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best team. you won't say it on tv, but the text you sent me meant the world to me. fascinating book. cheated, the inside story of the astros scandal and colorful history of sign stealing. that does it for us. stephanie ruhle picks up coverage right now. hi there. i am stephanie ruhle. it is thursday, june 24th. there's a lot to get to this morning. violent crime ticks up across the country, president biden released a new plan to fight it, focused largely on illegal gun sales and underfunded police departments. the big question, what can he actually get done if congress doesn't get on board? at the same time, congress might be getting on board when it comes to passing infrastructure. speaker pelosi and senate majority leader chuck schumer leaving a meeting with white house officials yesterday,
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sounding somewhat optimistic. today, a group of bipartisan senators head to the white house to pitch their plan to president biden. and in los angeles, britney spears speaking out for the first time asking a judge to end her very restrictive conservator ship. revealing disturbing details about the control her father has over her life, her finances, even her body. right now, the white house is cracking down on gun violence after president biden laid out his plan to get guns off our streets. he is directing programs to cut community violence to 15 separate cities. but this morning, we have to turn now to south florida where we have breaking news. at least one person dead after partial collapse of a high-rise condo building near miami beach. we are awaiting a news conference from miami-dade police in 10 or 15 minutes from now. overnight, i want to show you dramatic rescues that took place. more than 80 fire rescue units
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rushing to the scene early this morning. witnesses and survivors describing a scene of terror and absolute confusion. >> a weird sound, could have been thunder, but didn't sound like thunder, we felt the building shake. i saw a plume of smoke coming up, very unusual shape. everything about it was unusual. i opened the door to my apartment, it leads to a long hallway, and all i saw was debris. decided to go to the balcony, wave down fire rescue. they are heroes. they're unbelievable human beings. they came up with a ladder and bucket and got the four of us down. >> i want to go to kerry sanders at the scene. 80 units in the -- sent to the building, what's going on? >> the building collapsed, you
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look at the back side of it, it pancaked. 12 story building, 136 units in there. we believe that most of them were occupied, if not by residents, people here on vacation borrowing apartments and staying there. we know of one family here from argentina. a husband, a wife, and young six-year-old daughter that friends and relatives haven't heard from. these are incredibly anxious moments, waiting to find out news. a lot of people on the emergency side that responded here. if there's an up side, metro or miami-dade fire department is world class urban search and rescue that responded around the world. they not only have expertise but the gear and cameras they can put in there to see if there are voids where people may be inside. at this point, the waiting is
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agonizing. a commissioner here in surfside, a small town is north of miami. update what you know now. >> we know that something was wrong with the building. a building shouldn't collapse like that. i am afraid for other buildings in town. this is the sham plain south buildings. there's a sister building, sham plain north. looks similar, built the same time. i think residents need to be concerned for the safety of their building. >> the search and rescue going on, nobody is giving up. i know they confirmed one death. this plays out all day? >> this will play out for days, could be weeks until we know who is under the rubble, who survived, who didn't survive. a lot of people are unaccounted for, lot of families concerned. hoping there are snow birds that weren't here. >> happens in chaotic moments, trying to find where people are is different. they're taking phone numbers, there's efforts. this is florida.
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hurricanes happen. there's a system in place with emergency management. let's talk a little about the building itself. at 40 years old, has it been inspected? what's the status of that? >> the building was up for 40 year recertification. they were doing the process now. it is a one year process. i believe they were doing the roof. >> the inspector was last here when? >> told he was on the roof yesterday. what happened today is going to take a lot of investigating to find out, we are getting to the bottom of it, residents need to know. >> thank you very much. she has a busy day, commissioner here in surfside, north of miami beach. the search and rescue is under way as we speak. there are dogs, listening devices, cameras, perhaps going to complicate the situation, rain is moving in. that's not going to deter anybody with the hope of finding people still alive and can be pulled to safety. >> kerry, i don't want to put you on the spot but i want to ask you personally. you covered a lot of stories.
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when you showed up on scene earlier this morning, what is this like? compare it to other things you've seen. >> reporter: it just, i heard her say this, it is so true, it does not feel like something we see happening in the united states. the first thing i thought of, this wasn't an accident, was this something caused by a terrorist or something. it appears that the authorities ruled this out. anxiety and chaos, i got here around 4:15 in the morning, there was still, obviously people that got out were numb, they were frightened, didn't have answers, still don't have answers, want to know where their loved ones are. this is very much a very real, unexpected event that happened, and it is lack of expectation that makes things so much more raw as opposed to there's a hurricane coming, people know how to deal with it, horrible if
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a hurricane hits. this was like a split second, three sounds, one, two, third sound, that's when it pancaked, that's when a cloud of concrete dust filled the area. that's when people said what do i do, how do i get out of here. they went downstairs, down hall ways, first floor, couldn't get down. went to the basement, found the door locked. that's an area that's a parking garage when i say basement. started to make their way up. went upstairs. one couple made it back to their balcony on the third floor, brought strangers with them, neighbors, people they didn't know. then the fire department arrived, they put up a cherry picker and started to pull them out, extracting them. when i see all of this unfolding, when i talk to people that have gone through this, hearing the raw emotion, you can't help but feel for them, knowing that those that got out are damaged but are lucky to be alive. those that are still in there hopefully are still alive somehow in the midst of all
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this. >> kerry sanders, thank you. we're coming back to you in a moment. we are expecting a press conference in seven or eight minutes. back to the white house, i mentioned it at the top of the show, cracking down on violence after president biden laid out his plan to get guns off our streets. he is directing programs to cut community violence to 15 separate cities, the plan includes five areas to stop gun trafficking. with the administration targeting what they call rogue gun dealers who break the law. >> we'll find you and we will seek your license to sell guns. we'll make sure you can't sell death and mayhem on our streets. >> let's go straight to peter alexander and shannon watt, founder of moms demand action. peter, we saw hundreds of mass shootings in biden's first 100 days. he said his focus was on
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infrastructure. what changed his mind? >> reporter: i think it is clear that his focus is on more than just infrastructure, obviously the pandemic has been a priority, but guns certainly and rise in crime has been significant as well. i think it is largely driven by numbers we have been seeing in recent months. take philadelphia, record number of murders since the pandemic. portland, oregon, homicides are up 530% just this year. these are numbers noted by those in the white house. i think that's why we heard from the president on this very issue. you talk about new policies he is rolling out, including an effort to try to hold rogue gun dealers accountable, getting involved with department of justice to send strike forces as they're describing them to five communities, cities in the country, new york, l.a., chicago, san francisco, and washington, d.c., and help for local police departments here as well.
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some of these pose real challenges for the administration as they are effectively suggestions, like their desire that some communities would spend more covid relief money received on efforts and support of the police departments there, community intervention efforts there, especially as relates to young people in those communities. the white house still faces challenges, but the effort to speak out yesterday was to show it is something they take seriously, will try to do their best to crackdown on that. >> shannon, you have been calling for action at the federal level for years. you're not getting anything out of congress but getting something from this white house. what's it going to do? >> well, what joe biden did yesterday and since he was elected is so important. he has done more than any president on this issue in a generation. he is taking action on ghost guns, funding violence intervention programs, he nominated a strong leader to the
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atf which is huge, and then announced as you said yesterday he is going after illegal gun trafficking, going to hold bad actor gun sellers accountable and make more investment in communities around gun violence prevention. these things are really important. but as you said, we have to have congress step up. acting on gun trafficking -- >> but shannon, here's the problem. the president is going after those that are breaking the law. so much of what's happening is actually legal. and congress is doing nothing. so just going after those breaking law doesn't solve it. lots of what's happening is a-okay. >> to your point, gun trafficking is an issue, guns are moving from states with weak gun laws to states with strong gun laws. last five years, 2% of trafficked guns come from states without background checks. yes, that's why we need congress
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to act on things like background checks. we just did an analysis that found over 300,000 gun sales were stopped thanks to the background check system, more than ever before. we don't know how many guns were purchased through loopholes in the system. we know about a quarter of guns sold every year are sold without a background check. what president biden is doing is important, and a huge change, but yes, we need congress to act. this data, analysis on background checks shows anything, it is that we can keep guns out of the hands of people that shouldn't have them, but also our elected officials should be racing to close loopholes to save lives. >> peter, from here what's president biden's plan, to think of more things he can do from the oval office or is it to lobby congress on something like a background check bill? >> reporter: i think it is a little of both.
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obviously yesterday we heard him pushing congress to follow-up, to deliver on a background bill. he was asked whether he believes there should be another assault weapons ban that he helped support years ago, and he said he did and thought it might be possible, but obviously there's significant resistance in congress to that taking place. >> peter, i need to jump in. we have to turn now to the breaking news in surfside, florida. officials are giving an update on the situation. let's watch. >> thank you so much to our brave, brave fire rescue workers. they have years of experience in this type of operation. and they're doing everything they possibly can do. we need to allow them to do their work. very important. need to allow them to do their work. every minute in this search can make a huge difference. we set up a family reunification hot line for those trying to get information about loved ones.
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305-614-1819. or go to miami-dade.gov/emergency to report online missing persons or to check in if someone is safe. 305-614-1819. chaplains, victim advocates are on site, ready to support survivors and family members in need of resources. our social service agencies are coming in, they'll be here to assist in hours and days ahead. i am thinking of all of the first responders. i know you are as well, praying for their safety as they go about their difficult work of saving lives. [ speaking foreign language ]
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next to speak, the board of county commission chairman. >> this is a very sad moment in our community and especially when something like this happens. it is important all your prayers go out to family members and those that are suffering now. i want to thank all the first responders for the incredible job they've been doing, have done, will be doing the next several days dealing with this. it is important that we rally around the families and the people that are actually suffering so much at this time. i want to thank my colleague here with all my colleagues calling nonstop to find out anything to do to help. we are together as a community, working together, as the mayor said. details have been given. we are here together to find anything we could do to help the
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families that have gone through the tragedy. behalf of miami-dade county commission, chairman of the board, we are here in support to surfside and this community and everything we could do. [ speaking foreign language ] [ speaking foreign language ]
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[ speaking foreign language ] next speaker, assistant fire chief of operations for miami-dade fire rescue. >> good morning. so miami-dade fire rescue at 1:30 this morning responded to reported building collapse, to summarize, a 12 story, 136 unit apartment complex that had sustained a partial collapse. the northeast corridor of the apartment collapsed
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approximately 55 apartment units. our units began search and rescue efforts. pulled 35 occupants. in addition to the 35, 10 assessed and treated, two were transported to various hospitals. search and rescue efforts are still ongoing. we do have operations conducting inside based on additional intel from inside. to echo the mayor's words, we have established a reunification center. if you have loved ones that are not answering the call, we ask you contact the phone number that's been given to you. 305-614-1819. thank you. >> the spanish for search and rescue.
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[ speaking foreign language ] >> the director of the police. >> good morning. first and foremost pray for victims and families. miami-dade police department role will be the lead investigative agency, working with surfside police department and other municipal partners. the goal to provide a thorough investigation for families. [ speaking foreign language ] freddie ramirez, director of miami-dade police department. >> city manager of surfside.
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>> first and foremost, our thoughts and prayers are with families and victims. also i just want to make sure emergency personnel understand how important it is that we have their participation here. we appreciate it very much. we've been in contact with senator scott, senator rubio's office, in touch with the governor's office, governor desantis, county mayor, other towns in the area. we are very appreciative of what they've offered and the assistance, anything we need. this is not something that will be brief, it will be something that's going to be for the long term and possibly at least a week. these people behind me, it is important that you recognize them. there's a lot of support. we can resolve this as quick as
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possible. thank you. >> they said 35 people were pulled from the building. >> due to the lightning you saw, we're only allowing for four questions and for safety of everyone here, we are moving out. you are moved the next block over. this will be vacated for safety reasons. four questions, then we'll continue on. fire? real quick. >> what can you tell us. >> in regards to equipment, we have heavy rescue and equipment such as para techs. we are shoring up the structure on the inside as we tunnel in to locate additional survivors. >> 35 people, how many were pulled from the damaged part versus undamaged.
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how many were pulled from the part that collapsed. >> 35 were pulled out from the structure and part of the collapse but not from the rubble. two were pulled from the rubble. i will defer to miami-dade. i don't have that information. i will defer that. currently search and rescue operations are continuing based on intel that we have. in regards to number of people missing, we don't have the total missing. we haven't established that. again, we ask that you continue to contact the reunification number that's been given out. we go from there. >> do you expect the death toll to go substantially higher? >> at this time we are still conducting search and rescue operations, don't have that type
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of information. >> folks, because of lightning we have to get people out. need to have you start to pack up. it will be in the lot north of here, about a block over. you'll see miami police securing the area. that will be the staging area. all this will be cleared off for safety reasons. >> i want to bring in via phone david paulson, former fema administrator. david, you're obviously not on scene, haven't seen the building firsthand. you're looking at it all in pictures. what was your initial reaction when you saw this? >> first of all, sick to my stomach, you know with a collapse like that, you're going to have fatalities and people injured and that's exactly what happened. the good part is that miami-dade fire rescue is some of the best in the world, have decades of
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experience with building collapse. we are watching it like you are. they will stay there until they're positively no one survived. there will be different days on the rubble piled into the building. talked to one of the chiefs inside the building trying to shore it up, making sure they can tunnel through, get to all of the rooms and make sure no one is left in there that can evacuate. >> talk to us about the recovery process. how do they go about looking for people. you mention create tunnels. explain it to us. >> what they're doing now is they have the search and rescue dogs. they are very well trained. they'll sniff out anybody that's still alive, and they'll make sure to do a room by room search on what's left on that side of
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the building, search every void they can find, taking the dogs with them, at the same time, trying to shore up the building best they can so we don't have firefighters or rescue people injured on top of what's already happened. >> based on the images you're looking at, how significant the collapse is, is this a search and rescue or is this more like a recovery? >> right now, it is still search and rescue. it will be a search and rescue until they're sure there's no one left, best they can tell, no one left alive in the building. at that point, it will turn to recovery. as you heard them say, it is important that people call the hot line to make sure they can account for everyone in the building. that will be important to have that count so they're not putting fire people lives in danger when there's no one survivable. >> david, thank you. stay close. i know we're going to have more questions. i want to bring in sam brock, he
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has been on scene for hours. sam, you have spoken to people that live inside the building, spoken to their family members. you were front and center during the press conference. what stood out to you most? >> reporter: the fact that the first thing the miami-dade mayor said was we have chaplains on site to help people and family reunifications. you wouldn't think chaplains are on sight unless there's heartbreak. if there are more than one fatalities, that didn't happen. rain and thunder and lightning broke up the press conference. we found out there are about 35 people pulled from the building in some capacity. we saw two of them this morning pulled from rubble, including a teenage boy, picked up by a firefighter, hoisted over a shoulder, walked away. other tidbits we learned, they're in the process of
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stabilizing the structure while tunneling underneath. there's a question, we don't see anything of what's going on. this is the good side of the building that stayed up. it is on the seaside there's a collapse of 3 to 4 vertical columns of 12 apartments each. talking 40 or 50 units. the question beyond updates on fatalities, how many people are you looking for, talking dozens or more than that. they wouldn't provide information or speculate whether or not the death toll could rise considerably. hard to imagine, steph, anecdotally, on the number of people i talked to today say they can't get in touch, from around the world, emails and messages, have you heard from anyone where they stand for with the search, i have someone i love in that building. we heard from a gentleman whose friends were here from argentina to get a covid vaccine, hollywood, florida, came here last night, were there for a matter of hours to enjoy a day in surfside and this happened. they had a six-year-old girl.
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i don't know in terms who they're looking for, what the age range would be. it is stunning and heartbreaking, hearing from folks that say they were lucky to get out alive. as they exited, they heard screams and sounds of people trapped and debris everywhere. >> i know there's not an official count of how many people are in the building, but if it is 126 units and the northeast corridor where it collapsed there are 55 apartments, do we have a sense in the building if people are there full time in florida or more the place where people live there in the winter and head north for the summer months? how many occupants are normally there? >> that's a great question. i don't know what the normal template is. we know when we interviewed the surfside mayor, he said it is not lowly occupied. there's a lot of people. is it full capacity, 60, 70,
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80%, i don't know if they're aware what the figures are. all we know is there's active search and rescue effort going on at this moment and could get more challenging, weather is about to intervene. we are hearing thunder and lightning and they have to go through rubble. it is going on concurrently. it is not an empty building. lots of folks were inside when this happened. >> sam, quickly, one more. i know you have to go. 33 occupants were pulled out of the building. they said two were transported to the hospital. what does that mean for the other 30, were they fine? were they completely safe, didn't need medical treatment? >> reporter: in terms of numbers we were provided, one fatality, ten were treated on scene, two transported to the hospital, one of those passed away from injuries. as far as the other numbers of people, whether it was minor cuts and bruises or something more significant and how many, that information hasn't been
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disclosed yet. >> all right. sam, thank you so much for the reporting. i am going to let you go. we'll check back in a few minutes. up next, crime spiking across the country, but not in one city. we take you to camden, new jersey where crime his a historic low after the city rebuilt its police department. ♪ ♪ when technology is easier to use... ♪ barriers don't stand a chance. ♪ that's why we'll stop at nothing to deliver our technology as-a-service. ♪ at progressive, we love your pets as much as you do, like this guy in a hat. that's why progressive car insurance covers your pets for up to $1,000 if they're ever in a car accident with you.
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gun violence is spiking coast to coast. camden, new jersey, crime hit the lowest point in 50 years. after the city scrapped the old police course and started fresh in 2013 with focus on community policing. it was the most dangerous city in the country before that happened. now the results speak for themselves. with a crime rate cut in half in the last decade. joining us, police captain kevin lutz, and the county architect
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of the new police department. captain, camden, new jersey, this is not mr. rogers' neighborhood. historically this is a very rough town. people used to be scared to go outside after dusk. crime is at a historic low. how did you do it? >> well, it was a holistic, long term approach that started in 2013 when we realized we needed to change the way we were policing the city. culturally, started with training and with strong leadership, not only from members of our department and leadership within but also from our political leaders. that's from both sides of the aisle. >> when people hear they got rid of the old police department, they freak out. they think it is going to be a city unprotected, no law
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enforcement. but it wasn't unprotected. you reimagined and redesigned safety. how did it work? >> it was a struggle to get where we were. we needed bipartisan support as the captain mentioned. we dismantled the city department on the same day as the county department. never been done before in new jersey, we think never done before in the nation. thanks to great leadership and dedication of the men and women of the department, we formed tremendous partnerships with residents. earned trust of our residents. that's where good policing starts. when your residents view you as someone you can trust, someone you can put their faith in and talk to, you can begin to fight crime expeditiously as we have in camden. >> let's talk training, captain. you have cops on the streets, but unlike other cities, you only got five excessive force
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complaints at all last year. how much of the answer is training officers to do the best work? >> i think it is one of the key components to our transition. again, leadership, not defunding but investing in long term success of the agency started with training. when we talk about the sang at this time of life and putting sound policies in place and most other things, training is a foundation. and we worked with several different entities across the country to develop what we believe to be the most effective training we could give officers. the key component is to sustain the training over time, to make that cultural shift. our officers value the sang at this time of life. we use time as a tactic. we need to know our officers as
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you stated, camden has its challenges, they're going to deal with conflict on a daily basis. we need to make sure they recognize threat levels, not creating officer-created jeopardy situations, and that we are at the end of the day de-escalating to the best of our ability, and if and when force is used in our city, we know we exhausted all means leading up to that and that our officers are doing what we trained them to do, and the policy we have in place supports that. >> when there's no jobs, there's no hope and that's when things get dangerous. we saw crime spike when big companies like cam bells soup packed up and left. now that the city is safer, are you seeing businesses come back? >> we had $2 million of private investment in camden city since the crime situation improved. we have subaru, campbell's soup,
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philadelphia 76ers all with headquarters in camden city. before the pandemic, the unemployment rate had dropped to historic low as well. just under 7%. it has risen a bit during the pandemic, however, we're starting to see that trend reversing. companies in camden city are hiring residents and that's a big part of fighting crime as well, creating economic opportunity for residents. that's what we are doing in the city. but that would not be possible without improvement in public safety. >> i want to stay on that. captain, people of color makeup half your department, but white people makeup less than a quarter of camden city. how much progress have you made recruiting community members, locals that live in camden to be charged with protecting it? >> i think that it has been a work in progress. there's been hiring restrictions we had since our inception that
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we've consistently reviewed and worked through. as it stands now, we're best suited today to ensure our residents makeup a tremendous percentage of the agency. again, that's a work in progress, i think it is greatly improved in recent years. >> stephanie, if i can add to that. >> yes. >> we just had a law passed in state of new jersey thanks to support of governor murphy, senate president sweeney that allows us to hire officers directly now outside the civil service process, so we are able to go to community now, recruit residents, make them part of the force. >> hold on. what does that mean, when you say outside the civil service, outside the police union? >> no, but there's a hiring process in new jersey called civil service, which is archaic, racially and culturally biased, prevented us hiring within the
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community. law was recently passed that allows us to circumvent that process and to hire folks directly from the community, based on qualifications, not how well they do on a civil service test. >> if it is archaic, racially biased, culturally biased, time to get rid of it. you go, new jersey. thank you, gentlemen, for joining me and thank you for all you do. coming up, britney spears speaks out for the first time about the control her father has over her life, her finances, even her body. disturbing new details next. you don't want to miss this. wan. more protection, more sun, more joy. beach defense® from neutrogena® the suncare brand used most by dermatologists and their families, neutrogena® for people with skin. ahhh! get out of here mouse. ahhh! ♪♪
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it. >> reporter: this morning, britney spears demanding to regain control of her life, testifying remotely in court wednesday. the 39-year-old lashed out at her father and conservators that managed her care and finances, calling them threatening, abusive, saying she's forced to endure oppressive conditions comparable to slavery. i lied and told the whole world i am happy because i have been in denial. i am traumatized, can't sleep. so angry, i cry every day. her dad was court appointed as her conservator after she was placed in two involuntary strik holds following a public breakdown. she wants him out, telling the judge he loved the control to hurt his own daughter, 100,000%, he loved it. she said he forced her to tour against her will. when she complained, she was put on lithium.
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i felt drunk. i told them i was scared. the pop star says they won't let her get married or have more children, preventing her from removing an iud. i feel ganged up on, bullied, alone. >> did not appear people were listening to her. i think the new judge, however, is taking steps to do exactly that. >> jamie speers did not speak, but his attorney told the judges he is sorry to see his daughter suffering and in so much pain. mr. speers loves his daughter and misses her very much. last year, she petitioned the court to have her father removed which a different judge denied. in the last 13 years, she released several albums, starred in a tv show, performed in a hit las vegas residency. now tells the courts if i can work for myself and pay other people, it makes no sense. i just want my life back. fans and other celebrities
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agree, including former boyfriend justin timberlake who tweeted we should all be supporting britney at this time. no one should be held against their will or have to ask permission to access everything they worked so hard for. >> i need this explained to me. joining me. joyce vance, professor at the university of alabama law school and msnbc contributor. joyce, explain to me the type of person -- what kind of condition would someone normally be in with -- to have this kind of conservatorship? i would manual someone in a vegetative state or with dementia, not someone making millions of dollars. >> that's a good guess, steph. and you're exactly right. conservatorships are for people who are coming to the end of
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their lives, people with dementia or long-term cognitive impairment. it was impoed at a time when she was struggling. there's been some suggestion perhaps she suffered from post-partum depression and was going through a difficult period of time. now 13 years down the road it's tough to see, especially based on what we heard from her yesterday why the conservatorship is still in place. under california law, there's a provision for terminating a conservatorship. typically, they terminate automatically when someone dies. a judge can terminate it if she finds it's no longer required. >> and what are the odds this judge lets her out? when she did suffer those breakdowns, she was one of the most public people on planet earth who had been in the public eye since she was a child. >> this raises really troubling questions. you can think of so many people who have had a rough patch in their lives but don't suddenly
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give up control. not just of the money they're earning but intimate decisions like the reporting that she's not permitted to have an iud removed. tough to say what this judge will do but this case deserves a good, hard look. unless there's information that wasn't presented yesterday and hasn't filtered out to the public over the years, it's tough to make a case that this conservatorship should continue. >> joyce, thank you so much. we'll continue to cover this story. at this hour, final preparations are under way for sunday's pride parade in new york city. it is supposed to be a celebration of love, diversity and inclusion for all community members who are still fighting for equality. but this morning, big controversy is growing over this year's ban again uniformed police officers from participating in sunday's festivities. parade organizers say they're implementing the ban through 2025 because they want to create
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safer spaces for marginalized groups. quote, the sense of safety that law enforcement is meant to provide can, instead, be threatening. and at times, dangerous to those who are in our community who are most often targeted with excessive force and without reason. brian downey, new york gay officer action league. his group has been banned from marching. i'm so glad you're with me. this seems crazy. when they say you can march but cannot wear your uniform, isn't that like the organizers to tell you to stay in the closet? you can be here, but just don't show anybody who you really are. >> good morning, steph. thanks so much for having us today, to be here with you, to talk about this. so the decision, we feel, is hurtful. it's asking us to shed a layer that we voluntarily chose to put on to come into a system to
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affect change, to be the change. every movement we've ever had in this country has always had people working on the inside. it is a little sad and disappointing for our folks. >> is this potentially dangerous for those who are participating? could officers who are assigned to this parade not want to show up on sunday? if you don't want me there, i might not want to protect you, especially given what a charged environment we're in right now. could this get dangerous? >> well, to speak to that, security arpths are handled by the nypd and i know of no one that is going to refuse an assignment to keep any community safe. i think that we do that in a lot of different spaces. and i'm sure that that presence will continue in this space. i mean, if we look at the events of the weekend, although that
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has been classified at this time as an accident, let's say it was not. let's say that we have seen events. i've been on the scene myself here just a few feet from where i'm talking to you right now on the west side highway and halloween a few years ago. we see active shooter situations. so i think that the police will definitely be at pride and they'll definitely be protecting it the way that we always do. >> you have not reached out to the organizers. why not? >> for a number of different reasons. first of all, you know, just to be clear, my membership has voted unanimously to continue a dialogue with the organizers. now when that dialogue starts remains to be seen, but the fact is that we were told that we weren't welcome. and that was really the end of
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that conversation. when we were told we weren't welcome then it came to discussions in the media about what it would look like if we don't wear uniforms but we're not going to engage through the media. we've had a great working relationship with heritage of pride. i'm very proud and i look back since their existence and especially through world pride, some of the out-of-the box things they did as far as training programs for police officers that would be policing the event, what they mean, the historical significance of them, making sure we don't have unnecessary incidents and overpolicing. so i'm proud of the relationship we have. and the way we feel at goal is that we're not going to engaged them through the press.
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you know how to get in touch with us and we expect to hear from you. if you want to come to a membership meeting and talk to us in that space, i think they would like to hear from you and would like to give you some feedback as both being police officers and members of the communities. they would like to give you feedback as well. they are affecting change from within. i would love for that to happen. >> and i do hope you can continue that dialogue. sunday should be be a celebration for all. tomorrow, we will have one of the orgers of the event here with us at 9:00 a.m. thank you, brian, for joining us. thank you for keeping new york city safe. that wraps up this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. hawley jackson picks up our coverage next. hawley jackson picks up our coverage next. wait, wait, wait this helps the environment.
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