this problem is being solved by just redirecting the base sort of their routes off of of the waste or whether there is indeed any changes in the way western countries are dealing with the problem domestically. the concern is that yes diversion is happening in the short term hoping that that will be a short to medium term problem but you're seeing you seeing some shifts now as i mentioned people are starting to think about how for instance to solve the issue in . in the united states there was some reporting a couple of weeks ago that actually the chinese companies themselves are coming to the u.s. to check out possible then use for recycling facilities themselves so which is sort of an irony in all of this story about but definitely a possibility but yeah we're seeing diversion we're also seeing california west
coast ports also seeing a huge pile up of waste much of which and plastic scrap which much of which will be sent to landfill would be my guess so we're definitely trying to come up with both medium to long term solutions. we'll have to see how that goes well professor neal we have to take a very short break now but we will be back in just a few moments state and. church secret indeed priests accused of sexually abusing children can get away with it literally like to call the graphics. to do the.
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science policy and management at the university of california berkeley professor neal just before the break we were talking about recycling having perhaps a better reputation it deserves now in china ration another form of waste management traditionally has a very very bad reputation is it justified you know that is one of the the million dollar questions probably billion dollar questions in the waste management at the moment incineration yes historically very bad reputation and rightly so in this country in particular it's associated with a disability and site situated around poor communities minority communities with a lot of very adverse health effects and i think there's still a lot of concern about the technology where it's shifted right now and the reason it's really getting back. in fashion globally well for two
reasons one to deal with the waste that we have and second of course the connection to combating climate change so there's a lot of people who argue that waste to energy and center ration is a way to. reduce our emissions and avoid the use of fossil fuels. a lot of difference of opinion on now correct me if i'm wrong but from what i understand there has been a major technological leap as far as the writer plans are concerned they are polluting much less at least the latest generation of that technology there are some countries like sweden for example have managed to essentially use them as a substitute for power plants and use that all that energy to heat their homes and yet i think accepting the idea of incineration being not only every nubile energy source but also a legitimate way of dealing with all that waste i think it comes very. very it doesn't come easy to the environmental community. i wonder why oh well for
one thing just to look at sweden sweden i mean it has a spectacular record it gets rid of ninety nine percent of its. consumer i'm in a simple waste and it is at the point where it's importing waste from nearby countries so that it can keep feeding its incinerators sweden is very much the exception in this world and maybe it would be nice if it wasn't but incineration like a lot of other big technologies depends on the context in which it is the sabbath. is there adequate infrastructure to keep it running if it breaks down want to because i know that for instance china does have a lot of incinerators but it's been very hard to maintain them from reports that i've read to maintain them of the temperatures they need to be at void polluting so there's a lot of issues and i was hearing that the russian government is planning on building
a system of incineration around moscow that unfortunately would while it would deal with some ways doesn't even come close to dealing with the full amount and so that raises the question of well when you're dealing with a lot of waste how many incinerators are you really going to need to solve the problem and to generate enough significant energy to make that investment worthwhile well you're actually again leading me to my next question because if we focus on russia i think it's an interesting case in the sands of being terror in calling it the both as far as recycling is concerned and as far as incineration it is concerned because we basically deal with our ways by just assigning it to landfills and if you had to advise the russian government. we each route to proceed i'm sure you would say both but even if you consider all the process and cause the environmental effect of the landfills as well as the real need process to . yes all that the ways that has been accumulated in this country over decades.
which would you prefer or if a speech would do you prioritize yes russia is just a fascinating case that's different from any of the other countries i really read about in terms of of its space technically and i think also the legacy of the communist era has left i'm assuming a lot of of legacy waste as well i was familiar about quite a while ago twenty years ago with the nuclear waste situation in russia we have a lot of cleanup to do so that's part of that and you know municipal solid waste is i think really. the first target in the sense of sort of the low hanging fruit from again from what i read nearly a huge proportion of that is produced in moscow so you're looking at at moscow level solutions. again recycling and reuse i would you know working on those
systems i'm assuming again from my understanding of the soviet era that there was much more of a culture of real use and not throwing things away that i think a society that emerged out of that tends to reject so it's a matter of moving back to that i think that one of the easiest recycling programs to do is composting food waste is very decomposed decomposable and can be used as compost landfills or incineration it's a it's a tough one i would go for. well at the end of the day russia is the largest country by territory but i think many of our landfills are approaching. capacity limits and i think even you know even if you have a large territory it's probably another very good idea to turn it into a huge dump site can i bring your butt can you bring a beer back to the recycling question because there is a lot of pressure including why. and pressure to russia to proceed through then
there has been a number of way sorts in ink experiments in large urban communities in russia for the most part they haven't been very effective and i guess you can put it on the culture you can also put it on their way not very efficient way and probably overly broad critize way our municipalities work and i'm not suggesting that you should be a warning about but i'm a little bit concerned that if you wait for that change in culture it may take decades not years but actually decades and i wonder if sticking strictly to recycling may make more damage to the environment well let me just say what the landfill suggestion i was making is that there are ways of running sanitary landfills we have got landfills here in the us that have closed down that were huge and are used for gas collection again. landfill gas is also significant source of energy and cleaner than than actually incinerating the waste
oh as far as educating for recycling i think that's a huge problem there might be ways of making recycling easier for people we use in some cities here we use what's called single stream recycling where a lot of the recycling goes into the same bin and then a sort of elsewhere that is sort of an easy introduction to the idea of recycling but it does require a lot of investment and attention at the sorting and cleaning stage of the process again that's quite a big investment it's it's tough. that's the other place there where we work and educate people from an early age but even here people get discouraged again europe does a a lot better there's a lot more acceptance of a culture of recycling and sorting and cleaning your waste and i think that has to do in part with the awareness that there is very little space. there for. dealing
with waste in other ways well i think this is a highly controversial subject. we have it in the mosque a region with lots and lots of landfills and nearing maximum capacity in meeting poisonous gases but once their thirty's came up with the plan of building an incinerator there the environmental community immediately got up in arms. the people people took to the streets genuinely believing that the corrupt authorities big business out to make huge money out of turning that into yet another environmental disaster and i wonder what do you think is more irresponsible in this case going against the people's wishes or not doing anything about the landfills. again this is why we export. out of our way we would have the same issue and i think that. you know the citizen protest is also here in china not
necessarily directly over the foreign garbage but over the siting of a lot of industrial facilities and honestly the beijing government i think one of the reasons it's implemented this crackdown is that it's very concerned about its political legitimacy at home but also in the eyes of the international community i think the russian government should be concerned or maybe the moscow government from my research into the history of waste management is that waste left piled in streets will bring governments down it is one of those direct connections whether i mean i'm not saying that is necessarily the case but it does lead to a lot of civic disruption beirut in lebanon has been having ongoing issues with that but the rivers of waste in the streets. so how. when i advise the government seed it would be probably and this sounds like a bit of
a cop out but the multiple solutions duction. trying to implement recycling. one thing that's working in. country cities a lot of cities in brazil for instance that have a lot of industry is. you know i'm not sure if this community exists in moscow i suspect the winter weather makes this a little hard but communities of waste pickers people who go through and gather waste informally and sell it they've been movements to sort of incorporate these people more formally into systems of governance and whiskey lection and cities but you know that's that's again depends on those people being there and available to do that work i think our problem is not so much waste collection. much as waste management what you actually do with the waste once it's collected and there wasn't an interesting study by the european environmental agency in two thousand and
sixteen which found that the top recycling performing countries in europe at least also happened to be the one with the highest penetration often center of the day i guess you would pursue both of those routes but it would require russia to have the kind of technology the kind of experience that it not necessarily does not necessarily have at this point from what you know how much do the current tangents between russia and the west a faggot the environmental projects. see won't again going back to the reading i've been doing in the last couple of days unlike many countries the russian government has been highly resistant as far as i can tell to foreign direct investment from overseas waste companies and that actually should possibly be something that would need to be changed i think that foreigners. investment in a lot of other countries from the big ways companies which are mostly european or u.s. based has been the way that they have obtained the technology whether be incineration
or specialized landfill or other forms of recovery to make waste management easier and under the current situation yeah i'm sure that's one of the pieces of the puzzle that's the that's difficult to fit well professor neal it's been there fascinating conversation thank you very much for your time and to our us please keep it going on our social media pages as for me i hope to see again same place same time here on the walls apart. this baby panda is
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fellow there you watch in the weekly this sunday evening here in our. seven o'clock here in moscow now we're going to start this hour with breaking news because we are receiving reports of a private passenger jet crashing in southwest iran according to iranian media the jet was flying from the united arab emirates and was heading to turkey some reports say the plane was turkish operated it's not immediately clear though how many people were on board but it seems we get more information we'll bring it straight to. more than fifty civilians have been able to leave ceres east and go to fire a humanitarian corridor or the enclave has become a hot spot of violence after the syrian government launched a military operation against terrorists who are in control of the district let's get the latest now from r.t. he got it done of who joins in the studio eagle some good news finally what more do we know well first and foremost this is the first evacuation of civilians from east
ghouta of its kind while the humanitarian corridors have been operational for almost two weeks now and this latest development follows an agreement a deal struck between the russian military who are struggling to keep these corridors operational and the militants who are in control militant groups who are in control of the enclave so with here's here's what how the deal sounds effectively the agreement implies that russia's military allows certain militants and their families out of the war zone and then ensures and guarantees their safety and in exchange militants allowed these this group of civilians out as well. you mentioned there this corridor has been open for two weeks so why is it only now that we're seeing people able to leave in use it well because the militants there the groups. they have this sort of what's in it for us approach what i mean by this is they didn't allow civilians out of the war zone out you know they were happily
keeping them there under the bombs if not keeping them there as human shields but definitely exploiting them as a bargaining chip in this whole thing and they were going all the way preventing civilians from leaving the and clay you from leaving the district they went as far as actually shell humanitarian corridors we're being told by the russian defense ministry so really a lot of problems remain and of course the. fifty people it's only a drop in the ocean if you look at the four hundred thousand civilians trapped in east ghouta also another problem there is no structure because no story is operational there are two and they are intermingled with the other groups with fighters from other groups who are considered more or less extremist i should say. so really civilians get it as bad as it gets is good to have a look. you
have all sorts of needs inside today the priority remains medical help that we. reach with the people inside all the time and food aid as well. as the other vehicles. that were there when that started to. never stick your head put it on never not lash out of their second look at the marshes and what they said about even any of the after scenes are still going up that nobody would love.
it's been a very bloody two months here the beginning of this year it is really hell on the ground for the children. civilians who are part of this in this situation they have nowhere to go. and. in other news tonight traces of the nerve agent used to poison a former russian spy and his daughter have reportedly been. found in
a restaurant in the british city of the pair had been eating there two hours before being found unconscious on a park bench the pizzeria is now one of five sites cordoned off by police as part of their on getting investigation with more his jacking they got. a week ago two people were found collapsed on an unremarkable bench near a quiet shopping center in salisbury the area was sealed off in a major incident was declared at the hospital where the pair were being treated for exposure to an unknown substance but no one really took much notice of the man and the woman until about twenty four hours later when breaking news reports began to flood the airways that the sixty six year old man was in fact sergei scruple a former russian spy surrogate group el stilted in the soviet airborne forces he quickly moved to russia's foreign military intelligence agency g o u on a mission to the mediterranean region in ninety five he was recruited by calling himself antonio alvarez the head don't go
a british intelligence tom and spot rooming. exposed at least three hundred russian spies to the u.k. he handed over the g. or use entire phone directory doing in this to model damage to moscow five years on colonel screwball retired from the g o u on health grounds with continued moving crucial information to britain's m i six they could meet him forthwith and bought him a timeshare holiday home in spain sells close to the double agent was convicted in twenty years six of treason getting at the teen years since it's in the top security jail but just four years later he was free in a high profile spy swap between moscow and washington scruple moved to the silver british town of saul's bridge where his recruits a power blow allegedly lives the expire then enjoyed a fairly low profile. till now the first speculations appear with immediate
parallels drawn to another former russian agent poisoned in london twelve years ago with a public inquiry later lying the blame squarely at the kremlin feet was history repeating itself and it didn't stop there every wild theory was given its day in the sun was it north korea was it russia's revenge for treason after all these years was putin being framed is it linked to the trump russia collusion investigation we need to make sure that we respond not to rumor but all the evidence that they collect this investigation is that the stages and and the speculations and helpful at this time if we are to be rigorous in this investigation we must avoid speculation people to speculate such warnings did nothing to quell the fires however as police reveal that screwball and his daughter were deliberately targeted with a nerve agent news reports charge forward theorizing that the attack came from the very top in moscow bad things have been known to happen to russians who cross of lot of near putin the fact that
a nerve agent was use strengthens the likelihood that this was a state sponsor of some sort and russia is the chief suspect of course that doesn't look like an act of provocation by putin here has been making increasingly bold and brazen in the west the british foreign secretary boris johnson join the chorus as well yes to more sanctions on russia and no to the upcoming football world cup that is if the kremlin is indeed involved you must be very capital we say because it is too early to prejudge the investigation but if the suspicion on both sides of the house proved to be go forward that it may very well be this to speak that we are the most to look again at our regime our sanctions regime and all the measures that we they seek to put in place russia hit back at johnson's comments calling them wild and aimed at damaging relations between the two countries and while the investigation continues and concrete details are few and far between the public court looks to have already solved the crime and i think of this nature that any time. actually this time on the part of the russian government would constitute
a monumental political self harm resulting in severe and significant reputational damage across the world obviously the shadows and the resonance in so many people's minds are going to be from the alexander litvinenko case because that dominated the british headlines for so long and it seems at least superficially that there are parallels here let's face it intelligence turns he was a busted flush he had been caught in russia he'd been convicted to being sent to prison he'd been pardoned and allowed to go free so you know the russian authorities will have picked him clean of any intelligence he had which would be useful to them and to since he got to the u.k. m i six would have done the same thing so you know in terms of his old intelligence role it's really nothing more to add to it so in terms of what he might be involved in now i think that's where the most patients going to be for.