we try to stop, not only infiltration, but exfiltration, where sewage would actually leak out of the pipe. the head is larger, so it breaks away the old pipe and allows the new pipe to come in behind it. griffin: we are saving about 67% of the cost of actually digging old pipe up. clyne: it's less invasive than an open-cut process, where you would open the whole trench up and replace the pipe. it's called "trenchless" technology, so... that's as good as it gets. griffin: we don't have to dig up everyone's yard, and we refurbish that pipe at a much-reduced cost. another technique, the cured-in-place lining. it's equivalent to putting a large sock through the existing sewer. we form a new pipe inside the old pipe, and therefore we seal up all of the defects that allow rainwater to come in. hunter: we repair

then there were people who were skilled at exfiltration and finally there are people who are skilled at monetization. most groups, most gangs don't have that kind of really specific division of labor. the other thing that should be pointed out is that the case we announced in july was really a continuation of the albert gonzalez case. albert gonzalez case was an amazing case for number of reasons and andy worked on it. i was still in high school, i think. no, no. [laughter] it was amazing for one reason -- it was an amazing case that resulted in the longest sentence in cyber history. albert gonzalez is serving 20 years right now. it was amazing for one reason , that albert gonzalez was caught initially. he flipped and began cooperating at a very high level and at the same time that he was cooperating at a high-level on the one hand he was hacking at an extremely high level on the other hand simultaneously. he is quite a character. he was caught again and his arrest really spurred on this heartland case which was still producing results as of july of this year. and he can probably giv

they did not exfiltration any data. the systems would not necessarily see brand-new code and immediate exfiltration and look to see, what has changed? what took place just now that allowed this excellent ration? they waited. if you are desperate for cash you are not going to take that time. the difference between these guys and almost anybody else without they were willing to wait. they were willing to be patient. secondly they have this division of labor where they had specific people who were skilled at the initial hack. then there were people who were skilled exfiltration. finally, there are people who are skilled at monetization. most groups and gains do not have that kind of really specific division of labor. the other thing that really should be pointed out is that the case we announced in july was really a continuation of the albert gonzalez case. it is amazing case for a number of reasons. in the actually worked on it. -- and the actually -- andy actually worked on it. i was in high school. [laughter] it was an

and look to see once the change, what took place just now that allowed the exfiltration? so they waited. if you are desperate for cash and only looking for a quick hit, you're not going to take that time. the first difference between these guys and almost anybody else was that they're willing to wait, they're willing to be patient. second, they had this division of labor where they had specific people who were skilled at the initial hack. then there were people who were skilled at exfiltration and finally there are people who are skilled at monetization. most groups, most gangs don't have that kind of really specific division of labor. the other thing that should be pointed out is that the case we announced in july was really a continuation of the albert gonzalez case. albert gonzalez case was an amazing case for a number of reasons and andy worked on it. i was still in high school, i think. [laughter] it was amazing for one reason -- it was an amazing case that resulted in the longest sentence in cyber history. albert gonzalez is serving 20 years right now. it was amazin

yourself, you show you get in, get out, demonstrate exfiltrate data. cybercriminals have become more professional. that's a trend we're trying to deal with. we'll continue to. i s gotten away from the -- don't know if there was an group, but there's more dedication to getting paid than there used to be. that's a good capitalist. talking about the landscape rom the criminal profession is changing. the russian government came out ecently and stated if you're a cybercriminal and hacking against other countries, you should not travel outside of russia, right. countries cially to america has treaties. he law enforcement around the world is working together and i think the same is going for the operations urity around the world. so i changed my operations based upon the regulatory requirements of certain countries and of where the data i want to steal the tes in and i track arrests of bad guys around the world and i understand how they are arrested and so i can how law enforcement is doing what they do around the world. that's an important part. they're stud

to took place just now allow the exfiltration. desperate for cash and only looking for a quick it, you're not going to take that time. the first difference between these guys and almost everybody else is they were willing to and be patient. second, they had this -- this -- division of labor where skilled in ple were the initial hack. skilled e were people at exfiltration. hen finally skilled at montization. most groups, most gangs, don't kind of really specific division of labor. the other thing that really should be pointed out is that the case that we announced in really a continuation case. albert gonzalez the albert gonzalez case is a number of reasons and andy actually worked on it. high school, i think -- no. but -- but it was -- it was an mazing case that resulted in the longest sentence in cyberhistory, albert gonzalez is 20 years right now. for one- he was amazing albert gonzalez was caught initially. he flipped. cooperating at a high level. at the same time he was cooperating at a high level on hacking at , he was extrem

three years ago where somebody apparently from russia hacked the georgia ministry and try to exfiltrate the document. and the computer emergency response team in georgia found out something was fishy and they actually put a pdf fire rigged had malware embedded and something fancy like nato agreement. so the russian hacker apparently stepped to the trap and hacked him and took a video of the guy and picture with his web cam. it's a guy sitting there and his wife in -- >> if anybody hasn't seen the photograph. go home tonight and dig it up. it's exactly what you think it would be. [laughter] but it's an interesting point. it didn't solve the attribution problem. they didn't know who it was. they had no idea who of it. >> okay. chad, back in your days in dhs let's say company x got attacked. they call you up and say, i know my government. they are not going attack back on my behalf. because they don't want to escalate to a general cyber war. do you have any problem if we think we know who attacked us if we blow up their servers? >> well, it's a fair question and we -- when we got asked tha

three years ago where somebody apparently from russia hacked the georgia ministry and try to exfiltrate the document. and the computer emergency response team in georgia found out something was fishy and they actually put a pdf fire rigged had malware embedded and something fancy like nato agreement. so the russian hacker apparently stepped to the trap and hacked him and took a video of the guy and picture with his web cam. it's a guy sitting there and his wife in -- >> if anybody hasn't seen the photograph. go home tonight and dig it up. it's exactly what you think it would be. [laughter] but it's an interesting point. it didn't solve the attribution problem. they didn't know who it was. they had no idea who of it. >> okay. chad, back in your days in dhs let's say company x got attacked. they call you up and say, i know my government. they are not going attack back on my behalf. because they don't want to escalate to a general cyber war. do you have any problem if we think we know who attacked us if we blow up their servers? >> well, it's a fair question and we -- when we got asked tha

he left believing that she had planned this exfiltration route for him and that she will come and get him but i think it becomes clear to him she might not know where he is. and i think that's the sense more than ever now we're in dante's nine circles of hell and i think he's descending those circles of hell and he -- he's not sure if carrie has abandoned him, whether anybody knows where he is. >> you need to leave. go out there. i need to get out of here. >> where? where you think you go? >> out. >> out? out where? >> to the next place. i've been taken from one place to the next, from here to there. >> you were nearly killed. >> i can't stay here. >> why? >> it's -- >> it's not good enough. >> no, i didn't mean that. >> not good for enough for you. huh? why? because of that thief? he upset you? >> i appreciate all you've done for me, stock? but i'm better now. >> what does that mean? >> it means i can make it on my own. i just need to get to the next place. >> there's no next place! >> what? there has to be! >> no. >> does carrie know i'm here? does she? >> no one can know. >> we hav

outward threats against foreign adversaries, particularly when most cybersecurity threats are about data exfiltration. it will really be fascinating to see how a former pentagon official at senior levels is able to negotiate this with the pentagon. >> fascinating stuff. thanks for coming in. we appreciate it. >>> coming up on "the lead," feeding your brain. a new study looks at the power of sleep in fighting off diseases like alzheimer's and dementia. we'll explain. >>> next, the future of drone technology is here. we're using one for this very shot. coming up next on "the lead." t: help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, where experts watch over all drilling activity twenty-four-seven. and we're sharing what we've learned, so we can all produce energy more safely. our commitment has never been stronger. was a truly amazing day.ey, without angie's list, i don't know if we coul

oftentimes when we speak about china and chinese entities, infiltrating targets in the united and exfiltrating information. there are a couple of things that come to mind here. first, they cannot lose it entirely. they adopt have to send somebody in to do that. that's an interesting historic issue. also, i think it's a fair assumption in china we have both scenarios at the same time hire -- [inaudible] engaged in operation intelligence. and companies where individuals take a initiative, essentially a market for stolen ip, intellectual property. we have at the same time entrepreneurial and -- [inaudible] this is a very confusing situation, because, for instance, a lot of discussion in washington, d.c., right now about hacking back. not sitting back and being, you know, robbed of valuable property, intent yule property. but try fog go after the attackers. now it makes a difference who you are going after. whether you're going after a small individual or after an organized state entity. it's difficult to go in to more detail in the debate because so much is -- is not in the public domain, and i s

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what is hard to understand is why he was why he was not exfiltrated when the operation went down? >> i think it was brilliant on two ways. it is ethically dubious for them to be pirating doctors. >> we're talking about the doctor who helped set up the raid. >> he had no idea he was involved with the bin laden operation. he had no way to know. he thought he was being recruited to vaccinate people in a particular neighborhood and he is working for the cia. they never succeeded in getting dna from the bin laden compound. >> you wrote last week that he is still in prison in pakistan. >> he is not a hero. jonathan pollard is still in the united states prison. it does not matter if friendly countries are spying, they are still spies. the pakistanis had every right to lock up someone who was spying for someone else. the reason i think it is ethically dubious to put it mildly is in pakistan people are beingio workers are routinely assassinated because of the view that they work for the cia. this is a common urban legend. we added to this. it is true. the cia has employed people to do vacc

first of all, there's data exfiltrations. for years, companies and as for -- government operatives in china come and take information, take intellectual capital, take pa tend -- neil: done that with our intelligence. >> creating an empire for themselves. neil: it's tick for tack. if you don't see your point, earlier in the break, you know, attack us, easily, we eventually find out who did it, we attack back. how do you respond to a hack attack? >> particularly, today, because the technology evolves almost minute-by-minute, and now you can spoof your address of where you are coming from, and there's a million different cutouts you can use to make sure you mask where you are coming from. the ns enu.s. are good at finding you, but, again, it's not a clear case of oh, this came from this person sitting here. neil: if you're not ashamed to say you're the syria electronic army, yao not coming from ireland. what's the purpose there? >> that's publicity. we can reach you across your ocean. neil: attack us, lob missiles at us, but we'