he couldn't make colorado, that mountain height, the altitude. but lower mountains, he could do. so anyway, we had a good time. >> we touched a little on this. i ask all the astronauts and adventurers. but fear. it seems to me that the most afraid you were on this mission was when you almost fell on your backpack. but a, was it? and b, how do you deal with fear? because you fighter pilots, you can't let it cloud your judgment. >> the only time i had fear on apollo was in that instance. we were well-trained as richard knows and the other ones, cunningham can tell you. we spent thousands of hours in a simulator. i probably crashed a thousand times on the moon, in the simulator. [laughter] but i knew how to fly that machine, at the end. and i knew how to handle emergencies. so we mostly had a positive attitude. we're gonna handle it. >> well, you did but didn't one of your crew mates have a less positive attitude? >> well, mattingly, he was a "what if" guy in the command module. what if this happens, what if that happens? but it was a great blend for our crew. it balanced us out, yo
