whether it is a direct connection, whether you can find some sort of e-mail or text, is almost sort of -- it is important, don't get me wrong. but it is irrelevant to the understanding that this is part of the global jihad that isis, al qaeda, muslim brotherhood and others are calling on. we have an obligation to confront that. i think in a much more serious fashion than some have been calling for. >> two things happened after 9/11, targets were hardened -- the other was the balance between national security and civil liberties. do we need more hardening of targets, and do we need, as they do in france, more aggressive policing and intelligence gathering domestically? >> my feeling is that it is a combination of three things. the hardening of targets is the most expensive for society. the two most effective are as you mentioned, having an adequate intelligence capability to find out what type of activity is brewing in your community, and that includes everything from all this high-tech intelligence to simply just good work and understanding who is preaching what? if there is someone pr

so, whether it's necessary or desirable i don't agree with my colleague.. i think the question of who the establishments and the use of the new warming of the stones in the basement of a business to me is a this is a concern of me given the fact that i know we don't have any near enough staff to monitor the new technology and i think from some of the testimony that those who support mr. keyes business -- i just want to say i think it's wonderful when a family supported by the neighborhood will start a business -- i want nothing but success for you as i expect that the business will be approved by this body is a was by the planning commission -- i just want to say pink about your babies and the targeting by multibillion dollar industries of his future. the normalization of smoking vaporizing and e cigarettes by your opening the business. i just want you to think about that and to reference rutland gordon from the hillside church choir respect so much for his work empowering people from the ingleside and -- neighborhood, i will just say for equity and social

whether the person is properly licensed. all of that has nothing to do with a broken tail light and yet that's permitted right? >> would it be permitted if he did it after he wrote the ticket? >> at that point in time, no. >> is that right? >> he can only do that before he writes the ticket? >> if -- >> what if he's not giving a ticket. he's just going to give him a warning? he says to them, you shouldn't have done that and you went a little bit over the line. be careful next time. by the way let me see your drivers license. that would be bad? >> yes, your honor. >> that twould be because that would be part of the stop. all of those questions would be -- once the stop is finished then he should be allowed to go no matter what the question was. >> is it your argument that as soon as all of the steps that must be taken in connection with the traffic stop are completed, then the stop must end or is it that nothing more can be done after the ticket is issued? in other words is it the length of time or is it the formal act of giv

we do not know whether or not those are the only hostages killed, whether, in fact, the two is the correct number. >> we've been staying away from numbers on that because obviously that's the last thing we want to be true in this situation but it has wound up being accurate that hostages didn't make it out of there alive. the information is still soft. it was a very violent assault inside. s.w.a.t. team mabs huembers wer. hostages lost their lives. details soft there. >> again, if you're just joining us. a good time to reset. it's a little after noon in the united states on the east coast of the united states, just after 6:00 p.m. here. darkness has now come. the two hostage standoffs, which we have been broadcasting about for the last four or five hours, they are both over. the three hostage takers dead. the two kouachi, cherif and saad, they have been killed. the hostage they had taken in their final assault, their final terrorist incident, that hostage has been freed and apparently is unharmed, is okay. the hostagetaker in the kosher supermarket, holding in the kosher supermarket with w

at this time we're only taking public comment on whether the board should convene as a committee as a whole. >> i hope you do and i hope it's a thor rediscussion. thank you. >> whose marching down the streets of the city >> seeing no other members of the public. now for the rest of the board, if we can take a roll call vote. >> on item 63, supervisor wiener. i didn't hear that. >> i. >> avalos. >> i. >> breed . >> i. >> campos. >> i. >> cohen. >> i. >> farrell. >> i. >> kim. >> i. >> supervisor mar. >> i. >> supervisor tang. >> i. >> there are 9 is. >> this motion is now approved unanimously and now with can go to items 46 and 47. >> items 46 and 47 comprise the board of supervisors sitting as a whole. we're here to consider the motion to the retirement board for a four year term ending february 20, 2019. >> thank youp. at this time i'd like to invite supervisor avalos to provide comment. >> thank you madam president. colleagues, i've been troubled by this appointment mostly because i don't feel like i have enough information to understand whether approving the appointment of wendy jo

that were raised here are whether there is any value to them. in addition, i would like to just please urge you to approve the permit and to deny the appeal and to maintain san francisco's families here. also, just that i really don't see neighbors being affected adversely by this. it is a decision as an adult to smoke or not. since there is no smoke and know but i really don't see how it would disturb the surrounding neighborhood. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. i'm not. happy vaporizing is a beneficial to the community. the owner of happy vaporizing him not a lot of support to create community bins to gather people and give them a lot of fun. happy vaporizing [inaudible] to the church which will eventually goes to the kids. father christmas. furthermore easy that's what hope was to create a free smoking [inaudible] in which cleaner street [inaudible] so we would like to see happy beeping in our community because it is beneficial. although there may school and churches in the area. however, there is no support

we don't know whether or not there is an additional a compass. it was a 26-year-old female accomplice. we don't know her whereabouts are whether or not she was that second hostage taker that police have confirmed. what they did say about the second hostage taker they could not confirm the gender identity of the person. >> have we heard any word from officials about whether the attack at the grocery store and what happened earlier this week at the offices of charlie hebdo whether those two incidents are linked? >> what we know is that the attackers, the criminals, the terrorists in both cases had at some point crossed paths in their lives. we don't know whether or not they were in operational control. the hostage taker in this situation was demanding the release of the two brothers towards charles de gaulle. that is the connection we know. >> haas nichols, i will ask you to stand by. joining us on the phone with his reaction and analysis is the appointee from george w. bush as the first assistant secretary for infrastructure protection when the u.

it's whether not we can sit as a committee as all. there will be

it's unclear whether or not the suspects that of course appear to be holed up there, whether or not they had explosives or whether or not the police itself is using some sort of stun or smoke grenades as part of a siege at some operation from the movement we're seeing around here. there's more cars moving more police officers moving around as well. it could be that some sort of siege has started but it's impossible to confirm that from our position here. however if i were to describe the events we just heard, we heard one or two shots that were fired and several what appeared to be large and somewhat dampened detonations. they sound like they were coming from the inside of some sort of buildings. they didn't appear to be coming from out in the open. of course we do know these two people there holed up in that printing center. as i said about 400 yards away from where i am. we also know the police over the past couple of hours has been evacuating the schools around here. this area has been on lockdown, the schools have been on lockdown. they've been bussing children out of here to try to

whether a vendor has had bad reviews against them or whether a potential baby-sitter had criminal things. this is something that people could request to be search results and that is something very anti-consumerism adam does this represent a shift in 2014 in thinking with google from a stance that used to say we indeck the internet. if you have a problem with that consult the internet to the stance that says there is a lot of tricky things to balance here . we may have kwbls with the privately activated process where a person is to come to google it will and fill out of a form and a link will go down between the person and the information. but this is a new reality and there is a lot more stuff online i think that the reality is and one of the reasons why the court case in europe is has been heavily dissected in some ways it hinges on if google is more like a data processor that the court ruled that it is or whether it is more like a newspaper or journalistic organization which we are showing some kind of priority and reality is that google search results do both. indeck the web and ther

9 process was complete and fair i'll say that answering whether the four were lumped together close or a clear break out might be general enough for a discussions rather than - and we coup with 4 we should know how that came up if staff were saying we want the top 2 when i don't know how many players i get that but 4 we think that's prudent whatever you think i'm not taking our power away from you running that shop i have to be able to defend how e you arrived there. >> can i make - >> you're asking a process question to understand your reference to get them to explain the process as we can talk about the past we are going to focus on the questions i just want to know how we arrived at four if that's a magic number because not knowing a number of four i think it's fair to show how arrived at the number. >> i can try to help you understand our process some factors that went into recommending those 4 one was certainly the size of their staff okay. >> the depth and breath of their resources the quality and the breath depth of their investment research the expansiveness of their allocat

the question then is whether legislative sidewalk done to city standards, whether that department ered in terms of their approval of that sidewalk permit and at this point i have nothing to say that it ered. so whether i'm backing into a technicality to take a position or not, i don't see any other basis for me to go on this. >> so that the other commissioners and the audience understands, when you said air and -- >> interpretation, yeah. >> exactly. >> i would tend to concur with your response. >> it's too bad because i think the configuration of the temporary walkway access point makes a lot more sense, not as it allows them to be much more creative in dealing with landscaping and things around it, but i don't think that's going to fly given the consent requirements. >> you look like you're poised to say something. >> i'm just thinking. >> shall i make a motion? i'm going to move to deny the appeal on the basis that the sidewalk permit as issued was cocompliance. >> there's a motion on the floor from commissioner fung to up hold this permit on the basis it is code compliant. on that

there's a market regardless whether there's a government mandate. i think this is where innovators and automakers will go. whether or not you like savings, i do. and $8,000 a year in gas savings is nothing to sniff at. i'm a texas girl. i like big trucks. in d.c. you can't park a truck. you learn more efficient vehicles is actually the way developers are going and the way we design cities as well. businesses like google and microsoft are also having that electric parking spaces. they're pushing this innovation. this is where the world is going. >> neil, i'm all for this. i'm in total agreement with what you just said. my only point is: let's get rid of the subsidies. let's let these technologies compete with each other without subsidies. if that's the case, i'm all for electric cars. neil: we'll watch closely. thank you. theif the check was too small, why the heck did she rush to cash it and so fast? >> i'm maria bartiromo reporting from the jpmorgan health care conference in san francisco, the ceos of myelin will join me to talk about the booming h

again, if you want to comment on whether we should sit as a community as a whole. >> i think it's very important that the board as a whole take a look at what's happening to the -- i would say systemic problems going on at the pension board in san francisco. as everyone knows, pensions are a serious issue for working people and the 35,000 city employees, whether or not they're going to have a pension. what we learned from 2008 is that the hedge funds and speculators are using these hedge funds to put our money in play, threatening our future as a right to live from our pension so i think this is a broader issue than just the city employees and even public workers. private pensions are threat and as well. we have to ask why has mayor ed lee appointed a speculator to the pension board in san francisco. city workers should ask that question. why is the mayor appointing a speculator of hedge funds who sells hedge funds to the pension board to the city and county of san francisco. especially when a state agency said they're no longer going to invest in hedge funds. so why are we going in th

or not responding with strong city government services or 9-1-1 or 311 or whether it is introducing and constantly supporting our community basis organization that are the heart of the service provider and 3 of them are going to be granted today with some keen support from google as a result of this philanthropic focus but also in strog recognition that homelessness is something that is not going away no one solution e.r. 10 year program that is a solution to it is an ongoing thing to do to build enough affordable housing and until we deal where of affordability we're willing to work hard a lot of the people in the room standing behind me and in the audience are part of the service to the homelessness populations on after a an everyday basis kin street and hampton have been at forefront for years i know with sherry run and jeff hearsay been gratified of the announcement but thought support our city family has seen to give and also in the private sector that as we try to give them support we also have told them we'll try to fill every gap and the private sector has stepped you big ti

you can make a decision whether or not it's worth borrowing that money. there would be a law that require that information be available and the student decides whether they want to go forward or not. the second one is we would make income-based repayment methods for people. you could always pay more and we worked on this with mark warner. but there's an alternative to student loans that would benefit graduate students. that's what the bulk of student loan debt is. basically, you can take your undergrad resume and the work you have done and go to an investment group who agrees to pay for your group and they are investing in you. you pay them a percentage of your earnings for the next 10 years after you graduate. it's like an investment fund, you are betting on an individual. >> what kind of people would invest? >> there would be a profit involved. >> the student has to go in and sell themselves. >> here is where i graduated from -- stanford with a 4.0 and i'm going to go to medical school and in great these -- and invent these great drugs. if you pay for m

and now people are all waiting to see whether the situation has been resolved whether it's ongoing. and what this means for any possible hostages who may be in that industrial complex. >> and also adding to the drama and the danger of the situation we heard reports that the gunman who is holding the hostages in the supermarket was demanding the release of the two brothers in the printing press. >> clarissa? i'm sorry gayle. there is an alleged connection that appears to be between the gunman and holding hostages and that supermarket in paris and between these two gunmen. they're believed to be part of this recruitment cell essentially that way back in 2005 was trying to recruit jihadis to go to iraq to fight american forces there. i don't know if you can hear i'm hearing another helicopter just flying overhead. we've been hearing quite a few elements in the last 10 15 minutes, particularly, as the operation here to try to neutralize the two kouachi brothers has escalated. >> all right, clarissa ward thank you. we want to go back and show you those live pictures just outside on the e

whether it should or not it does. what i have also said quite clearly is there are some of these detines, in particular this kind of contract over a protracted period that simply should not be released. we're going to come to a point where we've got dozens of thinks individuals who have to be detained and we have to figure that out. >> but you would not release them? >> no, of course not. >> if you can't release them and the u.s. congress says you can't bring them to this country -- >> isn't that a fair question for our elected leaders? >> well, doesn't that mean you have to keep gitmo open? >> well that's a policy decision, but there will be dozens of these individuals that have to be detained. our elected officials need to find a way to detain them. >>> iran you say that a diplomatic solution is preferable but if the talks were to fall apart, can we contain a nuclear iran, or would we have to launch a military strike? and if so, could we take out the nuclear program in iran momentarily? >> if the diplomacy fails and

in the professional services, whether they be construction workers, whether providing -- you know, they're local delis, especially along third street that is losing business because of the construction. this is a great opportunity to contract with some of the local restaurants to provide some of the service of foods or whatever opportunities they have, so that's something we look at when it comes before us. we always ask staff about it and we get reports about how local hire and opportunities that local people can actually from what is happening in san francisco. >> sure. >> the same goes to any art pieces that you may be want to put in this arena or even in the halls of the office buildings. we have incredible artists that you see many of their works, whether they're on back drops for carlo santana to all great artists that we have -- especially in the southeast section so we have talked -- we maybe doing something to show case some of the artists that are local that could line the halls of the office building or line the halls of this beautiful stadium. >> great. thanks for the comments

that is not a criteria if somebody will pay whether you have 3% a 10%, it is about whether you want to have a home that you own purposes uss the criteria with substantial studies that suggest that confirm homeownership counseling makes people better borrowers. that is one of the compensating factors and if all else fails you have to have private mortgage insurance to back we'll loan. these are not the loans that have no documentation for a reset after 90 days or three years. these are not risky loans and we have made that assessment based on research not politics. we have made that assessment and i stand behind this decision that is why we have the opportunity to you talk about the compensating factors may have put around this to make sure that you will understand my philosophy has not changed. somebody cannot pay a loan they should not be given the loan for golden it would be irresponsible for us to say that we should make loans to those people or fannie or freddie should be backing those clotheshorse. >> i think i heard you clearly. [laughter] i have time for a quick question with th

whether it's public school or charters or alternative schools or online schools, whether it's private schools, i want parents to be empowered when the schools are under performing to be empowered to make the right decision. in charleston county we have a partnership working right now. it's going to raise the outcomes of the kids trapped in underperforming areas and do the public/private partnership. i believe they will have a brighter future and take advantage of the american dream. >> is there a predominant reason why public schools are failing certain children? >> i think there's a number. there's no question about that. i think part of the reason is that the child that shows up on day one is something underprepared or unprepared for what they are looking at. what i hope to do is take a serious look at how do we improve the outcome of education by focusing on getting the parents and the children more engaged, more involved and integrated into the system. i think we'll improve the outcomes and the economyies as well. >> the second part of your agenda is? >> focuses on more energy exp

>> whether it is enforceable he band and whether operators can get out by offering specialized services or claiming reasonable network management so there are a lot of questions but those good things of principles should be protected. >> and remember you saw them in the background. >> to respond directly currently the universal service fund is located on section 254. it isn't enough for us to get there and we want the assurance that the commission can continue up going in the process. >> in response i think that you are correct in terms of the assurances that are there there then it comes with but then it comes with everything else and that is what we are concerned about in the communities if you go back to the conversation of the regulation etc. the communities we represent, they are not even at the beginning of the finish line and we have a lot more work to do and we need to be cautious about the regulatory action given the fact that there are 30 million people that do not have access and i think the fact that we have had this conversation continues to disadvantage the people we repre

>> commissioners tim frye department staff whether the buildings one or 3 the same previous criteria applies if the commission feels it sob category one instead of that put in our resolution to the board of supervisors. >> commissioner wolfram. >> does not one limit the size of designation one to 3 and that's; correct it is limited to a one whereas or whereas the commission has t the 75 percent provision is in the code like the requirement. >> thank you commissioners any other questions for now. >> is the sponsor. >> the sponsor has a presentation? oh i do >> okay. >> good afternoon novice to be last on the agenda (laughter) i'm ruth an architect and planner and principle at page and turn i led the team 69 earth historians that basis in our report two analyses ago we worked to understand the significant of ethnic street and how to preserve the significance 9 staff report provided a historic importance of the building or building we call the direct building the staff supports based on research and new information this building constructed in 19 if meets the car for cargo 3rd it has ou

we don't know whether it will be the ecb buying the debt, whether it will be up to national central banks but what we have heard from many analysts is that you need wholesale quantitative easing. you need to reinforce mario draghi's consistent claim that he will stand behind the euro no matter what it takes. just 500 billion euros being spent, just investment grade, is that showing as wholehearted a view that this is doing whatever it would take to support the euro? the suit does say that it would be modeling as much as 500 billion euros of investment grade assets. this is at a meeting two days ago according to a person who attended. the presentations did focus on government debt urges is. no decision was taken. quantitative easing, we are on the cusp of it. still, no decision taken. there was a letter by mario draghi saying you are going to reassess what monetary stimulus has achieved and whether full-blown quantitative easing would be necessary. he says that treatment of junk rated debt such as greek bonds have not been addressed in this presentation. perhaps that is why the euro is rea

whether there's a compelling interest and whether there's any other means to achieve it. be that's not the right -- if that's not the right way to balance religious objections to generally-applicable lays, then then -- laws, then rfra should be changed or abolished. senator patty murray, i think, was the lead sponsor of the get your boss out of my business act that didn't go anywhere. but that's the way that rfra works. or david's problem, perhaps is with obamacare itself or with the way that the the president of health and human services interpreted it -- that the department of health and human services interpreted it or in the way that the department of justice acted in not extending certain accommodations to for-profit businesses that objected, but only certain kind of nonprofits. at each of those stages the writing of obamacare its implementation in terms of its regulations and the accommodations given by the justice department, each of those steps the government could have made this case go away. but, no. more important than providing employees or women generally wit

and then finally whether the language is okay. so that is what motivated this. there are the three issues, one as i said, the limits, second is the third party reporting requirements and third is the disclaimer requirements. and with respect to the first, it's fairly -- this is hopefully the most straight forward for everyone. there's two previsions that, by virtue of a case law, this commission is no longer enforcing. for the sake of clarity and at the commission's direction, we've just proposed repeal of those two. one is an aggregate limit, and that's comparable limit struck down in the hutching case -- i'm sorry, i have it reversed. the second is the aggregate limit and the first is the limit to third party packs that's making expenditures with respect to city elections. because they have been struck down or likely to be struck down, we're proposing for the commission's recommendation that we repeal those previsions. speaker: one point 11482 is the one based on mac huching that has been struck down. speaker: i mistake. speaker: 11414 c is the packs that hasn

we are acquire whether an air ambulance is in precaution or whether it's in response to whether people have been injured. clearly in this kind of situation, ambulances are the sort of emergency services one would expect. we heard from a local member of the parliament in the area that in fact police have now established contact with the suspects. the two men holed up in that warehouse. this is a keep moment now in this whole operation. you have french special units of the police. we have an external perimeter where journalists are held back in the town. people have been evacuated from schools, people have been told to get home stay away from the windows. there's a tight parameter of the police who are special forces taxes. who are around the warehouse. those key figures are experienced negotiators. probably focussing on one individual at a time these negotiators will expect to work. contact is important at this statement. it's some kind of communication some channel opened. we'll assume it's a telephone line. obviously the police teams guarantee the security of innocent civilians trappe

toward the end she exacerbated all her comments on whether she voted for obama. but he did a very good job -- he made obama and obamacare, which has been a success in kentucky he made them key issues in the race. >> senator mcconnell is 72 and alison grimes was 35. without overstating it, mitch mcconnell is not a matinee idol. she is a smart, attractive -- what does it say in the age of television that he not only be turbot beat her badly? >> she was never able to define herself. people who are watching this race -- it was not exactly clear what she stood for, what she believed. she didn't come across as an authentic candidate. she was very cautious, very disciplined, and tried hard to distance yourself from the president and make the race all about attacking mcconnell. everything was about mcconnell being in washington for too long, the guardian of gridlock all the things mcconnell didn't like about mcconnell -- she was going far on that. but if you do that, you can probably get 40%-45% -- but how do you get that last 6% to push you over the top? >> she was neve

information before you present at the full board i would image i'm a little bit - >> we're confirming whether or not it was seconded by the lady if she was not at the meeting it wasn't to engage at a level one so the information we're having that verified she was not in attendance. >> again, i actually there was an original meeting at our board it was a while ago i remembered standing up and saying i'd like to go to level one but really like to move a step forward and find out the environmental foundations are doing if they're not doing it we need to understand why if we have a $17 billion foundation the biggest in the world we need to know why a that's why i advocate to understand why it didn't maple we demanded take a step forward but i'm not against doing the process and moving forward in the process. >> i appreciate that i do want to make sure that the work that the sf has already done towards deinvestment can continue and you're able to take some leadership to a greater stent so folks on the commission have taken as far especially with your expertise that you have and the relationship i

basically asking themselves the question of where -- whether it's reasonable to go to synagogue, whether it's reasonable to wear yarmulke on the street whether it's reasonable to have your kids go to jewish school. it's basically everything all day, the tiny decisions you take. basically you have to question yourself whether it's a reasonable thing to do. >> general, this doesn't appear to be a singular religious war. but many states feel like they are being targeted by the acts of these few. so you know what kind of assurances should every important -- whether it's religious symbol or any place that sends the message of safety should instead be guarded by police? >> well most importantly and they are basing their -- basing their response on the threat assessment. and as the threat changes and as terrorists assess whether or not they're going attack different targets, again, they'll have french and belgian forces have to move capabilities their personnel to different areas. and it's -- it's despite the fact, not based on religious preference. not based on whether it's important for the i

hopefully there can be evidence presented on the floor about whether there is a viable project and whether anybody is -- >> they haven't withdrawn the application. >> the market will determine that. with the low oil prices, it's not good for the steel industry. u.s. steel in pittsburgh announced eliminating 400, 500 jobs in ohio and texas because the market is not there for the pipe that goes to ground to explore for this. the market will -- nobody is withdrawing. i haven't heard anything at this point. >> again from the evidence i have seen here and the reports, there's nobody that wants to pay to build this pipeline we are talking about. i don't know -- >> then we could all win. >> i don't know why we're talking about it. maybe it's a little deja vu. it had been talked about when it was $110 a barrel. perhaps it was more relevant. >> there's no taxpayer money going into this. this is private who will decide whether they will spend it or not. >> is there any private people that actually want to build this pipeline? again, for this to be a topic of serious debate it would be nice to have e

i'm not sure whether that's us rolling the same picture again or whether that was a second explanation. ok, it was just the one explosion that we he recorded there. we're showing it to you for a second time. the suggestion is that the hostages that were held there in the porte de vincennes supermarket have been freed and that the hostage taker has been "neutralized." >> yeah, what it seems what it looks like is that there has ban coordinated assault by french police or two different sites separated by many kilometers. one of them taking place here where i'm standing in the east of paris, porte de vincennes another one happening way to the north of paris where the two suspects in the charlie hebdo shootings have been holed up. as i was listening to the gunfire coming from the north of paris in my ear piece listening to you and our correspondents talking about that. the police here were moving people up the streets making that cordon, that security cordon a little bit wider, a little bit further out. some 10 minutes after that, there were four very loud explosions seemed to be flash bang

it's whether not we can sit as a committee as all. there will be an opportunity. >> okay. >> okay, thank you. >> elect the board to set a committee as a whole because we do need [inaudible] please sit on the board. i think it would be a great idea. thank you >> thank you. other any other members of the public would like to give public testimony at this time? seeing none, public testimony is close. is there any common or is a motion from the floor to move this item forward and said the committee as a whole? so, we can take item 35 without objection. without objection we will take this item without objection to sit as a committee is open without objection, this item is approved for us to sit as a committee as all. [gavel]. mdm. clerk, can you please call the item >> [reading] items 26 to 29 comprise the supervisor sitting as a committee is over public hearing to consider a resolution declaring the results of a special election that was approved by the qualified electorate and directing the recording of the notice of the special tax lien

whether there's compelling interest and whether there's any other means to achieve it. if that is not the right way to balance religious objections, to generally d then rfra should be changed or abolished. senator patty murray was the lead sponsor of get your boss out of my business act that didn't go anywhere. that's the way that rfra works. or david's problem perhaps is with obamacare itself. or with the way that the department of health and human services internal red it in requiring this mandate, or in the way that the department of justice acted in not extending certain accommodations to for-profit businesses that objected but only certain kind of nonprofits. at each of those stages the writing of obamacare, its implementation and cooperations given -- accommodation given by the justice department each step the government could hey made this case goway but no. more important than providing employees or women general live with free contraceptives or general at the equality -- more important than all of that is forcing people to bend to the will of what the governmen

david, do you have a sense as to whether that is true? his words, not very violent and probably horizontal? >> i don't know if i would go that far because there is no way to figure out what happened on the aircraft from one set of seats. but if you look at the structure underneath the seat, that is where it is extremely telling because it will tell you whether it was a straight impact straight down or whether if the seat is crooked, going forward or forward impact. there is a lot of information that can be gained from the structure of the seat how it was attached if the pins that hold the seat into the rail were ruptured and that will tell you whether it went forward or back. when you talk about landing in a horizontal position air france did that as well. but what happened there is that it landed on the back of the aircraft and most of the impact was absorbed by the back of the aircraft. so throughout the aircraft not knowing where the seats came from whether it was the back or the front. >> you can't tell. >> it could be significantly f

. >> the trial then essentially becomes about whether what nathan dunlap did is deserving of the death penalty. >> in fact, before trial, nathan's defense team made an offer to the state. nathan would plead guilty in exchange for a life sentence. >> it comes down to what's the appropriate sentence that we were seeking? is this appropriate to plead this to a life in prison? and it was not. >> at trial, nathan's lawyers called almost no witnesses and offered little defense for his actions. it took the jury only 3 1/2 hours to come to a verdict. >> we, the jury, find the defendant, nathan dunlap, guilty of murder in the first degree. >> and during sentencing, the jury delivered a clear message. giving nathan four death sentences. one for each victim. >> it has to be all 12 jurors saying i personally agree with a death sentence. if one person says no, then it's a life sentence. >> though he'd been impassive during trial, at the hearing where the judge officially imposed the death sentence, nathan responded directly to remarks by the victims' family members. >> man, i don't give a [ bleep ]

that's a reality that the governing majority may have to deal with whether they like it or not, or whether the politics are right or not. >> i know they go to bed hoping that's the case, but now you have a constituency for this law that arguebly you didn't have when it passed. >> i think you may. but if the supreme court acts, the president will have to sit down with congress to figure out a way to transition and make this work or not. >> and obviously that con sit wentcy stayed home last fall. >> you bet. >> they didn't come out--the healthcare, whoever likes obamacare, clearly they did not speak this november. >> gentlemen, thanks for coming by. great to talk to you all. that brings us to the end of this edition of inside story. thanks for being with us. the program may be over for now, but the conversation continues. we want to hear what you think about today's issues or any day's program. log on to our facebook page. send us your thoughts on twitter twitter. or follow me @ray suarez news. we'll see you for the next inside story in washington. i'm ray suarez. >>> on "america tonight" -

whether you're talking about west africa and whether you're talking about central africa chad mali north africa iraq and syria, france now is the vanguard. it's seen by all militants of al qaeda variety whether you're talking about isis or the islamic state or al qaeda in the arabian peninsula as basically as the lead state. in fact let me go further to say france today is an enemy, public enemy number one. bigger and greater than the united states. this tells you a great deal about changing and shifting roles and that's yet focus on france this is not the first attack, as you know there have been several attacks on french territory in the last few months. the second point to come back to the macro and the micropoint. we have some portfolio of the -- now of the young, diluted muslim man who live in the heart of europe and even they're born in britain in france and germany and disadvantaged susceptible to recruitment, believe in utopia they live on the fringe of society. they basically fall under the sway of charismatic recruiters and again, the cultural element and there is a sense aroun

>> well the question is whether we can push back isis or whether we're starting out trying to contain them and prevent them from taking more territory. i mean at least in the initial phase, they were on a real roll taking over large amounts of territory, both in iraq and in syria. we seem to have stopped that advance. the question is whether we can push them back. the striking thing is isis has no friends in the middle east. i believe it was "the economist" had this great chart where they said, who's friends and who's enemies with whom? every regime, regimes we like regimes we don't like really does not want isis to take off in the middle east. and so i think one of the issues will be what will our -- not only our allies but what will our adversaries do? it's odd, we or the same side as the iranians, for example in this fight. we are each doing pieces of the military effort. >> can other muslims in the middle east prevail over this strange -- >> that's part of the problem was this whole isis story. this is as much an interreligious or extra religious fight as it is a political one. th