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they've provided $600 million in military aid to ukraine this year. no u.s. troops will go to ukraine. it's not a member of nato. kwoivl -- 8500 troops are awaiting an order. this marks a dramatic pivot for the white house. after a video conference monday, the president said the allies are on the same page. >> i had a very, very, very good meeting. totally in animty with all the european leaders. >> the leaders of france and germany, this hour, about to speak at a news confrngs in berlin. they've been going in slightly different directions. macron has his own plans to go
to moscow later this week and talk to vladimir putin. the white house is said to greet congressional aids. they're expected to give briefings when they return to congress next week. the stand off sending jitters across the u.s. and global economies, adding to white house worries about inflation. and now soaring prices for food and gas. this as we await policy announces from the federal reserve after they conclude a two-day meeting starting today in washington. in covid, major setbacks for mask mandates. in virginia, 7 districts are suing governor youngkin after he made masks optional and in new york, the court shut down the indoor mask mandate. the escalating tensions for russia and ukraine. the senior white house
correspondent, o'donnell and kelly, first to you, what might the president's decision be? when might he make it? we know the troops are on standby in the u.s. >> we know the president has made one decision already and that's to accept the decision of deputy assistant austin, which gives the secretary the opportunity to be called forward, if nato makes the request, if european allies make the request. we asked the president where he is in the decision-making praugs process. we've been told he's been working closely with his european partners. he's worked with eight european leaders yesterday, talking about how they can be most ready to fortify eastern european countries, nato alliances in the potential areas where they feel there's the most risk.
those countries close to say ukraine. of course, you crane, as you explained is not a member of nato. and excess cost to russia as russia moves forward. but the president has not been saying he would do more than that publicly. he has said he would support and fortify nato. but has not told us when or how he would make a decision to actually send troops from the u.s. to europe. they're watching, minute by mined developments. the white house says based on all the intelligence and the information they're getting, they believe russia could act at any time. which is why they've asked the personnel in the embassy in the capitol of ukraine to send their families home. that's an order. voluntary return the united states for non-essential personnel and the callout to all americans in ukraine to leave the country now while commercial travel is available and to not have other americans traveling there.
so, all the signs are in place to be most prepared in case russia takes further action. but the white house is saying they still want to deter vladimir putin, to stop him from taking further aggression, and to try to send a signal that nato is strong, that the resources and support from european leaders and the united states are instep. andrea. >> and we're not expecting to see the president unless something changes? >> reporter: that's right. he has no public events on his schedule at this point. >> thanks so much. i know you have to go to the white house briefing. courtney at the pentagon. john kirby made the announcement about the troops being placed on heightened alert yesterday. you were there, of course. play a little of what kirby had to say. >> this is about getting troops ready and back to what we're trying to achieve is a couple of things. obviously, we still would like to deter vladimir putin and the
russians from another incursion. number two, it's to make sure we're bolstering and staying unified with the aliengs. >> so, courtney, fill us in on the expectations from the pentagon. what are you seeing in terms of what they think is imminent? more likely than not? and we heard what the president said last week about vladimir putin, having taken the steps, has to do something, which is what we're hearing from the state department also? sglz. >> reporter: there's been a shift in the narrative in the last week or so. overall, we hear there is hope diplomacy will work and vladimir putin will not invade. the narrative has shifted to from an if to more of a when. they believe it's going to be a
matter of when and how extensive it is that he goes forward with here. you played a little bit of what press secretary john kirby said yesterday. it's important that the troops based in the united states, many are already part of a reaction force, a response force, that is ready all the time to deploy if needed around the world. the other thousands in the last 24 hours or so, many are being put on a shorter tether. but they will be ready to go if necessary. in order for the united states to actually provide those deployment orders to these troops, nato would have to activate this response force. that has not happened. one thing we're watching is whether nato actually may activate that in advance of an actual invasion or whether they could wait until after vladimir putin acts.
that is something that we're still trying to get the answer to here. but it's important that the united states maintains 10s of thousands of troops and equipment there in europe that could be moved around within the theater if necessary. the kinds of capabilities that we expect to get more detail on, that are on prepared to deploy orders that could be moved around within the theater are things like aviation support, logistics, medical capability and support and intelligence and surveillance. the ability to send over head assets to see what's going on, on the grund. we expect a large number of the 8500 troops are infantry soldiers. those are people who will be moved around ukraine. they're there as a potential deterrent from vladimir putin and a way to shore up and bolster defenses of some of the nato allies there. >> thank you.
and you also have briefings to go to. so, anymore news, bring it back to us again to you and to kelly. jeff mason, it's a huge test for the president who tallied that the nato alliance is on the same page. vladimir putin is certainly testing nato, putting pressure on them. and it's true that germany and france, they have different geography and certainly different energy. angela merkel, one of her decisions that's somewhat criticized is shutting down the nuclear power and relying so heavily on natural gas from moscow. >> reporter: absolutely. europe gets roughly 30% of the natural gas from russia and that threat hangs over them as they are facing this dilemma as to what to do if president trump makes the decision to go to ukraine and that's obviously something the united states is taking into account as well.
and something president biden is taking into account. and u.s. officials told reporters this morning that they're in talks with natural -- liquefied natural gas providers to have a contingency plan to help supply europe in the winter the spring if the supply from russia, via ukraine, ended up getting cut. so, that hangs over this. it's also, you mentioned germany. another piece of the deliberations about what to do in terms of sanctions against russia. there's been disputes between the united states and germany over north stream two, which is a pipeline from russia to germany that would carry natural gas. there is now a threat that they won't let that pipeline go forward. but that would be a blow to germany as well. >> and the fact is the president keeps talking about the unity of the nato aliengs. but clearly, there are some divisions.
macron going to moscow, wanting to talk directly to vladimir putin and go around the u.s. >> reporter: yes, that's interesting and i'll be interested to hear what he and the new chancellor say. president biden very eager to show that there is not any daylight between the europeans and the nato alliance. but if there are cracks, that's something that no doubt vladimir putin will try to destroy. >> and that's one of the american reporters asking questions of putin and trump in helsinki at that remarkable -- i guess it was june 2017 -- that extraordinary news conference. thank you. days to remember. and moments ago, speaking at an airport east of kiev and standing in front of an americans weapons supply, the u.s. christina quin, warning russia about a apotential invasion.
>> if any russian military forces move across the ukrainian border, that's an invasion and will be met with swift, severe and a united response. if russia decides to come into ukraine, it will be as disaster for russia. >> joining us now, william cohn. former secretary. we still do not have a nominee for the white house to be the ambassador to ukraine. as i've been saying this is not ted cruz holding up various ambassadors, which he did for six months or more. but this is no nominee for ukraine. since marie yovanovitch was pulled back by president trump. >> well, i think the senate
obviously has to take into account what they're doing by holding up qualified people to serve as our eyes and ears on the front lines -- >> clearly. >> but she is at least speaking clearly about what the reaction is. i just want to contribute a little to the dialogue about waiting forputen to act. he's already acted. he's sent 130,000 troops on the border of ukraine. i don't know but i believe, and i have believed for some time now, that he's already planned and planning to go in. he's going to take and try to take some portion, if not all of ukraine. so, we are trying to deter him. 8500 troops going to the allies in the region is not going to be a deterrent at this time. what the signal has to be is that these 8500 are the shape of things to come. if you, in fact, move into
ukraine, we'll not only beef up our nato allies with 8500, that number will grow, not only in terms of combat soldiers but equipment. air defense equipment. antitank equipment, everything that could pose a problem for you in the future. that's on the military side. the financial side are going to be serious. and maybe you calculated that in your decision to go forward. but in any event, if you see the unanimity of action being taken and the consequence, that may cause you to pair back what your intentions are. but i think this is really important for the white house, for president biden to explain to the american people, who say why should we care about ukraine? because it's not only ukraine, as fiona hill pointed out in a "the new york times", this is the beginning of the effort to
drive the united states out of europe. what does that mean for european security and american security that you would have russia be the dominant power, with the possibility of china trying to do something like wise by driving the united states out of asia in the in dough pacific region. this is a smaller part of it but an important part. that's why it matters. that's why it's important for our nato allies to act with unanimity. much of that has been our creation. and we talked about using the pivot to asia. i think a poor word to describe what we're trying to do to that point. when we pull out of afghanistan and planning to move out of iraq, syria. so, the signal we're sending is we're pulling back and shifting resources to other areas.
russia has now emerged as the premier threat to security in the entire european theater. >> mr. secretary, how impactful, as a deterrent, are these sanction threats when talking about semiconductors and chips, things essential for russian military industrial complex? and consumer goods but most importantly for their military, for their industries, which they don't make themselves. can they get these thing frumz chinas from china? back door? i wonder how much vladimir putin will notice the sanctions. and we're no longer borrowing from the swift system potentially because of blowback against our own economy in retaliation through energy supplies. >> well, i think the sanctions will take some immediate effect but the long-term effect would
be more serious. i think immediately there would be a spike in prices and disruptions. the long-term effect would bequite devastating. on the other hand, i think putin's already taken this into account and talking to his friend in china to say how do we construct a banking system that will circumvent the bankers from the united states and the west? i don't think that is a consideration he hasn't factored into his calculations? but i think as far as deterring him, we have to go beyond just nato. we have to go to our friends in the middle east and say they are violating the rules established to keep the piece since the end of world war ii. he's now using political force to invade another country. so, if you are with the rule of law, with the international regime that has resulted in so much peace and prosperity having been generated, you will be with
us on this, you will reduce your relationship with russia as well and treat them as a rogue, pariah, criminal enterprise country. and that also has an implement for russia. want to be respected? well, act respectfully. you want to play a bigger role in the world stage, you can do that but not through the power of a gun barrel. all power comes at the end of the a gun barrel. no. we believe it comes at the ends of a democratic philosophy, allow people to enjoy freedom. allow people to have chance at prosperity, rather than what you have is a clept oceracy. all of your autocrats, they're doing very well. and what i think we should do is wage an information -- not a disinformation campaign, an information campaign into what alliances he's trying to establish.
this is what goes on. >> let me ask you whether you think that the reinforced ukrainian military, the insurgence, the militia groups there, the pro-government militia groups, can they resist backed up by nato and surrounding countries? how do you judge the match up between what russia has 130,000 and what nato has and is deploying with the way astonia, lat via and surrounding areas, poland. >> it's a complete mismatch between russian power and that in ukraine. and again, we have to be very clear the troops and equipment going into the nato countries is not designed to go to war with russia, unless we are forced into that position where they start attacking us.
so, the troops going to the baltic areas and others will be to -- this is something we have to really make clear. these are not short-term deployments. these are going to be permanent and they're going to be increased. so, if you were to drive us out? that's your goal? you're not driving us out. in fact, we're going to reinforce, replenish and make them permanent. we're going to be there. so, we have to send that signal as well. keep separate whether or not the ukraines, supported by us in the nato alliance, are going to be sufficient to defend the russians. that's a different question. they will fight and they'll cause significant damage to the russians but the russians have a much more overwhelming force capability right now. >> thank you so much, mr. secretary, always great to
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it's another day and another shaky day for wall street as stocks drop a second day, dropping over 700 points at one stage this morning. yesterday the dow fell 1100 points before closing up for the day. federal reserve is meeting this week. we could learn more about their plans to raise interest rates down the road, or at looegs their policies tomorrow when they hold a news conference and make announcements after their two-day meeting. joining me is cnbc economics reporter, steve liesman. you know more about the fed than anyone. so, let's talk about what they
might do, have done. are they behind the curve? where are we in the economy? >> andrea, thanks. we think tomorrow that fed chair jay powell and the federal reserve will basically afirm the expectation in the market that they will be raising as many as four times this year. and also begin to wind down their balance sheet. you remember they ended up buying assets, treasuries to drive down interest rates further. now they're basically going to remove the stimulus much faster than previously expected. we expect them to reaffirm this new expectation in the market, which is probably responsible for all the volatility we've seen. is the fed behind the curve? we just did a survey and 91% think the fed is either somewhat or significantly late in addressing the inflation problem. >> and this was partly what we
heard for many months was this is transitory, it's inflation will end. but now it certainly is more deeply rooted. did they underestimate the impact of the covid relief and how that was still in the pipeline and not fully circulating through the economy? >> i think that's a good way to put it. i think what happened is the pandemic was originally seen as an issue for consumeder mand and overall economic activity. so, what happened is both the trump administration, later the biden administration and the federal reserve essentially flooded the zone with cash. they put as much out there as they possibly could. sometime around october or november this year, they took a step back and said wait a second. is the problem consumer demand or supply? if people aren't showing up to work, we can't produce and ship the goods people buy.
so, it's more of a consumer problem than a demand problem. that's when they began to piv andt pivot hard. most economists missed it. you can say we started to see elevated inflation rates in november and -- >> he's underwater on his polling. 70% of the people in the poll, more than 70% believe we're going in a wrong direction. that's a terrible number approaching a midterm. so, now do they begin to feel a lot of pressure? do they do things they shouldn't be doing in terms of the economy? do you think patience is probably still a good recommendation? >> so, i think what the fed will do is it will react more or less to the data.
and if the data continues to come in hot when it comes to inflation, i think that will pump the fed to do more in terms of withdrawing policy and trying to slow the economy. i think patience is warranted in several respects. people were given an awful lot of money from the stimulus and that won't last forever. people's savings went way up and they're beginning to draw them down somewhat. the second thing is i think some of the supply bottle necks over time should work their way out. that's the second aspect of this. and i think the third aspect is the best solution for high prices is high prices. that's the economic theory. i say that understanding that means there's pain in individual families. but when people start to balk and not pay the high priegss, the prices will come down over time. the three solutions essentially do argue for some form of patience. >> steve liesman who's been
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the u.s. has just hit another grim milestone. 72 million covid cases since the start of the pandemic. meanwhile, the debate over mask mandates underway as they roll back critical tools used to slow the spread. and a federal judge ruling the governor did not have the authority to create it. in virginia more divisions over mask mandates in schools. newly sworn in governor youngkin has banned school districts from imposing mask mandates amid angry mask protesters. but now they're suing the governor for banning mask mandates. i know you're on the frontlines every day. how did we get here?
where parents and schoolboards and governors are fighting over whether a mask is somehow an invasion of your personal liberty? >> you know what, andrea, i think about this a lot because it does strike a cord with all of us, not just doctors, therapists, nurses and teachers. i think it reflects the sendment that we're somehow harming children by asking them to wear a mask. what i think people don't realize is this is probably the least intrucive think we could do to make sure children and teachers and faculty and staff are safe in school. that's our end goal. we can talk about how -- remember in the beginning of the pandemic we didn't know whether we needed masks. our science has evolved. i think at the heart of this is an emotional tug of war between what do we need to do to keep our children in school but to keep their household safe and we have to admit we're here because we only have 65% of the country vaccinated.
because we failed to create the wall of immunity to protect everyone. >> let's talk also about pfizer and biontech announcing testing underway for an omicron-specific vaccine for adults. dr. fauci was on and addressing what he thinks covid might look like in the future. >> if in fact it becomes the low-level dominant variant that you'd want to protect people from breakthrough infections and you might want to boost them, it makes sense to think in terms of, at least having ready, an omicron-specific boost. we may not need it. >> so, what do you make of that assessment? do you agree? >> i do. i think, look, if anything being overly prepared is something nobody has accused the united states of. i think having the manufacturers ready for global distribution of
omicron-specific variant vaccine is a responsible thing to do. i think the looming question is will we actually need it? and will that be the next generation of vaccines we need to use or do we need to look for a next variant that could have a very different mutations. we haven't picked up anything yet. but this is the responsible thing to do because everybody's been asking me when do we have to have this ready? creating a new formula is actually not as complicated as some of our other vacceens. we could do this in months, which is good news. >> and we're seeing the first batch of the 400 million n 95 masks the biden administration announced last week becoming available at local pharmacies. do you think that has a good, potential impact. >> it does for the future. would i have loved to seen this six months or three months ago before omicron? of course.
we received a bunch of them and they're not easy to put on. what i'll say is if you're frustrated, wear the mask you know how to fit plopperly. thing of this as being in our drawer of things we may need again. i hope we don't to this magnitude but we need to think of being prepared and not just reactive. >> there great advice. thanks again. great to see you. and sinema facing the rath of her own party back home. what impact is that going to have on the midterms? t going to have on the midterms ♪are you ready for me♪ ♪are you ready♪ ♪are you ready♪
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as democrats in the last six months, that's not a winning strategy. i understand the anger that the democrats feel in arizona but i think the better course for the democrats is to sit down and say what will work for you? what are you willing to support? get it passed and then begin that all-important midterm campaign. >> and eugene, when you talk about blaming manchin and sinema and letting the frustration boil over, you're pointing out that many hill democrats are upset with schumer's strategy. so, have they burned the bridges or can they bring them back in the fold? >> it seems like they're going to definitely try to bring them back to the fold. there's frustration that there was the press to get -- rally around manchin and sinema,
telling people to go to call their offices, telling people to isolate them and protest them. that was never going to work. and i talked to a lot of white house aids early on in this process in the build back better saga. that said that. especially for joe manchin, running around and saying -- calling him a racist, which happened quite a bit when it came to voting rights; telling him he was a bad person, that was not going to work. so, now the party both senate leadership and the white house are trying to refigure how they're going to restart this relationship. we've already seen how the president himself and the white house has said they're not going to have the president lean in as much on some of the negotiations and allow hill leadership to figure this stuff out on their own. but like the senator said they do need both of their votes for all of these things they have coming forward.
so, to smooth that relationship out and probably start with, do big chunks of build back better. start with what both senators are willing to do and willing to vote for and then go from there. >> over the weekend, bernie sanders told chuck on "meet the press." that he wants to have that symbolic vote to again get them on the record about build back better and once it goes down, which it will, break it up and try to get large chunks or whatever they can get in reconciliation. is that another example of playing too much to the progressives as they did on the house side, arguably with all the extended negotiations? >> well, there are two things happening. you have progressives, supporters of bernie sanders and others, who want to see the two senators sinema and manchin on the record of saying they have these votes maybe further down
the line, in 2024 when senator sinema is up for re-election. you wanted to hear progressives make sure they feel the pressure. but there's a practicality, which is there needs to be a deal brokered and senator sinema is key to that. and all the talks about primarying her don't get them what they need which is tapping into the idea that president biden's agenda isn't fully stalled by his own political party. there's a lot of frustration against senator sinema. a "the new york times" found 74% were backing democrats but only 42% backing sinema. there's a gulf growing in arizona and apart from the fact that she's a vote needed, she's a democrat who won in arizona in a senate seat, the first in 30 years to do so. so, she understands her power and aggressively showing she has this power and something that
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there's a plan on inflation, things are feeling better, biden's approve rating is up, you can avoid a blood bath. but you can't do that by continuing to have inner party fights. >> we're going to have to leave it there. former senator heidi, eugene, thank you very much. and classified staffers to get a briefing on ukraine today. we'll talk to a key member of the intelligence community next. the intelligence community next. it's still the eat fresh refresh™ so subway's upping their avocado game. we're talking just two great ingredients. perfectly ripe, hand-scooped hass avocados and a touch of sea salt. it's like a double double for your tastebuds. subway keeps refreshing and refreshing and refreshing... hey lily, i need a new wireless plan for my business,
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response force? >> i hope not. i think it is important for the following reason. in the end, what is this about? this isn't about putin defending russia's borders. it is about expanding the borders. what does he really want? he wants nato to end and the united states out of europe. so i think you have to threaten him with the thing he hates most. the notion that there might be a much greater nato presence and usa presence within eastern and central bloc european countries. he's never going to be appeased on eastern europe, so i think you have to threaten him with a far worse condition. >> and threaten him with these troop deployments, threaten him with all signs that we are ready to respond, that nato is ready to respond. what about the sanctions? what is he afraid of? >> i think that the president has done all you can to unify europe on the sanctions. i think the sanctions, what we've learned from the past. they can't be distributed in
slowly. they can't just impact a few of putin's closest friends, the oligarchs. they have to be crippling sanctions which unfortunately impact the entire country. and we have to have that complete unanimity. it has to include the energy sector. we know the sacrifice that's involved there. but obviously, freedom isn't without cost and ukraine is so critical. this isn't just about ukraine. this is about all of eastern europe. as our pole friends know, the baltics and so many others. >> and ukraine is so important, obviously on a large scale but also at home. you represent such a large ukrainian american community and the ukrainian village in chicago. talk to me about what you're hearing from constituents. >> yeah. there have been several rallies and the events recently. i talked to them. it is extremely difficult to
share the concerns they have, the pain they have, talking to their relatives in ukraine. the fear of the presence. the extraordinary pride they show, the determination to show the rest of the world that ukrainian there's fight and defend them. they fought the russians for seven years. they signed the budapest memorandum and kept much of the world free from nuclear weapons. we obviously owe ukraine a great deal. it is tough. we need to show that we stand with our ukrainian friends, not just because of our heart but our brain. it is the smart thing to do. >> they gave up their nuclear weapons. that meant that they dismantled those dangerous weapons. the u.s. has no commitment to bring in strategic weapons.
can we negotiate with russia and the draft responses we're sending this week without making concessions that endanger ukraine? >> sure. but any negotiations when you talk about arms control and nukes, that's all fine and it is fair game and i would like to be at the table. it's important. it clearly doesn't come at the barrel of a gun. when you flank ukraine on three sides, you know, in 2008 you invaded georgia. and they've already invaded crimea and there's a war in the east already that exists in ukraine. if putin is serious about this, it is time to withdraw. come to the table and talk about how to reasonably come to terms with any threat you might feel that exist. i think the opposite has to happen if he continues his actions now. i'll add one more thing.
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