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the last two times we royally screwed up like this, there were real consequences. there were real financial wasteful consequences for us as a country. will that happen again? good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes.
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this after 16 days of republicans digging in over a wildly destructive and misguided attempt to defund obama care. two hours before the senate passed the bipartisan deal by overwhelming margin, 81-18, the omb director says the bill has passed the united states senate and the house of representatives, the president plans to sign it tonight. and employees should expect to return to work in the morning. joining me is congresswoman karen bass, democrat from california. and congresswoman, how did you feel about casting a vote that you could have cast 16 days ago? >> you know, i think this is really sad. i mean, i'm happy that it's done and people will be back to work tomorrow. i walk through the halls of congress, and i felt bad with all of the workers that were here even though they're not being paid. so they'll be paid again. but this is really a sad chapter. we have to really take a step back and reflect on this now. why did this happen, what was
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this for. we could have taken this vote three weeks ago. this was completely unnecessary. >> do you think that your colleagues on the republican side of the aisle, do you think they've learned anything? did you get a sense when you were in the chamber tonight as everyone was voting and milling around, what was the atmosphere in there? >> well, the atmosphere was really, i think, a general sense of relief. i mean, amongst the democrats, people were very, very united. but we didn't take any pleasure in trying to pour salt in a wound. there was no demonstration of joy or anything like that. but you know, i think amongst a lot of my republican colleagues, and i've heard this over the last three weeks, many of them were embarrassed. many of them were conflicted. then some of them are absolute zealots. so if your purpose of coming to washington was to reduce government, was to shut government down, if that was your attitude when you came here, then i suppose what happened over the last three weeks is consistent with your mission.
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and that's sad. >> you have 144 republicans that voted against this resolution. no democrats voted against it. >> right. >> the majority of the republican calk, after all of this, after 16 days of a shutdown, after getting the fight that they wanted, after being beaten in the most humiliating and abject fashion imaginable, after all of that, you still had a majority of the republican caucus voting again this. >> right. exactly. and so, you know, i am hoping that as we all go home and go back to our districts that my republican colleagues take a moment of reflection and really do some soul searching and say because you know, in another three months, we're going to be right back at this, right? are we going to take the country and then, frankly, the world through this trauma again just to demonstrate something that makes no sense at all? you remember when this started, this was about they didn't want to see health care for 30 million people who don't have health care.
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that was their objective. and then they quickly abandoned that, and they shifted. now, onef the things that was accomplished tonight is that we appointed conferyes to the budget committee. you know, chris, democrats have been trying to do that since the beginning of this year. now all of a sudden we have a conference committee. i'm glad that's happening. that's something that could have been done months ago. >> what do you want to see out of these next few months as the normal or quasi-normal budgetary process commences? a budgetary process that's been dysfunctional and broken since 2011? what do you want to see come out of it? >> right. well, what i hope is that my republican colleagues will be honest and recognize that even the number that we voted for today -- you know, that wasn't an easy vote for democrats to take. even though we stood united. that essentially kept -- keeps the sequester level funding in place for another couple of months. and we know that our communities have already been hurting because of that. our economy could be roaring right now if we weren't burdened by the sequester. and so i'm hoping that my colleagues will recognize that
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more resources are needed to get the economy back going, to have jobs, to provide the services that the -- that the government needs to provide. and i'm also hoping that some of my colleagues actually learned a lesson. the government actually does something, you know? i think some of my colleagues had to learn by the government shutting down, and then they were shocked when memorials were cordoned off. maybe they realized that government actually does provide worthy services that everybody needs. >> that's a great point, congresswoman. every day of the shutdown, it seemed like republican lawmakers had a new discovery of something -- >> right. >> the government was doing that it would like it to keep doing. maybe that lesson carries forward. things like nutrition, for women and infants, may be a good thing to fund. congresswoman karen bass, thank you very much. joining me now, senator bernie sanders, independent from vermont. senator sanders, now that this nonsense has been dispatched
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with, what does washington need to do? >> well, i think as the congressman just suggested, harry reid and the president and democrats want a major -- won a major political victory. but as she indicated, and quite correctly, the budget that we passed until january 15th is a disastrous budget. it is going to hurt the children. it's going to hurt the hungry. it's going to hurt the elderly. it is not a good budget. so chris, i would hope that out of this whole exercise, this really nightmarish exercise that the people of this country understand what right-wing extremism is about. which, by the way, goes a lot further than just trying to repeal obama care and the affordable care act. it really is going to be -- it's an effort to repeal virtually every major piece of legislation passed in the last 80 years to protect the middle class and working families and the sick. now, as a member of the budget
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committee, i look forward to the negotiations which will take place. and my view is that at a time when income and wealth, inequality is growing in leaps and bounds, when the middle class is disappearing, when real unemployment is close to 14% while at the same time the wealthy and large corporations are doing phenomenally well, what we need is a budget which creates millions of jobs. a budget which addresses the crisis of low wage work, a budget which rebuilds our crumbling infrastructure, and a budget, by the way, which says when one out of four corporations in america does not pay a nickel in federal income taxes, that that has got to end. so we need -- sorry. >> let me ask you this question. the way things are set up now is that the continuing resolution is going to expire right before year two of sequestration kicks in. you mentioned it before and how destructive and ruin us on it
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will be. the number is too low, and i think we agree on. that one interesting part of the second-year sequestration, the defense cuts start hitting much harder. the defense portion of the budget starts taking a much bigger chunk of the cuts in year two. sdf that give democrats leverage in -- does that give democrats leverage in these negotiations as it was intended to when originally written into the budget control act? >> i think you're exactly right. i think it does give us leverage. i happen to believe that in a time when the united states is spending almost as much as the rest of the world combined we can make significant cuts. obviously my republican colleagues don't agree. we need significant new revenues, that the wealthy and large corporations are going to have to help us with deficit reduction. and that we cannot simply balance the budget on a collapsing middle class or people living in poverty. >> innocent this just going to break down -- isn't this just
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going to break down again on taxes? we've gone through ten different budget iterations of budget negotiating committees. the only time they didn't break through was the fiscal cliff deal that happened after the president's re-election. there is, it seems, an impasse over taxes here. >> i think you're right. the republicans have been very adamant that despite the fact that the rich are getting richer, they feel it is part of their holy grail not to ask billionaires or large corporations to pay more in taxes. i think one of the reasons that the democrat won this struggle right now, the political struggle, is not only the strength of majority leader reid and the president beginning to really stand up forcefully, but because the american people were involved in this issue. and the american people were saying you don't sabotage the united states government and shut it down in order to get
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your way. i think if we can rally the american people so that they are saying, no, we're not going to balance the budget on people who are already hurting, we are going to ask upper income people and corporations to stop paying their fair share of taxes. did i think we can do that? i do if we do our job well. >> senator bernie sanders, thank you for your time. >> thank you, chris. joining me former congressman barney frank, democrat from massachusetts. congressman, were you wishing you were in the house gallery this evening? >> oh, not in the gallery. i was wishing i was on the floor. i was struck by one side of the republican' total unhappiness was on an issue like this, they didn't use the debate time. >> so true. >> both sides gave it up. ordinarily people would be beating their breasts. it is interesting the way the republicans with all that talk of openness managed this. 61% or 62% of republicans voted against the bill. there were four republican speakers and three were for the bill. they wouldn't let their own people speak again it.
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no, i would very much like to have been in -- in this debate because i think barney and karen are both -- made good points. this is a -- i don't want to gloat. i want to make the point. this was not an accident. this is the logical extension of the ideology that has taken over the whole republican party. and the american people repudiated it. the american people said no, we don't want to shut the government down. we believe the government has an important role in our lives. we don't this kind of hostage-taking. they were not in favor of undoing the health care bill in this manner. and i think we need to press that point. and i don't have great hopes for it negotiation. what i have great hopes for is the 2014 election. >> yeah. >> there's a very stark difference between the parties in terms of responsibility, in terms of willingness to support a civil society. let's take that to the people. >> here's what was so striking to me about the republican caucus on this in the house.
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all of the reporting today from basically every outlet said essentially this -- that boehner has strengthened his hand with the caucus. that he's in better shape now than he was. that the conservatives who essentially dictated the strategy that boehner followed, they're -- even though they lost in -- they completely lost, they got nothing, they somehow are gratified by the experience of it. and i have to say, i find that more frustrating and infuriating than -- than the converse which is that they were angry and felt unfulfilled. it looks like this was essentially a temper tantrum for two weeks. they need get it out of their system. >> well, i -- i -- that may be optimistic. one of the causes i've been pushing is to legalize the smoking of marijuana by adults instead of locking them up. apparently that may be more widespread among the republican house members than i thought because that's the only explanation i can think for this
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particular extreme mellowness that they are -- >> remarkable how -- how mellow they are in defeat. >> they didn't just lose strategically and tactically. they lost substantively. first of all, they played this ridiculous game of shutting down the government, and then yelling at civil servants. one of the things i find most despicable about these people is the bullying of other public officials. going after staff members who work so hard for inadequate pay. members of the congressional -- yelling at these employees. these people vote to shut the government down, and then they yell at other people because the government is shut down. and it's extraordinary. the other, of course, great hypocrisy is -- i've said this many times -- john boehner voted for much more of the debt than i did. >> yeah. >> i didn't vote for the iraq war. he did. that's a trillion or so dollars. didn't vote for the bush tax cuts. these people incurred this debt. and then they act as if paying it is a favor they're being asked to do for those of white house try to have less debt.
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>> paul ryan this evening was one of the 144 no votes on the republican side. >> that's interesting. i think that's -- i guess that's a declaration by ryan that he's going to try and win the nomination. but i don't see how anybody who was one of that 143 people voting for the destruction of our economy -- remember, if they had prevailed and lost, we would have defaulted on the debt, there would have been terrible consequences. not the destruction but serious damage. i don't see how he can be running -- i think paul ryan is -- a lot of the republicans, i'm going to repeat myself. i think -- people talk about the things i've learned in school. there's one thing that the republicans apparently didn't learn in school. and particularly that important course, driver's education. if you're going to set out driving on a very difficult unknown road, don't put your car in cruise control. >> former congressman barney frank. thank you very much for your time. coming up --
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some big election news tonight. with a vacant u.s. senate seat up for grabs in new jersey, the associated press has called the race for democrat cory booker, the mayor of newark and rising star in the democratic party. he defeated conservative republican steve lonegan for the seat held by the late and dearly missed frank lautenberg. booker, known for frequent communication with constituent on twitter, offered his expression of gratitude to his 1.4 million followers. thank you very much, new jersey, i'm proud to be your senator-elect.
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i can only speak for myself, but i've been really proud of speaker boehner the last 2.5 weeks. he should be ashamed of anything he's done. it's been republicans here who apparently always want to fight but want to fight the next fight that have given speaker boehner the inability to be successful in this fight. >> that was republican congressman raul labrador of idaho praising house speaker john boehner today. back in january when boehner was
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up for a second term as speaker, congressman labrador didn't bother to vote. of the three republicans that didn't vote as well as nine republicans who voted against boehner. congressman labrador has been a frequent critic of speaker boehner. the question today coming out of the debacle that boehner undertook at the behest of the far right fringe of his party is -- what is next for this republican caucus? joining me is joy reed, more than contributor, managing editor, and contributor and bureau chief of the "huffington post". are you surprised, joy, by all the reports today that -- all these house republicans who made boehner do this, right? it failed miserably. it was a humiliation and all of them being like, that -- that is my boy. john boehner? are you kidding me? i love that dude. what is the deal? >> the most ironic outcome of the whole debacle is the increase in popularity of boehner among the base. this was sort of his bath in acid. he had to prove that he would do anything, climb any hill, destroy the country at the
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behest of the tea party. >> he had to go out and beat someone up. >> he was jumped in. how he's in -- now he's in the gang. >> is that your understanding, ryan? >> i think the context is -- as i reported earlier, everyone around boehner, and that's beginning to include most of his conference, believes that he's going to retire at the end of 2014. so you have to -- you have to think, okay, what are we going to gain if we do, you know, stage some type of coup and overthrow him. you know, chances are pretty good that you might actually fail in your coup attempt. and then you look like a clown. or you overthrow the speaker by now in the middle of an election year by the time they get this together, and they lose the speakership itself. they don't get to be led by, you know, whoever they install in the place -- >> if those are the structural realities that underpin
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boehner's strength, right, then why the heck did he have to put the whole country through 16 days of shutdown? that's the thing that drives me crazy, right? if he's untouchable for the reasons you indicate, then why do -- why did he have to take us all through this madness, this destructive madness? >> well, i don't think he actually did. >> right. that is the -- that is the key point. say that again because this whole story about, oh, john boehner, he had to do this to woo his calk, he didn't. this was john boehner made a choice with really bad consequences for the people of america. let's highlight that. >> yes. none of this -- none of this had to happen. we all knew from the very beginning, and we -- and we said it, we said the way this is going to end -- >> yep. >> we don't know when, but we know how. john boehner will put a bill on the floor that is to the satisfaction of reid and obama. it will pass with democrats and a few republicans because how the system works. the house doesn't just make laws on its own. >> yeah. >> this wasn't a mystery to anybody.
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the question was when he -- you know, he decided that he was going to run it up until the last minute. a lot of people suffered, you know, scientific research of hampered, you know, centers for disease control was hurt. you know -- infants, women, children, you know, went without food for this. 800,000 people out of work. and it was all avoidable. >> well, i mean, the kind way to look at, you know, the sort of kindest cut for boehner, the kindest way to look for him, is he was trying to prove a point. >> right. >> to these members that don't understand government. that don't take the time to really understand how congress works, how the country works, how the debt limit works. they don't understand anything, they don't know anything to quote the book game change about sarah palin. they don't know anything. maybe this -- he may think this is the only way to show that the strategy won't work. that won't work because they think it could have worked if he stuck it out. if that's the way you look at it, it is also a failure. >> the other thing i think is true here, and it's stunning for me to say this, but i had representative jack kingston on. and he said we need to show our
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beliefs. this is expressive, like college freshman year dorm room politics where you made it to express yourself. you need to let people know how truly you believe something. >> yeah. >> so we all pay the cost of this -- instead of getting a drug circle or big puppets, whatever they need to do to let everyone know how they feel, i think that's part of it. they needed to show people how serious and committed they are. >> right. there's a catharsis needed. i think to understand the modern republican party, you have to understand -- we talked about this before -- is the anger and rage and disappointment that the base feels with the republican party. >> yeah. >> that their own party is not standing up for what they believe is true conservatism. i think there's a need among the base to have elected republicans really show them, really demonstrate that they really are -- they really are at least respectful of their conservative beliefs and demonstrate it with real acts.
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>> ryan, what does that mean for this conference going forward? >> well, the question is whether or not this counts as that demonstration. you know, they say, you know, if you show a gun in act one, you know, you have to use it in act two. so hopefully for the country, this counts as them using -- using their gun. you know, they shut the government down. you know, hopefully that doesn't mean they have to go into default. which -- which they'll be much less likely to do next time because critical filing deadlines for primaries will have passed by the next time we get to the debt ceiling. i think you'll find people much less interested in demagoguing the debt ceiling when they're cruising to re-election. >> i think the checkoff quote is if you show a gun in act one, you have to shoot a park ranger in the foot by the end of the play. and what about the benghazi cover-up? thank you. joy will stay with us. coming up, the government shutdown and near debt ceiling disaster in retrospect. watch and feel good reflecting on how republicans lost in the end. stay with us.
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breaking news. there's lots of actual work congress can to doo -- can do to make things better in the country than worse. we'll talk what that strange alternate universe will look like coming up. first, we watched almost total capitulation by republicans. the hostages have been freed, no ransom paid. a resounding victory for the president. a dramatic reversal of fortunes from republicans from two short years ago. to understand the magnitude of what happened today, you have to go back to the summer of 2011. >> good morning, crisis averted. president obama and
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congressional leaders agree on a plan to raise the nation's debt ceiling, but not everyone on capitol hill is happy. >> the president of the united states saying that the leaders of both chambers and both houses have agreed to a deal to avoid the first-ever default in the history of the united states. >> a modest victory for the forces of compromise and centerism. >> reporter: >> two years ago faced with a similar debt ceiling hostage situation, the president cut a deal with republicans. >> you know, i got 98% of what i wanted. i'm pretty happy. >> in exchange for raising the nation's debt limit, democrats agreed to sharp cuts in government spending. it was a huge victory for republican extortion. >> i want to thank the american people. it's been your voices that have compelled washington to act in the final days. >> let me stop you right there. you're not pinning this turd on us. [ laughter ] >> this week, "the new york
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times" reports that in the summer of 2011 after that historic compromise, the president pulled together his inner circle of senior advisers and told them, "i'm not going through this again. it's bad for democracy. it's bad for the presidency." for the better part of two years, the president has repeated in public what he told his staff in private -- >> i've been very clear, we're not going to negotiate around the debt ceiling. we're not going to negotiate under the threat of further harm to our economy and middle-class families. you don't negotiate by putting a gun to the other person's head. >> and today what appears to be a resounding republican defeat seems like it was inevitable. but it wasn't. yes, today's victory for democrats was due in part to mac gruber-like planning on the part of republicans. >> we'll walk in and see what happens. >> you ready? >> wait. wait. so we're just going to wing it? >> there's a big difference between winging it and seeing what happens.
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now let's see what happens. >> today's victory was also a product of democrats holding the line. >> you shall not pass! >> every time republicans throughout a new piecemeal plan to fund the government, the democratic response was singular. >> you get nothing! you lose. good day, sir! >> when house republicans voted to fund the nih, democrats didn't bite. >> i believe that senator reid must take up this legislation today for the sake of those children and their health. >> the republican stunt to reopen the national parks was rebuffed. >> for political purposes, president obama and harry reid wanted the government to shut down -- >> the president and democrats never took the bait. >> let us reject this because this is -- you know, they took hostages by shutting down the government. and now they're releasing one hostage at a time. >> what right did they have to pick and choose what part of
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government's going to be funded? >> we don't get to select which programs we implement or not. >> as democrats refused to cave, republicans were banking on winning the media war. >> i think -- i think -- i know we don't want to be here, but we're going to win this, i think. >> in the end, the polling told a different story. the latest nbc news poll found the republican party has their lowest favorable numbers in the history of the poll with the party in disarray, republicans rushed to cast blame. >> this president is determined to destroy the republican party. >> today, democrats defended the democratic principle. one party in one house of congress does not get to threaten destruction in order to dictate terms of policy they lost in a national election. one can only hope that a chase in republican party has -- a chastened republican party has learned their lesson, as well. >> we fought the good fight. we did everything we could to get them to the table and negotiate. they just kept saying no. no, no, no. you make a great team.
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this was the cover of the drudge report this afternoon. house speaker john boehner wiping away tears with a caption that read, "mercy! reid/mcconnell reach deal." an image seems to warn of immigrant families sprinting across the border on the computer screen with a line say, "obama vows immigration push." that is based off an interview president obama gave yesterday which he said that once the final chapter of the shutdown crisis of over, he would pivot next to immigration reform. telling univision in los angeles, "the day after i'm going to be pushing to say call a vote on immigration reform. and if i have to join with other advocates to ton speak out on that and -- to continue to speak out on that and keep pushing, that's what i'm going to do. now is the time to do it." they've sucked the oxygen out of washington, not just during the
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shutdown, but more or less the last couple of months. now the real work begins. and not just on comprehensive immigration reform which has had a pretty strong bipartisan vote in the senate. but on the budget. and knowing the fact that both chambers will have to wobble together their various budget proposals and hammer out an agreed upon long-term plan before the december 13th deadline for a budget conference committee. will the budget issues be easier to solve one the chambers return to regular order, or can we expect another budget battle well into the holidays? still with me is joy reid, joining me is congresswoman barbara lee, democrat from california. and jim mcdermott, congressman from washington. congresswoman,i'll ask you this question -- we've seen the so-called hastert real that's about as real as unicorns violated on every monumental piece of legislation, every accomplishment that's happened has passed without a majority of republicans voting for it. that's the fiscal cliff deal, that's sandy aid. that is now this deal. why can't speaker boehner bring the senate immigration bill to
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the floor tomorrow? >> well, certainly democrat are going to work very hard -- democrats are going to work very hard as the president indicated he will work to try to get this comprehensive immigration bill to the floor. but we know that there are many republican tea party members who are here who came here really quite frankly to dismantle the government, and who came they're destroy the government. i don't expect many votes from them. but there are plenty of moderate republicans who i think really understand the value of and the necessity and the requirement that we pass comprehensive immigration reform right away. and believe you me, all of us are going to work to make sure that happens. >> congressman mcdermott, here's a whip question you may or may not be able to answer. i mean, if this was brought to mind -- if john boehner had a conversion experience tonight after this whole debackle that
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he engineered and said you know what, screw it, let's just see what passes in thisfricking body and brings up the bill, does it have 218 votes to pass? >> it's pretty hard to deal with your hypothetical because john boehner doesn't have the nerve to bring it up. he's already wondering if he's still the speaker of the house. when he goes into that conference next week, it's going to be a real question whether he's still there. if he brought the bill up, he would have a large number of the democrats that would vote for it. i don't know what the republican split is. today, the republican split was 84 votes for the bill, and 144 against it. they are deeply split on the other side and very negatively split. so i don't know that we could pass an immigration bill even with -- unless we put up every single one of our votes. >> the only time there has been anything passed, it's been with some kind of deadline or crisis impending. the question is, is there any hope of some regular order
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producing anything useful out of the house without some kind of impending deadline? congresswoman lee? >> yeah, chris, these are manufactured crises actually. they're manufactured by the radical tea party republicans. hopefully the public really has sent a message to them that they want to see a functioning government. they want to see people getting back to work. they want to see jobs created in our country. they want to see us get back to what we call regular order. >> congresswoman, just said the magic word, "jobs." which has been essentially absent, particularly during this shutdown period. joy, i want you to talk to me about what the vision for a budget is, and if there's any relief for the people out of work who are essentially completely forgotten by much of washington, particularly the republicans in congress, after this break.
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tonight the unnecessary shutdown america has been enduring for 16 days comes it an end. thank you, speaker boehner, for finally allowing a majority of house members to reopen government and avoid a default that would have clearly wreaked havoc on our economic credibility and the stability of our country. it is equally clear that the shutdown has already shaken some pillars of our economic security and growth. it has jeopardized our credit rating, slowed our gdp growth by .6%. it has eroded consumer and investor confidence in our economy while taking $24 billion out of our economy. my colleagues, do you think that your recklessness was worth $24 billion to our economy? this recklessness is a luxury
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the american people cannot afford. >> nancy pelosi earlier tonight on the house floor just before that vote that passed the house to reopen the government. if you're watching this and is a furloughed worker, the omb sent out a message on your blackberry, which you weren't allowed to check during the shin, it be at work tomorrow. i'm back with congressman reid, lee, and jim mcdermott. joy, do you think there's any chance of any kind of regular order? the idea is the president said we've got to get out of this habit of governing for crisis. we had this report said that set the series of crises combined to cost us millions of jobs, hundreds of billions lost in economic activity. all we've done tonight is once again passed a temporary continuing resolution. >> right. i mean -- i guess i would answer the question by posing another. what has changed about the incentives to conservative republicans in the house? nothing.
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nothing has changed at all. they still have what they believe are their core principles that they feel, okay, we lost this fight. but only because we didn't fight hard enough. what they're hearing from the media elites on the far right is fight even harder. i don't see what's changed -- >> the "washington journal" said it's time to wrap this up. >> they don't read the papers. >> they do, though. how about this -- their donors read the paper, right? >> right. >> congresswoman lee, and congressman mcdermott, do you think anything has changed? does the political defeat for the republican change anything about the way that this budget conference goes, about the way they -- they attack the next deadline? >> we will see. there's nothing that indicates to me they learned much of a lesson from this. the fact is that everything the president's proposed for five years they have opposed if it had to do with jobs. and there's nothing that says it's going to be any different. we just moved the debate about six or eight weeks, ten weeks down the road. and we're going to be right back
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in the same thing after the first of the year. >> that's depressing. >> one thing, though, jim, that has changed. that is the public. public opinion and the people in our country really are beginning to see who these very radical right wing extreme republican party members are. and i think the public is going to demand that we come back to some semblance of order. and who -- i don't think the public wants to see this take place ever again. >> here's -- here's the issue with that. the public, there was a very high level of public attention to the shutdown. it was an extraordinary event. i think there's a tremendous amount of widespread public disgust and frustration, and the polling shows it was largely directed at the culprits, the republican party and house republicans in particular. in the absence of something extraordinary, the normal business of republican obstruction, what confidence can there be that that will capture the public imagination? >> there's none.
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the fact is that since we've had this debate on the continuing resolution, nobody is talking about the implementation of the affordable care act. >> right. >> now the right wing is already filing lawsuits against it all across the country. i have a pile of lawsuits an inch and a half thick on my desk of places where they're trying to dismantle it. they have not given up the fight that they had. and nothing has changed. it's just what's on tv right now, they respond to. it will drop off the tv, and we'll see what happens. i -- >> congressman, joy brings up a good point. one of the grand ironies the last two weeks. the ostensible reason they were fighting to defund obama care, it overshadowed the rollout of president obama care which has not been smooth at all, in the least. now that that attention goes back to it, how do you think that plays out political? >> well, i think it's given the affordable care act a second chance to make a first impression.
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>> people, i think, really understand that the reason for the shutdown and the reason that we almost defaulted on our debt was because the republican extremistss, 2 party members, wanted to deny health care to millions of americans. they need health care, and once these are taking care of, any big program, of course when they get started there will have difficulties. once these difficulties are overcome, people say, wait just a minute.
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what in the world was this all about? i do believe the ones this sets in and people start receiving the type of health care they deserve, they will begin to look at what has just happened and say this was just downright wrong. it was morally wrong, economically wrong, and it will not allow this to happen anymore. >> we are going to have on the west coast, california, oregon and washington will have thousands of people. the rest of the people say, why can't we get what they have in california and washington because they will figure out that they have been denied or not told the truth in their states. there is going to be an awful lot of turmoil in the congress over this whole issue. >> and kentucky. >> yes, kentucky. >> new york state has had a fairly successful one.
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some had more success. part of the issue is that the federal government ends up having to handle 36 states, if i'm not mistaken, including washington d.c. >> to understand this is a long plan that the supreme court has upheld the constitutionality. >> the lot of the land that i would respectfully say that it does not work for people, that will not be much solace. it really does matter tremendously to the political fortunes of this president and of the democratic party as well as this self good that biscuits figured out and work smoothly. >> but i am confident that this administration is going to make that happen. those of us who want to see millions of americans with health insurance will make sure that it happens. >> on the ways and means committee, the responsible. we have not had a hearing to fix anything about the affordable care at. >> that is a fantastic point. thank you all.
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we've been locked in a fight over here trying to bring government down to size, trying to do our best to stop obama care. we fought the good fight, we just didn't win. >> the government is set to reopen and default averted 16 days into this crisis. with none of his demands in that deal, it is now tonight more obvious that john maynard could have done this and got the exact same thing 16 days ago, which means the shutdown was for nothing.
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republicans have nothing to show for it republicans did nothing for the country and did nothing to roll back obama care. they did manage to obscure the problems with this rollout. here is the destruction and havoc republicans reached after the shutdown caused $160 million a day in lost economic output. that is two billion five hundred sixty million dollars over 16 days. when all factors are considered, $24 billion was lost to the u.s. economy according to standard reporters. .6% was taken off our fourth quarter growth. the party that is upset with the deficit and a wise and judicious use of our dear money wasted millions, possibly billions of taxpayer dollars for no reason. that is money that is gone. we will never get that back. national parks closed, their employees furloughed. 800,000 workers nationwide without a paycheck when the shutdown began.
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cancer treatments put on hold to the national institutes of health generally not accepting new patience, about 200 per week. assistance for poor women and children disrupted. 3200 needy families in arizona were cut off until the governor decided to allocate funds temporarily. headstart was shut down until a donor offered $10 million to keep it running through the month. centers for disease control killed eight of ten routine safety inspections suspended by the food and drug administration. nuclear regulatory administration was shut down. environmental protection was halted. industrial chemicals and compliance with pollution standards, although recalls and safety defects put on hold by the national highway traffic safety administration. hundreds of air traffic controllers work without pay. some were concerned with
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passenger safety. we came to close to default, treasury bills were affected. u.s. offering higher interest rates on short-term debt. it's getting more expensive for the u.s. to borrow money, which also only adds to the debt problem republicans say they care so much about. this man-made, john boehner catastrophe obeyed 11 million undocumented workers into the system, meeting the challenge of climbing gyms, turning a slow recovery that has not been working for 90% of americans into one that does come a recovery made worse by this a stunt. taking one of their partial votes, republicans should have just created a bonfire on the capitol lawn and some symbol of all the time, energy and emotional lives, people affected. just piled up and like it on


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