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oddness and while the tragedy itself shook the world it was also australia's response to the violence that brought not only many nods of approval but a few raised eyebrows and concern you see the port arthur massacre was the catalyst for the australian government to enact massive and sweeping changes to their laws regarding the ownership buying and selling of firearms forever changing the culture of guns here in the land down under since that tragic day many around the world now point to australia as a shining example of how a society and government should respond to gun violence and mass shootings with the united states currently under an epidemic of mass shootings and gun related violence and split between two internal political ideologies at war over a solution maybe it's time for the united states to start looking outward for help so today hawk watch as we take you on a journey to sydney australia to talk with their experts their gun owners and their
citizens to discover what has and has not worked and australia has offered to never again be faced with the tragedy and heartbreak that occurs when a monster walks into a public place with a gun in his hand and violence in our hearts now let's start watching the hawks here in the land of oz. a little low. her.
i mean there's nothing like the united states american cities parts of american cities are not safe. straight in cities generally safe very safe. but still there are. there are guns but particularly following there was one very infamous massacre at port arthur in tasmania. that really had a shocking effect on the country and it was a conservative government howard government actually reinforce the gun laws following that massacre. we've just had the the killing of seven people in western australia apparently suicide. a really. cold blooded killing that to me seemed
almost out of place here but it's not because there are guns in the country those guns that the alleged murderer use for licensed so the licensing laws here there's nothing like the kind of open market and. the. the culture of the gun is sacred in the united states it's certainly built into the fabric of the myth ology and then i'd just say that there's no parallel here this is this is generally a gun control society given the similar histories between the united states and australia why do you think that like guns and that kind of you know idea of romanticizing guns and violence and all that why did that take such a hold in the united states but not here in australia it is interesting your
question about well what's the difference you know the united states has this as this great outback and a straight ahead straight out back in the gun has played a major role in the gun did play a major role here. and has and as i say until recently but perhaps because gun laws were strict where most of the population was they were strict. in the cities and i imagine. a straight in gun law followed to some degree british law. by a very strict. well tyrrell talk to john pilger i met with two experts on opposite sides of the gun control debate here in australia the founding director of gun policy dot org associate
professor philip alpers of the university of sydney australia and diana mellon executive director sporting shooters new south wales in an effort to get the facts figures and debate on a strained gun control all the colonies hundred fifty colonies of all the big european him pas did much the same in the lights early nine hundred source and decided that there would be three pillars of gun control one would be that the gun owner is licensed to on a farm just like with a car that the object itself the gun is ridge of stood just as you do with a car but most importantly that having a firearm license permission to use a firearm is a conditional privilege i'm not a right and that's exactly the same with cars you do something silly with a car you can get your license taken away the same thing applies to guns in one hundred fifty former european colonies the stand out nation of course the one nation that decided not to go that way and to go exactly the opposite direction with the second amendment and no registration no licensing is the united states so
in order to get you five license you have to do farm safety tests and there's theory and practical compartments to that and we have to slightly different licensing approaches depending on if it's for a long arms license or that's a rifle or shotgun or if it's for handgun a pistol so with a long license you have to do a safety test you then have to have a what we call a genuine raise and and there are a number of different genuine raisins for recreational shooting is the. three most popular target shooting and if you you have to support that we may be shipped to a club and she need help there's recreational hunting investment control and you can support that general raise and in a number of different ways membership of a club having access to a property and then there are some other there's an license which is a license that's issue here in new south wales that gives hunters access to our state forests. to us in public health the
gun is to gun violence as the mosquito is to malaria it's the agent of and so we treat it just as we do the car in the road toll we treat it as though it is a problem that can be solved and they are really is that america lead the world in developing all these techniques of public health interventions with the road toll with the with the h.i.v. toll which also was ideologically very disadvantaged and of course the reduction in tobacco related diseases so america led the world in all three of those huge public health initiatives but doesn't seem prepared to do the same with firearms because of that confusion between freedom and liberty and and public health and saving lives the premise behind our firearms laws is public safety there are a lot of what we term credit crazed type associated with firearms ownership so
we agree with licensing background checks but our per each episode approach is that you license the person so the person is danger and proper to and use firearms and then we don't need to further register the firearms when john howard did what he did he outflanked he outpaced he outwitted the gun lobby in twelve days he just what the floor with them and they've been trying to do a comeback ever since they've been trying desperately to whittle these wars back down and they've succeeded in every state and. territory in some way they have weakened australia's gun laws over the past twenty years and it's that we still got the three pillars of gun control licensing registration and treating gun ownership as a conditional privilege those three pillars are still intact however. what the gun lobby is trying to do is to constantly reduce the age at which children can be allowed to fire guns reduce the what they call the the red tape and the
inconvenience to gun owners of all these gun talk about inconvenience talk to the victim of a gun crime i think in a stroller being a firearms i know that there is a lot of responsibility. and require as obligations to adhere to a number of laws so you've got the licensing laws you've got the safe storage laws the background checks that happen when you first get your license firearms owners are constantly monitored so if anything happens usually the first action of the place is to go and suspend the firearms license seize the firearms until the charge or whatever it is has been has been investigated and there's an outcome so firearms owners in australia do you take take we take our responsibility very seriously. we have. a component of our society that is extremely opposed to firearms and
they tend to use scare mongering and fear and misinformation to try and i guess pursue their agenda here at the university of sydney we've built the world's largest database the world's largest knowledge base on everything to do with firearm death and injury and suicide and also the laws of three hundred fifty jurisdictions around the world and that is a tremendously important resource for people who actually want to know the facts the issue. it is criminals and the illegal firearms that they use to commit a gun crime by their very nature they're not going to buy by the law sir further restricting firearms laws is not going to solve that issue and we've got that statistic that shows ninety seven percent of gun crime is committed with the legal firearms and the other issue we have ease we've got very porous borders he you know straight yeah so less than one percent of our containers that come into the country
are inspected so there's a big issue with the ability for illegal firearms and i guess other contraband like drugs to get it to find their way into into our country concentrating on mental health to solve this problem is largely a red herring the great majority of people who kill with firearms are not mentally ill before the event they're perfectly normal average people everybody says oh i'm terribly surprised but this happened and that is the far more important indicators of things like previous violence family violence especially alcohol involvement drug involvement in australia seventy percent of gun deaths have nothing to do with crime they are suicides and unintentional shootings even in the united states it's about sixty percent. nothing to do with crime and so you have this huge elephant in the room the adolescent. well basically children
shooting themselves in a moment of of love disappointment or a bad exam committing suicide with firearms which it certainly it just would not have happened if the gun had not been available as law abiding firearms owners here in australia we operate under some of the strictest firearms laws in the world sporting sheet is as the largest group representing lower body firearms owners he in new south wales and to abstract we. advocate for evidence based farms laws not laws that are based on emotion and hype we often hear. the the statement that our laws have had an impact on reducing gun deaths there's no evidence based research to shari that the introduction of a firearms laws in one thousand nine hundred six has had any effect on the number of gun deaths in the years prachi nine hundred ninety six the right of death by
firearm was falling and then after nine hundred ninety six it continued to fall by almost the same right. for men are sitting in a car when the strips get shot in the head. for a different version of what. one of them is on the death row there's no way you could have done it there's no possible way because the owners do not shoot around a corner. join me every thursday on the all excitement and i'll be speaking to us in the world of politics sports business i'm
i don't. mean you are indeed on the left i'm not picking on you need to be indicted have been killed by nico illuminati man and that i think i'm a total i mean the economy i used. to dig even deeper i went to australia as world famous bondi beach to talk with the visiting tourists and locals to discover just what people think of the differences in gun laws culture between australia and the united states it's stronger definitely in the states like growing up in mexico so close in the states. is she's very normalized but you cood own x. amount of cons of whatever color. definitely a stroller has more graduations about what i say like us united states and guns and
gun culture what's the first thing that comes to mind fear fear yes. definitely know when i say australia and gun culture what do you feel about like australian gun culture i feel like that's true is a really safe place also when i walk in the street i feel really safe we should be living in peace in general like if you don't need a gun in your house to feel safe because they'll tell you i want to got in my house and it was just a castle and comes it and no one else has a gun to be cool like just ban them all like it's live in peace well we had a kneejerk reaction from the prime minister to the poor off message the edge of tasmania many years ago and you know there's a lot of things that could be said about what might happen and why and it was we had a very sharp reaction and not many opposing militia groups saw anything you know right wing or you know those who were concerned with i mean citizens and citizens arming themselves and at that time we had you know every family had a gun and still many families have guns but it's changed
a lot of cultures change enormously since i was a little kid and i also think this entire conversation is framed in such a way that you are pro or against as opposed to looking at the bridge between bias and saying like personal responsibility and liberties play a fundamental role within this conversation so it's not just like no guns no liberties here i mean come on and there's also something that probably should be said about being a collective a specific individual because not every human being and winds in one particular way in that way and whom i as a collective has decided to be individuals as a bad person or vice versa you know that's a collapse again into you know if you out it and well the opinions on us and australia's issues with guns are both similar and diverse documentarian unpure would surprise winning journalist john pilger brought up a very startling truth about the victims of gun violence here in australia it's very different from the united states. except for indigenous people.
interesting really when people talk about. guns and gun control they seldom include . the victims of gun and usually please guns or the gunman's of authority and that is indigenous outback people. so yes there was a wild west but that wild west as i say affected indigenous people that's where the bloodshed happened and that's where it happened. in plain sight but out of sight and massacres took place right across the straight up to recently. and the shooting about virginal people still goes on black lives not mattering is very much an issue here and. it's not as bad perhaps as it was certainly not in the front to the days when people
killed aboriginal people like like prey they were pray they were described in the encyclopedia brittanica wrist pray. so that hinterland of violence has always existed here. to dig deeper into the violence pilcher discussed i travel to the redfern district in sydney to meet with lolo forester an aboriginal rights activist and presenter on corrie radio sydney's only all aboriginal radio station well it's more so the aboriginal culture and they police force. culture here where they have head down. so many of our people are the die in custody or die at the hands of police and
where the police is when you look at it i have been at fault and no one's been challenge i'll give you an example we had mr ward from western australia and he was picked up on a drink driving touch of a body from a community into perth into the mine city and it was a private a private prison seeker and what had happened there was no way conditioning in the truck that they would bring him in by the time he got to perth it was fifty degrees in the better the truck and hume melted into the back of the van so you could imagine what that would have been why we had another woman in western australia back in two thousand and six jane she had to go into prison for unpaid fines aboriginal people when i've used to go in there for minor offenses and she kept on saying she was in pain she'd been involved in domestic violence before she actually went in there and they took to the hospital they said there's nothing wrong with her they took a back to the hospital again there's nothing wrong with that then they dragged her added the cell along the hallway took
a bat she died she had pneumonia she had all these other conditions that were wrong with her but no one checked around we had in panama under two thousand and four we had a young man which is an island community made up of aboriginal people it used to be a kind of like a painter call and they feel bad blood so what had happened he was that one day he was a little bit you know intoxicated the police picked him up and never had a charge in his life took him to the police station within an hour he was dead. police officer wasn't charged and what had happened he had a busted splaying and broken ribs and that and the police officer said that he fell on top of him. so when they got the doctor's report back to the coroner's report back there was a shoe protest they bought the swat squad onto the yard and kicked in doors not dive of people and everything like this and. and they burnt down the play station as well the local community burned down the play station one guy was
charged with creating the riot so he got four years trial and other men got moved around consent another other prisons that they wouldn't connect with each other then when lex wotton the guy that they said was they when later when he came in they put a gag order on him not to be able to speak for a period of time just raise that lie all last year he's put a case up against the police he won the case for two hundred twenty thousand dollars and then they get a class action case for the whole lot and for four hundred forty seven people are not that's not the whole population before hundred forty seven people they were awarded thirty million dollars but that has to be recognized by the federal government to have clear proof that so you've got why destroying people going why you bring black people thirty million dollars. the pain and suffering that i had you know young paper what kick to the floor when mothers are not when you run a and m. and a mission house we call them hey you call them resave say that they have. why would
you bring in the swat squad in our military with the rifles that we see ivy there into a community queens that has always had that problem with the police and there's not one police officer has actually been charged by killing them and i faced that night in a reparation place and. learning of the started when violence being perpetrated on the aboriginal and first nation peoples of australia by the guns of authority exposed some striking similarities between australia and the united states in topics the mainstream media is too afraid to touch and the debate over gun control this is of course leaves one last topic in the gun debate to explore the ultimate culture of gun violence around the globe the military industrial complex it's interesting because you're part of the gun control debate the doesn't get talked about a lot is that you know how it ties in to the military industrial complex when you
got you know you know robin's makers and all the lobbyist in the influence over government you know. is australia dealing with that same thing are they influenced by the military industrial complex the way the united states is when you arrive in sydney and certainly in canberra when you walk pass in canberra as you walk away from your plane there are those advertising for the great arms country companies british aerospace ruffian lockheed martin i was just. taken over a great chunk of the university of melbourne. the national university in canberra has arms company all over it. the us influence and the strain is massive it's very important to the u.s.
especially now in its confrontation with china its its perception of china as threatening installment. all of it on this theory it's none of it should involve us trade but us trade has allowed it and the history of us in clones and us bases in this trade. is a deeply sinister one us right really from the end of the the second world war nineteen forty five. the us mapped straight for its minerals for its potential as. a bases. and since that there has been a very powerful u.s. presence in this country and usually the ambassador has been an extremely outspoken. not
a diplomat but an outspoken protagonist of u.s. war policies the u.s. treats its trade does treated as a fifty first state. i'm quite serious a fifty five state there's no question this trade and militaries trade in politics is trade the media is completely integrated into the united states the straightest possibly the only country where generals and admirals can come and give all sorts of scare warnings and they will be given front page treatment we've had here recently hillary clinton warning us about the perils of china china's going to take a side. absolute nonsense. nonsense but it gets media attention and because america's agenda or in the pacific is
to confront china hillary clinton started that with her pivot to asia or in two thousand and eleven the fact barack obama came and announced it before the australian parliament in two thousand and eleven and that was hillary clinton's policy and you now have bases that go all the way from one of the most important u.s. spy bases set up designed and set up by the cia at pine gap right next in iraq springs all the way now darwin there's a marine base in darwin there are other u.s. bases around the country astray to has no quarrel with china and in fact the straighter has no enemies. no one once we invade a straight or a stranger is probably one of the most secure places in the world and yet
the present government of malcolm turnbull is building one of the biggest war machines and creating a strange and weapons industry. spending billions on it all of it unnecessary. that is our show for today remember everyone in this world we are not told that we are loved enough so i tell you all i love you i am so i roll them to earth and on top of the wallace keep on watching those hawks and have a great day and night everybody. everywhere in the world my guess is that probably just about everywhere women expect men to make that first move and here we are in an age where men a scared to make the first move don't know how to make the first move don't know
what the right to make the first move. far away. down there in acapulco he does the dollar vigilante and he's an anarchist and that is. it's anarchy in that there is no centralized authority that is corrupt of all that leads to all kinds of bad outcomes when you have anarchy we've got to centralization of power you know you have the wherewithal to have a more peaceful existence.
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