You said Ben , Ben Carson? Yes. Oh I worked with him at Hopkins , he's fabulous. Fantastic, when did you do that? I was at Hopkins from gosh 1999 to 2003. My favorite story with Dr. Carson was that he really respected who he was as a role model for the children. And one day I had a young child who was in the preoperative area and he said , oh is Dr. Carson here , I'd like to meet him. He wasn't Dr. Carson's patient. But my girlfriend found Dr. Carson later, and let him know this child really wants to meet you and let him know where he was gonna be in the hospital and he went out of his way to go and meet that young man , and just love on him. He's just who he was as a role model, he embraced that, and empowered me.

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