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i've never had one. and then tom said, daddy, can i have an ice cream cone? shut up and drink your beer. >> that's something shaq would say. thank you, natalie, have a great weekend, everybody. "morning joe" starts right now.. it is day the end of the government shutdown, but you know day ten -- let me add that to my frequent shutdown punch card here. okay. get that right there. and -- oh, hey, i win a free cdc eboli monkey. >> welcome to "morning joe." we have mark halperin. how are you. you're smiling. i like that. good to have friends on board.
msnbc contributor mike barnacle. in washington, eugene robinson. we've got barnacle, willie, joe and me. >> do you believe those numbers? >> talk about a bad day. there's bad days. >> these are some of the worst numbers i've seen in a long time. i can't believe how bad the new york giants are. they are the worst football team i have seen. no, this was supposed to be a good team. they got a clock in their locker room and it's like a countdown to playoffs. this is like countdown to the first draft pick. willie geist how bad are the new york giants? >> if it weren't for the jacksonville jaguars they would be the worst team in the nfl. that's how bad they are. they can't run. eli is throwing is 15 interceptions already this year. they are 0-6. their defense can't stop anybody. other than that they are
fantastic. >> last night more sports. the tigers. served notice last night. we got the most classic finals i think in both the national and american league we've had -- national league it will be los angeles against the cardinals. amazing. two incredible organizations. in the american league the red sox against these guys. >> red sox/tigers tomorrow night fenway park. >> that's going to be fun. >> two great matchups. >> verlander. insane last night. >> almost untouchable. >> he's been on "morning joe" with us. >> i was talking about a different bad day. a bad day for the gop. but we'll just go through the news and see if you see it that way as well. i think you will. >> the poll numbers are what >> they are bad. >> they are in the 20s. they could be in the teens. >> nomar beg margin of error.
>> president obama met with republicans yesterday. both sides seemed open to at least a six week extension of the federal government's borrowing limit. negotiations continued through the night but as we begin day 11 of the shutdown the damage done to the republican brand is reaching historic levels and a new nbc/wall street journal poll finds just 24% of americans have a positive view of republicans. that's an all time low for the poll. meanwhile 21% have a favorable view of the tea party. also an all time low. 53% blame republicans in congress for the shutdown just 31% say it's the president's fault. in fact, more americans are blaming republicans now than at any point during the shutdown of 1995. and finally, 70% believe the leaders of the republican party are putting politics first
instead of displaying strong leadership. >> that's not good. >> the issue of political theater puts senator ted cruz squarely in the spotlight ever since his 20 plus hour fake filibuster to defund obama care, republicans have been questioning whether there's any real strategy behind his showmanship. yesterday we heard from charles krauthammer. he's a progrenostica torch r. >> republicans warning republicans, conservatives warning conservatives even before this ted cruz strategy launched. i always talk with charles krauthammer. >> he raised that exact question. take a look. >> how exactly was he going to achieve abolition of obama care? explain that to me. has he ever explained it? where is he now? his sidekick, senator mike lee
said oh, we're past obama care, we've moved on. i mean, you know, these are the generals who lead people into the battle of little bighorn and then go home and have lunch and leave the troops out there? where are they? where are the generals? what's their strategy to get abolition of obama care? >> mark halperin it gets worse. a new gallup poll americans now have heard of senator ted cruz and that's not necessarily a good thing. his net favorability is done 16 points from four months ago. cruz's defund obama care partner senator mike lee not doing a lot better. >> this is shocking numbers. >> he's seen a 20-point negative swing. >> shocking number out of utah. he's upside down as the republican senator in utah. there's so much to talk about. mark halperin, this is, as you said, this isn't margin of error stuff. this is quite frankly what scott
walker, charles krauthammer, paul ryan and myself have been warning about for well over a month now. written it. we've talked about it. we said this is going to happen. they had no exit strategy. now the gallup poll comes out, record low numbers for the republican party. in all their years of polling. and then you have nbc news "wall street journal" poll coming out, record low numbers. not only that, but i don't know if you remember to a simpler time when americans didn't think a whole lot of obama care. the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll shows that what ted cruz and mike lee and mark rubio have done have actually made obama care more popular. this is one of the most catastrophic political moves and maybe it's short term in some time, mark. >> well, it means, the timing of these polls and the "wall street journal"/nbc news poll is a
respective poll. you don't see republicans challenging the methodology. timing means we'll get more pressure for a deal. there wasn't any progress overnight of any significance. but the outlines of a senate deal are coming together. and the polls are going to cause republicans to not be able to press as tough a bargain but not totally cave. there are things they can still get here and we can have a deal by the end of the week. >> these numbers are unequivocal. >> they've made obama care more popular. the poll shows a boomerang effect. now, half of all americans -- >> good job, guys. >> half of all americans oppose eliminating funding for the president's health care law. the fight for a smaller federal government is also losing steam.
52% say the government should be doing more to solve our country's problems and looking ahead to the 2014 mid-terms 47% say democrats should control congress 39% believe republicans should keep control. >> i've said some things that riled some people about ted cruz but what i see here is something that's so destructive for the country and so destructive for the republican party which quite frankly if you have two strong parties you have a strong conversation. this is -- >> it's destructive for the conservative movement. it's destructive for the republican party. gene robinson, i mean this is as charles krauthammer said, he marched the troops into battle. >> little bighorn. >> it was little bighorn. we've been saying gettysburg. we have that wrong. it was little bighorn. then he went home to eat a ham sandwich while his troops got slaughterered. watching reruns of "guiding
light" while the troops were getting killed. >> yesterday was an extraordinary day because we had basically the republicans going over to surrender on the debt ceiling saying okay you win on that. they long since surrendered on obama care. then the poll came out. and so i think, you know, at this point it's a matter of finding kind of -- capitulation without humiliation, some sort of formula to back down on the shut down and perhaps get some kind of negotiations out of that on budget issues which could be a good thing for the country, actually. and as for senator ted cruz, you know, he wasn't a popular guy among his peers and colleagues and i don't know how he shows his face around on the floor of the senate or even at the
capitol. >> mike lee, he's a guy who was really popular in utah, replaced bob bennett. >> exactly. he seems like a nice guy. >> like mike lee. the guy is upside down in utah. >> if you're mike lee today and you're like a couple of months ago saying i think this ted cruz guy is really smart i'm on board what are you thinking today? >> you're thinking why did i get in the car with ted cruz. >> why? why? >> ted cruz, his poll numbers -- >> he's upside down. >> cruz's numbers are well deserved and well earned. he took 40 or 50 sheep in the house gop, walked them into an l-shaped ambush and did considerable damage to his party and did, i think, major damage to the speakership of john boehner. >> mark halperin, a lot of people will be saying -- not a lot of people but there will be people on the far right saying
oh, these are all a bunch of people that don't want what's in the republican's best interest, except for me. this is just -- this is without debate. this has been a disastrous move and republicans on capitol hill understand this. the "wall street journal," i mean i can go down the long lit any. you just wonder who are the people that are sll ad hearing to this strategy? >> well -- >> why haven't they come out and held a press conference and say we screwed up? >> we screwed up and we made a terrible mistake. we should have focused like paul ryan was focusing on saving entitlements and reforming the tax code and we screwed up. >> well i think they are implicitly doing that by talking about saving entitlements and refoaming the tax code and by not -- i mean you haven't seen cruz been given any big platform any more. he stepped back a little bit. i think there's a chance that they can salvage a fair amount
of this if they get a good negotiation in the senate and that's where the focus is as much as we talk about the house. if they can get a good senate deal, pressure the house to pass it, kit be as gene said it can be good for the country because there's a lot of common ground on tax reform and some common ground on entitlements. >> on this topic gene you have a great piece in the "the washington post," boehner is playing to win. don't feel sorry for john boehner, his party and his country may be losers in this absurd crisis, but he clearly intends to come out a winner. it's tempting to sympathize with the house speaker, putative ringmaster of an unrulely and at times into her rent republican party. boehner has been feeding his difficult charges a steady diet of fantasy. strengthening his position as speaker while bringing the nation to the brink.
win or lose boehner will have damaged his standing only with the republican establishment which you might have noticed is not in charge. he will have improved his standing with the conservatives who had been grumbling about his performance as speaker. >> these polls show a divide inside the republican party. >> how did it get to this point. where was the republican leadership not just john boehner but mitch mcconnell. how did they allow a freshman senator seize control of this argument, seize control of the debate. >> everybody was afraid to speak out. >> and get to you 24% this morning. >> everybody was afraid to speak up. are they still afraid to speak up? the numbers are going straight down. and they will continue to go straight down. are they all afraid to speak up on capitol hill? >> is it so isolated in washington that if you're in the house of representatives or you're a republican in the united states senate you can't see that ted cruz, this was a solo play, this was all about
him, about his ego? no, i mean the members knew that. they ran enough 30 second commercials in all these states that they scared people. you know, i think -- i don't think they are isolated. i think it's -- you know we got on just a little bit, heidi high camp when she was so upset about background checks and balances. they are hearing from the people that are making the most noise and it's distorting their reality. >> so, you know, when ted cruz started his campaign to lead everybody into this boxed canyon, put yourself in john boehner's position. he was already suspect as far as conservatives were concerned because of his caving on the fiscal cliff. he had to placate that
constituency. >> that's the thing. tip o'neill, he didn't worry about placating his constituents. mike barnacle, it was an opium den with most of them before they got elected in '74. there were some crazy leftists in that group. do you think they ran over tip o'neill. do you think anybody ran over nancy pelosi in the beginning? newt gingrich will tell us what we were going to do. that didn't last for very long. but you don't. i mean true leaders stand in front of the group and say guys i'm not going to allow to you kill yourself if you have a good exit strategy then let's talk about it. but listen, we're not going to shut down the government without a plan b. >> there was a much better strategy that they could have let just play out that they completely overlooked because
they were so focused on the impossible. take a look at this. the current state of play that these republicans bearing the brunt of all the blame, the public support for obama care, of course, as we noted is on the rise. it's a lose-lose situation for the gop when instead they could have been focusing americans' attention on this. >> week two of the obama care roll out and the please wait side at health care website remains ridicule. from capitol hill to late night turns v. >> i'm going to try and download every movie ever made and you're going to try to sign up for obama care and we'll see which happens first. >> the website has been a mess, locking up, crashing and kicking off potential customers. of the 260 people who tried to sign up at this miami clinic only a single person got
through. >> one. from 260 attempts. >> in online discussion groups computer experts talk about major coding and software problems that could take weeks or months to fix. it's tough to have a worst launch of a nationwide launch. >> everybody was shocked who has been watching this from the inside at how bad it is and how bad the computer programming and software and code and architecture is. >> while the federal website has struggle told truth is the states offering their own exchanges have had much more success. kentucky gets very high marks. they have already signed up 7,000 people. for months experts say they tried to warn the white house health care.gov wasn't ready to go live. the administration decided to go with it anyway. they designed it to handle 50,000 to 60,000 simultaneous users. instead five times that many, 250,000 have been trying to access health care.gov at any
given time. >> we're making improvements every day. every day will be better. by the time we're done millions of folks will have insurance. >> so far the white house isn't saying how many people have managed to enroll. industry sources say the numbers could be embarrassingly low. >> so that just -- >> that would have been -- >> getting lost in the argument. >> mark halperin that would have been the discussion. that would have been the discussion if the republicans -- >> looks like a lot of people are interested. >> i mean this is -- what the experts say, it's hard to have a worst launch than this. and yet everybody is talking about ted cruz and the republicans because they all talk about it. look at us. look at us. >> it still may be the discussion. they have several months now more to try to fix the problem and again the club will land they will have to figure out a way to get more people enrolled.
>> the phone number will work. >> republicans need to sort of go back to first principles. they've decide what it means to be the opposition party. do they want to get anything done or do they want to continue to see poll numbers like the nbc poll. >> willie, is it that hard to add service? >> it's remarkable. as we said the other day they left themselves open to this. you think about what kind of campaign they ran with the smartest people in media, electronic media, micro targeting and everything else. those people aren't there any more. >> and the tough thing is putting it together. >> they had this coming. and the miami story, gene robinson where of all the people that came in only one person got on there. again, i think there are probably a lot of democrats, a lot of supporters of affordable care act that are going, you weren't ready for this? >> yeah. it's amazing.
and in don't understand it. i don't think anybody knows why it would be so slip shod at this point. they got to fix it. it's in effect. they got to fix it. you know, it's not the case, though, that i think people will be discouraged and go away, people signing up for health insurance need health insurance. the tragedy or what's bad about this is that people need this, and they want to participate, and it's frustrating, i'm sure. >> gene, to the point that willie raised, the republicans missed such a huge opportunity because during the course of the campaign, mark, you know this better than we do, the democratic campaign for president obama, the re-election campaign they could tell you what voters, which brand of gum. that's how sophisticated the level of -- >> and whether they chewed on the left side or right side. >> absolutely. but they can't enroll you in
health care. they cared about politics but don't care about the health care computer stuff. >> i don't understand it. because apparently they got people in from the google. >> yeah. >> the twitter. they got some of the top i.t. people in there. again, we've seen companies that have crashed and, you know, there were some sort of marissa mayer when she was at google it crashed and you got an hour to figure it out or your business goes under. i can't believe they can't draw upon the expertise of these people. get consultants and figure out how to make it work. >> the argument that it's so popular that they didn't expect doesn't hold water because that happens to websites every day. big news day people rush to msnbc.com or sports espn.com people know how to handle this stuff. >> not that many people are on it. >> thanks to ted cruz they have
time to fix it. >> big coincidence here. who would have ever seen this coming. actually the person who is the obama care i.t. coordinator also and maybe this -- the offensive line coordinator for the new york giants. >> i thought you were going say he was our director. that's it. >> okay. coming up on "morning joe", the moderator of "meet the press," david gregory will be with us. also from the center for american progress, christie hefner. we'll ball club to buck mckeon and later douglas brinkley joins the table. first bill karins. >> happy friday morning. >> i'm shaking. he just wants us to say something. >> how's the weather? let's just keep it with the weather. >> nice and simple.
fortunately for areas around philadelphia, harrisburg, pennsylvania, you're the focus of this storm. it hasn't affected new york city. it's pouring this morning. rain is coming from southern jersey to delaware to harrisburg and that's where the rain will remain through much of the day today. we're dry pretty much from d.c. southward and from new york city northward. just focusing right there in the mid-atlantic. so kind of an ugly friday there. of course the airports in those regions will be affected the most including philadelphia and baltimore most significant delays. d.c. airport, dulles and reagan, kansas city watch out thunderstorms this evening could cause you minor delays. how does your weekend forecast looks? the southeast looks perfect as we go through the upcoming weekend. beautiful weather in atlanta the next three days. texas will have storms saturday and sunday and for everyone that's affected by the rain in the mid-atlantic right now including d.c. and baltimore your sunday afternoon i think
we'll get you some sunshine and i think you'll like your forecast. still carry the umbrella in washington, d.c., much of the heavier rain is to your north if you're driving on i-95 use care. you're watching "morning joe" on this friday. lyrics: 'take on me...' ♪ ♪ 'take me home...' ♪ 'i'll be gone...' ♪ 'in a day or...' man: twooooooooooooooooo! is that me, was i singing?
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that? >> well there's that. >> he was robbed. >> okay. >> he could have taken the ring. >> from our parade of papers, dallas morning news, a fertilizer company is phasing fines after an april explosion killed 15 people and injured 300 others. the occupational safety and health administration says the plant faces two dozen safety violations including unsafe storage of dangerous chemical weapons and lack of an emergency response plan. the cause of this fire still unknown. "detroit free press," the former mayor of detroit kwame kilpatrick was sentenced to 28 years in prison. he was convicted on two dozen accounts. at least 18 other detroit officials have been convicted of corruption.
>> and the "daily mail" reports say that i.t. engineering students in a school in china are forced to assemble the new sony playstation 4 or run the risk of failing. they were given unpaid internships at the fox plant but their tasks orma new all and unrelated to their studies. they can lose six credit hours which prevent them from graduating. there's an internal investigation launched. >> "new york times" negative report by edward snowden's former supervisor at the cia may have been the first warning of what was to come. his supervisor suspected him of trying to break into classified computer files. when snowden left his job to start working at the nsa, the report went unnoticed. this summer he leaked thousands of classified documents from the nsa and was granted asylum in russia. >> "the washington post," t-mobile is overtaking its competitors with a new plan that
will eliminate international fees for data and text messaging. at the end of the month the company will offer customers willing to surf the web check emails in any of the 115 countries included in its global plan. in the second quarter of 2013 it signed up 685,000 new customers, more than verizon, at&t, and sprint combined. >> "usa today" the founders of blackberry are considering a possible takeover bid as the brand continues to struggle. in a filing with the s.e.c. founders say they are evaluating all available options from interested investors, blackberry reported a loss of a billion dollars in its most recent quarter and also laid off 40% of its workforce. willie? what's happening with politico. >> let's check in with mike allen. he's the chief white house correspondent. good morning. >> good morning. happy friday. >> there it is. he's got us going. >> let's talk about chris christie, the new jersey
governor getting snubbed by the value voter summit this year even though a handful of other 2016 potential candidates are on the invite list. he was snubbed at cpac back in february. what are they giving for a reason this time. >> willie this, is more good news for governor christie. the reason they are giving is they are saying that they are inviting friends of their movement. so this is one of the most conservative gatherings of the year. it starts here today in washington. just to give you and idea of the tone of it, tomorrow morning before the book signing, before the morning plenary session there's a morning worship time. that gives you a sense of their tone. governor christie in the same week a new poll him running away with his re-election race in new jersey. i've just been up in new york there for a couple of days, saw you on the set. local tv news you constantly see the ads. chris christie showing him recovering from sandy, reaching out to democrats with that great
tag line. chris christie, the governor. one of the great taglines i think in political advertising and so chris christie can take this and say i'm a different kind of republican, let them have their meeting where they talk to themselves, i'm talking to the whole state and he hopes eventually the whole country. >> mike, what more would conservative groups like the value voters like to see from chris christie. he's not for abortion girj. what's missing on his resume? >> willie that's very astute. part of this is personal. you talk to the hardest core republicans, conservatives, they are still unhappy about the way the romney campaign ended. i think that's part it. but i think very quickly they are going to see chris christie is a winner and i don't know how far he would go in a republican primary process but he'll have his day. he'll be very strong at some point and republicans are going to have to confront a question that they have many times over
the years and that is would you rather be right or would you rather win. we keep hearing that in 2016 people say chris christie could win. democrats tell me that. he couldn't get the nomination. this is that internal gop struggle in playbook we call a gop reboot that they just haven't answered now almost a year on after the election. >> see how that shakes out. mike allen with a look at the political playbook. >> happy weekend. >> happy weekend. still ahead on "morning joe," chuck todd breaks down the polling we were talking about plus david axelrod joins us with his take on the standoff in washington. coming up in sports, the giants. looking for their first win of the season in chicago. you don't need a body language expert to read eli manning. this is getting ugly. [ male announcer ] if you have yet to master the quiet sneeze...
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would need. justin verlander pitching a gem. he struck out ten over eight innings. >> smith hits a high fly ball to right field. in comes torii hunter. makes the catch. detroit tigers are going back to the american league championship series. >> wow. look at that coordinated celebration. tigers heading to the alcs for the third year in a row. they go to boston for game one on saturday night. the nlcs starts tonight at 8:30, dodgers and the cardinals. if you have one guy, winner take all game, one pitcher, it might
be justin verlander in the big leagues. >> verlander or kershaw. absolutely. see both of them this fall. >> whose the favorite in these series? >> i would think that perhaps the tigers might be favored. >> no, no. you're sands bagging that. >> we got home field. we got a bunch of kids here that practically play for free. >> yeah. >> for love of the game. >> you don't even call this "moneyball." this is street ball. >> sweeping up the clubhouse after the game. >> these kids, some of them, you know, they are chefs. like at the diners downtown. then they come on over, you know. this is the way baseball used to be played. >> sand lot guys. >> see them in the bar having a beer after the game. >> let's do a little thursday night nfl. the winless, yes the winless giants in chicago take on the bears, eli manning threw an
interception, run for atd. chicago takes the early lead. jay cutler connects with brandon marshal for two touchdowns with the giants. cut the chicago lead to six. two minutes left they had a chance to pull off the come back. let's see how that went. oh, eli over throws, third interception of the game. eli now has 15 turnovers. most in the first six weeks for any quarterback since 1991. they can't run so they have to throw and when they throw it's intercepted. bears win the game 27-21 they move 3-2 giants are 0-6. >> vanderbilt is having a big fall. >> cutler, pedro alvarez third base for the pirates, david price. shall i go on? finally sometimes baseball is boring but certainly not with the umpire. >> there it is!
>> who is this guy? >> just a guy calling balls and strikes. >> might have been yesterday might have been 20 years ago. >> entertaining. >> first five strikeouts at-bat. fantastic. he's got style. >> that reminded us of another eccentric umpire. >> strike three! >> how did we miss lesley nielsen. one of the funniest men to ever live. "naked gun." >> a little bit outside. >> 1962 minor league player of the year he said. second year in the major leagues. >> coming up next look who is
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getting involved in washington politics and josh writes in part ceos are showing up more regularly on capitol hill, the combination of dysfunction in congress and increased federal involvement in the economy since the financial crisis has led executives of companies large and small to personally press their case with members and regulators. the acrimony in congress and the chaos it's produced are big reasons for the uncertainty and why employing lobbyists may longer suffice. what's the good, bad and ugly around that reality >> remember the famous line from michael jordan when he was asked why he didn't get involved in politics, he said be republicans buy sneakers too. the same conventional wisdom applied to ceos. don't get embroiled in washington. that's changed over the last couple of years because washington has become so dysfunctional that essentially
big investors are now saying to ceos get in there, defend our interests, don't let these guys screw up the company go in and try to talk some seasons into them. >> this week we have six days left until the debt ceiling could default and these guys are saying wait a minute the shutdown is one thing but now you're going to crater the economy. >> ceos ranging from lloyd blankfine on down saying you have to get in, you have to stop this kind of train that seems to have so much momentum. it's a real fear. we've seen consumer confidence plunge in the ten days of the shutdown so far. that's a real bad sign as we head into the holiday shopping season which very important. >> charles krauthammer gives a look, mark halperin at the way out. the real question is what will
boen doer. his answer thus far has been peculiar. he simply wants the president to sit down and negotiate. negotiate what? you cannot negotiate if you don't know what you want. the republicans need to present a simple, broadly popular set of demands. the president will deal. in his tuesday press current he already abandoned his original ultimatum of give me long term extension or i don't budge. what then to ask for? paul ryan as usual points way with a suggestion that would turn the partial and imperfect success of the last debt ceiling fight into the larger success of cushing entitlements. it's a win-win. a serious attack on the deficit. good. refiguring sequestration also good. forcing the president off mount olympus, priceless. >> gene, there's going a deal like that it's going to have to involve harry reid saying it's okay. any indication you have that harry reid is interested in
talking about entitlements or talking about tax reform which seems to be where the republicans are headed? >> he certainly gave no indication yesterday or has given no indication so far that he's eager to do that. you know, i think he can probably be brought along into a conversation. i'm not sure how much you can get through. i'm also not sure that after that poll yesterday you're really going to get the president down off mount olympus that soon. so i think, you know, the republican offer probably has to get a little bit better than it was yesterday. and there's incentive for that to happen. and, you know, when push comes to shove i think the president and also perhaps nancy pelosi will begin to prevail on harry reid to at least start a conversation that if it doesn't let the republicans save face at
least let's them say they are saving face and let's us all move forward. we need a government and we don't need to pit the debt ceiling. >> josh i want to ask you about the cover story in bloomberg, secret amazon, explosive new account will change everything you know about jeff bezos. what's so explosive about it? >> what's great about the piece, my colleague brad stone our senior writer out in san francisco has a book coming out next week the everything store about amazon and bezos. this is an excerpt about that book. it's about bezos who went out and found his birth father who had no idea what had become of his son, that his son was one of the most successful businessmen in the world. it's a fascinating read. >> that's incredible. the book comes out after? >> next week. >> this has the sneak peek on it then. >> what do we learn from a business point of view about bezos that we didn't know?
>> for me personally what a ruthless competitor he is behind-the-scenes. he has this friendly amiable public persona that we know and like but what brad gets into in the story is how he goes out and acquires or bullies competitors essentially to keep growing and growing. amazon from as he says what used to be a book seller to an everything seller now and one of the biggest retailers in the world. >> we'll have brad stone on "morning joe" on tuesday. we'll learn more then. you can catch it all on bloomberg "business week." josh green thank you so much. we've been looking for your piece as well in the magazine. "morning joe" will be right back.
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is still with us. the moderator of "meet the press" david gregory with us. and former senior adviser to president obama, director of university chicago institute of politics, msnbc contributor david axelrod. >> go irish. so unbelievable numbers yesterday. the nbc/wall street journal poll follows up on a gallup poll. the republican party hits its lowest point in polling history. >> missed major opportunities along the way. it's stunning. for 90 minutes yesterday president obama met with house republicans at the white house primarily to discuss the gop pr plan to avoid the default. both sides seem open to a six week extension of the federal government's borrowing limit however the meeting ended without a firm plan in place. negotiations continued through the night. but as we begin day 11 of the shutdown, the damage done to the
republican brand is reaching historic levels. new nbc/wall street journal poll and joe i think you've been warning about this finds just 24% of americans have a positive view of republicans. that's an all time low for the poll. meanwhile, 21% have a favorable view of the tea party, also an all time low. 53% blame republicans in congress for the shutdown, just 31% say it's the president's fault. in fact, more americans are blaming republicans now than at any point during the shutdown of 1995 and finally 70% believe the leaders of the republican party are putting politics first instead of displaying strong leadership. the issue of political theater puts senator ted cruz squarely in the spotlight ever since his 20 plus hour fake filibuster to defund obama care republicans have been questioning whether there's any real strategy behind
his showmanship. yesterday charles krauthammer raised that exact question. >> how exactly was he going to achieve abolition of obama care? explain that to me. has he ever explained it? and where is he now? his sidekick, senator mike lee said oh, we're past obama care. we've moved on. i mean, you know, these are the generals who lead people into the battle of little bighorn and then go home and have lunch and leave the troops out there? where are they? where are the generals? what's their strategy to get abolition of obama care? >> new gallup poll shows more americans than ever before have now heard of senator cruz. so he's certainly gotten the attention he wants. but according to the polls it's not necessarily a good thing. his net favor ability is down.
mike lee has seen a 20-point negative swing in favorability from voters in his home state of utah. >> david gregory there's a boomerang effect. obama care more popular. you get the sense that mike lee saw this coming a few weeks back when he said obama care is not worth a shutdown. but these numbers are just -- charles krauthammer said it's little bighorn. >> they were foreseeable. that's the striking part about all of this. there's nothing particularly surng about how this lined up. the president who was castigated by liberals after the 2011 fiscal crisis was able to dig in and followed that strategy. i talked to republicans
yesterday the feeling was that obama would give in if we threatened to shutdown and then shutdown if we threatened the debt ceiling that there was a belief in certain quarters lee, cruz and others obama wouldn't see the fight through. now they realize that he has, and there was never really much movement on, you know, the desire to get rid of obama care. because senator cruz never really moved opinion among his colleagues despite the grassroots efforts, despite all of the fundraising that he was attempting to do. all you have left is the damage to the republican brand and then a little bit more popularity as you say for obama care which is still having so many problems getting going. >> david axelrod, it's willie. first things first. there's no game there tomorrow. >> i know. i'm really pissed about that. >> we do like the drop cloth behind you.
>> can he say that? >> he's in a dorm room. >> david, let me ask you about a question we were talking about in our last hour, which is how it got to this point for republicans? how it got to 24% approval? where were mitch mcconnell and john boehner early in the process before a freshman senator named ted cruz seized control of this debate. sure lie they knew strategically the leadership that this wasn't going to end well, it would be band for the brand. couldn't they have said to ted cruz senator we know what you're doing you are building up your plan, you may believe in this but this is bad for our party. >> this exposed the fault lines in the republican party. there's always been this problem that there are two audiences. generally this is taftous for the republican party. ted cruz is talking to a specific constituency within the republican party that tea party constituency he's raising money from them, rallying them, i call
them the limbaugh republicans. they may be a minority but an active minority and that's his base and he's actually getting a lot of ata boys and affirmation. at what point and is there a point where that constituency will say enough is a enough and is there a way out with that group that can say okay we made our point or where they insist on continuing to tie up the government until they get some sort of concession that isn't forthcoming and that's the dilemma that the leaders have faced. >> so mark halperin, david axelrod just mentioned the leaders. what happens from now on to john boehner's speakership. what shape it is in? >> there's still a lot of this to play out. he'll put something on the floor eventual that will lose some republican votes. i think the question is how much he can come out of this with enough support. he'll lose 20, 30, 40 house republicans but how much does he
come out of it saying with the impression from them he fought the good fight he did what he could but didn't get as much as he would have liked. david gregory let me ask you, the president as you said, some republicans thought he would cave he hasn't. given the nbc/wall street journal poll does the president continue to drive a hard bargain or bring harry reid and other democrats along for a compromise? >> as you say a lot of this to play out. on his side what does we want to walk away with. he wants to say he didn't negotiate on the debt ceiling at all. in fact the unlikely allies of the president on that are these more, senator cruz inspired house republicans, who never wanted to go to brink on the debt ceiling they say they rather do it on the shutdown to fight obama care. that still is unclear. so if we can get that debt ceiling raised then he gets into a bigger negotiation overall on the budget. we've been there before. that's where i think he continues to drive a hard
bargain, or if you look at all the contours of what we're seeing this morning the reality of the pull back is between now and 2016, anything done on the budget will be pretty modest. if it's entitlement reform it will be modest. tax reform same thing. i think that's the glide path until we get to 2016 and if there's any realignment to break this fever. >> more and more republicans, though, and more and more conservative, mark halperin are coming out saying what some of us have been saying for a long time, this is just a failing strategy. and like laura ingraham yesterday, charles krauthammer even more forcefully yesterday many others saying this was a disaster. even if you support ted cruz's energy as laura ingraham says, the tactics are terrible, stlnt a growing sense out there and don't you think that will move the house to come to some sort of a deal that allows them to
move on the tissues that paul ryan talks b-entitlements, tax reform, debt? >> i think that's clearly the strategy including the senate. the big player moves from boehner to harry reid because senator reid doesn't want to take up any of these things and if they are taken up he'll insist on taxes and we get right back to that question of whether republicans have any deal that has any new revenue in it. harry reid will become the focus of this moving off of boehner as we move towards a senate deal and then ping pong over to the house. >> i was going to say to another point that joe is raising which is if part of where people have attacked the tactics is getting off the fiscal fight for a fight over obama care that wasn't going anywhere. the only thing i would say about the damage to the republican brand we see in the polls right now is that the end of the story hasn't been written yet. if we get into a broader discussion and broader debate about the budget whatever the outcome of that is perhaps that's what leaves a more
lasting impression. even senator cruz could end up arguing and put watch different spin on how this whole process played out if it ends up getting to a place that takes a real look at what the government does, how much to government is spending and dealing with entitlements. >> you're right as you and mark have said the story hasn't been written, the end of the story hasn't been written. you never know how things will turn out. i do know when politicians or parties dip down into the 20s it's a cause for serious concern. i'm serious. it's not like we're talking about for the republicans at 38 or 42% in the fight against bill clinton. we're talking about a drop to 24%. and i just fear that that has, for republicans, long term lasting impact. let's bring in -- >> let's had hear from republican representative from california congressman buck mckeon who was in the meeting yesterday the president. >> buck, you were in the meeting. before we ask about that
meeting, you actually had concerns about sequestration and several other things leading up to this point, haven't you >> no question. i think i've been talking about sequestration now for a couple of years, right after we passed it, we held hearings in the armed services committee and we had all of the people that were involved in defense, we had the chiefs, we had secretary, we had former secretaries, everybody said that sequestration was shooting ourselves in the head and we've had the opportunity of seeing that now. you know, people forget we got $487 billion out of defense before sequestration. and, you know, we've done this in our history after world war i, after world war ii, after korea. we always disarm, we cutback the military so we won't be prepared for the next one. seems to be in our dna. we go into the next conflict
unprepared and lose people needlessly. in the past when we've done this it's been after the war. people have forgotten we're still at war. >> tell us about the meeting with the president yesterday. do you have any reason hope to that there may be a coming together of the two sides? >> you know, we've been asking the president to sit down and talk to us for quite a while now. so i think last night was very positive. we had, i thought, a good meeting, a good discussion. i think a lot of air was cleared of things that we're working on and we left the meeting with a decision that the president would talk to his people, we would talk to our people. they would talk to each other, which they did through the night. and i'm hopeful. i'm anxious to hear from our leadership this morning as to the progress that was made during the night. but i think that -- i felt good, better than i felt for a few weeks about where we're heading. >> congressman mark halperin,
can you talk about some of the elements that were talked about through the night? >> we talked about a lot of things. i don't especially want to get into details of the meeting. we kind of decided it would be best moving forward if we focused on going forward. there's no sense dwelling on the past. mistakes have been made. but at least now we're talking and it's time to move forward. it's best for the american people. >> did anything funny or dramatic happen with your meeting with the president? >> give us some color. >> well, i did notice that the little name cards that they had on the, our place were different than normally. when you normally go to one of those places they have your name written in fancy writing. and i noticed that it was just kind of handwritten quickly name and i turned it over and i want had the fancy name of somebody else at a prior meeting.
>> they are saving paper. there's a shutdown. >> the shutdown has had an effect on the white house. >> on the fancy writing. david axelrod, david gregory, sorry. >> so congressman, my question for your i'm interested in specifics as well, but i wonder if you can talk about the dynamic between you and other colleagues. we know how many divisions there are among house republicans. how would you like to see this end up? what is it you would like to achieve? >> well, you know, what we've seen is democracy at work. each of us comes wanting to do the best we can to represent the people that elected us and we come from different parts of the world. we call at any time people's house. because every area, every region is different. there are districts that are a couple of blocks. there are districts that are states. big states.
so, trying to all come together and represent those interests is not an easy thing. you know, joe, we sat something on the armed services committee. and people here want to do what's right. the hard problem is finding within yourself what is right. and we all represent over 700,000 people in the house and when you go home, which i haven't been able to do for a while but when you go home you maybe talk to 100, 200, 300, it's really hard. so when you come back you are representing the ones that get through and talk to you. >> right. >> and it's amazing how we can come up with different feelings, but at the end of the day we're going to get this worked out. hopefully it will make things better for the nation. >> okay, bob, thank you so much. it's good to see you always. greatly appreciate it. and willie. >> i was going to say congressman is the chairman of the armed services committee.
we should point luft night president obama signed into law a bill to pay death benefits to those military families. it took too long and a private charity had to bridge the gap but it did get taken care of. >> david, you had a question. >> david axelrod, you heard the congressman say that, you know, in terms of what's happened in the last two or three weeks at least he had a smile on his face, he feels fairly optimistic. within the administration, where you worked for so long and so hard, is there a tipping point, do you think, where the president, you know, no that's not good enough. that deal is not good enough. that deal is not good enough. is there a tipping point where it rebounds against the president unless he does come up with some accord with the republicans? >> i don't think it's in anybody's interest for this to go on for too long. the notion there will be winners and losers after a while everybody is a loser. but there are principles here and i think that what would be
disastrous for the president is if he were to back off on the principle that he's not going negotiate wait a gun to his head and that, you know, i thought he gave the republicans an out earlier in the week when he said you can then the entire negotiations to a continuing restlour resolution and reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling. i would have taken that and run. i would have taken the continuing resolution at sequester levels and run with that as well. but these guys just didn't want to -- they can't declare victory, but in answer to your question, mike, i think it's not in the president's interest or the country's interest for this to go on. i think he knows that. but it would be worse to give in on the wrong terms and set a precedent so that every few months you're under the same pressures and the economy is under the same pressures. >> all right david axelrod, thank you so much. david gregory, thank your as well.
what do you have planned for sunday's "meet the press"? >> the very latest on this plus perspective on the global outlook with krchristine lagard. and the dodgers. >> looking forward to that. up next chuck todd is here in new york. >> chuck has the poll. >> douglas brinkley is joining us. and christie hefner. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. the day we rescued riley was a truly amazing day. he was a matted mess in a small cage. so that was our first task, was getting him to wellness. without angie's list, i don't know if we could have found all the services we needed for our riley. from contractors and doctors to dog sitters and landscapers,
man, you introduce everybody. jump right in. >> nbc news political director and host of the daily run down, chuck todd. held jobs chuck. >> good morning, mika. >> those are quite some numbers you have for us this morning. along with the center corner christie hefner and history professor at rice university douglas brinkley his new book "cronkite" is out in paper book. >> congratulations about the dodgers. dodgers, cardinals. it's as good as it gets. >> i am still scattered. dodgers and cardinals, jack clark and tom. to this day why tommy la sorta didn't walk jack clark. >> nbc/wall street journal poll showing this boomerang effect indicating how the strategy by some republicans, chuck todd, has backfired. number of americans who think
obama care is a good idea has risen to 38%, up seven points from september. now half of all americans oppose eliminating all funding for the president's health care law? the fight for a smaller federal government is also losing steam. 52% say that government should be doing more to solve our nation's problem and looking ahead to the 2014 mid-term elections, 47% say democrats should control congress. 39% believe republicans should retain control. where do we begin. >> 24% approval rating for republicans. pretty bad. >> i went through and realized, is there a good number -- >> what's the good news for my party. >> i look at the top of the polling, to 2013. that's the only good news in this poll is that it was conducted in 2013. other than that, it is -- joe,
there are numbers here that the republican party are getting on shutdown that your republican congress in 1995 didn't get. john boehner and ted cruz have successfully done what newt gingrich couldn't do, get a majority of the country blame the republicans than get a plurality. looking back everybody thought newt gingrich was ruining the republican party with what he was doing. he couldn't achieve, if you want to put it in those terms. you look at here and there's no part of this poll and the boomerang effect that mika was just mentioning it's amazing ted cruz starts this crusade, health care is now, i would say less unpopular. still a net negative but less unpopular. we're close to one to one split. now a majority say don't defund health care.
>> you can imagine it's impossible taking ted cruz and this terrible strategy out of it. you can imagine how low obama care numbers would go if they had not done this? >> no shutdown. >> they did the launch and then as nbc showed yesterday, that it's just -- the launch is just going terribly online. the republicans have basically saved the administration from a difficult launch. >> do you think part of the problem for the republicans is also that to the extent that there was some and still is some sense of both sides need to do more, the democratic representative of that is the president in the sense that he doesn't negotiate enough and when you go into the mid-terms it's not the president who is running where as it's the republican party that seems to be staged by this behavior not just a few individuals. >> no. that's right. no, it's the republican party taking the brunt of this. there's no doubt on that front. i think you can't discount, you
know, the president can't have a low job approval job rating in his mid-term election. if he does then democrats will take it on the chin and lose. what the republicans have done, the president's numbers have ticked up. what is happening pre-shutdown is you started having democrats starting to fadeaway from the president. we had three polls in a row where the president had less than 80% of democrats approving of the job he was doing and had fallen below that mark and during the bush second term once that happened it happened about august of 2005 among republicans, then that was the beginning, that was the tipping point. the president was sitting on a tipping point. what did the shutdown do. it rallied the democrats back around the president. the republican splart. it's two republican parties. we have non"tea party" republicans and tea party republicans that are thinking the exact opposite thing. >> that has been a thing in the
past that i've denied. i looked at the numbers last night and i said, doug brinkley these are two parties. there's two parties. you look at the 21% or so that support the tea party in america. the 24% that support the republicans. those are two different groups now. >> they are. everybody was looking for a grand bargain between the obama white house and the gops in congress and the grand bargain has to be between boehner and the tea party crowd and i think it's coming. i always thought it's about days. i write history for a living. somebody says five days shutdown it sounds dinky. today it's 11 days. monday will be two weeks. that's when it bill close. basically they want to say we stuck to it obama for two weeks, shut the government, so i think things will pick up next week. i don't feel all of this will be as big in history as some people make it sound. there's been 17 shutdowns.
most people can't tell you what they were about. they tend to seem very huge at the time and they are huge to people losing their jobs at the national park, the checks are not coming a year from now this may not seem as big as it does. >> wonder if in the business community you start to get the momentum for the equivalent of what the dlc was which is to reorient the party. >> don't you have the koch brothers have spoken out saying come on enough is enough guys. you have also, you got other business leaders that usually support republicans that -- >> when that stock market starts losing your going to start getting a deal. they went up when they thought there was a meeting. you got to get through the friday. weekend free. claim it was a two week shutdown. a deal in the maker early next week. >> what does the president do? you talk about this shutdown won't be huge when it comes to history ten years from now. you're probably right.
what does the got, though, because how the president handles this will be judged. >> get obama care to get better. i think it's about getting that health care system for people to start loving it like they do social security or medicaid and medicare and that's a day-by-day process. it's not just him getting out on the bully pulpit and talking about it. fix those glitches. make people start liking that product. it's about obama care. huge accomplishment for the president. all this nibbling and two week shutdown isn't as important as the health care act itself. >> but also the missed opportunity with the roll out of obama care, chuck, which people have been covering there's been some glitches. that was fresh meat for anyone who wanted to criticize through and let it play out differently. >> that's the tactical and
shutdown bought the democrats time, bought the administration time because guess what? they have at least fixed some of these glitches, things are not as bad as they were. there's a design flaw in that there's some internal conflict on that. but i want to take a little bit of a different tack than you did doug in this respect. when you see 78% of the country, nearly 80% of the country, the country is headed in the wrong direction, we're -- the only other time we had a number that low was right after the lehman brothers, the closest thing we had a depression in the modern era. the country looks at washington and thinks we cannot -- washington doesn't know what it's doing. this fighting, politics is broken. washington is broken. so, as much as i know you're right about the president's legacy and go to be about health care he needs to take the lesson from this and sit there and say i need to do my job. >> look at that. >> restore some trust in government again that it works.
it's bigger than health care. it is this restoring trust because if the democratic party is, you know, if the country is losing faith the government will get things done because that will eventually hit democrats. >> 14% of americans think the country is going in thing right direction right now. i don't know if i've ever stein poll lower than that. >> i can't imagine it has been and of course you wind up on a vicious cycle where fewer people vote, fewer people want to run for office and it starts to feed in a way as to chuck's point you do have a bigger issue than the two weeks of the shutdown. in illinois we're actively involved in getting a referendum on the ballot to take the draufg electoral maps out of the hands of the feert an independent commission as they did in california. i think people are going to start looking at structural issues like that as well precisely because there's a sense that really, this is not working. >> and, david, david, ale rod is
supporting that idea. in the short term it looks like it's horrible douglas for the republican party in the house but there are a lot of senators and a lot of people who don't president that actually would like these house districts to more represent the way america looks because i think republicans may control the house in '14, but the senate candidates are suffering and i can't imagine what the presidential candidates are thinking about. >> before we get feeling that the republican party is now just sinking to these all time loss keep in mind that the tea party group now may be sinking to its all time low. you might be able to have somebody like a jeb bush come back and run a very credible campaign. i look for the leaders of the republican party the one us don't see on tv right now, the ones that want no part of this
thing because it's a big blip on the radar screen. i don't think you'll have a shutdown next year and then heading in to 2016 election. the point of history is to remind us our own times are uniquely perilous. we had civil war and vietnam with 58,000 dead and the country divide than this political schism that we channel surf and catch on cable news. chuck made a big point. president obama needs something else. headlines to the paper of scott carpenter died a pioneer of space. we're going to the moon. what's our moonshot and where is barack obama to lead us to doing something as a country big the way kennedy and those mercury astronauts were able to do. we don't have anything like that. >> the problem to chuck's point we haven't had as low
unfavorability under lehman's collapse, it's occupying all the air in the room that should be occupied with tax reform, immigration reform, all of these significant issues that we have not dealt with adequately since the perilous times of almost going into a depression. when you look at whether it's income kom come inequality, the huge issues not being tackled. >> quickly in closing the president's approval rating a couple of days ago an ap poll came out that's obviously looking like an outlier there. >> they changed their methodology. first time they use this one firm. there was a lot of pros like -- >> the ap won't use that methodology again. you have the president up at 47%. >> 47. what it was it was all democrats
rallying back. >> stronger than his numbers actually have been. >> that's right. democrats coming back. he had dipped below 80% among democrats in his approval which brought down his overall number to 45, 44, 45 and he was sitting in the mid-40s. >> republicans dropped to 24%. the president has gone up. >> it goes -- during these major political crises it's the party that wins. >> look at those numbers. president obama at 47%, republicans at 24. >> it's the 50, it's that number on the other side, negative numbers, 53%. our poll is over 50 on negative rating. >> ronald reagan for these republicans should be listening to used to say don't drive your box office below 50% because you can't blame the american people being dumb you're not selling
what you're doing properly and clearly the shutdown has not been sold properly. they stepped all over obama care without damaging it and enhanced obama care. it's been disastrous. >> box office below 50%. >> douglas thank you. your book "cronkite" now out in paper work. christie hefner great to see you. chuck stay with us if you can. up next -- >> a new report by a group of journalists describes the obama white house as one of the least transparent administrations in history. we'll tell you why next. and how would fdr or winston churchill cult through the noise in washington right now? they are just two of the names topping our list of the best political leaders we need right now. that's straight ahead when "morning joe" comes back.
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transparency has been aggressive in stopping and prosecuting leaks and has been overly sensitive to critical reporting. leonard downey host of the veteran journalists many of whom said the administration tied to control information in unprecedented ways, among the assessments abc news correspondent ann compton described obama as the least transparent of the seven presidents in terms of how he does his daily business. david sanger said this is the most closed control freak administration i've ever covered. another "new york times" reporter said government sources have become scared to death of leaked investigations. president said his administration can and must be more transparent. former nsa director for president george w. bush michael hayden said the president has been more transparent on surveillance than his was. chuck todd, what do you make of
it? >> this is all -- we've been saying this for a while. every administration regardless of party becomes, has become over time particularly as sort of media has grown and become more multiplatform, every administration has become tighter and tighter and they all build on the precedent of whatever precedent they liked that the previous administration did on something. and they closed off. this president has done that. they have been transparent on things like visitors logs but the real issue is this spooking of government officials because i can tell you i've had sources say, no, i can't, i'm afraid. i don't want to get -- there is this heightened sense of concern that i've not -- that you didn't see just for you years ago and, again, this is -- to me it's not unique to the obama
administration, it's a and i think mark would attest to this from clinton to bush to obama each one has gotten tighter and tighter. >> this administration is the first administration that had to cope with the other two ts, texting and tweeting. every six seconds somebody is tweeting something about the white house, what happened internally. >> that's right. that's yu get this mindset of shut everything down. it's a lot easier. what's happened is more people are out of the loop. i've noticed. this white house in particular really has a smaller and smaller circle of people that quote know everything. and that is another way a that they attempt -- >> yet he does a lot of interviews. a lot of interviews. >> a lot of interviews with cherry picked interviewers. they are very careful in what they pick and choose. they don't necessarily have a lot of adversersial interviews.
i think they pick and choose their environments. >> chuck todd, thank you very much. we'll see you coming up at 9:00 a.m. on "the daily rundown." up next our friend jordan roth is here to roll out his exciting new project. he's taking the always popular top ten list to social media, giving you a chance to shape conversations on everything from politics to pop culture. the top ten list next on "morning joe". people don't have to think about
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jordan roth. his website allows users to create and debate using the always popular top ten list. before you explain how it works, why did you come up with this? what was behind the idea? >> i think like all of you, i'm passionate about talking culture, all kinds of culture. they the of course but music, movies, books, politic, fashion, food, all of it, big canvas. and i started fixating on top ten lipsts as a universal way o starting culture conversation but ultimately for me a frustrating one because there's no way to engage with these lists. if they are in print no way. online maybe you write a comment. this is a way to engage. >> how does it work? >> you come on the site. there are -- culturallist.com. you make a cultural list you are
a cultural list. any number of top ten liptss you can scroll through or start your own topic. at the top of the site there's a new list button, best or worst. best or worst anything of all time. of the year, in new york. however you frame your debate. other users come and add their lists and aggregate. we get the elected wisdom. >> top ten political leaders we need right now. >> we have mark halpern. take us through your list. >> we love this. what do we need? people who understand compromise. george mitchell, former senator from maine and a democrat. very partisan, but understands you have to act for the good of the country. he did that as senate majority leader. you see the whole list, but
henry clay. i don't think i need to explain that one. great compromise and someone who was respected. a little bit of an abraham lincoln. the biggest thing we need is an advantage for 2014, advantage for 2016. more like lincoln who said what's in the good of the national interest right now. >> he's at the top of the list. >> we did them separately and i had tip o'neal and bob michaels. and bob michael is a republican leader. they actually worked and spoke together. i also have the former senator from illinois who is a senate republican. the chairman of the house ways and means committee under tip o'neal who got things done
before he went to jail. >> we can qualify with at what point do we want them? >> the more people that create the lists. >> we aggregate. our users we invited yesterday to make this list. number one, they agree with you. abe lincoln. you unite sdmoerth south. >> you would think. you have ten lowest moments in politics. the guys did the homework. number one. >> are we at the lowest moment now? fair enough. >> i got civil war on mine. i have lago on mine for fun. i said one thing that is all american and people should learn about the internment of the japanese-american. >> i had civil war 50 and vietnam second. i think it affects culturally
and we are still enduring today. the losses are unendurable still. >> you both have florida recounts. >> the kennedy assassination. i have citizens united supreme court decision. >> absolutely. >> that's part of when this is. experts are making their lists. >> who are the experts? >> you are it. you can come and join and weigh in and we will aggregate collecti collectively. >> top ten pizza topic. >> we have that as a top ten culturally and top ten best "morning joe" moments. >> what do we got? >> there it is. mika's hair. >> i am going to look at that
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it's 8:00 on the east coast and 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. come on now, wake up. it's time. take a live look at new york city. that will help. we have mark halpern, and eugene robinson. for 90 minutes yesterday president obama met with house republicans to discuss the gop plan to avoid the 50 default on the national debt. both sides seem open to at least a six-week extension to the borrowing limit, but it ended without a firm plan in place. the negotiations continue through the night, but as we begin day 11 of the shut down, the damage done to the republican brand is reaching historic levels. a new nbc "wall street journal" poll finds just 24% of americans have a positive view of republicans. that is an all time low for the poll. meanwhile 21% of a favorable view of the tea party also, an
all time low. 53% blame republicans in congress for the shut down. 31% say it's the president's fault. more americans are blaming republicans now than at any point in the shut down of 1995. finally, 70% believe the leaders of the republican party are putting politics first instead of displaying strong leadership. the issue of political theater puts ted cruz in the spotlight. ever since the filibuster to defund obama care, republicans have been questioning whether there is real strategy behind the showmanship. yesterday, he's a prognosticator. >> i have gone through this list and we have been warning republicans. before republicans warning republicans and conservatives warning conservatives and before
the ted cruz thing launched. >> he raised that exact question. take a look. >> how exactly was he going to achieve abolition of obama care. has he ever explained it? we see his sidekick, senator lee, we moved on. i mean, you know, these rather generous elite people with the body oflets big horn and go home and have lunch and leave the troops out there? where are they? where are the generals? what's the strategy? >> it gets worse. a gallup poll shows americans than ever before have heard of senator ted cruz. that's not necessary low a get thing. his favorability is down 16 points from four months ago. cruz's defund partner mike lee
not doing a lot better. he has seen a 20-point negative in favorability. >> she upside down from the senator in utah. there is so much to talk about here. this is a margin of error stop. this is quite frankly what walker and charles kraut hammer and paul ryan and myself have been warping about for well over a month now. we have written it and talked about it and said this is going to happen. they had no exit strategy. the gallup poll comes out with record low numbers in all the years of polling. then you have nbc news "wall street journal" poll coming up, not only that, but i don't know if you remember a simpler time. the nbc news "wall street
journal" poll shows what ted and mike lee and marco rubio have done has made obama care more popular. this is one of the most catastrophic thing in sometime. >> the timing of these polls and the "wall street journal" nbc poll is such a respected poll. the timing of it means that we will get more pressure for a deal. the best i can tell from sources on all sides that made progress overnight, but the out lines of a senate deal are coming together and the polls are going to cause republicans to not be able to get that tough of a bargain. there things they can get here and we could have a deal by the end of the week. >> these numbers are unequivocal. >> they made obama care more popular. the nbc "wall street journal" poll showing a boomerang effect
and showing the strategy backfiring. the number of americans who think obama care is a good idea has risen to 38%, up seven points since september. half of all americans oppose eliminating funding if the president's health care law. a fight for a smaller federal government is losing steam. 52% said the government should be dog more. looking ahead to the 2014 mid-terms, 47% say democrats should control congress and 39% believe republicans should keep it. >> i know i tried a few things, but what i see here is something that is so destructive for the country and the republican party that quite frankly if you have two strong parties and a strong conversation. >> it's destructive for the conservative movement. gene robinson, he marched the
troops into battle. >> little big horn. >> we have been saying gettysburg. we have that all wrong. it was little big horn. he went home and ate a ham sandwich while they got slaughtered, watching reruns of guiding light. what do they do? >> here's what they do. yesterday was an extraordinary day because we had basically the republicans going-over to surrender on the debt ceiling. they long since surrendered on obama care and the poll came out. at this point it's a matter of finding capitulation without humiliation and a formula to back down on the shut down and perhaps negotiations out of that on budget issues which could be
a good thing for the country. and as for senator ted cruz, he was not a popular guy, but his peers and colleagues, i don't know how he shows his face around on the floor. even at the capitol. >> you have a guy who was really popular in utah. >> exactly. he seems like a nice guy. >> mike lee, the guy is upside down in utah. >> if you are mike lee today and a couple of months saying this ted cruz guy is really smart. i'm on board. what are you thinking today? >> why did i get in the car with ted cruz. >> why? why? >> ted cruz is upside down, man. the numbers are well-deserved and well-earned. he took 40 or 50 sheep from the
house gop and walked them into an l-shaped ambush and considerable damage to his party. i think major damage to the speakership of john boehner. >> a lot of people will be saying -- not a lot of people, but people on the far right will say these are all a bunch of people who don't want the republicans. this is just the debate. this is a disastrous move. republicans on capitol hill understand this. the "wall street journal." i can go down the long list. you just wonder, who are the people who are still adhering to this strategy? why haven't they come out and held a press conference and said we screwed up? we screwed up and made a terrible mistake. we should have focused like paul
ryan on saving entitlements and reforming the tax code and we screwed up. >> they are doing that now by -- you haven't seen him being given any big platforms anymore. he stepped back. there is a chance they can salvage a fair amount of this if they get a good negotiation in the senate. that's where the focus is as much as we talk about the house. they can get a good deal and pressure to pass it. it can be good for the country because there is a lot of common ground on tax reform and some on entitlements. >> on the topic, gene, you have a great piece. don't feel sorry for john boehner. his country may be losers through the absurd crisis, but he intends to come out a winner. attempting to sympathize
thinking the unthinkable. leading the hard core tea party process is not an easy task, but it should begin with an honest dose of reality. boehner has been feeding his difficult charges a steady diet of fantasy and bringing the nation to the brink. win or lose, boehner will have damage to stand with you might have noticed he is not in charge anymore. he will have improved his standing with the conservatives who have been grumbling about his performance as speaker. >> the polls show a dividing in the republican party. >> you have to ask how it got to this point. where was the republican leadership. mitch mcconnell and the adults in the republican party. how do they allow a freshman senator to seize control of the argument and the debate and get you to 24% this morning? >> everybody was afraid to speak. are they still afraid to speak
up? the numbers are going straight down. they continue to go straight down. are they all afraid to speak up? >> is it so isolating in washington if you are in the house of representatives, you can't see that ted cruz had a solo play and this was all about him and his ego? >> the members knew that. they ran enough 30-second commercials that they scared people. i don't think they are isolated. i think we get on a little bit. he was so obsessed with the phone calls coming to her office on background checks with 93% of people supported the background checks. you are hearing they are making the most noise and it is distorting their reality.
>> when ted cruz started his campaign to lead everybody into this and put yourself in john boehner's position. he was already there as far as conservatives were concerned. he was hanging on the fiscal cliff and he had to placate that constituency and he has done that successfully. >> that's the thing. tip o'neal didn't have to worry about placating when dumb ideas came up from the crazy watergate democrats who got elected in 1974. mike barnacle was probably in opium dens with most of them before they got elected in 1974. there were some crazy leftists in that group, but did they run over tip o'neal and nancy pelosi and newt gingrich? they would tell us what we were going to do. that didn't last long, but you
don't. true leaders stand in front of a group and say guys, i'm not going to allow you to kill yourself. if you have a good exit strategy, let's talk about it, but we are not going to shut down the government without a plan b. >> there was a better strategy they could have left this play out that they overlooked because they were so focused on the impossible. look at the current state of play bearing the brunt of all the blame. the public support of obama kir is on the rise. it's a lose-lose situation for the gop when they could have been focusing american attention on this. >> week two of the obama care roll out and the please wait sign at health care.gov is a focus. >> if they get on the site, it's confusing. >> i am going to try and
download every movie ever made and you are going to try to sign up for obama care and we will see which happens first. >> the website has been a complete mess, locking up, crashing and kicking off potential customers. of the 260 people who tried to sign up in the first week, only a single person got through. >> one. of 260 attempts. >> in online discussion groups, they talk of major coding and software problems that could take weeks or months to fix. it's tough to have a worst launch. >> everybody is shocked who who has been watching at how bad it is and how bad the programming and software and code and architecture is. >> while the federal website struggled, the state offering their own exchanges had much more success. kentucky gets very high marks. they signed up 7,000 people.
experts said they tried to warn the white house health care.gov was not ready to go live, they decided to go with it anyway. the chief technology officer trying to fix the problem said they designed it to handle 50 to 60,000 as a result users. 250,000 have been trying to access it at any given time. >> we are making improvements and every day will be better. by the time we are done, millions of folks will have insurance. >> they are not saying how many people managed to enroll, but sources tell us the numbers could be embarrassingly low. >> that would have been -- >> getting lost in the argument. >> that would have been the discussion if republican diagnosis not march. >> it looks like a lot of people are interested and they can't get on. >> that's what the experts say. it's hard to have a worst launch than this.
and yet everybody is talking about ted cruz and the republicans because they all talked about it. it's unbelievable. >> it still may be the discussion. they have several months more to fix the problem. again, they will have to figure out a way to get more people enroll and we will get the official numbers. republicans need to go back to decide what it means to be the opposition party. do they want to get anything done or just continue to see poll numbers like this. >> coming up, we will check in with mike allen and detroit's former mayor is slammed with a 28-year prison sentence for widespread corruption. what it means for a city still struggling to recover. also a new report shows the cia had red flags about edward snowden long before he began spilling secrets. why the agency suspicions were
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>> it's time to take a look at the morning paper. the "wall street journal." the nobel committee has the organizations for the prohibition of chemical weapons. the nobel peace prize is the same organization that oversees the destruction of chemical weapons and receives more than a million for winning the prize. >> they can take the ring. from our papers rnlg the fertilizer plant in west texas is facing $118,000 in fines after an explosion kills 15 people and injuries 300 others. the occupational safety and health administration said the
plant faces two dozen safety violations including unsaef storage of determiningous chemicals and a lack of an emergency response plan. the cause of this fire is still unknown. >> detroit free press, kwame kilpatrick was sentenced to 28 years in prison. he was convicted earlier this year on two dozen counts including racketeering and extortion. at least 18 other officials have been convict have had corruption. he resigned from office in 2008 after lying under oath and a proufing an $8.4 million payment to cover up a whistle blower lawsuit. >> the students in a school in china are forced to assemble a new sony playstation 4 or run the risk of failing. they were given unpaid internship at the plant, but this is unrelated to their
studies and if they fail to comply they lose six credit hours that prevents them from graduating. they launched an internal investigation. >> the reports from edward snowden's former supervisor may have been the first warning of what was to come. the supervisor suspected him of trying to break into classified computer files. when snowden left his job to start working at the nsa, the report went unnoticed. this summer he leaked thousands of classified do you means and granted asylum in russia. >> t mobile is overtaking competitors with a plan to eliminate international fees for data and text messaging. at end of the month, they will offer customers the ability to surf the web, check e-mails and text in any of 115 countries. t mobile said in the second quarter of 2013, they signed up
695,000 new customers. more than verizon, at&t and spint combined. >> the founders of blackberry are considering a take over bid as the plan continues to struggle. the founders say they were evaluating all available options from interested investors and blackberry reported a loss of $1 billion and laid off 40% of the workforce. >> what's happening with politico? >> let's check in with mike allen with a lock at the playbook. good morning. >> good morning. we have it going. let's talk about chris christie getting snubbed by the value voters even though other potential candidates were on the list. he was snubbed in february. what are they giving for a reason? >> this is more good news for governor christie. they are inviting friends of their movement.
this is one of the most conservative gatherings in years. to give you an idea of the tone, tomorrow morning before the book signing and the things you usually have at conventions, there was a morning worship. that gives you a sense of their tone. a new poll of him running away with his reelection rates in new jersey. i have been up in new york for a couple of days. local tv news, you see the ads. chris christie, it shows him recovering for sandy and reaching out to democrats with the tag line. chris christie.gov nor. he can take this and say the different kind of republicans. let them talk to themselves. i'm talking to the state and event why you will low the country. >> what more would conservative
groups like to see from chris christie. he is not for abortion or gay marriage. what is missing they want to see before they invite him? >> part of this is personal. he talks about the hardest core republicans and conservatives. they a still unhappy about the way the romney campaign ended. that's part of it. very quickly, they will see that chris christie is a winner. i don't know how far he would go in a republican primary process, but he's going to have his day. he will be very strong at some point. republicans are going to have to confront a question as they have many times. would you rather be right or would you rather win. people say chris christie could win. democrats me that, but he cooperate get the nomination. this is that internal struggle and playbook. the gop reboot they haven't
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>> joining us now, best selling author and pastor, the grandson of reverend billy graham and he's out with a new book, one-way love. >> it's very impressive actually. >> thank you. >> most people get it wrong. you got it right. you got it perfectly. >> i department look at it. in the book, they write about the needs of a church to return to the concept of great. grace is a bit like a roller coaster. it makes us scream in terror and laugh uncontrollably at the same time. there no heroinses on this ride and we are not in the driver's seat and we did not design the twists and turns. grace brings us back to the children we once were and still are. children who love to right roller coasters.
to throw our hands up in the air. grace is terrifyingly fun and like any ride we are standing in line for, it's worth coming back to again and again. in fact god's-way love may be the only ride that never gets old. the only ride we thankfully never outgrow. >> we talked about this an awful lot. we certainly talked about it with the new hope. hope francis talks about grace and not judging and we act shocked when that was at the center of jesus's teachings. how did the church get so far away from that? >> that's a good question. the quote says i think we are scared of it because it reckons control out of our hands. we like to keep life manageable and we like checklists and steps that will guarantee a certain out come and grace is in sense out of control. out of our control.
>> can you explain inexhaustible grace. when you say inexhaustible grace for people who may not have read the new testament, i am reminded of jesus talking to the fold hands that were angry. they were angry and at the end of the day that was as much as the hands working from the beginning. jesus's way of saying exhaustible grace, i don't care when you come to me. >> northbound nobody serves anything. nobody deserves mercy. grace by definition is undeserved favor. nobody deserves it. we especially -- >> but it's given. >> it's given, yeah. that's why the title of the book is one-way love. god's love comes our way despite our merits. no one deserves it.
his mercy is outrageous and his grace is inexhaustible and we are an exhausted people and desperately need it. >> as you were saying before and pope francis brought this up. we are a world in need of his grace and mercy. >> in need of grace and mercy. the pope's recent statements has been shocking to some. joe pointed out they are the roots of all faith. my question is we live in a world where people say god help us or how could god have allowed that. what in god's name are they doing in congress? we put the burden on god. how do we learn to instead of putting the burden on god, accept grace. how do you accept grace? >> i think it takes an act of god to make grace acceptable to
us. we are so law locked in our hearts as i said. we want to manage outcomes and we like to keep life manageable. we are naturally averse to grace. grace wrestles control out of our hands. i say in the book that we resist law because law tells us what to do. no one likes that. we resist grace more because it says there is nothing we can do. >> you know, there have been recent polls that point out that the united states is a religious country. do you think of it as a religious country? >> yeah, obviously depending on how you define religion. everyone believes in something with conviction and they live by those convictions. i think people would be hard pressed to call the united states a christian nation. lots of people have continued to say that. i'm not sure we can say it's a
christian nation. if it's predom naptly christian people. it's a country made up of people of many faiths. i think there is a longing in people of all faith and people of all backgrounds or something beyond. we live in an exhausted world and we are exhausted people. >> if it's hard to accept, how do we do it? what process do we go through? >> when i read the bible i see people begging for god's help and mercy. there is nothing i can do. grace is by definition undeserved favor and there is nothing i can do to get it or earn it. it is by definition one way. the only thing i know how to do is humility and desperation, pray and ask god to give it. it requires us coming to terms
of just how small and weak and frail and incapable we are. we are far more incapable than we think. we like to think we are stronger than we are and bigger than we are and more capable than we are. i think god's work in us cries out and says we need help. god help us. have mercy. >> let's talk about your grandfather. >> yeah. i love talking about him. >> what a remarkable man. he talks about the pope. billy graham. like our pope. southern baptist like my grandma. we can say who is your favorite and that's easy. billy graham. what a remarkable man. what a remarkable figure through the years. i remember talking about grace. going to the soviet union and being vilified because he actually believed that people in the soviet union should hear
about god as much as people in atlan atlanta, georgia. >> he will be 95 on november seventh. my grandmother died in june of 2007. we thought he's not going to last that much longer. when you have been married that long. he's still going strong. his is weak, but his mind is still sharp. doing really well. i will see him in a couple of weeks. >> what has he taught you? >> more than what he has taught me regarding what he has done publicly, just watching him privately. he is genuinely the most humble person i have ever seen. hoe has ever reason in the world to be the proudest person. he thinks he is nothing. i asked him how do you stay humble? he said when you wake up every morning and realize that you are not god. god is god and you are not.
every wife is nudging their husband at home. when you realize he's the creator and i'm a creature. he's big, i'm small. he's perfect and i'm imperfect. it's hard to feel proud. watching his and faithfulness and hume ility and integrity, no moral scandal has been attached to him. just a godly man. a guy that you watch and look to and want to be like. >> and a guy who changed the world. his children and grandchildren are doing it now. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> way love, inhauftible grace for an exhausted world. thank you. >> she didn't even try it.
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happening in washington, that was a decisive answer. boehner is trying to work heard towards a short-term answer for the debt ceiling. we will be luck tow hold into the levels for the weekend. it mitigated on the damage. jpmorgan closely watched not only because of the legal challenges, but the rest of the industry. it took in $9 billion charge. the underlying business profit was higher than expected. >> this is just one of the times when what happens in washington, d.c. is connected directly to wall street. >> kelly can chime in on this. a lot of people were shorting the market and banking on getting more dire of a situation. when they see progress, they have to scramble to cover the positions and that helps get the market back on top of that. they were trying to cover it.
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>> all right. good week. time to talk about what we learned today. i learned if you go to culturalist.com, you can make your own top ten list. start the conversation. it's really cool. >> what did you learn? >> what you put on the list, people look at you. >> who? >> i think republicans are influenced by the "wall street journal" and nbc news poll, but the war is not between democrats and republicans, but they said. >> only four people i need to look up. i don't know about that. >> did you see youngin'? >> one is abe lincoln. >> thanks so much for watching. we have a great weekend ahead. baseball and red sox and the tigers.