michael mccall is the richest member of congress because he married a person who is going to inherit the clear channel fortune. his wife's father founded clear channel, michael mccall, married his wife and because of that and their shared assets, he is worth an estimated half bill i don't think dollars. more than anybody else in congress. does that affect his views about who has earned their way and who hasn't earned their way? and this guy like fred upton, he just had delivered to his office michigan i, 91 bags of apples grown by a local farmer. the local farmer pleading with fred upton, to please support immigration reform because he sees it as key to his farm. if you're making a prediction about that, it may help you toe no about fred upton that he is the inheriter of the whirlpool portion. his grandfather founded whirlpool, you know like washer dries and stuff. that's kind of the biographical for for lots and lots of members of congress. members of congress you like, and members of congress you don't like. jim sensening brenner turned up a real story about whether there's any hop

congressman michael mccall, thank you for joining us this morning. i appreciate your input. >> thank you. >>> now, on to the next subject -- remember when the president said this -- >> this is the most transparent administration in history. >> our next guest is going to disagree with. that she wrote a letter to the state department asking to interview survivors of the attack that killed ambassador chris stephens and three other americans in benghazi years ago. the administration refused saying in part because the survivors are potential witnesses in the terrorism prosecution and that disclosure of their identities account put their lives at increased risk. and hhs secretary, kathleen sebelius, is refusing to answer questions including specifically the number of people who have enrolled in new hampshire's health care exchange so far. joining me from her home state of new hampshire, senator kelly ayotte. thank you so much, senator, for joining us. >> good morning, candy. thank you. >> good morning. there is a -- a movement by senator lindsey graham to

. >> your colleague, congressman michael mccall of texas, revealed that there are -- and chair of the house homeland security committee, revealed an estimated 500 fraudulent websites posing as healthcare.gov. on top of everything else, and we didn't hear the chief technology officer for the white house say we've got a secure website, it may be broken but we've got a secure website that will protect all of your personal information. >> well, they can't say that because it's not true. the fact of the matter is -- >> it hasn't stopped them in other instances. >> no, you're absolutely right. but we're going to see more and more problems with this and it's going to be a new problem. first it was the web design and the web not functioning, and it's still not. then it was if you like what you have, you can keep it. people recognize that was not a true statement. soon it will be the cost, the costs are going to be huge and skyrocketing. the data breaches that are going to occur, the identity theft that's going to occur, this is a terrible law. the problem is, lou, is that it's doing real harm

i do think, you know, canada has given us lord michaels, martin short, carter, bruce mccall, very blunt, all these whitty comic minds and i think this is the ultimate snl sketch on steroids. who could make it up? he looks great, too. >> should we care -- should we care about whether any senior politician in the modern age opens up and says yes, i took, you know, cocaine a year ago or yes, i had an affair or whatever it may be. does any of that really matter do you think? even to younger people? are they anywhere as judge mental as parents or grandparents will be about this? >> that's a good question. hard to general wise but my guess is they are not and if the politician delivers the goods that are desired by his or her conknit went wents people can put up with a lot. certainly we've seen in american politics, look at mark sanford. people come back from scandals and be accepted by voters in conservative parts of the country. so i think that, you know, the days of the kind of easy morals are ending and, you know, when you look back it's been however many years, not quite 20 years since t