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tv   Worlds Apart With Oksana Boyko  RT  December 26, 2013 12:29pm-1:01pm EST

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whose case really stands out because it wasn't part of the amnesty but rather he was released on a presidential pardon or on what was humanitarian grounds i wonder if you read anything into it whether you believe that the grounds were indeed humanitarian well i think it's largely an effort by the authorities to boost russia's image in the run up to the olympics in sochi in which are just a few weeks away possibly the g eight summit which is also learned in sochi in another few months so yes indeed i would actually agree with me how you how they're costly himself. it is a public relations project does it make of what's less well new not at all because indeed it means quite a lot for harder for his family it means quite a lot from those prisoners of bollocks if i may call them out there is protestant is in charge for most. individuals individual victims of abuses
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means that it means religion but done for the state of the rule of law in russia i'm afraid it doesn't mean much while you just mention several other high profile cases that are part of the amnesty and again as i mentioned holocaust case is a bit different because it was totally up to put into whether to release him or not it was his prerogative as president that he could have chosen not to exercise it so if amnesty was going on anyway of twenty thousand people were going to be released including some of those very famous prisoners a few just mention that's what have created this public splash anyway and the political goal that you're alluding to would have been achieved anyway so why what of koskie well first of all most political who might be kidding because if you look into the amnesty it seems to be the call soviet toil traditional kind of an amnesty. vulnerable groups of prisoners pregnant women elderly people
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minors women with small children and so on and so forth and none of the last moment there is a month on chew include into the amnesty a specific list such crimes those who goodness them and most wrote it and i would like to stay on for just one more question he is in prison imprisonment had a symbolic value it was always presented as sort of reflection of how bad the human rights to sion in russia supposedly was i wonder if you attach the same symbolism to his release doesn't mean that let's say political climate then because maybe changing simply because he is being set free while human rights watch is an organization never said the case of other symbolizes everything that's wrong with human rights in russia in the uk quite to the opposite. it's
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a very last rites of case and there are many other cases that we documented solar li and that clearly demonstrate that the redgrave human rights abuses including political money pollution of justice that are happening in the russian federation given that so many private profile people who have been involved in political activity have been released early do you think that signifies any change in the way the kremlin operates or indeed the political climate in the country while it's like the revolving door of russian political just is a revolving door of trumped up charges where you have some high profile political prisoners being released in one single wig just before christmas just before the holidays to the very good be ready to celebrate but done at the same time although people still. i mean in jail on three charges if we could
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stay on the subject of. our cost in sochi olympic because you you mentioned that you believe that this was part of the political campaign and manipulation and it's interesting the. self was asked about it during the press conference and i want to play this question by b.b.c. for you are you encouraging people to show she's really fix or to stay away. essentially the. man who was released from prison thirty six hours ago after spending their years the first one of the first questions he is being asked is whether sochi olympics should be boycotted or not and i think that's in itself a rather peculiar question but my question to you is whether you think that's what human rights campaign in russia has come to that it's not about human rights it is not about taking a stab at the government or better or putting personally well misspoke or first and
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foremost you are actually the one who is such a political manipulation project that i didn't start a public relations project and i relations are. very close i'm going to say approach but in the i'm not sure whether you know. paulus matar for human rights watch now call for a boy quote of sports cultural events so all the musician god forbid another called . your of musicians is very. after if in the using the image of sochi olympics and i want to quote you something that your colleagues said rachel done for the deputy director for europe and central asia for human rights watch just published an opinion piece on your website calling on readers to quote brace yourself for what could come after international spotlight leave sochi and i wonder what are you bracing yourself for do you think. members will be rounded up
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again and people will be able lynched on the streets mall how their close circle law says that he is not going to go back to russia because he does nor knew whether he would remain a dream own if he's on russian soil and i was it. doesn't unless he really had to live up to russia and unless he gets very small that security. this is not what he said he said that as of now he doesn't have guarantees of him being able to leave russia for our foreign countries for example for germany and he needs to visit that country for example because of his mother and that he isn't afraid of traveling to russia because he's afraid that does anyone actually if you are listening you know you are speaking for him that he never said that he said that indeed there are some legal issues with his skis that have not been subtlety have both he has never heard of this very british air that while holder of course he is in germany or wherever else his not going to go to jail now goes without saying i'm also not
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a free for the two women from the pool so raw and bar i don't think that they're going to be sent back to jail as soon as the olympics are so what i what i see all of the rage of is that it. looks in the other direction from russia if the spotlight is no longer on russia then the unprecedented crowd and civil society that's been witnessing ease going to intensify that's exactly what the afraid of because now we can actually see even more specific though what exactly do you mean i assume you mean the ngo law that came into force about them well you know if a go out and not only that but i would agree that the law is indeed in the war of the untalented this piece of legislation which is why the weight cointreau reach to russia's international obligations and freedom of association this non-governmental organisations get boring funding added. to register for in
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a.z. such legislation exists in many other countries such as for example the united states and britain there is a similar law as well tomorrow night of you rudd father actually did i actually did and organizations that do receive foreign funding have to register with the state they are. receive foreign funding and act on behalf of one which is over four in principle and that's a very different story here in russia if an advocacy group receives even a penny even a kopek of foreign funding even though it's completely independent from which dog is it trust to register. also one of them what is it clear at the barriers of all as being a native speaker of russian and a resident of russia that in this language in this cultural context agent means for inspiring to live here i think the connotations are the same as in english for an
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agent in english doesn't sound preachy as well but people use these terms quite often cheers russian civilians regularly in russian it means. lawyers months the civically to demonize independent that to this what i would like to ask you something different. this year justice ministry has decided to look how complying with this law they initiated if i'm not mistaken i think around fourteen cases of legal proceedings against various angelos and in one out of fourteen cases those algos actually want legal proceedings in court against the state and this is in a country that according to human rights watch has no independent judiciary where the state prosecutors do you just sat and yours how would that be possible well i would you want to ruin your some dope of the problem as the first to wall the prosecutor's office actually launched this massive campaign of the. units of
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aggressive inspections over one fell then organisations rick choked across the country and in some cases those inspections were just completely over the top where activists were all asked for their correspondence when the prosecutors wanted access to their computers and so on and so forth but then dozens of groups received warnings i never would use to refuse not one to courts and one to proceedings. in a son's that's one of the things that sort of makes me a rarity because they waited for the foreign agents lawyers that the law was adopted and then the minister of justice himself so he was unhappy with the law he did not know how the ministry would find it possible to implement it because there were almost all of it and the several months nothing was happening then in two thousand thirteen in february president putin housing meeting with the federal security service and. suddenly says i'm bodily you know this law non-governmental
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organizations how come i'm not seen any implementation and as soon as he says that . the inspection competing is being launched and olders ideas it is really new from my direct question you show the court proceeding. so this is how planning and organization are taken to court and they start losing their cases in the picture is really very grim in mid july president putin says in the face of very strong international criticism. they are going to reconsider will possibly among the law and once he sells them out some organisations started winning the i.p.l. was and that's what you are referring to you see the shadow of mr putin in any single case in russia but we have to take a very short break now one we come back their russian government is often accused of using the law selectively against its critics but why did they break the law
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easily that's coming up in a few moments on worlds apart. live . play live. live live. live
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. the beginning of. my life. the dog was lost for six months. people. and it was easy to. scoot. because the islander so in the spirit of the new indigenous people but the world to choose this frozen life. this is could be right. if you are.
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approximately sixty percent of imports came from illegal fishing. the european union is ironically taking fish from some of the poorest nations on earth so this is a very serious and very urgent problem that needs immediate international action. on territorial waters they fish they load the fish into the ships and leave. the. illegal fishing just taking the bread out of our mouths. welcome back to all the parts where discussing the state of human rights in russia with time election not russia program director at human rights watch. just before
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the break we were talking about putting being implicated in pretty much everything in russia and that not everything has the high profile cases and told. well i think if you look around they have been there. level of paternalism is very high in this country and it seems that whether he likes it or not he is getting dragged on into . each and every case and i wonder whether it is sometimes the human rights campaigners that contribute to this very trend because when we have. a controversy with greenpeace protesters they had of greenpeace international was calling on to intervene now or we are discussing the horror kosky case and you're again pinning that on to putin and his personal and visions the arrive all the questions about you know whether those goals should be behind bars where again addressed to putin
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aren't people like you or at least putin putin sort of for these play of words onto the pedestal he's just the president why to treat him as this super being all of us a very unfortunate situation as boy call but the problem at a certain poor and the only way we resolve a problem is to address putin and see what actually happens because the judicial system does not blame him for trying living and this is the system that mr putin after the. new clause this past wick amidst all the need joisting of odorless of political prisoners human looked like santa claus sitting under the j. gansett mom owns christmas tree in the kremlin handing out gifts of a mother called. well that's exactly how it looked like and she knew one thing that i actually wanted to raise talking about political trust is just several other
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calls finally became a free man and after the in the top russian thousand and two upset by the name of guinea the call was sentenced to three years of the. present in a clearly political case. it is the reward the war russian justice harder. if it comes out rather to go well that's an interesting point that you raise because at his news conference in berlin. he was asked whether he feels any bitterness about spending saw much time behind bars and. i would like to play what what he said. a. bunch when i was running a large business in business i was fully aware. that i was a player in
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a very tough game just commuter me. conditional before she knew once the game you turned against me to reach became even tougher shoot him now i think he's being a bit vague here you can interpret that in many different ways but what i think he's saying is that he believes that selective justice was applied to him but he also recognizes that he did break the law and i think that applies to many of the people that you call political prisoners. activists of greenpeace activists some of the defendants in the case and i wonder if you believe that the political nature of their actions justifies them breaking the law well we're talking about selective prosecution and disproportionate prosecution and that's the nearest important thing here in the case of mr hodder well yes he says i've been playing rugby games but then at the same time we all knew that everyone who became rich as
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a result of russia's privatisation was breaking certain rules because the rules were very sort of lose and fast virtually nonexistent. so if their call to get was sent to jail then i guess everyone else to be in the same jail with him evert you see that russian justice is not selective you mentioned that especially back in two thousand and three rules of the game were not very clearly defined and what what our cost was locked up for you know was probably being done by many are there all the guards but now the state made it absolutely clear that it's not going to tolerate breaking the law neither in respect of greenpeace activists nor in with regards to protesters attacking the police or do you think that people who defend human rights in russia protesters activists do they have to change their actions now to make sure that they simply protect themselves legally from the prosecution
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by the speedball on the one nationally have to abide by it. more on the other the laws themselves should be actually in line with relevant international standards and the first thing that poor did when he returned to the kremlin was to run through the call him and a raft of laws which really detrimental to russians and i'm talking in particular about being new restrictions on demonstrations the new restrictions on freedom of information including specifically freedom of information online and the restriction. rigid and it's very difficult for civil society to operate i wonder if you're really following the social trends that we had our scene in russia because for many years the number of volunteers in russia has been on the increase and in fact the charities aid foundation just reported that last year russia made it to the global top ten by the number of people volunteering twenty five thousand people
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volunteering their time for the olympics what is that if not a sign of a strengthening civil society because in a country like russia where the sort of the fatigue of any collective action is very strong after communism years you know that when people are actually taking charge of their life when they are participating in gauging in a civil society is it just all interior movement is great and i just wonderful to see lou level initiatives flowing in the saudis actually. to see what's. problematic here is that the government is basically trying to split the civil society into the good civil society the barred civil society and the good one is the one which is doing things possibly helping people without criticizing the government the bollard one is the one who is trying to bring about policy changes and actually ramey de this problem. actually trying to break the law and i think we
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can see here a transition to the case of two memes. as of that band or just released on on the amnesty and dancing in the altar wasn't the most controversial action there were also famous for doing some stunts that involved nudity and even something that looked like fornication in public i wonder i would like to ask you a personal question because you have a long record of defending human rights in russia do you think there is any limit to self expression of political activists while prideaux the expression search is not limitless it can be chilly restricted to the restrictions of reasonable. by new means. the women from pussy of a group they had the right thing would realize see these are the rusted trawick on disproportionate charges because they buy new means perpetrated after
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hooligan is with a hate monty against russian witch who talks with it it just didn't know what happened it's something they did no one. really understands and we'll see of hooliganism motivated but really it was a little different so cool and want to be to kids it was really not a fair judgement at all and he said it time and again and even did richest draw it administered to me and sentenced to a. human rights watch would not intervene. the court system in russia we washed all of that particular kids very closely and yes it's a clear example of political manipulation of justice and the ruling was unfair. human rights watch operates in many countries and if you look around the
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world this issue of ethnic and especially of religious hatred is extra. only problem then and these days it's a major source of human rights violations in the middle east it's a major driver for wars now in syria in libya in afghanistan in iraq so i wonder if you believe that in this particular case the right to offend let's save religious sensitivities is more important important than the right not to be offended i think i said it but i don't mind repeating or to again. put. her actually trolling to disproportionately because they did not want perpetrate an act of color goodness women want to learn to stand by their actions and in fact during their own pretrial hearing they actually apologized to believers if those believers feelings were a found it so if they apologize that done probably they recognize that their actions were are viewed as all in russian orthodox that's not like our loved one
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that could signal and central mosque children not at all i became tuned to the pussy riot case only one of the women were actually taken into custody prior to that one they just have their whatever you want to call it which is second performance which is second political stunt as a russian orthodox i was like. it probably wasn't a good idea to do this in the church again i'm russian orthodox but they should not have gone to jail for that was the only thing i'm trying to say earlier mentioned some of the positive developments a rise of volunteering people being more engaged people taking to the streets i don't know if you would agree but i think some of the political discourse in russia has become more diverse compared to let's say five or six years ago why is something like that is not noticed by an international organization like yourself
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that is so devoted to the promotion of human rights and building the civil society but it is actually a chance to both three we're here in this room i spoke to a call of yours from russia to india knew about this situation with people with disabilities in russia. first of all one has to recognize the very nautical progress on the past two years especially on deposit with russia's ratified the convention on disability and even though there is still very serious problem if progress is tough in italy in place even more so we are really excited elitist and parked that russia is hosting the olympic games in addition to the olympic games in salt shape because last time russia hosted the olympics as you may remember in ninety eight c. and the soviet union refused to hose the pond. and there are
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a new people in this country so yes a lot has changed on been in the in saying that russia is the same as the so if you are that is it good to hear because i think some of your have alliance wouldn't suggest that because you use allusions to soviet union quite a lot but given your misgivings about the human rights situation in russia i wonder if you could have made that russia played a positive role in the snow than the farah because if it wasn't for russia he would . hooley have been locked locked out long ago and probably for a much longer duration than. well once noted in the second they actually made a statement saying that all the country that he had trusted with his requests. into his claims objective decisions and this is apparently what russia has done and that's newton and temporary refuge in this country this same charm
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it's rather peculiar while given refuge chill while near the whistleblower laws. one who is drawing to. an escape from the s.s. or its is being apparently sue that russia is at the same putting soo much pressure on its own whistleblower there is this harassment a whistleblower is going on in the country including the whistleblower insults there is a huge crush on environmentalist groups and only independent media that are trying to cover all the developments relevant to the olympics construction and there have been critical well i think what that shows is that human rights issues pro probably a major problem not just in russia but in many countries around the world and i guess that means that human rights watch has to have a lot of adopted in the future unfortunately we have to leave it here because we are out of time i appreciate your time and this spirited discussion and if you like
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