will never go to war without an fbi contingent. >> guest: and so after 9/11 you have fbi agents on the ground in afghanistan, in iraq that the fbi now has agents deployed in 80 countries overseas, most of them not in war zones, obviously, but that the fbi has grown this huge international presence such that the bureau now has an overseas force that's about a tenth of the size of the entire u.s. foreign service. >> host: 202-585-3885 is our phone number for you to join in the conversation as we talk about the role of the fbi and specifically this profile contained in the book of robert mueller, the fbi director, finishing up his ten-year term. also great history of the earlier years with j. edgar hoover inside this book if you are an officionado of that period of time in american history. mountain and pacific time zone 202 585-3886. before we do more detail on what the fbi role has become, how did this book come about? >> guest: it actually grew out of a piece i had written in 2008 profiling director mueller. as i said, he's kept this remarkably low profile. he gives very few interviews

they would have to go to the fbi. over the past 10 years, many arab-americans have been subject to intense and unwarranted scrutiny -- scrutiny by such organizations, like the fbi and others. it has not only been the fbi. people have been alienated from civic participation. [tone] sfpd should recall what john crew mentioned, the expos pay. >> your time is up. sorry. >> yesterday we shredded the bill of rights. today by being part of the jttf, is treading it's part of the bill of rights. i call on your good conscience for you to urge the board of supervisors -- >> sir? thank you. next speaker, please. >> the evening. i am the student national vice president for the guild and the national lawyers guild here in san francisco. i want to thank you for holding this hearing. i feel like this entire thing is about local control and transparency. i think there was a number of perceptive questions from commissioners regarding the bureau order and the local patrol issue. i think what needs to be really clear, as far as i underst

i am here because i have experience with the fbi. in 2002, i was the national director of an education fund. i move from the san francisco beria to washington to do civil rights work. i did that for three years and i serve on the national board of the aclu. i am not representing either organization today. during my tenure, i trained 7000 law enforcement officials, including the fbi, the joint task force, and others. we did some of this work under the department justices community relations service. when a train on the issues, a key factor was trust between me as a trainer and the law enforcement officials that were there to learn about how to culturally, competently work with our communities. there were specifics mentioned in the presentation. within the muslim community, the case in l.a., the muslim public affairs council and many others worked with the fbi for a year on that one case. it reduced and eliminated funds that have been built over the years. if i decide to move to san francisco, we don't want what happened to a 16-room b

the fbi took out everything related to local control. it avoids the confusion of the fbi saying they can block it. the one difference, but it should have no impact, is the mou provides for depute physician -- deputization. that is important on a practical level because it gives those officers the authority to exercise federal powers. if what we are saying is they can do their jobs under local powers, under local standards, if what we're saying is they can and we want them and they can be effective, as we all want them to protect us from terrorism, by exercising san francisco powers, they don't need the deput ization. they said it is a huge win for combating terror giving the portland officers the same security clearance, the same level, the same access to information they need to do their job to keep us safe. the technical difference is they would not be deputized. i do not believe what you would be giving up, unless there are things going on that nobody knows about that they are not supposed to be doing. i am not suggesting that is the

and when you do get the fbi files, they're redacted. a hot is blacked out, whole -- a lot is blacked out, whole sections are whited out. then you can go through a whole set of appeals to argue they should give you those. i have a feeling i'm going to be receiving fbi files on paul and jane, you know, for years to come. [laughter] i hope i don't find anything shock anything there. shocking in there. yes. >> since they were such letter writers, did julia or paul ever write a letter to mccarthy? >> no, not that i know of. so t possible, but i wouldn't think so because they pretty much hated him on sight from the beginning, and it only got worse. they wrote an awful lot of letters about him though. i mean, there's just reames and reames of sort of angry screams against him in the letters and diaries. and it's actually just fascinating to read how it darkens, you know, from the 1940s through the hollywood ten when they watched all of that persecution of the artists and directors and actors in if hollywood. and then he moved and set his sight

i understand that there are hoax letters. >> the fbi is not treating this hoax. we have more than 30 d.c. schools that of reported receiving similar letters with the white powder inside. the fbi is working to link these letters to ones that have been found across the nation. we also know this noon that d.c. ems set up a command efforts. coordinate >> we have a complete list of schools on our wjla.com had their for continuously well.d coverage as president obama is thinking the today. his way to fort campbell, kentucky, to thank the covert forces behind sunday's bin laden'son compound in pakistan. hevice president of biden -- biden willesident troops. address the the president's visit comes as about a new details potential plot to target u.s. training spots. brianne carter has more on this and any message from al qaeda. >> we saw stepped up police presence, something that travelers called surprising but comforting. the first hearing statement from the terror network. five days after learning about laden's osama bin down, al qaeda is leaders deathir and issuing new

the fbi took out everything related to local control. it avoids the confusion of the fbi saying they can block it. the one difference, but it should have no impact, is the mou provides for depute physician -- deputization. that is important on a practical level because it gives those officers the authority to exercise federal powers. if what we are saying is they can do their jobs under local powers, under local standards,

to explain these protocols within 30 days of that change in fbi command. we will continue to work with the fbi and hrc to engage in dialog regarding our members' roles and responsibilities and are receptive to this particular unit bureau order. we are happy to amend it further. as far as to night came, i wanted there to be something that was a standing protocol in place moving forward that i could represent to this body. president mazzucco: thank you, chief. the tone is that most of the concerns we heard regarding whether or not the memorandum of understanding from 2003 was different from the most recent one, about what trumps, whether our officers' orders supersede what the fbi said, we have now made that clear. our officers follow our department general orders. we follow our san francisco values. the chief gets a lot of credit, as does captain mahoney, who worked diligently to make sure that most of these questions have been answered before tonight's hearing. i want to thank them for their hard work and think the chief for making quick, good decisions. t

in our meeting today with the attorney's office and the fbi, give us evidence. we will look into it. they are concerned. i am listed as the first speaker. before we move into this meeting, to set the tone, i will move to the last speaker, chief greg suhr. he will make announcements that will take -- that will set a good tone for this evening. chief? >> thank you, commissioner mazzucco. first of all, i would like to affirm everything the commissioner said as just so. i appreciate the outreach by the human rights commission to the community. i want to acknowledge the validity of the perceptions raised by the community. that said, we have very strict policies in san francisco police department in place so there is appropriate oversight for all investigations involving activities. 8.10 came about in 1994, has been revised once, and i believe mr. crew collaborated significantly on the original version of this order. oversight include audits from the occ, a monthly meeting with a designated police commissioner, and approval required by the chief for first amendment in

there have been questions about the fbi's present. it is my understanding, just so everyone knows, the fbi was invited to participate in today's hearing, and they declined. that goes to the question of trust and openness. if they are not willing to have these conversations in the open, the way they are in portland, the question comes to people's minds is, what are they hiding? why can't we have these discussions with them? that is that issue. in my line of work, i represent dozens of clients who have been visited by the fbi. what i usually share some examples of what we see. they highlight the reason for openness, accountability and trust. there's a reason we need these things. some of the things we have seen with the fbi in the last year and a half is people being questioned on their views about osama bin laden. their question about the uprisings in the middle east, whether or not they know rebels in libya, tunisia, and egypt. african community members are questioned about the uprising in egypt and other parts of the middle east. we

these are the kinds of things only the fbi had access to. montgomery county police did not have access to sensitive information the fbi had possession of. stand and the detective from the cold case squad four dave partnership to get to the bottom of what happened and this is probably not a politically correct statement that we cut ourselves -- called ourselves the graybeards. the gray-haired guy sitting around trying to figure out what happened to colonel alon to put together the pieces of the puzzle. i am truly honored i don't know if there is due june 7 from the associated press press, adam and randy that provided an extraordinary amount of help and as i mentioned in my book "chasing shadows" i would not want either one of them hunting me. [laughter] i am sure they do wonderful work and thank you for coming. this provided a critical piece of information that they could data mind out of the national archives from a the caa briefing that occurred to put us on the right track to be blunt and who have done it. without their help, i certainly w

now, jane foster's fbi file is more than 65,000 pages. it if you can imagine. as you get further in the book you will meet a number of other characters whose fbi files or longer. so, you get these papers is sort of packets of 200 at a time. every time you need to request them coming need to doublecheck and you need to wait and it takes three months. it is just a very arduous process to go through what we call the foia request, the freedom of information act. takes the patience of a saint and you don't get everything. when you do get the fbi files, they are redacted. a lot is blacked out. whole sections are whited out. then you can go through a whole nother set of appeals to argue that they should give you those papers. so it is a never-ending process. i've a feeling i'm going to be receiving fbi files on paul and jane for years to come. i hope i don't find anything shocking. yes. >> since they were such letter writers, to julia or paul ever write a letter to mccarthy? >> no. not that i know of. it is always possible but i wouldn't think s

each of the letters being collected by the fbi. at this point they've all been deemed safe, no risk presented to the students or the staff in any of the schools in d.c. yesterday or today. those letters taken down to the fbi office in quantico where they'll see if they are connected to hundreds of other letters sent around the country in recent months. at this point they believe the letters originated in the dallas, texas, area. but who sent them, still a mystery and the focus of an fbi investigation. barbara, back to you. >> thank you so much, aaron. >>> and as aaron said the fbi continues searching for the person who sent the letters to d.c. schools. acting d.c. school chancellor is looking at the way schools responded to the unknown danger this morning and yesterday. chancellor henderson joins us this morning to talk about that incident. and good morning to you. good to have you with us this morning. >> good morning, barbara. thank you. >> let's just begin by talking about how the response was made. how did you first learn that

we will continue to work with the fbi and hrc to

and then he was pulled in for this very long fbi interdpaition. and he cabled julia in germany saying, it's kafkaesque. i don't know what's going to become of me. and that went on for almost a month. and then they were able to unite again in paris, and it was several more months until he managed to get himself cleared, though in fact they continually investigated him for the next year. so it didn't become public in that sense that there weren't headlines about it. in fact, you know, the sad thing is hundreds and hundreds of people were under investigation in the '50s. remember, the hollywood ten had already happened. charlie chaplin had been under investigation for months and had fled to europe. so you had very high profile people that were under investigation every day, and so paul child did not make the news, julia was not famous yet. she hadn't published her cookbook. they weren't celebrities. but their friends all knew, everybody in the state department knew, and it was humiliating and terrifying. and they, paul rightly predicted that his care

to contact the fbi. -- is for you to contact the fbi. i think you need to talk to the duty agent and find some closure. that is where you need to go. i am sort of stepping over the line a little bit because you have been here, and i have some concerns about what is going on, but i think you need to talk about the -- to the fbi. the duty agent, the case agent that handel did for the -- that handled it. that is what i think you should do. that is my advice. >> but i still would like clarification on the findings of the occ. what do you mean by information on it? it can mean one thing or something else. i am entitled to know that. president mazzucco: we will let you know next meeting, or we will get you some sort of definition. we cannot do that right now. >> well, that is fine. so should i stop by the occ sometime between now and next week? president mazzucco: yes, that would be my advice. it sounds like to have already done that, mr. king. >> in my opinion, they would have handled it if i received a letter that explains their findings. if

now, jane foster's fbi file is more than 65,000 pages. if you can imagine. as you get further into the book, you meet a number of other characters whose fbi files are longer, so you get these papers and sort of pacts of 200 at a time. every time you need to request them, you double check, wait, and it takes three months. it's a long process to go through the request, the freedom of information act. it takes the parks of a -- patience of a saint, and you don't get everything. when you do get the files, they are redacted, sections are blacked out, and then you can go through a set of appeals to argue they should give you those papers. it's a never ending process. i have a feeling i'll be receiving fbi files on paul own jane, you know, for years to come. [laughter] i hope i don't find anything shocking in there. [laughter] yes? >> since they were such letter writers, did julia or paul write a letter to mccarthy? >> no, not that i know of. it's always possible, but i wouldn't think so because they pretty much hated him on site from the beginning and it only got

what is the fbi asserting here? >> reporter: that this man actually posted threats on the website that we've been covering, revolution muslim, threatening the creators of "south park." the fbi is basing this not just on the postings, but intercepted e-mails and communications that show intent, that is what the fbi is saying, the intent to cause harm to the creators of "south park." >> when you interviewed this guy, he seemed to go right up to the line of protection under the first amendment. >> hiding behind the first amendment. he thought that he had that first amendment protection. the fbi told us at the time that he was indeed going right up to the line and not crossing it. what we didn't know, anderson, was the fbi was also monitoring his communications with other people involved in that website. and they have now brought charges against this man, saying that indeed these were threats made and this is in connection with another case of a guy who is already serving time. >> but this guy muhammad hasn't been arres