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. good morning. it is saturday, december 12th. 39 days until joe biden's inauguration which outgoing president trump is calling illegitimate. right now we're in the midst of a huge news weekend. the supreme court slamming the door shut last night on republicans latest attempt to steal the election and the glimmer of hope, the light at the end of the tunnel in the coronavirus crisis. emergency approval of a vaccine that is expected to start rolling out from a factory in michigan today. let's start there. because right now history is being made in michigan.
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it's a moment to us occasion. the first fda emergency authorized covid-19 made by pfizer and biontech is being packaged and will be loaded on tow trucks which will be flanked by u.s. marshals headed to distribution sites around the country reaching where i am in houston likely sometime tomorrow afternoon. this comes just hours after the fda granted emergency use authorization for that vaccine, which is said to be safe and 95% effective. and in under an hour, the fda will hold a press conference going over the details of the vaccine and rollout and answering questions. we'll bring that to you live when it happens. we're hoping unlike most coronavirus related updates provided by our federal government, this will be a real press conference with real information and real questions being answered. the fda's authorization did not come without controversy as the outgoing trump white house
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threatened the fda chief with an ultimatum. either approve the vaccine by last night or resign. once again, injecting politics into a situation which desperately doesn't need any. it's important to note several serious questions remain about the vaccine including if it remains effective for forever and if it's still going to be several months before most of us get a vaccination. with one of the doctors on the fda authorization panel stressing it could be next fall before things get back to normal. i will discuss that at looent lat length later on in the show with fareed zakaria. and there's warning that more investigation needs to be done into allergic reactions reported among some team who received the vaccine in the united kingdom. right now the post-thanksgiving situation gets worse by the day. the united states hitting grim milestones with average daily deaths doubling in the past two weeks. this week surpassing 3,000
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deaths per day, meaning more people are dying each day from covid-19 than were killed in a single day on 9/11. put another way, that's more than 21,000 people dying each week in america. that's more than can fit inside most arenas in the country and bigger than the difference in votes in several swing states this election. more than 296,000 americans are dead from covid-19. more than the number of americans who died battlefield deaths during the four years of world war ii. we are on track to pass the 300,000 mark this weekend. the country set daily new covid-19 records on several straight days this week. now at around 230,000 a day, which without factoring daily ongoing increases equates to more than 1.6 million new cases a week. hospitals around the country are stressed. they're at or beyond capacity. there are only so many people, the heroes working the front lines can treat and save.
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president-elect joe biden says amongst the main goals for his first 100 days of office will be vaccinating 100 million americans and reopening the majority of schools across the nation. in addition to his call for all americans to wear a mask. on the other hand, the outgoing administration and an alarming number of followers continue to try to destroy our democracy and overturn the will of the people. i'm in texas today. the state behind the ridiculous lawsuit that sought to delay monday's electoral college vote, but only in four battleground states won by joe biden. that lawsuit was roundly rejected by the united states supreme court last night. the suit suffered from a multitude of legal issues, mainly its goal was unconstitutional since texas or any state has no legal right to involve itself in the voting rules set by any other state. there's no one federal presidential election in the united states. there are 50 presidential
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elections. perhaps not surprisingly at this point it contained basic factual errors such as misstating the number of electoral votes at stake. even after it was shut down by the supreme court, in addition to having the outgoing president's backing, this ludicrous loawsuit had the support of 106 of the 196 republicans in the house senate. some republicans have spoken out including mitt romney who called it simply madness and senator ben sasse who says the supreme court ruling closed the book on the nonsense. but here's the problem. a new poll shows that a whopping 70% of republicans do not view biden's victory as legitimate. in a truly wild statement responding to the supreme court's ruling against them, the texas gop, which is now led by allen west of all people says secession is the next step
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forward and that states who disagree with the constitution and the supreme court's ruling should bond together and form a union of states. think of it this way, a majority of one of america's two major parties support overturning the results of election in states their candidate lost. before last night's ruling against him, outgoing president trump tweeted the supreme court has a chance to save our country. turns out he was right. and it did. but now that trump has taken so much of the republican party down this dangerous path, it's unlikely the country will get back to normal any time soon. >> they're looking for any thread that they can grasp to try to unravel that victory and to place donald trump back in power. it's the grossest attempt at a coup in american history i think. >> the one thing that is predictable, thank god, is that
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our institutions held and that the courts did their job, and they adhered to the rule of law. the problems are going to persist long after donald trump is out of the white house. he has infected this country with hate and division. he has enabled idiots like that in texas -- >> it is literally shredding the fabric of our democracy. i'm concerned in regard to our elected officials and also -- >> those are the two of the four attorneys general who are fighting back against this ridiculous lawsuit. another one of them will join me in just little while. that's josh kaul, he's the attorney general of wisconsin. despite the fact that the supreme court kicked this off yesterday, in wisconsin that state's supreme court, which has a republican majority, has agreed to hear the trump case today at about 1:00 p.m. eastern. now, they are trying to overturnaboutoverturn
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about 200,000 votes, that's not likely to happen, but that is still being heard. there is nothing at the moment stopping the electoral college from voting on monday as planned. even if something were to go wrong in wisconsin, overturning wisconsin's votes are not enough to affect the outcome. that is story number one. this is a split screen. that's story number one. story number two is that vaccine. my colleague, gabe gutierrez is live in the city of portage, kalamazoo, michigan. the people there who understand the thing that will be part of the end of the worst pandemic in our lifetimes is coming from their hometown. >> certainly. there's a lot of pride in this pfizer facility here. this is just the largest manufacturing facility in what
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really is a global company here. the workers here take great pride in what they do. this facility handles many other vaccines, many other medical products that pfizer has, but this is the vaccine that really the world has been looking 59 right now. and for it to come out of this facility outside of kalamazoo, michigan is extraordinary. we're speaking with some in the medical community here just earlier this week at one of the local medical schools that runs a clinic here. the anticipation was incredible. they don't know exactly when they'll get the vaccine. they expect it in the next couple days or weeks. now with this huge, huge logistical challenge that different parts of the country will get this. different states are being given this vaccine, allocated this vaccine based on population, for example, california getting more than 300,000 initial doses, medium-sized states, you know, getting 50,000, 60,000 for
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example, some of the smaller states like wyoming, hawaii getting 5,000, 6,000 doses initially. as this continues into the winter and the months, this is just going to be an incredible logistical challenge for pfizer. also if the moderna vaccine gets similar authorization in the coming weeks and months, you know, this is just something that medically, you know, think about where we were just nine months ago. this is just simply historic that we're seeing this happen in such a short amount of time relatively in the medical community. this part of michigan is looking forward to this immensely. pfizer has another facility in wisconsin as well that is storing some of this vaccine. as we understand it, the vaccine is ready to be shipped out from this facility here in michigan. it's a massive freezer farm. workers here will be working diligently over the coming hours
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to be able to rush this vaccine out there. ali? >> you just wave your arms wildly or let your producer sue know that you have something, and when start moving i want to see it. you'll see a rare thing happen when that happens. you'll see ali velshi stop talking for a few moments. thank you, my friend. gabe gutierrez for us in portage, michigan. we will not take our eye off that scene all day. keep it here on msnbc. we'll monitor what's happening at that pfizer facility. in less than an hour, the fda is scheduled to hold a news conference. we'll bring you that live as well. today is the premier of msnbc's newest broadcast "the cross connection." tiffany cross unpacks news from the week from fresh diverse voices from a cross section of
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as states gear up to start receiving and distributing the first batch of coronavirus vaccines, some officials in florida are expressing disappointment because of the state's large population of older adults, they hoped that would mean more doses available to floridians. distribution was determined by overall population size, putting the sunshine state lower than officials were expecting. chris jansing is outside a local
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o hospital that will be among the first to receive the vaccine and preparing to distribute it. good morning to you. >> good morning. they're ready to go here. they were told to be ready to go as early as this morning. it's a wait and see when these doses actually arrive. they can't come soon enough for the health professionals here. florida is a state that has 1.1 million cases of the coronavirus. this is one of five hospitals, tampa general, that will get these initial doses. there are also two counties, only two counties where nursing homes will get doses. one of them is down the road. take a look at those numbers. the governor saying just yesterday he's disappointed that florida, because 1 out of 5 residents is over 65, he thought they would get more. about 180,000 doses. the first round, 97,500 of them
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going to the front line workers at those five hospitals. what they're going to do is use all of them right away. this is a two-dose vaccine. they'll use all of these doses first and then they're going to continue to, with the second round, give the people the second dose. there are also 365,000 people who either live or work in nursing homes here, but that's just under 2% of the population, it represents 40% of the deaths, ali, in florida. so they're waiting as well. no requirement that anybody who lives or works in a nursing home has to take it. but there are going to be far, far, far more people than the initial doses they have to give. cvs and walgreens will put together strike teams to go into nursing homes to give the vaccinations. the president of the hospital here says all of this represents hope for the community.
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having said that, there was a survey of hospital workers in miami that suggested not everybody is ready to get this in the first round. so there's going to be a big job for both local officials and obviously the biden administration to convince everyone this is safe and effective. ali? >> thank you, my friend. we will continue to check in with you. chris jansing for us in florida. turning to our other top story, even with the supreme court rejecting texas' ridiculous lawsuit based on a false fantasy, the outgoing president whipped his followers into such a frenzy that things are bound to become violent. officials in multiple states have been on the receiving end of violent threats at the hands of trump supporters, some now require police protection including in michigan where the 16 presidential electors will
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get escorts. dozens of people, some reportedly armed, showed up at the home of its secretary of state. that michigan secretary of state, jocelyn benson joins me now. she wrote the book on the role each secretary of state should play in elections. how are you and your family doing? a number of us live in the public sphere and threats come. they are serious. when you and your family and your home are targeted, that feels awful. >> it does. and in part because it's not just you they're targeting, it's not you and your place of work, it's people showing up to your private residence. i'm supportive of people raising their voices, sharing their concerns with those who represent them in government, there's a time and place for that, and it's not in the dark of night on a saturday night in a private residence while i'm trying to put my kid to sleep. that's what happened. it crossed the line. you know, we're strong. we're tough, and just as our
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democracy is resilient, so are we. >> i was speaking to your attorney general last night, dana nessel, who says that your state is now providing security to electors, the 16 electors, which is fascinating. i'm not sure in most cases americans knew who these electors were, how the process worked, what actually happens on monday when they gather in their states, some virtually, some physically, to cast their ballots for the president. these are just people who are -- they're told -- it's determined what they have to do, and they're just executing a responsibility assigned to them by the constitution. >> it is. it's a ceremonial act that they do. it's an honor. it's a great thing. it's a reflection of all the checks and balances and protocols we have in place to protect democracy and the election. but, yes, it is typically ministerial, typically ceremonial, but a lot of things have been typical this year,
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ceremonial or administrative that have not played out that way given this odd post-election cycle we've had. it will -- the vigilance that we maintained prior to the election, protecting every vote, ensuring the election was secure, that will continue as long as it has to so every one of us can protect those electors and our voters. >> it's been a wild, wild several months in michigan. there was an attempted kidnapping and danger to your governor. there was the armed people outside of polling stations. there was the refusal and then the decision to and then the changing of mind of the wayne county canvassers about wayne county, detroit's results. the president calling republican leaders to the white house to try to convince them of stuff and then this lawsuit. did you ever think that being the secretary of state of michigan was going to involve all this? >> i certainly know that anyone
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who firmly stands on guard for democracy for our voters are aware throughout history how in different ways people have born attacks for doing that. as a voting rights lawyer, started my career in alabama and was inspired by selma and everything that occurred there to protect the right to vote. that is part of our history. it's unfortunate and unfortunate it's happening now, especially because there's a lot of hateful rhetoric coming from leaders and false information feeding conspiracy theorys that have no basis in fact that are then turning out individuals who feel very upset and are expressing that displeasure in potentially violent ways or at least with violent threats. that's happened all year. it's been escalating. it's continuing to escalate, which is concerning. every step of the way truth prevailed. the voters have spoken. the election is done and we remained safe. that's what i hold on to knowing we're on the right side of history, on the side of truth and on the side of democracy. >> jocelyn benson, thank you for
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joining me. thank you every time we needed you to bring us up to speed because the country's eyes have been on michigan for the last several weeks. jocelyn benson, the secretary of state of michigan. the united states supreme court shutting down the attempts to overthrow votes comes as the wisconsin state supreme court agreed to hear the appeal of a trump lawsuit looking to overturn that state's results. that's happening today. they're going to hear oral arguments today at around 1:00 p.m. eastern in madison, wisconsin. the argument by the trump lawyers is seeking to invalidate more than 221,000 wisconsin votes. all of that is happening about 48 hours before the electoral college meets. they will meet in their individual states to cast votes and declare an official winner. joining me now is josh kaul, the attorney general of wisconsin, one of the attorneys general who was fighting back against this
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supreme court move. attorney general kaul, good to see you. many people saw this decision by the supreme court last night, which was even supported by the three trump appointees on the supreme court not to hear this ridiculous texas lawsuit. and have left with the idea that, okay, this is over. the electors get to cast their ballots on monday. is that true of wisconsin? >> it's not quite true yet. thanks for having me. we have a state supreme court argument today that will be the final stage in the trump campaign's challenge to the results in wisconsin. there are some other pending federal lawsuits i should mention, but this is a case that was decided just yesterday by a circuit court judge who rejected the trump team's argument. the state supreme court took that up quickly because the electoral college is meeting soon. i have every confidence that just as courts have consistently done across the country, this challenge is going to be rejected. >> just to bring our viewers up to speed, my numbers might be out of date, but there have been
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about 56 total cases brought by donald trump, the trump campaign, republican interests, about 47 of them have been dismissed, denied, withdrawn. in three they were given relief which generally meant recounting some ballots. no fraud has been found but the trump campaign is fixated on wisconsin and two counties in wisconsin which, to my eye, are defined by the fact that they have large minority populations and large populations that voted for joe biden. they're not suggesting that something is wrong with all of wisconsin's voting. white people rural votes apparently no problem in wisconsin. >> well -- one of the many reasons this challenge is a problem we have a situation here where the challenge is only being brought in two counties, that's where the majority of black wisconsinites live. it's not challenging the results should be overturned because of fraud, it's a challenge saying that the laws in place are no
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good. but they're not asking for the same restrictions to be imposed in the rest of the state. just asking for 200,000 plus voters to be disenfranchised in our two largest counties. >> what's the connection between the supreme court of the united states yesterday saying tex as doesn't have an interest in this and this case? really this case in wisconsin is not dissimilar to what the argument might have been if that texas case was allowed to go to the supreme court. josh shapiro of pennsylvania, the attorney general there, mused last night that he almost wished the supreme court got to hear the case so that they could actually properly decide it and end this thing. at some point there's nothing wrong with the way your election was conducted in wisconsin. the campaign is trying to suggest that the access given to these voters was fraudulent -- not fraudulent but wrong. >> yeah. they're arguing that our election policies are illegal. the problem with that is the
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policies were in place long before the election. the trump campaign didn't challenge those policies beforehand. so voters cast their ballots on reliance of those policies this case is different than what we saw in front of the u.s. supreme court, there the case was rejected on standing grounds. they said texas didn't have an interest in the case. here the trump campaign has a procedure under our statutes to challenge the results, with you these are challenges that should have been brought months and months ago, not after ballots have been cast when they're trying to take away peoples right to vote. >> yesterday alphabet a judge dismissed this case, immediately the supreme court agreed to hear it. what do you think will happen? it's a republican majority supreme court, but they did understand the urgency of it, which is why there are oral arguments today. they're time limited. i think about an hour on each side. then you expect maybe by the end of the day the supreme court would have made a decision? >> i expect they'll rule very
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quickly given how soon the electoral college is going to be meeting. i have every confidence that the court will reject this challenge. it was brought, again, after voters have cast their ballot. we have a right to vote under our federal constitution and our state constitution, and the trump team is trying to take that right away. we'll stand up and make sure we're protecting the will of the voters. i have every confidence the supreme court will support that. >> we always appreciate your time. i also appreciate what appears to be a cat over your right shoulder. >> he's decided to join us. >> we appreciate that. thanks to you and your cat. attorney general josh kaul of washington. thank you. congress passed a week-long stop gap measure friday to ensure the government stays open giving members one more week to ne negotiate a deal on covid relief. nancy pelosi says she will bring members back if nothing passes.
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earlier this week it looked likely a bipartisan bill could be passed as a group of senators came together for a 9$908 billin package which etched a deal between the parties including a limited liability shield for corporations and funding for state and local governments but it did not include direct payments to americans. call your members of congress. call your senators about this. that bill is being stalled by one person, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. he will not bring it to the floor unless a group of senate republicans will vote yes. chuck schumer had choice words for the majority leader on thursday. >> you'll hear voices say democrats want to fund state and local services while republicans, that is leader mcconnell, want a corporate liability shield. each side wants something that the other side doesn't want to accept. as i said, this is a false
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equivalency. incredibly false. >> we've said this week after week, time is running out. americans cannot wait. starting on december 26th, benefits will expire for many struggling to make ends meet. here's what could be lost if congress doesn't act. 12 mill yion americans will los their unemployment benefits extended by the c.a.r.e.s. act first passed in march. also expiring the use of ppe funds, student loan deferral, the federal moratorium on evictions ends on december 31st. that means 40 million americans could be kicked out of theirout middle of a pandemic and in winter. joining me now is mondaire jo s jones, he is a congressman from the bronx. i want to give viewers who don't know you a bit of a bio on you. you grew up as you tweeted the other day, you grew up in
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section 8 housing. you understand the connection between poverty, housing, opportunity. it is something that is not well felt in the congress of the united states right now. >> it is not well felt in the congress of the united states. i think we need more people in congress who know what it's like to struggle. who have faced food insecurity. i think if we had more people like that, we wouldn't be dealing with the mitch mcconn l mcconnells and his co-conspirators of the world who are trying to block cash payments to the people who are struggling to make ends meet. let me clarify, i'm from westchester and rockland counties, i don't represent the bronx. >> westchester, rockland, the new york 17th district. thank you for that. let me ask about the distinction. it shouldn't be partisan, there's a distinction between that senate 9$908 billion bill and what people like you and
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senator bernie sanders who i spoke to last week want. america's businesses and employees need direct payments in some fashion or they need their employers to keep paying them like they do in some parts of europe. this limited liability thing that republican s want to do is like insurance. they are putting money into the stimulus plan to protect companies who might be sued by workers who say they put them in danger by causing them to work in conditions that have exposed them to coronavirus. that's what republicans actually want to do with our taxpayer money. >> you cannot make this up. you know, while democrats in the house and in the senate are fighting to ensure that the american people, working people have the resources they need to cover the cost of housing, to put food on the fabtable for themselves and families, and to cover the cost of child care that we don't talk enough about, it's extremely expensive on a monthly basis in this country,
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republicans are harping over an immunity basically, legal immunity for corporations who have forced their employees to go into work under unsafe conditions in the midst of a global pandemic. so it shows you who republicans are fighting for, those are corporations. who democrats are fighting for, the american people. >> what is your next move? what do you do? you have not taken office yet. there is some sense that obviously you won't be joining congress to fight a president who doesn't want to do these things, presidential leadership could be flueinfluential in get these things passed. some people say life won't get back to normal until next summer or next fall. this light at the end of the tunnel is fantastic, i'm happy about the vaccine, but the tunnel is dark, the tunnel is cold and the tunnel is long before life gets back to normal for working people, many of whom are food insecure and don't get health care. >> until i am sworn in on
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sunday, january 3rd, i will use my platform to raise awareness about the obstruction happening right now in the united states senate. the deprivation of basic resources. i don't call these stimulus checks, i call these survival checks. >> right. >> this is not about jolting the economy, this is about making sure people can live over the course of the next few months. so i'm going to be using my voice to raise awareness about this issue and encourage people to call their members of the senate, especially if you're represented by people like mitch mcconnell and let them know that regardless of party i.d. you need the government to work for you. >> i'm glad you brought up the point of stimulus. the net effect of this is to get us back to where we were. that's not stimulative at all. that's literally checks -- i keep getting emails from people, you must hear them from your constituents who are getting evicted. they can't make their rent. they're months behind on their
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rent. the number of people who are $5,000 and more behind on their rent, wage earners who earn $7, $8, $9 an hour, cannot make up 5 $5 thoush $5,000. businesses are saying i don't need another loan, i need help to survive. we get americans to the other side of this thing by next summer, we can be okay. >> we can be okay, and i think we will be okay under the leadership of flepresident-elec biden and vice president-elect kamala harris and people working with them on a bipartisan basis to the extent that republicans will come to the table on behalf of people who elected them to serve and do right by the folks who are struggling which are tens of millions of americans who just want to live in the midst of this pandemic. >> congressman, i want to repeat something you said to us on nbc news on election day, which i
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think is important about who you are. growing up poor, black and gay, i never imagined someone like me could run for congress let alone win. you ran, you won, you're here, and you're going to washington, sir. thank you for your service and thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you. happy to be here. >> mondaire jones congressman-elect from the 17th district, westchester and rockland. it is north of the bronx. almost after a year of despair, we got a glimmer of hope. a coronavirus vaccine ready to ship to the american public. getting here was not easy. we have a lack of leadership to blame for that. the journalist and author extraordinai extraordinaire, fareed zakaria, he joins me next to talk about it. it eliminate odor instead of just masking it. and is made with 3x more odor fighters. with secret, keep it fresh every day.
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that the fda has approved the pfiz pfizer/biontech vaccine. shipments coming nearly a year after first known cases were reported in december of 2019. since then over 1.5 million people died from the virus globally. more than 71 million people have been infected. tens and perhaps hundreds of millions of people have been left jobless and financially devastated from the fallout. in the united states the trump administration bungled the stance from the start, policies didn't make sense. and trump ignored his top scientists and the larger medical community and told lies about how to handle this. all of that leading to this point today where many americans don't trust this vaccine, a treatment that should be life changing and should get the world back to normal, whatever normal looks like. in his brand-new book, "ten lessons for a post-pandemic world" journalist and author fareed zakaria tackles this
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particular issue among nine others. people should listen to experts and experts should listen to people he experts should listen to people. he writes, quote, in many countries you can see the same dynamics at work with people suspicious of the establishment, relying on their own sources, doubting credentialed authorities and placing partisanship over the truth, end quote. this dynamic, he says, is the result of the most significant political trend of the last decade, the rise of populism worldwide. my old friend, fareed zakaria, to talk about this, plus the other lessons learned for this post-pandemic world. thank you for joining me. it is an absolute pleasure to see you in person. i saw you the other day with rachel and now it's a treat to have you here. you know on this show on countless occasions i decried the current administration's effect on our institutions, including like the cdc. this week the administration put pressure on the fda and other
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ip institutions. let's talk about the distrust of credentials and authorities lessening as the world recovers from this pandemic. how do you fix that particular problem? >> first, it's a huge pleasure to see you. i remember many, many conversations we had when i was at cnn. i don't know if i'm allowed to say that, i think it's a great losses for cnn and one of the great gains for msnbc. i watch you with pleasure but also with a little bit of jealousy and feel like we should have found a way to keep you. having gotten that out of the way, i think trump is playing with fire when he does what he's been doing throughout his presidency. there is a reality that i talk about in the book, which is that we have moved through a world and we can see it accelerated in this pandemic, a world in which there is a cognitive belief -- the best way to think about it
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is if you manipulate words, letters, images, symbols, numbers for a living. in other words, if you are a symbolic analyst, you are doing fine. you may not be able to do it perfectly but look at us. if you're a doctor, lawyer, businessman, consultant. but if you work with your hands in some way, you work at a restaurant, a hospital, retail, a cruise ship, a theme park, this is the great of depression. there's this big divide, which is not just an inkcome divide, it's a class divide. people are telling people who are not as well off who feel the world is leaving them behind, don't trust the expert, don't trust the establishment, don't trust people who have fancy degrees and it feeds on a class resentment and cultural resentment.
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the danger here is you are going to create a world in which these people believe conspiracy theories, concoct their own information, listen to people who tell them what they feel is the right thing to do. and he's preying on them. he's preying on people who are feeling down and out and are looking for some simple answer as to why it's happening. the reason he's doing this of course is it works for him. but it's terrible for democracy and it going to 's going to be - there are going to be vaccine conspiracy theories. is donald trump going to get up there three months from now and say this is all nonsense, the experts are right, listen to dr. fauci this time. i hope he does but i'm not holding my breath. >> you're right. i was reading last night in the book, you talk about historical moments like the plague that brought about societal int
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introspecti introspection, causing massive change and bringing about errors like the renaissance and reformation. what do you think about this? this is kind of the biggest thing we've seen in our lifetimes. is this enough to spark on dealing with inequality and ignorance that is spreading around the world? >> i hope so. think about what this pandemic has done. it has made us realize, first of all, as you say, we are not secure unless all of us are secure, by that i mean health care. we have a bigger problem by many in the world because people were scared to get tested. they didn't know if they could afford the test. then they didn't know if they turned out positive, they couldn't afford the treatment. that is bad for everyone. that is a public health issue, not just one for an individual. so it makes clear the advantage at the very least of having everybody have access to dose
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ent health ca -- decent health care. and take, for example, the relief checks. you were right, they should not be called stimulus checks. what is happening here is for no fault of anybody. i understand businesses going under if they're managed incompetently, if they go into the wrong business and there isn't demand there. i understand people having financial difficulties if they don't work hard and get the training they need. none of that is happening. people have seen their wages plummet. they have seen their jobs disappear because they are out of work through no fault of their own. government has decreed they can not work. restaurants in new york are being shut down by law. in that circumstance if the government is not going to provide rerelief, who is? it's almost inhuman for the government to pass a law and say you can't do certain things and
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take part in certain activities and not compensate you. i hope there is a realization that a lot of times people have problems. a lot of times there is market failure where if the government doesn't step in, people will starve. >> fareed, i miss our conversations. you're one of the smartest people i know but you write some of the easiest stuff to read. author of "ten lessons for a post-pan dem demic world." thank you, my friend. >> we're just moments away from an fda press conference. we'll bring that live to you when we return. g that live to yu when we return fading and fuzzing that happens throughout the wash process.
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. good morning. it is saturday, december 12th, i'm ali velshi. breaking news as the food and drug administration officially authorized pfizer's covid-19 vaccine for emergency use in the united states. the treatment, the first of its kind given a green light to combat the deadly coronavirus which has woven a path of destruction across the

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