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community as black officers and as blacks. we have that dual burden, if you will, in today's society. we can close it. i think we've had in new york a i'm shannon bream in for relatively quiet period of time chris wallace. since those murders, not without three shootings in three days highlight tensions between law controversy of certain incidents enforcement and race. now the country looks for a way but we can close it. we must close it. and we close it by forward. collaboration, by seeing this as a shared responsibility, not us this is not who we want to against them, police against be as americans. >> do not let this week community. in a democracy police are the precipitate a new normal in this community. country. they come from the community. >> hands up, don't shoot. in new york city the majority of >> protests in cities across the my officers live in this city country as two incidents and i have significant minority involving plaque men shot and killed by police. representation. we have a minority majority police department in this then -- minority majority city. a sniper takes deadly aim at >> as you said listening to each other not talking past each law enforcement in dallas. other, especially at a time like >> he pressed killing white officers. this. critical and i think that's he expressed anger for black something people across the board can agree on, mr. lives matter. commissioner bratton, mr. >> we will ask former secretary, we thank you both. philadelphia police commissioner charles ramsey about the >> thank you. >> thank you. relationship between police and up next, the reverend jessie minority communities, discuss the president's response with jackson joins us to discuss the
racial divide and the homeland security secretary jeh president's response. we'll bring in our sunday group johnson and new york city police to discuss the aftermath. commissioner bill bratton and plus, what would you like to ask the panel about how to heal then talk to the reverend jesse jackson about the racial divide the divide between minority communities and law enforcement? in america. just go to facebook or then -- there is too much violence, too much hate. twitter @foxnewssunday. >> a brutal attack on our police we may use your question on the air. force is an attack on our country. >> the presidential candidates respond. we'll speak to key supporters on both sides about the impact on 2016. plus we'll ask our sunday panel about the clinton e-mail fallout. all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello, again, from fox news in washington. a weekend of protests across the country as tensions remain high following the shooting ambush that killed five police officers in dallas. in the aftermath of the police-involved shootings of two black men in louisiana and minnesota. overnight in st. paul officers used smoke bombs to clear crowds blocking a section of i-95
protesting the death of philando castile and also protests over the shooting of alton sterling. and the president overseas on his first visit to spain, he will return early to washington in response to the crisis. this hour we will speak with prominent law enforcement and civil rights leaders about how the country can heal, but we begin with william la jeunesse live in dallas with the latest from there. william. >> reporter: shannon, let me show you some video that illustrates just how often edge police are here and around the country. last night around 6:00 p.m. police received information that a man had breached a secure police parking garage. dpd responded with two s.w.a.t. teams, a helicopter, snipers, they locked down headquarters and cleared several blocks although the search of that structure came up empty. also last night shots were fired at police headquarters in san antonio. in st. louis on friday, georgia and tennessee african-americans allegedly fires at officers in retaliation they said for those
controversial shootings in minnesota and baton rouge. as for the investigation here, police believe 25-year-old micah johnson acted alone, formerly with the army reserve he was discharged last year after a complaint of sexual harassment. in the search of his home police found a ballistic vest, rifles, ammunition and a manual on combat tactics which he did use here. while not affiliated with any organization he did attend meetings of the new black panther party which experts say is a racist hate group. also here police are defending their innovative use of a robot to kill johnson, blowing him up with a pound of c-4 explosives. now, a candlelight memorial is planned for tomorrow night at city hall. two officers were released yesterday from the hospital, officer misty mcbride remains hospitalized, but she will recover. shannon. >> william la jeunesse in when people are armed with powerful weapons, unfortunately dallas, thank you. joining me now charles it makes attacks like these more
ramsey, former police deadly and more tragic. commissioner in philadelphia. mr. ramsey, welcome back to "fox >> now is definitely not the time to get political. news sunday." >> thank you. now is the time to use logic and >> following the shooting death ask ourselves why do we have a of michael brown in ferguson you were named to co-chair the constitution? why do we have a second president's task force on 21st amendment. century policing. >> dr. ben carson a donald trump have we made progress in the surrogate calling out president interim? >> yeah, i think we've made a obama on his renewed push for lot of progress. first of all, we did publish a gun control in the aftermath of report, we presented it to the dallas. >> joining me now from chicago president, he accepted it and the founder and president of the the report was published and we rainbow push coalition reverend have close to 60 recommendations jessie jackson. on an almost 90 action steps. welcome to "fox news sunday." >> good to talk with you today. it is a solid roadmap toward there's lots of pain in the country. i've been in touch the last few creating the kind of change we days with people in minnesota, need in policing in order to bridge the gap that currently the woman who witnessed the killing of her boyfriend and the exists. >> do you see that closing or do you feel that we're more divided family in baton rouge and in than ever right now? texas we offer condolences to them and we hope we will choose >> well, certainly there is a reconciliation over retaliation gap. there is no question about that. and revenge. >> reverend, are you confident whether or not it's more or less remains to be seen, but this is in having talked with those people and some of the officials all fixable, but as long as we as well that the investigations as they've been announced are continue to listen to extremes going to be thorough and trans on both sides and we don't patient and give us some
engage in serious thoughtful answers? >> well, immediately the governors in louisiana and in discussion that really results in solutions to our problems so that there's not two sides to minnesota moved quickly, they engaged the department of the issue, there's only one and justice and the fbi. that is safe neighborhoods in which there's also a sense of that has not been in case, there justice and fairness for the is such a backlog of these people who reside in those killings of blacks without any neighborhoods and for the police consequences. officers that work in those rodney king was beaten and was on camera and the full police neighborhoods. that's the goal. and i think we're working toward walked away, the other shot in new york in the back by police, it, but unfortunately we this he walked away, trayvon continue to have some issues martin the killer walked away, arise. >> in reacting to the shooting brown, ferguson the killer deaths of those five officers in walked away. there is a backlog of pain and dallas the president had this to say on his travels in poland. somehow we must look at the issue of violence on the one >> part of what's creating hand, which is almost a diversion to the issue of poverty and racial disparities. tensions between communities and we must not just focus on the the police is the fact that police issue. poverty and racial -- figure out police have a really difficult in this tough season here how to choose reconciliation over time in communities where they retaliation and revenge. >> reverend, you mentioned know guns are everywhere. so if you care about the safety several high profile cases there. the facts in some of those cases of our police officers, then you they were thoroughly investigated by federal and
can't set aside the gun issue state authorities. some of those officers were and pretend that that's cleared, other officers have been indicted are facing murder irrelevant. charges in current pending cases >> and that issue is one that continues to percolate here in or have been convicted. there are investigations, it's washington, on capitol hill, across the country. not as if those weren't investigated at all. i know that you have been >> here in chicago, for example, heavily involved in chicago, you've been most recently an in that case one man was indicted, seven, eight police adviser both formally and saw it and filed false reports. informally to the department there, you know it's a city with that's the kind of pattern. that is a breakdown. some of the toughest gun laws i hope that there will be real yet there are 20 feet that have conference now on racial been shot, 300 of them have disparities and violence and died. are more gun control laws the poverty because police are simply the gatekeepers. answer, will they solve these problems? >> well, listen, this is a beneath the rule of police on complicated issue and there's no the firing edge spreads the one thing that's going to be the access to healthcare and housing and jobs. magic bullet to fix the problem. that agenda gets lost arguing we need to be able to take a about good and bad police. we certainly hope that this comprehensive look at what's going on in our communities, we killing and this violence will need a comprehensive look at the stop. >> you have said that you think donald trump at least in part entire criminal justice system. has contributed to a very there hasn't been such a review divisive mood in this country. of the entire system since 1965. you called part of that an anti-glad mood. i want to play a little bit of i mean, obviously things have what he said in response to the changed. and we need to look at not only shootings and events of last few
the criminal justice system but days and then get your reaction. need to look at these >> a brutal attack on our police communities where we have problems with crime and violence force is an attack on our and unfortunately a lot of gun country and an attack on our crime. so, yeah, sensible gun laws can families. help but that by itself is not the deaths of all ton sterling going to solve the problem. we have to take a more in louisiana and philando comprehensive approach if we castile in minnesota also make want to solve these problems. >> you recently retired as chief clear how much more work we have of police in philadelphia, of to do to make every american course, the dnc will be there in feel that their safety is a few weeks, i'm sure there have been preparations and planning protected. months and years in advance of >> reverend, what do you make of his remarks? >> well, those significant that. i want to read what the deputy remarks i submit to you when you police chief in cleveland who is overseeing the rnc component had do the birther movement on the to stay after the shooting debts president which is an in dallas. anti-black, the anti-mexican, he said, quote, we have got to the deportation of 15 million make some changes without a people, of families, disruption, doubt. how concerned are you about these two cities being targets anti-muslim. that kind of rhetoric has head for bad actors, domestic actors to seed these clouds. or someone inspired by a group i hope mr. trump will maintain like isis. >> hopefully we don't have any the level of rhetoric that we problems at the rnc or dnc, but just now heard. >> the president yesterday speaking in poland said he obviously right now everyone is on edge. doesn't think that the country i'm certain that departments is deeply as divided as some across the country, not just those that are hosting these people do. there are some on the right who conventions are looking at all say he could have done more as of their protocols, all of their
the first black president to procedures to make sure that our officers remain safe, to make further racial reconciliation. here is a bit of what former sure that the citizens that we protect can remain safe. house speaker newt gingrich and this is a very volatile time possible trump vp pick had to say. right now and we have to be very >> we are in the eighth year of a president who could have brought us together. a president who could have cautious, very careful, take whatever precautions we need to be able to take, but i also worked in the african-american think that we don't need to community to make people feel better about themselves. exaggerate the situation to a a president who could have offered visionary changes in the point where we just further policies that have failed for alienate ourselves from the the last 50 years and he didn't people that we serve. do any of that. there are always threats out >> reverend, has the president there, police officers face missed a golden opportunity on those threats every single day. this issue? i think it's a good move to take whatever added precautions you >> every time he has made the can take, but everyone is not move even to have a out to harm police and i think we need to keep that in mind. reconciliation between dr. gates and the police in boston he has >> mr. ramsey, thank you so much for joining us today. met great rejection. now they're saying he should have done more. >> thank you. the fact is in a city like chicago, for example, joining me now is new york unemployment in the black community is around 20% for city police commissioner bill adults, 35% for youth, they bail bratton and homeland security secretary jeh johnson. jeh, welcome back to "fox news out the banks, public schools, sunday." >> thanks, shannon. >> commissioner, given the events of this past week i want to start by asking you how the
men and women serving on the there is a deep divide. we need a plan for streets for the nypd, what's the reconstruction and redevelopment mood, how are they feeling? and i hope that -- police are >> well, i think like the rest the gatekeepers but behind that of america policing the rest of gate are these problems of disparities and injustice. america hearts and prayers certainly go out to our >> and in mentioning those the president has been the president colleagues in dallas, all that for almost eight years now. they've dealt with and all that they're continuing to deal with. these are happened under his administration, some of its we've been there in new york, we had two of our detectives cumulative from previous murdered back in 2014, december administrations, but with him being in the white house seven and a half years where do you 2014, and i remember the pain of point the finger for knows problems that you blame, unemployment and other issues? that. so what dallas is dealing with >> i'm not sure the finger is, you know, almost, you pointing -- for example, when he know -- almost impossible to first came into office -- there imagine, except it happened. we don't have to imagine, it have been a net gain of jobs happened. >> and now the investigation to learn more about the shooter every month since he has been president. 20 million have health insurance continues. who did not have it before and mr. secretary, you had said that micah johnson didn't appear to millions more would have affordable healthcare if it were be aligned with any particular not being blocked, for example. group. it appears that his facebook it would have helped black and page may have had likes for white a light. certain groups. there has been a conversation fast rail was blocked by the that he had some link to a black congress and so i think we would panthers group in houston do better if all of us were to briefly. that did not end well. see this as a humanity issue and can you tell us anything more about his motivations or what not make it ideological. you've learned? i think all of us can do more >> well, the investigation is
and at this stage must do more ongoing, it's still relatively because these are military style early. everything we know about this weapons on the streets. this thing could get much individual is being investigated, uncovered and i uglier. there is fear, police in fear, suspect we are going to know a lot more in a couple days. it does appear that he was a people if are in fear, children single shooter, the lone are fear, but fear and hate must shooter. not drive our agenda, love and we do not see any affiliation hope and healing must drive the with any international terrorist agenda. >> i agree with you on that organization like isil or al point but it's important to note as well military style weapons qaeda, but the investigation does continue. if you're talking about machine we do know what he told the guns are illegal for the most part and i think it's a hostage negotiator just before he was killed, that he wanted to distinction we need to make when we talk about that. kill white people. >> in texas there's ak-47 schlt. that he especially wanted to kill white police officers. i think that's almost a quote they can bring that on coming from chief brown. airplanes. it is irrational to me to have we're going to know a lot more about this individual in the military-style weapons. coming days. the other thing i'd like to say, no defense against them. when this guy who was trained in shannon, is within federal law the military unleashes with his enforcement i have literally training these guns, he could tens of thousands of law not be stopped. enforcement officers working for that could happen in front of a us in the department of homeland ball game or a church or a security and at a time like this theater. we must know that more guns make we all stand together, we all us less safe, not more safe and mourn, we all grieve for these not more secure. five fallen heroes in dallas, >> reverend, with all respect if
just as we do every time a law reports are correct that that shooter in texas was using an enforcement officer is killed in ar-15 it's not an automatic the line of duty, whether at the weapon, it couldn't bring down local level or the federal an airplane. there is a discussion about guns level. >> and certainly there can be to be had and sounds like this great unity in that time in that administration wants to continue having that. grief and in those connections. >> i submit if someone was commissioner, there's clearly a lot of pain, there is a divide. sitting in an airport -- there are weapons in the streets that planes taking off or landing can that's just the practicalities, be hit and be taken down. the realities of what we're as we fight for weapons of mass dealing with. what are the best way or ways destruction to be eliminated we must eliminate them ourselves. that you are endeavoring and >> conversation will continue. that you recommend law we appreciate your time today, enforcement to endeavor to close sir. this gap between law enforcement officers and minority groups who thank you. >> thank you. feel, you know, mistreated, and it is time now for our sunday group, fox news senior misunderstood? they don't trust officers, in political analyst brit hume, fact, they often view them as susan page from "usa today," the enemy. >> well, going back to the karl rove and fox new political experience of december 2014, analyst juan williams. that murder of two of my welcome. juan, where are we right now? has things gotten better or are detectives, in terms of bridging they getting worse? the gap, trying to close the >> well, obviously, i mean, i gap, we've been doing a lot of think, you know, the fact that i'm sitting here as part of this work in new york over these past two years on training of panel, you know, i don't think my dad would be here so we're officers, deescalation talking, you know, over 50
years. depends where you want to judge techniques, hundreds upon hundreds of meetings with it, shannon. community leaders and community i think at the moment i just groups. the idea of seeing each other, feel so sad. the idea of hearing each other, i think the whole country is not talking past each other and sort of grieving right now after dallas and especially after watching those two videos from with just rhetoric but actually meaningful conversation. minnesota and louisiana because there is a place for demonstrations certainly but the social media kind of takes there's also much more of a need you right into it and even in for dialogue, collaboration. dallas the social media of i applaud the naacp here in new watching the police have to deal and a man standing over a york, for example, which has been holding a series of policeman and shooting repeatedly in that manner, that community meetings. i applaud the efforts of the kind of hatred, it just -- it head of my guardian's just shocks the system and it makes you think, gosh, you know, association, detective u self race in this country as you suggested by your question we hahm who is calling his members are in a bad place. so the request he is how do you stop this cycle of violence and together for dialogue and they are going to go out to the hate? how do we get out of it? i think we've had some -- i just want to say from my perspective to hear paul ryan the speaker of the house say, do you know what, we can do better than this and we cannot just tap into the predictable script of saying hatred and pointing fingers. i thought that was so important. i thought it was so important for newt gingrich to come out
and say so many white people don't understand the added risk that comes with being black and being stopped by police in this country. i was very appreciative to hear that and to move away even by donald trump from the idea i'm going to blame the other side and make this into a racial situation. >> and we asked folks to write in -- to be part of this discussion today on twitter richard says why are race relations in america at an all time low after electing our first black president seems would be better. jay asks which candidate would of a better shot at healing the racial divide and how do you get black males to trust police and vice versa. >> one place we doesn't go and that is not turn this into a gate about gun control. i was taken aback gk butter field after castile and sterling lost their lives his immediate response was to say if we fail to act and have a full debate on gun control this will be a long,
hot summer. the only kind of gun control issue that was involved in the deaths of sterling and castile was the guns in the hands of the police. and so unless the argument is we ought to disarm the police, this is not connected with gun control. there's no gun measure -- nobody is saying let's take away everybody's gun. there is no gun measure that's been proposed that would have kept these incidents from happening. i would say this, first of all, i agree with juan about newt gingrich and particularly paul ryan and i also want to thank you for what you said. i happened to catch what you said about -- which is something i think every american needs to understand -- you having to have a conversation with your two sons about what to do if they came into contact with police officers. and i don't want to be overly critical of the president, but when he said it's very hard to untangle the motives of the shooter. i will leave that to psychologists and people who study these kinds of incidents. it would have been far better
for this dialogue if he said a man who declares his intention to kill white people, especially white police officers is a man engaged in hate and you cannot confront something unless you're willing to call it by its in a i'm. >> much more to discuss with the panel. we will take a quick break. when we come up -- coming back, we will talk about the impact on the campaign trail of this whole conversation. hillary clinton outlining what she would do to end the violence and the hate in the wake of these incidents all across this country. plus, as clinton's vp choices narrow we will talk to one possible pick about the challenges she faces heading into the general election. stick around.
criminal justice reforms to save lives and make sure all americans are treated equally and right and dignity. >> we must stand in solidarity with law enforcement which we must remember is the force between civilization and total chaos. hillary clinton and donald trump with measured tones in response to this week's tragic events. both candidates canceling political events friday as the shootings weigh on the campaign trail. joining me now key advocates for both candidates, both mentioned as possible vp picks,
the labor secretary thomas perez representing clinton and alabama senator jeff sessions a top trump advisory. welcome to "fox news sunday." >> great to be here in my
personal capacity, shannon. >> let's talk about what president clinton meaning a president hillary clinton, would do. how she would tackle these issues we're dealing with and mistrust in the community, this violence. how do you go about that? >> i've spent more than a decade at the justice department under republican and democratic administrations on these issues. hillary clinton, i think, has learned so many of the lessons that are critically important. number one, the most important currency that a police officer has is the trust of the community. and that -- if you don't have trust then you can't police. so everything she is doing is focused around making sure we don't ask the wrong questions, and the wrong question is this: whose side are you on, are you on the police's side or are you on the community's side, that's a false choice. we are all in this together. her entire campaign has been about the fact that when we marshall the collective power of we and come together as a community around the reality that we have racial disparities in our criminal justice system and we also have very, very
challenging times for police officers, this is -- when we are all in this together, we when marshall that trust, when we engage the community, you had chief bratton on earlier today, i prosecuted an lapd officer pre rodney king when i was working in the bush one administration, that department had significant challenges. you fast forward now under chief bratton's leadership, the engagement of the community, the involvement of the department of justice things change
for the better. so the good news here, i understand the fear that so many people have and the mistrust and secretary clinton understands that when we bring people together, when we learn about how we can do things like, you know, deescalation training, when we understand and not talk past each other but talk together with each other, i think you can build trust. i saw it in los angeles fpd. i saw it in seattle, washington, i worked a lot with the police department there and secretary clinton understands that we can
do this as long as we marshall the collective power of we and don't talk past each other and don't create these false choices. >> all right. let's talk about some campaign issues. yesterday the formal announcement that mrs. clinton will pursue a public option for healthcare, some call it the government run option, it's a concept that she has been associated with in the past. senator bernie sanders issued a statement congratulating her on that. conservatives not as equally congratulatory on that. american rising said, desperate to win over the warren sanders crew that deep police di trusts her secretary clinton is adopting the most left wing views. there's nothing she won't do or say to fit into today's modern democratic socialist party. has the primary pulled her so far left she will have trouble in the general election. >> i think hillary clinton will do great in the general election. she has been fighting for healthcare her entire adult life. as first lady she took on the
healthcare industry to try to expand access to healthcare. she helped get the children's health insurance program passed. she wants to make sure that healthcare is a right, not a privilege in this country and i think the work that's been done under this president has brought us a tremendously far way but there's still unfinished business and what she's trying to do is continue that progress. >> this week the conclusion of the fbi e-mail investigation director comey saying that she and staffers were negligent and extremely careless. he did not recommend criminal prosecution. here is reaction from house oversight committee chair republican jason chaffetz. >> i think there is a legitimate concern that there is a double standard. if your name isn't clinton or you are not part of the powerful elite that lady justice will act differently. >> so how do you feel with the perception among some that mrs.
clinton got away with something? >> you know, what was interesting about this is when the investigation was under way i heard republicans praise director comey who, as you know, was the number two person at doj under the administration of george w. bush. and then when they reached their conclusion and it was the career folks there who were vigilant and independent, now they -- they have a different tune. and that hearing was rather interesting this week because what it really illustrated was exactly what we know, which is there was no criminal wrongdoing on secretary clinton's part. she made a mistake, she's acknowledged that and now, you know, they're continuing to hold those hearings and frankly those hearings really clarified what we know, which is that, again, there was no criminal wrongdoing and she shouldn't have done that and she acknowledged it was a mistake to do this. she acknowledges that she has to earn the trust back of, you know, many people who are wondering. and the thing is this is not the first time she has worked hard
to earn trust. when she ran for governor of new york, and i grew up in upstate new york, there were a lot of skeptics about hillary clinton. when she ran for. >> senate. >> nate of new york, sorry. there were a lot of skeptics in new york. she earned their trust and then she got ee elected. folks in places like upstate new york, she won them over because she was a workhorse, not a show horse. she worked with a lot of people in the senate who she had been in an adversarial relationship with when she was first lady and she was able to work bipartisan, whether it was with lindsey graham or john mccain on immigration, obviously with president obama. stuff campaign and then she earned his trust as well. so she looks forward to earning the trust of the american people. >> there are several contradictions in and inconsistencies that came up between what she said and what the director james comey said about the fact that there were classified e-mails that were found on her server that she didn't turn over all of her
work-related e-mails as she said. that these were marked at the time that she sent them, she did use multiple devices during her time as second that she denied. what do you do with those inconsistencies. >> actually the hearing which was obviously a partisan hearing i'm glad it took place because it cleared up a lot of those things. the issue of whether she had documents that were in fact classified. during that hearing director comey clarified that, in fact, there were -- there were three documents that had markings, but they didn't have the proper markings. so he said it would be -- it was -- it would be a reasonable inference for anyone to draw that those were not classified documents. so actually -- >> he did also say that there was so much material that someone as sophisticated as a former senator, a secretary of state should have known better. >> secretary clinton does not deny the fact that she made a mistake but she was getting materials from career officials at the justice department, at
the state department, people who know what they're doing and so she didn't second guess that and, again, the hearing clarified a lot of this. and so, you know, thanks to the republicans for that. the reality is, you know, we're now in a campaign cycle and she understands that she has to, again, earn the trust of people and, you know, i've seen hillary clinton up close and personal, the voters of new york saw her up close and personal and i often judge a person by what they did when they weren't in the spotlight and hillary clinton has spent her entire life breaking down barriers, whether it's for people with disabilities, the individuals with disabilities is a product and part of work she did in her 20s. the work she has done to break down barriers in education. all of those things i think cast a really important light on who she is. >> as somebody who sounds like a great advocate for her could you be her vp pick? >> i'll leave that to other
people. i'm working on my day job right now and i love my day job. my day job is about making sure that we expand opportunity for everywhere, we break down barriers. we've done a lot of work under this president and i've been out on the stump nor secretary clinton because i think she has a remarkable experience and temperament. as we've seen over the last few weeks these are -- these are turbulent times and they call for someone who has a steady hand who can bring people together and that's what she's done all her life. she understands that mexico is an ally, not an adversary. >> we have to leave it there. we'll see whether you are a formal addition to the ticket out on the campaign trail as well. thank you so much. >> always a pleasure. up next, donald trump has a tense meeting with republicans on capitol hill and meets with former rival ted cruz. we will discuss it with a key trump adviser, senator jeff sessions next. you're here to buy a car.
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joining me senator jeff sessions a top trump first responder adviser and possible running mate. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you, shannon. >> i want to start by getting your reaction to the last several days. >> it's so horrible and so discouraging and so dis spiriting. we have got great police officers all over the country, almost a million, and every day they are out there in dangerous situations, sometimes they make mistakes, but i will tell you there's nothing more needed in this country than to make sure that our poorer neighborhoods, our neighborhoods where minority citizens have police protection and they are able to walk on their streets and their children can play outside without fear and danger. in all of this we need to understand the true value of our police officer and the risks that they undertake. >> every single day. let's talk politics now. donald trump had a meeting with the gop senators this week, obviously you know all about that, you were there, there were heated moments i hear, it was pretty tense.
some of the conversation was about some of the controversial comments he has made over the last year and there was a statement from senator sasse. he said our country continues to believe our country is in a bad place and with these two candidates it remains a dumpster stage. 80% find mr. trump hot headed 83% say obnoxious. how did that meeting go? >> i think it went very well, senators, many of them told me how they thought it went well. that was a little exchange between a couple of the senators, not senator sasse, he spoke to donald trump, they spoke before the meeting and trump said something funny about him, you know, that they had a difference of opinion and he was a nice guy, but i thought that was all right and it was a kind of frank exchange you would look for. i believe what came out of it a policy spin or feeling. this is a series of meetings he
has been having and i think it's been working for him. >> okay. he has obviously run on the -- >> let me say one thing about his frankness and directness. this is a strong man. he is not a timid wallflower. the american people are seeing a refinement in his messaging, a more substantive messaging, and they see the strength, though, that they know that needs to be shown in washington to break the cycle that we are on, to turn this economy around, to help poor people get better wages instead of declining wages, which is what we're seeing and that's going to be what this election is about. who can fix this economy, who can put us on the right track. does it help poor african-americans to bring in more labor than we have and bring down wages as we've been seeing into this country? does it help them to have bad trade deals so that manufacturing plants are closed and wages aren't there? we have the highest -- almost double the unemployment rate
among young african-americans than we do among others. so we need to protect this economy, create -- have a strong leader who can break up this log jam in washington. >> and there's certainly so many people who that message resonates with, that very frank talk and those promises on those very hot issues. so it's clearly connecting with a lot of americans, not all of them, including mrs. clinton. this week she took on mr. trump's business record because it's something that he has emphasized in his run for the white house. here is a bit of what she said in atlantic city this week. >> he makes over the top promises and says if people trust him, put their faith in him he will deliver for them. he will make them wildly successful. then everything falls apart, people get hurt and donald gets paid. >> how will he respond to that on the campaign trail? >> he has been a highly successful businessman, but has invested in hundreds of businesses and some of them haven't been successful.
but most of them have. atlantic city sank the whole city went under basically. so i think donald trump is no doubt about it he is a successful businessman, he has traveled the world, he's invested around the world, he's so he fist kated in those ways in a way that hillary clinton has no idea on. she does not understand really how jobs are created, she has not created jobs in manufacturing and hotels and things around the world. so i think he clearly has the advantage there. >> okay. let's do a little vp talk because of course you've been on just about every short list out there. there's also an article i read over the weekend that you're pushing mr. trump to choose a general, somebody in the military that would be greatly reflected lieutenant general michael flynn has come up. what can you tell us? >> i have not pushed him to have a general. i have said something nice about general flynn, he was a defense intelligence commander, three-star general, he knows the
secret world of what's going on around the world mill fairliy. so i am a high friend of his and appreciate what he does. >> what about a vice president sessions? >> that will be decided by donald trump and he is going to decide it on who he thinks will be a good president, who he can work with, who can help him be a president. i've said that if he asks me to do that i would consider it and would be honored to be considered. >> okay. some people who don't know your bio or background may not know that you were a prosecutor for a long time. so i want to ask you about this hillary clinton e-mail case and play a little bit of what the fbi director, jim comey said about that summing up testifying before the house this week. >> she should have known not to do this with classified information. i think she was extremely careless, i think she was negligent, that i could establish. what we can't establish is that she acted with the necessary criminal intent. >> as a one time prosecutor is
that the end of it? is intent necessary? is there has been a dig debate about that with these potential statutory violations she has been accused of in the court of public opinion. >> i have not studied the facts but it does appear to me that she was aware that she should not use this system for classified information and the director says she was extremely careless. now, that's a very close to criminal intent. and there is a misdemeanor charge that requires less intent, they could have brought that ps pra. they did not use the grand jury where the witnesses are brought before the grand jury and asked on questions under oath on the record. that can make a -- strengthen a case, too. really the problem is hillary clinton. she is the one that pushed this for her own convenience and as the director said, this information could well be in the hands of our adversaries right now because that system was not secure and was easily penetrateable and we have the evidence that some of the systems were penetrated.
word cleared after the picture that was painted by director comey of his conduct was devastating. if you paucity any normal year, any normal set of circumstances and determine that one of the candidates has been extremely careless in the handling of classified information, that by itself would seem to be disqualifying, but in this year and in this moment it's not for her. so she remains the favorite to become president. it is a striking situation. moreover, there is the clear fact that the law that comey was talking about or the laws, the book that he was citing in his decision to recommend no prosecution, didn't quite support his claim which involved the question of intent. he said it was absent. normally that is a factor in the decision whether to prosecute, but there is a section of the law that we have all heard about all week that simply says gross
negligence, which is pretty close to extreme carelessness if you think about it and i suspect he chose the words extreme carelessness very carefully to try to draw a distinction which i don't think the law recognizes and i think a prosecution would have been an appropriate reasonable decision though he said that no reasonable prosecutor would do it. i think this is damaging to her. i don't think it's over. and on we go with a set of choices that most americans now find for president unsatisfactory. >> susan, there are so many other things going on here. jason chaffetz says early next week he will make a referral to the fbi for this investigation about whether she lied to congress. there's potentially an fbi investigation going into the clinton foundation going on. the state department is reopening its look into this whole thing. there are still shoes potentially left to drop. >> this controversy isn't over, we will be hearing about it from now until election day. i agree with brit not prosecutable is not the word's strongest campaign slogan you could run on.
think about the alternative if comey had said it was prosecutable, he was going to recommend criminal indictment of secretary clinton we would be in a et to he will different place, democrats would be debating whether to go ahead with her nomination in two weeks. she has averted a catastrophe, she has reinforced the doubts about her character, her honesty, transparency, trustworthiness that are her biggest single problem and she's made it i think more difficult for her to unite the nation. from the beginning of your show the discussion of these terrible shootings, you get this sense that americans feel so fractured and would really like to be drawn together and i think it is quite difficult for either hillary clinton or donald trump to be the figures in a position to do that. >> karl, how much will the vp pick matter on each side or won't it? >> it doesn't matter much. they have very little impact except in their home state. it will say much about the decision-making process of the candidate, what do they consider to be important in a running
mate. let me add to what susan and brit said. not only does it reinforce she is dishonest and untrustworthy, she loo id to us about every one of the major claims she made about this, but it also leaves the stench to the rules don't apply to her. if the next secretary of state came in and said i'm going to set up my own private server in my home and do exactly what hillary clinton did, do you think that the official washington line would be, go ahead and do it because that's your right just as it was for hillary clinton? soered naer americans are looking at this saying, do you know what, bill went and met with the attorney general, the fix it in. clinton has been endorsed by president obama, the even the attorney general admits it's a bad thing to have happen. a lot of ordinary americans are saying there's two sets of rules, one for the clintons and one for everybody else. >> i want to get you to react to numbers. when asked whether she was honest and trustworthy 30% said
yes. 58% say she is corrupt. >> i think she has to speak directly to the american people. this week you will have bernie sanders her primary opponent come out and endorse her. president obama endorsed her, vice president buy den's endorsement was put in abeyance given what happened in dallas this week. president obama is in good shape to transfer to her the fact that yes, i trust her. this week he said she is the most qualified person ever to run for president, but that's the message that has to be conveyed to reassure especially independent voters, shannon, that she is a reliable choice. >> it won't matter. she is not going to be established as reliable or trustworthy. >> you don't think the numbers turn around. >> that doesn't mean she won't win because of who her opponent s it's a very strange election cycle in which each candidate is the other's best hope. >> thank you, panel. that's all we have time for today. that is it for today's "fox news sunday." chris will be back next week when "fox news sunday" travels to ohio ahead of the republican national convention.
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