recently president obama and our colleague at nbc sports, bob costas both said if they had a young son now, they would steer them away from playing football. >> yeah. and then last night an ugly incident in the nfl's national thursday night game, after ripping the helmet off an opponent, an indianapolis colt head-butts the helmetless player. unbelievable. add it all up and you have a league that has high-end sponsors with a growing image problem. joining us to talk more about it is vi, former nfl player and now sports director and patrick, sports contributor for forbes. thank you for joining us. >> good to be with you. >> how badly has the nfl's image been hurt over these recent controversies? >> maria, from the moment one arrives in the national football league, they tell you, you've got to protect god, country and the shield. the shield, all of us who played in the nfl often refer to the nfl in admiration, sometimes cynically the shield because that's the logo of the nfl. they don't want to do anything that would besmirch the image of the league. i'm telling you, they're in damage co