said Miss You said 1822 02:53:38,84 --> 02:53:42,95 you provided the beginning of that year all that information to Mr Jefferson though 1823 02:53:42,96 --> 02:53:46,70 she should have had not information already racked though her statement that it was 1824 02:53:46,71 --> 02:53:50,64 because you weren't responsive you already provided her everything you were you 1825 02:53:50,65 --> 02:53:57,04 would have provided her right and we can. Sustain that you 1826 02:53:57,54 --> 02:54:02,88 did you providing this yes that information had been provided we previewed it being 1827 02:54:02,89 --> 02:54:04,52 online before that had 1828 02:54:04,53 --> 02:54:10,54 a printed version but we went to online so they it was always assessable and easy 1829 02:54:10,55 --> 02:54:17,16 to update and then in October fifteenth meeting we revisited that of that year 1830 02:54:18,15 --> 02:54:23,14 and told him again how to get into the law bander here is what's what's in the law 1831 02:54:23,15 --> 02:54:28,45 bander and that includes the guidance OK so the second thing you said is it's going 1832 02:54:28,46 --> 02:54:32,45 to look different from campus to campus so I might understand that each campus 1833 02:54:32,46 --> 02:54:37,99 should have their own Guidance less than or less than plans all ran up already Yes 1834 02:54:38,00 --> 02:54:43,11 And we encourage counselors in August to set up that plan for their campus in-car 1835 02:54:43,12 --> 02:54:48,46 get in August so there's no excuse for Gagnon wary into the school year not having 1836 02:54:48,47 --> 02:54:51,75 a guidance when I have never created a god it's 1837 02:54:51,76 --> 02:54:58,49 a plan for campus. And this Jefferson as part of her relief has asked stay with the 1838 02:54:58,50 --> 02:55:03,04 district to be transferred from the smallest do you think that if transferred she 1839 02:55:03,05 --> 02:55:07,99 would be an effective councillor on another no thank you. 1840 02:55:10,13 --> 02:55:12,17 Before you get Tanika. 1841 02:55:21,51 --> 02:55:26,66 Historically to use fifty one of your nine. One one 1842 02:55:29,55 --> 02:55:30,08 yes. 1843 02:55:37,48 --> 02:55:42,36 Please proceed that this field in my name is Daniel Ortiz you and I have 1844 02:55:42,37 --> 02:55:49,10 a government you know. That your director. Album 1845 02:55:49,11 --> 02:55:55,92 services got and some counseling yet I CAN'T AND and OR you my clients 1846 02:55:55,93 --> 02:56:02,70 direct supervisor know and or represent them of jurors. And that's 1847 02:56:02,71 --> 02:56:04,51 a yes court of course they can play down that's 1848 02:56:04,52 --> 02:56:11,49 a yes yes OK And you know Pamela Yes And you know her because because she served as 1849 02:56:11,50 --> 02:56:15,51 a counselor and then held last three school year yes. 1850 02:56:19,62 --> 02:56:26,61 That you met with her want one on one yes and 1851 02:56:26,62 --> 02:56:33,08 November two thousand fourteen. Of the fourteen fifteenth's one year yes 1852 02:56:34,06 --> 02:56:39,17 and then why did you meet with her she contacted me because she indicated she was 1853 02:56:39,18 --> 02:56:45,45 have an difficulty in her relationship with her principal and and and so she 1854 02:56:45,46 --> 02:56:52,34 reached out yes she did that. Now now that's not 1855 02:56:52,45 --> 02:56:52,97 to me that's 1856 02:56:52,98 --> 02:56:59,01 a positive thing sure sure that it's at least acknowledging there's an issue. And 1857 02:56:59,02 --> 02:57:02,17 she's and I'm sorry please verbalize your answer yes. 1858 02:57:07,02 --> 02:57:13,46 And. And that was November of the fourteen fifteenth's Yes And 1859 02:57:13,95 --> 02:57:15,38 and and that on 1860 02:57:15,68 --> 02:57:21,82 a question in Calif So you admit that you assist the building principal with 1861 02:57:21,83 --> 02:57:27,60 respect to my class evaluations and if the growth were not her evaluation but with 1862 02:57:27,61 --> 02:57:30,83 a growth plan. Or with 1863 02:57:30,84 --> 02:57:36,55 a growth plan not an evaluation which we want the one growth plan that I was 1864 02:57:36,56 --> 02:57:41,88 invited to have input which is and that I guess that was January. 1865 02:57:44,07 --> 02:57:48,10 Ma'am I'm asking you I'm not asking someone I'm not sure I'm not sure of the exact 1866 02:57:48,11 --> 02:57:52,82 date so what school year thirteen fourteen fourteen fifteen fifteen sixteen I 1867 02:57:52,83 --> 02:57:59,03 believe it was fourteen fifteen OK And and. And and you understand my client 1868 02:57:59,07 --> 02:58:05,01 successfully completed so what don't I do not know because I was not informed of 1869 02:58:05,05 --> 02:58:11,66 that and and would you ever observe my client 1870 02:58:12,25 --> 02:58:16,13 that had Lynn held her or no. 1871 02:58:19,38 --> 02:58:26,36 A bit ago that you testified Well no one asked you if you recommended 1872 02:58:26,37 --> 02:58:32,45 not on your mark on it that it's not part of your job is now to 1873 02:58:33,36 --> 02:58:39,68 though. So you're in recommand to super tend to involve schools or to Mr Kayo 1874 02:58:40,26 --> 02:58:45,18 or to the building principal that you think of District ought to not when you might 1875 02:58:45,87 --> 02:58:52,42 know and and and and you're not suggestion 1876 02:58:53,10 --> 02:58:59,86 you have an opinion one way or the other do when I was asked the question I had an 1877 02:58:59,87 --> 02:59:01,47 opinion and you were asked 1878 02:59:01,47 --> 02:59:06,73 a question about where that if she transferred or not asked me that yes then no one 1879 02:59:06,74 --> 02:59:13,21 ever asked you about non-renewal did they know that 1880 02:59:13,94 --> 02:59:15,43 now what's the purpose of 1881 02:59:15,47 --> 02:59:22,40 a. For counts well for any our growth plan is to grow in 1882 02:59:22,41 --> 02:59:29,38 your profession and become more proficient. That. You've been 1883 02:59:29,39 --> 02:59:35,82 educator hell twenty one years and worked as a teacher I was 1884 02:59:35,83 --> 02:59:40,44 a teacher and then accounts oh long did you teach five years 1885 02:59:43,51 --> 02:59:50,38 that you're evaluated every year not every year well well you'll 1886 02:59:50,39 --> 02:59:54,86 agree with me we're not evaluations are really good tools to help with teacher know 1887 02:59:55,19 --> 03:00:01,71 the good things and or not so good things about that teacher Yes And you also agree 1888 03:00:01,72 --> 03:00:04,05 a growth plans an excellent tool to fill 1889 03:00:04,20 --> 03:00:10,71 a professional sort of wine room yes and if that you can book where 1890 03:00:12,95 --> 03:00:19,14 I have not created to growth plan that you understand what plan yes I did and and 1891 03:00:19,21 --> 03:00:19,41 you have 1892 03:00:19,42 --> 03:00:24,57 a growth plan indicates that an employee is on it from January warm two thousand 1893 03:00:24,58 --> 03:00:30,24 and sixteen until January thirty two thousand and sixty that you ought to give them 1894 03:00:30,25 --> 03:00:36,43 that will thirty one day should to grow or not grow yes and. 1895 03:00:37,72 --> 03:00:43,01 And to shorten that very day it would be unfair with yes 1896 03:00:47,18 --> 03:00:53,99 that that that we agree with you know let's look at my client's fourteen fifteen 1897 03:00:53,100 --> 03:00:58,94 evaluation that's marked as the school districts exhibit number two and I think. 1898 03:01:00,36 --> 03:01:04,74 And which book Oh I know Number nine in the small white. 1899 03:01:07,28 --> 03:01:08,51 That school district they have 1900 03:01:08,52 --> 03:01:14,99 a number. And and. 1901 03:01:17,68 --> 03:01:24,28 And look at made stamped. Well yeah they stamp forty five years of my clients. 1902 03:01:28,59 --> 03:01:34,63 And this time. His wife you know Well mine are all different but let's look 1903 03:01:35,27 --> 03:01:41,98 at. At. At my 1904 03:01:41,99 --> 03:01:48,67 client's fourteen fifteen evaluation and as Date up on top again Level two thousand 1905 03:01:48,68 --> 03:01:54,77 fifteen you see that yes OK And and and you're familiar with the for school 1906 03:01:54,78 --> 03:01:58,49 counselors evaluation yes and they're not right you have 1907 03:01:58,50 --> 03:02:04,93 a lot why he asked evaluations All right see the. Low expectations all right 1908 03:02:05,80 --> 03:02:11,62 that you'll agree with me that this is that is at least proficient if not better. 1909 03:02:34,17 --> 03:02:38,20 Well I'll say that there were some commendations some commendations there were some 1910 03:02:38,21 --> 03:02:44,07 current something turns on some recommendations right right and and really that 1911 03:02:44,11 --> 03:02:50,54 first sentence. And they're under recommendations for personal growth or 1912 03:02:50,55 --> 03:02:56,71 professional growth OK reality for. 1913 03:02:58,12 --> 03:02:58,38 Having 1914 03:02:58,39 --> 03:03:05,99 a loon. See this. You know it's pretty blurry now 1915 03:03:05,99 --> 03:03:09,87 . Yeah that's 1916 03:03:09,91 --> 03:03:16,90 a different company than. Yeah. I believe you're reading where it 1917 03:03:16,91 --> 03:03:23,65 says I read it yeah yeah but but but we probably I have used the copy I see 1918 03:03:23,66 --> 03:03:29,36 she has is from the heart mind you really I'm sorry that's not clear Yeah yeah yeah 1919 03:03:29,37 --> 03:03:34,72 I know that's what's not clear that now can you ever since you yeah I am confident 1920 03:03:34,73 --> 03:03:38,71 that Mrs Miss Jefferson will continue to grow professionally to this and it is 1921 03:03:38,72 --> 03:03:42,45 recommended that she continue to do the following in an effort to meet students' 1922 03:03:42,46 --> 03:03:49,30 needs. Oh yes OK. That that take 1923 03:03:49,31 --> 03:03:51,89 a look at. That on 1924 03:03:51,90 --> 03:03:58,26 a very short time OK but not about that take a look at School District they have 1925 03:03:58,27 --> 03:04:05,13 a number nine that first Growth Plan A that the one that that the 1926 03:04:05,14 --> 03:04:11,36 war on that intervention plan period. One twenty one sixteen grew to twenty six 1927 03:04:11,37 --> 03:04:11,82 between. 1928 03:04:18,38 --> 03:04:20,35 Yes but is down I'm sure T.N. 1929 03:04:21,05 --> 03:04:24,29 You know what. Makes them. 1930 03:04:28,44 --> 03:04:34,94 Thank you that they stand forty nine and this year we have here 1931 03:04:35,10 --> 03:04:40,44 after tap team have been there. And you have 1932 03:04:40,45 --> 03:04:46,77 a right hand one or the date of this one man January twenty yes and second page 1933 03:04:46,78 --> 03:04:53,74 break down To feel. Bad that my current and the bill in principle signed 1934 03:04:53,75 --> 03:05:00,75 it January twenty yes and. Will back your base camp for you nine intervention 1935 03:05:00,76 --> 03:05:06,99 plan here you and twenty one through through. There were twenty six sixteen 1936 03:05:07,48 --> 03:05:14,35 Yes And and you agree with me Michael and you have been. There were twenty 1937 03:05:14,36 --> 03:05:16,60 six that you complete 1938 03:05:17,04 --> 03:05:23,54 a successfully or unsuccessfully. That this school quite Yes and. 1939 03:05:25,32 --> 03:05:31,45 That at the cut her story of that would be arbitrary and also approach to 1940 03:05:31,94 --> 03:05:38,66 to to to to after giving her that that time period and and then 1941 03:05:38,67 --> 03:05:44,49 deciding on putting her on leave from or eleven that would be arbitrary and also 1942 03:05:44,50 --> 03:05:46,74 approached with. There's 1943 03:05:46,75 --> 03:05:53,24 a list Michael I did some of the analysts assume my client did OK Whereas to me she 1944 03:05:53,25 --> 03:06:00,08 didn't write yes ma'am so say yes right so. And educators are supposed to 1945 03:06:00,09 --> 03:06:06,23 be arbitrary and capricious or no 1946 03:06:07,74 --> 03:06:13,04 and isn't that what education all about to teach people not to be that way. 1947 03:06:16,65 --> 03:06:22,98 We teach children that yes it's our job to teach students that and you would hold 1948 03:06:23,02 --> 03:06:27,17 this or would hold every single employee you would also strive for that too 1949 03:06:28,61 --> 03:06:33,25 wouldn't you agree would you be 1950 03:06:33,26 --> 03:06:38,100 a man to appreciate it OK yes the. Let's do the time again 1951 03:06:46,43 --> 03:06:53,34 are there any questions from the administration. All right absolutely. 1952 03:06:54,55 --> 03:07:01,49 Do both parties have any further need for this witnessed or may we release. And 1953 03:07:01,50 --> 03:07:02,63 let me just ask you 1954 03:07:02,64 --> 03:07:09,23 a question before you go exhibit. If you ever were trying to exhibit. 1955 03:07:12,06 --> 03:07:12,90 The board is asked 1956 03:07:12,91 --> 03:07:19,19 a question and you may not be able to answer it but you'll see that Bates Label 1957 03:07:19,20 --> 03:07:25,64 Number forty nine says professional growth plan at the top. And then two pages 1958 03:07:25,65 --> 03:07:30,12 later there's something that says intervention plan for counselor in need of 1959 03:07:30,13 --> 03:07:36,72 assistance. And the question from the board if you know the answer is is there 1960 03:07:36,73 --> 03:07:43,11 a difference between those titles that has any 1961 03:07:43,12 --> 03:07:50,08 significance I think is just different Burbage for the same act 1962 03:07:50,57 --> 03:07:56,86 or plan OK. Do either of you have any further questions of this witness based on my 1963 03:07:56,87 --> 03:08:03,72 question and that answer. Now you all right thank you for coming today 1964 03:08:04,28 --> 03:08:08,84 May we release her from the rule you are now released from the rule that means if 1965 03:08:08,85 --> 03:08:13,15 you wish you're welcome to stay for the rest of the hearing but if you would prefer 1966 03:08:13,16 --> 03:08:19,42 you can leave and no one will hold it against you and. They recall you look. 1967 03:08:23,77 --> 03:08:30,63 All right. The administration still has. Nine minutes do you have any 1968 03:08:30,64 --> 03:08:37,41 further witnesses at this time strange. Thank you 1969 03:08:38,13 --> 03:08:44,96 all right Mr A tease you may call your first point. I will work 1970 03:08:45,04 --> 03:08:51,19 all you like I have free will of course let's take 1971 03:08:51,20 --> 03:08:57,96 a five minute recess. Appointments back. To Jefferson. We're back on the 1972 03:08:57,97 --> 03:09:04,93 record let me remind you you're still under oath Well said. Mr T.'s You may begin 1973 03:09:05,87 --> 03:09:12,74 thank you as I go on. This go to the black no will. Your exhibit 1974 03:09:13,49 --> 03:09:20,33 in the truck along. With you view sixty to ninety it's your 1975 03:09:20,34 --> 03:09:27,09 time twenty eight. Your way at that point. Yes sir. I 1976 03:09:27,10 --> 03:09:33,68 think. That that's the very briefly talk about the habits 1977 03:09:34,29 --> 03:09:38,93 that you presented to day and in the little one a is that 1978 03:09:39,37 --> 03:09:42,82 a true great to be your Texas educator to the good. 1979 03:09:48,37 --> 03:09:54,75 Yes sir and and and the probationary period began Aug twenty seventh 1980 03:09:55,44 --> 03:10:02,39 is that correct yes or that that. That when you went to college that 1981 03:10:02,53 --> 03:10:05,05 you go to college to. Be 1982 03:10:05,06 --> 03:10:11,80 a teacher. And that what and that your degree was in what 1983 03:10:12,09 --> 03:10:18,94 a Criminal Justice. That. I did you go 1984 03:10:18,99 --> 03:10:23,71 to an alternate. That revocation program yes. 1985 03:10:25,91 --> 03:10:31,22 And that during the two thousand seventy thousand eighty four year. I went to. 1986 03:10:33,94 --> 03:10:38,63 I believe. Own this May June. 1987 03:10:41,78 --> 03:10:47,77 Two thousand and seven toggles two thousand and seven and and then exhibit one B. 1988 03:10:48,31 --> 03:10:53,89 That is that true grit copy of your resume. Yes sir and. 1989 03:10:55,14 --> 03:11:00,75 And what year did you finish Atlanta high school and nineteen ninety five and. 1990 03:11:02,65 --> 03:11:08,17 And that when did you receive your bachelor's degree and December nine hundred 1991 03:11:08,18 --> 03:11:15,08 ninety nine so you took you know my four year yes. And and 1992 03:11:15,09 --> 03:11:21,51 that is that accurately reflect your job before began and. Teacher with the 1993 03:11:21,52 --> 03:11:28,02 district. Ever been fired any of these places. That 1994 03:11:28,26 --> 03:11:32,95 that. That some of these jobs were during college right now. 1995 03:11:36,74 --> 03:11:42,98 And that they want to see what does that reflect briefly. That's 1996 03:11:42,99 --> 03:11:48,96 a question of element that I had. That. Going to school that. 1997 03:11:50,54 --> 03:11:53,35 That seems to stand still is substantial. 1998 03:11:57,72 --> 03:12:02,16 I would say that it's embarrassing we're talking to Fanciulla normal. 1999 03:12:04,88 --> 03:12:10,28 That. And the exhibit number two. 2000 03:12:11,67 --> 03:12:18,24 That. That that copies of. Cards given to you by so 2001 03:12:18,25 --> 03:12:25,08 educators Yes And and and that why did you feel the need to present this 2002 03:12:25,09 --> 03:12:31,48 doc. Because it was shown that I couldn't get along with people in. 2003 03:12:32,57 --> 03:12:32,82 Like 2004 03:12:32,83 --> 03:12:40,80 a negative view of your own work when it was claimed that in the affidavit. I 2005 03:12:40,81 --> 03:12:47,03 actually think she said shall we say just like it was shown in the affidavit and I 2006 03:12:47,04 --> 03:12:52,76 got it. All right it's been asked and answered will just move on to the next 2007 03:12:52,77 --> 03:12:57,88 question but I want please listen each other and. 2008 03:13:00,56 --> 03:13:06,82 It was shown in the affidavits by the people. That I was not. 2009 03:13:08,44 --> 03:13:15,35 A nice person and no one could depend on me. As such OK And and in three 2010 03:13:15,36 --> 03:13:20,44 A is that. Timeline of events June thirteenth employer. 2011 03:13:24,60 --> 03:13:31,56 At three A Yes sir. And now it's your first year with with Lynn Hale. 2012 03:13:32,68 --> 03:13:39,56 And and that and when did you receive guidance check. That 2013 03:13:39,57 --> 03:13:46,30 year my guide mistake was leaving she kind of jobs in the Fine Arts. So I think she 2014 03:13:46,31 --> 03:13:50,65 left in. September early October and I didn't get 2015 03:13:50,66 --> 03:13:56,11 a guy the second till January of the next the beginning of the new semester. 2016 03:13:58,07 --> 03:14:00,51 And then what does a guy used to do in 2017 03:14:00,52 --> 03:14:06,76 a relationship she had two year old she's supposed to be helping me with things 2018 03:14:06,77 --> 03:14:12,64 that such as guidance and testing. So your first year as 2019 03:14:12,71 --> 03:14:14,45 a school counselor you didn't have 2020 03:14:14,64 --> 03:14:20,76 a. Permanent tax until January fourteenth. 2021 03:14:21,94 --> 03:14:28,92 It was January I believe fifteen. Why did you complain about that you know that you 2022 03:14:28,93 --> 03:14:33,78 followed grievance over that no that you. Threw 2023 03:14:33,79 --> 03:14:39,33 a fit yes or no in fact I did all the testing myself that three B. 2024 03:14:39,37 --> 03:14:46,31 Is that timeline the fourteen fifteen school year. Yes that that the growth 2025 03:14:46,32 --> 03:14:52,04 plans given to you germs that school year did you complete them yes or that 2026 03:14:52,05 --> 03:14:58,96 successfully unsuccessful says Foley. You heard the building principal 2027 03:14:58,97 --> 03:15:05,87 testified that so correct yes and. And how did she communicate that to. 2028 03:15:06,94 --> 03:15:12,79 Well during the growth plan I was supposed to meet with her almost every week and 2029 03:15:12,80 --> 03:15:18,59 put the logs of my recorded log time on what I did from day to day during that time 2030 03:15:18,60 --> 03:15:18,88 we met 2031 03:15:18,89 --> 03:15:25,41 a couple times the plane had expired and then it was I guess days later and she 2032 03:15:25,42 --> 03:15:29,17 said Oh by the way you finished your growth plan she really didn't meet with me 2033 03:15:29,18 --> 03:15:35,91 consistently OK Well well you know that. Yeah. You can 2034 03:15:35,92 --> 03:15:42,09 call to revise or no and and what this business someone said I forget who that 2035 03:15:42,82 --> 03:15:43,56 that you have 2036 03:15:43,57 --> 03:15:49,99 a closer than normal relationship with Mr Hill you know sir 2037 03:15:50,31 --> 03:15:54,57 objection. Oh you mean insinuating. 2038 03:15:58,46 --> 03:16:03,89 Mr or out is for her that I stated to talk to Mr healing and I don't want to meet 2039 03:16:03,90 --> 03:16:10,45 with her that was from the October twenty seventh the last week in 2040 03:16:11,50 --> 03:16:16,81 October the twenty fourteen fifteen school year and it was related to the drug and 2041 03:16:16,82 --> 03:16:18,19 eventually this that is 2042 03:16:18,20 --> 03:16:24,20 a part of their district Mr Eric Smita and she was calling me and asking me why did 2043 03:16:24,21 --> 03:16:30,62 you schedule someone to meet on the campus and you didn't have my authorization. I 2044 03:16:30,63 --> 03:16:37,44 did not know about this and we need to me and I was like I sent you e-mails that he 2045 03:16:37,45 --> 03:16:43,65 just knew Mr Smeaton knew he strode up the teacher showed up so I don't know why 2046 03:16:43,66 --> 03:16:49,58 she wasn't aware of it but that does to situation as she's talking about the two 2047 03:16:49,59 --> 03:16:55,07 age you're thinking about. The offer. 2048 03:16:56,97 --> 03:17:03,83 Can buyers just buy. It just by. Your 2049 03:17:03,100 --> 03:17:09,62 piece of meat you were full. Yes that. 2050 03:17:10,70 --> 03:17:14,03 Until you receive the average day that. If you have 2051 03:17:14,04 --> 03:17:20,11 a clue about that I didn't. The the the. 2052 03:17:23,47 --> 03:17:28,77 The There was testimony about your first call year thirteen fourteen if you were 2053 03:17:28,78 --> 03:17:35,39 late. Late for the start. That yes yes 2054 03:17:35,69 --> 03:17:38,76 and Miss Morales testified 2055 03:17:38,77 --> 03:17:45,39 a bit ago and I did make notes that you arrived. At by she said eight 2056 03:17:45,40 --> 03:17:52,33 twenty eight twenty she said You say eight fifteen yes sir and and test would be 2057 03:17:52,34 --> 03:17:53,59 given at nine A.M. 2058 03:17:54,50 --> 03:17:59,29 I believe so that. What time should you. 2059 03:18:01,41 --> 03:18:03,40 Contractually I'm supposed to be there from eight 2060 03:18:03,41 --> 03:18:08,95 o five to three thirty five you know start to start and. 2061 03:18:10,42 --> 03:18:16,42 And then ask your counsel or are you testing the test I'm still dating Yes I am so 2062 03:18:16,42 --> 03:18:19,99 . How many days a year do you give 2063 03:18:19,100 --> 03:18:30,31 a start about. Maybe 2064 03:18:30,31 --> 03:18:36,18 . Well you'll agree with me that those are nineteen pre-boarding day yes. 2065 03:18:37,55 --> 03:18:43,65 Well. What happened with your daughter which daughter was that it was my oldest 2066 03:18:43,66 --> 03:18:50,53 daughter and what happened. She went to the bus stop and 2067 03:18:50,54 --> 03:18:55,57 sometimes. When you were at the bus they'll come earlier than the anticipated time 2068 03:18:55,86 --> 03:19:00,05 so she went to the bus stop and then she came in as I was getting dressed and Sam 2069 03:19:00,06 --> 03:19:06,76 mom I missed the bus. Did you cause that contribute that evening you could have 2070 03:19:06,77 --> 03:19:10,04 done not done to avoid that. 2071 03:19:16,47 --> 03:19:18,57 Well you have time about her being 2072 03:19:18,58 --> 03:19:25,40 a lawyer. Was because. I was because darn it she needed to be in 2073 03:19:25,41 --> 03:19:32,37 school. And what did that make you do so I she went goes 2074 03:19:32,38 --> 03:19:38,72 to bin barber. And we stay off of so I have to take her to member in traffic which 2075 03:19:38,73 --> 03:19:44,90 takes over I don't know thirty minutes round trip and and then you arrived about 2076 03:19:44,91 --> 03:19:50,87 twenty minutes or so away ten minutes did you apologize. 2077 03:19:53,29 --> 03:19:58,96 I don't know if I apologized or not you didn't apologize you weren't flaunting your 2078 03:19:59,31 --> 03:20:04,19 life or you know absolutely not did you feel good about being like you know I did 2079 03:20:04,66 --> 03:20:11,35 and what was it about this morality telling you. Whatever she 2080 03:20:11,36 --> 03:20:15,63 told you that that upset you with respect to 2081 03:20:15,63 --> 03:20:22,06 a parent. Because she said to me I think I went to office to 2082 03:20:22,69 --> 03:20:27,19 ask her if I could take off after the starters was completed and then she said hey 2083 03:20:27,21 --> 03:20:28,61 by the way why were you late for 2084 03:20:28,62 --> 03:20:34,26 a star and I was like well my daughter had missed the bus and in she said it as 2085 03:20:34,26 --> 03:20:37,36 a parent you should ensure that your daughter was a as 2086 03:20:37,37 --> 03:20:42,03 a parent you have to make sure you take care of those things to something to that 2087 03:20:42,07 --> 03:20:49,04 just that sort of OK you kill it you know move forward quickly to February eleventh 2088 03:20:49,37 --> 03:20:55,01 OK. We've seen and we've talked about the building principal letter to Mr Taylor 2089 03:20:55,47 --> 03:21:00,96 they are. And and and replaced all leave that day. 2090 03:21:02,40 --> 03:21:06,25 And where you place them dating give me 2091 03:21:06,26 --> 03:21:13,08 a reason other then them as well as proposed in our normal contract. There are some 2092 03:21:13,09 --> 03:21:19,63 things that you could have done to avoid being played. I don't think so well. 2093 03:21:20,74 --> 03:21:27,72 Well Weren't you given the option to either. Not resign I mean actually not 2094 03:21:27,73 --> 03:21:33,46 a new. There's an objection what is your objection action leading 2095 03:21:34,28 --> 03:21:40,86 response. She's correct let me rephrase 2096 03:21:41,15 --> 03:21:47,84 our. That was something you could have done to avoid be in place. 2097 03:21:49,56 --> 03:21:54,50 Well when I came there Mr Coe asked me did I know I was there and I thought him no 2098 03:21:54,97 --> 03:21:55,99 and he was then that it was 2099 03:21:56,00 --> 03:22:01,11 a very serious matter he explained to me. That miserableness was proposing now we 2100 03:22:01,12 --> 03:22:07,19 know. What that meant that I would need to for their parliament check that I was 2101 03:22:07,20 --> 03:22:12,06 not renewed he wanted me to try to get my rep on the line and at that time she 2102 03:22:12,07 --> 03:22:18,61 couldn't because. MS has said from TS DA and the attorney they weren't available 2103 03:22:18,87 --> 03:22:25,40 so he was saying that ACA resigned to prevent having to be. Needing to check the 2104 03:22:25,41 --> 03:22:32,20 written nor my Ph applications. That skipping over still 2105 03:22:32,27 --> 03:22:37,55 in the black No four. Different number five is that 2106 03:22:37,68 --> 03:22:44,51 a rebuttal for the walk today from where you Yes And and by the the 2107 03:22:44,52 --> 03:22:51,45 response to the conference summary. Yes and. And then five 2108 03:22:51,46 --> 03:22:57,26 see his response to the reprimand that they there were. 2109 03:22:58,53 --> 03:23:05,24 There were five sixteen yes or and and and the rest of Exhibit five 2110 03:23:05,80 --> 03:23:10,12 responses rebuttal that the various reprimands given. 2111 03:23:13,69 --> 03:23:18,67 That. Skip over to. To. 2112 03:23:24,78 --> 03:23:25,20 To. 2113 03:23:33,25 --> 03:23:38,63 To exhibit number. A. And then 2114 03:23:38,64 --> 03:23:45,38 a statement. From Miss Alba Yes it is that she 2115 03:23:45,60 --> 03:23:49,41 when I first came she was at there a great teacher but currently she was 2116 03:23:49,42 --> 03:23:56,40 a first grade teacher still worked. She I believe she resigned as 2117 03:23:56,41 --> 03:24:02,95 of this school year and and this statement. This statement written about you and 2118 03:24:02,96 --> 03:24:08,74 dated June thirteenth sixteen yes OK and then seven B. 2119 03:24:08,80 --> 03:24:15,50 In that. Statement Karen would Middleton Yes I dated June fifteenth of this year 2120 03:24:15,62 --> 03:24:19,77 yes or was that she is a cs teacher she was 2121 03:24:19,78 --> 03:24:26,62 a c's teacher at our campus but she has another position in addition and and. And 2122 03:24:26,63 --> 03:24:32,47 then finally Exhibit seven c. Statement for Hazel good in. 2123 03:24:34,46 --> 03:24:41,34 Yes sir this dated June twentieth. Fifteen you're saying. That 2124 03:24:41,40 --> 03:24:46,86 that that. That without reading each one of them are these saying the positive 2125 03:24:46,87 --> 03:24:52,04 things about you you're saying that is it appeared to be people that you're 2126 03:24:52,08 --> 03:24:58,43 a difficult to get along with. And professional. Combat it. 2127 03:25:01,41 --> 03:25:07,77 That and then let's go through. To. Exhibit number thirteen. 2128 03:25:10,74 --> 03:25:11,54 That is Dan 2129 03:25:11,58 --> 03:25:15,29 a school district post Dave dated June twenty eighth two thousand and six game. 2130 03:25:17,72 --> 03:25:24,72 Post in your position yes I. Think that the little presume that all I 2131 03:25:24,73 --> 03:25:31,54 do look at is Scuse me. Where are you. David Number thirteen black no 2132 03:25:31,87 --> 03:25:38,82 my client. Yeah yeah we know 2133 03:25:38,96 --> 03:25:45,14 you know I'm not some Akaka book and I woke up next to one. 2134 03:25:47,74 --> 03:25:52,96 Then my to hear from. There in the envelope all. 2135 03:25:55,01 --> 03:26:01,46 I'll see if that's not invalid. I guess you're OK. 2136 03:26:06,64 --> 03:26:13,29 You know. And if you make sure that one of them. Don't 2137 03:26:13,73 --> 03:26:15,24 make sure you have an extra point I was first. 2138 03:26:23,60 --> 03:26:26,38 And probably right when we got wind of it in the wind obligation. 2139 03:26:32,77 --> 03:26:39,63 And it's the this that has it in there one it's going to court reporter. Yeah OK 2140 03:26:40,34 --> 03:26:46,91 great thank you. Are and you're on which number. Thank you for thirteen. 2141 03:26:48,00 --> 03:26:54,20 The board return to thirteen and then. Mr Ickes day that job posted in. 2142 03:26:55,42 --> 03:26:57,03 Order they councillors issued 2143 03:26:57,04 --> 03:27:01,29 a late Hale elementary school day to do enjoy two thousand and sixteen yes ma'am. 2144 03:27:05,70 --> 03:27:12,48 You'd think that some quarters. Ministration assumes that that European 2145 03:27:12,49 --> 03:27:17,66 binary group Woodward rules. That attach to that is that 2146 03:27:17,87 --> 03:27:23,36 a job description of your position. You don't want to defer speak Twain. 2147 03:27:26,36 --> 03:27:31,79 Elementary school counselor and an L.P.C. What the L.P.C. L.P.C. 2148 03:27:31,80 --> 03:27:36,17 Is a licensed professional counselor that's where you can go see them for 2149 03:27:36,18 --> 03:27:39,70 a range of things and they are out of line since 2150 03:27:39,71 --> 03:27:44,40 a by the state of Texas to practice their precinct from different there be 2151 03:27:44,41 --> 03:27:48,92 approaches and be the the director of 2152 03:27:48,99 --> 03:27:55,46 a council began testified that that school counselor is did no position to 2153 03:27:55,47 --> 03:27:56,88 determine if 2154 03:27:57,08 --> 03:28:03,92 a child in the surface for that. Or to not that she ever share 2155 03:28:03,93 --> 03:28:09,17 that with you. Or not anybody ever share that with you with the district. 2156 03:28:12,72 --> 03:28:13,76 That U.G.A. 2157 03:28:14,00 --> 03:28:19,97 That I get the idea administration is is suggesting that to the board that. 2158 03:28:21,44 --> 03:28:28,43 That your somewhat lazy and they want to get to work late leave early 2159 03:28:28,44 --> 03:28:28,70 take 2160 03:28:28,71 --> 03:28:35,80 a long lunches and not be working and for everything. And why 2161 03:28:35,81 --> 03:28:42,18 do you refer to each. In our counseling him 2162 03:28:42,72 --> 03:28:46,61 says that if we feel as though the key is to 2163 03:28:46,62 --> 03:28:51,97 a benefit for something more than where we are at liberty to give that we were firm 2164 03:28:51,98 --> 03:28:53,22 to U.T. We have 2165 03:28:53,23 --> 03:28:59,83 a referral for District trainers you do that. That. 2166 03:29:00,92 --> 03:29:07,39 That. Until the desperate before the mule anyone ever say stop doing that stop 2167 03:29:07,40 --> 03:29:10,50 sinning kiddo. And no one ever did. 2168 03:29:20,58 --> 03:29:27,32 Yeah and. And you know stand in that school district protocol with respect to 2169 03:29:27,33 --> 03:29:32,77 suicidal ideation. Whenever 2170 03:29:32,78 --> 03:29:37,39 a kid say that they want to kill themself or the teacher believes that we have to 2171 03:29:37,40 --> 03:29:37,54 do 2172 03:29:37,55 --> 03:29:44,42 a suicide assessment once we do it. We asked questions is three categories and 2173 03:29:44,43 --> 03:29:50,71 it's low medium and high and you have to tally it based on the student's response 2174 03:29:51,03 --> 03:29:56,94 to see if there if the risk is higher low and from there you always contact the 2175 03:29:56,95 --> 03:30:01,98 parent and let them know the situation if it is high you ask 2176 03:30:01,99 --> 03:30:05,13 a parent to come and get their child and there's 2177 03:30:05,14 --> 03:30:11,45 a form that explains directions to the parent. I didn't ask the director 2178 03:30:12,25 --> 03:30:16,59 I didn't ask the building principal questions because I think they can assume the 2179 03:30:16,60 --> 03:30:22,42 answer let me ask you Do you think. All of the if in school. 2180 03:30:24,72 --> 03:30:29,71 I'm out at. If they are at 2181 03:30:29,72 --> 03:30:40,45 a school in which your school. Yeah 2182 03:30:40,54 --> 03:30:46,56 yeah and and I consider that they're trying to paint us. As 2183 03:30:46,58 --> 03:30:50,04 a bank they get no work late labor OK. 2184 03:30:53,60 --> 03:30:59,13 You're twenty minutes you have to be notified when you're at twenty. So. Stop the 2185 03:30:59,14 --> 03:31:03,19 clock and if you could just calculate. Between. 2186 03:31:07,05 --> 03:31:08,29 What I think. 2187 03:31:13,79 --> 03:31:17,11 That that that you mean would parents before school after. 2188 03:31:28,51 --> 03:31:30,65 The mystery OK I was this is 2189 03:31:30,66 --> 03:31:35,83 a mystery we're not going to say oh my god the clock is stopped and you can't read 2190 03:31:35,84 --> 03:31:42,40 another word so I finish finish your train of thought. Well think. 2191 03:31:45,15 --> 03:31:52,02 Which. We're 2192 03:31:52,02 --> 03:31:52,38 almost. 2193 03:31:58,85 --> 03:32:05,83 There. But. What is that right 2194 03:32:06,41 --> 03:32:12,16 now what. About. When the side what the director's. 2195 03:32:15,05 --> 03:32:18,56 And that would decide your successfully complete the fourteenth. 2196 03:32:23,51 --> 03:32:28,76 Using about. You think you ought to be not. 2197 03:32:34,68 --> 03:32:38,14 Knowable. I understand and I'm not 2198 03:32:38,15 --> 03:32:43,28 a perfect counsellor. But I do put in work I. 2199 03:32:45,56 --> 03:32:50,69 Have stayed late. I come to school every day I come to school when I take all. 2200 03:32:54,70 --> 03:33:01,48 You know. Well do you think but but but but you know this is Big Lots of 2201 03:33:01,49 --> 03:33:05,72 districts don't want to transfer the educators they perceive to be 2202 03:33:05,73 --> 03:33:11,81 a problem children. You think you can get along with another should revise for. 2203 03:33:12,94 --> 03:33:19,32 Sure and there are. Well well we can make it. That we make an effort. 2204 03:33:24,45 --> 03:33:31,15 And. Even though you've heard the testimony 2205 03:33:31,20 --> 03:33:35,63 even though you know of a good principle of the man among you all that tell us as 2206 03:33:35,64 --> 03:33:42,09 a professional do you fault anyone here. The question was do our body anyone 2207 03:33:42,10 --> 03:33:45,32 because MS morale is we were commanded me to be not 2208 03:33:45,33 --> 03:33:52,32 a new No I don't. I 2209 03:33:52,33 --> 03:33:58,70 don't agree with her for her saying that I should be no no no I don't agree now you 2210 03:33:58,71 --> 03:34:03,58 seem to be agreeing. To disagree is that correct. 2211 03:34:05,17 --> 03:34:12,03 And do you feel you're being professional about yes or. And she was paid 2212 03:34:12,16 --> 03:34:18,77 in you is as bad as some kind of these. That there's some ugly person. 2213 03:34:20,37 --> 03:34:26,60 That. Had you been two different people or you were just like when you have that 2214 03:34:26,61 --> 03:34:32,99 last preschool you're saying. You think you have something you chill. 2215 03:34:36,79 --> 03:34:43,49 You ask in the or the concert. Thank you. 2216 03:34:46,95 --> 03:34:51,10 What's the time. Or. 2217 03:35:00,91 --> 03:35:06,84 Are you. Going. To please are you. 2218 03:35:11,23 --> 03:35:17,19 Are you could you raise the question follow the majority of elementary schools and 2219 03:35:17,20 --> 03:35:24,03 I asked their counselors doing both counseling and testing you know crack. I 2220 03:35:24,36 --> 03:35:27,79 don't know if it's the majority but some schools have a test 2221 03:35:27,80 --> 03:35:31,03 a facilitator and his school counselors and my camp is 2222 03:35:31,36 --> 03:35:33,11 a one schools that does it but we have 2223 03:35:33,12 --> 03:35:36,62 a guide as to our other schools where counselors do the exact same duties you're 2224 03:35:36,63 --> 03:35:41,65 going practice and in fact you've been you've had all your testing duties removed 2225 03:35:41,66 --> 03:35:48,31 except for Star. Best not necessarily the case when I met with Mr Field and I 2226 03:35:48,32 --> 03:35:55,07 believe that was in November. I think twenty fourteen. She was that into MS were 2227 03:35:55,08 --> 03:35:59,20 around is that I'm only supposed to do star but also you see in the. 2228 03:36:01,53 --> 03:36:06,34 Exhibits that missed. This Pascual year we didn't also have 2229 03:36:06,35 --> 03:36:10,68 a guide to it and I was responsible for local testing as well and not 2230 03:36:10,97 --> 03:36:17,08 a total of one test wasn't no it was not it was. Which is 2231 03:36:17,09 --> 03:36:23,37 a big give in to third and sixth grade it was. The curriculum 2232 03:36:23,38 --> 03:36:26,61 assessments and Grace three through six it was 2233 03:36:27,08 --> 03:36:30,66 a guidance tack had already taken care of that first one you mentioned before she 2234 03:36:30,67 --> 03:36:35,64 Lot had it and she had not she was in the Foreign Office and that's one of the 2235 03:36:35,65 --> 03:36:39,69 things that I would like to say that most of the time she was in 2236 03:36:39,70 --> 03:36:46,35 a foreign office serving as back up to the secretary and the clerk and what. Your 2237 03:36:46,36 --> 03:36:51,35 action letter. Is that that's one thing I'd like to say all right I'm think I'm not 2238 03:36:51,36 --> 03:36:58,29 thinking like OK. Ask your next question so. There are 2239 03:36:58,30 --> 03:37:04,67 other elementary school counselors who have various counseling and. Yes Are any of 2240 03:37:04,68 --> 03:37:09,96 them up for non-renewal start you know. Not. And. 2241 03:37:12,38 --> 03:37:16,31 In April twenty fourth Jane when you said Miss Ralston you know about Speaker you 2242 03:37:16,31 --> 03:37:19,95 didn't know why that was because you didn't put it on the calendar like we're told 2243 03:37:20,55 --> 03:37:21,19 it was not 2244 03:37:21,20 --> 03:37:26,72 a pro it was October twenty four team I didn't have authorization to place the 2245 03:37:26,95 --> 03:37:33,06 event on they counted later I didn't have her mission and she was in all the emails 2246 03:37:33,06 --> 03:37:38,01 . So you didn't have authorization that everyone else had authorization things I'm 2247 03:37:38,10 --> 03:37:43,97 no longer is the is the halo calendar and only specific people I believe have 2248 03:37:43,98 --> 03:37:48,38 exists but I didn't I just recently got Agatha's I believe this school you missed 2249 03:37:48,39 --> 03:37:52,71 Murali told you then that your to put things on the calendar she told you to puts 2250 03:37:52,75 --> 03:37:53,19 things on 2251 03:37:53,20 --> 03:37:59,64 a calendar that you do not act at your. During that particular time I did have exes 2252 03:38:00,87 --> 03:38:03,52 when you've been helpful though not take a personal day on 2253 03:38:03,53 --> 03:38:10,28 a day when you struggle to speak or my daughter with you. And one of the 2254 03:38:10,29 --> 03:38:15,09 statements that you mentioned in your support this Hazel reading she says that she 2255 03:38:15,10 --> 03:38:16,60 has this knowledge as 2256 03:38:16,64 --> 03:38:23,50 a system. She is over the speech the pathologist that is that our campus 2257 03:38:24,27 --> 03:38:28,09 says she is the speech apologists assistant to insolvency. 2258 03:38:31,53 --> 03:38:32,71 But yes. 2259 03:38:39,19 --> 03:38:44,37 OK so. Whatever her position she's on your campus about once 2260 03:38:44,37 --> 03:38:47,37 a week correct. She's not 2261 03:38:47,39 --> 03:38:53,69 a she's not on your campus every day. She's there on where they are they sometimes 2262 03:38:54,01 --> 03:38:57,87 it may be more if they have hard to but is this she supervising 2263 03:38:58,18 --> 03:39:04,12 a speech pathologist assisted OK If she's not on campus more than once 2264 03:39:05,05 --> 03:39:10,32 and maybe more if if there is something that comes up I believe that correct. 2265 03:39:13,39 --> 03:39:18,14 And Mr Cheese mentioned that Nell fielding never told you that you shouldn't tell 2266 03:39:18,14 --> 03:39:21,94 students whether or not they need there or isn't that something that you should 2267 03:39:21,95 --> 03:39:22,70 know as 2268 03:39:22,71 --> 03:39:27,78 a certified counselor without another counselor having to tell you I never told 2269 03:39:27,80 --> 03:39:29,60 a student that they needed their P.T. 2270 03:39:29,92 --> 03:39:36,17 The conversations were. Based on what I felt 2271 03:39:37,13 --> 03:39:39,12 needed to be recommended to U.T.A. 2272 03:39:39,40 --> 03:39:41,72 And I would advise the teachers of that but I never told 2273 03:39:41,73 --> 03:39:44,53 a student OK But shouldn't you know whether or not 2274 03:39:44,54 --> 03:39:47,76 a student whether or not you can make that assessment as to whether 2275 03:39:47,77 --> 03:39:54,05 a student needs therapy. That was given to me or them are responsibilities to make 2276 03:39:54,06 --> 03:39:58,71 that. We have referral forms to U.T.A. 2277 03:39:58,75 --> 03:40:03,72 In on the counsellor so I was supposed to make the decision to get this missed 2278 03:40:03,73 --> 03:40:07,38 feeling that you shouldn't be making that there's an asst father 2279 03:40:07,39 --> 03:40:12,16 a student needs only therapy and no school counseling and no school counseling 2280 03:40:12,21 --> 03:40:16,07 correct that was your testimony earlier that Miss Fielding should have should have 2281 03:40:16,08 --> 03:40:19,45 notified somehow that out but whether or not you can tell 2282 03:40:19,46 --> 03:40:24,32 a student they need therapy. As 2283 03:40:24,33 --> 03:40:26,59 a professional will suffice it to say that as 2284 03:40:26,60 --> 03:40:30,08 a professional counsellor you should know what you're qualified to say and what 2285 03:40:30,09 --> 03:40:35,91 you're qualified to not say without another counselor telling you. As we write into 2286 03:40:35,92 --> 03:40:41,83 your question that there be I should know what I'm supposed to say but there be was 2287 03:40:41,84 --> 03:40:42,51 and I think to 2288 03:40:42,52 --> 03:40:49,07 a student it was said to the teacher. You just testified that you come to school 2289 03:40:49,08 --> 03:40:52,87 every day do you remember telling your council that yes I did to the 2290 03:40:52,88 --> 03:40:54,84 administration's twenty one. 2291 03:41:05,21 --> 03:41:09,20 So this is the new forum that the district implemented this year for requesting 2292 03:41:09,21 --> 03:41:15,30 personal time off just OK and on the very last page that's the first date where you 2293 03:41:15,31 --> 03:41:19,50 are asking for time on that first date was October eighth when you fifteen. 2294 03:41:23,57 --> 03:41:29,90 Yes And what makes the first page your most recent request for January twenty ninth 2295 03:41:30,03 --> 03:41:35,60 when you sixty Yes Are you aware that there's lead Lafon requests and there were 2296 03:41:35,61 --> 03:41:41,98 personal time off between October in January. I don't know the accurate amount of 2297 03:41:41,99 --> 03:41:46,88 time I know that some of these days I did come to work and what I stated previously 2298 03:41:47,60 --> 03:41:50,52 just to be on the record is that on my personal 2299 03:41:50,53 --> 03:41:57,36 a day. Or answer the part of my personal days and sometimes when I go to person 2300 03:41:57,37 --> 03:42:02,93 I still come to work OK So you're claiming you're coming to work all these days not 2301 03:42:02,94 --> 03:42:08,42 all of those days but some of these days I did like January twenty ninth I ran out 2302 03:42:08,43 --> 03:42:12,93 of days on January twenty eighth I believe so January twenty ninth twenty sixteen I 2303 03:42:12,94 --> 03:42:17,56 was at work you ran out of days. So you had to come to work because you'd run out 2304 03:42:17,57 --> 03:42:21,99 of it while I was letting you know that I didn't take it personally on that day if 2305 03:42:22,00 --> 03:42:27,02 you ran out of days you were taking personally cracked. I believe 2306 03:42:27,03 --> 03:42:32,72 a good ten days general of the. Evening she testified earlier that she comes to 2307 03:42:32,73 --> 03:42:39,37 school every day looking at the school. Looking at the school 2308 03:42:39,38 --> 03:42:45,53 district where the rule letter proposed. That I think this is just 2309 03:42:45,54 --> 03:42:50,44 cross-examination from previous testimony I agree with you that it is not one of 2310 03:42:50,45 --> 03:42:54,21 the grounds that she's been proposed for not well it could be failure to fulfill 2311 03:42:54,22 --> 03:42:59,89 duties or responsibilities be alright well at this point obvious reasons or it. 2312 03:42:59,96 --> 03:43:06,53 Well counsel an official to stop. You both to closing statements to tie it all 2313 03:43:06,54 --> 03:43:09,40 together but I think you only have 2314 03:43:09,41 --> 03:43:13,76 a few more minutes of questions so let's let's just finish up the question I'll 2315 03:43:13,77 --> 03:43:20,04 just nothing. All right what's the time. The one minute. 2316 03:43:21,28 --> 03:43:27,59 I have for your force or dish. Earlier bill the principle 2317 03:43:27,65 --> 03:43:34,55 testified. That at the outset of the fourteen fifteen four year perhaps. 2318 03:43:35,68 --> 03:43:42,36 Four year. Final thought that moment that's what you're saying remember 2319 03:43:42,59 --> 03:43:47,72 and. And here at this Q. 2320 03:43:47,73 --> 03:43:53,70 Process you will hear both sides what your side. Never spent time apologizing to 2321 03:43:53,71 --> 03:44:00,05 her. We would have meetings like she wanted I believe the fourteen fifteen school 2322 03:44:00,06 --> 03:44:04,30 year she would want to meet with me so that she knew what I was doing the whole 2323 03:44:04,31 --> 03:44:11,29 year and I know this past year the fourteen fifteen No fifteen 2324 03:44:11,30 --> 03:44:16,22 sixteen school year she wanted to know everything all my plans on my license she 2325 03:44:16,23 --> 03:44:19,90 wanted them to present it to the teachers before hand just in case they had 2326 03:44:19,91 --> 03:44:25,38 a question the referral process and everything so I did the powerpoint I gave her 2327 03:44:25,39 --> 03:44:28,71 everything that she requested and earlier. 2328 03:44:32,59 --> 03:44:37,52 In the building principal. Talking about. 2329 03:44:41,94 --> 03:44:44,08 What. We were somewhat. 2330 03:44:50,02 --> 03:44:54,84 What's your sign Well we were me and my assistant was waiting to meet with Mr 2331 03:44:54,85 --> 03:44:55,99 Highland and there was 2332 03:44:56,00 --> 03:45:01,42 a Pam me and Wendy Williams The new guide as to where this school year started our 2333 03:45:01,43 --> 03:45:07,59 guest after Thanksgiving. We were waiting to meet women to Holland a reference 2334 03:45:07,60 --> 03:45:11,23 a testing meeting and so as soon as we come to the office there was 2335 03:45:11,24 --> 03:45:15,57 a parent there was requested to speak to me so I go back to my office to speak to 2336 03:45:15,58 --> 03:45:19,54 the parent and then after speaking to the parent she wanted to speak to Mr Holland 2337 03:45:19,94 --> 03:45:24,18 so the parent is in the meeting with Mr Holland and we were there awaiting the 2338 03:45:24,19 --> 03:45:24,80 parent took 2339 03:45:24,84 --> 03:45:29,92 a while I don't know how many minutes there was and while we waited for Mr Holland 2340 03:45:29,93 --> 03:45:36,84 a student comes in and she was stumping in like. Like that like she like she was. 2341 03:45:37,65 --> 03:45:44,19 Man. And so she went to Mr Hollis office then that the secretary told her 2342 03:45:44,54 --> 03:45:47,21 that he's a was I want to have a seat so she had 2343 03:45:47,22 --> 03:45:53,86 a seat on the bits and then the secretary charge to say something to her I don't 2344 03:45:53,87 --> 03:45:59,17 remember what she said it the guy just tried to say something to her and then after 2345 03:45:59,47 --> 03:46:02,06 they said something to her asked that we have to give you 2346 03:46:02,07 --> 03:46:08,06 a few minutes to calm down. Or before 2347 03:46:08,99 --> 03:46:15,68 they. Agree you never understood don't give 2348 03:46:15,69 --> 03:46:18,85 a name OK. And give us 2349 03:46:18,86 --> 03:46:24,89 a date rocks which I believe that was February. First of twenty sixteen. 2350 03:46:28,52 --> 03:46:28,99 I mean she's got 2351 03:46:29,00 --> 03:46:35,19 a car for instruction if you just put the word student in brackets thank you that 2352 03:46:35,50 --> 03:46:37,51 we really mean towards John now. 2353 03:46:44,04 --> 03:46:49,69 That. You know that you know what. 2354 03:46:51,02 --> 03:46:57,96 Your leave. I mean yeah you. Know 2355 03:46:57,97 --> 03:47:00,90 you're. Going to stand there be 2356 03:47:00,92 --> 03:47:08,38 a reason for not you. Know sir. Has 2357 03:47:08,43 --> 03:47:14,05 counsel you stop this time. Is there any redirect or I crossed OK. 2358 03:47:16,33 --> 03:47:18,35 Are there any questions from the board that's what I'm. 2359 03:47:25,39 --> 03:47:32,16 All right. You may step down. This morning I 2360 03:47:32,17 --> 03:47:38,18 believe you have about forty seconds one minute do you have any further witnesses. 2361 03:47:41,74 --> 03:47:47,90 Wow OK can I. I'm sorry yes 2362 03:47:54,55 --> 03:47:54,89 she is. 2363 03:48:02,65 --> 03:48:02,74 The. 2364 03:48:10,79 --> 03:48:16,04 Question from this May is just for clarification I just want to know what time the 2365 03:48:16,05 --> 03:48:22,80 morning in now. All right 2366 03:48:23,39 --> 03:48:30,14 thank you. Mr T.'s I'm sorry the rest is all right and does the administration rest 2367 03:48:30,21 --> 03:48:33,85 through it all right. I'll give Let's take 2368 03:48:33,100 --> 03:48:38,26 a three minute break in which you guys can have time to repair your closing 2369 03:48:38,27 --> 03:48:40,44 statements how long will you need. 2370 03:48:47,29 --> 03:48:53,55 Five. Yeah yeah. They. 2371 03:48:55,66 --> 03:49:01,71 All right well. Let's decide because the ministration will have the ability to 2372 03:49:02,68 --> 03:49:08,55 begin and then to rebut at the end so how much time do you think you need Mr Ickes 2373 03:49:08,56 --> 03:49:14,21 because they have to give the same time to ministration which will go first. That 2374 03:49:15,15 --> 03:49:19,54 our board members are there any objections to the seven minutes for closing 2375 03:49:19,55 --> 03:49:23,46 argument all right then that's fine yes there's another first. 2376 03:49:27,03 --> 03:49:31,01 I just had one more where playing question on exactly when did the new guidance 2377 03:49:31,52 --> 03:49:32,22 start. 2378 03:49:39,74 --> 03:49:43,97 At. Fifty two. 2379 03:49:47,99 --> 03:49:53,63 And we'll know what the gap was from the previous day. Thank you. 2380 03:49:54,94 --> 03:50:01,83 Jim. And. I had already. And I would 2381 03:50:01,93 --> 03:50:08,82 think I mean it was the right of our staff. And 2382 03:50:08,93 --> 03:50:15,85 when they got in there it will get. You there and over 2383 03:50:16,28 --> 03:50:23,07 half of it if you please when I'm bored. Over and over 2384 03:50:23,08 --> 03:50:28,73 stuff. In this Jefferson do you have anything to add to that. 2385 03:50:29,97 --> 03:50:36,83 Assuming Mr T.'s is OK with that but. That's not why we have the program. 2386 03:50:39,31 --> 03:50:46,06 If. We're anywhere. If it were for him 2387 03:50:46,85 --> 03:50:53,66 very very every day. And he's 2388 03:50:53,67 --> 03:50:59,18 frank. It be to disagree on the phone. If. 2389 03:51:02,56 --> 03:51:08,96 Oversleep paid for every right to death. Thanks to the first. 2390 03:51:11,61 --> 03:51:18,59 Hearing none. Before we and again you spoke to me about 2391 03:51:18,63 --> 03:51:23,94 deliberation and you go on the record with. The deliberation that. 2392 03:51:25,99 --> 03:51:29,99 That. The earlier I requested. 2393 03:51:33,31 --> 03:51:39,13 His job or so on it the board to deliberate over said. That. 2394 03:51:40,59 --> 03:51:46,89 We've read all of that or how the board to deliberate those that are thank you 2395 03:51:47,61 --> 03:51:48,12 we will take 2396 03:51:48,13 --> 03:51:52,24 a three minute break at this time and give you the opportunity to prepare your 2397 03:51:52,25 --> 03:51:56,24 remarks so that you can make them concise. We're off the record. 2398 03:52:01,09 --> 03:52:05,24 Counsel we will now start closing arguments you're walking standing you're more 2399 03:52:05,25 --> 03:52:10,99 comfortable standing or you can speak see. An. 2400 03:52:12,12 --> 03:52:19,06 Activist. Thank you prayers and I 2401 03:52:19,07 --> 03:52:25,28 don't know. If you can do that one. For all mine ground 2402 03:52:26,05 --> 03:52:32,78 zero by thirty. Five cars. Following the 2403 03:52:32,79 --> 03:52:39,78 steps that we have done just that. You look at. That one will 2404 03:52:39,79 --> 03:52:46,15 see them provide full support for every single one. Number one point out an 2405 03:52:46,16 --> 03:52:52,33 observation before really. All you have to do is look at the time which great 2406 03:52:52,34 --> 03:52:58,31 summer all of the things all of. Us. Our time 2407 03:52:59,07 --> 03:53:05,92 at early just six conference on. Eight LIVE FROM from her twenty 2408 03:53:05,93 --> 03:53:11,82 thirteen fourteen and sort them all the rest all kind. Which later bridged into 2409 03:53:11,83 --> 03:53:18,63 growth rate growth. And how is it by the way arbitrary and capricious this for the 2410 03:53:18,64 --> 03:53:25,44 record and. Boy are gone were new all. This documentation how 2411 03:53:25,45 --> 03:53:31,73 can you argue about free. Just came off failing to complete one point seven 2412 03:53:32,28 --> 03:53:36,98 three weeks into the next for them let's not make this now Michael Ward this is 2413 03:53:36,99 --> 03:53:42,15 a great opportunity for someone's knowledge of matter we don't but lawyers on both 2414 03:53:42,20 --> 03:53:47,47 fronts if you don't and so to say that at this for some how arbitrary 2415 03:53:47,48 --> 03:53:54,10 a ratio has just come lately out of line. When you look at the DOC patients and 2416 03:53:54,11 --> 03:54:00,92 what their own are actually that have been documented on the page number 2417 03:54:00,93 --> 03:54:06,94 two and three failure to do so responsibilities and incompetent your vision for 2418 03:54:06,95 --> 03:54:12,68 four months of duty is all you have to do is look at all of the tests or the big 2419 03:54:12,69 --> 03:54:17,82 thing has been amiss jumpers that I don't have time she doesn't have time for 2420 03:54:17,83 --> 03:54:24,28 guidance lessons she does not time for one on those not time. And it turned out 2421 03:54:24,70 --> 03:54:31,32 all that meeting was regulars ironically and even though nothing has been used 2422 03:54:31,58 --> 03:54:36,67 as an excuse for why there's the documentation she's there she doesn't even have 2423 03:54:36,68 --> 03:54:42,60 time for class so how is that that all of her beauty that one point for all of her 2424 03:54:42,61 --> 03:54:49,13 testing was forty or moot except for Star You heard testimony that picks place 2425 03:54:49,62 --> 03:54:55,62 people maybe so I have to ask yourself why are we continuing on from 2426 03:54:57,70 --> 03:55:04,33 why are we can attenuate think from. The. User her beauty is never 2427 03:55:04,34 --> 03:55:07,58 counseling duties that are not happening even when removing 2428 03:55:07,59 --> 03:55:11,49 a customer at the last thing which by the way 2429 03:55:11,57 --> 03:55:16,48 a good majority of all in one are doing or still not able to get around. 2430 03:55:18,91 --> 03:55:22,62 Yes Jefferson doesn't deal with students like during her lunch time but she won't 2431 03:55:22,63 --> 03:55:24,67 sign junk deal with it into 2432 03:55:24,87 --> 03:55:30,66 a problem that's for that's what you signed up that's what this teacher as bad 2433 03:55:30,67 --> 03:55:35,47 class and. Well regardless shouldn't we still help 2434 03:55:35,48 --> 03:55:40,27 a student who needs help regardless of because regardless of the bolts the faulty 2435 03:55:40,28 --> 03:55:44,43 run their response will be so I don't think counselor so come in and assist 2436 03:55:44,44 --> 03:55:50,84 a student that. You know we and we just see constant passing of the buck I sent him 2437 03:55:50,85 --> 03:55:56,55 to you to the next thing if you are you can engage in Solve harm let's have it on 2438 03:55:56,56 --> 03:56:01,57 that path this is unacceptable you want to talk about students who are high rents 2439 03:56:02,05 --> 03:56:03,51 it is unacceptable to say to 2440 03:56:03,52 --> 03:56:08,66 a student iris that I don't have time I'm at capacity that's not my area of 2441 03:56:08,67 --> 03:56:10,03 expertise you find 2442 03:56:10,04 --> 03:56:15,83 a way to help that student and I was your primary role insubordination failure to 2443 03:56:15,84 --> 03:56:21,99 meet standards of professional conduct while. Plenty of examples examples of that 2444 03:56:22,00 --> 03:56:27,27 dating all the way back to two thousand and eight uncle howling this uncle you know 2445 03:56:27,32 --> 03:56:31,69 I just awful out my mama told me that my mom told me that I should keep my mind 2446 03:56:32,16 --> 03:56:38,97 these are not things they revise or the telly or Mr the other principal now all jet 2447 03:56:38,98 --> 03:56:44,18 engine the principal shouldn't you know how are you phrase things to me these are 2448 03:56:44,19 --> 03:56:48,50 not things that we say and the smallest alone I'm tired of you you have 2449 03:56:48,51 --> 03:56:53,92 a problem you're qualified to do by job so the OK that I would like that state 2450 03:56:54,45 --> 03:57:01,34 something along those why do I have to report my apps. And. That none of 2451 03:57:01,35 --> 03:57:06,37 that is anything that was ever saying to our supervisors and it's just very 2452 03:57:06,38 --> 03:57:09,14 definition of order and it's not just 2453 03:57:09,15 --> 03:57:13,65 a missed more or less worse this Jefferson. Rule or 2454 03:57:14,27 --> 03:57:20,37 a personality thing Flash this is actually every single supervisor that Tad is 2455 03:57:20,38 --> 03:57:21,96 making these comments H.R. 2456 03:57:21,97 --> 03:57:28,46 People are made on their principle Brennen holiness make. Each other make one of us 2457 03:57:28,47 --> 03:57:32,89 say that while this is morality first efforts and various that's not the case 2458 03:57:32,94 --> 03:57:38,96 whatsoever so if you look for the documentation I told twenty one people like us 2459 03:57:39,52 --> 03:57:45,33 from that of our secretary all the people we have with you words that claim things 2460 03:57:45,40 --> 03:57:50,81 about most especially if they all have something to gain by lying about her are 2461 03:57:50,82 --> 03:57:56,43 they all in some allusion. Or are they really concerned about students and whether 2462 03:57:56,44 --> 03:58:03,38 they're getting the service and that's why you have to ask so I'm going to serve 2463 03:58:03,39 --> 03:58:09,53 time for bottle but if you look at the evidence at all of those nine point ample 2464 03:58:09,54 --> 03:58:14,61 evidence again we only had one by fifty one percent of the Avid very low board and 2465 03:58:14,62 --> 03:58:17,95 we have done taking your one minute for 2466 03:58:17,96 --> 03:58:22,37 a very. I want to start. 2467 03:58:35,34 --> 03:58:35,72 Pam in 2468 03:58:35,72 --> 03:58:46,93 a. Very odd. I 2469 03:58:46,94 --> 03:58:52,08 actually agree with several things now that they will. You 2470 03:58:54,42 --> 03:58:59,94 know one disputed that none you know terminations is up on 2471 03:59:03,46 --> 03:59:10,09 so yeah. Yeah this is very sure that is Pam Jefferson there 2472 03:59:12,12 --> 03:59:17,89 but one we don't want in this room ham. 2473 03:59:19,14 --> 03:59:25,99 Or in re small five dollars Michael for East Texas. Struggling single mother 2474 03:59:26,53 --> 03:59:33,51 still flooding Hanson. We all walk here 2475 03:59:33,51 --> 03:59:39,16 from. This need India for all. 2476 03:59:40,34 --> 03:59:45,41 We buy I don't see how these two didn't get along given the way. 2477 03:59:48,75 --> 03:59:55,61 The real question is what people will look at the apple. And this one has done 2478 03:59:55,62 --> 04:00:01,11 a wonderful Now what I have said and what she said not. 2479 04:00:03,79 --> 04:00:10,39 She said they rude their way ever bought all other brands affidavit 2480 04:00:10,74 --> 04:00:17,18 in well this number eight all say Carol well the post 2481 04:00:18,07 --> 04:00:23,84 is like the same word without them all for them 2482 04:00:25,04 --> 04:00:31,38 and they all work for the man that they all are and all with the different and then 2483 04:00:31,39 --> 04:00:31,83 open to 2484 04:00:31,84 --> 04:00:38,77 a deal with Bill and go cheap Council says 2485 04:00:38,78 --> 04:00:39,95 look at this Rick 2486 04:00:39,99 --> 04:00:46,59 a good number seven documentation reviews well known talk about your all 2487 04:00:46,60 --> 04:00:53,52 along here and you talk about it now well look at. I am an expert 2488 04:00:53,53 --> 04:00:59,67 on the kitchen see mine and signed by the building principal February eleventh two 2489 04:00:59,68 --> 04:01:05,70 thousand. Where let's look at the real me the real substance. 2490 04:01:09,79 --> 04:01:16,45 Thirteen fourteen school year per school year my climb for now. Just get and I 2491 04:01:16,50 --> 04:01:23,41 suspect and she wasn't until this summer that no growth plan for 2492 04:01:25,53 --> 04:01:32,16 a decent body fourteen fifteen school year second school year 2493 04:01:33,37 --> 04:01:39,88 that she's placed on it will. And it will she successfully pump. 2494 04:01:42,23 --> 04:01:42,98 But in 2495 04:01:43,11 --> 04:01:49,84 a fourteen fifteen school here view of fifty that she will be feeling over here. 2496 04:01:51,20 --> 04:01:56,80 And she's not perfect and she was Paul Calhoun proved that she worked at it and she 2497 04:01:56,81 --> 04:02:02,80 show improvement and evaluation the very last evaluation this school district issue 2498 04:02:03,25 --> 04:02:09,29 the fourteen fifteen school year you left without the fifteenth says. That made 2499 04:02:09,29 --> 04:02:14,93 improvement that's what you will. So so but you live two thousand fifteen we're 2500 04:02:14,95 --> 04:02:21,72 being told that in the two most important document that school this year and 2501 04:02:21,74 --> 04:02:27,61 evaluation and growth plan this you do it all came not great but all the way. 2502 04:02:32,23 --> 04:02:38,90 Then in this school on September warm until further war you lap 2503 04:02:40,17 --> 04:02:45,73 that's not many months especially to be judged especially 2504 04:02:47,13 --> 04:02:52,94 that in the fourteen fifteen school year that based upon their objective 2505 04:02:52,95 --> 04:02:59,94 documentation and these people that came with you and you all came to us that she 2506 04:02:59,98 --> 04:03:06,79 had as you know pate. But but. But but 2507 04:03:06,80 --> 04:03:09,67 Mr Morality I put my client on 2508 04:03:09,68 --> 04:03:15,86 a growth plan where you can work and told her she had 2509 04:03:15,90 --> 04:03:22,60 a girl or boy. That that he had their complete it to excess fully or not. 2510 04:03:24,41 --> 04:03:28,69 And you know. In life something I've learned 2511 04:03:28,70 --> 04:03:35,04 a long time ago that I don't know what they were in. 2512 04:03:38,48 --> 04:03:45,11 He'd read her oh how solicited you would be Barbara for her pretty 2513 04:03:45,60 --> 04:03:50,40 not say what you mean mean what you said and give my client and your family twenty 2514 04:03:50,44 --> 04:03:55,27 quid to make it or not but. For before you left. 2515 04:03:57,22 --> 04:04:03,37 She recommended not only will. The rule of you that you know this is most will dish 2516 04:04:03,41 --> 04:04:10,16 for. That Happen For them it is not unusual you're not don't believe 2517 04:04:10,68 --> 04:04:16,72 that your lease did continue working for war and March April May Who are you know 2518 04:04:19,06 --> 04:04:22,67 now if you can show it through play and. I made 2519 04:04:22,68 --> 04:04:29,32 a mistake. But not that now with my car might find 2520 04:04:29,76 --> 04:04:36,71 the mystic you were on leave that her boy left the judge jury executioner 2521 04:04:36,72 --> 04:04:43,51 she died she's gone she didn't make so why are we even after all the more 2522 04:04:43,60 --> 04:04:49,78 open to her position and the rapper managed your fifteen sixteen school year that 2523 04:04:49,79 --> 04:04:54,64 not only were all negative right oh yeah about fifteen sixteen but she really the 2524 04:04:54,65 --> 04:05:01,35 only reason she's ever fired and. So all we want 2525 04:05:02,81 --> 04:05:09,51 and we're not asking Mom just treat of why you would treat. Anyone in your 2526 04:05:09,52 --> 04:05:13,27 life a little bit. I think if you live 2527 04:05:13,28 --> 04:05:19,01 a little fair. That you'll agree that she's not 2528 04:05:20,93 --> 04:05:27,37 and she may not have worked as hard and. That 2529 04:05:27,57 --> 04:05:30,60 don't fire she's 2530 04:05:30,61 --> 04:05:35,53 a warrior who tried to recruit at 2531 04:05:35,54 --> 04:05:40,95 a different share hand banks you dodo. 2532 04:05:43,44 --> 04:05:46,55 Thank. You. 2533 04:05:50,46 --> 04:05:52,82 So much for. One minute program. 2534 04:05:59,59 --> 04:06:06,53 Thank you. But I just want to read or you know counsel uses the 2535 04:06:06,54 --> 04:06:12,73 word story OK if you're not great. How is that doing OK How in any world are we 2536 04:06:12,74 --> 04:06:19,38 think that someone who got reprimanded for it properly and and fifteen flips alone 2537 04:06:19,42 --> 04:06:24,34 or about at the time she's been on the news who's just plain old one growth plan 2538 04:06:24,48 --> 04:06:30,54 and she's on the next one so the proposition that holds whether three months off 2539 04:06:30,55 --> 04:06:36,96 a revelation how the revelation hurt or who has the how to revelation for you and 2540 04:06:36,97 --> 04:06:41,82 she hasn't quite had one pick let's just say that waiting for her revelation 2541 04:06:41,93 --> 04:06:48,68 outweigh the student needs or student needs is just ridiculous we don't we 2542 04:06:48,69 --> 04:06:53,06 don't wait for someone you can fight and do their job at the expense of students 2543 04:06:53,23 --> 04:06:59,96 who are in. Thank you. Board 2544 04:06:59,97 --> 04:07:06,53 members that are there any questions. All right 2545 04:07:06,88 --> 04:07:12,22 Mr Ortiz but we did not put into the record but there was an agreement and I just 2546 04:07:12,23 --> 04:07:17,18 want to put it on the record to extend the hearing to the state is that correct you 2547 04:07:17,19 --> 04:07:24,14 recall that that we waived the education code rule. All right thank you and 2548 04:07:24,22 --> 04:07:30,00 yes. Let me also remember that yes thank you. And this year for. 2549 04:07:31,10 --> 04:07:35,72 Members of the school was here personally through this blog required. 2550 04:07:38,64 --> 04:07:45,35 Or to be here. And the parties agree to. 2551 04:07:47,99 --> 04:07:54,82 Schedule this here. We are and just for the record because it is 2552 04:07:54,83 --> 04:08:01,41 ten twenty two at this time. Does the board have at least 2553 04:08:01,45 --> 04:08:07,36 until. Well if it takes an hour and forty five minutes. 2554 04:08:08,62 --> 04:08:13,32 We would be into the next day I'm assuming that you will permit the board to be 2555 04:08:13,33 --> 04:08:18,63 able to complete its deliberations tonight or early in the morning as it may be 2556 04:08:19,04 --> 04:08:23,97 before it comes out with its ruling in other words would you extend its opportunity 2557 04:08:23,98 --> 04:08:30,32 to decide this case until. June twenty ninth if necessary. 2558 04:08:31,75 --> 04:08:38,50 Yes and. I 2559 04:08:38,51 --> 04:08:43,34 think we're well. I think so too but I just wanted to make sure on the record that 2560 04:08:43,35 --> 04:08:50,09 you weren't objecting All right thank you. The board having heard the 2561 04:08:50,10 --> 04:08:54,01 evidence may take any action and enter such order as it deems lawful and 2562 04:08:54,02 --> 04:08:57,90 appropriate if we believe that any or all of the reasons given by the 2563 04:08:57,91 --> 04:08:59,15 administration are supported by 2564 04:08:59,16 --> 04:09:03,41 a preponderance of the evidence presented at these reasons and that these reasons 2565 04:09:03,42 --> 04:09:07,36 are sufficient for non-renewal the board may order rule of the employees contract 2566 04:09:07,90 --> 04:09:13,19 if so the employment will terminate at the end of the contract term if the board 2567 04:09:13,20 --> 04:09:17,06 believes that some action other than nominal is appropriate the board may order. 2568 04:09:18,35 --> 04:09:20,37 May So order this is not 2569 04:09:20,41 --> 04:09:24,61 a proceeding to fire the employee or break the existing contract neither is it 2570 04:09:24,62 --> 04:09:26,87 a criminal proceeding requiring proof beyond 2571 04:09:26,88 --> 04:09:30,13 a reasonable doubt rather any action must be supported by 2572 04:09:30,14 --> 04:09:32,13 a preponderance of the evidence which is 2573 04:09:32,14 --> 04:09:36,56 a lesser burden of proof if any of the administration's reasons are established by 2574 04:09:36,57 --> 04:09:41,08 the preponderance of the evidence the board may decide not to renew the employee's 2575 04:09:41,09 --> 04:09:44,77 contract the board will not deliberate and discuss the evidence presented 2576 04:09:45,17 --> 04:09:48,68 throughout its discussions the board will consider only the specific reasons for 2577 04:09:48,69 --> 04:09:53,71 the non-renewal and the evidence presented at this hearing the board will consider 2578 04:09:53,77 --> 04:09:57,91 will not consider rumors or other statements that it may have heard outside this 2579 04:09:57,92 --> 04:10:03,06 hearing room. And since there was no objection to the board they were burning 2580 04:10:03,07 --> 04:10:06,48 closed session then the board will now go into 2581 04:10:06,49 --> 04:10:10,19 a closed meeting under Texas Government Code Sections five fifty one of seven one 2582 04:10:10,20 --> 04:10:15,82 and five fifty one point zero seven for the time is ten twenty seven P.M. 2583 04:10:15,82 --> 04:10:22,58 . Thank you. We are now back in session 2584 04:10:22,99 --> 04:10:24,06 twelve forty A.M. 2585 04:10:24,10 --> 04:10:30,83 On twenty two sixty. No action was taken in the closed meeting 2586 04:10:31,09 --> 04:10:35,83 I want to thank the attorneys for their presentations and professional conduct 2587 04:10:36,11 --> 04:10:43,00 during this hearing both sides represented their clients zealously you 2588 04:10:43,01 --> 04:10:46,98 have a motion regarding this case present song to bring 2589 04:10:46,99 --> 04:10:53,54 a marchin to non renew the twenty six sixteen term contract 2590 04:10:54,02 --> 04:11:00,73 Jefferson. Motion by Mr hips in the 2591 04:11:00,74 --> 04:11:07,10 second Dr Rice. If you choose to 2592 04:11:07,85 --> 04:11:10,100 in the affirmative raise your right hand at this time. 2593 04:11:18,09 --> 04:11:25,07 All trustees in the if. The city of this board is final one is not subject to 2594 04:11:25,08 --> 04:11:29,81 rehearing the employer will receive written notice of our decision within fifteen 2595 04:11:30,13 --> 04:11:31,22 days the employer has 2596 04:11:31,23 --> 04:11:35,85 a right to appeal to the mission of Education Review of the board's action within 2597 04:11:35,86 --> 04:11:42,34 the time lotsa stablished and statute this hearing is concluded the time is twelve 2598 04:11:42,47 --> 04:11:44,16 forty one A.M. Thank.