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tv   BBC Newsnight  WHUT  April 17, 2010 7:00pm-7:30pm EDT

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repercussions on polish/russian relations. -- polish-russian relations. what can we actually do? >> mid their terrorism is a threat to international security. >> political parties laid out their promises to the voters. what does britain's election look like from a freeway most help window? -- mattel window? -- motel window. hello. poland buried its president this weekend. the country has been in mourning since the plane crash in western russia. 95 other senior polish figures died a week ago. the accident came as the president was traveling to a ceremony to mark the top 70 of anniversary -- the 70th anniversary of a massacre in
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1940. what effect does it have now on one of the most important and sensitive relationships in europe? my colleague reports. >> the clash looked to have stunned poland, like the repetition of another tragedy. it killed not just the president, but much of the military top brass. it took place in russia where thousands of polish officers were murdered by the kremlin during the second world war. nothing, you might think, could do more to reignite tensions in that traditionally hostile relationship. yet, vladimir putin gave remarks that showed remarkably this tragedy is bringing it the old enemies together. pigeon has acknowledged russia's -- putin has acknowledged russia's role in the 1940 massacre, although
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traditionally russia has tried to blame the nazis. as russia joins poland in morning president kaczynski, some might think a new era is beginning, although the ultimate use our european security in which russia wants to play a greater role. they may still be far apart. >> kathy was joined by poland's minister for foreign affairs, and an historian, and started by asking about the public reaction to poland and such a towering figures. >> people are so distraught. i knew almost any bit -- everybody on the plane. it was not just the the president and his wife. it was the entire army commands. -- it was the entire army command. one of my deputies, the deputy
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minister of defense. it is a really terrible loss. and some of these people will be very difficult to replace. >> moving on to talk about the impact of it -- how surprising to you has been vladimir putin's response? >> the whole russian response has been impressive and very unexpected. that is the most important thing about the whole reaction. the polish, if you like, surprise and to a degree, the light about the that the russians are so moved -- delight about the fact that the russians are so moved and so upset. this is a good sign. >> how surprised are you by the response? after all, we think of the overarching atmosphere between poland and russia for centuries as being different degrees of
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hostility. >> we have had an improvement in relations with russia over the last few years. in fact, the deputy of mine who was on the plane helped to bring about the visit by prime minister and couldn't two days before -- prime minister putin two days before. i think prime minister putin kaine and met with our prime minister there -- came and met with our prime minister there. he felt the horror of that place where the massacre of 5000 polish officers took place. i think he felt our pain to the marrow of his funds. i think that is partly why he had such a good emotional antipathetic response -- and sympathetic response. and think the russian authorities have been indeed
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been very good. and i think now they seem to be on the same path that we have had with germany for decades, namely, we try to understand their own history. but they did to us and also what they did to themselves. -- what they did to us and also what they did to themselves. the truth and the openness may possibly be the foundation of the polish-russian reconciliation. >> do you think that obviously poland had championed independence for ukraine, georgia, and to stand by and see that eroded partly because of russia's involvement -- do you think there will be a new dynamic now in relations between poland and russia? >> poland wants to have good relations with all of its neighbors. we have launched in the european union a program called a partnership which is supposed to be helpful to the ukraine and
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others to create a free-trade zone and create a free movement of people. also in russia, as i mentioned to you, we have improved relations. which is why prime minister putin came the first of september -- september 1 last year, the anniversary of the second world war, and not to the site of the massacre. the foundations have been made -- and now to the site of the massacre. the foundations have been allayed. russia it showed a movie on their cultural channel and now on the main state channel. all the russian assault, for the first time, what was done at the side of the massacre, and i think it must've had a psychological impact on the russian people. >> on the basis of that, what might happen next? there are unresolved issues as the loss of information has
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never been put in the public domain about the relationship between russia and poland? if you expect a greater degree of openness? but said the more openness will take place, although -- >> i think more openness will take place, although -- the russians produced documents trying to prove poland and hitler had been in close alliance. basically, it is good news. it is extremely good news for poland and the european union, because this is a way of showing the european union that poland's and polish policy is the key to getting on good terms with russia. >> what impact do you think this will have on russian desires to be heavily involved in european security? >> i do not think it will have the same impact. russia is feeling the security and the insecurity. russia is feeling and anxiety
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about what ever poland might do come up will never quite goes away, not for generations. but you can do is pass a fiat, smooth that, say this does not have to be -- pacify it, smooth it, say this is not have to be a confrontation. >> the nuclear security summit was in washington this week about the danger of a nuclear attack. political and military leaders are waiting to the possibility that terrorists might get hold of material for an atomic bomb. 47 countries agreed to cooperate in stopping that from happening. the fear, of course, is that it may already be too late. the discuss the threat in the implications, i spoke to our diplomatic and defense minister. this is a real fear, is it? >> i think the nuclear terrorism
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option is so much in popular culture that people tend to think it is something for george clooney or someone like that to deal with. a lot of attention has been on the possibility of the theft of a nuclear weapon. if you look at a nuclear artillery shell, which is a small, practical military-aid package of nuclear explosive, is -- if it were put in the booth of a car and went off with 100,000 -- in the boot of a car in which of with 100,000 tons of tnt. the remaining stocks of weapons, be they in russia were elsewhere are under pretty tight guard. but the summit was really looking at was the wider civil nuclear industry. 2,000 tons ofun-which denies --
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2,000 tons of un-weapon is loose nuclear -- un-weaponized nuclear material. we're not about to bring it on the set. this is the cylinder where you would have to 25 kilos of nuclear material. if someone were able to steal the together a few of those, then you do have -- this is the cylinder where he would have 2.5 kilos of nuclear material. if someone were able to steal and put together a few of those, then you have a problem. they say they have agreed, and this is how president obama put it. >> nuclear terrorism is one of the most challenging threats to nuclear security. we also agree the most effective way to prevent criminals and terrorists from acquiring
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nuclear materials is there strong nuclear security, protecting nuclear materials and preventing smuggling. >> that's in short on specifics. >> like a lot of president obama's announcements, it does seem like an apple pie formula. nuclear terrorism = bad thing. all the countries it would agree respectively to put the money under very tight control. and think the deeper things, as some experts as saying we should expect from us, is a refocusing of priorities, particularly in the civil nuclear industries around the world. that was the point made to me earlier by a professor. >> the nuclear area has been a nuclear safety, nuclear power plants, a proliferation them safeguards to prevent misuse by state level actors, unless -- and less emphasis has been put
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on security. i think the greater emphasis on security, on enhancing the security culture within the nuclear power sector -- this will goal long way to reducing the non-state after a threat. >> that is the name. president obama says they have achieved. adding there are many questions. there is no watchdog to chase them on some of these issues make sure they keep these kinds of things under the very tight control the countries like america would want. so really, is all in implementation. >> the british elections -- there were plenty of points scored as the parties and other manifestoes comedy telling promises about what they would do if they got -- as the parties will leave their manifestos telling promises about what they would do if they got him up -- elected. we're joined by the director of a think tank and the director of
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the center for policy studies. do you think this is a radical document? >> i do. i think we've seen huge contrast between the offering from the labor party -- labour party and conservatives. the look is there. that is screaming socialism. >> i do not know if it was designed by someone who has done "tellytubbies." >> this is like open but look what government can do for your." this is a very old socialist look. we are handing the car back to you. this is our offering. this is what you can do, rather than what we can do for you. that is the philosophy. this is very much know what the government can promise. big government over-promised desperately over the last 12 years. this is a different way of approaching government. very different idea. >> it seems a very different idea.
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could it transformed britain, do you think, richard reeves? >> it looks like something from the 19th century. it does market back to a slightly earlier year -- >> let's stop going on about the superficiality of these things and what they look like. they are radical, the ideas in here, aren't they? >> the ideas are radical. i think it is a good thing. there is the recognition that government cannot solve all problems of the heart of what cameron said. at the heart of cameron's laws become a society is going to be so big, their problems government can no longer sold. there are parts of society that most need the help and they are precisely those spots where there are genuinely not armies of volunteers, parents ready to take over these issues. let's -- the intervene for the best of intentions. it did not always work. but willing that the state does not mean society will
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automatically roll in and fill the gap. that is the danger of the document. >> this is not to say that government cannot solve the problems of society, but there is something bigger and better -- the people of this country. you are being told what to do relentlessly by this company -- by this government. it is a centralized dictatorship, in effect, from white hall and westminster. we have had it with politicians, the government saying the economy has blown up. the better answer, surely, is to actually pushed power and money out to people coming out to communities, and let them sort out the problems. let government in conspicuously failed. >> they are campaigning for government, and at the same time, campaigning for government was saying government really is the relevance. >> the purpose of getting power is to give it away. the great danger of that -- you
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get in a position. if he wants to find one example of that, it is much harder to do in practice than in the rhetoric. is the fact that the indexation -- it is the fact that -- the conservatives are keeping out the vote, despite the fact that they are exempt from the policies they seem to oppose. there is a real tension there between a rhetorical desire for big society to spring up and recognition is not going to happen overall. >> we believe there. thank you very much indeed. time now for our second visit to what sounds like a stately home. it is stable enough for stephen smith, a reporter turf with tracking down a key demographic group in this election. he is spending lots of time at the freeway motel.
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[rock music playing] >> previously on "motorway man" -- >> i have found a motorway service station to center for the election. why? experts recommend those who spend a lot of time with the services that had a big say in the outcome. this time, he is known as motorway man or woman. >> is a significant factor, a significant group. >> i would love to be a leader. would that not be great? >> in spending the campaign with these motorway men and women,
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halfway up the m1. -- yes suspending the campaign of these motorway men and women, halfway up the m1. i would like to apologize to my fellow correspondents for hogging all the action up here. sorry, fellows. the other day, a car to -- caught fire and the car park. -- in the car park. like all motorway and then, i am a sucker for gadgets. -- motorwaymen, i am a sucker for gadgets. i love the satnav. >> left. no, no. left. and rights. a nd right. -- and right.
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>> yes, it is a voice from tv. the good news is i think i have the honeymoon sell. >> rory has called in during his current tour. >> i am hoping to sell -- sorted out. >> this time of year, spring, people are seeing things they've not seen for months. warm weather, and cameron is there. helloh i. -- hello. hi. >> rory is as free as a bird, of course. to tell you the truth, i envy the guy. but these good folks here at donnington are grinning and bearing it as was in the campaign with them, asking about the politicians, the issues, and how you opened this carton of milk. we're getting ready to meet the first big head of the political
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parties this week at donnington. so where is the tory front bencher? that your key-devouring juggernaut? -- yorkie-devouring juggernaut? we met. no, that is him all right. sources say he came here because he felt sorry for me in my lonely billet. but he was really here to answer the questions of our motorway men and women. >> we will increase the budget each year in real terms. >> this is the local? >> this is for me, for us. >> david, george, and by -- we are very clear. >> i believe in your policies. we want to tax money -- do you have to do more paperwork and
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more organization -- >> no. i believe we can cut that much of the bureaucracy. the makeup that much of the administration as well. >> some voters say they're unclear as to what separates the major parties. >> i do not understand. >> is thinking of voting for the liberal -- she is thinking of voting for the liberal democrats. she is one of our employees of the month, or rather -- electors of the month. >> i do not know why you are standing for. >> let me explain one more time. labour are proposing to raise taxes by a third and cut spending by two-thirds. >> i think it will be a conservative majority in winter. i do not want to argue it. from my point of view, i do actually think that not only is
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it time for change in this country and people are looking for that change, but there is also a need for strong government. >> not only a strong government, but an honest government. >> thank you very much. i am glad you popped in for a loo break and a sandwich. >> it is like tom paine in the terminal. >> a little bit. >> i could have guided the tory health spokesman for a lottery of dishes of the day, but no. where would our cherished impartiality be then, eh? more to the point -- how appetizing was his message. -- how appetizing was his message? it sounds like you were tempted by his policies? >> yes. if we could run the country like a business, which we do not seem to do -- we need to balance our books. the need to balance its books and get as on the road to having more jobs.
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that is fine. he said it was important we run the country -- it is saying we should not run our hospitals like that. we should cut all the bureaucracy. bureaucracy.
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