juli pace, karl rove, and evan bayh. karl, we talked about this eat great length. how much trouble is obama care? ? >> in trouble. the president's job approval rating is now tied for the lowest of his term and his disapproval rating it at his highest and the law has gotten far mar unpopular and these problems are going to continue. let's put this in perspective, the individual market is being affected, but let's remember there is about 150 million people that get insurance through their employer. 90 million are unaffected. those are self funded plans governed by risa. so there is about 15 million in the individual market, so a total of about 75 million. the department of health and human services said 20 people would lose their coverage. other estimates are as high as nearly 50% of people. that is rolling out over the next year. >> all right, the new yorker had a classic cover. you can see president obama, secreta secreta secretary sebelius crossing her fingers. i'm sure the white house isn't laughing. >> they're in a holding patter. no one expected the website to

rove, and former de evan bayh. karl we talked about this at great length in our opening debate. how much trouble is obamacare in? the website, cancellations, the whole deal going forward. >> big trouble. the president's job approval rating is tied for the lowest in his term, disapproval rate at its high efpl. the law has gotten more unpopular in the last week or so. these problems are going to continue. let's put this in perspective. the individual market is being affected. there are about 150 million people who get insurance through their employer. # -- 90 million will be unaffected. those are plans governed by erisa. a total of about 75 ph-bgt plans. in 2010 the department of health and humans services said at least 14 million people are going to lose coverage. that would be 20% of the people in america governed by obamacare who today have health insurance would lose it. other estimates are as high as nearly 50% of people who have health coverage subject to obamacare are going to lose it. that's going to be rolli

you are seeing karl rove saying, republicans, you got to down play the social issues like abortion. is that going to play with the tea party? >> kuchinelli carried them by nine points and if unmarried women had done as well as m married women do, he would have been fine. >> he was mind by double digits and it looked like he cas going to get blown out and return a call from the democrated. they were going after him on issues like abortion and gun control. he was going to make it a referendum and he almost won. here he is from election night. >> this race came down to the wire because of obama care that message will go out across america tonight. >> what do you see as the lessons from christie's victory in new jersey and the narrow loss in virginia? >> for the tea party in particular, if you are trying to elect somebody in the state of virginia which is populates in the suburbs by government workers and republican areas where you have the ship yards, don't shut the government down within two months of the election. that is what put kuchinelli in the hole in which nobody not even obama

you're seeing now karl rove and i think bill whalen in the "wall street journal" saying republicans you've got to down play this issue like abortions. is that going to play with the tea party sph >> cuccinelli carried voters 18-24. cuccinelli carried independents by 9 points. if unmarried women had broken as married women did he would have won the virginia governorship by 7 points. >> for those of you who didn't follow it closely, cuccinelli was behind by at one point double digits then six to eight points. looked like he was going to get blown out and particularly as juan says, the democrats were going after him on social issues like abortion and even birth control swell gun control. and -- birth control as well as gun control. then in the final two weeks as we began to see problems with obamacare he was going to go after that making referendum in obamacare and he almost won. here's cuccinelli from election night. >> this race came down to the wire because of obamacare. that message will go out across america tonight. >> what do you see as the lessons both from christie's victory in new j

you're seeing now karl rove and i think bill whalen in the "wall street journal" saying republicans you've got is that going to play with the o tea party? >> if one married women did, hei would have won the governorship by seven points. behind by double digits and six to eight points.ik looked like he was really going to get blown out. a call for the democrats who wag really going out there after social issues. even birth control as well as co gun ntcontrol. then in the final two weeks,esaid as we began to see w problems with obama care he was going to go after that and makee it a referendum and he almost won. >> this race came down to the wire because of obama care. that message will go out across america tonight. >> what do you see as the lessons from christie's victory in new jersey and from the narrow loss in virginia? >> if you're trying to elect somebody in the state of virginia, which is populated heavily by government workers by and heavily populated in normally republican areas down in the tide water where you have got the shipyards, don't shut the government down within two month