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we broke. the law but i washed it in d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on a special edition of the big picture starting off that i will take a look back at my conversations with great minds with former republican congressman bob ney of ohio in our conversation i asked congressman ney how he got into politics and whether he thought capitol hill has changed since he left office then we'll revisit my discussion with feminist and ms magazine founder gloria steinem or we spoke about her life in activism and her opinion of the future of the women's movement and by the way f y i my new book the crash of twenty sixteen the plot to destroy america and what we can do to stop it is now available for preorder at all
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online retailers like amazon dot com and your local bookstore so check it out and now my conversations with great minds with bob ney. bert that is conversations in great minds i'm joined by republican congressman bob ney former congressman from one thousand nine hundred five until two thousand and six congressman ney represented the eighteenth district of ohio in the united states house of representatives he was first elected to his seat in one thousand nine hundred four and served as the chairman of the house administration committee for five out of the eleven years of his congressional career earning the nickname the mayor of capitol hill congressman ney has worked as a political analyst for talk radio news service since two thousand and eight and host his own program the bob ney radio show on w v l y out of west virginia his new book sideswipes lessons learned courtesy of the men of capitol hill is a must read for. anyone who wants an inside book at the way our government really
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works for an inside look both the book and it's a brilliant book are really scary bob ney great to have you with us to be here. one of your distinctions is you're the guy who named freedom fries right you were you were just going to hold at that time that you're out and working with john boehner and actually before we get to that i'd like to start out with you. what what got bob ney into politics i ginned up in washington d.c. what i outlined in the book but i basically i came out of church one day and a friend of my dad stump alito said what do you want to do i said i want to go to college and i want to go to law school and so you got to work for somebody in politics i said who he said jim rhodes who's running in against governor gilligan again i says the republican or democrat because i'm from a three percent republican index county belmont county when they said he's republican i said i don't want to register republican they said you don't have to
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if you believe in jim rhodes work for him that's what started it. and others you'd campaign and then and then you went to law school and then knowing they were your law school you did should have yeah but i did yeah and eventually actually you got ensnared in the whole jack able thing and this took you down well that's right i had a political career where i was a look at the state representative defeated a former congressman a very powerful congressman a good man we know hayes is deceased now and i was about twenty six at that time became a state rep a state senator and then when i turned forty i ran for the u.s. house so i had a career of about twenty four years and then it fell fast met jack aber muffin the rest is history i've interviewed jack and my. sense and i'm very reluctant to say this but he's so glib and i so got the sense that he. saying whatever people wanted to hear that it was it
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was setting off my sociopath alarm and that's very strong thing to say and i'm not saying that i know that jackie ralph is a sociopath but i know that so surpassed behave the way in many regards jackie able has been characterized as behaving. and typically people like that so leave a lot of wreckage of their lives a lot of hurt people a lot of damage lives what was your involvement with jack gave them off and how did that affect your why radically i got involved with jack because i was not on the good side of tom delay and i think what he has house who was close to jack off and jack was a power broker everybody wanted to be around jack and i wanted to rise you know rise in the ranks to go for speaker of the house. and knew who he was but i got involved with jack because he was the money guy he could raise money and also he was close to delay that would help defuse some of the problems i had with delay
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over labor union issues minimum wage issues except for a and so that's why i got involved with jack and i don't blame jack you know for what what happened i made my own bed got to lie in it and you're quite clear about that and i make that very clear but at the end of the day jack was i think something to anybody and as my former chief of staff who worked for jack says the edge could try talk a dog off of the meat truck. so again i take responsibility but i've got to tell you jack was i think something to everybody and you ended up getting busted for. this that had to do with the scotland trip went to it went to prison well it was two charges i pled to one was on a fee for services which has been found unconstitutional by the u.s. supreme court period and in two thousand and ten for everybody you know it wasn't a case of me the second was false the case of the federal document that was the scotland trip where. put down i think thirty nine hundred the trip was who knows
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and he be seven or eight thousand dollars so those are the two charges not not bribery the honest fee for services when they can't catch on bribery then they get you for all this fee for services right and you serve what seventeen months seventeen months what was it was that experience like i know you've become quite an advocate for prison reform but it's interesting you know i didn't have a speeding ticket or maybe one in my life before that and also i'm in prison and i remember a guy looked at me and said you know you put me in here you coauthored the methamphetamine bill i want to remember that course i did at the time but i went in there and i thought wow i've got to be one day at a time of got to survive by became good friends with a lot of people more with what i call the blue collar crime that the drug ice in prison than the white collar crime because the drug guys were more street smart they didn't whine as much as white collar criminals did but on top of that they were people who came from some pretty tough backgrounds and i soon discovered that
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these are not the big drug cartel guys these are addicks majority of them are addicts they're being warehoused in prison and they put themselves in prison versus the government going after them and i say that because there needs to be a different way we approach these people who are addicts in there who have become involved in drugs yes my. lawmaker lawbreaker and i saw both sides of this issue and so now you're suggesting the drug addiction should be dealt with as a medical rather than a legal problem yes there's actually a way to do it and there's a rehab program unfortunately not offered everybody in prison and that's unfortunate but they could go through this program get out early and then if they violate certain standards yes they could go back and serve their time but you know you take night i mean there are people i could name in prison that were in for marijuana sales etc and some of them were in for fifteen to twenty years now what purpose does that serve after after ten years so there could be. program to go
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through rehab and then if they violate certain standards or rules then they would go back in there right now we're warehousing people it is not rehabilitation it is warehousing and punishment and i understand nobody has sympathy for me that's why i promote for the people in there that are really drug addicts that need some other type of help but we have a i mean there are there are there's a major industry a couple of years ago i forget which year it was the number one growth industry in the united states was the private prison business but i basically the only thing it was and and they've got a lot of power on capitol hill how do you do prison reform or drug policy or. even or any of those kind of things in the face of an industry that wants to have more and more prison slave labor twenty six dollars a month slave labor is what it is a lot about the guards the guards of course they do oversee the inmates but the prison industries a slave labor type or so as a prisoner the people work twenty six dollars forty dollars
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a month they do certain things for for corporations they do program mean you know something that we've done the outside now people say well they're teaching them a trade not really i mean it's a wage that benefits somebody in the corporate structure and again they're not into rehab programs i guess if they were working and were doing rehab programs i might look at that a little bit different but the person industries i think is something that they don't need to look into it but it's very powerful it has a lot of power up on capitol hill and nobody really wants to dare look into it now you talked about the attics and prison you in your book you're fairly candid about the fact that you yourself at that point in your political career when it came crashing down around you were pretty much addicted to alcohol. and you want to talk about that a little bit want to salute you and i'm very candid in the book and it's so my friends had to put that in there and i did and i'm in recovery and i'm involved with twelve step program i'm involved regular with them but i. i mention it in
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there because of the fact that i want people to understand whether they're in congress or they're working some regular type of job that is not a congressional office job that they can become lured into substances that can affect it can affect their job it can affect their family collateral damage on all these things now i don't say alcohol made me do this i had bad behavior but i have to tell you if i was not addicted to alcohol and alcoholic i would i think have looked at things a little bit different so that's a part of my life i want to share with people because you have to watch what you ingest into your body who you hang around with and your judgment and trust your gob a little bit and that's a message i try to send in this book that goes way beyond capitol hill well and there's a certain element of it takes one to know one and you're not necessarily asserting that the book i mean these are my words but my use of an old cliche but you seem to portray john boehner as basically
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a high functioning alcoholic you know i this book got a lot of attention because of that and it's a part of the book and then i expose some things that need to be known about the speaker and his involvement with his involvement with some appointments for president bush and his involvement behind the scenes with this whole scandal that i created but he did see some opportunities i think for himself and for the bush administration but having said that i'm not trying to be judge mental but you know he is third in line for the presidency of united states and if speaker of former speaker pelosi had the same situation i would have shared that information to you know he is third in line and if i'm wrong about the alcohol let's see if he can stop for six months and not have a drink i think people need to know that he is into i believe was a situation of a problem with the alcohol and i do mention in the book and so again i'm trying but he's third in position of power and i think that it was. a fair information to
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share and by the way it's nothing that nobody on capitol hill is an open secret. but but what's not so much an open secret is some of what i would characterize as criminality that you're describing john boehner was involved in i mean passing out checks on the floor of the house taking you know tobacco from the tobacco industry it is just you know some of the wheeling and dealing. had nancy pelosi done those things it seems to me the republicans would have taken her down so fast and so publicly i think they would have been and again this is not just to go on a rant because i dislike john boehner i don't hate john boehner as speaker boehner but you know every night he would go to the round table of the tobacco lobbyist everybody knows that he would be seen would be viewed over there he would drink and eat for free everybody knows that for eight or nine years now a lot of this stop when i got into trouble and a lot of these things have been codified now into law as a legal way to do things but but they're not so it's not legal for him to do it
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we're now a lot of things have been again made legal this one wasn't drained it was made legal but but what he did passing out tobacco checks on the floor of the house which is what happened carter former cars were large and exposed that. eating on somebody else's tab for years some of the golfing you know the things that he did were illegal and again i point some of this out in the book not to just disparage him but to say that these these existed at the highest levels now why has his he wasn't taken to task for is a decision the justice department not myself you know and i would think you know frankly why the democrats aren't talking about it but but that's a whole nother conversation i suppose we'll come back right back with more of tonight's conversations with great minds with congressman bob ney right after birth .
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well the back to conversations with great minds i'm speaking with bob name former republican congressman from ohio and author of the new book sideswiped lessons learned courtesy of the man of capitol hill so bob one of the things you say in the
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book and in fact this i thought this was such this is a great quote you say american workers and it's a marvelous is this this book is so dense with incredible stuff and i'm just a standard i have to say independent of what anybody else may say i'm just out of the you know one of the group one of the groups one of the good government groups has not picked up your book and come to you and say you know let's let's go take some depositions. and you're willing. anyhow you say let's talk about policy from what you say the mega rich conservative koch brothers power brokers like karl. they can raise dollars in a snap of a finger you say after you know everybody on the right complains about george soros and then you know american workers are put on the back burner and the american middle class has been shifted to the back of the bus and this is something that's been achieved by both the right and the left money is money power is power in a small group of billionaires deciding the course of america is just plain wrong i
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think a lot of people wouldn't disagree with the sentiment but is that really how america is running right and it's not so much the left and right as much as it is some democratic members and republican members of congress in the sense that the free trade deals and of course during the election they're all going to go get china and then the election ends and the american workers like on a treadmill and everything is supposed to be wal-mart and wal-mart will employ everybody and you know promote the government promotes spend your money buy things so you know you talk. to me i make beats and i sell it to somebody else we've lost the manufacturing base large corporations came to the congress got enough for the democratic side in a lot of the republican side is that let's do these trade deals it's going to make everybody's life better and it's going to change the behavior and human rights in china and the american worker and it's just continuously been put on the back burner i argue and the big money people are still running the show and we've lost
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some of the issues we were that were are were the members of both political parties to stand up for working people you know what about arming the faction base what about giving people you know the chance maybe they can't get an education when they could work in a steel mill or in a coal mine they could work in a factory they could raise a family today everybody is being geared towards you know everybody has to go to college and nobody can go to college but she was stupid situation right now of congress is in action but at the end of the day i think that the middle class has been put on the back burner and a lot of the workers have not had the opportunity to. a fair shake in this whole process and the big money people keep you know spending the big money in the politicians have to raise the money to. or the politicians have to raise the money from the big money big money people who you know i remember corporations would would come into my office they say you know we're going to sell you an one aspirin two billion people in china and we're going to bring that money back you know they
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want to make the aspirin right they want to they want to sell it and bring the money back here what you know i asked for a sanders this once. senator and coauthored bills with him bernie's an amazing man and i asked him once what's it like dealing with lobbyists and he said i don't know i don't want them into my office. i'm guessing as a former republican congressman that wasn't quite your experience what what is it like dealing with lobbyists you have a good lobbyist stories are. decent lobbyist but i had a lobbyist one time that was from procter and gamble and he came in he browbeat a young lady that worked for me she was into tears just browbeat her i had another one to place his fist on my desk and pounded it and he said i can't say everything on this program but we gave you five thousand dollars we put you in here and i said you can all get out of my office and he said but we're your constituents i said doesn't matter you can leak and nobody believes after my escapade which i gave up but we had situations like that where sometimes people would say i gave you money.
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i expect sure and that is direct bribery if you've ever wanted to see it now and i wish i would have kept the same standard i had back then when dealing you know with . myself in a lobbyist later on but sure there's good people there so there's browbeating what you're describing is going on literally right now it goes on and both parties you'll hear that sometimes the leaders say they've been good to us and you hear it in private conferences you bring a member of congress here from either party and say look has anybody ever really stood up in these private meetings and said describes good good to. to say it has to happen sure happens and that started to cross that bright line how do we solve that we solve it by the leaders i mean i wish in a perfect world john boehner and nancy pelosi would get together and they could do it in ten or fifteen minutes and say we're really going to drain the swamp we're really going to take we're going to have public financing both parties are going to
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agree to this we're going to put together a package maybe even a constitutional amendment we're going to limit the power we're not going to have this these loopholes around the law and we're going to get back to the legislating and back to the public back to the good old debates stead of all the money raising do it the good old fashioned way we used to do it maybe just twenty five years ago now i've i've talked with a number of members of congress including a number of republicans who have said this is sometimes on the record sometimes off that they would love to see corporate personhood in the doctrine that money is speech this supreme court about a doctrine vanish from the american landscape because they're spending thirty forty fifty i had a i had a guy tell me spend sixty percent of his time now raising money and because he knows that if he doesn't every morning when he wakes up if he doesn't raise ten thousand dollars by the end of the day he's not going to be a member of congress and this is like that's what he's got to do jim is a magic date both parties look at june of your first year when you're special when
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you're newly elected if you haven't raised one hundred fifty thousand have in the bank they said there i've done it. we can go after that one and then all sudden the non coordinated money machine and you know the karl rove magically somehow by e.s.p. george soros knows who to go after well they're out they get on target lists this becomes public information they have to raise enough money these are vulnerable to immediately so they have to go raise money and a lot of them look there's a lot of the members of congress that despise having to go across the street taking their chief of staff with them by the way who are federally paid they'll do it so they take them and they said there were a how are you do. and how's your wife how's your children you know you bought five tickets i mean they go through this whole scripted speech i've done city making the phone call and they want to be over the capitol a lot of them want to be over the capitol so it can't be over the capitol because you get this catch twenty two they raise the money to stay in because the super pacs are targeting them and the citizens united decision and all this money you
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know from both sides is pouring in and i outlined that in the book actual stories of people that have to fight if you can have three or four million spending against you in a matter of a month. so we have a situation now where many members of congress and perhaps even most members of congress would love to be legislators rather than plumbers and yet you've got some very deep pocketed billionaires and some very large corporations who are doing just fine thank you very much for the system as it is right now in fact probably the most profitable return on investment in america right now is to buy a congress that's right and it's not that expensive and you know you had john mccain and he was any money as we know it he was a maverick he has made a maverick since the movie came out. and he came to the committee i chaired and i knew that was a joke at the time but didn't that made made loopholes for can find oh yes that you could drive a mack truck through just the five twenty seven course the supreme court decision
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on united states and united but mccain in the people's mind so he ended he ended this know it escalate it right so if if if the if the powers that be don't want things to change how do we change is it just a public uprising is that what it's going to take the public which still works for congressmen gets six hundred phone calls into their office they start to panic because the staff says we've had six hundred phone calls on the topic if the people who come together demand change and all it takes is all it takes are it will take the leaders to take them to get together and they can make they can actually make change. people are probably listening so you know what planet is he on but it happens and mccain feingold the public to me had to change it was just the wrong change because mccain you know was orchestrating his own presidential field he didn't stop with a lot but people if they demand a change in this country it's their vote still counts their voice still counts they've got to get together to do it and get the right platform going excellent
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point excellent point. another one of the things i find really interesting about your. transformation i mean it's there's not another word for it is after coming out of prison. first to congress then coming out of prison you've been spending a whole lot of time with a fellow that we've both met his holiness the dalai lama in fact you were in india just last week which is about two weeks ago and i saw it so in a teaching what's that about ellen ratner my good friend and your friend in two thousand and ten said you need to go to india need to recharge your batteries i went over state of the bet in college and you know studied some of the buddhism studied some language and some anthropology and the next thing i know you know i get into an audience of a friend of mine dr akers i knew from columbus and she got us into an audience which ellen rather and then with the dalai lama and i go to his teachings you know
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i'm not a buddhist but i think that the philosophy is a great stay in the moment thing and after what i went through meditation helped me and i think we can all learn a lot about compassion and and peace from the dalai lama oh i found him to be yeah he's he's he's remarkable so in the two minutes or so that we have we were at this what's what do you think we were talking with congressman bob ney sideswiped is his book and what is the main message you want people to walk away with. the main message i think is. throughout your life you know. who you are you deal with no matter what your position or job is trust your gut try to try to look ahead and see you know decisions you're making now today how they're going to affect you and how you're going to affect your family and watch with substance abuse which is
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has plagued a lot of america i think that's a message in here but also i try to give a message you know the reality that things really have not changed it was more there are a few rotten apples in the barrel i think the barrels rot and i try to give the message of hope to people that you know if they read this you know they can still demand change demand change within their government so i hope that the book gives a message that if you if you get down you can get back up how do you how do you describe yourself politically. i'm a registered republican but if i were to run which i'm not going for. number four for a bridge with spit eliot and everybody else but if i were to run as an independent i'm a registered republican but you know my species within the republican party of moderates has been pretty well cleansed out that some good friends have quit congress because they're moderates out with the as our. congressman bob ney sir thank you so much for being with us it's been a great conversation. to see this and other conversations with great minds go to
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me for tonight's conversations of the great minds is gloria steinem the steinem as a result we're now a feminist activist and journalist and the co-founder of both ms magazine and along with jane fonda and robin morgan women's media group writing has been featured in new york magazine which she also helped found as well as in ms square and the new york times and i caught the women's movement this steinem is one of the leaders of the campaign to pass the equal rights amendment and remains of fears advocate for all issues regarding gender equality or is steinem great to see you thank you so much for joining me it's been a few years since we talked on the radio and i'm so pleased to have you here on the television program of this. i'm pleased to be here where you can have an actual conversation that's great yes i agree how did you first become politicized what got you interested in the women's vote but or actually essentially creating the modern
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women's movie. well politicized really happened in my childhood because every time my parents heard the word roosevelt they cried because they got us out of the depression so i mean i always had an idea of what was going on politically was important in our every day life but really i was i spent a long time accepting my own position in society and just assuming that i had to try harder or do better or it was my fault so you know i owe my life really. understanding that i'm not crazy in the system it's crazy to women who stood up and said wait a minute it doesn't make sense that we're not getting equal pay or. went to an abortion hearing early on to cover it and for the first time this was before just before roe v wade for the first time i heard women standing up and saying in public
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what had happened to them the risk of their lives the risk of their health for something that one in three american women needs during their lifetime and i think that was great. for me because and i think often the great it's about reproduction because the whole system really is about controlling the means of reproduction which is women's bodies. i want to go back to that that's actually what's continue down that path for a moment. massaging the male domination patriarchy hierarchy we have seen this. song played out or whatever metaphor you want to use since gilgamesh seven thousand years basically of what we call western civilization has been largely. known first of all we've been around for a hundred thousand years as human beings and maybe more and that's where i was
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going. yeah so at the most it's like. five or six or seven percent of human history on our continent here in north america it's like five hundred years. you know patriarchy is in human history of relatively new system which is about controlling reproduction reinforced by racism because if you want to maintain a racist structure in the long term you have to control who women have children with and so on so but i think it's really important to understand that i think of it as an experiment that failed well and that and that's where i want to go with that is the iroquois for example four of the five iroquois communities. the women voted the men did not and. this should. listen to you i'm so grateful for it to you first because you know only interviewers ever understood or talked about anyway that. these systems that five or six hundred cultures that
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are groups that were here before european showed up were often matrilineal legality arion women controlled agriculture they certainly controlled their own reproductive system and when they decided to have children or not with all kinds of herbal i mean they totally understood that. and you know it was the arrival of peons who had been become for a series of reasons the pioneers of patriarchy you might say that began to punish and well obliterate ninety percent of those people and also obliterate their social systems right so we've had this this patriarchal experiment shall we say that's that's what we see played out in what we call western civilization and those people who had ten thousand years in north america to get through trial and error figure out what works had already rejected that and if you
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look you know at our prison populations. wars are created by many crimes are committed by. you know on the list goes you know corruption how do we back out of that mistake how do we how do we recover from the damage that that has done to us as a culture and as a people. you know in every way possible i do think that men are also fighting their way out of this it's not about sex it's about consciousness rights and they are beginning as you say you do you know understand that men too are are restricted in dehumanised by the system and denied the full spectrum of human values and i intimacy with their own kids half the time and made to go off and kill themselves i mean i figured out once if you took out of the u.s. statistics the deaths that you could attribute to masculinity men would live for five years longer i mean that's a pretty good offer but how so we come out of it any way we can but i think the
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most fundamental way is to restore to the individual woman the right to control her own body and decide when and whether to have children where ever that has happened in the long term we have seen population go down to slightly over replacement level i mean it's key to the environment it's you know it's there's no problem that you can really solve without going after this basis and if the empowerment of women particularly for those who suggest that the population explosion that we've seen from you know a billion people in one thousand nine hundred to you know seven now. in the score that's a problem of the empowerment of women the as you point out correctly when it women are empowered population stabilizes and even corrects itself in many cases if that that being the case how do we how do we spread that around the world in. the face
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of cultures and religions and traditions are not just anathema to that but you know the burka culture the grass severely anathema. well you know it's interesting is that you know the word culture sometimes i think politics is what happens to men and cultures what happens to women but it's still politics so i think mainly what we do is listen to women who are motivated by their health and wanting to survive you know to have this kind of control it's important never to impose but always to listen and to make the means of reproductive freedom that is the ability to have or not to have children vailable and you know it's works wherever it has been tried you know. just back to
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gloria steinem for a moment five decades ago you went undercover as a playboy bunny. some some really remarkable reporting what role did that play in your political development and what role do you think that played in america where . you know. i did it as an assignment and then once i was there i got mad. at the working conditions. just as an example they had managed to convince women are trying to convince women that they had to have an internal gynecological exam to serve food in new york state. and you know at least my article put put an end to that it was it was not it was a mistake as a as a writer because i was just beginning to get serious assignments and once i did that. which was viewed as not serious you know it was difficult but but i'm i'm glad that i i'm glad that i did it because those are i mean we're working women
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like like everybody. else but it's a long way from that two to understanding here is you know i think now we're still thinking about a women's movement about civil rights about a gay and lesbian about an environmental move without understanding that they're all connected and there is for instance now a study of one hundred current countries in a book called sex and world peace. by valerie hudson and other scholars that shows by looking reliably in this beautiful way by looking at those countries that the biggest indicator of whether a country is violent inside itself or is likely to militarily attack another via another country is not poverty or natural resources or religion or even to agree of democracy is violence against females because that's what normalize is all other
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violence so in a deep deep sense we're not going to have democracy until we have democratic families we're not going to understand that you can have partnerships instead of domination or so we stopped normalizing domination with gender roles i mean it's you know it's it's a huge huge subject that should be part of our foreign policy should be understood as the underlying theme. of so much and yet it still compartmentalize there's been some just absolutely brilliant writing recently by some young women writers about the gender roles in video games this is the the young men basically coming up and these tropes the these memes these roles of women that are playing out in that i'm curious your thoughts
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on that are we going backwards. well i you know when you. have a front line if you have a backlash because it's a kind of tribute to the bride and so. there are you know in this specially in pornography and the availability of pornography. on the web. many games such as you describe. the extreme degree of violence you know violence against females has become so huge. that females are no longer half the human race for the first time. they sex ratio has it's now one hundred women to one hundred one point three men i believe that that's a first. it's a result of this incredible bias which gives you son preference. and daughter deficit. and then also. has
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sex trafficking and normalizes violence as if it were sex violence it's not sex sex is sex i mean it's two completely different things and you know it's it's in the games as you say it's in our daily lives. but the hopeful thing to me is that it's there many women who are fighting it and many men too it's not only women who understand that these gender roles are killing us it is men too there seems to be a general awakening more of tonight's conversations with great minds gloria steinem after the break.
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a lie had that had that would that hurt me care nobody's. business much. much. more news today in harlem since once again flared up. these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. china
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corporations are all today. it will go back to conversations with great minds i'm speaking with gloria steinem feminist activist and co-founder of both ms magazine and the women's media center and welcome back. i had a guest on a week or so ago and. i'm sorry i don't remember the person it was but it should made the point that women in general in our society in american society feel less safe in most a mentions of their life in fact the number she quoted was twenty seven percent there was some recent study on this perhaps you are familiar with it. felt that much less safe than men in similar circumstances whether it was walking down the
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street in the workplace in a relationship. your thoughts on that and what is being increasingly defined as the modern rape culture of america. well you know we've made a lot of progress so before i say the discouraging statistics are let's say that at least now we are naming domestic violence which used to be just called life you know that we are. much less likely to blame the woman who was raped as if she had invited and so on but the truth is that there's a reason for that fear that you point out because for instance if you add up all of the women who have been murdered by their husbands or boyfriends since nine eleven and then add up all the americans killed in nine eleven and afghanistan and in iraq more women have been killed by their husbands and boyfriends then all of that collective number so you know it's really very very extreme and it's
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a function of. i think men some men by no means you know not even most members some men get hooked on the. the idea of dominance they feel as if they're not really people not really masculine unless they dominate and so they need a fix of dominance and that's why you see men who will attack small children there and rape ninety year old well you know it's it's not about sex it is about dominance and it is out there and you know women do feel. justifiably feel left less safe we don't feel the public. sphere the streets belong to us is there a. theory with which you would agree or or perhaps.
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think is worthy of more in-depth analysis about why that is i mean for example there's been the suggestion that men are actually the weaker sex men live less. shorter lives men have lower pain threshold men are not capable of reproducing you know men are more emotionally fragile actually according to a lot of studies as well as physically fragile and so to compensate they've created this you know giant that is that is like the pop psych you know i mean it's like it's like saying it's harmonise or something about you know they were saying in the senate i mean that's that's kind of the devil made me do it i mean the truth is that we are all human you know what unites see you and me and everybody as human beings is so much more than anything that divides us. and the unique individual difference is usually more than the group difference so it's really getting born
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into a culture that tells you you know it starts with a little boy is you know between five and eight saying you can't cry you you know the greatest insult for a little boy of that ages to be to be told they're like a girl. the whole idea of having to be better having to dominate having to be in control and you know i think. probably most men resist that and have enough empathy to understand our shared humanity but some get addicted to it like a drug and it's very. it's out there it's in the media it's on the web it's the idea that men are supposed to dominate women most of all and also each other. is really really out there and what what we're striving for and what you point out we once had in human history
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our cultures in which people see themselves as a linked not ranked and that is possible and it exists in some places so and that's really what social justice movements are about about restoring. something that once existed in but in a new way that is such an elegant way of putting it recently over at fox news and i've got the clips but i'm. assuming you're familiar with this rather than playing them all just very erik erikson went off on this rant about basically a woman's place is in the kitchen sort of thing and then meghan kelly got him on her show and words to the effect of you know who died and made you god or you know i guess what makes you dominant miss it was the phrase she used but then she went out of her way to point out that she was not a feminist after having made this extraordinary film in the state what is it with the word feminist that has people like meghan kelly who's an intelligent woman i've
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debated her i've spoken with her been on her program. so afraid of it. maybe she's afraid she'll lose her job on fox oh i don't know. but if the truth i mean ok there has been a campaign to demonize all kinds of words liberal feminist you know and rush limbaugh calls me a feminazi and so some of it is quite conscious some of it is that people don't know what it means and if they go to the dictionary and discover that a feminist is somebody who believes in the full social economic put male or female they will say oh yes i'm a feminist and actually in the exit polls from the last presidential election this question was asked as it has been asked historically for a long time and more than fifty percent of all women self identified without even without a dictionary definition as feminists incidentally more younger women than older women identified and a third of man identified as feminist so it may be happening on fox but they're
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missing what's happening in the world let's richer what do you see is the biggest issue facing the women's movement right. well i do think. safety you know i mean it is i do find it. really shocking end up setting that we're no longer half the human race because of. violence and sun press preference and domestic violence here and honor killings elsewhere and sex trafficking and so you know so to be safe we have we have a right to be safe it's also true that the huge majority of illiterate people in the world are our females and though education is not the answer to everything and this time and place literacy is hard to do with out. and reproductive freedom i mean because unless you can control here body from this
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skin in when you really can't control your life from. skan out so whether or not a woman can make that decision to have or not have children is the biggest determinant of whether she is poor and not whether she's healthy or not whether she's educated or not whether she's active outside the home or not and how long she lives. ms magazine is turning forty this fall correct me if i'm wrong and i'm curious your thoughts on feminist media today the state of feminist media the need for feminist media the direction that it's going now it's different now than it was forty years ago and how you would expect it to be different forty years from now. well it's different now because of the web of course i mean ms magazine is still out there is a magazine and it's on the web and there are wonderful feminist websites and voices but the established media which require advertising especially the women's
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magazines are still in the place where in order to get ads for clothing food make up whatever you have to praise those products that's why women's magazines look the way they look so they you know in other magazines somebody my pull their ads if you said something critical in women's magazines you don't get the ad in the first place and less editorial you praise. so you know i think there are thousands of pages on the web and. real pages that would be profoundly different if advertising was just separate from editorial you helped found the women's media's would you like to speak about that work yes well the women's media center which is the the youngest of the organizations only about five years old the that i've been working on is
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a very exciting because you know the media is the current campfire you know you and i are. talking about human history and we've always been sitting around a campfire telling stories and so on and the media of the current campfire but not everybody is able to tell their story so some people are invisible some people feel wrong. and to be able to get a better representation in the media changes our idea of what's possible of what our dreams are. you know it's very very exciting and we also train. women who are authorities in all kinds of things but who don't necessarily get up in the morning and look at the mare and say i see a public intellectual you know who we say look you know you'd be great on the media a lot of help you and we train them we also monitor the media and get people to apologize when they do bad things but we. publish material on the web site
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that's never published anyplace else we especially been looking at the sexual violence in conflict zones and. you know bringing together that information so we can begin to see its true dimensions we played a role in exposing sexual assault and sexual abuse within the military which was always true incidentally for men i mean and in now a huge proportion of the complaints that are coming forward are from men who have been sexually abused in the military like prison where in the absence of women men sexually abuse each other it also happens in the military but the shame and the homophobia it was too profound for them to come forward now that women have been coming forward they've been coming forward to it's one of the great examples if one
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group wins we all win. because now the truth is coming out but you know there's an example of how we don't look at the women's movement as part of everything we don't understand that the presence of sexual predators in our military who actually in some cases join because they know it's easy pickings there is one of the reasons that other countries don't want to have bases us bases we haven't talked about that yet you know we we need to understand that all these things are linked it's all it's all interrelated it's all the same stuff gloria steinem it's been wonderful talking with you thank you so much for dropping by i'm sure and. thank you so much . to see this and other conversations with great minds go to our website conversations with great minds dot com.
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