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tonight, at the white house, president biden said this. n sai. >> president biden's justice department has announced they will conduct a review of law enforcement's actions on the day of the mass murder in uvalde, texas. the police commander on the scene of the shooting at the time, peter arradondo, who delayed any attempt to stop the murderer for 78 minutes has not yet explained that decision.
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three weeks ago he was elected to a second job, as a member of the uvalde city council, he intended to continue to serve as the chief of police for the uvalde school district while serving on the city council. here, arradondo was scheduled to be sworn in tomorrow as a member of the city council at a meeting of the uvalde city council. earlier today, that uvalde city meeting scheduled for tomorrow was canceled. yesterday, the president and first lady brought flowers to the elementary school site, robb elementary in uvalde, and they touched the photos of the murdered children and two teachers who lost lives trying to save the lives of those children. president biden and the first lady joe biden attended sunday mass in uvalde, at the catholic church filled with mourners including some of the family members of the victims, and as the president was leaving, some in the crowd pleaded with the
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president to do something. he responded by saying i will. >> joining us now is msnbc's sam brock in uvalde. sam, that city council meeting for tomorrow has been canceled. that was the next time that people in uvalde had a right to expect to learn more about what happened in that school. what next? >> reporter: that's just it. so basically, lawrence, good evening, good to be with you, since last tuesday, that's the last time we heard from the city and from chief arradondo, silence since then, dps, the state's department of public safety, did speak on friday, to go through some of the sort of back and forth time line that we've seen over the course of the last five or six days and that's where we've finally
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gotten any sort of public update as well. with respect to arradondo, we did get a press release from the mayor of uvalde, and he later sat down with a local affiliate to discuss what he says to the fact that arredondo was dually elected to the city council. and he sees nothing from the election code or anything else that would prohibit from taking the oath of office. to your knowledge, we are currently not aware of any investigation of mr. arredondo but we do know the d.o.j. is conducting an independent review. according to the committee on guns, there is no black or white response to that. we did speak with family members of victims, they told me pretty much across the board, they don't believe that an 18-year-old should have access to an assault style rifle. this isn't a commentary on taking weapons away. they don't think it is
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appropriate. and our morgan chesky sat down with a teacher and he asked her, who do you blame on all of this, and i blame the shooter, i blame the shooter. and there is a divide in terms of the response. and the mayor when he sat down with the local affiliate, cbs, says there is a couple of problem, one, the second amendment is in place and guns are an issue and someone has to pull the trigger, both are problems and that acknowledgment in and of its own right is a little surprising to folks here but the biggest question right now, without any sort of argument is the response from the law enforcement that was on the ground. why did it take 47 minutes for what we learned was 19 law enforcement officials locally, who were situated in the hallways of that school, to actually take action, and why would federal agents who arrived at the scene at 12:15 forced to override according to senior law enforcement guidance they were getting and move into the building and tike out the gunman. all of these -- take out the gunman.
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all of this is essential to any investigation being conducted in uvalde. >> sam brock, thank you very much. appreciate that report. and joining us now is julian castro, an msnbc political analyst. what did you learn in uvalde? >> good to with you, lawrence. well, i mean what i learned is it was a tremendous amount of anger, of this quiet growing anger and impatience, the phrase i heard most often from the residents and the extended family members that i spoke to, was something has to change. i also heard, and sam sort of alluded to this in what he described in the conversations with people involved, people seem to want an all of the above approach to ending these types of situations.
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they recognize that there are problems with our gun laws. i also heard a lot of folks say, why in the world did an 18-year-old have access to this type of weapon, and they agreed that schools should be as secure as possible. they also think that mental health is an issue, in some instances and truth be told, uvalde which is only a city of 20,000 people, heavily mexican american, has been underserved in terms of social services and mental health care services, for generations. so all of those things come into play. when you ask folks, just plainly, look, what do you think should be done if you want change? >> when you consider that peter arredondo has been duly elected to the city council, that he postponed tomorrow's meeting where he was going to be sworn in, there comes a question at what point does a public official resign a position because of lost confidence? whether he thinks he did a good job at the school or not,
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there's certainly a case to be made for him to resign because the public has lost confidence in him, and certainly the voters who expressed their will three weeks before this school shooting might have a different view now about whether he should serve on that city council. >> look, absolutely, this is a city council race that i think he won with 126 votes. if you re-ran that race right now, i bet he would lose by more than 126 votes. the public does not have any confidence in him. either he is going to end up resigning, i believe, or likely under the uvalde charter or under texas law, there will be a recall of now councilman arredondo. he is in a different position now, as you know, lawrence, as a elected official, he is directly accountable to the public in that elected office versus as serving as a member in the school district, key police
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where he reports to the superintendent but not directly accountable to the public. the other folks on the hot seat are those school board members. i have no doubt, especially in a small town like this, that those uvalde consolidated independent school district members are getting calls all the time saying why in the world have you all not gotten rid of this police chief? what is going on? they're probably telling the superintendent, hey, you know, when is some action going to be taken here. so there is a lot, i'm sure there is a lot of pressure for him either to resign, or getting fired from his position and then recalled from his city council position. >> in any event, this is the, as far as i know, the least amount of transparency we have seen in a shooting like this, from officials who were at the scene, who were, while it was actually going on. that's true. we saw last week that the story
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of what happened changed four times in four days. i have never seen that before. and i know the ice officials that we had on said we had never seen that before, most of them, so that absolutely shattered the confidence and the trust of people in the community and people disagree on the solution, whether they think it is guns or security or mental health or whatever, to a person, they do not have confident in the e explanation, the response about what happened and that is going to cause a lot of turmoil in this small community and it makes it especially difficult when these folks have grown up with each other, they have grown up with many of the law enforcement officers, they go to the same church, shop at the same grocery store, they see each other all the time, so the tension, the disappointment, the anger is palpable and i think will be felt by everyone.
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>> julian castro, thank you for joining us in our memorial day coverage. thank you. joining our discussion now, roberto hin hoe is a, chairman of the texas democratic party and former judge and gina hinojosa, who represents the 49th district. father and daughter. thanks for joining us. mr. hinajosa, you have seen so much in your time in texas. have you ever seen a situation in which public officials have been less accountable and less helpful in explaining as quickly as possible what actually happened in that school. >> well, this is the first time i've seen anything like this occur. particularly when you have so many different law enforcement agencies involved in here, the department of public safety, which is the chief law enforcement agency, they are the people who come out, they are
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the ones that are calling all the shots. and then they're blaming the head of the school district police department, which is a small, small department, few people, this is a city of 16,000, you're not going to have a big police department, so it is very strange to me that the largest law enforcement agency, the agency that's in charge of all law enforcement in the state of texas, in a sense, the department of public safety, would defer over to a small city school district, the chief of police, that make these critical decision, it doesn't make any sense. but what it does tell you here, more than anything else, when everybody says that the cause of these loss of life is not the weapon but the shooter, they don't understand that when you have someone like this with an automatic weapon in a school firing at police officers, it really puts a lot of pressure on
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them not to go forward, because they're scared. so no matter what happens, these weapons of war are a cause of death in a lost different ways and in this instance they prevented police officers from going into the school to save these children because they were afraid they were going to get shot. this is a weapon that has no business being in the hands of private citizens. it is a weapon of war. it's designed to kill human beings. >> representative hinajosa, what should the governor of texas be doing? >> well, first, the governor needs to put politics aside, and tend to the needs of texans, and i was really disappointed to hear that in his speech to the nra, last week, he said that change in the law wouldn't make a difference. it wouldn't matter. and at the same time, that was a recorded video, yet he was in
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uvalde, saying to the community there that we would absolutely change the laws to make our school children more safe. it is time to put politics aside and do what's right for the people of texas, to keep our school children safe. we need to take action. we need an emergency special session to be called by our governor. he has sole discretion to call an emergency session so we can pass laws to allow for our schools to be safe, our children to be safe, before the school doors open back up in august. >> mr. hinajosa, the governor said something i found very strange the other day when he suggested that mass shootings like this are a new phenomenon, and in particular, a new phenomenon in texas, when you and i certainly know that the very first such event of the television age occurred in texas
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in 1966, and the texas tower, in austin, at the university of texas, with a former marine getting up into that tower, with a rifle, and shooting down people, i believe he killed about 16 people that day on the campus. our understanding of these kinds of events began in texas, over 50 years ago. >> and it's gotten worse. you've seen in less than two years, we've had a mass school shooting in santa fe high school in galveston county, the sotherland church incident, where church-goers were killed and what happened at the walmart in el paso, where around 27 people were killed by a mass shooter. all of them using ar-15s. we have asked in the united states, 27 school shootings in since the first of the year, one every week since then, this is a
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phenomena that has become out of control in this state and in this country. look, the governor called three successive special sessions to pass a voter suppression law, because he said it was a high priority for the people of the state of texas. a law that everybody knew was not needed because their own secretary of state said that in texas, the election was run in a very responsible way, and why can't he call a special session on this where we have 19 children who were killed, two adults that were killed by a person that was carrying, that got an automatic weapon the day that he turned 18 years old, in the state of texas, you can carry, you can buy an automatic weapon at the age of 18, but you can't buy a gun, you got to wait until 21 to buy a gun. and you don't need a license for any of these things in texas, because with this governor, who
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talks about priorities, said it was a priority in the state of texas to pass a law that says you don't have to have a permit to carry a gun in the state of texas. this is crazy. this is what we are seeing in the state of texas, by this governor, and the republican legislature in the state of texas. and that's why these things happen. that's why children die every single day. >> representative hinajosa, we heard people in uvalde pleading with president biden, do something. that was their plea. as simple and raw as that. you must be getting that same kind of plea in texas, what do you tell people about a republican-controlled government in which you're trying to do something. >> well, we need to hold them accountable. i will say i am hearing from even republicans now that we need to do something, and that we need to do something about the guns. please understand that this is not who we are as texans in terms of our culture and our history.
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it wasn't until 1994 that you could even carry a handgun in public in the state of texas. in the 30 years under republican control we have obliterated our gun laws that as my dad was saying you don't need a background check or receive training to carry a gun in public. this is nonsense. texans are about family, we're about integrity, we can do something about this problem and it's on all of us to demand accountability and demand that something be done now. that we need not, we do not wait, we can no longer wait. we must act now, before schools open back up in august, we have a window right now to do something to keep our kids safe. >> texas senator, party chairman, sorry, we're a bit out of time on this segment, thank you very much for joining our
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in a new "politico" poll, 88% of respondents say they support requiring background checks on all gun purchases. senator chris murphy of connecticut is leading the effort to reach some kind of agreement with republicans on gun safety legislation. >> listen, i've been clear, i'm not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. we're talking about red flag laws. we're talking about strengthening and expand can the system, and universal back ground checks and safe storage. yes, we're also talking about mental health resources and more security dollars for schools. the package that really in the
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end could have a significant downward pressure on gun violence in this country and break the logjam. maybe that is the most important thing we can do, is to show that progress is possible and if the sky doesn't fall for republicans, if they support some of these common sense measures. >> joining us now is congressman allred of texas, a former voting rights and civil rights attorney. thank you very much for joining us tonight. and i want you to take on what joe biden heard in uvalde, when people were pleading with him as he was leaving, do something, just this simple two-word request that they were yelling to their president. how would you answer that? >> we have to. and they're right. they're right. they should be frustrated. they should be upset. the time to stop the next school shooting is right now. because we should act now. and we know what we need to do. and i'm so glad to have senator
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murphy working on, this apparently senator cornyn, i hope he's acting in good faith, also trying to find a way forward. but the stat that you just gave on the 88% of americans agreeing that we need to do something, and then our democracy not being responsive to that means that there is something broken in the system. there's something broken in the incentive structure. if we can't find ten republicans to join us in trying to do that. because when you see numbers like that, you and i both know that, it is unheard of it, is not normal for americans to agree that much and that overwhelmingly on a topic, but they do to try to protect people. no one is talking about violating constitutional rights, we're talking about protecting people and saving lives. >> let's listen to what our neighbor to the north, how canada deals with this same issue, this is canadian prime minister justin trudeau today in canada. let's listen to this. >> two years ago, our government
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banned 1500 models of assault style weapons, including the ruger mini 14 used, and the ar-15. we also expanded the background checks to keep firearms out of the wrong hands. we did it because it was what responsible leadership required us to do. and now, as we see gun violence continue to rise, it is our duty to keep taking action. so today, we are moving forward. we are introducing legislation to implement a national freeze on handgun ownership. what this means is that it will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer, or import handguns anywhere in canada. in other words, we're capping the market for handguns.
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[ applause ] >> and that doesn't mean taking anyone's handguns away but just no more transactions of handguns in canada. and when you see responsiveness like that in government, it really is a stark contrast with the government you're working in. >> yes. obviously we have a different culture and a different constitution but what we're talking about here is a fundamental aspect of government. which is keeping people safe. and really lawrence, when we're boiling it down, we're talking about school shootings, so much of our society is built around keeping our children safe. we make you slow your car down when you are driving past the school, even if they're not walking around outside because we want to ensure that no kid is going to be hit by a car outside the school zone. and we know how to protect our kids in so many ways and i think the right model is how we approach car safety over the years to progressively find ways
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to make cars more safe on the road, seatbelts or speed limits and moving forward with more safe technology in the vehicles themselves. no one is taking away your car. and they are saying you can't drive an f-1 around. you can't go certain speeds and do certain things because it is dangerous and that is a normal function of government. and so this is so much of an example of what is broken, as we said earlier in the democracy. the fact that it has taken this long, that we have to have this conversation again thanks we have lost more precious children, more precious lives in this country every single day. >> thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. coming up, the latest on the russian invasion and war in ukraine. president zelenskyy made his first visit outside of the kyiv region to kharkiv, just 25 miles from the russian border.
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on sunday, kyiv day was celebrated in ukraine's capital marking the anniversary of the city's founding, 1,540 years ago. president volodymyr zelenskyy visited the front lines of the war, on sunday, traveling to the northeastern city of kharkiv, it was president zelenskyy's first official appearance outside of the capital city since the war began, nearly 100 days ago. president zelenskyy visited troops and surveyed the damage caused by vladimir putin's invasion and war. as russian forces continue to bombard eastern ukraine, officials are urging people living in occupied areas to move to ukrainian-controlled territory. the european union has reached an agreement that would ban all imports of russian oil. 27% of europe's crude oil comes from russia.
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this comes shortly after president zelenskyy urged the european union to approve those sanctions. tions. joining us now phillips o'brien, professor of strategic studies at the university of ain't san drews, he is the author -- saint andrew, he is the author of "how the war was won" in world war ii, and also
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analyst and columnist for usa today and the daily beast and the host of the deep state radio podcast. and professor o'brien, let me begin with you, and an assessment as best you can make it, of where the war stands almost 100 days in. >> well, it is certainly a very different war than anyone expected or most people expected when it started. we are watching two things occur right now on the ground. one is this sort of, the russian attempt to slice off a relatively small part of the donbas by concentrating a huge amount of their forces. we've been hearing about the fighting, this is an attempt by the russians to take as much donetsk and the landscape as they can in that area. on the other hand we're hearing reports just in the last day about ukrainian counter offensive to start taking back territory in the west of the country near kherson, and there are more reports coming in of
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ukrainians making advances there. so those seem to be the two most active theaters. one with the russians pressing forward, and the other with the ukrainians capturing. >> david, europe agreeing to ban russian crude oil is something that seemed unimaginable even in the first days of this war. >> it did. europe didn't ban russian crude oil. it banned crude oil by a pipeline and it excluded hungary and the reason i make that -- distinction it is about two-thirds of the crude oil that russia provides to europe and it will make an impact. but it also shows how difficult it is to manage the europeans when it comes to further sanctions. and i think one of the things that we see in president zelenskyy going to kharkiv is not just trying to maintain the morale of his people, but he has
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to change his footing, from being the person who is behind the miracle of repelling russia in the first weeks of this war, to being a leader that can keep together his coalition over long term. as you just heard, it's very likely this war is going to go on for months and months and months. and that means keeping the troops moving but it also means keeping the allies together. >> professor, there's another military item that we're looking at now that again was inconceivable in the first couple of weeks of this war, and that is the restoration of the american embassy in kyiv, and that of course, as with american embassies around the world, normally includes a protective unit of marines at embassies, and in this case, they might want a protective unit of special forces of certain kinds, and there you have the question of introducing actual u.s. troops. in ukraine. in what is a traditional mission
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for them around the world, in every country. but at the beginning of this, the notion of any form of u.s. boots on the ground, even to protect an embassy, was not something that the united states seemed ready to contemplate. >> no, i mean the united states government actually, to begin with, seemed very hesitant and they left quite quickly and stayed away a lot longer than a lot of other governments. i think you're making exactly the right choice now, which is to say, ukraine is by the way being illegally invaded and the russians having declared war, the capital of ukraine is safe, as far as we can tell, there are occasional missile attacks but it's safe, the u.s. embassy should be there, it should be staffed and protected the way that any u.s. embassy around the world should be. so that's absolutely the right choice. glad that they made it. and they could have made it a little bit sooner but they should be doing it now.
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>> david, should we be changing our calculations on the 100th day of this war compared to say the tenth day of this war? about the possibility of provoking russia into, provoking putin into a larger war, since we've seen how relatively feeble putin's forces are in ukraine, and it seems like this, this army, that cannot conquer ukraine, does not seem like much of a threat to expand its war. >> yeah, i think that's true. i think the united states has made it very clear that it's not going to do anything that could lead to, you know, nuclear conflict, or major expansion within europe. but having said that, within that parameter, there's plenty that the united states can do to focus on supporting ukraine, not just to push back often the russian, but to actual -- back on the russians but to actually
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defeat the russians and a goal out there by secretary austin, by secretary blinken and as we set that as the goal, providing more weapons, providing more funding. working with the europeans to provide the our cranians with what they need to -- the ukrainians with what they need to push back on the russians in the donbas to ultimately win is something we can do and i think we can do it with a high degree of confidence. it is not going to trigger a wider war. >> thank you both very much for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. and coming up, there is new reporting about the white supremacist matt mass murderer in buffalo two weeks ago. that is next. weeks ago that is next
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there's new reporting on the white supremacist accused of murdering of ten black people at a local supermarket in buffalo two weeks ago. the buffalo news reports that the gunman may have shared his
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plans with six individuals including a retired federal agent in a racist online chat group. buffalo news reports, these were like-minded people who used this chat group to talk about their shared interests in racial hatred, replacement theory, and hatred of anyone who is jewish, a person of color, or not of european ancestry, said one of the two law enforcement officials with close knowledge of the investigation. what is especially upsetting is that these six people received advanced notice of the buffalo shooting, about 30 minutes before it happened. the fbi has verified that none of these called law enforcement to warn them about the shooting. the fbi database shows no advanced tips from anyone that this shooting was about to happen. this weekend, vice president kamala harris visited a memorial and attended the last funeral
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for a victim of the buffalo shooting, luke whitfield, vice president harris said this. >> i really do think we need to look at the fact that this year alone, we've had over 200 mass shootings. over 200. we're barely halfway through the year. and when we're looking at an epidemic of hate where people are being targeted just because of who they are. i think we all have to stand up and say, wait, enough. enough is enough. a crime against any one of us is a harm against all of us. and no one should be left to fight alone. and we got to deal with this. >> and joining the discussion now amber pain and deborah d. douglas, co-ed tors in chief of the emancipator, a partnership with the boston globe, and boston university's center for anti-racist research, to reframe
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the conversation and racial justice and equity. amber payne, let me begin with you, and this new reporting, so importantly contributed by the buffalo news, local reporting, on a national story like this, turns out to be invaluable. and this shows us the image of these gunmen working alone, is it really true? this was someone who was in accumulation with others, about what he wanted to do. >> it's really chilling, lawrence. thank you for having us. but it is really chilling to know that this person was in communication with others and even a potentially, a retired law enforcement officer was aware of this. time and time again, people say that they recognize racial injustice, and that their there should be something that is done about it, but once again we are standing in this gap between
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real moral awakening and a resistance to institutional change and we find that just white supremacy has permeated and become toxic, and it is really a true question about what can actually be done to quell this. >> debra, this story makes me think about all of the training that we're now giving kids in public schools about what to do when the mass murderer inevitably shows up at your school. it's now become kind of a built-in expectation in attending schools in this country. it makes me wonder, do we need a larger citizen training, about what to do, when someone says i think i'm going to go kill all of the black people i can find at this supermarket in buffalo? >> well, to the extent that law enforcement officers, a retired law enforcement officer knew about this and other people knew about, this yes, we do need training and just the kind of
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moral conscience that would dictate that people would immediately call law enforcement and warn against this sort of thing. but there's something, we can't perm responsibility our way out of this issue -- personal responsibility our way out of this issue. this is for our leaders, our legislators, to create legislation, to minimize the access to guns, to keep schools safe, and to reprioritize and develop a moral conscience that the most marginalized, most vulnerable people in our society, everyone, the most marginalized in our society sheet need to be protected too. it's not on us. it's on our leaders. >> thank you for joining us tonight. and our special coverage. we really appreciate it. hope to have you back. and coming up, how president biden marked this memorial day. that's next. his memorial day that's next.
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on this memorial day, president biden laid a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier at arlington national cemetery, and the president said this. >> glory and honor. the quiet rows in arlington, to cemeteries that i visited in europe, to graves across our country, to towns large and small, americans beloved daughters and sons who dared
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all, risked all, and gave all to preserve and defend an idea unlike any other in human history. the idea of the united states of america. the day our son died, and those folks, those who have lost a loved one in service of our country, your loved one is missing or unaccounted for, i know the ceremonies reopen that black hole in the center of your chest that just pulls you in, suffocates you, and i said seven years ago today, our son major beau biden, army national guard, he insisted on his europe, he came home a decorated soldier, bronze star, service star, he
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didn't die in the line of duty, he came home from iraq with cancer. it was horrific cancer that stole from him. and him from us. but still, it always feels for me on memorial day, i see him, not as he was the last time i held his hand but the day i pinned his bars on hip -- him, i see him down at the bridge hugging families, days like this bring back before your eyes their smile and their laugh, and the last conversation you had, each of you know it, the hurt can be overwhelming. for so many, as you have all heard, to grasp the knowledge of
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your loved one, who is part of something bigger, bigger than any of us, they chose the life of purpose, and it sounds corny like a memorial day speech but i mean it from the bottom of my heart, they chose a life of purpose and they had a mission and above all they believed in duty, they believed in honor, they believed in their country, and we could never repay the sacrifice. but we will never stop trying. we'll never fail in our duty to remember. their lives, they bought our freedom. and so with our lives, we must always live up to their example. >> president biden gets the last word from this hour of our special memorial day coverage.
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today marks one week since the massacre in uvalde. we will go live to that grief-stricken town as loved ones begin to bury their dead. plus, new reporting on the uvalde school police chief, who made the call for officers not to rush in immediately, and take down the gunman. he was set to take his place on the city council tonight but we'll tell you what the town's mayor is saying. and the latest in the debate over gun reform. we'll discuss what the key players are thinking ahead of a senate meeting scheduled for today. good morning. and welcome to

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