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any time you want. coming up on r t you've got congress' approval ratings were low before think again but new poll looks at how americans feel about their elected lawmakers and let's just say it's an all time low take a look at the numbers just ahead and part of a secretive trade deal known as the t.p. p. has come into the light we q it says released documents showing how the trans-pacific partnership would affect the u.s. and other negotiating nations for medicine internet freedom or on that coming up. and there are growing calls for the guantanamo bay detention camp to be close to president obama's promise to close the facility years ago hasn't been kept but what might a new debate brewing on capitol hill over the national defense authorization act mean forget about it that's later in the show.
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it's wednesday november thirteenth eight pm in washington d.c. i'm sam saxon you're watching our t.v. . and we begin with this a nine percent approval rating and no that's not toronto's crack smoking mayor rob ford's approval rating that's the united states congress's approval rating today according to a new gallup poll nine percent that's the lowest rating ever recorded in gallup's thirty nine year history of asking americans if they approve the way congress is handling its job just two months ago in september it looked like congress was making a comeback its approval rating was ten points higher nineteen percent still abysmally low but it's better than nine percent then the government shutdown happened and americans watched as a congress specifically a right wing political faction in congress who had twenty four billion dollars hole into the economy and cut g.d.p. growth by more than a half percent that was the cost of the government shutdown and the deal brokered
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to end it virtually guaranteed that will repeat this disaster again at the beginning of next year but this is the way things have been going all year you may remember back in april when congress' approval rating was slightly higher fifteen percent they couldn't even pass gun safety measures that had the support of more than ninety percent of americans again a bill that had the support of ninety percent of americans couldn't pass congress thanks to a filibuster in the senate and one of the reasons why that gun bill was failed was that lawmakers were afraid it would lead to a national gun registry that the government would keep track of all gun owners. then a few months later everyone found out that the government is sort of keeping track of all gun owners well all americans in general when edward snowden b.n. releasing documents expose the n.s.a. is global in domestic spying operations and guess who is completely blindsided by
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the n.s.a. activities congress and institution were told is providing the necessary oversight to sum up how congress has handled these n.s.a. revelations here were two members of congress on one of the chief committees in charge of oversight the house intelligence committee arguing over when the committee knew what about the n.s.a.'s program spying on world leaders would be interested to know the stream and we would be happy doesn't take those down to the committee and spend a couple of hours going through mounds of product that would allow a member to be as informed as a member wishes to be on sources and methods and all activities of the intelligence community under the national intelligence framework i would just say and i just think this we need to be careful about what i've tried of i but i need on us to use the classification and i think would be disingenuous mr chairman if you're suggesting we have information if we don't have it. it's congress's job to keep the intelligence community in check it's failed utterly at that job and that's not my
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opinion that's coming straight from another member of congress from self alan grayson but we see from the congressional of crime these congressional oversight committees regarding our so-called intelligence community is not the they're performing oversight rather overlooking and systematically doing so i think that they become apologists for the spying industrial complex and that i have literally never seen them do anything other than rationalize these in some cases gross abuses and constitutional violations particularly with regard to domestic surveillance the confluence of surveillance revolutions revelations the refusal to do something about gun violence and the dysfunction in the budgeting process have highlighted the inability of congress to do really anything which is reflected in these historically low approval ratings americans struggling to stay in their homes or pay their student loans or find a job have had to look elsewhere for help organizations like strike that are
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stepping up to address the needs of constituent americans and for now congress seems to be done legislating for the year closing out one of the most unproductive years in the history of lawmaking no immigration reform no budget deal nothing which worse there's still another year left in one hundred thirteenth congress and if things continue this way especially with an election looming then that nine percent number today might look pretty good come next november. staying on capitol hill lawmakers in the house may have just killed the trans-pacific partnership with a t.v. a quick refresher of the t.p.a. is a new trade deal in the works that would open up markets between nations along the pacific rim like the united states canada and japan but there are major concerns that the trade deal could hurt workers in the united states and infringe on online privacy in a free and open internet those concerns are only heightened by the high level of secrecy surrounding. p.-p. trade negotiations where even members of congress have complained they're being
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shut out of the process by more powerful transnational corporations spight all of that this trade deal was headed for a fast track approval in congress meaning it couldn't be filibustered and it couldn't be amended this is basically the way congress has passed every trade deal over the last few decades but this time things may work differently hundred seventy lawmakers in the house have signed on to a letter telling the obama administration that they will not grant fast track authority on the tepee pit a move that could effectively killed the trade deal altogether not only that some of the inner workings of the t.p.a. have now been dragged out of the shadows and into the sunlight this morning wiki leaks leaked the actual text of the intellectual property chapter of the trans-pacific partnership a ninety five page document revealing in great detail just where negotiations currently stand on a number of very important issues the documents expose the united states as one of the primary drivers of a slew of new anti-consumer laws that could take effect all across the pacific i
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was joined earlier to discuss these new developments in the tepee by peter may bardak director of access to medicine at public citizen and james love director at knowledge ecology international i started out by asking james what do the documents that were released today by wiki leaks show us we have to depend on we can leaks to find it with the hell's going on i mean the cream is really about patents and copyrights primarily some some issues about trademarks these are not you would think big city state secrets but it's about it's really in. this chapter has really been driven by the lobbying by the pharmaceutical companies in hollywood and what you see in here is the united states table you know a whole slew of proposals that would benefit pharmaceutical companies and hollywood on the in the in the patent copyright area that sort of thing and then and then you see the pushback from other countries and so you can. you can see on any particular issue how the various members japan and australia malaysia approved different
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countries kind of kind of follow on these examiners sure ports the road up there's still a lot of negotiating to be done the report showed. a lot of these provisions there's not agreement between the united states and other nations and that's gives people who are seeing these documents an incredible opportunity to weigh in here well yeah and i mean the u.s. is talking like going to close the agreement out by the end of the year there's there's nine hundred brackets in the text i mean it you know they have a next meeting next week i mean this isn't the most recent version but it's but there's not a lot changed since this was written so i think it's it's hard to say what we don't know is politically what kind of deals are being made i think that the us is going to trade. market access to the united states which will cost some people their jobs in the united states in return for these other countries and some measure of anti consumer provisions that will keep drug prices high and will expand the rights of
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publishers at the expense of consumers. peter on this issue of keeping drug prices high i don't think a lot of people understand are where of the patents that go into medicine and patenting surgical methods what do these documents show about how you know certain medicines that are creating the us or surgical methods that are created in the us. aren't exactly going to be as available to other parts of the world that need them that's right well it's called trade agreement but really this is a secretive rule making against public health and it would lead to preventable suffering and death in asia and latin america while binding us consumers to high drug prices bad rules here at home there are a number of bad proposals that have been advanced by big pharma and as you mentioned includes incredibly patents on surgical methods own the methods that doctors are actually using on patients there. treatment practices anything that's not what the doctor's bare hands potentially patentable monopolised you this is
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some guy who wasn't there way before i mean the surgical methods used to be something that people can just use that can be patented there are only two countries in the world that at that recognize that recognize these patents one is the united states the other is australia which actually opposes the u.s. proposal in the text eighty countries have banned these procedures outright is an outrageous violation of medical ethics this move in the house to. kind of stand up against this fast track fast tracking of this trade deal is that really significant because we know it will if all these countries are coming together negotiate something and they're afraid that whatever they come out whatever they come up with that the u.s. is going to take it back to congress and congress is going to amend it in make all these changes to it they just might walk away from the table these other countries could this move to not fast i could actually kill the trade deal together by think you have to have pressure on both sides and it's an outrageous secretive process and this is going to significantly increase the pressure not only the congressional
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move but the fact that for the first time countries proposals are are exposed in the united states is visibly isolated it is clearly lost the debate and is simply trying to bully and pressure countries by hook or by crook into lining up with big pharma hollywood anywhere in the united states can get that agreement but it's really not looking very good for those proposals and james does this still gives enormous power to transnational corporations and it weakens the power to some extent of sovereign governments to be able to pass laws that affect their own citizens and this comes out of this whole dispute resolution process and these kind of courts that are created in this still can you explain more about the process by which corporations can sue governments over laws that help consumers. i think that's the most important thing that's going to take place this agreement the most trade agreements or most people think of trade agreements as agreements between countries the world trade organization you can only have a dispute if
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a country sues another country and that does happen but it doesn't happen with. huge amount of frequency partly because countries are kind of reluctant to do that and maybe they have if it's been about their intellectual property laws they may have something in their own country that they don't really you know want to fight over but if you extend the right to litigate these things to private companies as the t p p does in the investor state provisions. then you eat then you're asking really disney or fives or or monsanto if they want to challenge a provision in a country's law and they really have nothing to lose and they will they will then push the awful open they really push these things so right now you've gone from a situation for a lot of these provisions where they could maybe test it or they could try to get a government to test it and now they can try the w t o if that doesn't work they can try to have a government raise it in the tepee this regional trade agreement and if that doesn't work they can just bring an action themselves and if they cut and if
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a company wins against against the government you can have massive fines that the country has to pay to the private investors just for doing so it's designed to protect consumers you know there is this is one chapter of the agreement there are twenty nine there are twenty eight chapters left trout in secrecy if if this one chapter does so much what are the other twenty chapters do that's a frightening that's a frightening point in this comes amid a time where people are afraid of you and one world governments and stuff with all these treaties this seems like one world government here the straight out we're out of we're out of time here five seconds great going to pull out yeah i mean it it should not be secret the only reason i think it is secret is because there is no one in the white house and there's no one in the congress this willing to say that it should be public other than maybe elizabeth warren and ron wyden and it's been there been very little congressional support for this spearman maybe director of access to medicine and public citizen and james lowe director of knowledge ecology international thank you both moving out of this state in two thousand and one president george w.
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bush signed an executive order giving him the power to detain suspected terrorists and it should. to try them in military commissions this order pave the way for the prison facility at guantanamo bay it now open nearly twelve years and despite presidential promises high profile hunger strikes and growing discontent around the world that prison is still open and there are doubts if it will ever close artie's on a starter churkin it delivers her final report on what's really going on inside. her . for her when it comes to this president the numbers. since being set up after the attacks of nine eleven a total of seven hundred seventy nine hundred have been held at guantanamo today one hundred sixty four people remain over half of them have been long cleared for release but remain locked up a total of six people is currently under trial alleged prisoners of war brought
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here since two thousand and two removed from the battlefield of america's ever expanding war on terror it's both the policy of the u.s. not to hold anyone longer than necessary but we also know that whenever we release someone we assume a writ that's over a period of more than a decade the majority of detainees held here have been set free and if the men of guantanamo are really these superhuman monsters you know the worst of the worst quote dick cheney. they would have been released. most of those still kept locked up have not been charged and are being held indefinitely what sort of a black hole of the existing in would the president of the united states simply refuses to say the innocent but u.s. officials say the law of war remains behind this barbed wire the idea that in a war when you capture folks you as capturing authority are permitted to hold people during the duration of hostilities. when hostilities and or if there's no longer any purpose legitimate purpose to hold them then they must be released
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a tiny problem the war on terror has no geographic borders with men once held here repeat treated to a wide array of countries. are only specific to guantanamo you can't even you couldn't even have a case on the us mainland because it would be unconstitutional and illegal the war on terror also has no end in sight and national security is a popular excuse to simply ignore the law the spite the rhetoric it really isn't about national security or prisoners being so dangerous that they can't possibly be released and that can't be true after being locked up the legal process if any moves at a glacial pace in two thousand and twelve five detainees were transferred to had completed their military commission sentence two were court ordered released. detainees been repatriated and one was a suicide over the years countless detainee claims of mistreatment and abuse dozens of suicide attempts mass hunger strikes lost patience and hope just this year the
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majority of the prison population refused to eat for six months straight only to be force fed the. mandate that we have is being able to provide adequate nutrition to preserve life washington has appointed a new and avoid to close a camp that is a dark spot on america's image this comes after a massive hunger strike that returned the world's attention to the place that some have dubbed the gulag of our times even if it seems. to mean a state in u.s. history forever it's very easy to end one ton of right you release the men. you're not prosecuting. and as you said only six men are being prosecuted right now the military prosecutor has made clear that he intends to prosecute a few more but he's also made. or that it won't be more than a few more barack obama promised to close the notorious facility on day one of his
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presidency he's now in his second term it's only a president who can do it and the idea that it's you know that it's congress's fault is just not correct it is the president that holding these men in detention some the president has to come in and this. it's hard to tell right now exactly how long we'll be down here doing this mission. her. or her. one ton a movie cuba on a saucer turkey joins me now from our studios in new york and here in washington d.c. i'm joined by someone also very familiar with what's going on at guantanamo colonel morris davis former chief prosecutor. i want to start with you how closely are those who work at the prison and are involved in the legal process there or even detained there how closely are they following this debate stateside following the promises the president has made in the recent moves he's made toward closing the
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facility and what do they make of it all well you know i you know i asked him curiously oftentimes when we spoke with officials get mo it sounded a little bit like they're not really paying too close attention in terms of when this facility is going to be shut down many of the personnel employed there you know it's just another deployment for them for many of them a very kind of proud location to work at and because there's been so much back and forth coming from the white house in terms of what exactly to do with these detainees it seems like many of the officials on the ground at least have stopped kind of paying attention and they just don't know and they're just waiting to hear what's going to happen in terms of the detainees we certainly having spoken to countless lawyers know that they follow certainly very closely what's going to happen to them because of these indefinite conditions they're being held in for one we know they we've been told that they watch our t.v. as one of their news sources so you know certainly the detainees are watching everything closely in terms of officials not so much. when you are there is
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a kind of a bubble there are people where the kind of coverage that guantanamo gets around the world and the kind of debate that's going on in the united states about it they do i think they're very conscious that you have to go back to the beginning recall . this was not a mission the military ever wanted this was a decision made by political appointees in the bush administration to try to avoid the law and the uniformed judge advocate general all opposed so this is not a mission the military wanted twelve years ago and i don't think they still want to today i remember you told me that last time we talked about this that you guys kind of went along with it trusting that you would make that this would be looked at later kind of like the nuremberg trials where they looked at but we know now it didn't work out what you were in every process the military justice system there what are the flaws in it why has it not been able to do what ideally it should be doing well you know the process that started under president bush twelve years ago today signed the order that authorized military commissions and then in two
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thousand and six the u.s. supreme court said it was a lawful order that it was unconstitutional violated the geneva conventions and shut it down congress passed the military commissions act of two thousand and six then in two thousand and nine new president obama got another military commissions act so we've tried and tried and tried and failed and even attorney general holder said last week in hindsight they should have prosecuted police checked muhammad and the others in federal court back in two thousand and nine so that was the right decision then it's still the right decision now and just pet you wait you know this twelve years of failure at guantanamo just continues to undermine america's reputation and you said the civilian trials i mean there's been fewer than seven i think actual military commissions or that attempted meanwhile there's been how many civilian trials i don't it's in the seven military commissions they were all convicted of providing material support for terrorism which the court of appeals here in washington said is not a legitimate law of war offense so we convicted seven people of
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a crime this is not a crime but honest i see it is fear what's alternately keeping the prison open i saw in the report captain robert duran noted that anytime someone is released quote we assume a risk that suggests fear is the motive motivating. after here and just how founded is this fear that people who are released will come back and strike america. well like you know this this is the problem of releasing the detainees that we've heard a lot on the ground was that this particular concern that they're going to return to committing certain acts of terrorism and being back to being involved in the war on terror and the numbers that u.s. officials are citing are at over twenty five percent which seems at least to me personally a little bit excessive because of all of these people that were detained if they ended up being released and not charged and not seen as dangerous why is it that these huge numbers returned to the battlefield according to u.s. officials why release them in the first place and why hold them there for so long
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without really investigating these personalities of that's what this prison is there for i think that's a pretty big question but in terms of the fear you know it's a very a popular concern that even the existence of this president self just ends up fueling more anti-american sentiment so certainly it's just like a vicious circle and i don't think many people these days consider. to be a cure of anything at this point colonel davis there's two events on the rise near there's a new national defense authorization act that's going to be depended on at the end of this year there's usually that's usually been used to deal with one ton of mo and at the end of bird sometime next year the war in afghanistan it's supposedly going to end of course that was passed with the authorization for use of military force which underpins going to win the war in afghanistan ends does the u m f go away and what does that do to guantanamo well it does i mean that's been kind of debated argument on whether that was a legitimate justification this law of war you can detain the enemy notion but certainly even that notion and twenty fourteen so there's about thirteen months for
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the u.s. government to figure out what we're going to do with these guys can they make up a new legal fiction to justify keeping them where they do the right thing and begin repatriating the ones that need. go home and prosecuting the ones that need to be prosecuted but it passed the indiait is passed out of the senate armed services committee gives the president more authority so i'm hoping that the senate will pass that when he comes up next there's the waiver national security waiver that the president still has in years and he will be able to use it again we'll see what happens are going to new york and colonel morris davis former chief prosecutor at demo here in d.c. thank you both tonight's resident takes a look at a book titled arrest proof yourself it's by a former cop named dale carson and it carson offers tips on how to not get arrested in america however some of his tips are well pretty bizarre take a look. ex
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cop and former f.b.i. worker dale carson wrote a book called the arrest proof yourself which just came out in its second edition in it he gives tips about how do not to get arrested in america the first rule carson suggest you follow as if police can see you they can't arrest you so the best way to fly under the police radar is to stay locked in your home but if you are going to go out in public trying to do that after dark and if you really must go out then you should try to blend in house are a tool to income bruey so if you're wearing a wild clothes are going to loud clubs or drive a sports car or have
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a unique hairdo you're going to attract the attention of the cops so to avoid arrest carsley says you should do your best to be boring but if you really must takes pressed your individuality when you go out you should know that every interaction with a cop entails two contests one for psychological dominance and one for custody of your body carson advised as giving in on the first in order to win the second carson acknowledges that it's belittling and insulting to be questioned by cops when you haven't done anything wrong but he's quick to point out that that is less in felting they'd be arrested he's got a point there to win the psychological battle carson writes that you should be polite and respectful you should make eye contact. but don't smile because he says cats don't like miles you should be dignified unless you are starting to lose the
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battle in which case you should become pitiful you should tell the cop how the o. rest will impact your employment or family and if that doesn't work you should be based yourself by bawling hard while begging to not be arrested and if that doesn't work cars then they actually suggests. your pants or volunteer to go on your cell so the cops won't want to put you in their crew there i've not kidding. i encourage you to buy the book so you can have something funny to read while you're in your own home it has many more tips for how not to get arrested in america but none of them are don't do anything illegal which is the only thing you should that have to do to avoid arrest here in america. the fact that in the land of the free you have to refrain from being yourself just to avoid confrontation with the cops
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is truly arresting tonight let's talk about that by following me on twitter at a rest. and foreign legion goal to lives ok it's not exactly what i read having visioned you know worlds billionaire industrialist slaying the state going on strike and joining up with a revolutionary john galt of a mountain stream exciting to a libertarian paradise but it's close well sort of gold gold chile is a farming community in central chile and it's building itself as the world's first libertarian real estate project to accept a big coins that virtual currency that is soaring to new heights gold sculptures made up of eleven thousand acres of land prime for farming with apple access to both ground and surface water the spokesperson for the community jeff berwick who founded big corn a.t.m. said gee. like big coins i think a land in emerging markets will only increase in value over the coming years the
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u.s. dollar and other fee are currencies will continue to collapse and we recommend those holding dollars to divest themselves of those dollars as soon as possible we also want to show our commitment to big coin except at very happily as payment for land at gold's gulch so we have an ever increasing virtual currency being used to purchase ever increasing in value tracts of land well it could possibly go wrong that's going to do it for now more on the stories we covered go to youtube dot com slash r t america check out our website r t dot com slash usa your follow me on twitter at sam sachs for now take it easy. i got a quote for you. it's pretty tough to. stay where it's about story. because this guy like you would smear that guy in stead of working for the people most tissues the mainstream media are working for each other bribery was visiting.
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the brother but it was. going outside to an active camp had walked on a trip where patients are forced back in the aftermath of our strike never turned the world's attention to the places that some jobs gulag of our times. i'm. a society that i think corporation kind of can. do i'm the bag i think it's all been all about money and i'm a nationally pick for a politician breaking the law and i think it's.


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