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comforting in boston and they were ready to do business. they were ready to do civil war which is what this fellow was talking about. >> and you know we'll talk about the actual statutes in a second. you tell us a little bit more about this you read the statue. it's such a tight fit legally on the fact pattern it's such a tight fit to what they did and what sedition is. if this were a law exam question, you can write it and you can attach the actions to the statues in about >> well, federal prosecutors filed new charges against 11 members of one of the groups of playing essential roles of the january 6th attack of the u.s. capitol. as pete williams reports,
investigators say they were planning for even more violence after the siege. >> reporter: the most high profile t charges, the leader o the far right oath keepers accused of conspireing ten other members in the group tod carry out g acts of violence to stop congress from formally counting the electoral college vote for the president. they're charged with the crime of seditious conspiracy. >> an unusual federal charge is not often brought is even more serious. >> reporter: rowes reached out with this encrypted message. we are not getting through this without a civil n war. we needth to make those senator very uncomfortable with all of us being a few hundred feet away. the fbi says one of the oath
keepers drove around the u.s. capitol on a mission. january 6th the government says rioters began breaking through police lines, the nation's founder stormed the governor's mansion in massachusetts. oath m keepers began working thr way in the capitol in two groups, lined up in formation. in the hours after the riot, he met with his team to plan further riots. he spent more than 17,000 buying weapons and ammunition. onan inauguration day, he messad after this if something happens, it's civil war 2.0. >> in addition to blowing up the idea of this was not an attempted insurrection, it blows up the arguments we heard from a lot of corners in the media and members of congress who's saying
this is a ordinary day, one day in january. the planning that was in this indictment is astounding. they're talking about quick reaction force outside the city. they're talking about marching in stack formation and using military terminology and amassing weapons to do something of the 2020 presidential election. >> absolutely. and as joe was saying, it fits this seditious conspiracy statute. if two or more person by force or events of delaying the execution of any laws of the united states or by a force to seize or take any property like the capitol. it fits like a glove. they were trying to delay and stop hinder whatever we want to use theop execution of the 12th
and 20th amendments of the united states. all which design to guarantee the peaceful of transfer of power. it'str overthrowing the constitution. statute goes to several things that are seditious. it goes down to not only constitutional acts. they actually came in like about as hot as you can count on statutes. george, i am just curious, i am an alabama graduate, i am curious where did this stewart rods, where did he go in law school? >> i don't know what to say to him and all his -- >> collect all six. >> jonathan lemire.
it's crazy that the people have been most craven to donald trump and brought forward the dumbest arguments. >> corrupt. >> comes from some of the best institutions not only in this country but in the world. jonathan lemire talk if you will about how this shatter the argument of donald trump and his hacks on television in the media on capitol hill saying oh, this is much adieu about nothing. this was a bunch of tourists going around and we see this lays out in chapters, this was sedition in america and something that's obvious. now we have the indictments and we have clear evidence that it does line upea with the statute that george does read sedition against the united states of america.
>> let's remember theth talking point of this. i remember trump's allies saying oh, it was antifas, know, it was oath keepers. there is been a whitewashing to down play what happened that day for more than a year from the formal president who uses the word insurrection to describe what happened on november 3rd of election week. he and his allies saying no it wasie a protest and tourist vis. it got out of hand. that's not theot case. as what we saw unveiled in this indictment, this is extraordinary serious charge and it's oath keepers, the supporters of the former he and his d organization rose and grew in stature and prominence, felt like they could move out of the shadow and thanksut to the licee given this them by the former president and we remember his comments to the proud boys
telling him to standby which many including federal law enforcement took as a possible cue to say to get ready for action and we know on january 5th, 2021, the president suggesting the next day would be wild and he gave his remarks to help incite that violence. it was only described as one of the darkest days of our nation in history. >> the house investigating the january 6th attack issued new rounds of subpoenas to four biggest social media companies, inadequate responses to prooefr previous requests. committee chair bennett is seeking more documents of facebook, twitter, reddit and google. the committee is looking through the roles of the spread of mixed information and violence extremism leading up to last
year'sm attack. katty, this part should be interesting and easy to follow. some ofea these things disappea after a certain time. >> we know they documented in realtime in social media during the event. the evidence is all there how theyce conspire together to do what they did. it took glee in showing other people before and during and after they wereor posting posts about how successful they felt they had beene in their attackf the capitol. i thought if they can get all of that evidence from those social media companies, that would tell an interesting tale. one question i have for you on the charges against the oath keepers, the sedition charges, where does this then connect the
trump's inner circle and potentially members of congress? this is now proven and charges intent. >> i doubt it's going to be the same conspiracy charges that rolls in. there could be links. one of theer things that the oa keepers wereat saying they were doing in washington on january 6th other than they deny they were doing anything bad on capitol hill is they were providing security for roger stone. i imagine, i can't imagine roger stone did not have communications with these people at the willard hotel or president trump. that's one possible factual connection. the other point is p this would not have happened without donald trump. none of this would happen without donald trump. these people are saying we got these arms stored in a hotel
in boston because the president may call us out. he declared in november that the election was stolen. they started saying the election was stolen. it would not have happened without him. their intent and his intent was absolutely thent same. everything they did was we need to stop what happened on january 6th which is an election of the president. >> willie, kevin marthy defending his decision not to cooperate with the january 6th investigation. mccarthy claimed he has no information to provide the committee about his phone call with former president trump. the one that took place during the attack on the 6th. mccarthy was pressed about these comments in the days following the attack when he blamed trump for what happened that day. >> a year ago on january 13th,
you said the president bears responsibility for the mob, you said he should immediately denounce the mob and a few days after that you went down to visit the president in mar-a-lago, whatpr changed? what you said on the floor criticizing him -- >>iz criticism went to everyonen that day. why wason the capitol so ill-prepared for this? how do you make sure they'll never be ill prepared again? >> it's really amazing. it's like thesely guys are operating from 1907 where they don't think we have video tapes. we just roll the tape and we got
oh, kevin and then lindsey. i am done with him and they act like that tape never happened. >> that's terrible. >> two weeks after that he made the speech and he was down at mar-a-lago. we know onwa the 6th because ken mccarthy confirmed this and described the conversation as he did that he was on the phone with president trump yelling at him and getting yelled back at to stop what was happening at the united states capitol and former president trump infamously said it looks like my supporters are at the capitol now and cared more about this election thanca you do. they had a big fight on the phone. heey knows f how bad the day wad he said the president bares responsibility and two weeks he turned and flown down to mar-a-lago and flipped completely. >>nd you are like that dude in
"momento," writing memos trying to remember what happened. "morning joe" is a public service to you and those of you of short term memory loss, we provide you this clip of yourself. >> the president bares responsibility for wednesday's attack. he should have denounced the mob when heou saw what's unfolding. quell the brewing unrest and ensurest president-elect biden ail to successfully begin his term. the greatest statesman in the history of our country understood that the most dangerous threat to freedom is lawlessness. a young lawyer name abraham lincoln famously said there is no grievance that's readdress by
mob law. for several hours, mob law tried to interfere with constitutional law. some say the riots were caused by antifa. there is absolutely no evidence of that. andde conservatives should be t first to say so. >> a year ago today on january 13th, you said on the house floor that the president bares responsibility on the attack on congress and he should have immediately h denounced the mob. do you standby that comment and a few days after that, you went down to visit the president in mar-a-lago, what changed? why did you make that trip? >> what changed? why did i make the trip? >> what you said on the floor criticizing him. >> my criticism went to everyone on that day? why was theev capitol so
ill-prepared on that day? why was the capitol so ill-prepared on that day and how do youep make sure it will neve be ill prepared again? >> again in case anybody particularly is slow this morning, it's friday. it's been a long week. hey, we are all tired. i understand. if you are keeping scores at home. my criticism was for everyone. one more time -- let's play it. the president bares responsibility for wednesday's attack for mob rioters. he should have denounced the mob. >> it's obvious he's not the sharpest tool. >> or a liar. >> or anisha.
>> we see this many times again. mccarthy yelled at donald trump and bragged about it to other members of congress after e had done it, recounted what donald trump said. here you have poor kev yesterday oh, i was talking about yesterday. he blamed donald trump for mob rule taking over constitution. >> absolutely. the criminal law aspect of it of questions of trump's intent. he sat there in his private dining room by the oval office watching this for hours while people were pleading with him including his daughter and chief of staff and probably people calling him on the phone to say something and do something and stop it. we hear that he was watching it
with glee. he wanted this to happen. heo wanted anything to happen that would stop delay and hinder the execution of the laws of the united states that were transfer power into biden. that was some ofth the most telling w pieces of evidence th we have. >> and george, you can hear it on closing arguments against the president. he seems to get away with everything. you almost hear a closing argument of the president being apart of this sedition sitting there watching gleefully and wanting the riot to go on and the prosecution tells the jury and they finally dragged him out hours later to give a recorded message to stop the rioters and stop the seditionists and the first take you would not say it. they made him w do it again. he makes the second take to the rioters. still won't tell them to stop.
it takes them three times after an afternoon of bloodshed, after an afternoon of police being savaged by rioters. sedition is trying to commit insurrection against the united states for the president of the united states to finally compliment them but then say go home. >> it takes three takes. they didn't trust him to do it live. they didn't trust him to do it live because they afraid of what he would say so they threw out two takes and they got semi right. those were preserved documents and produced by the committee by national archives. when those videos come out, i bet you it's going to be something. >> a lot of people are talking especially from the vice president's office, we are
hearing a lot of people around trump, a lot of white house officials were talking to this committee. people who have things to say what happened on that day. that's why we are not hearing and only a limited number of people have been subjected to contempt proceedings. so a loto goes on behind the scene. >> what's theon timeline of tryg to compel people to testify et cetera and et cetera because there is the concern of the different dynamics and even the political one that this drags out and republicans almost used it and calling it some sort of an attack in our democracy that needs o to be investigated and there needs to be accountability for it. what's the timeline in terms of the legal system to sort of get to something substantial here so these dots can be connected? >> they're making an incredible amount of progress.
they said they conducted hundreds of interviews and collected tons of documents from national archives and elsewhere and people are coming into talk to them. i thinkg the answer is it's gog to take a while to bring the contempt proceedings against bannonce or trying those case a meadows. >> when will we hear from meadows?ow >> we may not. the point is does he want to go to jailin and these other peopl do they want to go to jail. they can't stop it, they're going to end up going. that's where they end up if they don'ty cooperate. it's an open and shut case. that's why they're getting a lot of cooperations and the fact the matter is, they're making clear to the public that they know a lot and you should come in now and talk to us and get your side of the story in. >> so it's like a bob woodward
book. >> yes. >> george conway, thank you very much for coming in. >> you are the best. still ahead on "morning joe," djokovic loses his visa for a second time and this latest decision could ban him from austria for a few years. plus, the supreme court strikes down aus big part of president biden's plan to get more americans vaccinated. the white house did get a small win from the justices. also, ahead the president meets for the two senate democrats standing in the way of voting rights legislation ahead of an important vote next week. our new york city schools returning to remote learning. the latest on the talks between mayor eric adams and the teachers union. you are watching "morning joe," we'll be right back. you are watching "morning joe," you are watching "morning joe," we'll be right back. the cost of inaction increases.
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novak djokovic is facing deportation. the administer announced this morning, cancelled visa held on good grounds on the basis was on the public's interest to do so. all non australian arrival must be vaccinated in the country. lawyers for djokovic is expected to appear in court the first time his visa was cancelled last week. djokovic may be unable to rply for an australian visa for three careers. mike, it's good to' you.
austria has been as lockdown in the country. the people in that country are frustrated and when they see favors being given to someone who's not being vaccinated to come into the country just because they are famous and looking for a 21st grand slam title, that's going to cause an out roar. is he going to play in the tournament at the end of the day? >> i don't think he is. he kept on telling me this story is not over yet. it was not going to be over until the immigration minister, alex hoch weigh in on this and he did last night. this has been a murky timeline from the start. he seems to forget he been to spain before he showed up and austria and tried to blame it on the agent. the agent ate think visa. you know what really happen to an entire international sports star, somebody is saying no for
the time being and at least until he finds another judge. he found one. it's really sketchy that he may get this worked out before he plays his first round match. i tweeted out, if this guy had any respect for a tournament he's won nine times and any grace, he would go to airport and go home because he's making a mockery of his favorite major tennis tournament. >> the context here is he's tied for the most majors in tennis history with two other guys, nadal, he would have the most of all time right now. he lied on his travel document and blamed it on his support team and basically said you
know basically said i fail and i was breathing all over people. >> what's it is argument to allow him to stay. that's what a lot of australians are feeling right now. >> from the start when you heard he was getting a medical exemptions and you heard all the stories of australians having to quarantine for two weeks when they got back. he thought the positive test he conveniently came up with in december was going to be a get out of jail free card. it turns out to be not. listen, this story had a lot of twists and turns. i don't think he's going to play. i don't think he deserves to play. willie, last september, i wrote
the people could cheer for him when he was going for the grand slam because he was a champion, i am tired of him. i am tired of rooting for this guy. you know who said the most sensible thing about this. rafael nadal. actions have consequences. well, now consequences may be he does not win his 21st major the next couple of weeks. >> hey, mike, good morning, it's jonathan lemire, willie kind of hit it here where a lot of this is about a historical context. nadal is up and down and federer is injured and may not play. how is djokovic greeted when he goes to wimbledon and at the u.s. open. he's not quite as beloved as
nadal and federer, how is he going to be remembered because what has happened in austria? >> he has done damage to his legacy. this guy desperately wants to be loved and he ought to know actions got consequences. there was no wiggle room. you can see he pleas his case that day, the law held in that case. he may find another judge. it sounds like a mob movie of some kind but i don't think he'll get in. he does not deserve to get to play. >> michael, thank you very much for being with us. your new novel "the horse woman," you guys are selling books like crazy, man.
you need to give a ted talk on how to sell books. >> joe and mika, jim desperately wanted to come on today to talk about djokovic but he sent me out instead. >> we would have liked to see him too. we love you mike, thank you so much for coming on. congratulations on the book. covid also is looming over the 2022 winter olympics which opens exactly three weeks from today in beijing. joining us now from beijing is janice mackey-frayer. >> reporter: today down in the south, there were areas sealed off in order to do mass testing all of one confirmed test. there are more than 20 million people who are locked down across china and big cities.
allover these clusters of infections that would go unnoticed in cities in most parts of the world. here are proving a test of china's zero covid strategy. there is as woman posting video diaries, she went on a blind date with a guy and the neighborhood got shut around her and she's stuck there ever since. that encapsulates of the worries for the people here is of the spread of the virus and more of how easily restrictions can get trigger here. you need a negative covid test to leave beijing and to come back. if you happen to go unlucky enough to go to a place of two or three cases, you run in the risk of being stuck there. thousands of officials who are
now coming into the country for the olympics, this is a country that's effectively closed for much of the past two years. and the play book here in terms of zero covid strategy has not changed since wuhan. they're still controlling the virus by controlling the people or their ability to move that's why we are likely to see more restrictions and more lockdowns as we get closer to the games. >> nbc janice mackey frayer in beijing. thank you for that report. coming up, queen elizabeth strips queen andrews of his ties. >> andrew is her favorite, right? >> according to the crown, he's her favorite. i don't know anyone have proved historically he's her favorite child. >> not now. >> this move came just a day after a judge ruled that a civil lawsuit against him can proceed, we'll that full report.
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saying they are deeply relieved by governor newsom's decision by denying sirhan's parole. >> i don't know why the board would agree -- not only he took the father away from 11 children and the wife. ed luce, the violence committed against the american people. you can look back at history. you can look at america before and after that day and that assassination still hunts us
today and as june 6th, 1968. >> it's a new story my mother is absorbing and talked about a lot. it's hard to think that this could change the trajectory of america's history. an assassination of a significant one. i don't think parole should be considered at any point before this guy dies. >> jfk's assassination changed america. and i think bobby really changed the democratic party significantly because he was a man who was extremely successful at reaching out to both working class whites and working class blacks. after he died, we saw the rise of george wallace, a lot of people supported bobby for some
explicable reasons, reasons that the family still tries to find today. a move that bobby kennedy's assassination unfortunately precipitated and so again when somebody commits such an act of violence against the political system against this country, no parole, not this year and not ever. >> prison until death is entirely appropriate. >> have you ever call him? america nagging echo to the '70s. tell us about that. >> it's concerning with rising inflation with the homicide numbers we have seen this year. and the sense of drift, i think
carter probably had an envy -- he had super majority for the first half of his presidency in the house and the senate. he didn't face a challenge to democracy the biden is facing and sinema and manchin holding the whip handle or the supreme court to knock down the bulk of his agenda. the general sense of drift, the sense that we have a president that's not master of his destiny and inflation and crime which is stuff that presidents have very little ability to influence to sway is i think is an uncomfortable parallel with the late '70s and differences of course reagan weighing in the wings is not donald trump. the consequences of biden not
succeeding so much more is existential. >> jonathan lemire, you do have crimes in the background and problems passing bbb and yesterday a couple more blows to his agenda from the one from the supreme court and of course the other from sinema who of course i was taken to task yesterday. yesterday was sinema who showed absolutely no -- what's the best way to put this? no grace in basically killing biden's agenda as it came to voting rights as the president is preparing to come to the hill. >> the motorcade was warming up outside the white house for that
trip up in pennsylvania aver new when sinema stepped on the senate floor. we heard the same from senator manchin and privately. sinema to do so in such a public way to step foot in that building to address her and her colleagues was met less not so well let's just say in the white house and a lot of anger. the way it was done really angered people. yesterday it was a tough day for president biden, they put a lot of capital into voting rights right now and much is perhaps of messaging and showing the base they hear them. it sure seems like it's not going anywhere and same with the vaccine mandate.
the white house was pleased about that and striking down the businessman date was a key tool here. that's a defeat too and i guess to ed luce's point about the 1970s, jimmy carter made some ways of his speech. kamala harris used the same word in an interview which sent a lot of alarm bells. that's one of the words you don't say. the white house says we still got a year almost in midterms and we can turn it around, it's a low moment. >> you know katty for the 1 million times yesterday, sinema said she will not change her mind and majority schumer says we'll get back on this on tuesday and we are not going to take a break for martin luther
king's week and everybody is going to come back and not just republicans but democrats. why are we stringing this along and it's not going anywhere and why are we expoing ourselves to this conversation where we are going to lose in the end. they all agree on that. if they don't have the votes, they don't have the votes. what's the end game at this point? >> i had a conversation with a white house official before christmas who said we don't know when build back better bill may pass but the thing is even when we pass that, they're assuming we would, we go straight into voting rights. they were dreading all of this even a month ago. they knew back then manchin and sinema were not going to be budged on the filibuster. you are right, the signals have been there all along. manchin and sinema have been clear on where they stand on this and you can disagree with
them as much as you want. the interesting line in joe biden's speech down in georgia was when he said i have been having conversations with democrats and republicans. that led to some people to hope that there may be something that came from those conversations. sinema made it clear there was not. they spent the last week bashing sinema and manchin, now they want to get their votes again if they want to pass the agenda. >> you look back to the trump administration with donald trump bashing mitch mcconnell for not getting rid of the filibuster. the things that donald trump would pass if he only needed 50 votes. democrats need to take a deep breath and they need to list that. that could happen again in 2024 and getting rid of the filibuster completely would be devastating for democrats as well for republicans, with that said, don't get rid of the filibuster, just do over voting
rights what you did for the debt ceiling two weeks ago. >> don't get rid of the filibuster and do what you did for the debt ceiling two weeks ago. they have no answer to it. they get around the 60 votes around when ever the hell they want. they got people saying it's not just sinema and imagine saying oh no, we can't get rid of the 60 votes requirement. only people are saying this when they show us they can do it a couple of weeks ago is laughable. >> it is. what you need to do is either suspend it. go back to whatever it was before 1975 requiring the minority to be present and voting. they got to be there around the
clock. >> when are they doing that? >> it's an obvious thing in response to senator manchin saying this is a tradition. this particular version back in 1975, polarization got more extreme and go back to what it was before '75 and tell manchin, we hear you and we believe in america's political traditions. this is a much longer standing. >> manchin talked about filibuster. willie, so interesting, we said for months ta chuck schumer should force the hands of ted cruz and those that were blocking -- okay, you are not
going to let it pass by unanimous consent, you are going to make us debate it for two hours. okay. we'll do that going into christmas vacation. well, they did it and what happened? viola. we had 41 ambassadors and state department officials passed very quickly. i don't understand why they won't do this on the filibuster because the one thing i found was when we needed things done, i say we, a small group of republicans that were pushing a little harder for balance budget for people. we just vote down the rules with fiver days left before the break. magical things happen. >> yeah, people don't want to give up their vacation in that town but it's not clear if that happens by bringing everybody back next week. the point you made is the right one and the important which is
joe manchin and sinema. if all he needs or she needs is 50 votes. bring them back to do what you are talking about right now is a possibility, a single carve out but they're not going to get suddenly causing joe manchin some time down in west virginia. he has held and been clear about for years and again has said just this week i am not changing the rules let's figure out another way out on this. >> all right, ed luce, thank you very much. >> great piece. >> it's not an all or nothing piece. >> when senator realize that you got a majority leader that's going to keep them in session for six months, suddenly people talk. >> bingo. >> okay, we can't deal with hr-1. it's crazy and federalizes too much and it goes against the constitution and it gives power to the state.
let's look at parts of the john lewis' voting rights. these are things that happen when members have not slept in weeks and they're not going to get back to their home democratics possibdistrict possibly for months. they want to get the hell out of there. they say exhaustion is the sleep deprivation for most. >> oh dear. >> okay, ed luce, thank you. still ahead, senaor lindsey graham news new warning to mitch mcconnell. get on board with donald trump or get out. "morning joe" is coming back. that's not going to help. orningk orningk that's not going to help
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my point of view has been much of the president. today first thing you will see, all i can say is count me out, enough is enough. >> do you want to be a republican leader in the house or t senate, you have to have a working relationship with president donald trump. he's the most consequential president. i think he'll get reelected in 2024. i am not going to vote for anybody unless they can prove to me that they can advocate -- if you can't do that you will fail. >> that's whack-a doodle doo. >> what a beautiful shot of the
capitol. it's purple sky. gorgeous. >> beautiful shot of capitol hill in washington, d.c. welcome back to "morning joe," it's friday. we are still trying to figure out lindsey graham. >> what was the ultimatum. >> the former president who lost and tried to steal the election, why do we need to get -- >> we had kevin mccarthy saying donald trump was to blame for the insurrection. >> one year ago. >> mob violence replaced constitutional order and it was donald trump's fault and it was the greatest threat to americans freedom and of course. i never said that. and lindsey graham, i hated to end this way, count me out. enough is enough. >> wow.
>> now we are saying if mitch mcconnell is insufficiently loyal to donald trump, he's out. i mean this really is beautiful. it's just, it's worldly. i love looking at it because it's so bizarre. it's like from a movie. these guys are out of their minds. may i say and have absolutely no shame. >> no shame, no courage, no nothing from them. you joked about this but it's true. on january 6th, those men knew what happened and they were there and in the building and witnessed it and they said what was obvious to everyone. this is a terrible day and president trump bears responsibility for it. two days later, lindsey graham at the airport in washington, d.c. and he was swarmed by trump supporters who called him a traitor. you turned on donald trump
because you would not vote which joe biden won. i guess this was not obvious to trump's supporters and republicans and support us as it was to us. how bad this day was. we better run scare from these people and they flip completely and that's what we talked about last hour. he still had his back and take a picture to signal to his republican supporters. despite what i have said five minutes ago, i am again with president trump. there was a moment they could have walked away from donald trump. they heard from a group of people from the airport and their courage dissolved. >> this is a bumper sticker, no shame, no courage and no nothing. you have coined a phrase that i have been using for a long time. lindsey is fascinating and i
have known lindsey for a long time. we are different in this respect, you had four people in the hound dog following him at the airport for minutes and completely changed his mind. people follow me at the airport and it does not end well. >> most men and women would behave that way. people harassing me at the airport. no, you don't want to do that. my god. don't do that to her. things get ugly very fast. lindsey gets intimidated by four people and a hound dog and suddenly he freaks out and his grand declaration on the senate floor, sort of burns away the mists. >> how do you not get your backup in that sort of
situation. number two, lindsey always goes too far. it's not just baring responsibilities. i am out of here, i am done with this. >> on video. >> and then he flips and now if you don't worship of the feet of donald trump, you know, i will never support you for it. >> that's cult. >> it's incredible. >> lindsey taken a stance on something that was unpopular. he took a stance for john mccain. that was unpopular to his party, he did stand up to republicans in the bush years. you have to have john mccain with him. it seems keeping him solid. >> he moved from being who he
was in the house of representatives and going over to the senate and attaching himself to john mccain. john mccain was his great protector. what a great protector to have if you were going to pick somebody. thank god he picked john mccain. and donald trump gets elected after he insulted him day in and day out on the presidential campaign and saying the worst things in the world and suddenly he gets elected and lindsey just moves over. mccain just shaking his head saying he does not recognize him. >> that's really sad. so stewart rogues was charged of seditious conspiracy. he faces the charges along ten others as the highest ranking
members of extremist group indicted for attack. the yale educated lawyer, i am going to say it again. >> most people would say he looks like a yale man from texas. he did not enter the capitol on january 6th but is accused to help organizing the riot. according to statute, seditious conspiracy occurs when two or more people in the u.s. conspired to overthrow, put down or destroy the government by force. the indictment oath keepers discussed for weeks trying to overturn the election results and prepared for a siege by purchasing weapons and setting up battle plans. the indictment alleges, the group formed two teams entering the capitol, one going after lawmakers and the others confronting others in the
rotunda. if convicted, the penalty is 20 years in prison. and attorney for rogues told nbc news, prosecutors have not shown any new evidence to backup a seditious conspiracy charge. they seem to have the ability to connect the dots, willie? >> let's bring in the reporter who studies the oath keepers, ben collins is with us now. good morning, it's good to see you. we talk about this a bunch. you saw a lot of this coming because of the world you live in online. you talked on january 5th of last year with your colleagues that you were worried of what was going to happen on january 6th and unfortunately you were right. so much of this is out in the open. this despite spells out that the oath keepers, this was not some fantasy that they have a quick response team to position around the city to move into carry out
the attack at the capitol. what else did we learn and did anything surprise you? >> we have learned a whole lot. the big talking point on the right of january 6th, where were the guns? these people were into guns, where were they? they were in a hotel room, at a comfort inn. these people believe there is going to be a second wave in the middle of the night and they were going to ferry guns in across the plotomac, they had it all mapped out. they were closed off for some reasons. you can take the votes that we have. we learned so much in this indictment of how planned this was and they were expecting a
second wave. that was confirmed in the indictment. this blows up all the minimiing of the day that we heard from not just oath keepers and media personalities but members of congress who say a day in january, one day in january. so i guess the question, ben, as you read this chilling indictment why didn't these next steps happen? they breached the capitol, where were the people with guns, thank god they did not come and make it in. what stopped them? >> probably the national guard which i don't think they expected to be activated. but it took as you remember took hours for the president to say yes to this. it's still one of the remaining mysteries as to why it took so long. i don't think it's anticipated that they would be activated. they thought they would hold the capitol. there were a lot of people there. i don't think they anticipated all the qanon people would
should would show up and miraging through the hall and just get in the way. these people kind of got in the way of larger plans by oath keepers and affiliated mill that that -- militia groups. they were geared up and had walkie-talkies. they were ready to make it happen. >> good morning, ben, it's certainly chilling details of what could have happened a year or so ago. give us an update of the leader of the oath keepers now seeing a lot of trouble. where do things stand with the organization? we heard how many warnings of how violence become apart of this. are the oath keepers still a
threat? >> they are absolutely still a threat. it depends on the leadership structure. a lot of people think rhodes is as fed internally. if you get caught, he was caught before the 6th. so these groups are sort of largely headless but larger than ever in telegram in part because their recruiting efforts have been larger than ever. they shifted locally and shifted to local elections and local school boards and health boards. we have talked about it a lot about how they're trying to impact legislation and impacting school boards and curriculums as well. they have been lying low in the last year but they have been arming up.
the violent rhetoric is just as loud as ever. >> ben, this is gene robinson. are there other organized groups that are being looked at in the same context perhaps of the guilty seditious conspiracy, perhaps dangerous in the future, who else are they keeping an eye on? >> i would be shock that the proud boys are not looked at. they are just as organized that day. they kind of had their head cut-off. they were still there wearing uniform outfits the morning of and the day of and there were communication with people. i would be surprised if that group is not specifically looked at. this is all decentralized and it
was planned and openly on the internet. a lot of this stuff rang true because we have seen it beforehand on the open web, on the website called "the donald" which was part of reddit. i would be surprise this is the end of it in terms of militia in january 6th. there are militias popping up throughout the united states more focus on white nationalism and some are more focused on vague end goals that really have to do with donald trump. >> ben collins, thank you so much for your reporting. now we have an update on schools amid the current wave of covid-19 infections. eric adams is considering a virtual learning plan for public schools as the city sees a spike in omicron cases. adam says at a news conference, he believes the safest place for children is back in school and acknowledge attendance issues
according of education numbers as of wednesday democratic wide attendance was just 76%. adams' announcement is a bit of reversal from his pledge last week to keep children in schools. we'll be talking more about that. coming up. this is a big issue for new york and major cities where children really need to go to school. >> that's the goal. the goal is obviously, the goals of mayor adams at the beginning. omicron, the numbers are just insane. they keep exploding. he knows and others know. we got a couple more weeks and if what we are seeing in britain and south africa is playing out. we got a couple more weeks. if he does have to send the kids home, it's not like you have to do it for a month or two. we have to get through this final wave. >> yeah.
>> this wave is pretty overwhelming. we are keeping this school open and he may has to rethink that just because of the sheer numbers. think of this omicron wave is just a sheer number. they are overwhelming and once get a whole bunch of teachers and students have to sit out. hopefully, if the experience of other country is repeated here, it's going to subside as quickly as it rose. >> brief. >> much better situation. jonathan lemire, it's important to note what he's talking about is giving the option of students learning from home which i think is going to be a little tougher on teachers and administrators to figure out how to do this but they had a dry run about a year
and a half before. if kids need to take classes from home at least they'll have that action for omicron runs the scores. >> adam and bill de blasio wanted to keep class in schools. there are kids who cannot come in and parents worried about kids coming home bringing home the parents with grandparents living with them. the mayor is talking to the union and education department is creating a remote option on top of those, those who can and wants to go to school should. this way kids who cannot can keep up their learning and at least through this waver. >> we had a dry run on this. teachers know how to do hybrid. they don't love it but they know how to do it. we hope omicron subsides and
that's it. i have had a couple of conversations with epidemiologists who says there is a risk that omicron subsides and we get another variant in a month or two. and infection to omicron you re. we just have to think how we are going to deal with it in a longer run. >> we have and we have been saying it, we have to learn to live with this. we have to learn to keep restaurants open and keep small businesses open. we have to keep schools open. it's not easy but we have to learn until everybody is vaccinated and we have a vaccination again that does whatever the variant is. takes care of that variant and even obviously with omicron, you
have breakthrough cases. you get news of a new variant coming and i start getting e-mails. oh, there is another one. oh my god. it's called -- it's called science. it's biology. this is what happens, this is not done in the government's lab like omicron and something else. we got to beat this is and we have beaten polio and smallpox. >> it calls people getting vaccinated. >> we do learn something from europe. we see what's happening in the u.k., they have a higher vaccination rate than we do. the problem with the united states that makes it different from the european country is high number of people have not gotten vaccinated. >> still ahead on "morning joe," today the house shows where it stands. we won't shrink from protecting our democracy and the voting rights of all americans.
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that success and happiness all depends on a certain degree of confidence being built. thank you for joining me on the podcast. >> you two had a good time. >> i was right at the beginning of covid so i was feeling a little sick and it flew by. so much fun. >> katty on covid is a special thing. >> you talked about the long runway and women over 50 have. what's so exciting about this is it's sort of for women. you got women who are so well established over 50. they are coming together and the mentorship and the exchanging ideas and the amazing speakers are building up. >> i think you are helping younger women who are in such a hurry to realize they still have time. >> your career does not have to go like this.
>> sometimes you can slow it down and sometimes you can dial it up and it's super helpful and especially having kids. >> it's a complete diversion of having it all and trying to rush. we discovered there is this incredible array of women who have emerged in the past generation who are making it happen at 50, 60 and 70 and even 90. there are women in our list over 90s doing something amazing and it's a message for our young women. slow down. >> enjoy your kids. enjoy it. >> let's get back to news now. i am excited. thank you for the time. >> for great reasons. the white house decide on voting rights after facing serious setbacks on infrastructure. now as peter alexander reports. that too is facing so much oppositions that even president biden admits compromise may be out of reach. >> reporter: president biden on
a hill, signaling surrender now on his push for voting rights legislation. >> i don't know if we'll get it done. i know one thing, as long as i have a breath in me, as long as i am in the white house and as long as i am engaged, i am going to be fighting. >> reporter: moderate sinema took to the senate floor reiterating her opposition to change senate rules would allow democrats to pass the vote rights bill on their own rg arguing the filibuster promotes bipartisanship. >> while i will continue to support these bills, i will not support the separate actions that worsens the underlying disease that affecting our country. >> i wish there had been a serious effort on the part of democratic leaders to sit down
with the other party and genuinely discuss how to reforge common grounds on these issues. >> reporter: leading democrats countered that saying they tried to get republicans on board for months. the other moderate hold out, joe manchin praised sinema. >> completely bad faith, what total bad faith for sinema to say oh, we should have talked more to the other party with sinema. sinema would not talk to anybody. she runs into elevators -- she does not talk through anything. these people on the hill may not be thrilled with manchin but joe tells them where he stands and where he has been all along. >> sinema respects him but for sinema to say we have not talked enough to the other side is the
height of -- >> and making this grandiose announcement of president biden on his way to the hill to talk, your president is just beyond the pail. i mean -- >> she didn't want to talk to biden. she's going to talk to the president of the united states but she wanted to go on the floor and talk about again leaders not talking when she just sat there and during the meeting with senate democrats, she spent the time looking at her phone. let's bring in the chief strategist dedicated to a new politics of problem solving. he has new data of voter turn out in the 2020 election and what it could mean for future contest.
ryan, thank you so much. walk us through the data. you like ratner have choices. >> walk us through. >> if you think about president biden's speech this week, he was talking about voter suppression is the biggest problem in democracy. if you heard president trump and any point over the last year is voter fraud is the biggest threat to a democracy. the thing is minority of those things are true. you take a look at here, this is 2020, you are looking at voter turn out and look at the rapid increase among every age race, gender, everybody voted more in 2020. if you are seeing rapid voter suppression in america, you would not be looking at a chart like this. >> asian voters and plus 10 and white voters and hispanic voters, 6 pbt .1, 18 to 40 and a
lot of younger voters. that's a healthy number. almost 4% point. women up 5.1%. i will say ryan, we heard attacks from both sides about the voting process and yet one thing we know if we look at the numbers, the voter participation was way up in 2020 and trump's own person says this was the safest and most secure election in american history. >> even if you look at the discrepancy between different ratio groups, that could be explained by the fact that white voters are just a lot older and they vote more. that more than anything is why you see it.
11.3 million black voters and 4.6 million asian voters and latino voters, 14.3. if we get 75 million votes, we are going to win. no. no, you are not. >> more americans participating before. there are millions of people who did not vote and really the game enlarging ing electorates and bringing new voters in. i think both parties better be working hard to try to do it again in '22 and '24 and we are
in ahmad term elections. you got this pool of non voters and if you can bring them out and you can do anything. >> let's use this for context of what's happening. this legislation they're going to continue to fight over next week, probably to know end unless there is some kind of miracles to pull off. we have been talking is protecting the right to vote is critically important. what about the back end of what led to january 6th of the way the coats are counted. neither of these pieces of legislation really gets out of that problem. do they? >> willie, you just hit these voting bills that are in front of congress right now had nothing to do with preventing january 6th. there is this switch happening where you hear people say january 6th was this terrible
shameful act and it was therefore, we have to pass these voting bills. january 6th was all about this ambiguity. >> this voting rights legislation in congress as you saw earlier is going nowhere. focus on the things that would protect democracy and showing up questions on -- >> jonathan, the first challenge is the electoral count act of 1887 which is not addressed by these two legislations. that needs to be updated so mike
pence, future vice president won't be put in that position. that's a first part of it and the second part is what we have been talking about for months now. the part of these states legislative efforts to strip the rise of secretary of states of local officials to actually count to certify those votes. no, we didn't like it and even republican secretaries of state would not help. we are going to take over the process. is it bizarre that these two issues which are the two most important are not everyone addressed hr-1 or hr-4. >> neither are that's why both bills are taking criticisms.
the data shows increase in voting in 2020 but what i think the president and a lot of democrats are saying what they are warning about with things that are happening since 2020. republican state legislatures remove to restrict the vote based on donald trump's big lie. that's after the election. would that still be a threat that should be addressed? >> this is overblown. >> there are some things that are concerning like what joe mentioned there. so much is taking this extraordinary restrictions and returning to the baseline. if you look at the turn out and historically, we take a look at black voter turn out, it was never higher at any point in
2008 and 2012 when a lot of covid provisions are not in place. the last five elections is equal turnout among white and black voters. this is where the president talking as if it was 1964 in this country. if you look back at that chart of 1964, you see a huge discrepancy. you see voter suppression, it does nothing to bring the debate where it needs to be which is the more we talk about of every single issue. the further we get away from a solution like the one we need which is fixing this electoral count. >> what's interesting of the polls here is what i find interesting is 93 of trump supporters say it's easy to vote of 2020.
935% of biden voters saying it's easy to vote. the number of people voting is way up. and you have trump's own person saying it was the safest and cleanest election in american history. >> there are places where it's easier to vote than other places and there are also you know checked out figures that show, for example, black voters on average have to wait much longer to vote. it takes much longer to vote. >> 10 minutes or 40 minutes. >> not enough polling stations and voing booths. >> you look at texas, texas is taking away voting locations in areas where people of color
predominantly vote. >> that's a concrete issue. exactly. >> you don't fix just by fixing the electoral counties. you have to fix either at the local level or you pass federal standards that evens that out. these voting numbers were good. it's a great thing that black voters now vote roughly in the same percentages as white voters and in one election more. that does not prove that there are not disparities and there are disparities that need to be connected. >> yes, that's why it's so important and especially that john lewis, that gets passed because the supreme court basically says congress you got to help us out here.
again, we keep ongoing back at it for no excuse of republicans -- 15 years ago to none. >> key strategists, ryan klain, thank you so much. >> greatly appreciate it. coming up, a kid in the newsroom. carl bernstein takes us back to his early day of journalism. he joins us with his new memoir just ahead. before we go to break, willie, what do you have planned for sunday today? >> i got a conversation with goldi hawn, she's there to talk
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career in the 20 20th century. carl bernstein who joins us now with his new acclaimed memoir, "a kid in the newsroom: chasing history," i love it. >> when you read these reviews, it's extraordinary. by the time he's 40, he'll be referred to -- that's another book and story. it's a memoir that's not looking back at the glory days. it's you showing readers what it was really like, what journalism was like when you first got in the business and it's future
fascinating. >> this book is about me at 16 getting the best seat. i was with my classmate goldie hawn, we had the same drama teacher. she went further with the drama. but i was lucky enough to get a job as a copy boy at what was the greatest afternoon paper in america, the "washington evening star." he was mentored by the greaest journalists of my day. and everything that i know about reporting pretty much i learned in my age of 16 to 25. i had been at the paper for about four weeks when the head copy boy sent me out to burning tree country club to watch eisenhower play golf. i was supposed to bring back
pictures from a "star" photographer there and to my amazement, this is the first time i ever saw a president of the united states. i was led by the chief caddie to the putting green where dwight eisenhower is sinking putts, and i was about 12 feet from him. i looked at his hands and i could see the brown spots on his hands, and i made a note to myself of it. i got these amazing opportunities, this kid in the newsroom. >> and, gene, you also worked in that newsroom as an intern. >> i interned at "the star." carl, first of all, congratulations. as you know, i love the book. >> the book has your name on the back. there's a wonderful quote from eugene robinson about the book and partly because it's about my opportunity to cover the civil rights movement in its earliest days. >> exactly. >> including the voting rights act of 1965 that we're talking about today. >> there you go. >> exactly.
what a time to be there. i interned at "the star" in the summer of '72 and remember the atmosphere. kind of a mix between the front page and what newspapers are now, somewhere in the middle. but the incredible exhilaration of when the presses started and you just felt the excitement. you write, of course, that you got your job there because you were such a great typist. you had taken typing in high school with the girls, and you had learned to type 90 words a minute and that was extremely useful. but, you know, you could more than type, and you don't write much about this, but you could write. you were -- you have always been a beautiful writer. and i'm curious where exactly
that came from. >> also from "the washington star." you know from your experience there, especially 1972, i left in 1965, there were incredible writers on the staff. there were probably a dozen great writers starting with mary mcgrury. she was, again, one of my mentors. she won the pulitzer prize. maybe the greatest writer of the late 20th century and early 21st century in washington. she came to "the washington post" after "the star" folded. you might remember a guy named john -- and this was typical of "the star" -- john sherwood who plied the chesapeake bay on a boat that he owned and wrote about those who spoke elizabethan on the island. i've studied the writings and talked to them about writing.
i was not much of a stylist when i was still in high school taking a class of typing with the girls, but i learned to write. also, i learned to write on deadline, which you did, too. it's an afternoon paper. we had five editions a day to put out. i learned to write off the top of my head and dictate the story from a phone booth. i had gone to jack kennedy's press conferences to dictate -- you know, they give you a piece of paper with a transcript of jack kennedy's press conference that i would dictate back to the office when i was 16 and 17. and so everything was about words. and i watched these great white house reporters write rhapsodically off the top of their heads about what was going on with the president of the united states. >> carl, good morning. it's willie. congratulations on the book. >> hi, willie. it's great to be with everybody
again. >> isn't it? >> it's like a reunion this is fun. >> i know. we're happy to have you back. my dad, as you know, wrote for "the new york times" -- >> exactly. >> when i read through your book i have these visions, a couple time as a kid i would see him in the 1980s in a newsroom like you're describing, crackling with energy, some plumes of smoke over all the desks -- >> a lot of smoke. >> a lot of smoke. so i'm curious what you make, carl, of the way there's obviously still a lot of great investigative reporting in long fom stuff but the pace of journalism today, get your reporting up on twitter as soon as you have it. post three or four times a day where were you meeting a deadline at the end of the day. that's not enough for most reporters and most papers anymore. >> no, and what you're talking about is a scourge but it is not necessarily about the fact that the internet is there and there is this press to get things out so fast.
the real problem is laziness, that so many reporters today in these electronic news rooms don't use the old techniques. instead of using the internet as a tool to support the reporting, they stay in the office. they google for their stories. we need to get out, knock on doors. what's "all the president's men" really all about? it's how you get what bob woodward and i call the best attainable version of the truth. you're not going to get it sitting in the newsroom. you have to talk to sources at their homes at night when they're away from their jobs and the boss can pressure them into not saying anything. so the lesson of what i learned at "the star" this book is told from the point of view of this kid at about age 20 or 21 when i left "the star" and then went to "the post." it's not the old man looking back. it's about this kid that learns
all of these things about reporting, about people, about the sources he meets, getting to know these people. i mean, when i was 18 -- there's a lot of civil rights in the book. i grew up in jim crow washington, in a city i went to segregated public schools until brown vs. board of education. and covering civil rights one of the first things i did, unfortunately, was to meet with rita swarner while her husband was being searched for in mississippi and, of course, a few days after i met with her, his body and those of cheney and goodman were found under a levee in mississippi. that's the kind of thing that was going on in the country at the time. it's one of the reasons we had a voting rights act in 1965 and
the civil rights act of 1964. so this is a time in america, 100 years after the civil war, my years at the star bracket the civil war by 100 years afterwards, and that pall of the civil war cast itself over almost everything we did, and yet there is the joy of being this kid in the newsroom at a time that could not have been more exciting. >> the new book is "chasing history: a kid in the newsroom." do you think you could stick around for the top the hour? so much of this weaves into the news of the day. >> sure. >> stick around, still ahead a major development into the sprawling investigation of the january 6th capitol attack. the justice department hands down the most serious charges yet to members of the oath keepers. plus, donald trump has been actively endorsing more republicans running for office in michigan than perhaps any
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all right. welcome back to "morning joe." it's friday. it is friday, everybody. i repeat. january 14. jonathan lemire and katty kay are still with us along with veteran journalist carl bernstein. joining us now senior political correspondent for "the washington examiner" david drucker, the author of the book "in trump's shadow: the battle for 2024 and the future of the gop." and national security analyst michael schmidt, the author of the book "donald trump v. the united states." wow what a great panel. >> great panel.
carl, you know, i've heard not just from democrats but also from independence and republicans over the past couple of years as one investigation of donald trump goes by the wayside after another, one impeachment inquiry after another ends in acquittal, there's a sense of resignation that he's just above the law, that donald trump is going to get away with this. donald trump gets away with everything. the manhattan d.a., it will end in nothing. new york will end in nothing. trump is able to brush aside all of his contacts with russia by saying russian hoax where if you actually read marco rubio's intel report it's damning and basically says donald trump's contacts with russians and his administration's contacts were basically a clear and present danger to the united states of america, but none of that ever seems to matter. i'm wondering with the latest
indictment with insurrection charges, sedition charges being brought forward, with you starting to feel like justice may be served in the end after all? >> i don't know. what i know is that we have had the first seditious president in the history of the united states. jefferson davis who took the confederacy into war, was from the united states congress not the president of the united states. so we have a unique situation in which the president himself tried to stage a coup, and that's what the january 6th investigation is all about, and the amazing thing that is so different from what happened in watergate, that what happened even after the civil war is one of the two political parties, the republican party, has now committed itself to supporting really a seditious president of the united states. and will he get away with it? he has so far.
why, indeed, was he not convicted by the senate? because unlike in watergate richard nixon had to resign because courageous republicans led by barry goldwater, the 1964 nominee of his party, went to nixon and said you have to resign because you are a criminal president. no reporter, not senator -- not mitch mcconnell, not kevin mccarthy in the house, has gone to donald trump. and mccarthy actually, as you pointed out earlier, said the truth on january 6th, and like the whole of his party in the congress of the united states with the exception of liz cheney and a couple others, has gone to supporting sedition by a seditionist president of the united states. >> kevin mccarthy spoke the truth about donald trump being responsible -- >> that's right. >> -- for january 6. lindsey graham did the same thing on the floor, said he was done with him. other republicans did. that changed very quickly.
talking about the book and we had a lot of people asking questions except the one guy you're sitting right next to who actually, like you, is always on deadline, is always rushing to telephones -- >> there he is. >> -- jonathan lemire, jump in. >> thank you, joe. i wanted to back up a second about the book, if i could. i was struck by something here about your father. you said that he had a preference for "the evening star" and much more so than the liberal "washington post." i'm sure that was a great disappointment to him where you ended up. tell us the role he played in your life, in your career, and how up got started. >> i owe him everything. my father recognized when i was in high school that i had one foot in the classroom, one foot in the juvenile court, and one foot in the pool hall, three feet, but that's pretty much how it worked out.
and he knew i had a facility for writing a little bit. i could pass essay exams but not anything else. and he got me an interview for a job at "the star." my father had been a unionized government worker which was committed to civil rights and helped integrate the restaurants downtown. black people couldn't eat in the cafeterias or in the restaurants downtown. and so my father had been a source for the government columnists of "the washington star" and had covered my father's union and strikes with fairness whereas "the washington post" had not, had been much more even mccarthy-ite in baiting. my father got me this interview. as we said earlier, the guy who interviewed me, at first he didn't want to hire me and then he gave me the typing test, and because i had taken the typing
class with the girls, he called me up a few days later and said, boy, you didn't tem me you could type like that. and i could type 90 words a minute and that's how i got hired. >> i love it. >> federal prosecutors filing charges against 11 members of one of the groups accused of playing a central role in january 6th. >> the attack on the u.s. capitol. as justice correspondent pete williams reports investigators say they were planning for even more violence after the siege. >> reporter: it's the most high-profile charge yet stemming from the capitol riot. stewart rhodes of texas, the leader of the far-right oath keepers, is in federal custody accused of conspiring with ten other members of the group to carry out acts of violence to stop congress from formally counting the electoral college vote for president. they're charged with the crime of seditious conspiracy. >> while all conspiracies are serious, a seditious conspiracy, an unusual federal charge, not
often brought is even more serious. >> reporter: as early as two days after the election, prosecutors say, rhodes reached out to his group's leadership team with this encrypted message. we aren't getting through this without a civil war. in late december court documents say he messaged the team, we need to make those senators very uncomfortable with all of us being a few hundred feet away. the day before the riot the fbi says one of the oath keepers drove around the u.s. capitol on a reconnaissance mission. on january 6th, the government says rioters began breaking through police lines, rhodes messaged his leadership saying the nation's founders stormed the governor's mansion in massachusetts. a short time later oath keepers began working their way into the capitol in two groups lined up in military-style formation. stewart rhodes remained outside the building. but in the hours after the riot, the governor says, he met with his team to plan further violence. in the following weeks, prosecutors say, he spent more than $17,000 buying weapons and
ammunition. and on inauguration day they say rhodes messaged, after this, if nothing happens, it's war. civil war 2.0. >> pete williams reporting there. michael schmidt, you've been digging deeply into both the congressional investigation of january 6th and the criminal side of things. what did this new indictment tell you? it's pretty extraordinary in its detail and will open a lot of people's eyes as to how serious the oath keepers were about creating violence on that day, that when he were ready outside the city and hotels with weapons. they were prepared to use boats if the bridges were shut down. once the capitol was breached they were going to send in reinforcements. thank god that didn't happen. what else did you learn in this indictment? >> i think what we see in this indictment is the long hand and great powers of the justice department and what it can do if it really turns all of its resources and energy on something and how better equipped federal prosecutors are to get to the bottom of what
happened on january 6th and hold individuals accountable than the congressional investigation. this is, as were you laying out, an incredibly -- the most high profile, the most significant crime anyone has been charged with. the prison sentences that could come with something like this are extensive. the message that it sends, the clarity when it comes from the justice department in laying out the evidence of how these individuals were planning this before, during and after the openness that they talked about it, the willingness to engage and talk about a civil war. these indictments really speak for themselves. and i think they speak in ways that may pierce -- very hard to pierce the news cycle in any way but these types of speaking indictments that lay out these stories that come with significant criminal penalties really show the depth of what happened on january 6th. and to some it may come in a
less partisan way than if it were coming from the january 6th. >> congratulations on your backdrop, speaking of depth. he's not just up against a white door. very pleased. >> progress. >> a space heater in it or something. >> this is progress. and the radiator look. this is great stuff. let's go from room rater to sedition. it's a very easy segue, i guess. i'm wondering, we've seen, michael, time and again people that go before federal judges and are saying the reason i went up there is because i thought i was following the orders of donald trump and i was doing what donald trump told me to do. now the doj is actually when they're talking to these witnesses, when they're talking to defendants they're actually pressing that. >> trying to get plea deals.
>> we did a story earlier this week on what are political calculations mike pence is making and being guided by his presidential ambitions in deciding whether to talk to investigators. in that story we laid out a new development that we've seen in these justice department investigations, and that is they have had individuals when they are pleading these defendants, attesting to the facts, what they did illegally in and around january 6th saying they went into the capitol because donald trump wanted them to. they were following donald trump's orders in order to stop mike pence from overseeing the certification of the election. now that is a very interesting fact that helps illuminate what's going on. if you take a step back and play federal prosecutor for a bit, you can see how you get closer to the idea of obstructing
congress. you have individuals on the ground who are saying they are taking specific action because they thought donald trump wanted them to. and that action was going into the capitol to try and stop mike pence. so if those individuals were doing that and were breaking the law when they were doing that, is there any role in the breaking of the law for the individual that led them to that path? it's a step removed. it's much more of a bank shot legally but something prosecutors have been asking criminal defense lawyers to insert into the plea agreements in recent months. they want this evidence. perhaps they want to have everything that they can or maybe there's something larger afoot. we don't know but it is a new development in these investigations that shows a concentration on the issue of obstructing congress. obstructing that certification
of the vote. >> takes it a step closer to donald trump who, of course, was tweeting attacks at mike pence while he was running for his life. michael schmidt, thank you for being with us. greatly appreciate it. david, let's talk about the time frame. the pace has quickened. things are moving with the doj. you suggested they may have less than a year to get this done. >> there's a political clock on this. the republicans are in a good position to win back the house this year and the new congress will convene at the beginning of january in 2023. that gives the january 6 committee less than a year to complete its work. and these investigations can be very difficult. they can be very time consuming, very intricate. you have to fight through resistance from people you want to interview, look deeply into facts with investigators not just hearing that make everybody
feel good. and that can take time and they don't have it. they have less than a year. you have a five-seat majority in the house. the republicans will shut it down for all sorts of reasons that we have discussed and, look, i think you have to look at the department of justice. they have a three-year time frame from some time this month. and if joe biden or a democratic nominee wins re-election they have more time. if you have a president take office in 2025 you don't know exactly how the new attorney general would handle these ongoing investigations. i think for people who believe, you have to look at the political clock and understand what you're dealing with. >> we're talking obviously about what happened in 2020. you're looking at what may happen in 2024 and also at how completely donald trump is preparing for the same sort of
election challenges in 2024 that he lost in 2020. talk about his if i can focus on michigan. >> donald trump has been endorsing people for the michigan state legislature. we've seen this for years endorsing people for congress, allies you need to make. you don't get into the weeds with these races. donald trump is doing that endorsing at least nine candidates in the upcoming republican primaries there. he's endorsed for secretary of state, for attorney general. the co-chairman, you're usually supposed to remain neutral. she's working on his behalf bringing him candidates and
candidates that agree with his claims the election was stolen. >> by the way, despite the fact republicans overwhelmingly agreed that it was on the up and up and issued a report saying the election was on the up and up. >> it's funny that i have to say this, i have talked to a number of republicans who believe in the party, who right after the election looked into these claims in both the senate race and the presidential race and would have loved to have found them to be true and continue to tell me every time i check in with them there was nothing there. two ways to understand this, it's not just an attempt for donald trump to have control over the legislatures so that he might have control over the process in the next presidential race. it shows an increased level of sophistication on his part that he understand the levers of the party at his disposal. these are things he did not care
about or understand in his first campaign and only began to realize to the end of his term. he's making use of his political and influence in the party to try and put loyalists in place that agree with him on a host of issues, this being one of the most important. i think it's why little curious why democrats don't put more into the act because they have bipartisan interest including from mitch mcconnell and a good way to divide their opposition rather than divide themselves. >> there's nothing more important right now than passing a reform measure for that act. carl bernstein, you don't have to go into a garage in 2022 with somebody hiding behind a pole to find out where this conspiracy is going. to overturn the 2024 election.
like everything he does, donald trump is doing this in plain daylight. >> and it's an ongoing conspiracy. donald trump is really the great conspirator. if you look at the january 6 investigation being conducteded by the committee in the house and you read the january 6 letter about kevin mccarthy presented yesterday,ou begin a sense that committee itself has got the goods and especially on donald trump and what he did in the white house, in his talks with kevin mccarthy, with others on at that day. so the investigation david drucker is talking about in the house is really turning up information and they have the goods. the question then is, as you've just suggested this is an ongoing conspiracy by donald trump to undermine the electoral system in this country by, indeed, going to secretaries of
state, going to state legislatures to try and enact legislation that will allow him to become the president of the united states through undermining the state systems of electoral independence, of fair voting in their states. you had the expert on earlier in the broadcast showing supposedly figures about voting and that this indicated that everybody got a real fair chance to vote. no. as eugene robinson pointed out, it's much more difficult for many people to vote because of what the republican party is doing to throw road blocks in the way to cast votes. and the way that donald trump is seeking to win election two years from now. >> all right, carl bernstein, it's been a wonderful family
reunion. we hope you can come back very soon. the back is "chasing history. "my gosh, the reviews, fantastic. probably the best in your career. >> true. probably better than "all the president's men." >> quite a few great reviews. katty, before we go to our next guest, jonathan lemire sent me this. >> he sends you the weirdest -- >> he sent me an onion clip, pig dies waiting for transplant heart given to human. today, this morning, uk prime minister boris johnson's office apologizes for holding staff party on the eve of prince philip's funeral. this is a scene directly out of "the crown" when queen
elizabeth's grang mother was angry at the family for drinking champagne the night before a funeral. >> there's a thing on twitter who is having the worst week, boris johnson, prince andrew or novak djokovic. >> okay. >> this is more of boris johnson defying the rules his government set for what brits could or could not do during covid. he didn't actually attend but the party went on until late in the night and there was dancing and singing and boozing, the night before the queen buried her husband. you remember that picture, she sat by herself in the chapel. she couldn't have one of her kids next to her. she lost the love of her life, and she had to mourn him in private sitting by herself and the people on downing street were having a party the night before. the timing could not be worse.
and brits are already furious about the idea there's one rule for them and one rule for people in power. >> and there is a direct line between what we're talking about with boris johnson and djokovic. the rules that apply to everybody else doesn't seem to apply to boris johnson, thinks, to him or his staff members or to tennis stars. >> the prime minister of the country and not just the governor of california. let's bring in a united states marine corps combat veteran deployed to iraq in 2005. great to have you on. voting rights passed through the house but it looks to be stymied in the senate partly because of arizona senator sinema. >> today the house showed where
it stands. we won't shrink from the voting rights of all americans. it's pastime for the senate and senator sinema to do the same. >> a short time after you made that plea, kyrsten sinema took to the floor of the senate, yes, i still object to the filibuster, getting rid of the filibuster. what is your message to her now and how do you think this gets through the senate? >> i said that speech right after senator sinema's speech, i was watching it in the cloakroom and revised my comments to reflect what she was saying, that she was going to join an obstructionist movement to stop the furtherance of the voting rights act. so what i'm trying to say to senator sinema is she's from arizona.
we know all the crazy bills the republican party is introducing and they would get rid of early voting, of absentee ballots, that require people -- i've seen people have to copy their driver's license and we're in a critical moment especially after january 6 that senator sinema needs to understand this is not like any other team. there is a slow moving coup and a couple of the bills that we need to pass to protect our democracy. >> congressman, you've not ruled out challenging senator sinema. she has made the calculation voters want what she's doing, her to toe this forceful moderate line, not countenance
any kind of change or carve out to the filibuster for any reason the president might want. what makes you think you could appeal with a different message? >> well, look, if you understand what's happening in arizona every day we see, again, as i mentioned this slow moving coup but other areas people are mad. we could have the child tax credit but we still haven't moved in that direction. what we hear is arizonians want a senator that's responsive to them. almost any arizona elected official understands more what's going on because we do have -- we meet with our constituents. it's the thing you are supposed to do.
i recommend she try it. >> i want to ask you about the politics, democrats have continued to push to move the build back better act and now these voting proposals that do not seem to have the votes to pass. when does it become counterproductive? in politics often when you try and you fail the ensuing weakness makes it harder for you to convince voters to move in the direction you want particularly when they're so focused right now on the coronavirus, the ongoing pandemic, and economic matters like inflation? >> well, look, i don't understand -- and this is one of the mysteries of the senate and sometimes even the house, you can be doing two things at one time. this is why we have talented leaders, talented staff but, number two, we do have to
understand and i see it as some of that was there on january 6 as someone who has seen the ongoing actions after that. this is an existential point in america and we may not have the public on our side but we need to keep talking about this and point out about the danger that we're seeing. i don't believe we're ever going to have another physical coup like we saw on january 6. i think the coup will be staffed by men and women in very well dressed suits running for the county board, the electoral boards and for everything we do between now and then if we don't get the voting rights act passed, we don't have these protections, they will win this on election day but not counting votes or certifying the president in state houses and
assemblies. >> let me ask you about the electoral count act. a lot of people talking about that, it's never made a lot of sense for republicans and democrats alike. those ambiguities allowed donald trump and others to think mike pence could make these changes. where is the house? what do you think? what do your house members think? what do democrats think about the possibility of updating that? so what the house and the senate does is more ministerial, a rubber stamp to what comes your way instead of having people beg the vice president to change the outcome of an election. >> being on the floor january 6 and seeing the pomp and circumstance tells you this is very much ceremonial but the problem with it, that would be like having a car but without any gasoline.
and the reason i say that, by the time it gets to the electoral college if you have disenfranchised voters, it makes it difficult for voters to go by any means or you have to change who counts the votes and legitimizes the votes, it will not protect what donald trump is doing. donald trump is a criminal. like many criminals when he sees a crime, he will find a way to exploit it further and further. he saw an opportunity on january 6th, and so now he's not just going to rely on maybe a pliable vice president or more members of congress maybe supporting decertifying the election but he will conduct and do it so the michigan assembly would certify wayne county or something like that could happen in georgia or invalidate early ballots for whatever reason.
there are a lot of ways this corrupt human being can conduct his silent coup before we get to 2025. >> all right, congressman gallego, thank you very much. his recent book entitled "they called us lucky." " and david drucker, thank you for your reporting. we appreciate you coming on this friday morning. still ahead on "morning joe," labor secretary marty walsh joins us after the supreme court struck down the administration's vaccine mandate for private businesses. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. you're watching "morning joe." you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. medusa lived with a hideous curse. uhh, i mean the whole turning people to stone thing
just about 36 past the hour. what a beautiful shot of the u.s. capitol. the supreme court struck down a federal vaccine or test mandate for private businesses with at least 100 employees. while allowing the separate mandate for health care workers to continue. in a 6-3 decision the majority held the administration overstepped its authority with the occupation and rule saying that although congress has given osha the power to regulate occupational dangers it has not given the agency the power to regulate public health more broadly. joining us now to talk more about this and also infrastructure, marty walsh. great to have you on the show in person. great to see you. >> what's next now that osha rule has been struck down by the supreme court? where do you go?
>> it's disappointing what the court did yesterday. we put a lot of effort into this, had medical experts who agreed with us, legal experts who agreed with us, and so it is disappointing the court chose not to defend or support people from covid-19. what's next is we're going to work with businesses and encourage businesses to continue down this path. many have done it. we're going to support them and try to help and assist them to get people vaccinated and/or tested in work places and with masks to make sure people can go back to work. >> a situation where everybody wanted somebody else to take responsibility for the mandate it seems. the companies wanted to be able to say this is a government mandate so we don't have any choice. the administration wasn't doing a lot to enforce this. scott gottlieb after the ruling came down, notwithstanding the ruling bottom line osha was doing little to enforce it and that was unlikely to change.
the biden administration realized how divisive this was. it was harden opposition to vaccine efforts than ease these divides. in a sense the supreme court ruling the way it did perhaps companies will carry on doing this as they have been doing and maybe it just takes the heat out? >> i hope so. we were specific on the division and we did vax or test. it wasn't a mandate. we were saying to people if you don't get vaccinated, you get tested and you wear a mask at work. we need to do more in this country to make sure people feel comfortable because people do catch the virus. if you look at the omicron variant, the people vaccinated aren't getting as sick.
people not vaccinated are filling up our hospitals and dying. we have issues there. >> a lot of people probably thought barnicle was going to be coming. >> it's safe. >> we all love barnicle! jonathan lemire as well is in new york and has a question for you, mr. secretary. >> mr. secretary, good to see you that morning. it's now been two months since president biden signed the infrastructure bill. build back better remains in limbo. this is done. can you give us an update what money has been spent, what projects are coming and what more is still on the horizon particularly on things revolving around climate change? >> they just passed this so we're working on getting the money out. secretary buttigieg made some announcements, i believe, a week and a half ago. there are more announcements coming getting money to states and cities across the country. we are working on putting together the support, mitch landrieu, the former mayor of
new orleans and the former governor of louisiana is working with us on the language on how to get the money out, how to spend the money. if i'm a governor or a mayor around the country, and i have talked to plenty of them, they are beginning processes. >> marty walsh, thank you very much for coming on. >> up next, a new study on a really old rock. what researchers learned about a 4 billion-year-old meteorite from mars and the possibility of life on that planet. on that pl. (music) ♪ i think to myself ♪ ♪ what a wonderful world ♪
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to be inducted separately as a songwriter and then a performing artist. she is back with a focus on an issue about which she is so passionate, the environment. she's written a new op-ed for "the hill" entitled spending s not facilitate sawing down or national forests." i agree with that. in it, carole, you argue against some of the provisions in the lar enacted bipartisan infrastructure bill that sets aside billions to facilitate logging in our national forests. and you write in part, the cost of logging on public land is not just money. logging releases more than 723 million tons of carbon a year, which accelerates climate change and destroys wildlife habitat, which haste ens the extinction of species. how can the united states credibly ask other nations to stop deforestation and forest degradation when we not only
allow logging in our national forests, but also subsidize it. rather than providing billions for multinational timber corporations to mow down vast swaths of our national forests under the guise of restoration and other euphemisms, let's allocate that money in the build back better bill to help families grow the economy. i know. changing direction is difficult, but we the public are counting on you, our lawmakers, to rise to the moment. so well put, carole. >> hey. first of all, thank you for having me on and it's so good to see you. i hope to do it in person, you know, really soon, but, who knows? yes, i appreciate your reading what i wrote because i probably wrote it more concisely than i would say it. but one of my missions right now is to make climate activists and
elected officials who ran on climate aware of the connection to the amount of logging that's going on that we pay for. my objection to these provisions is both on the grounds that logging releases something like 723 million tons of carbon annually. when you think about richard gere was on your show talking about the earth emergency and he said, you know, we are looking for technology to store carbon. trees are that technology. we are just systematically mowing down with mechanized big machines are just cutting down trees. zip, strip, pile it up, you know, and it's just that fast. so we need to stop doing that and i need climate activists to be aware of this as a major
contributor to climate change and to get with me on this. >> carole, good morning, it's willie. it's so great to see you. the northern rockies ecosystem protection act is something you've been fighting for for a long time. where is the resistance you've met to that? i think most people watching this show would assume, sure, you can get every democrat you want on board with this, but you say even within this infrastructure bill as you wrote in the piece it doesn't really do enough to protect the places you are talking about and the place where you've lived for so long. >> yes, i live in idaho and have lived here for 44 years, go figure. but you're right about the northern rockies ecosystem protection act. i've been on with you before talking about it and what this bill does, the best defense against climate change is large landscape preservation, and it's also the best defense against the existing laws that mandate
money to be spent and in the build back better bill if we can't get those provisions removed, which is my goal so that we can fund other important things like the child tax credit and so on, if we -- our best defense is the northern rockies ecosystem protection act. it protects 23 million acres across -- not across, but including land -- nationally-owned public land in five states, idaho being one of them. idaho, oregon, washington, wyoming and montana. >> carole, last november president biden joined 100 world leaders at the summit in glasgow and did commit to ending deforestation but at the same time there are holdovers from the trump era, laws from the trump era that are being enacted that allow deforestation in the states. how do you square that with what the president committed to in glasgow? >> well, it doesn't square
exactly. and not only did he commit to stop deforestation in our country or certainly do what he can to do that, he also committed to pay other countries to stop deforestation. we are paying for deforestation in our own country, that has been going on, to be fair, for decades under multiple presidents of both parties. the forest service is institutionally geared toward facilitating logging and i am calling for structural change. i have been, but nobody is paying attention to me and hopefully with this exposure -- thank you so much -- the forest service is not serving the forest, they are just serving the timber industry. and that is a fact. >> carole king as always thank you so much. we love seeing you, love talking to you and can't wait to see you in person. >> thank you, carole. >> same to you, joe and mika and katty and willie and all of you. >> speaking of katty, thank you,
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hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. it is friday, january 14th and there is a lot of news to get to, so let's get smarter. major developments in the january 6th investigation. the justice department making its most serious charges yet against the leader of the oath keepers militia and ten others, now charging them with seditious conspiracy. and the push for voting rights action hit mor