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truth and a common sense, often progressive future for this country we love. start watching as soon as you can. to paraphrase a great and dearly missed newsman, if it is 7:00 p.m., it is "hardball." that's "hardball" for now. politics nation with al sharpton starts right now. thanks, chris, and thanks, to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, republicans are masters delusion. this summer the gop planned to storm the country. rally the base, whoop the country into a frenzy to support repealing the health care law. well, so much for that. the party has gotten so deluded that some are suggesting the president, president obama, will defund health care himself. just listen to former senator jim demint at a town hall
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yesterday. >> senator, what's the point of voting to defun obamacare when we know that president obama won't sign it? >> wellering with don't know that, do we? >> we don't know? we don't know if the president will defund his signature achievement? we also don't know if he's having donald trump and rush limbaugh over for potluck dinner tonight. we just don't know that, do we? meanwhile, over at fox news, folks are absolutely giddy over what they're sure is the imminent demise of health care. quarter past the hour. president obama's health care law, running into more trouble by the day. >> a new controversy surrounding obamacare ahead of the massive health care overhaul law. >> i think this is one of the obvious signs that obamacare is doomed to fail. >> doomed to fail.
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huh? here are the facts. the federal government originally estimated that 7 million people would sign up for insurance exchanges all across the country. but a new study shows that actually, 8.5 million people plan to sign up. that's from just 19 states. it is working. and now three more key red states are closer to signing on to a key provision of the law. and as for all those gop town halls, you know the ones where the crowds were supposed to be chanting kill the bill, kill the bill? let's just say they've gone a little off script. >> why would you oppose the aca at every turn, it was passed by the congress, passed by the senate, signed by the president of the united states, upheld by the supreme court of the united states and reaffirmed by the re-election of the president of the united states who won your
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district. why would you oppose something that is helping you now, it will bend the cost curve in the future. why? >> why, congressman, why? >> the law is working. it will help millions of americans. that's why this seems a little farfetched. >> senator demint, what's the point of voting to defund obamacare when we know that president obama won't sign it. >> we don't know that, do we in. >> you might not know but the rest of us do. joining me now, richard wolff and nia-malika henderson. >> great to be with you. >> richard, let me start with you. are republicans living in a fantasy land? do they actually think the president will kill the signature achievement of his presidency? >> no. they don't. and they also understand very well that when this goes into
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full effect, it will be impossible to roll it back. there are just too many popular provisions. now, they may also think genuinely that this is going to crush the entire budget position of the united states. but they know that this kind of thing, these, what they call entitlements, what the rest of us think of as a basic human right. those things are actually popular and it is very hard to pull them back after they come in. that's exactly why they have tried so hard to stop it from going into effect. they also know that this has failed. they don't have another script. there is no other play book for trying to whip people up. what we saw with the recovery act, we saw with the stimulus, they're very happy to take the dollars but pretend like they've opposed it. so this kind of double face game that they have been playing on the stimulus, they'll do it again on health care for sure. >> but nia-malika, former senator jim demint told npr that those republicans that refuse to stand up to the president on
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health care need to be replaced. take a listen. >> i'm not as interested in the political futures of folks who think they might lose a showdown with the president. >> i think he knows that republicans are afraid and if they are, they need to be replaced. >> so are right wingers now looking to repeal and replace republicans? >> well, it certainly could be the scenario. i think one of the things you've seen so far this summer was that there was a real fear of town halls. there weren't as many town halls as there were in 2009, around health care and you had the feeling this time, either republicans were afraid of the sort of back and forth that you showed before with people saying that they wanted obamacare or they were afraid that they have to figure out a position in terms of whether or not they were going to try to defund it. i think the conventional wisdom in the senate where jim demint used to be has been that this is a real political loser.
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that sort of threatening to shut down the government isn't the right way to go. you had folks like newt gingrich say even this talk of defunding isn't smart. he lived through it in 1984. and that republicans would be in a better position if they had solutions themselves to obamacare and the implementation. you see that from some of the republican governors, folks like rick snyder in misch, folks like corbett in pennsylvania trying to figure out whether or not they'll take medicaid money. if they do, whether or not they want to see some tweaks. most of them do. so i think you're having a real situation where this grand plan, and it was really from a very small caucus in the republicans to defund obamacare and tie it to the budget negotiations. it just hasn't worked. >> and something elsewhere you're seeing a little tension in the republican caucus, or inside the republican circles. more and more, richard,
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republicans are coming out against shutting down the government over health care. listen to this. >> shutting down a government is a suicidal political tactic. >> i don't look at that as very courageous. most of us see through it and realize that these people are really just taking themselves out of the debate. i think it is a silly effort. >> i think it is the dumbest idea i've ever heard of. as long as barack obama is president, it will be law. >> let's not kid ourselves. we'll be blamed. this is the one strategy, the one tactic that might be able to guarantee that the democrats pick up seats in the congress in 2014. >> so clearly, there is no unity among those far right wingers to get the whole party to go behind this. let's shut the government down to defund obamacare. >> there is unity but none of them were members of the house republican leadership. this is where you want to see the grownups and the sanity come
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in for effect. we can enjoy the show but the show last time was deeply damaging. standard and pours downgraded american public because politicians elected officials were prepared to deal and seriously consider the idea of default. so we want to see those voices come out before we all say, republicans have seen the light on this one. just remember, just to nia's point, the republican version of health care reform is own kr. obamacare was the republican idea that came out of hillary care, out. clinton efforts. romney care. this is the republican play book. that's why they are struggling here to come up with an alternative. because this is the market based approach to health care reform. the only other option is this crazy talk of shutting down the government or default all over again. >> they have other crazy talk. karl rove, a new ad making the
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bizarre claim that because obamacare protects 30 hour a week workers, it is destroying jobs. take a listen. >> the 40-hour workweek has always been the life blood of the american middle class. the dignity of a full-time job that puts food on the table and pays the bills. but now our jobs and wages are threatened because obamacare redefined a full tame job as just 30 hours per week. >> i may not, that's a little out there. >> well, i think you have seen some movement in terms of jobs and hourly wages, in terms of how many hours employees get because of obamacare. you do have employers cutting hours. so that they don't have to be included under the obamacare laws. but i think the option there is that those folks who might have to cut back on their hours, according to employers, they can get health care.
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and some of these states, like california, for instance, this health care could be five, $10 a month. all of this is being worked out at the state level. i think actually this argument about health care and tying it to the economy is probably a better argument than this idea that somehow the government is forcing people to pay. at the heart of this, as richard said, is this idea about personal responsibility, rate? i think if you look at all of the analysis of it. eventually, this sort of makes sense in terms of the economy and lowering the amount people have to pay should they get sick and it starts to affect the way people approach health care and participate in the system. >> bottom line is, when health care goes into full effect and starts working, then what will the republicans do? >> right. there is no end game if you follow through with this cross roads ad. what republicans should be doing
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is going into this legislation. it is flawed. it has things that are wrong in it. they should go in and fix it. they cannot fix it because they cannot have a normal rational conversation about it because apparently it drives them crazy. >> i think that's the question. whether or not that happens. whether or not we'll see that in the fall. will republican conservatives coming to the table and figuring out how to fix some of these flaws in health care. >> we'll see. or we won't see. richard wolfe and nia-malika henderson. thank you for your time. ahead, an offensive new comment on a man who gutted the voting rights act and tried to kill obamacare. supreme court justice scalia, i'll respond tonight. plus, ted cruz. canadian by birth, streamist by choice. he is renouncing his canadian citizenship and exposing the gop
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one year ago this week, obscure republican congressman, named todd aiken introduced the phrase legitimate rape into the national conversation. >> it seems to me first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that's really rare. if it is a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> the comment, legitimate rape, exposed the right wing's extreme views on women's rights. and ended mr. aiken's career. but somehow republicans just couldn't help themselves. they kept weighing in on this topic. >> i think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that god intended to happen. >> god intended it to happen.
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comments like that crushed republicans in 2012. the autopsy of the loss said republicans shouldn't use language that address think concerns that are on women's minds in order to let them know we are fighting for them. so how has that been working out for them? take a look at what republicans have been saying in the months since. >> we don't want a country where abortion is simply outlawed. we want a country where it isn't even considered. >> how did america get so mediocre? >> i think parents, both parents started working. and the mom is in the workplace. >> equity laws to ensure that women are treated fairly in the workplace. >> i think more important than that, it is making certain that women are recognized by those companies. that is what women want. they don't want the decisions made in washington.
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>> actually, i think women are fine with decisions made in washington. if those decisions protect their rights. one year after the legitimate uranium debacle, republicans are still a party without a clue. joining me now, elise, president of naran, pro-choice america. thanks for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> has the right learned anything since todd aiken crashed and burned last year? >> i think the evidence is clear that they have not. this is such a problem for the party that they sent their house gop members to a training about not talking about rape. and yet what we're saying is the problem is not in what they say. it is in what they believe. and that has had disastrous effects at the state legislature this year. 70% of abortion restrictions passed this year have no
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exception for rape. think about that. you've got a woman in the most vulnerable point in her entire life. she's just experienced the unimaginable. and she has got men telling her what she can and cannot could as she moves forward through this trauma. it is unconscionable and it is not in line with where most of the country is. most of the country overwhelmingly supports exceptions for rape, regardless of where they stand on the abortion issue itself. >> you know, new abortion restrictions enacted this year heard victims of sexual assault. the vast majority, 71% of new abortion restrictions enacted in the first half of 2013, don't include any kind of exception for pregnancy that's result from rape. these restrictions force a woman who has been raped to carry a rapist' baby to term, be denied insurance coverage for an
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abortion, be forced to undergo an invasive ultrasound, and even listen to the fetal heartbeat. how is this any different from todd aiken's dismissive comments last year? >> we're not. we're seeing this is a pervasive disease throughout the party. instead of trying to rout it out and understand what women need in terms of policy that support us, not just these horrible times. what about when we want to become parents. the party is not there for us either. there is no real equal pay. there is no paid sick days to take care of our children. so you know, this is going to be a, it is a problem for them. it has been a problem for them. we're seeing it in the diving poll numbers of senator mccrory in north carolina because of the restrictive bill he just signed on abortion. and i think it will continue to hound them until they understand, this isn't about window dressing. it is actually about
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substantively meeting women where we need to be met in today's america. >> now, you know, let me take out a little journey on my map on what the right wingers are doing on women's health rights. some of the laws attacking women health rights in 2013. virginia, it requires abortion clinics meet strict hospital building codes. alabama requires admitting privileges for doctors. arkansas, 12-week abortion ban. north dakota, six-week abortion ban. strictest on the nation, by the way. kansas has a person hood bill that would criminalize abortion, stem cell research, and even certain forms of contraception. republicans claim there is no war on women but gop lawmakers are trying to roll back abortion rights all over the country, elise. >> absolutely. we're seeing an unprecedented
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assault at the state level. this is where they think they can chip away at the rights. it is important that your viewers understand, we just fought hard and won for the rape exception for service women had a have been experiencing terrible sexual assault in the military. and this is a rate that peace corps volunteers don't even enjoy here. so the rights assaults on women at this state level has terrible effects, agency it resonates up the food chain. and we've got to make sure that our entire elected officials understand that we are women who should be trusted to make our own decisions with our families, our doctors and our gods. that is not to be legislated by some politician who is currying favor with an extreme base. >> thank you so much for your time tonight. >> thank you, reverend. still ahead, justice scalia's offensive comments about inventing minorities. it says a lot about him.
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and ted cruz just hit a speed bump on his road to renouncing his canadian citizenship. it could take up to eight months and we'll hear a whole lot more of the gop birthers exposing the hypocrisy. >> ted that cruz, born in canada. is he eligible to the president of the united states? >> if he was born in canada. >> he was definitely born in canada. >> then perhaps not. >> ted cruz's mother was an american citizen. >> it will be ironed out. i heard somebody born in canada. that's his thing. >> ted cruz. canada. and the right wing's birther hypocrisy. that's coming up. hero: if you had a chance to go anywhere in the world,
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and a 30-tablet free trial. an offensive new attack on minorities rights from the man
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who gutted the voting rights act and tried to strike down obamacare. supreme court justice antonin scalia condemned the court's ruling that favored same sex marriage saying, quote, it is not up to the courts to invent new minorities that get special protections. invent new minorities? unbelievable. gay people didn't suddenly pop into existence when president obama took office. he didn't just wave his magic minority wanld and decide to create a new group for right wingers for attack this kind of talk in an assault on all minorities. it is the same logic that leads scalia to dismiss voting rights as a racial entitlement. >> whenever a society adopts racial entitlements, it is very difficult to get out of them through normal political
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processes. >> racial entitlements. special protections. special treatment. inventing minorities. this is the warped view of a supreme court justice of the united states. and far too many politicians and pundits on the right. joining me now, cynthia tucker and ryan grimm. thank you both for coming on the show tonight. >> thank you. >> good to be here, reverend. >> cynthia, justice scalia sft just one right wing popping off. he is on the supreme court. isn't he supposed to be above this kind of talk? >> i certainly thought so. you know, as much nonsense as we hear from a lot of republican politicians in congress, i find it far more disturbing when it comes from a member of the supreme court. he is trusted with interpreting what is our most sacred civic document. the u.s. constitution.
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it is a document admired the world over because it enshrines protections for all americans regardless of race or creed or color or religion. and supreme court justices have always been political. but it used to be that they tried not to be so overtly political. it used to be that they tried not to let their biases show in public. but scalia lets it all hang out there and i find it very disturbing. >> now, you know, ryan, when did equal rights get to be a special protection? >> when scalia was opposed to those particular rights, you know, that's exactly when. scalia pretends to be this pure jurist who has this originalist theory and he is going to apply his judicial theory to the law as it comes forward. but that's not at all what he does. he is a pure partisan political
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operator. and he will shift his supposed philosophy to fit whatever outcome he wants. the clip you played is perfect. where he said the normal political process won't get rid of the voting rights act. he said it. he said it is too popular so congress will never get rid of it. he said it in open argument. therefore, the supreme court had to act. all the rest of the time, he says, oh, congress has to act if they want to protect gays, if they want to protect african-americans. >> send them back. >> when congress is doing the opposite of what he wants, well, then, scalia will act. >> you know, talking about voting rights, and minority voting rights, cynthia, the head of the republican party, rush limbaugh said it is an surrender voting rights are being threatened. >> the idea here that there is still some effort to deny
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minorities the right to vote. if anything there is an effort to count their votes more than once. if anything there is an effort to get people not even qualified to vote, to vote. the idea that there is an effort to squash minority voting is absurd. it is just the exact opposite. everybody is pandering to them. >> so rush thinks it is pandering to protect voting rights for minorities, cynthia. >> to even allow black and brown people to vote, apparently, seems to offend his sensibilities. it is slatly clear that the republicans have waged an all-out war on the voting rights of black and brown people. even some of their politicians and strategists are now admitting that's what all of these voter i.d. laws are about. that is what shortening voting, the days you can vote is all about will. >> early voting.
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>> one of the republican politicians in pennsylvania admitted to a group that the voter i.d. law that they passed there, he hoped was going to allow mitt romney to win pennsylvania. it didn't work but he was open about what the intention was. if you can shave off a few black voters, a few brown voters, either keep them from being able to register, make elderly people who have never driven a car show a driver's license. make black folk in florida stand in lane for ten hours to vote. maybe they'll give up and go home and republicans can win. that is what these new laws are all about. >> you know, over the past year, new code words have taken over the right wing vocabulary. phrases like, special protections. special treatment.
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the 47%. makers versus takers, free stuff. what do these buzz words tell with you the mindset of the right wing? what's going on here? >> and rush revealed a little of it accidentally in the clip that you just played. he said that there is an effort to get people who aren't qualified to vote. to vote. but rush, tell us, who do you think is qualified to vote? we know what he's talking about and he put forward an argument that habit really been made in main stream since the '50s and '60s. that's pretty aggressive to say some people aren't qualified to vote. >> and who sets the qualifications? what is that supposed to mean? if you're a citizen and above a certain age, you're qualified. what is he talking about? >> that's a good question. in the '60s, they resorted to literacy tests. that would be carried out by a guy who could just determine that you had failed it. whether or not you had passed it or not. so who is the person that is
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deeming you qualified to vote? so what is going on here? conservatives for a long time. they want, they've been defending the status quo. so if you're a party that represents a predocument finally privileged upper class white electorate, then this is the position that will help you. it is certainly trending the other way. cynthia, what kind of strikes me is that they are always preaching about responsibility. and people ought to do the right thing and be civically engaged. yet they want all these impediments on voting. isn't it inconsistent about preaching about minority communities to be responsible, but we're going to make the as difficult as we can for you to vote and be civically engaged in
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your community? >> absolutely. there isn't a lot of consistency in these arguments as he just pointed out about scalia. he said let congress do it. congress did reup the voting rights act. he then voted to gut. the simple fact of the matter, i think, is black and brown americans have shown the republican party how committed we are to voting. that franchise was committed. people died over our right to vote. so they have put barrier and barrier and barrier in place and it los angeles like in 2012, that there might even be a back lash. it is possible that so many black people voted in florida, you know, more black people voted in 2012 than in 2008.
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we improved our voting percentage. it may be that they are putting up so many barriers that they have created a back lash. and black and brown people have said, i don't care how many barriers you put up. we will stand in line as long as it takes. we're going to exercise our right to vote. >> thank you both for your tame to be. >> pleasure. still ahead -- a bit of a hiccup for tea party darling ted kras and his bid to renounce his canadian citizenship. but first, the newest member of the obama family. we'll introduce you to bo's new playmate, sunny. my mantra?
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we're back with more on the continuing saga of ted cruz. canadian by birth, extremist by choice. the senator released his canadian birth certificate this weekend. starting talk over whether he is eligible to run for president. since his mother was american, experts agree, senator cruz was a u.s. senator from birth and eligible to run. but lake any politician, he is really upset about all the attention. >> a report he asked for a copy of my birth certificate so we said sure and gave it to him. i mean, i will admit, i feigned the tissy in the media a little
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bit amusing. >> but he didn't find it so amusing when a texas newspaper revealed that he is still a canadian citizen. senator cruz said, quote, i will renounce any canadian citizenship. nothing against canada but i'm an american by birth and as a u.s. senator, i believe i should be only an american. now senator, this is a big decision. don't rush it. maybe instead of running for president, you should run for canada's parliament. with your manners, i think you'll fit right in. >> devious and deceitful behavior and doesn't pay any attention for any canada! >> of the member of parliament -- [ yelling ] >> and if senator cruz moves to
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canada, he won't have to worry about defunding the government. canada already has universal health care. joining me now, goldie taylor and gloria. thanks for being here. >> goldie, it turns out, it may take senator cruz eight months to officially stop being canadian. is there anying we can do in the next eight months to convince him to move up north? >> you know, i thought that it was quite curious to me. i certainly had never heard of it. but in his case, he was born to an american mother on canadian soil and to a father who was at that time a cuban citizen. so at birth, he had three citizenships. one in america, one in canada, one in cuba. according to the cuban constitution. we were so lucky that he chose
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us. i just think that a lot of this is silly season. i think that he is right. that he does have to renounce both citizenships in canada and of course in cuba, if that becomes a question as well. as someone whoo he think will probably run for president, he should have one allegiance and that'sed to united states. >> well, let me ask you. texas congressman steve stockman wants a congressional investigation into president obama's birth certificate. and eligibility. on senator cruz, he says, quote, he is a good friend of mine and a great guy. i don't question cruz. ted came right out and said, here's the documentation. now when there is a fringe conspiracy, it deserves an investigation. when someone actually wasn't born in this country, it's fine because he is a great guy.
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>> that's pretty slim criteria. if you're his friend, we don't have to dig any deeper. it is interesting. we are actually talking about apples and oranges when we're talkinging about the birther movement with president obama and with ted cruz. with ted cruz, there is a question of whether people who are not born on american soil should be able to run for president. we saw it with 2008 and john mccain. with president obama, it is not a question of whether he should run because of american soil, being born on it or not. the validity of his birth certificate. the otherization of president obama. so while on the surface, they look lake similar issues, we're really talking about how the republican party pushes away president obama, putting him in as another person. >> you're right. and some on the rate are accusing the left, goldie, of being birthers. listen to this. >> murphy, are you a left wing
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birther? if people now question ted kras' birth certificate. he has produced it. is that racial? do you see an issue? they're flirting with birtherism. >> i mean, flirting with birtherism, goldie. >> nothing could be further from the truth. at the end of the day, the kifbd racial animus that informed the birther movement that moved against president obama was something we had never seen before in this country. they called him by his full name. barack hussein obama, almost dericively as if his middle name should mean something wrong with him. well, ted cruz has a full name, ted rafael cruz and no one points to him that he come partially from cuban descent. that's the difference. there was a legal question about his birth. that question has been answered and people ought to move on.
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the fact is, people like stockwood and others still haven't moved on from the question that has been asked and settled about president obama. >> and we are not flirting with birther i. we are talking about hypocrisy. they should not get confused. and we're talking about a man who has made a career pandering to the far right. listen to what he said when he was asked last night about impeaching president obama. >> the only reason not to impeach the president is because it wouldn't get through the senate can cruz really be surprised when he says things like that? >> i'm really not surprised. what we're seeing with senator
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cruz in setting up his path for the presidency is a lot like what he did with his senate path. which is curtailing his comments to that select fringe of the republican party. he knows that group can be riled up by such conservatism. and also, that they vote. so he's going out there and he's setting the groundwork four years in advance. the thing about ted cruz that you have to watch out for, as he very hard worker. he lake the free publicity. he says the extreme things but he gets out there and presses the flesh and will touch those people personally like did he here in texas. he will go to the small towns, to the little rinky dinge organizations and bring them into his camp. >> as he tea party darling. are we to read a from this that the taep is out of control and they're even starting to bait back on one of their own when we hear this birther stuff from them?
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>> you know, i don't know. ted cruz is going to be a very strong candidate in this gop primary. he is going to play very well with the tea party. he will play very well with the far right wing. with the pro-life movement. with those people who are really looking for smaller government. he will play really well with those people had a don't want comprehensive immigration reform. people who want to build a bigger fence. he will play very well with that crowd and at the end of the day, he will push some other people lake governor chris christie to the right. in order to catch up with him. so i think as he credible candidate from that perspective. in order to win this white house, not just this gop presidency but in order to win this white house, he will have to reannounce some of those very extreme vaus the same way he is renouncing canada. >> thank you both for your time. >> thanks. friend or foe? i want to know. of virtually all your important legal matters in just minutes.
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