opposed were cia. he wanted to leave after the war when. >> they own the chicago tribunev a republican newspaper chain strongly anti rose up, thenos espies roosevelt and roosevelt despised.hm he get leaked a copy of dawn ofn a secret plan to set up a post war cia. most likely j. edgar hoover beao the document, but it could never be proven. anyway, he publishes the articls in the chicago tribune verbatim, the secret order that wasveatim drafted along with this very w highly exclamatory sorry thatnl accused donovan of on theupamer seventh american gestapo in the united states to be back in if you keys in the organization of being gestapo like, you about kill the politically. and it did. >> of look at american espionage at, author of the secret century, the untold history of the national security agency spa researching and writing about matters of national security. >> the main question ellis wanted answer is we spend right now 200,000 americans comprising the u.s. intelligence community. what are we gett

a cia agent in dallas. it will i did not know that they had as cia office. later i learned it was one door. he said things are going on in cuba we need to know about. we do look around and sort of look for this? key knew that i was an aviation and aerospace editor, tell me to look. i said to make, wait. i am a good american. when i come back will tell you everything hyoscine. >> i've never taken a penny for many federal organization ever. thank you. [applause] >> my question might be a little easier. [laughter] >> is there any truth to this story that the limousine that that president was riding in was taken away shortly afterwards and cleaned before technicians had a chance to examine it? >> no, that is not true. the limousine the following morning was the subject of an extensive investigation that went on for about five days by the fbi to make sure that there was no additional evidentiary material in the automobile. what we found, of course, the $0.2 a fragments the inside of the windshield that they think was the result of one of the ricocheted fragments

they are not in the cia. that i think it's important to be very clear that they are a part of the military. now, what i think is -- we have the goldwater nichols and there were forms that tried to enforce straightness but there's always service provoked the al-isam. but i have a couple of chapters on the evolution of special operations command out in afghanistan, and they have the whole mix and menu. i mentioned general miller and his chief of staff was a navy seal captain. you had a marine intelligence officer, a terrific guy that led the session so there is a conscious effort for them to serve together and in the form. again, admiral mccray then has been pretty ferocious on this and i think it's still a challenge. there is parochialism and you can hear people criticize so and so. they have this reputation of being only direct action. and a some of them were not terribly happy being out. they would rather be jumping out of the helicopter doing that. but, frankly the leaders understood this as a direction of

the last avatar of bipartisan judicial restraint what was kennedy like on domestic surveillance, the cia and war powers? there was a recently released number justifying the plausible case. can you give us your thoughts on that? >> i think kennedy was one of those presidents early in the cold war who very much believed that what came first was national security and if you had to cross the line, if you had to extend the powers of the executive to a degree that had been part of the country's history, you have to go ahead and do it and they were frustrated by congress. at one point they were so frustrated by congress bobby said to him come on on jack let's go start our own country. again he would say not start their own country but they were going to do what they had to do to control things and make for a successful foreign policy. during the steel crisis the conflict with the steel executives they turned loose the fbi and the irs and for those steel executives and there was the account of a dinner that jack and bobby were at with some of the people and somebody joked and said well bobby rea

they're not in the cia. so that, i think, is important to be very clear, that they are part of the military. now, what i think is, you know, we had goldwater/nichols, and there were forms that tried to enforce jointness, but there's always service parochialism. but i have a couple of chapters on the evolution of special operations command out in afghanistan. and they had the whole mix and menu. i mentioned general miller and his chief of staff was a navy seal captain. you had a marine intelligence officer, terrific guy who led the j2 section. so there's really a conscious effort for these guys to serve together and form these blended commands. and, again, admirable mcraven has been pretty ferocious on this, and i think it's still a challenge. there is parochialism, and you can hear people criticize so and so. i mentioned that the seals, you know, have this reputation of being only direct action guys. and some of them were clearly not terribly happy at being out helping villagers. they'd rather with jumping o

the fbi and the cia never told their commission about the arrangements with the mafia. there were so many things that they didn't know. and they rushed to a conclusion. craig, what shocked me was 50 years after the warren commission, i could go to dallas, which i did come and interview people who were right in the daily class of the that e strong opinions and who saw things who were never, ever interviewed by the commission. it could happen because the commission was rushed and already knew what its conclusion was going to be. they simply disallowed information that contradicted it and i found pieces that don't fit. as i said i not been in the code particularly conspiracy oriented by thought it was my obligation to point out people the pieces that do not fit into the commission report -- a good example. when president kennedy was shot at 12:30 p.m. dallas time november 22nd 1963 with one of minute, several dallas police officers ran up and why? because many people were pointing it at least some source of the gunfire. the first officer a fellow named john marshall smith

what you say about a cia document written on october 10, 1963, where the head of the dallas cia domestic contract division are part of this the possibility of hugh aynesworth making a trip to cuba. have you ever been a cia media asset. [laughter] or have you ever received compensation for money or any kind of support? [laughter] >> that's a fair question. >> i had been in the cuba missile crisis in 1962 and i wanted to go back. and i don't know what year this was exactly and i was trying to get back to cuba. you had to go through the czechoslovakian embassy. when they get a call from a guy and i'm even though they had a ca office. i also learned there was just one goal if nothing else. but he said that things are going on in cuba that we need to warn about and would you look around and sort of look for this and he knew that i was an editor. and i'm a good american. when i come back, also you everything that i have seen. and this includes any federal organization ever and that is the story. [applause] >> my question might be a little bit easier. [laughter] >> is there any truth to the sto

bubefore the assassination, the cia reacted to oswald's visit to mexico city. so oswald is maturing. he matured right into a presidential assassin, and he had a practice trying to assassinate general walker in april of 1963. if only the police forces and the fbi at the time had spent more resources to try to trace that assassination attempt. walker wasn't killed he was only slightly injured with a bullet was fired through his house at almost certainly was oswald. oswald pulled his wife woul whae had done in greater detail. how many assassins have the final day and how many do they have under investigation? they are going to be amazed to learn that the only people in the finals of the secret service were the people that wrote and threatened the president directly as any policemen or investigator will tell you that people who write you don't need to worry about it for people that don't write that you need to worry about. >> host: did oswald ever write threatening letters? >> guest: they didn't have a single questionable individual on final in dallas. he was the h

of the cia. but they really did believe that the cia had been melted down to, basically, a debased society under the clinton administration. and they felt that the military's covert unit would be the best weapon that the u.s. could use in a discreet global secret war. and so they injected jsoc with steroids. and general stanley mcchrystal ran jsoc for much of the bush era, and they began operating what was effectively a global hunting organization. and they weren't hunting deer, they were hunting people. and they did their own interrogation. they have their own secret prisons. it was a whole parallel apparatus to what the cia had traditionally had sovereign realm other. >> host: how did you get involved in this line of work? >> guest: purely by accident. i went to university thinking i wanted to be a middle schoolteacher. and i discovered very soon after i got to the university what it meant to be on academic probation. i was a terrible student. so if i'm a horrible student, i don't know how i'm

we were being lied to about what the cia was doing and what the f. e. i was doing and what the government and the candidate administration was doing. lyndon johnson himself, and it publicly after his white house years that president kennedy and the kennedy administration were running a murder incorporated in the caribbean with castro and other leaders around the world. >> host: why was kennedy in texas in november of 1963? >> guest: it's very clear. there's no question he was trying to help the texas democratic party reunite. there had been a terrible split between the liberals and senator ralph yarbro in the conservative side by governor john connolly. lyndon johnson was kind of in the middle and he was trying to put the party back together. >> host: connolly was his protÉge and self -- friend. >> guest: kennedy's presidency is only understood well in the electoral context that you would understand well and that i understand well. kennedy had an elected by a smidgen and some say he wasn't elected at all but 118,000 votes on the official record. texas,

conclusion, because the minute kennedy was souths the first thing bobby did was call the head of the cia and say, did one of your guys do that? and he sent an investigator, organized crime, teamsters, never found anything. this is what i think. if people -- look, if some day some guy walks in with evidence and says, it was the teamsters, organized crime, the exiles, it was castro, who certainly had a motive. kennedy tried to kill him several times. rogue agents in the intelligence. roger stone, the political black arts guy. the republican, going to dallas on november 22nd to, quote, prove lyndon johnson killed him. what i think is this. it doesn't seem right that so consequential an act could have come at the hands of so insignificant a twerp as as polled. a loser, wife-beater, couldn't keep a job. went to the soviet union, came back, was thinking about going again, delusions of grandure, did try to kill major general walker with the save rifle he killed john kennedy later. jackie kennedy said, how could that have been? an insignificant guy like this guy, a nothing. it's much more satisf

seven cia officers were killed. and they arrived over the air base and it was a bitterly cold january day and we stood at attention as the seven flag draped coffins were loaded. those are the kinds of people that gave their lives in order to protect this country and they gave us the inspiration to do everything that we could to go after osama bin laden and we got the break that we wanted and there was a 12-foot high wall and a 7-foot wall and then there was no telephone and they had this after a great deal of surveillance. they came to the conclusion that there is a strong possibility that bin laden was there. and i can remember when the president went around the room and i said i had a very simple test that i have often used in politics. and this was the best intelligence that we had and i think the average american would conduct this as well. and the mission was a go and two dozen of our best and brightest went into harms way 150 miles at night into pakistan. and they sent a message no one attacks the united state

the cia reacting to his visit to mexico city. kozlov is maturing. he is maturing. well, he matured right into a presidential assassin. he had practiced trying to assassinate general edwin locker in april of 1963 if only the police force and the fbi if the time had spent more resources to try to trace that assassination attempt. he was only slightly injured with a bullet that was fired through his house. it almost certainly was all. he told his wife what he had done in great detail. >> how big was the secret service? >> how many assassins? >> you know, there are amazed that the only people in the files of the secret service for people who wrote and threaten the president directly. as a policeman or investigators the people you don't write. so. >> did oslo never read threatening letters? >> they did not have a single question will individual on file . dallas was a hotbed of anti kennedy sentiment, and there have been incidents involved. dallas in particular. the incident with adlai stevenson a couple of months before where he was spat upon and a salted. they had been

he needs his own cia and then you find out he has this huge espionage background. he is a noted guy from the french indian war. he went out of his way to brush up on those skills so he tells talmage and others in general scott hey regular general scott this is what we are going to need to do. we have to find these people to help me out. a >> now our booktv from the 13th annual national book festival on the national mall in washington d.c. pulitzer prize-winning historian rick atkinson presents his book "the guns at last light" the war in western europe 1944-45. >> and now to our author and our speaker, rick atkinson. rick served as a reporter foreign correspondent and senior editor of the "washington post" for 25 years. it's my personal misfortune that i arrived too late as opposed to work with them. he is rightly regarded as one of the most distinguished journalists of our time. his talent as a writer and a reporter and his unparalleled expertise in military affair

the cia, in turn, refers it--because it's a--it's a criminal matter, it's a law enforcement matter. it's a--it's a--it's an extortion plot, essentially. and they refer it to the fbi back in the united states. so in no time, in a couple of--couple of days actually, af-after the--the phone call to the cia, the fbi shows up in decatur saying, 'what's this about a saboteur?' and like you said, it's--what's so ironic about the whole thing is that, ultimately, the whole saboteur story is a phony. it never happened. and then the final irony is this sets in motion the events that lead to the criminal investigation of adm, that lead to the criminal inv--investigation of mick andreas, that knock mick andreas out of his position as heir-apparent to take over the company, and in his place is selected allen andreas. so it's sort of--it's sort of this... c-span: he's now chairman of the board? >> guest: he is now chairman of the archer daniels midland company. c-span: go back to ground zero again on this. first of all, what is price-fixing, and why is it a crime? >> guest: price-fixing is--the--t

what you say about a cia document written on october 10, 1963, where the head of the dallas cia domestic contract division are part of this the possibility of hugh aynesworth making a trip to cuba. have you ever been a cia media asset. [laughter] or have you ever received compensation for money or any kind of support? [laughter] >> that's a fair question. >> i had been in the cuba missile crisis in 1962 and i wanted to go back. and i don't know what year this was exactly and i was trying to get back to cuba. you had to go through the czechoslovakian embassy. when they get a call from a guy and i'm even though they had a ca office. i also learned there was just one goal if nothing else. but he said that things are going on in cuba that we need to warn about and would you look around and sort of look for this and he knew that i was an editor. and i'm a good american. when i come back, also you everything that i have seen. and this includes any federal organization ever and that is the story. [applause] >> my question might be a little bit easier. [laughter] >> is there any truth to the sto

and genocide but the fast forward president reagan how it started long before american support the cia provided the arms but the ims library of the operation. the george herbert walker bush becomes president and realizes those cheese party groups are now diverted to kashmir and in pakistan and to be a state sponsor of terrorism in president george of the bush in 2008 he writes that i realized the sharra off never kept his promises and should have warned me earlier he would give his enemies to fighting terrorist. >> host: talking about presidents but also somebody who met with the general 26 times in four years? and he thought by developing this personal relationship the more he could build trust the greater the chances of pakistan would to like crack down on the haqqani network but he said the end of september 2011 that pakistan had not changed. but i think what really angered him and made him say these statements in congressional testimony that basically the haqqani network. >> in the viewers should know that that has nothing to do with the. [laughter] >> host: we're talking about a v

we close the cia's black sites in poland and thailand. we use somalia's where we are interrogating prisoner. we have cia operative and military intelligence interrogating prisoners. some of whom who have been snatched off the street in young countries. i documented a young guy from ken a ya who was snatched out of the home, taken to wilson airport, shackled and hooded, and flown somalia where he was put a bedbug infested underground prison with no access to light or the outside world, no access to lawyers and could not tell his family where it happened. it happened under president obama. when i called the u.s. government for comment they said that sounds right. why wouldn't we do that? it's natural we want to cooperate with the somali and kenya authorities in the fight against terrorism. i think most americans were the under the impression when obama issued the three executive orders he did a couple of days he was going to be dismantling it not rebranding and recast it as a more legitimate form of running the same program. that's largely

and the warren commission reports the fbi and the cia hid certain things. they didn't want the public to know. how could they have not known about oswald that he got this battalion mail order rifle. the guy was a nutcase and had been in the soviet union. why didn't they know about his whereabouts? they were very defensive and i think the warren commission report in some ways whitewashed or omitted the failings of the fbi in the but the basic conclusion is correct. i think the most extensive work on this is by anthony bugliosi, 1650 pages. it's an encyclopedia with all these conspiracy ideas and yet they thrive. i looked the other day at amazon and my new book was among the hardcover sellers there. it was number three. the two books that if it were conspiracies, assassination books. and i really don't deal with the assassination. i just feel it's sort of being a dead horse. >> audience members want to know what kennedy have -- if he would have had a second term? >> i think unquestionably. when he pulled the civil rights bill before congress he and bobby were

the cia is made up of

it was very sophisticated. >> will be interesting if you could see the cia parking lot. [laughter] okay, very good. [inaudible conversations] >> hello, i run a company specializing in negotiation and i would like to talk about the ip backside and recently we have engaged in a chinese entity regarding access of american technology and the american company got no satisfaction in the chinese court system and the chinese company i.t. export the same technology where they did run into legal trouble than it was the fbi that was being sued but it's a multimillion dollar lawsuit against the chinese. does that offer any sort of optimism or glimmer of hope that there may be a market or a legal way of addressing cyberespionage >> who would like to take that? >> it is a subsidiary of this, which is essentially being bribed and the good old-fashioned way to deliver information to chinese companies. so it's not a case of espionage, it is actually a very important human element. because of that. >> are you talking about american superconductors? >> that is a different case. that is a c

who in your family works for the cia? who is the government agent. i'm like, no one. i'm just curious. so, slowly i -- part of it was the -- the first day she called me, my husband and i had been trying to get pregnant, and it had been a long process. that morning i had taken a pregnancy test and found out i was pregnant. so i was overjoyed, and before i could wake up my husband to tell him. madame nhu is calling me on the phone. so i'm like -- but so part of this i think making her -- getting her humanity out was, i told her early on, you know, that this happened, and this sort of coincidence, and right away she was like, oh, it's not coincidence, it's a sign from god, right? this is members -- is meant to be. and it developed into a very ma ternal -- maternal thing, and she breast fed her children for at least six months and was very previous size about all of those things i wouldn't imagine the dragon lady to be. >> before we get to the dragon lady narrative, i'm just curious, how many people in the audience actually know who she is? madame nhu? oh, my. that's quit

whether it's the nsa, cia, or in this case the nypd teaming up with the cia, you know, since 9/11, there's been an explosion in the surveillance industry and the surveillance state, and what we do is we file a narrative of 72 hours inside new york city with three guys with a bomb trained by bin laden, and we take a look at what works and what doesn't to catch people like this, and to prevent terrorist attacks, and what do we need to give up as far as liberties go to get there. >> did the new york police department cooperate? >> well, initially, no. the official nypd did not, but we had help from the fbi, cia, and other three-letter agencies. >> is the new york police department the only local police department with an intelligence unit? >> it's not the only one, but it's the only one going this far in basically trying to map the human terrain of the city to sort of gauge sentiments and make notes and files on what people think about the state of the union address and what people think about drones and what do they think about foreign policy and try to sort of kind of predictive analysis wh

during that time we had an organization at cia headquarters called the organized crime operations group. 85 people, mostly analysts, case officers and the cia had about at any given time 15 to 20 fbi agents analysis on trade analysts. zero was very successful. we with regard to human trafficking internationally actually did two renditions of that program for major international human others working together. 9/11 happens two months after 9/11 no longer exists. it is gone because we have to address counterterrorism. so everybody do this because this is the top priority of the government. then wait a minute, what about this? everything goes here. we need to keep as a policymaker level in this requires advocacy at the law enforcement and intel community level to maintain a balanced approach to this. that's mentioned is exactly true. organized crime has to be everything from the bank robberies in cigarette smuggling to the public corruption that requires it to a variety of other criminal activity. but we need to maintain a balance. this idea that policymakers that we can take the resources

who in your family works for the cia? who's the government agent? i was like, no one, i'm just, i'm just curious. so slowly i -- so part of it was -- the first day that she called me, my husband and i had been trying to get pregnant, and it had been a long process. that morning i had taken a pregnancy test and found out i was pregnant, so i was overjoyed. and before i could even wake up my husband to tell him, madam nhu is calling me on the phone. [laughter] so part of this, i think, making her -- getting her humanity out was i told her early on, you know, that this had happened and the sort of coincidence, and right away she was like, oh, it's not coincidence, it's a sign from god, right? this is meant to be. so there was this -- and then it developed into a very sort of maternal thing. she would always call and ask ant -- about the children, and we would really get into the nitty-gritty of motherhood. madam nhu breast-fed eachover her children for at least six months, she told me, and she was very precise about all of those things that i wouldn't

he says no, we have the cia in pakistan and pakistan is important. he tries to be as kind to pakistan as possible. if pakistan cuts off aid he says okay we will try to get american aid. and then in 1968 he finally says you know, i thank my decision to support pakistan, i think i made mistakes. nixon is the only one who is unabashedly pro-pakistan in the infamous 1971 war against opinion based on the assumption that pakistan is america's highly and that the soviet ally wins then america, despite american help india did win and america was accused of supporting pakistan's genocide of benghazi. fast-forward, president reagan gets involved with the jihad in afghanistan and that's a project that started long before americans support came. it wasn't an american project and it was a pakistani project supported by the u.s.. the cia provided the arms but the isi that pakistani intelligence ran the operation. but towards the end come when george herbert walker bush becomes president he realizes that some of the jihadi groups that were trained primarily in afgh

during the time, we had an organization at cia headquarter called the organized crime operations group. 85 people had about 15 at any given time 15 to 20 fbi we actually in the organized crime program with regard to human trafficking internationally did two renner dedication in the program for major international human smugglers working together. 9/11 happens. two month after 9/11 that no longer exists. it's gone. because we have to address counterterrorism. everybody do this. it's the top priority of the government. wait a minute. everything over here. we need keep at the policy maker level. it requires advocacy at the law enforcement and intel community level to maintain a balanced approach to this. what was mentioned was exactly true. the focus on organized crime has to be everything from the bank robbery and cigarette smuggling to the public corruption requires is to a variety of other criminal activity. but we need to maintain a balance. because e thought criminal programs don't matter. you are find bank fraud. who needs that. many of the thicks that became too min call to get the

nothing resembling the cia that would not come for years so that gathering to return harvard classmates it was very bad hockey and very anecdotal but there was growing pressure whether he intended to run for a third term. no president had never successfully run. only to try to use e president greeted and his hero, fdr's hero, a teddy roosevelt and neither succeeded. that he would not say if the press ask a question put on the dunce cap and go steve in the quarter. with the gridiron dinner the press relentlessly went after him with an 8-foot tall papier-mache nobody laughed harder than ft i doubt it is part of the museum matt hyde park. there are two major story lines with the war in europe and will he run? these are intertwined and remained so for most of the story. the real war begins may 1940 when hitler invades the fellow countries and france falls quickly britain is taking by a thread every reason to believe hitler will invade the british isles he issues in order to that effect. it is everybody's assumption that britain could go down but he does everything he can to bolster the unit

he allowed a real investigation of some of the cia officers. that's a place and then was closed without any additional prosecutions. so i think at the moment there is no -- it does not seem to be a vehicle at the moment that is moving in that direction are trying to investigate those issues, but president obama did sign an order banning what -- the techniques that were included in some of the programs the vice-president cheney and president bush had authorized. >> since the end of the bush administration, how many times have the chaneys and the bushes -- >> not very many. two publications together. president bush broke ground on his library. then again when it opened just this last april. besides that they had, i think, a private dinner at one point, but otherwise it don't really get to and talked. it is not friendly. i asked president cheney about this during one of our interviews. look, we were never buddies. it was a professional relationship. we did not socialize. it was a professional relationship. ♪ what a lot connolly's a rice? what ro

had nothing to do with japanese radicalism, and what it was was somebody was hustling somebody in the cia or something, and they translated this thing, and someone translated it back, and it was gibberish by the time i read it. so people have gotten their files, we'll say they're often disappointed, it's kind of boring and everything. well, that's no longer the case. now you have this massive amount of information, and it can be gone through in minutes. certainly realtime. and you can track everything. and so that's one big factor, the fact that we have these supercomputers and the fact that people voluntarily give up a tremendous amount of information. with the new apple, you'll give up a fingerprint. it would have been a wet dream for a hitler or a stalin, get the fingerprint be of every single person in the country and connect that with every book they buy and every movie they see and the connection with all of their friends and every phone call and e-mail. so you have this incredible ability to identify the individual, their tastes, their habits, their religion, their optics, their fr

and the warren commission reports the fbi and the cia hid certain things. they didn't want the public to know. how could they have not known about oswald that he got this battalion mail order rifle. the guy was a nutcase and had been in the soviet union. why didn't they know about his whereabouts? they were very defensive and i think the warren commission report in some ways whitewashed or omitted the failings of the fbi in the but the basic conclusion is correct. i think the most extensive work on this is by anthony bugliosi, 1650 pages. it's an encyclopedia with all these conspiracy ideas and yet they thrive. i looked the other day at amazon and my new book was among the hardcover sellers there. it was number three. the two books that if it were conspiracies, assassination books. and i really don't deal with the assassination. i just feel it's sort of being a dead horse. >> audience members want to know what kennedy have -- if he would have had a second term? >> i think unquestionably. when he pulled the civil rights bill before congress he and bobby were

of the cia. but they really did believe that the cia had been melted down to, basically, a debased society under the clinton administration. and they felt that the military's covert unit would be the best weapon that the u.s. could use in a discreet global secret war. and so they injected jsoc with steroids. and general stanley mcchrystal ran jsoc for much of the bush era, and they began operating what was effectively a global hunting organization. and they weren't hunting deer, they were hunting people. and they did their own interrogation. they have their own secret prisons. it was a whole parallel apparatus to what the cia had traditionally had sovereign realm other. >> host: how did you get involved in this line of work? >> guest: purely by accident. i went to university thinking i wanted to be a middle schoolteacher. and i discovered very soon after i got to the university what it meant to be on academic probation. i was a terrible student. so if i'm a horrible student, i don't know how i'm

so we did the main collaboration with the secret service and the cia collaborating and you could see that positions of the bodies were such that a shot going downward had hit something in the car and it was a simpleminded question that we kept asking until finally the possible answer was a single bullet to the damage and we have experts in the u.s. army who could conduct experiments, excuse the impact using the animal flesh, which directory it had on the president, what it would have when it exited the president's body. and this includes this had to go somewhere. so that is why based upon the positions of positions of the body from the come the wounds, the evidence, all of them confirm the existence of a single bullet. so it is my view and i stand here representing the staff come out alive and deceased, numbers of the commission, and there was no other fair-minded and rational explanation except this single bullet theory. >> thank you. >> hello. i suspect i'm in the minority in saying that i was born after kennedy was assassinated. [laughter] so i'm interested in knowing what the gen

he took the assistance director position in this last may after more than three decades in the cia he testified before the full committee on security clearance issues last month, and i thank you for your service, and i thank you, again, for joining us today. tim curry, the deputy associates director for partnership and labor relations in the office of personnel management. he's responsible for opm's effort to have government-wide programs for labor and employee relations. prior to the current position, he was the executive director of the labor management in the employees relations in the department of defense. tim, thank you for being here and getting through the traffic to be here. brenda, the director of defense capabilities at the management team in the government accounting office, a post she's held since 2007. she's responsible for gao oversight, of military and civilian personnel issues, and has worked extensively on the personnel security clearance program. she testified before the subcommittee in june about the lack of clearly defined policy and procedures needed to consisten

who in your family works for the cia? who is a government agent? no one. i'm just curious. slowly, so part of it was the first day that she called me. my husband and i have been trying to get pregnant. it had been a long process. that morning i had taken a pregnancy test and found out i was pregnant, so i was overjoyed. but if i could wake up and has been to tell him, madame nhu is calling me on the phone. part of this is make into her -- getting her humanity out with i told her early on, you know, this had happened in this coincidence in right away she was like it's not a coincidence. it's a sign from god that is meant to be. so there was this bastion then it developed into a sort of maternal thing. she would always call and ask about the children in lieu of really get into the nitty-gritty of motherhood. madame nhu each of her children for at least six months she told me. she was very precise about all of those things. i wouldn't imagine the dragon lady to be peered >> before we get to the dragon lady narrative, i am curious how many people in the audience know who she is

two months ago michael hayden, foreigner director of nsa and head of cia gave a speech saying, quote, g-mail is the preferred interpret service provider of terrorists worldwide. that's a verbatim quote according to the "washington post," and it seems to me that if the former head of the cia and the nsa doesn't think it's a problem to let everyone know that terrorists just belove g mail, then why do you think a company-by-company disclosure threatens national security? he evidently doesn't. >> a couple of thoughts on that, to my knowledge, general hayden didn't talk to us before making those statements. i don't know that we would have authorized that statement to be made. i don't know what was done there. the point is that if we allow the companies on an annual basis to publish these statistics, it's going to simply provide additional information out there as new companies come online and pop up, you may have a company that, for example, for a period of years shows no orders and then shows orders, and that conveys a message that says, oh, we've got the capability to collect this now. .

publication of a veryhisticat sophisticated publications saying for a gatt lyndonlyndon j johnson or the cia are fidel castro because they were so an upset what he did to vanupset ow korean.ad. so there was a few little bumps.bombshes that >> your turn. questions. please approached the microphone. >> once we get a couple of brave souls. couplef >> i am sorry you have to do this.thank >> will come back.yo you are such a jury. nvemb where were you in 1960? >> i was too young first of all,. the [laughter] they brought me into repair but i stayed in two yearsthat i elected 80 a because the wayidi. the olympic ski team he news as much about education ready figured if he took all the kids that the courts hadts ruled out of the states st because they were such trouble makers rememberbo "mommie dearest"? girls. i had said to crawford girls. [laughter]theyere they were to of the nicest. , now i have 96 hysterical teenagers.i et hysterical. y all in the auditorium and by age friday in the tears areo co coming down my eyes.mingto i played a lot of professional sports i got into fights but that was spor

in his 33 years in the cia when we had so many front-burner national security issues. i won't go on about it. but just a brief list cyber proliferation, terrorism, syria, russia, china, iran, north korea, keeping alliances together makes the point that things are not getting any easier. i think the second essential fact we face tight defense budgets as far as the eye can see. the truth is we have dug ourselves a deep hole of debt. we hope the economy improves. we need to reform entitle element programs which is where most of the spending is. we need to find a way to get our fiscal house in order without. we need more stability and funding because the disruptions caused by the uncertainty that we face are undermining every attempt to improve the system and costing us dearly. the point i want to make is if all of that stuff is solved in the way i want it to, i know of no scenario that envisions a return to large defense budget increases short of some sort of catastrophic event that none of us want to see. even in the best case scenario, we have to face a dangerous compli

attorneys were going to prosecute and oversee the prosecution, who show up at langley and say, hi, cia, open your books. we want to see do this. we want to see what have you to the fbi, sources of method. well, they're welcome would soon work out when they did it. and rightfully so. so you to competing interest in our system, the right of a defendant to know what the government did to him or her, and why. and how. and win. and on the other hand the need for our intelligence agencies to protect the very sources of methods they need to ensure our national security. it was not resolve completely in the late '90s. it was not resolved by the patriot act. and i don't think fundamentally that part will ever completely be resolved. it's a very difficult issue, and fortunately for us, terrorist organizations and organized crime organizations are out the world have not formed the allegiance that we thought they might, thankfully. and in terms of cybercrime, some of the groups perpetrating cybercrime, the leaders, the gangsters are old-fashioned. their autocratic. some cases just plain stupid whe

the cia is listening in pakistan and because pakistan is important. he tries to be as kind to pakistan as possible and when the congress cut off the aid he says we will try to get you the american tanks. and then he finally says to his team i think my decision to support pakistan -- i think i went overboard and made mistakes, you know. mixing is the only one that is unabashedly pro- pakistan and supports pakistan and the infamous 1971 war against the global opinion. based on the assumption that pakistan is america's ally in indiana soviet ally and the allied wins and america is humiliated but guess what despite the american health, india did win and they were accused of supporting pakistan's genocide. move fast forward. president reagan was involved in the jihad in afghanistan and that is a project that was started long before the american support. if there wasn't an american project was a pakistani project supported by the u.s. they provided the guns, but the isi, the rand operation. but towards the end, george herbert walker bush becomes president a

conclusion, because the minute kennedy was souths the first thing bobby did was call the head of the cia and say, did one of your guys do that? and he sent an investigator, organized crime, teamsters, never found anything. this is what i think. if people -- look, if some day some guy walks in with evidence and says, it was the teamsters, organized crime, the exiles, it was castro, who certainly had a motive. kennedy tried to kill him several times. rogue agents in the intelligence. roger stone, the political black arts guy. the republican, going to dallas on november 22nd to, quote, prove lyndon johnson killed him. what i think is this. it doesn't seem right that so consequential an act could have come at the hands of so insignificant a twerp as as polled. a loser, wife-beater, couldn't keep a job. went to the soviet union, came back, was thinking about going again, delusions of grandure, did try to kill major general walker with the save rifle he killed john kennedy later. jackie kennedy said, how could that have been? an insignificant guy like this guy, a nothing. it's much more satisf

cia reports that fall, spoke of soviet hard-liners discontent with the present direction of soviet policy and soviet moves aimed at a relaxation of tensions. "the new york times" reported the 1963 general assembly had experienced the most harmonious start since the first session in london in january 1946. at that session when soviet foreign minister gromyko visited the u.n. in september, secretary of state dean rusk and inform them that kennedy wanted to build on the success of the test ban treaty and suggested they have a private discussion of how this could occur. so they took a drive to the suburbs and walked along a road without interpreters. once they were alone, rusk told gromyko that kennedy wanted to reduce the size of u.s. forces in europe, news that would have dismayed america's nato allies. it was an offer, or make a later wrote that quote, seized our attention. and, finally, in kennedy's speech now long forgotten speech to u.n. general assembly on september 20, he began by praising a detente saying today the clouds have lifted, and then he sprang his surprise. saying that in t

but in very sophisticated publications saying forget lyndon johnson and the cia and fidel castro and they were so upset over what fidel castro dead. so we have a few little bombshells that we throw in there. >> your turn, please. >> once we have a couple of brave souls breaking the ice. >> hello. >> hello, welcome back and thank you. you are a joy and i think you're. >> thank you. >> where were you on november november 22? >> i was the headmaster of the worst private school in england. maybe in the united states, iranian to save this in vermont that i stayed two years like an idiot. and an olympic skier near this much about education and he figured if he took all of these kids that the courts have ruled out of their states because -- do you remember the book mommy dearest? i had to gropper girls. anyway, and they were two of the nicest ones. and i get 96 hysterical teenagers and i've done them all and i'm trying to comment and tears are coming to my eyes and this has been a surprise. and i have never hit another human being except that day. when everyone is there and it is worse and

the code organized by the cia and the british to overthrow most of the deck was a huge mistake, which consequences are evident at that today and this is part of the lit any of every discussion with iranian government. this is reviewed and commented upon and understandably so. madeline albright as secretary of state dealt with that issue by saying in her view it was a mistake. but it -- we're living with the consequences now. we understand that. and the iranians understand it even better than we do. so that is part of the historical background, and we want to move on from that point to a recognition there's -- there are better ways of dealing with our oil problems than overthrowing governments and perhaps we've learned that lesson. >> another speaker wants to jump in. otherwise we'll move ton another question. this woman over here. [inaudible] >> thank you. [inaudible] i have a comment and question to -- patrick. my comment is the debate about a program. [inaudible] when you hear the voice of the people iranian people and why these -- why is -- in iran -- [inaudible] and my question is

they have a legacy of ashes and the history of the cia. and this was given to angela roberts for the history of the english-speaking peoples since 1900. she recounted her family's immigration to the united states on booktv. >> it was difficult to register an emotional voicebox, but uncle frank said he thought he was caught up in something he had no way of understanding and it is not true, they can put you in prison, you have a visa and you have papers. did you tell them how long we had been coming here. uncle frank asked uncle joseph to put the officer on the phone again and he is going to call, the officer said. he can't, heat 81 years old, he is an old man. uncle frank been asked if he could speak to my uncle one last time. cbp officers said we are to have a translator for him and hung up. at 11:00 p.m., but uncle was given chips and soda and again in 1145, he signed a form saying that his personal property was returned to him. this includes the money plus the wristwatch and i received my phone call and that 4:20 a.m., my own was transpo