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good thursday morning, everyone. craig melvin here. spoker nancy pelosi just started talking to reporters. so far she's talked about that presidential debate, saying the president has no respect for the office that he holds. now she is talking about those on going covid relief package negotiations. let's listen in. >> -- to the wealthiest people in our country, $150 billion. in the heroes act we take that out. they put in $150 billion which is more money than they spent on state and local in the c.a.r.e.s. act. in the heroes act, we had $149 billion for refundable tax credit, for the earned income tax credit and child tax credit, refundable, $149 billion, almost the same amount.
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in the interest of coming down, we came down to $54 billion by changing the timetable, but nonetheless, came down two-thirds almost to $54 billion. they have zero in their proposal. they still want to keep $150 billion tax break for the wealthiest in our country and have zero in terms of a refundable tax -- child tax credit and earned income tax credit that addresses the poorest of the poor. when i sent out the letter saying we had this bill and we had tremendous response, every possible kind of organization in our country who cares about how government meets the needs of the american people supporting our legislation, i framed the legislation in terms of what it means to a family of four making $20,000 a year.
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you probably saw that. i don't have to go into all of it. some of it relates to these tax credits i'm talking about which make a big difference in their lives, what happens in terms of health care, what happens in terms of the they become unemployed. it is about the children and how their needs are addressed. and that's how we have to look at this. we're looking at it from the standpoint of a family making 20,000 a year, a family of four, and they're looking at it from the standpoint of $150 billion to the wealthiest people in our country. that's why we not only have a dollars debate, we have a values debate. still i'm optimistic. we've come to terms in the baugh park of some things, still way off in state and local government. state and local governments, our
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heroes, health care workers, teachers, sanitation, transportation, food workers, the people who make it possible for us to be here, they make government function, state and local. we're still far apart on that. we're far apart on, again, the fundability that we talked about already. again, we are coming closer on money from our health provisions in the bill. it's just a question of the language because we've had provisions before, but the language was not adhered to. so that's a question of language. we're coming closer on small business, but we have the restaurant and small venues for stages, et cetera. we're not in agreement as to how that all would be treated because ppp is one initiative.
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that other finish ti, a grant from the secretary of treasury as opposed to a loan from a bank. i'm hopeful we can work that out. that's a big piece of the legislation. so those are just some examples of how we are trying to reach common ground. then, of course, everything always comes back to health care. health care, health care, health care. that's how we won the congress in 2018. it was the most -- the three most important issues for american families, health care, health care, health care. their good health, of course, but their financial health as well. the president, of course, on the very day that ruth bader ginsburg left us, ten states were already voting. we're already in a presidential election. he's rushing this so he can get to court in time to be there for the november 10th oral arguments
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to overturn the affordable care act. we're saying to everyone vote their health. what they're out to do is overturn the affordable care act. that means no more benefit for, if you have a pre-existing medical condition. that means eliminate the preventive care and free exam every year which is very, very popular in our country. >> okay. we have been listening to house speaker nancy pelosi provide her weekly update to the press. she started by talking about that disaster of a presidential debate on tuesday. she said that it has kept her up at night since the debate. she hasn't slept for two nights, and she also spent some time talking about what appears to be quite the chasm when it comes to those on going negotiations between her and house democrats and the white house on another
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round of relief -- covid relief. leigh ann caldwell is on capitol hill for us this morning. i also want to bring in nbc senior business correspondent stephanie ruhle as well. leigh ann, let me start with you. we heard there from the speaker the biggest headline. what are still the major sticking points in these negotiations? >> reporter: hey, craig. the speaker just laid out a long list of things where they're very far apart with the administration and these negotiations. she said it's not just a dollars debate, but a values debate. she goes on to say this idea of tax credit, she wants a child tax credit. the administration wants a business tax credit, tax credit for the wealthy. she also mentions this idea of state and local funding. the administration has come up in these negotiations, but it's still not where democrats stand. so pelosi is at about $2.2
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trillion, secretary mnuchin is at about $1.6 trillion it's the closest the two sides have been through out the last few months, but there's still $600 billion apart. speaker pelosi held off a vote on her new $2.2 trillion plan in the hopes that negotiations would provide -- would prove fruitful today. we'll watch and see where things go. speaker pelosi did not sound optimistic with her long list of things where they are still far apart, yet she did say that she is optimistic. so we have to kind of read between the lines and compare her words with her tone here. but today is going to be a critical day to see if they can come to an agreement, craig. >> while they are far apart on state and local relief, it does appear as if the administration and the speaker are in lockstep on the amount of money that should be spent on testing and tracing, roughly $75 billion.
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steph, here's the thing. relief cannot come soon enough for the roughly 837,000 americans who just filed for unemployment benefits. more are at risk of losing their jobs. millions are struggling. give us a reality check about the state of our economy right n now. >> craig, the first thing you said i think is most important. the fact they're in lockstep around contact tracing and testing, we cannot forget the economic crisis we're in is in lockstep with the health crisis. while you keep hearing the president talk about we want to get back to things, let's reopen, let's reopen. you can't reopen unless you're funding it. that has a lot to do with this stimulus package. you said it a moment ago. in the last week we've got 834,000 new americans filing for unemployment benefits. on tuesday night when the president said we're in a v
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recovery, we're not. we're in a k recovery. "today" shows that more than ever. people on top are doing well, especially those invested in the stock market, maybe better than ever. people in the middle on the bottom are continuing to do worse. take that 830,000 people, attach that to the 26 million already on unemployment, and you've got big companies, disney, goldman sachs, marathon oil. the list goes on and on that have announced this week they'll be laying off tens of thousands of people. when people don't have jobs and they don't have money, they're not putting money in the economy, and in that new bill the democrats are putting forward, you've got that restaurant bill in there. we've already lost 100,000 restaurants and bars in the last six months. unless there's a real injection of cash, we're going to lose more. there's a lot of talk because the c.a.r.e.s. act funding is obviously runding out today, that we could lose up to 50,000 airline jobs. i do want you to think about this. the airline industry has huge lobbying efforts.
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they get face time with the president, secretary mnuchin. think about all the mom and pops out there that don't have those efforts and they're suffering every single day. many americans and businesses that do not give a flying hoot about politics, but they want to take care of their families and they're going to need support to make that happen. >> good point there, steph, about the small businesses who don't have the lobbying power as the airline industries. right now, folks, we're keeping a close eye on the white house where the press secretary is going to start a briefing any minute now. we are going to keep an eye and an ear on that for you. we will let you know if we hear anything about those relief negotiations that we're talking about or if there's anything else noteworthy to pass along. but again, we are watching for that. we'll keep an eye on it for you. in the next hour president trump is going to head to his
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golf club in new jersey for a fund-raiser. nbc's carol lee and julia ainsley both have new reporting from inside the white house. carol, let's start with you. you've got some insight on how the president's debate performance is playing there inside the white house with some of his aides and allies. what more can you tell us about that? >> reporter: craig, i can tell you even as the president and his allies are publicly praising his performance in the debate, privately a number of people around the president are worried about how he conducted himself on the debate stage. they said one of them described the debate as a colossal waste of time. aides have described to us as in shock, particularly over the president's comments about proud boys. their argument is the best outcome they can hope for is they didn't lose any voters. the president needed to do more than not lose voters. he needed to gain voters.
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it's not clear from even their perspective that he did that. there's a lot of concern about how he performed. they're looking at how he didn't prepare traditionally at all and saying maybe that was part of the problem. even though he didn't do the traditional type of debate prep we've seen from other politicians, the president did go into the debate armed with some responses that were rehearsed. he just didn't turn to them according to people who helped prepare him, particularly when it came to the 1994 crime bill. he was supposed to attack joe biden over that when it came out and point to alice johnson who was in the audience at the debate, 65-year-old grandmother who spent more than two decades in prison for a non-violent drug offense and ask former vice president to apologize to her. the president didn't do that. instead he turned to talking about his poll numbers among african-americans. so there's some consternation among the president's team.
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they're looking at the next debate and essentially saying this is a different format. voters asking some of the questions, they hope that's different. one thing they want the president to do that he didn't do in this debate is let joe biden talk. they think that's potentially one of their best assets, to let him talk and try to prove their argument and the narrative they've been pushing which is that the vice president is not entirely there, craig. >> julia, you also have new reporting as well. here is the headline, for folks his seng on sirius satellite radio, i'll read it. "internal documents shows trump officials were told to make comments sip thetic to kyle rittenhouse." >> these weren't just any officials, these are law enforcement officials. an internal memo that went out to all of department of homeland security for anyone who might be asked about what happened on august 25th in kenosha, wisconsin when kyle rittenhouse
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used an ar-15 against three protesters, killing two of them. he has now been charged with multiple homicides. >> i think we just lost julia's microphone. we will try to get her back. sorry about that, julia. again, it's certainly an article worth reading if you get a chance. live television in the middle of a pandemic. carol lee, julia ainsley, big thanks to both of you. the biden campaign just had its best day ever, at least when it comes to fund-raising. democratic presidential nominee raising more than $21.5 million online wednesday after the debate, the highest number for the biden campaign in a single day. it has "the new york times"
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shane gold macker points out, when you add that to the $10 million raised on debate night, you have a $31.5 million haul in a little over a day. this morning we're hearing from a group of voters in a state that's essentially a must-win for president trump's re-election fight, ohio. their discussion is revealing just how joe biden has been able to close a gap with a demographic that went big for president trump back in 2016. msnbc senior national correspondent chris jansing takes us to lorraine, ohio, where she talked to a group of white male working class voters. chris jansing, what did you find out? >> reporter: they did not hold back, craig. i'm on a railroad long since defunct. there was supposed to be a commuter rail to replace this. it never happened. just in may the u.s. steel plant
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went under. it's exactly that, those losses, tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs that got so many voters, non-college educated, white males to vote for donald trump in 2016, but they clearly, according to the polls, are drifting away. we wanted to sit down with some of those union guys to find out where their head is now regarding donald trump. wait until you hear what they told me. >> one of the reasons he appeals to me is because he thinks bigly. he gets moving in a big way to make big projects. >> the problem is you're believing the lie of a liar. i have two friends of mine who said they were sucked in by someone they thought was going to change the country, and they said he did. he made it worse. they can't wait to get him out. >> there's a lot of secret people sitting back, they go to work, take care of their kids, they'll be showing up on the 3rd of november. >> i think it's the opposite. there's a silent majority that's going to vote for joe biden, not donald trump this time. >> i don't think there's a
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secret republican group out there for votes. i think joe is going to win by a landslide. that's what i think. >> one of the most interesting things to me about that conversation is i've been traveling these battleground states everywhere on both sides, there's angst, uncertainty, not with these union guys. they believe their candidate is going to win. they're not worried about what's going to happen on election night. and the trump voters, the real core voters, they are with him 100%. they're going door-to-door, making the phone calls even now. why is this so important? he can't win without them. and he can't win without ohio. no republican has ever won the presidency without it, craig. >> chris jansing knows ohio better than just about anyone else, her home state. chris, thank you so much. the next presidential debate could look a bit different. how organizers may change the structure to stop what we saw
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more dangerous and corrupt president than trump. he's harming our basic values, giving rise to hate, and he's selling out america to big corporations. i'm working to protect immigrants, women, communities of color, and lgbtq people. and i'm making corporations like pg&e and insurance companies play by our rules. we need experienced leadership to wipe away trump's stain on america for good.
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south carolina has not
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elected a democrat to the senate since 1998, not in more than 22 years. it was fritz hole links. a new poll shows republican senator lindsey graham is in a dead heat with democratic challenger jamime harrison. steve kornacki is at his trusty big board. steve, what are you seeing in these numbers out of south carolina specifically? >> what's interesting, craig, it's been pretty consistent. we started seeing polls a couple months ago showing harrison running close with graham. here we are. we're in october with polls like this still coming out. this is looking like -- there's still the possibility that trump wins south carolina and pulls graham over the top. that's certainly their hope. democrats are starting to look
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at south carolina as a race they could pick up potentially. if they did, the context is democrats are trying to get control of the u.s. senate. they'd like biden to win the presidency, they'd like to hold the house. if they can get a net gain of three, get up there to 50 senate seats, the vice president, kamala harris, would break the tie. that would give them control of everything. it would give them that trifecta. just to put this south carolina polling in some perspective, already there are five republican incumbents up for re-election this year who are currently trailing in the polls to some degree. some very close in iowa, but trailing to some degree in their states. then you add in a second layer. that's where south carolina comes in. here is lindsey graham tied right now. you've got five republicans who are behind. you've got graham who is tied. by the way, you've got close polling in montana, even in georgia. democrats needing that net gain of three. there's certainly no shortage of targets for them here.
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i would add there's one on the other side here, alabama, where the democratic opiniincumbent d jones looks like he's in traubl. democrats would need to pick up four at least, get biden the presidency and the numbers would be there. south carolina, the bottom line, when you see polls like that, south carolina is emerging as a key part of that story of the battle for senate control. >> steve, really quickly, i don't know if you know the answer but i'll still ask the question. the senate race in south carolina, is it that mirroring the presidential race? is president trump in trouble in south carolina at all? >> let's see some more polling. if you look at this particular poll yesterday, the presidential race looks a lot like the senate race. however, that's different from the other polling we've been seeing. the other polling we've been seeing has had donald trump continuing to lead in south carolina by six points, eight points, somewhere in that range.
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trump over 50%. we've seen polling that's been showing trump outpacing lindsey graham. trump positioned potentially to win south carolina. graham in a real fight. this new poll again is not showing a difference between those two. i think that's where i want to say stay tuned, let's see if that's something that's picked up in other polls or if you continue to get that disconnect. >> okay. steve kornacki, thank you. i want to bring in evan mcmullin, executive director for stand up republic. evan is also a former cia operative and 2016 independent presidential candidate. good to see you again, sir. how surprised are you to see senator graham apparently so vulnerable in south carolina? >> well, i'm not surprised baugs his leadership in the senate since trump was elected has been absolutely terrible. he's shown himself over the last several years to really have no core.
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he's not committed to the constituti constitution, not committed to serving the american people, he's committed only to his re-election. but the challenge with that is that the republican party and him find themselves in a position where, in order to win a primary battle in the party, in the gop, you've got to pledge allegiance to donald trump. but then once you get to the general election, you've likely turned off so many swing voters, so many reasonable moderate republicans of conscience and right-leaning independents, it's hard to compete. that's what you see with lindsey graham. and according to this latest quinnipiac poll, that's what you see in the presidential as well. where lindsey grant won re-election in 2016 by 15 points, 16 points. now he's in a neck-and-neck dead heat with jaime harrison. the president, if you believe this poll -- polls were already relatively tight compared to past presidential psych lts in south carolina, but if you believe this quinnipiac poll,
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the same thing is true for donald trump. i think that's the challenge that the republican party, senate races -- in senate races and in the presidential face, they simply have turned away moderate republicans of conscience and right-leaning independents of the same category and they're now in dead heats in key races, in key general election races. >> one of the things that's fascinating, evan, to stay on south carolina for a moment, while lindsey graham does seem to be in perhaps some trouble there, the president not so much. most polls still have president trump leading joe biden in south carolina, although that latest q poll shows it pretty tight. what does that tell you? how can voters be fed up with their republican senator but still embrace the republican president? >> well, the quinnipiac poll does show a tighter race. so let's see where it goes from
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there. even the other polls show a tighter race than you'd normally see for the president. to answer your question, craig, about why there may be a disparity between trump's better performance in south carolina is that lindsey graham opposed donald trump. he was a never-trumper. i don't know if he would describe himself that way. he warned the american public in 2015 and '16 about the dangers posed by president trump. in fact, he voted for me in that election and said so ahead of time. after the election, i know lindsey graham made a decision. he needed to decide whether he was going to get on board with trump or continue to fight, and i know that he, after thinking that through, decided that he was going to get on the trump train. that's what he's done and he's said so explicitly. but the result of that is that he's not a big favorite among avid trump supporters because
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they remember what he said about trump to begin with, so they don't trust him. of course, principled republicans and conservatives don't trust him either. he simply has no core. lindsey graham has no core. he's abandoned the american people, abandoned the constitution and he in no way deserves to be re-elected. he's a massive disappointment, i'm sorry to say. he's someone i respected for years, but he's shown his true colors in the last four years and he deserves to be beaten. i think there should be a cross-partisan coalition in south carolina formed by democrats, independents and principled conservatives and republicans to unseat him. >> evan mcmullin, we'll have to leave it there. good to see you. hope you'll come back. >> good to see you, too. while we were having that conversation, the press briefing started at the white house, and we are keeping -- it's happening right now. we're going to just watch and
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listen for you. we are not going to take you there just yet, but we are monitoring. if anything newsworthy is said, we'll pass it along to you. let's not forget, as chris jansing pointed out, people. >> reporter: voalready voting. we'll head to one of the largest counties in florida as they prepare to send out more than a half million ballots today. we'll take you inside the process. plus, quote, if we had a panic button, we'd be hitting it. a new study shows the pandemic's impact on working women, and specifically their careers. >> we have no choice. it wasn't a conscious choice we even made. we have no choice. this is how the chips fall.
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this morning more than 30 states are seeing spikes in coronavirus cases. the majority in the midwest and the plains. let's get you caught up on the latest facts. the cdc is extending the ban on passenger cruises through the end of october. it warns that starting cruise travel up too quickly would
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spread the virus to communities around the country. the ceo of moderna is pushing back that company's timeline for its coronavirus vaccine. the company says it will now not be ready for wide distribution until at least spring of 2021. president trump is the, quote, single largest driver of coronavirus misinformation. that's according to a new cornell university study. that study finds the most common topic from the president is false information about supposed miracle cures. a white house coronavirus task force member brett giroir had this to say about the study. >> do you think it would help p the president was more accurate, though? >> look, the president -- i think he's come out and said mask wearing is important. i think that's very important. he's been supportive of the
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issues we need to bring forward. we all need to double down on having better communication, including myself. we're going to strive to do that. >> we know this pandemic has disproportionately affected black and brown folks all over this country. another group that's been affected, women. a new study by lean in and mckenzie finds one in four women are considering leaving the workforce or scaling back on their careers. the number is higher for women of color. nbc's ali vitali is digging into this study for us. ali, what are you finding out? >> reporter: craig, this study is fascinating, but it's also a blinking red warning light about what's happening to women in the workforce because of the coronavirus pandemic. this is an issue that i have been covering for months as part of my series on the so-called she-session. all this data backs up the
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themes we already saw happening, that child care is a huge issue, burnout is calling people to question their role in the workforce, and that women are ultimately considering opting out of the workforce at higher rates than men. you said it in your intro. one in four women are considering either scaling back or opting out completely from the workforce. this study says that's about 2 million women. then you have to consider mothers specifically. an even higher rate, one in three moms is considering scaling back or leaving the workforce altogether. that means we could see' raises yours of gains of women attaining leaderships in the workforce all from this moment of the coronavirus pandemic. the big question here is why. the study does seek to answer that. we'll pull up one of the pieces of this study that shows seven reasons why women might be considering leaving or scaling back in the workforce. some comes from a lack of flexibility or the need to be always on for work. it's also hard to do that when we know women are bearing the
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brunt more often at home for child care giving and general upkeep around the house. all of that was true before the pandemic but it's been exacerbated before the pandemic. i spoke to a few moms about this choice they've had to go through. some say it's not even really a choice at all. listen to what they said. >> how do we have a career and have kids right now? it feels impossible. >> it wasn't a conscious choice we even made. we have no choice. this is how the chips fall. we're each doing what we have to do to keep our family going strong during the pandemic. >> craig, the big takeaway out of the study is companies need to do more to give women the flexibility and the ability really to stay in the workforce given that this pandemic is still going on. lean in, one of the organizations involved in doing the study said if they had a panic button, they would be pushing it right now, craig. >> my goodness.
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it could very well be the most closely watched state on election night, florida. this morning that state's largest county, miami-dade, is starting to mail out more than half a million ballots. nbc's kerry sanders is at miami-dade county's election office as part of our county-to-county coverage. kerry, how are things looking there and how does it compare to this time roughly four years
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ago? >> reporter: well, of course, there's a tremendous number of people who have chosen to go to mail-in ballot route, versus showing up even for early voting. a lot of that zrirch by the fact that there are fears of coronavirus. but across the state, we have a record number of mail-in ballots heading out. more than 5 million. take a look here, just a short time ago as they were wheeling the mail-in ballots from hand trucks into the back of semi trucks then going to the post office for the mail-in ballots to get out. while it's happening today in miami-dade county, in other parts of the state like west palm beach over in palm beach county, ft. lauderdale, broward county, tampa and hillsborough county, a lot of ballots are already out in the system. as those ballots have been sent out, they're beginning to return. of those sent out, 4.7% of the mail-in ballots sent out have returned. if we want to break it down by
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parties, these are the people within the parties who requested the ballots and have already mailed them back in. 4.1% of republicans who requested them have sent them back. in the democratic party, 5.5% of the democrats who requested mail-in ballots and got them back. when you look at the state, and you pointed out this is a battleground state, if you look back to 2016, separating hillary clinton from president donald trump was 1.2% of the vote. this is very much a purple state. at the end of the day, it's going to look like it will fall to those voters who are not party affiliated or in a minority party. bottom line here is here at the supervisor of elections office, they want to emphasize that whoever votes by mail, it is safe. this is what they had to say a short time ago. >> the deadline is 7:00 p.m. election day, not postmarked,
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not in the mail. we must receive your ballot no later than 7:00 p.m. on election day. these are historic numbers. we have 120,000 more ballots we're mailing out today in the initial run than we have in entire elections in the past. >> reporter: so if you're wondering about democrats, republicans, requesting mail-in ballots, about 25% more democrats have asked for mail-in ballots than republicans. but that's as of today. remember, people can still request mail-in ballots, but already coming back in, they will actually be opened up and run through the machines before election, but not yet. craig. >> okay. kerry sanders for us there in florida where voting already well under way. a pandemic, economic hardship, political polarization, the likes of which we have not seen in a very long time, it's easy to make a list of all the hard things we're
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facing together as a country. my next guest is going to try and give us some hope. the presiding bishop of the episcopal church, there he is. bishop michael curry will join us on the other side of this break. hmm!.. hmm!.. hmm!.. (woman on porch vo) can we vote by mail here? (grandma vo) you'll be safe, right? (daughter vo) yes! (four girls vo) the polls! voted! (grandma vo) go out and vote! it's so important! (man at poll vo) woo! (grandma vo) it's the most important thing you can do!
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i want you to use my words against me. you're on the record. yeah, hold the tape. lindsey must go and the lincoln project are responsible for the content of this ad. a pandemic. an economic crisis. racial justice reckoning. wildfires. hurricanes. for so many of us, these are extraordinarily difficult times. it is easy to feel hopeless. and americans, americans are looking for leaders to bring some stability in these uncertain times. but the deep divisions on display in our presidential politics right now isn't doing a whole lot to ease their concerns for the future. >> i was just so disappointed, you know, it's kind of -- i feel ashamed to be an american after seeing this, you know?
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>> i saw a rudderless ship. i think we're -- i saw a joke. i saw the world laughing at us, i think. >> it's frustration. it's disappointing that those are the two choices in the top two parties. >> so how do we find hope? i want to bring in someone we can ask, the most reverend michael curry, the first black man to be presiding bishop of the u.s. episcopal church. you probably remember his sermon about the power of love at the 2018 wedding of prince harry and maki meghan markle. he's out with a new book, "love is the way: holding on to hope in troubling times." bishop, you always make you smile and you make us think as well. thank you so much for being with me this morning. you heard those voters talk about feelings of shame and disappointment and
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disillusionment. take us to church this morning. what would be your message to address these concerns about our country? >> the reality is we can make it. love is the way. but remember, love is not a sentiment. it's a commitment. it's a decision to live for "we" and not just "me." craig, i came up, i found something that i hadn't really paid attention to that may be of some help. i was digging and trying to figure out the source of the words e pluribus unum which you find on the great seal of the united states. from many, one. or, one out of many. and i discovered it probably dates from cicero in ancient rome. and listen to what cicero said, how you make e pluribus unum. when each person loves the other as much as himself, it makes one out of many. craig, love is the way. seeking the good and the welfare
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of others, not just myself. it is the way to make america america for real. it's the way through this morass. and we can do it. it's a decision. it's a commitment. and if we the people make that decision, we can do it. >> we have to love more. >> yes. >> bishop, our country is so deeply polarized. americans increasingly are living in these echo chambers. we hear only what we want to hear. we watch and listen to things that confirm our world view. how should people meet their fellow americans where they are, and how should we talk to people with delivering beliefs? >> you know, i think it starts by inviting the person to be the person and not the political creature, whatever that happens to be. spend time with each other and say, i want to get to know you as a person and i hope you want to get to know me as a person. we may be able to discuss issues and things later.
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but let's start with understanding each other as people. what would happen if we in our churches, our synagogues, our mosques, decided we were going to bring people together across various differences, across our religious differences, across our political differences, and we were going to sit down and eat together and get to know each other and intentionally spend time together. we must re-knit together this union. if we in the religious community would do it, if we would decide to do this on an individual basis, we could make this work. we the people can perfect this union. we can do it. >> a lot of folks may not know this. you're the son of a civil rights activist. you are the first black man to lead the he episcopal church. you worked on social justice issues a lot longer than most people showed up to the fight.
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how should we talk about race at this inflection point in this country? >> it starts by coming together and having the conversation. there are a lot of programs and things that can facilitate these conversations. one, face the past. we have a past. that great hymn, "lift every voice and sing," has that verse that says "learning from what the dark past has taught us." we as a nation, black, white, brown, indigenous, gay, straight, rich, poor, all of us, face the past, learn from it, don't run from it, don't wallow in it, and then, learning from it, turn in a new direction and make a decision that we are going to work together to build the kind of america, where, as the old slaves used to say, there's plenty of room for all of god's children. we can do that. face the past, learn from it. as maya angelou said, history, despite its wrenching pain,
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cannot be undone. but if faced with courage, need not be lived again. learn from it, turn, then build a new future where we can become the beloved community, e pluribus unum. from many, one. >> bishop michael curry, that's a perfect spot to end it today. thank you so much. and again, the book is out, and i've started reading it. it's a fantastic read, i encourage everyone to pick it up. "love is the way," a book for our times indeed. bishop, thank you. and thank you for joining me today. that's going to do it. "andrea mitchell reports" starts after a short break. it has three times the cleaning power to dissolve kitchen grease on contact. it works great on bathtubs. and even stainless steel. try clean freak from mr. clean. ♪ you know limu,g after all these years it's the ones that got away that haunt me the most.
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good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington, where president trump's allies worry that he blew one of his big chances to regain his momentum after his widely panned debate performance. the president was undeterred last night, making another racially pitched appeal to white voters in a rally in the pivotal state of minnesota, home for years to a population of somalis. another false claim about joe biden. >> another massive issue for minnesotans is the election of joe biden's plan to inundate your state with a historic flood of refugees. [ audience reacts ] biden will turn minnesota into a
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