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tv   On Contact with Chris Hedges  RT  September 23, 2017 8:29pm-9:01pm EDT

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and do come in there's some and where do they have to. learn is that zimbabwe and them going south africa they thought they would somehow save the interest of the white people therefore they came in to get involved and eventually with that flow through fire as a mission force or for that is calling for you and swore by as elections of course if you go through negotiations it's give and take it's all the ideas we had to give up to know if and big it was kind of. proportionate it was intuition which will come because that allows smaller parties to come into and most what we're there now about quote in that but because of that principle it is that where the did you did swapo have something to the equivalent of the a.n.c. is freedom charter if you have an economic which was essentially socialist even marxist did no no you didn't have we're going to spend. all of this
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is on the poor that was so but in see that for a long time but the a.n.c. i mean well and this is some in you know afterwards some critics like ronnie cuss reals and others have said that the mistake they made was that day and mandela would be included in this is that they set aside the demands of the freedom charter thinking they could deal with it later and yet they haven't and so inequality the control of capital by predominantly white it has not been resolved but it's not working the same with was true because in the constitution you would see. pro party rights protection and that in strand in the answers are going to change it so len not named as and then but it is and the property that it's so pro by the little you own kind of people that we should be clear that a lot of atlanta especially in the south was stolen. in the genocide in may be by
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the german summers and which you know many of these farms are still there is that correct this is from so therefore you have to discredit the low and most do by let people die because of the two that we didn't we didn't. we headed now it's not a word to revisit that put in said and then confidence i had this one did after independence. and he couldn't touch that it was very difficult to do and so how do you deal how do you deal with those structural issues and you have the force of global capitalism you know the ability and an instant to put a stranglehold through international loans that you know we've seen it how they use that instrument is chile being one of best examples how how do you run that kind of fine line be between controlling your own destiny and having these forces dominate
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your country or physically. it was in the room and i do primitive decision. no loans from i may have and well but because i came from saga with basically the opposed to this and then loans from i mean and well bank we thought they were using that to dictate to countries so we said no no so i have to know them have those you know chinese loans. and there's no it's not loans it's it's been doing something right they that's how they did it they would bring in to build that structure and they pay and then they don't repay them but i don't know but so don't we said you know so phone concern is solved of course. yet it a bit that way now the russians. yeah but they're doing a great job. we had good hands there they want we're here because their program it was written for good days to be comfortably history when we were fighting when
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a sub with it but with sometimes these let's face it right the socialist countries but as chairman in soviet union paul swallow was branded a terrorist organization by the state department at that yes i was the president i was the first position and i used to deceive that one and and also the kind of mob and then we'll call that's in six years in this instance to go to the post office to lose say i didn't ask for that. and if you say you must sign and become a foreign agent so i was the first time of that but. we went here we mobilized the people here like i just had time where i'm going to go it's really different there's a time when we had a democracy done well. i was. there not that i was there because some of the confusing by the we had a time where we had let go and become this by the so much that it was real
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democrats i thought i was going to ask you later what i'm going to ask you now since you brought it up i mean. you were here you were studying at fordham the new school of you had come out of a refugee camp because of you were even as a student involved with the resistance movement i think i read somewhere that when you were in class you were down at the u.n. being ignored by all sorts of countries. but you had contact especially i think with the black power movement. and then you went on for many years what twenty six years or something and swapo and became one of the leaders of one of the great resistance movements liberation movements in africa we rolled backwards our movements were destroyed our democracy atrophied and probably died we vomited up this figure like trump from your perspective of somebody who was often
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a target by. the united states what happened what do you think happened in the united states what did we do wrong. well. when i was a freedom fighter i used to say anything so there are no consequences i'm. right i'm not up on the people about it about god but the truth is the truth i was ready discarded disappointed i used to live here and when there's a regular came in the old declare that as a pro he would that not to end a marriage but you had you when did you have i didn't met i did not even though you were you i had trouble might be right as it passes with oil in fact they said i would get in this one now this time many have been getting many have passed so fast with doesn't matter they said if you right so to be prohibited to enter here and you have to apply for four and be to get
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a waiver to come in here and i was admitted to a medic and that lady had but you didn't have so once you are out you must stay outside for ten days and i apply and they have to wait for so you can come in but any way to go we would get in he said we came in the. we went now go to bed to the olden days as you say that was it best for me as if i had i had i post to go to dispute but i'm not going next come see you before i went to africa well i know it's a he went to africa when they came to africa in cairo us keep in mind i wanted him when he came back so when they came i see made no to his i win to his ideas was that it and i mean i'm going to and that us that's good for me as if we don't get a young guy to get his revolution out of famine in this country. but no clothes time does have to move on so even us i'll do anything even when i was called on the
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view of him do in the room in wood and sweets and then after. they've been as and i was told and looked at me and says. i have a say in this and one of us that instead we're going to be fine have done that evolution who said this is one that is uncertain and they said today us something that says bit of. that taboo it didn't go for the fight to the day or the planet ok whatever but i do want your analysis what do you think happened here i mean you know this country you watched it from the position of being in many ways condemned as an antagonist what do you think happened. i fended i don't fade to be i'm devoted to the now. and then i've. had i would have. the pleasure that i. think have tens and over the world right but there
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has always been and we have to ask so things have to do it and that's where we are independent today because things have to end with the economy and put on ice and we thought of course but things have to end there independent and i want to own country we don't know what disparities. political freedom but we declare that second phrase is that of economic emancipation which is in some ways as hard as it is hard to or has had to because it. forces the good i'd interface in the west i've got to love a don't know any means but now you have all of the posts of the drivers and even now in the privacy. so it's not easy but that's a feat if i do know ok great when we return we'll continue our conversation with president of now maybe.
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your launching our team at special report. basically everything that you think you know about civil society has broken down. there's always going to be somebody else one step ahead of the game. we should not be. normal i think. we don't need people that think like this on our planet. this is an incredibly situation. where you have. just yesterday quietly to put those for. me. what's your biggest fear a little bit on the hayride when celeste medical boards say if you have a mess of things the best quarterback of all it's point the topic that doesn't
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belong in the piece now i've interviewed you to question more. about your sudden passing i've only just learned you worry yourself and taken your last to turn. your act caught up to you as we all knew it would i tell you i'm sorry suddenly i could so i write these last words in hopes to put to rest these things that i never got off my chest. i remember when we first met my life turned on each breath. but then my feelings started to change you talked about war like it was again still some are fond of you those that didn't like to question our arc and i secretly promised to never be like it said one does not leave a funeral in the same as one enters the mind gets consumed with death this one different person i speak to now because there are no other takers. to blame that
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mainstream media has met its maker. the mission of newsworthy is to go to the people tell their side of the story our stories are well sourced we don't hide anything from the public and i don't think the mainstream media in this country can say that i think the average viewer knows that r.t. america has a different perspective so that we're not hearing one echo chamber that mainstream media is constantly spewing. we're not beholden to any corporate sponsor no one tells us what the cover how long the coverage or how to say it that's the beauty of archie america. we hear both sides we hear from both sides and we question more
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that journalists are not letting anything go to a new way to bring it home to the american people. chris hedges. welcome back to on contact let's continue our discussion with president of now maybe. so we were talking a little bit when you said the economic independence was even a harder form of independence because these forces were sole multitudinous and also in many ways faceless. talk a little bit about those kinds of forces as somebody who seeks that kind of independence for your country and what kind of pressure they're able to put on
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a show you just brought in wall with a great union busting corporation wal-mart. was a minister of tweet but what i'm what you should. and you know is of with them is that if the kid going to prove. that them a few conditions and definitely under the coat i loath the physical under superman couldn't we won and would sit down and say you must include small and medium enterprises there must be woodson's on the shelves so we didn't that doesn't know that we are for the well that's probably a good example but these these corporations are so powerful and. what kind of obstruction have you have they been able to impose on what your age i know you've been fighting hard to address income inequality with some
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success since independence declined this but talk a little bit about how those global forces impede the vision you have for your country well we used to call them once those days those good days. but now when you say anything at all. you have to be careful we are going to do the human side. of that is a human face kind of thing and therefore some of them might it did they know in some vision the chance that they must hold the end of what is called a win win situation so we do negotiate with the the message is really over make them do with that with peace that these men didn't pass and then that unemployment used are going to rise up when they then are going to have you know proper the old hands and move in the same direction some isn't most of that is name though these days but still top of that is it's enough to make money and little to no good if
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you look at these old plays economy it's all raining up here and them now if you don't you're going to remain open right therefore you have to live conducive environment that those who are under good diamonds and so on it is going to have been somewhere by them and us so we can do the schools and so on that's roads it's not is it moving on. let's talk about the u.s. . i think the u.s. it appears has kind of in many ways withdrawn from the african continent would that be fair or is this do is. in russia. you pause with troop much most of them both of them because in the rush. i mean the destruction and so you know you as the political landscape has changed from those with have been liberated in the past to conservatism bugs or just some nationalists some. prison break and i'm going to guess i weighed in though is that
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the so so things have tension that some of the dems put up to anything to say are you when you were here we burned it. but when we're here we had three b.s. bed and baby bed and now as a prison i say real baby built. things of change so who is it country. its who its role is china filling the vacuum left who would you would say within the continent they do they do massive fill in need and not only that i. was writing from. climate change which is the main issue affecting us and said going to feel it more. is their form of i don't know if you want to call it colonialism how is it different from the way the united states intervened in the congo.
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and i just stayed in. bed if you can talk and do what you want i was there i would say is somewhere that though didn't do any kind of the they must know it was then i went to china and i saw all the american companies to come as what's happening i'm going to go but he said no wait a minute thirty years ago we opened up by the old ones in but. comes here comes on i want thames and i've been coming out thames they come in that would terms much in stock that's all. but my understanding of the chinese is that. the united states it was take the congo a direct intervention when you have a resistance leader like. he's assassinated you bring in a cia created figure like both do they create of brutal military apparatus to
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maintain control the chinese are not doing that in africa they're doing something different but never could and i think about of africa they go by that and they're coming in. developing countries we've got what it is a developing country it's a wow you say in the u.s. what is said know about those two states who it was a group that has to do with their what it becomes so momentary and is with. electronics we know we see us with sometimes leverage that but they're going to do it's a question of token and where they would not is as i did a is a. ten a there is a premise that they don't miss out that they don't there's an inlet both and i think the president is going to that yeah. i mean vetted as an invitation to go to that when the job is it and he will sit down and close it is a pittance is given that way there's been quite
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a bit of money including in your country mostly with uranium development but also i think they have farming projects on but this has been true now let's say for the last couple decades where china did not have that kind of foreign presence i mean they the chinese may have supported resistance movements and stuff. but now they're building railway lines roads infrastructure projects and also developing natural resources some of which like the iranians say they need. this. and we need good americans we've through them come out of the protests you have business somewhere as maybe and. this is about you and when it development you somebody comes to that to help you and you had zoning lived up to it but they know your time is that we grab it. they're doing a good job they're doing good job but everybody must come under terms they used to bring their own with us to push when but those are real and i went to tennessee
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with high unemployment among so intense that made didn't beo what we have our own laws so they didn't what alosi the monthly what. it's going to read seven days after and i will get up so i think you also got them on the re-implanted you get them to recognize your union i think oh yes of course if they don't usually do yeah but you have to talk to people and i think they listen it is duke and. done behave like the us but sort of on the contrary of what one billion people in africa roughly is what you have but so it's a massive segment of the population but you have so little voice in the world you're so marginalized one has to run the country on the continent no we have tried they would have you in a new form i mean a group of ten so you tend to call it two from is it in africa and i'm telling you
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it as a most frustrating exercise but the example of the form how do you if you talk about democracy live chung people outside to sit on a table they might want to but if they follow along and that is now for all five permanent members they don't want to give up the dope had to get on that one and how does that how is that affecting the continent in negative way well you can have what is your message you must sit on a table of other mind not to visit him then they took and they pushed him down and it's true they invited some of us to sit on the but if they decided. and you have looked at that bus and we have a way to do it to the result that there's a sources who do it we need to have. their lend which is vice terrorism does state that the abundance so unless we do enhance to put it do to
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fight it is what do cause that assume they're going to do this and we're saying you must also as is would close as often as i said it would. come out of conference with no and that's that i think to be quote in this. sort of this now well put into the us fighting for my basic human rights. to this day of what americans so yes has they said of us is it's as if the so why because i have met fighting for that if you put out there that by the students and so on they are fighting the i ask them for the basic human rights that denied them human beings they wouldn't kill the dialogue or day the day did that with you that's the issue and this really is the root cause is what many people did it was over there well aren't we i i i know you can't criticize the united states but let me i mean we are we are the best recruiter are these isis house i believe that yeah i didn't mean that.
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and i mean i spent seven years in the middle east that's the tragedy is that when you are orderly tone deaf to the aspirations hopes and rights of others and you respond exclusively in military force as the south africans did then you create what the world sees us as terrorism but ultimately it doesn't succeed would you agree but as i said. people would demand is it right as americans were saying when i was here young way when i said but it can be said differently but you will give me death run and hid with pride in your own cousins what they already have is what people want that i've seen when i'm going to die a lot i would die. thank you so now we're doing this with. is that. good yes but it's causing the desperate acts. right thank
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you i was president of. the live i i live. the live i. i. i.
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the feeling. every the world experience. and you. know. according to josh. all the world's a stage and all the news companies merely players but what kind of part is already america playing artie america offers more artsy america first. many ways to use the landscape just like this either. real news they can see it actors sad actors and in the end you could never. so much parking be
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for all the world's all the world's a stage all the world's a stage and we are definitely a player. but politicians do such as. they put themselves on the line they get accepted all rejected. so when you want to express. more some want to be rich. that's a going to be the first to say what the fuck three of them or can't believe that i'm interested always in the water using how. i should. think the average viewer just after watching a couple of segments understands that we're telling stories that are critics can't
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tell and you know why because their advertisers won't let them. in order to create change you have to be honest you have to tell the truth parties able to do that every story is built on going after the back story to what's really happening out there to the american what's happening when a corporation makes a pharmaceutical chills people when a company in the environmental business ends up polluting a river that causes cancer and other illnesses they put all the health risk all the dangers out to the american public those are stories that we tell every week and you know what they're working. to make.
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just because something's legal doesn't mean it's sent. the nobody out of town there's not a marshal in the. islamic states claims it was behind the month just a terror attack by look to the north fraud so kill the priest every time a terrorist attack happens all these people are out there screaming to go ice is so bad someone needs to do something against them for me was like yeah why don't remove themselves from. the. result of the first ever. heard of it in the local a lot of the food. e.g. i live in for a chat if these chinese hafiz am open to some guy who has got a bum how did. the u.k. keep him as an if he showed i'm done.
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about your sudden passing i've only just learnt you worry yourself and taken your last turn. up to you as we all knew it would i tell you i'm sorry for me i could so i write these last words in hopes to put to rest these things that i never got off my chest. i remember when we first met my life turned on each. but then my feeling started to change you talked about more like it was again still some more fun to feel those that didn't like to question our arc and i secretly promised to never be like it said one does not leave a funeral in the same as one enters the mind gets consumed with the. this reply to . the speech you just never know what they're takers. the claim that mainstream
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