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i'm emily beach, and i approve this message because nothing is more important than standing up for- - [all] our rights. right now. before we go tonight, a reminder that rachel is now here on monday, so don't forget if you dvr the rachel maddow show, you need to now send it to record msnbc prime to, rachel on mondays, all produced by rachel's great team. time now for the last word with my good friend lawrence o'donnell, good evening sir. >> good evening, ali, and keep those yachts coming. that's the kind of nice way to end the hour, to take a tour of the latest seized yacht. >> i thought we'd run out of that stuff after a while, i'm kind of fascinated by how many yachts there still are owned by russian oligarchs, they're giving us pretty to work with. >> they're losing them pretty
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quickly. well, i've never been really enraged by a supreme court decision. i have disagreed with a supreme court i've strongly disagreed with the supreme court i have been disappointed by supreme court decisions. but most of the time, i understood the legal reasoning on needs shied and believe the decision-making process was legitimate, most of the time. but not until this week have i ever felt when it is like to have a constitutional right revoked from all of us, and it is, first of all a feeling. before we get to the analysis of the decision, we feel the pain of the decision. and the agonies that the supreme court decision is going to inflict. i just want to have a word with the man of america, here.
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this is a constitutional right that belongs to all of us, that benefits all of us. we have a constitutional right to the services to help provide these services for our daughters for our granddaughters for our sisters and wives for girlfriends we have that we men have that constitutional right. and because we are being robbed of a constitutional right it is impossible for some of us to mute the rage that theft deserves. >> i would like to speak to america's men for one minute. imagine you do not have authority over your own body for ten months. imagine if that decision-making would not be taken away even if
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you would die in childbirth. if even if you couldn't decide who you are having child a child with, even if you couldn't decide when you are having that child. i don't think a man in america could actually imagine not having control of his body, his bodily functions, wet happens to him, and what life would be like for ten months. it is an outrage that we have five justices on the supreme court who lied in their confirmation hearings, in order to be confirms. >> remember, it is men who create pregnancies. we create pregnancies through love, through last, through impatience, sometimes, impulsively. we create pregnancies through
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assault, we create pregnancies through rape. every one of those pregnancies is the responsibility of a man. and the supreme court believes, now, that every one of those pregnancies, every one of them, sure result in a berth. the supreme court wants to be the champion of rape dads. it wants to create a class of rape dads in america. the supreme court is saying that there would be absolutely no exception to banning all abortion in america. no exception for rape, no exceptions for incest. supreme court wants to create this new class of dads. the rape victims will have to suffer, and the supreme court is hoping that wet, when these rapists get out of prison, if they ever go to prison, they will then reconcile with the children and the girls they have raped.
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that is the future this supreme court is imagining? filling this country with rape dads. they lied. that accusation has never been made with by a united states senator in the history of the united states senate, in the history of the night of states supreme court. senator gillibrand was just saying the five members of the united states marine court lied their way onto the supreme court. that has never been said before in the united states senate. and they are not the only ones. the day after roe v. wade was decided by the supreme court in 1973, republican president richard nixon told white house counsel chuck olson when he really thought about abortion. >> that is real republican talk about abortion.
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a republican president saying of course you should have abortions in cases of race, and of course you should have abortion in a case of a pregnancy involving sex between a black person and white person. that's the kind of abortion that president nixon thought was absolutely necessary. necessary. republicans in washington have spent decades lying about more things than they can keep track of. remember that they lie about tax cuts for the rich, increasing revenue to the treasury. they've always lied about that, no matter how many times it has proven to be a lie. and now they've gone all the way to lying about who won the presidential election. what could ever stop them from lying about abortion? lying about what they really think about abortion? i for one believes that every republican member of the united states senate who favors banning all abortions, is an abject liar. they are all a version of richard nixon. there is not a single
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republican member of the united states senate who would force a daughter or a granddaughter who was raped to have that baby. there is not a single member of the united states senate who would force a daughter or a granddaughter who is impregnated by her high school boyfriend to have that baby. they all believe in an exception for rape or incest for themselves and their families. there is no republican senator with a 13 year old daughter or granddaughter who would force that girl to have a child. but they insist, they insist that any 13 year old girl in mississippi or texas, or many other states who cannot afford to travel, most have a baby at age 13, because they cannot afford to travel. the supreme court only has the power to deny abortion services to women and girls who cannot afford to travel, to a safe haven state like california or illinois or new york.
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or to a foreign country, when republicans take over congress and allow abortion in the entire country. or, when the supreme court decides at every fetus has the full rights of personhood, and therefore abortion is murder in all 50 states. then, the travel will be more expensive. canada will be the closest option. and still, no daughter or granddaughter of any republican in the united states senate will ever, now or in the future, ever be denied abortion services, because of the law of this land. they will buy their way out of that for their daughters and granddaughters. john mccain ran into trouble talking about abortion, the first time he ran for president in 2000. it derailed his campaign, which was going very well at the time. alison mitchell the new york times reported on january 27th 2000, under the headline. the question of abortion dogs mccain. quote, struggling to answer a hypothetical question, senator
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john mccain said today that if his day in age daughter became pregnant, she would have the final decision on whether to have an abortion. he then backtracked and said, it would be a family decision. miss mccain said, i would discuss this issue with st. louis and megan, and this would be a private decision that we would share within our family. obviously, i would encourage her to know that baby would be brought up in a warm loving family. the final decision would be made by meghan, with our advice and counsel, and i think that such a private manner. mr. mccain, who has said repeatedly that he is morally opposed to abortion, was then asked whether he had just articulated the the position of the abortion rights movement, which argues that the procedure should not be outlawed but left up to the individual women. mr. mccain became visibly irritated. i don't think it's the choice position to say that my daughter and my wife and i will discuss something, that is a family matter, that we have to decide, he said. a short time later, mr. mccain
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telephone reporters and said. i misspoke. when i believed i was saying, and intended to say, is this is a family decision. the family decision will be made by the family, not that meghan alone. they are all pro-choice. there is no family decision to be made if there is no choice. john mccain was describing exactly what's should happen in a loving family when a teenage daughter becomes pregnant. john mccain lost the republican nomination to george w. bush, because george w. bush got to have it both ways. he got to claim that he was in favor of banning all abortions, with exceptions for rape and incest, and life of the mother, but the republican platform that iran called for banning all abortions. >> the position, is you believe there's an exception for rape, incest, and life of mother. but you want the platform that
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you're supposed to be leading to have no exceptions. >> the platform talks about -- it doesn't talk about what specifically should be in the constitutional amendment. please let me finish. the platform speaks about a constitutional amendments, doesn't refer to how that constitutional amendment ought to be defined. >> read the platform, it has no exceptions. >> john, i think we need to keep the platform the way it, is this is a plot pro-life party. may i finish please? please. we need to be a pro-life party. we need to say, life is precious, and that is what our platform refers to, and that's why we need to leave at the same. >> and that man made samuel alito a supreme court justice. he didn't believe all abortion should be banned, but he's appointed a supreme court justice who believes exactly that, and written a draft opinion that will ban all abortions in many states
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immediately, and possibly lead eventually to a supreme court imposed ban on all abortions in all states. donald trump appointed three of the catholic school educated supreme court justices who are voting to revoke a constitutional right. donald trump was a big fan of that right before he became a republican position in 2004, on howard stern's radio show. howard stern said i have a great little daughter tiffany, at the time it was like excuse me, what happened. and i said when we're gonna do about this -- are you serious, is the most beautiful day of our lives. i said, oh great. howard stern said, what do you mean we? donald trump said, do you want to get married? >> so, when donald trump's girlfriend told him that he was pregnant, he said excuse me what happened, and then he said what are we going to do about this? his girlfriend knew that he was
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asking about having an abortion, to which she then said, are you serious? it goes without saying that anyone named trump, or anyone related to donald trump will always have abortion rights in a private rain in if necessary in order to exercise those private rights. one of the most sanctimonious prosecutors of president clinton's impeachment trial, was congressman robert barr of georgia. rob barr was on his third wife by the time he was standing in judgment of bill clinton, bob his second wife released an affidavit the year after the affidavit, say met bob or paid for her to have an abortion in 1983, after they already had two children. she said that congressman barr drove to the abortion clinic, and picture up to bring her home. there is no reason to think that there aren't more republican members of the house and senate who have paid for abortion services for their lives, or for women who were there having affairs, with for
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their daughters and granddaughters. to force a raped 13-year-old girl, to force a rape 12-year-old girl to have a baby. to force a rave to child to give birth to a child. to force or to do that is barbaric. and every republican senator knows that. on page 66 of his draft opinion, samuel alito says that abortion is barbaric. he approvingly quotes the mississippi law that issued in the case, calling abortion, quote, a barbaric practice. mississippi legislature wants to force raped children in mississippi to have children. samuel alito holds to his traditional catholic opinion that abortion is murder, but judges don't like to make pronouncements like that themselves they can find someone else to quote. saying what they want to say. so samuel alito does that on page 17 of his drive to pinion, where he quotes so at sir edward koch, same in 17th
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century england an abortion is murder. but even sir edward koch, sounds like a roe v. wade supporter, because he doesn't believe abortion is murder until the fetus can be felt to be moving inside the womb. and at the same time that sir edward koch was thinking about where the line should be drawn on legal and illegal abortion, he was are also rewriting england's laws against witchcraft, to strengthen those laws in 16 04, to provide a death penalty for which is who, quote, invoke evil spirits. samuel alito is asking the supreme court of the united states to take moral guidance from the man who believed in witches, and believed in putting them to death. just as we did in this country throughout the 17th century, an era that samuel alito reviewers in our legal history. samuel alito and his clerks play amateur historian in their
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draft opinion, and their scholarship is shabby, and is biased, and in the case of edward koch, it is deranged. the lives of samuel elite oh did not stop in his confirmation hearing. leading off our discussion tonight, our melissa murray professor of law new york university, and msnbc legal analyst, and -- 21st century, and former president of planned parenthood. social, let me begin with you, and what you have experienced in how people are reacting out there now, women are reacting out there right now to the possibility that abortion will be closed down in their states within a matter of weeks. >> sure, well i can't help but point out to that all the men you just referred to will never be pregnant. and that really underscores to me the whole hypocrisy of what we're discussing. these are people who are never going to face unintended
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pregnancy, a troubled pregnancy, a dangerous pregnancy, making rules about our lives. but putting that aside, as you can imagine right now, it is total chaos in america. in texas, where of course abortion has been banned, basically, except for before six weeks for months now. the stories that i'm hearing on the ground of white health care providers are dealing with our heartbreaking. women who are trying or seeking to end a pregnancy, have never been on an airplane, who are piling their children and maybe their friend in a car, driving to colorado, finding a place to stay overnight. a young woman who had just called clinic who in spanish said she cannot leave the state because she would lose her job. we know that these abortion restrictions and bans are falling hardest on people with low incomes, women with low incomes who have no other resources.
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you probably know this, but if roe is in fact overturned, as we believe now it will be, the texas law is going to get much much worse. you are not going to be able to get any abortion in texas if you are the victim of rape, if you are the victim of incest, if you have a medically complicated pregnancy, if you have a pregnancy where the fetus is -- has problems that are incompatible with life. it is now going to allow us to jail doctors for as long as life imprisonment. so just begin to imagine, and i think the american people are beginning to imagine what it looks like when you are punishing women and you are jailing doctors. that is what the republican party has drawn out. that's with their passing across the country. and if this decision holds, if this decision stands, 37 million women of childbearing age in this country will no longer have access to safe and legal abortion.
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>> professor marie, justice sotomayor spoke about the stench that comes from the supreme court if it gets too politicized. the more i live with this opinion, the more that stench fills the room, and the more it becomes a political document. the legal reasoning in it just falls away the more you read it. that's been my experience with it. what is yours? >> i think that's right. as a matter of legal analysis, there are parts of the opinion that are absolutely incoherent, i will take one for example, justice alito's fervent desire to sequester the question of abortion from other rights they're also implicated, like the right to marriage, will it right to same sex marriage, interracial marriage and contraception. he argues that none of those things are affected by this decision, but that's actually absolutely specious. if you go through that opinion, he says the only thing that separates abortion is not as unique because it destroys a life. that's not something that is
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constitutional. there is no rooting in the constitution for distinguishing between rights and that way. but it really boils down to is he's telling us that it doesn't affect the use of the rights, but there is nothing in here that downs to guardrail other than his very facile assurances that this is going to be different. we know it's not going to be different. this right under grows not only abortion, it undergirds safe this ex marriage, it undergirds rights for lgbtq people, it undergirds contraception. and all of this is poised to fall. that's one major, major incoherence. another is his failure to grapple with the post-row six equality presidents of this court, that it made clear that women's reproductive rights are essential to the question of their equal citizenship. he casually dismisses the notion of equal protection in this draft opinion, as though it is of no moment. so again, it's not surprising, you can't overrule a 40 nine-year-old president giving women the right to choose if
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you are taking seriously the prospect of women's equality. >> and social, bloomberg has done some reporting today on the economic picture in states that have abortion rights, and states have more restrictive abortion rights. it's clearly a relevant part of strong economic development for a bunch of reasons, including poverty rates and increase the more you restrict abortion, because you are limiting young women especially in their 20s, who are getting most of the abortion services, you are limiting their ability in the workplace by forcing them to have babies that they would otherwise not have at that time in their lives. we all know, the supreme court only has the ability, and this is like public schools, the supreme court -- the government can make an impact on what happens within public schools, and have zero control over everything that happens in a private school classroom. so, they can have no effect on
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the education of rich children, just like this government can have absolutely no effect on the reproductive rights of rich women. >> lawrence, over these last 48 hours, as this is all been beginning to sink in. that to me is what is most alarming and frank breaking, and you started talking about how angry, or i'm angry because i feel like we're now poised to lose an entire generation of women who are not going to have the opportunities to finish school, to have a family when they want to. maybe to go into a sports career, to get a graduate degree, to go into the workforce. all of these things, we know there is a really good study by brookings last year the completely correlated the right to say from legal abortion, the ability to plan when and if to have children, with the educational and economic and dance made of women.
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and where those rights are taken way, and women immediately fall back. and it's not only on their economic participation, but it's about their health and well-being. when abortion became safe and legal in this country, maternal mortality rates among black women dropped 30 to 40%. the health care outcomes that we are now going to see, and states that make abortion illegal are horrifying to imagine. and, of course, we also know that is a result of safe and legal abortion, children did better. children in this country, poverty rates were reduced, children were able to finish school, children were able to be raised in action liu support themselves. all of this, it's sort of like the professors saying. all of these pieces are going to come crumbling down if the republican party is successful and takes away the most fundamental right of women to make decisions about their own health care and their own body in their own future.
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>> social richard, professor melissa murray, thanks so much for starting off our discussion tonight. and coming up, republican senators running for reelection are now officially running as fast as they can away from the illegal opinion overturning roe v. wade, marco rubio is one of those senators, and representative albums is running next to him for senate. representative val denting joins us next. joins us next. only two things are forever: love and liberty mutual customizing your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. (emu squawks) if anyone objects to this marriage, speak now or forever hold your peace. (emu squawks) (the crowd gasps) no, kevin, no! not today. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ only pay for what you need. since i left for college, my dad has gotten back into some of his old hobbies. and now he's taking trulicity, and it looks like he's gotten into some
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away from the supreme court decision that they all claim they wanted, especially the republican senators running for reelection for december. marc rubio told the miami herald, my thoughts on life as well defined and changed, and then he did the same thing. for his other republican senator who has the job of helping republicans win in all of the senate campaigns this year is very afraid of the supreme court ruling. senator rick scott said this, yesterday. >> there should be an exception for rape and incest. so, i think that's where the american public is. >> joining us now is democratic representative, she's the representative of the housing committee. she is running for the united states senate. representative, there is work scott saying, of course, and there should be an exception for rape and incest. and there's a supreme court that he voted to confirm saying, no, there should not be any
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exceptions unless the states say there should be exceptions, and there are not many republican controlled states saying, zero, no exceptions, including mississippi in the case of the supreme court's ruling. >> lawrence, it was good to be back with you. let me say this, it is absolutely unbelievable that we're actually here. and you know, i just heard what florida senator said. i certainly listen to what marco rubio said. but we cannot listen simply to what marco rubio says. we have to look at what marco rubio does. and what we do know is, marco rubio will say anything for political gain, and then do another. michael rubio's full throttle. into his belief that a woman should not have the right to choose her own destiny. that she does not have the right to decide the most intimate, the most personal decisions around her life and her family. and, marco rubio is on the
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record saying that he does not believe in any exception for rape, incest, or the health of the woman. look, lawrence, i investigated sexual assaults. i investigated sexual abuse that gets children. that is simply appalling. it is ridiculous, and, yes margot rio is trying to run as far away from this as he can. but we're gonna make sure that he is not allowed to do that, and show florida exactly who they have as their senator. >> the polling on this is very much against marco rubio. 60% of people in florida are opposed to the florida law that would effectively ban abortions after 15 weeks. no exceptions for rape and incest. hold three 1% approve it. so 60% agree with you on that and the state of florida. marco rubio is not just up
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against you on this, he's up against the voters of florida. >> that's absolutely correct, lawrence, but i guess mark arugula is basically telling the majority of floridians to go to hell. and he is going to do what he wants to do. look, the bottom line as, we are not going to go away from this issue. women in florida also shows overwhelmingly that men and women, not just in florida but across the nation, support a woman's right to choose. we're gonna continue to keep this going. we're not going away. we are not sitting down, we're not shutting up, women deserve to make their own choices, and not be treated like property and not be treated like second class citizens. look, i'm committed to keeping this fight going. and i hope that those who are listening, we'll let you invest in this campaign and support this campaign. >> representative val demings,
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thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you >>. coming up, wendy davis is at the texas state capital with beto o'rourke speaking as the supreme court decision on abortion. she will join us next along with her professional musical or, who literally wrote the book on this year of abortion law. in, fact the books. she has written several or. on the subject, that's next. next. next. pssst caesar! julius! dude, you should really check in with your team on ringcentral. i was thinking like... oh hi, caesar. we were just talking about you. ha ha ha. yeah, you should probably get out of here. not good. ♪ ♪ ♪ ringcentral ♪ finding the perfect project manager isn't easy. but, at upwork, we found him. he's in adelaide between his color-coordinated sticky note collection
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state capital with beto irk. >> this is not about life, this is about control. this is about power. it's about controlling the lives of the women of texas and taking power away from them. >> depending on how much privilege you have, how much money is in your bank account, you will have different rights than other people in this country. we live in a state and we find ourselves in a country with a supreme court that no longer believes that we are born with inherent rights, liberties, and freedom. but instead, that those are things that are granted to us by government and government alone. >> joining us now is our legal historian and law professor at mary zeigler. she was author of the new book, dollars for life. the anti-abortion movement, and the fall of the republican astonishment. also with, us wendy davis,
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former texas state senator and founder of deeds not words, a reproductive rights group in texas. professor zeigler, let me begin with you, it was difficult for me as an amateur historian to be reading the amateurish dorian's samuel alito and his clerks with what they have inserted in the supreme court opinion. there are things that i find in it that are shoddy scholarship. what is it like for you? >> kind of a similar experience. i think there is a weird talk going back and forth between policy and history in the draft that suggests history released what's being done. in particular, i think there was a kind of whitewashing of the motives and the people who passed criminal voting laws in the 19th century, a heroic narrative about with these people are thinking. that kind of ignore some of the racism and eugenics motives behind some of the original laws. and there was a kind of
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cherry-picking or misreading about where some of the laws actually represented that made it seem as if there were some much more coherent story about how clearly and how consistently the abortion this week to criminalize at the time it was run. so i think a lot of this is fun to be problematic, and i don't think i'm alone in that. >> and so much of the opinion hinges on this notion of these ideas being deeply rooted in our history. wendy davis, what is happening in texas? you are at the capitol today with federal o'rourke. people in texas know with a trigger law there, that it could be just weeks away. from abortion being bound in affected. >> it literally could be, lawrence. we've already been dealing with the six-week ban here. at the tremendous logistical challenges of making sure that people who need abortion care are able to leave our state, to receive that care. and it's only going to get worse. and, i know texas joins a
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number of states around the country who are bracing for that, and trying to create a kind of coordinated effort in advance that are going to meet the logistical needs of people who are trying to access abortion in the states where we still might be allowed. and the other thing we're working on, now, is just trying to help encourage people to understand that though we are a heavily re-district it, heavily gerrymandered state where our voices really have been nude or in district races, and our congressional and state house state senate races, we also are a state where our voices matter very much in the upcoming state election where redistricting cannot touch us. and just trying to get that message out loud and clear that we are going to meet the most immediate demands of the people here on our space, we also need to exercise our voices in the electoral process, so that we can change the lawmakers who
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have fought very long and hard to bring us to the point where we are right now. >> professor ziegler, we see 30 years of supreme court appointments that it took for this to happen. clarence thomas is one of the deciding voters on this appointment. on this opinion, and so there is a commitment and republican politics to have played this very long game. and i never detected they were even slightly frustrated by not winning in the years that they're gonna win. and they just stayed with this and stayed with this relentlessly, -- >> that's right, and i think there's a lesson for progressives. i have people, say is there anything that can be done to stop the supreme court from overturning roe? and i think concert that is no, but that wouldn't change things, of course, where antiabortion groups have been working to reverse row for nearly half a
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century now. and i've done everything from work to deregulate campaign spending, and kind of, let loose the flow of dark money to align with the republican party to work on restrictions on voting to make it easier to control the supreme court and see the day that roe v. wade is on it, potentially. they're moving a day where there's a nation one ban on abortion. either one passed to congress, or implemented by a conservative supreme court. so, i think of progressives are committed to this, we will be willing to play the long game just as much. >> professor mary zeigler, and wendy davis, thank you both very much for joining, us we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and coming up, first lady jill biden's reaction to the leak of the supreme court draft opinion. simone sanders, who interviewed the first lady today, will join us next. will joi us next. us next. ♪ ♪i'm so defensive,♪
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would say is how shocking it was to hear the news. i got the call that it was leaked. election matters, the election of the president matters, because he's the one who puts the justices on the court. but if this goes to a state level, our state legislatures are going to matter to. so people have to get involved. >> can watch that entire interview saturday at 4 pm eastern here on msnbc, and the debut of simone sanders new show called, of, course someone. simone sanders joins us now, congratulations on the big get with the first lady. this is a week unlike any other than any white house has gone through. no one else was obviously had the leak of a supreme court opinion. with this first lady, what can you tell you about the white
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house reaction tonight? >> she talked about the clip that you saw that she was shocked when she got the news about the same time about the draft. and i think context here is really important. doctor biden has woven in a world both without the protection of roe v. wade and with the protections of roe v. wade. she is someone that over her career has championed, if you will, women's rights. all known in the interview, she talks about how important her independence is to her. and i think that those comments juxtapose where women all across this country, especially young women, find themselves today is fascinating. >> the profile, the economic proposal we know about and various demographic profiles of women who are receiving abortion services now, a majority of, them 59% already have one child. 50% of them are living below
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the poverty line. those who are living below the poverty line with one child. the idea that they could travel to some other state to obtain the services is next to impossible. >> i mean, that's putting it mildly. i think, lawrence, a couple of years ago, there was a tour that was developed. and it was called the rise up for rogue tour. and i was talking about the need for people across the country to wake up, raise their voices, about the prospects of roe being overturned with someone like justice kavanaugh or other folks on the court. well at the time, i remember being on that tour, and so many people told us that we were being hysterical. that it was never, roll settled law. and now we see in this leak draft opinion and i read the entire opinion, lawrence, and encourage people to do so as well. it was 90 pages, with actual opinion is only about 65. and in there, justice alito
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talks about the difference between settled law, and law that is settled right. and i had never heard that before. you are absolutely right, it is poor women, it is middle class middle class women. it is people who are working two, three jobs and still are shuttling to put money in their pockets. to feed their families. that will suffer from this. let's be very clear, abortions will still happen. the question is, will they be safe? and the answer is no. will they be legal? announcer is no. no. >> the supreme court ruling only applies to women who cannot afford to travel. it only restricts their options, really. it makes it more difficult to have to travel to do this. well women with enough income to do that will be able to do it. and the supreme court seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that when they are ruling on are simply restricting the
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