there is a chasm between the masses of the middle east and the governments of the middle east. many of these governments have been terribly discredited, delegitimized by their close relations with britain and france. this became the presence for us, we want to work collaborative of the leaders of these countries if they don't represent the people what about the relationship to the united states and the people of these countries is something that over the decades we never successfully resolved. in conclusion i would be remiss if i didn't mention to you one of our favorite figures in the roosevelt period, one of roosevelt's chief antagonists who was not a member of the axis alliance, charles vidal. he created for roosevelt and winston churchill traffic headaches in the middle east. in 1941, the british and the free french decided to jointly invade syria and lebanon and overthrow the regime there and their arab collaborators. when we went in in july '41, the americans said it would be nice to make a pledge prior to this that syria and lebanon will be free. the anglo free french in

compare the usa to the middle east usa is the superpower . third world country sure better that them that doesn't make you good. you know i think just because you're not perfect doesn't mean that criticism kompany leveled i wasn't trying to save you know the united states was a perfect country but to say that because the united states doesn't have a perfect civil liberties record and therefore shouldn't be involved in the sort of discussion seems a little silly to me ok michael do you want to jump in go ahead. sure sure i from what i've seen from my recent travels is that and i've had many she asked me why do you get support or why do you all still support speaking of the united states the saudis and not not the iranians you have absolutely nothing in common and and indeed what i've seen is that the. christians themselves and particularly in lebanon have have lost support for the united states over a long period of time going back to the bush administration ever since ever since they began to veer toward the there was a least a faction of the

dominance in the middle east. something increasingly driven since the end of the cold war by america's unique capability to project the enormous amounts of conventional military force into the middle east. no one else, not even chided can project this kind of military force into the middle east today or four years to come. this has given the united states extraordinary economic and political influence in the middle east and we forced the military dominance in other key parts of the world. but our failures in afghanistan and iraq in particular have underscored and especially for the middle east republics, the limits of what american military might can accomplish. we argue these failures of the middle east policy are not just idiosyncratic generated products of the george to be bush said ministration but as we described in our book fees stemming from a much deeper source that cut through both democratic and republican did frustration than something we describe as the united states each essentially giving in to the p

east here what are the perceptions of the united states in the middle east and what are those what's backing up those perceptions because washington in the western world just can't leave that region alone well what we saw was a dramatic falloff in support for the united states for support for the american president support for aspects of american foreign policy during the bush era and it's never recovered. there was a lot of talk when obama was elected in two thousand and eight of an obama bounce and you certainly saw it in places like europe where support for united states skyrocketed but you did not see that in the middle east there has been no obama bounce it continues to be a problem for the united states and if you ask people in the region about specific aspects of american foreign policy we've talked about syria already if you talk about drone strikes for example massive opposition to that. and so there is this sense that the united states acts in a unilateral way especially in that region. and it's a very. difficult challenge for the united states and it's not at all clear whe

east has two thirds of the world's oil the middle east is geo strategically important because it's it separates asia africa europe its resource rich and the united states as a principal part the priority of its foreign policy for more than fifty years has been that dominate this rich region it supports all the gulf monarchies saudi arabia kuwait. got to our brain it supports israel as a proxy force in order to discipline or or stop the arab revolution from reclaiming oil resources united states interests or the interests of empire the interests of domination the interests of chevron and exxon mobil so the american people have to know when you talk about coal charism or the threats to security us foreign policy in the middle east which is generating so much hatred is really the foreign policy of the biggest oil companies which really just want to exploit this region hard truths brian but they are truths indeed obama also mention that it's unfair to blame the west for what's happening in egypt right now the political instability but really is that fair to say after the u.s. did prop up

east has two thirds of the world's oil the middle east is geo strategically important because it's it separates asia africa europe its resource rich and the united states as a principal part the priority of its foreign policy for more than fifty years has been to dominate this oil rich region it supports all the gulf monarchies saudi arabia kuwait. got are about to rain it supports israel as a proxy force in order to discipline or or stop the arab revolution from reclaiming oil resources united states interests or the interests of empire the interests of domination the interests of chevron and exxon mobil so the american people have to know when you talk about terrorism or the threats to security us foreign policy in the middle east which is generating so much hatred is really the foreign policy of the biggest oil companies which really just want to exploit this region hard truths brian but they are truths indeed obama also mention that it's unfair to blame the west for what's happening in egypt right now the political instability but really is that fair to say after the us did prop u

there's last area in russia in the middle east to be relevant in the middle east. they have to be careful. i mean, you know, the united states -- i keep bringing this up, but great example on so many level the, but the united states is stuck with assad too long, and, you know, we incurred the wrath of the population. when do you cut ties with a leader in the country, and you go down with theship, and i know russians are having discussions in the kremlin, you know, about this, how long do we stay with this guy? this has become, you know, an international test of power between the united states and russia, and russia is asserting itself riding this nationalist response against the u.s. influence that's been going on for about, you know, a decade now. i don't see it changing any time soon. you'll know that the regime is falling when the russians change their tune. >> david, it's been really fascinating, and i read both your books, and the most interesting metaphor was he was not meant to be the godfather, but it was his brother, and his brother, of course, had a blood

east to intercept all sorts of internet traffic in the middle east and then cost that on to western intelligence agencies basically what it does is taps into internet cables that run into the the sea extracts that they set and then passes it to the h.q. here in the u.k. and to the n.s.a. in the states is particularly valuable according to the independent because it can access cables that apos between submarines to very sensitive data and it's part of the much dogshit project which is designed to use to intercept global digital communications all in the world e-mails text messages that everything there are over the whole a million miles of cable internet cable all the facts going against that running under the sea all over the world in a very old world instead i think that even though we. think will face the countries every time you send e-mails when you want to work and before they have to go through these cables. the cables that make landfall at various points and we show you a map of how the cables lie you can see that a lot of them make landfall in the u.k. those transatlantic on

and an expert on the middle east thank you so much mr ettinger for joining us here on r.t. well the campaign to abolish the peace treaty that exists between the two countries is getting momentum and in fact has already gathered three hundred thousand signatures so do you think there is a danger of that actually happening and if so what would be the implications. well certainly the recent events in the middle east as a whole in egypt in particular shed light on the very tenuous very provisional nature of any agreement in the middle east way there are among muslims among the arabs and certainly a bit when the arabs or the muslims on one hand and what they call the infidel the infidel christian or the inn for the jews and therefore any agreement signed by israel should be regarded forty days it's an agreement which is very limited in time just like the regimes in the arab world which are very provisional very short term so are their policies in general and so are their policies towards israel and therefore any change for the worse as far as peace with israel should not overwhe

i'd see across the middle east embassies close. it wasn't a big story because the media didn't have the reach in those days. you have a great reach now. >> gary, gary, media reach or not, it's never been this many. do we now how specific it is because i'm hearing tonight right now the information is that the major plot is under way, that there is a terrorist team to carry out the plot, it is selected and is in place. do we have any way of knowing whether or not this is a human source telling this or whether it's an electronic intercept? >> well, the intelligent community is not going the let out exactly the nature of their source, but if they have discovered it, they'll have people on the ground working with local liaison services to try to do this. remember also when we close embassies like this, it's not only to protect the americans but the population who's standing out in line. >> i'm going to tell you. that frustrates me. gary, gary, it frustrates me. we want to protect them? we don't protect our own members -- >> but you have

when we talk about middle east supplies, we should ask ourselves, how much is the middle east actually dependent on those supplies? about 2 million barrels of our daily consumed oil, only 2 million of those are coming from the middle east. that is about 10% coming from the middle east. we are not greatly dependent on it, but it still influences the global price of oil. we do need to keep that in mind we talk about filling our gas tank. growing concern down on the floor. we are waiting to see what the next step is. these markets on pins and needles. gold, by the way, down right now. oil, certainly still spiking. connell: we will stay on that story. sandra smith out in chicago. toyota taking a stance. positioning itself as a leader of hybrid technology. do not forget that we have coolio coming on. businessman, rapper, cook and a big youtube talent. coolio. he is still around. keep it here on markets now. ♪ ♪ [ villain ] well mr. baldwin... it appears our journey has come to a delightful end. then i better use the capital one purchase eraser to redeem my venture miles for this trip. p

east to basically look at all traffic that goes in and through the middle east they intercept vast quantities of emails telephone calls general internet traffic you name it to pass on then to western intelligence agencies and of course to be used by g.c. h.q. here in the u.k. what it does is basically it taps into undersea cables which are called by some the backbone of the internet so they carry all internet traffic all around the world extract the data and then that's passed after it's been de coded of course the national security agency in america it's particularly valuable they say because it can access cables that pass between submarines so that's obviously highly secret data but the program can literally intercept everything that goes over the internet it's done much more widely than just in the middle east as part of this billion pound project these why drain is the global interception of all the digital data that goes to the internet there's more than half a million miles worth of cable running all over the world cable sort of about that big about as big as a garden hose and it contai

big british broadway's will change the middle east the u.k. runs a secret snooping station intercepting e-mails phone calls and web traffic the latest leak from whistleblower edward snowden revealed. the doctor says online reports accusing the syrian government of a chemical attack were released before the alleged incident even happened after he looks at how terrorist groups are taking advantage of the chaos in the region. and the prison release of age of the departed leader hosni mubarak stokes under among the supporters of his ousted mohamed morsy who remains in detention. this is these who live from moscow hello and welcome to the shop the u.k. he's been operating a secret data gathering base in the middle east part of a one point five billion dollars investment in global surveillance these are the new revelations from edward snowden published in the british media and she is laura smith has the details on the latest for us. it's an exclusive to the independent newspaper and they're saying that britain is running this secret internet monitor

east to intercept all sorts of internet traffic in and through the middle east and then pass that on to western intelligence agencies basically what it does is taps into internet cables that run into these the sea extracts that data and then passes it to g c h q here in the u.k. and to the n.s.a. in the states is particularly valuable according to the independent because it can access cables that are passed between submarines to very sensitive data and it's part of a much larger project which is designed to to intercept global digital communications all over the world e-mails text messages literally everything there are overhaul of a million miles of cables internet cables it's called the backbone of the internet running under the sea all over the world and they carry all the world's internet traffic so emails tweets text phone calls our facebook entries every time you send an e-mail to anyone in a foreign country and if you have to cross the border it has to go through these cables the cables then make landfall at various points if we show you a map of how the cables lie you can see

a lot of things to change in the middle east the middle east is in total chaos at this point egypt is and is in a state of collapse lebanon is riven by factions there are huge refugee flows into turkey lebanon in jordan for five hundred thousand each case iraq is racked by civil war so the circumstances in the past year have changed significantly significantly and i feel at the present the united states can say you know i did say that ok but steven no longer stephen but he's not saying that that's important here he's not saying that. i agree he's not saying that so therefore we have to deal with the reality now the reality is that he has suggested that the only way we can deal with the chemical attack so-called from. from from the assad regime is. missiles missile attacks but he is not suggesting that we could strengthen our sanctions on syria or maybe send more weapons to the rebels i mean there are alternatives to a missile attack ok pepe i mean i heard you say alleged i said it as well we're going to react to what stephen said go ahead look. stephen is stephen is right that there a

making a lot of mistakes in the middle east and it's not the first time it's not surprising i believe that america. american miscalculated in iraq and they miscalculated believe we're definitely there are miscalculating in syria because you know whenever there or there are large intervene in any of the middle eastern countries the created or the create. there is a state this is the best place for for actually article organization to establish bases so that what happened exactly what happened in afghanistan could happen in syria so i believe the american will feel problems to try to. defeat al qaeda in syria because al qaeda is very strong and it is good things to stronger and i believe this war in syria would and. many people anticipated that it will take three four six months. so that it will be over and will be toppled but until now it was actually hearing that. given the history that you just mentioned of america's intervention in the arab countries now you are one of the most influential commentators on arab affairs and as you just pointed out your region often was on the receivin

east to intercept all sorts of internet traffic in the middle east and then cost data into western intelligence agencies basically what it does is taps into internet cables that run into the the sea extracts that data and then passes it to g.c. h.q. here in the u.k. and to the n.s.a. in the states is particularly valuable according to the independent because it can access cables that apos between submarines to very sensitive data and it's called the dog the project which is designed. to intercept global digital pictures the world will take to everything they were able to hold a million miles old people in the world the fact that running under the sea over the world would make our old world think that even though we. think that they don't have to be everything. that you know we're going to work you and if you cross the border and have to go through these cables the cables that make landfall at various points if we show you a map of how the cables lie you can see that a lot of them make landfall in the u.k. those transatlantic ones so the u.k. is very important in this operations need now says th

east, particularly one that has campaigned on getting out of the middle east and pivoting to the far east. >> we have been here before, thinking of bosnia and the situation there where a united states president was called out for not doing something where phoeupbgs were broadcast across the world and the atrocities happening there. now we're seeing atrocities in syria. will this be another moment where the president is going to be called out to do anything? >> well, he is being called out to do something now. the fact is if the question by reuters was asked, are we going to, as a american people, continue to allow the slaughter of syrian civilians and the use of chemical weapons in that region, are we going to allow it and sit back and do nothing? i think the overwhelming consensus of the american people would be no, we must be doing something and i think this president has a responsibility particularly since he has put the credibility of the united states on the line by saying if you cross this red line, there will be consequences. well, america is waiting to see what those conseque

but it is not just democrats who wanted out of the wars or let's get out of the middle east. i mean, isn't this what a lot of people have said they wanted? >> sure, charles is brilliant but wrong. obama has not made us irrelevant in the middle east, he made us irrelevant around the world. we're not relevant in russia or china. look, he has screwed up the foreign policy. i am not even sure what his foreign policy is, we draw a red line for syria that they cross twice. >> do you know what your foreign policy is? what is your alternative foreign policy? >> in what respect -- >> i listen to krauthammer, who granted is a smart guy. he understands his role very well, but is not an expert on the middle east. >> pull the funding. >> here you got the conservatives, some conservatives and liberals staying very quiet about this. and not be willing to stand up with obama on this. nobody wants to take that money away from the generals, because they did the one thing that y'all wanted, which was get rid of the brotherhood. and that is why mubarak is out of jail, because those were his peop

east and north africa, eradicate the jews in the middle east and north africa, collaborated closely with the nazis, our new friends in the middle east, our new our rich partners, participated, sent battalions in 1948 to assist in the invasion and crashing of the fledgling state of israel in 1948. the brotherhood was on the ground killing jews. by the early 1950's they wanted the power. but even he was threatened by a totalitarian vision of the muslim brotherhood. i quote him in the buck. they wanted to shut down movie theaters, cover women from ito. a wanted to share power until they could get full power. that's the plan. there were crushed in the early 1950's. not before they were through with assassinating egyptian leaders, assassinating the egyptian prime minister, causing a wave of terror, a campaign of terror and man in egypt. in the late 1930's-early 1940's burning synagogues to the ground, arresting jews in the streets and publishing and not see-style anti-semitic propaganda. and you wonder why morsi joined the muslim brotherhood according to his wife, is better half, i suppo

middle east in u.s. foreign- policy and focus to asia. secretary defense hagel is in asia right now. he is having to talk about syria and the middle east. president obama, and this is coloring their decisions, knows that to get involved directly in the war in syria that is it for the rest of his administration. i think that is one they are being careful about. he still has lofty hopes for the middle east. he wants to pivot away from this region and put american foreign- policy attention elsewhere, primarily in asia. host: we want to go to a middle east correspondent to his joining us from syria. good morning to you. i think we may have lost him. all right. we will go with our caller. caller: it is concerning to me that regarding the chemical use in syria is slanted to one. america has concluded that facade has artie use chemical weapons. do we already have any evidence? we have concluded that assad used it. what is the evidence? i would like to know. host: what is the latest? guest: we do not have eviden

we're talking about a national state the strongest in the middle east. beyond the middle east, the best high-tech hub becoming more and more, best secret service agencies. so israel is coming to the table as a strong state. not coming to the table as people and refugees and other things. one of the reasons there's distrust on both sides, lack of implementation of any accords. israeli signed peace agreement 20 years ago. today none of these accords were implemented. the settlements in the west bank were 60 settlements then. today they are 200. the numbers of settlers within the west bank was something around 200,000. today they are half million between east jerusalem and the occupied territories. so we need to stop this narrative of victim hood and move forward and do something about it. jerusalem can be actually discussed. i have a feeling from both sides that the refugees, the issue of return, the right to return, has to include more partners. here the arab leagues has to come in. the saudis gave egyptians $20 billion. they have to give something to the

this week has brought fresh hope for a rejuvenated middle east peace process. israeli and palestinian representatives held the first face-to-face talk in three years and agreed to discussions. a key person behind the seas -- scenes is shimon peres. today is his 90th birthday, making him the oldest head of state in the world. ♪ reaching 90 is a landmark for anyone. but shimon peres mark his birthday in style. israelis, it was over- the-top. for others, it was a fitting tribute. he is the last of the founding fathers in a nation that holds onto its history. his story is the story of israel, too. on migrated from what was then poland in the 1930's. migrated from what was then poland in the 1930's. he stood together with ben gurion. he was the driving force behind the construction of a secretive nuclear site. for many, the self-styled man of peace was often preparing for .ar >> i did not change. the situation has changed. >> this is shimon peres's view on it. you can make peace as long as you are sure that israel can win any war. our enemies came to destroy us. l

group or league let's say in the middle east is really prevailing and they realize that if syria if syria doesn't fall as they planned it it will back backlash on them. and read the american leverage in the area will start to shake we've seen that happening in several areas in several countries in the middle east where they've lost they they they lost their leverage clearly they at the start employed in the and the syrian conflict the the qatari is that didn't perform well the americans were unable and a bit of confusion then the saudis put a bed to lead then they said they are fine why not as long as you can get us out of out of the syrian crisis and now they are not convinced that even the saudis with with all of what their full measures that they're deploying to syria including the jihad this the money the media warfare on syria that the saudis will probably be able to achieve their goals so now they have to resort to military force to save their position in the middle east they know that if syria. succeeds in surviving. having this war against it from all fronts syria will only be a n

secretary of state john kerry's push for nasa the middle east is taking shape. this week saw the beginning of of the latest round of israeli/palestinian negotiations in washington. chief negotiators, zippy livni and her counterpart, john kerry announced martin indyk as u.s. special invoy. kerry is hopeful to come to an agreement within nine months. jeffrey goalberg joins from bloomberg view joins me from washington. welcome. >> thank you. >> the reason i'm so anxiously await talking to you is because of your own -- what you have written and what you have said about the middle east and how well you know the participants. this is what you said. "just to be clear, this is what needs to happen by next april in time for the white house signing ceremony. jerusalem, the holy city in judaism and the third holiest in islam will have to be divided in a way that doesn't cause a global religious war." that's the case you make as to why this is delusional. has anything happened to change your mind or to become a bit more optimistic? >> the short answer is no and the long ans

east and larger producing areas of the middle east. right now, the market's weighing the weak economic news and the conflict over in the middle east. right now, the weak u.s. economic news, obviously, we're the largest consumer of oil in the world, so the weak u.s. economic news is still the biggest factor on the markets right now, although, still watching the conflicts in the middle east very closely. adam? adam: thank you. over to lauren on the floor of the new york stock exchange. there's a lot of stuff about sales, volume light, checking out for the long holiday, last week of summer vacation. >> that's right, adam, but i'm looking at the coal stocks right now. you have alpha natural resources, walletser energy, arch coal, all up, particularly peabody, up nearly 3.5%. it was said over the weekend that peabody is poised to benefit from coal prices to get a lift as supply and demand become balanced. demand picked up as utilities turned back from coal to natural gas so that's helping out a little bit too. coal stocks are the winner as

i see three triggers in the middle east. i see egypt and the possibility of chaos on one hand i see al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood there and on the other hand i see syria and the shah regime and has blocked in iran. and i have to say that they are kiing each other. my impulse is to tell you is how at it, boys. horrible, horrific. people are killed. well, let's see how this all plays out. that is my impulse and i don't mean to sound heartless, but i care about american interests first. and i personally don't see an interest in intervening in a conflict between two hottest. it's my personal opinion. sort of educated, i guess. syria and egypt and iran. these are the three. if iran wants to activate hezbollah, and at every inch of the state state of israel, they are inclined to do so. if you think that things are going to be quite in the middle east, if you think this is going to go on a flare appearing there and we will get better and we will focus on peace, think again. before it gets better it is going to get worse. john

a lot of things to change in the middle east the middle east is in total chaos at this point egypt is and is in a state of collapse levanon is riven by factions there are. huge refugee flows into turkey lebanon and jordan for five hundred thousand each case iraq is wracked by civil war so the circumstances in the past year have changed significantly significantly and i feel that the present a united states can say you know i did say that ok let's deal in but stephen no longer stephen but he's not saying that that's important here he's not saying that . i agree he's not saying that so therefore we have to deal with the reality now the reality is that he has suggested that the only way we can deal with the chemical attacks so-called from. this or from the assad regime is. missiles missile attacks but he is not suggesting that maybe that we could strengthen our sanctions on syria or maybe send more weapons to the rebels i mean there are alternatives to a missile attack ok pepe i mean i heard you say alleged i said it is well we're going to react to what stephen said go ahead look. stephe