tv Andrea Mitchell Reports MSNBC June 16, 2020 9:00am-10:00am PDT
good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington where after three weeks of protests following the killing of george floyd, president trump is expected to sign an executive order on police reform, creating a database to track officers involved in multiple incidents of misconduct and encouraging police departments to involve negligent health professionals when handling issues of messages health, homelessness and addiction. but activists want more from washington to prevent what happened to george floyd in minneapolis and rayshard brooks in atlanta. >> it's clear that we do not have another day, another minute, another hour to waste. we saw the worst happen on friday night with mr. brooks.
it angered me and it saddened me beyond words. but i know that it is my responsibility as mayor of this great city for us to continue to work to put that anger and that sadness into action. >> the white house does plan to delegate outside groups to examine chokeholds and use of force policies even as congressional democrats are proposing banning chokeholds immediately and creating a federal standard for the use of force. joining me now on all of this, nbc news white house correspondent and "weekend today" co-host kristen welker, nbc's more can chesky in atlanta, nbc's garrett haake on capitol hill, and "washington post" bureau chief phillip rucker. kristen, first, to you, the president is taking a step, certainly a signal that after much reluctance and refusal to talk about systemic racism, for instance, he is feeling the pressure or they are feeling the political pressure even from
their own republicans on capitol hill. >> that's right, andrea. president trump has been under pressure for weeks to put forward some type of plan as to how he is going to address the key concerns that have been expressed by protesters all across the country. so today is that day, he's going to be signing that executive order that is going to order the doj to look into training and best practices by the police, should chokeholds still be used, that will set up some type of national database to try to track police officers who have been accused the misconduct repeatedly, and to try to put more funds into things like mental health services. but andrea, the devil is going to be in the details. president trump has expressed a willingness to ban chokeholds. will doj determine that ultimately they should be banned? the thinking is that the real teeth will come not necessarily from this executive order but
from any legislative action that takes place on capitol hill. so we'll be listening to his language quite closely as it relates to use of force and also systemic racism. a number of his top officials have said the root of the problem is not systemic racism, a break with what a number of protesters have said. president trump has indicated the same, that he sees this as a problem, as a few bad actors. what will his language be around that today, andrea? those are some of the key questions that we've. and of course you have a number of civil rights groups who say this executive order may be one step in the right direction, but does not go far enough at all. and that is why there is going to be so much focus on the legislation. we know that democrats have unveiled that sweeping plan that would ban chokeholds. republicans are working on a plan, and the thinking is it doesn't go that far at this point, andrea. >> and garrett, over to you, because we see now the rose garden, the stage is set. we see william barr, the
attorney general, of course, mitch mcconnell wearing a mask, the military aides all wearing masks, some of the others not, the white house staff not. and the spotlight now will be on mitch mcconnell. and new reporting from you that he's going to move this more quickly, probably under pressure from tim scott, the african-american republican senator who has been leading the fray in trying to get some compromise negotiated with democrats. >> yeah, mcconnell's presence at the white house is noteworthy. he's largely been quiet on exactly how this process would go, but fast some of his top aides have signaled a shift even just in the last 24 hours or so. some top senate republicans had been saying this wasn't an issue they thought they would go to until after their several-week-long fourth of july break. now, several republicans, including john thune, number two republican in the senate, say they want to try to get this done before they leave for recess in two weeks. we don't have a bill yet, we
haven't seen the text of what tim scott is proposing. democrats are essentially united in what they believe. republicans are still trying to figure out exactly what the majority of their conference can support and what they think the president will actually sign, which is always an incredibly difficult task to pin this president down on anything when it comes to the specifics of legislation. i think the fact that you are hearing now top senate republicans saying they want to move quickly is a recognition of the degree to which this issue has totally captured the public focus, captured the public imagination, and they can't be perceived politically as sitting on their hands in the midst of a crisis of this magnitude across the country. >> and we're seeing tim scott was just center stage, also mark meadows, jim jordan, house republicans, and senate republicans, who are having to wrestle with how do they compromise, how far do they go. such an important signal today that the president is finally moving. but is it far enough? phil rucker, talk to us about how the president has been
wrestling with this and how he has resisted, he's been really tone deaf about the protests around the country. >> he has been, andrea, and we've heard from the president again and again the phrase "law and order." he wants to be seen as standing entirely behind and with police officers around the country and really driftilling down on thatw and order theme regarding his approach to these protests. and yet here we have him showing a little bit of movement here towards some of the policing reform that activists want, but clearly, as kristen was just laying out, it does not go nearly as far as those who have been taking the streets would like to see. and the president has had this very delicate dance where he doesn't want to do anything that's going to alienate or offend the law enforcement community, which is frankly part of his political base. he has counted on support from
sheriffs' associations, from police officers for years now dating back to his first campaign, and he needs them again in his reelection campaign. so look for him to sort of try to signal with his rhetoric today that he hears the protesters and is responding to them. but in reality these steps are not nearly as far as people would like to see. >> and morgan chesky, in atlanta we've seen the passion of atlanta's mayor. she's talked about her role as mayor, as the mother of four people including an 18-year-old son, and what this means to her as a mother and as the mayor of a city, a city known for its african-american leadership, its african-american businesses, for martin luther king jr., for this extraordinary civil rights movement that was really born in atlanta in many ways. and now to see the tumult in the streets. how are the streets today in atlanta? >> andrea, right now the streets
are quiet in atlanta. you mentioned black leadership here having a history in this city. it's something they're very proud of. that's one of the reasons the mayor wanted to get out ahead of this and saying she's already signing an order herself that will be increasing use of force training, that's what's happening from a police reform standpoint. a lot of people are waiting to see what the fulton county district attorney does. on sunday he came out and said charges will be filed, and to expect them mid-week. now everyone is looking to wednesday to see if those involve manslaughter or murder charges. again, there's no shortage of evidence, andrea, we have more than 45 minutes of video gathered from six different cameras as to what happened at this wendy's behind me on friday night when two officers were called to the scene for a man
sleeping in a car. they had a peaceful conversation with him and then when he was attempted to be placed under arrest, obviously that fight happens. he attempted to run off, and as he fired that taser over his shoulder, andrea, that is what police representatives for the union say gave that officer permission to fire those two fatal shots into the back of mr. brooks. as it stands right now, no major protest planned, but with the release of those charges potentially today or tomorrow, that could very much be changing. andrea? >> thanks so much, morgan. joining me now, maya wiley, university professor at the new school, former chair of new york city's civilian complaint review board, and former maryland democratic congresswoman donna edwards. welcome, both. the district attorney laid out what the possible charges could be, murder one, premeditated with intent, murder two, or
involuntary manslaughter. he also said his test would be whether in the moment of the shooting, whether the man running away, whether mr. brooks was a threat to the police officer or to anyone in the area. and being unarmed and not having a lethal weapon and firing a taser beyond the range of the taser, as one police chief told me yesterday, that would seem to indicate that there is going to be a serious charge and he also said that he would be charging the other officer as well if it met that standard. >> yes, you're absolutely right, andrea, and the question here isn't whether they had a right to use some form of force if a weapon was involved. it's that they had already patted mr. brooks down when they were trying to arrest him. they didn't seem to have any indication or belief that there was a gun. he did get ahold of their taser, but the force you are allowed to
use to protect public safety or the officers' safety can't be more than the force necessary for that protection. so even if the officers say, but we were afraid, he had our taser, to your point, the question is, what danger did the taser pose? certainly not more than their gun. and they had tasers. so they chose lethal force in a situation where someone who didn't seem to pose a significant danger to the public. and that's why it's so important that we talk about not just what excessive force policies are but when and how the police are liable for going way beyond the force that's necessary. >> i want to ask donna about mayor bottoms in atlanta, who took steps through executive orders yesterday.
it was very noteworthy that she had initiated a study group a week ago at the suggestion of former president obama to study chokeholds, use of force, and other things, the obligations of other officers to intervene, and then she said after this terrible incident with mr. brooks, mr. bottoms said yesterday, that she had no choice but to act immediately while awaiting for them to produce the results of their thoughtful study, she said, i can't wait another minute, another second, we have to take action now, and said that there is an obligation from now on on other police officers to intervene if they can and to stop the unnecessary use of force. she also had use of force requirements. is this what mayors, what police chiefs have to do around the country before they get congressional action? >> well, i mean, i do think that local law enforcement and mayors really have to act well before they get congressional direction.
i mean, the reality is that congress will be able to make some decisions, appropriate money, but they will not have the same authority as mayors do with respect to their chiefs of police and to their law enforcement. and so i think it was important for mayor lance bottoms to act and to do that quickly. and if there is a need to pull back, she will know that after the study is completed. and so there is no harm in her acting. >> donna, i want to ask you and maya to wait for just a few moments, we have joining us now d.c. mayor muriel bowser who has been on capitol hill, so i want to make sure we go to her and ask you, madam mayor, first of all, whether the president is going to announce today basically to have a study of chokeholds and other excessive force but to have at least a
registry of police officers who have multiple incidents of excessive force and bad behavior, at least a national regist registry. does that do enough as far as you're concerned? >> i think we need national action. i did just leave speaker pelosi and leader hoyer. i know that democrats on the hill have moved a package forward. and i think i will look forward to what the president is going to announce. i do think there is some usefulness in having a national framework to hang some of these reforms on. so there is not a patchwork from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. but i would agree completely that police departments and mayors and states have to also make sure we have an eye everyday, not just when there's a horrible incident, but departments have to evolve and reform around things that are going to make the officers more
accountable to mayors and to citizens. >> does the d.c. police department need to be restructured? have you talked to mayor lance bottoms in atlanta about some of the steps she has taken? >> well, i've heard some of the things just as i was sitting there, that the d.c. police have been implementing for more than 18 years. i grew up in washington, d.c., and our reputation, our police department's reputation in the '90s and late '90s wasn't a good one. we entered into a consent agreement with the department of justice then. and since 2002, we have been implementing very significant reforms around hiring and retention and training. there remains a lot of work to do around accountability, however. when we know that we have a bad officer or we have a bad incident, the police chief and the mayor need to be able to
take swift personnel action. >> what about the protesters that even came to your house, calling for defunding police? >> i think there's going to be a broad discussion in washington. we have certainly been able, because of our taxpayers' commitment to our progressive values, we have been able to make very significant investments in our safety net, from ending homelessness to investing in schools. and so we feel strongly that we have the balance that's needed. >> madam mayor, i'm going to pause for a moment because the president has just come out, i know you want to talk about statehood also, which is advancing on the democratic side on the hill, but let's listen to the president and see what he has to say about his proposals for police reform. >> though we may all come from
different places and different backgrounds, we're united by our desire to ensure peace, dignity and equality for all americans. i've just concluded a meeting with incredible families, just incredible families that have been through so much, the families of ahmaud arbery, botham jean, antwan rose, jamel roberson, michael dean, darius tarver, cameron lamb, and everett palmer. these are incredible people. incredible people. and it's so sad. many of these families lost their loved ones in deadly interactions with police. to all of the hurting families,
i want you to know that all americans mourn by your side. your loved ones will not have died in vain. we're one nation. we grieve together. and we heal together. i can never imagine your pain or the depth of your anguish. but i can promise to fight for justice for all of our people. and i gave a commitment to all of those families today with senator tim scott and attorney general bill barr. we are going to pursue what we said. we will be pursuing it and pursuing it strongly, tim, right? okay? i want to recognize attorney general bill barr who has spent so much time on this and other matters like this. bill, thank you very much for being here, along with -- great
job you're doing. along with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, tim scott. they're going to be working on a senate bill also that can go hand in hand with this. and also representatives kelly armstrong, louis gohmert, jim jordan, guy resenschaler, thanks also to florida attorney general ashley moody, the president of the fraternal order of police, pat yose, president of the international association of chiefs of police, stephen stephens and many other law enforcement leaders who will be joining me at the signing. today is about pursuing common sense and fighting, fighting for a cause like we seldom get the chance to fight for. we have to find common ground.
but i strongly oppose the radical and dangerous efforts to defund, dismantle and dissolve our police departments especially now that we've achieved the lowest recorded crime rates in recent history. americans know the truth. without police there is chaos. without law there is anarchy. and without safety there is catastrophe. we need leaders at every level of government who have the moral clarity to state these obvious facts. americans believe we must support the brave men and women in blue who police our streets and keep us safe. americans also believe we must improve accountability, increase transparency, and invest more resources in police training, recruiting, and community engagement. reducing crime and raising standards are not opposite goals.
they are not mutually exclusive. they work together. they all work together. that is why today i'm signing an executive order encouraging police departments nationwide to adopt the highest professional standards to serve their communities. these standards will be as high and as strong as there is on earth. the vast majority of police officers are selfless and courageous public servants. they are great men and women. when others run away from danger, police run straight into harm's way, often putting their lives at stake to protect someone who they don't know or never even met. great danger. police officers run straight toward this incredible harm. take the world trade center.
they ran straight into the twin towers of 9/11. many of them never returned. never returned. vast numbers of new york's finest never returned. last year i presented the medal of valor to six heroic police officers who ended a murderous rampage so professionally in dayton, ohio. hundreds of people would have been killed, surely, without them. we ask our police to put on the uniform and risk their lives for us every day. the least we deserve and the least we can do, because they deserve it so much. they have to get our gratitude and we have to give them great respect for what they do, for the job is one of the most dangerous jobs on earth, one of the most difficult jobs on
earth. last year alone, 89 law enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty. in recent days, two members of law enforcement were killed amid riots and looting and hundreds of police officers were injured just recently. one officer was shot in the head and is now laying in a hospital, almost totally paralyzed. despite our very good record on crime, law and order must be further restored nationwide and your federal government is ready, willing, and able to help, as we did in minneapolis after it got out of control for four days, we sent in representatives, commonly known as the national guard, and it was all put down very quickly. we're willing to help. we're willing to help in seattle. we're willing to help anywhere
you want. and we'll be there very quickly. it won't take long. there will be no more looting or arson. and the penalty will be very grave for those who get caught. violence and destruction will not be tolerated. we cannot do that. the looters have no cause that they're fighting for. just trouble. every day police officers make great sacrifices to keep our communities secure and safe. in 2018 our police arrested nearly 12,000 people for murder, 25,000 people for rape, and nearly 1.5 million for assault. very dangerous criminals. in many cases, local law enforcement is underfunded, understaffed, and
undersupported. 47% of all murders in chicago and 68% of all murders in baltimore went without arrests last year. americans want law and order. they demand law and order. they may not say it, they may not be talking about it, but that's what they want. some of them don't even know that's what they want but that's what they want. and they understand that when you remove the police, you hurt those who have the least, the most. nobody needs a strong, trustworthy police force more than those who live in distressed areas and nobody is more opposed to the small number of bad police officers, and you have them, they're very tiny, i use the word "tiny," it's a very small percentage, but you have them. but nobody wants to get rid of them more than the overwhelming
number of really good and great police officers. some of them are standing with me and with me in the audience today and i appreciate you being here. [ applause ] thank you. thank you. great job. what's needed now is not more stoking of fear and division. we need to bring law enforcement and communities closer together, not to drive them apart. under the executive order i'm signing today, we will prioritize federal grants from the department of justice to police departments that seek independent credentialing, certifying they meet high standards, in fact in certain cases the highest standard, that's where they do the best, on the use of force and de-escalation training. for example, many believe that proper training might have prevented the tragic deaths of
antwan rose and botham jean. as part of this new credentialing process, chokeholds will be banned except if an officer's life is at risk. and i will say we've dealt with all of the various departments and everybody said it's time. we have to do it. additionally, we're looking at new advanced and powerful, less lethal weapons to help prevent deadly interactions. new devices are being developed all the time and we're looking at the best of them. and cost is no object. no object. under this executive order, departments will also need a share of information about credible abuses so that officers with significant issues do not simply move from one police department to the next. it's a problem. and the heads of our police
departments said whatever you can do about that, please let us know. we're letting you know, we're doing a lot about it. in addition, my order will direct federal funding to support officers in dealing with homeless individuals and those who have mentally illness and substance abuse problems. we will provide more resources for co-responders such as social workers who can help officers manage these complex encounters. and this is what they've studied and worked on all their lives. they understand how to do it. we're going to get the best of them put in our police departments and working with our police. we will have reform without undermining our many great and extremely talented law enforcement officers. president obama and vice president biden never even tried to fix this during their eight-year period. the reason they didn't try is
because they had no idea how to do it and it is a complex situation. beyond the steps we're taking today, i am committed to working with congress on additional measures. congress has started already and they'll be having bills coming out of the senate and possibly out of the house and hopefully they'll all get together and they'll come up with a solution that goes even beyond what we're signing today. but this is a big, big step, a step that hasn't been taken before. but in order to make real progress on public safety, we have to break old patterns of failure. many of the same politicians now presenting themselves as the solution are the same ones who have failed for decades on schools, jobs, justice, and crime.
they are all, often, unfortunately, the same politicians running the cities and states where help is most needed. it's an attitude. and it's not working. today's action is a big part of the solution to restoring, renewing, and rebuilding our communities. for the last 3 1/2 years my administration has been focused on creating opportunity, fighting for equal justice and truly delivering results. nobody has ever delivered results like we've delivered. nobody's come close. and we work with some great people. we work with fantastic people to get it done. we enacted landmark criminal justice reform, something that nobody else could get done. they tried and they couldn't even come close. and we got it done and we got it
done powerfully and people appreciated it. but it's something that with all the work and all the talk for so many years, criminal justice reform, nobody else could get done. we secured permanent and record funding for hbcus, that's historically black colleges and universities. numbers that they never thought were possible and long term financing, because they would come back to the white house after my third year, i said, why are you here again? great people, about 42 people, the heads of black colleges and universities, great people, they do such an incredible job, and i've seen them, after the third year, i said, why are you doing this? we need money again. i said, don't we set it so you have like a ten-year program, a five-year program? no, sir, for years and years we've had to come back every
single year. i said, well, the only bad thing about what i'm going to do is i'm going to give you long term financing and i'm going to up the amount but i won't get to see you anymore so that's the bad part. but you can focus on education now instead of worrying about dealing with us in washington. so we did that for the historically black colleges and universities. i'm very proud of it. they're incredible. they're incredible people. got to know a lot of the heads of those colleges. they do an unbelievable job. and don't get the kind of notoriety that they should have. we expanded affordable options for better health care. we created opportunity zones with senator tim scott, bought it to me. we didn't know if we could get it passed, tim, right? we got it passed. it's probably one of the great things we've done in this administration. tens of thousands of jobs, billions and billions of dollars
being brought into areas and neighborhoods that would never, ever, ever be taken care of monetarily. areas that didn't have ten cents in them for years and decades and now people are investing, thriving, and the jobs have come back. we achieved the lowest black, hispanic, and asian unemployment rates in american history, and we will do it again. we'll do it again. we're fighting for school choice, which really is the civil rights of all time in this country, frankly, school choice is the civil rights statement of the year, of the decade, and probably beyond, because all children have to have access to quality education. a child's zip code in america should never determine their future. that's what was happening. so we're very, very strong on school choice. and i hope everybody remembers that.
and it's happening. it's already happened, but it's happening. we have tremendous opposition from people that know they shouldn't be opposing it. school choice. all children deserve equal opportunity because we are all made equal by god, so true. a great jobs market and thriving economy is probably the best thing that we can do to help the black, hispanic, asian communities. we saw that just recently, prior to the virus that came in from china just a few months ago, what a horrible thing it was all over the world, 188 countries now. and i just want to say we've done incredibly well. we're doing well. things are happening that nobody can even believe. our country is opening up. and it's opening up rapidly.
we had the best unemployment and employment -- we had the best unemployment and employment numbers, think of that, in the history of our country. we're up to almost 160 million people working. there was never anything even close. and that's for almost every group including black, hispanic, asian, women, young people, old people, young people without a high school diploma. every group. everybody was thrilled. everybody had, just about, high paying jobs. our country was never in a better position and we were planning on massive growth. it was happening. it was already there. including big salary increases which were already taking place for the last 2 1/2 years, big, big increases, record increases, nobody's seen anything like it. and then we got hit by the
virus. along with the rest of the world. and now i'm building it up again. here we go again. but i'm building it up again. and it's moving fast. and it will be even better than before, because we also learned, it will be better than before. jobs are rapidly coming back. and retail sales that were just announced two hours ago, just a little while ago, they're up a staggering 17.7%. [ applause ] amazing. the projection was anywhere from 6 to 8%. we're up 17.7%. and what does that mean? the stock market went through the roof. these good numbers, they drove it up to a level that we're almost at the same level, hard to believe, we're getting close to the level we were before the pandemic and before all of the
things that you've seen happen, happened. that's a great thing because ultimately it's about jobs, it's about -- the government can never do anything like a great job for a person, where they look forward to getting up in the morning and going to work and getting a much bigger check than they could ever get otherwise. today and over the last 60 days we've had one of the biggest stock market increases in the history of the stock markets. and two weeks ago, the 50-day increase was the single biggest. unless my formula is tampered with, we will soon be in a stronger position than we were before the plague came in from china. when the numbers reached the point that i know they will, there will again be a great unity and a great spirit in our country. people will have that job back
that they might have lost. they'll be making even more money than they did before. we have some brilliant people working with me. and we put it together, we did it once, we'll very easily do it again. away way ahead of schedule. you'll see that, you'll see the third quarter number will be very good. you'll see fourth quarter will be very good. you'll see next year will be one of the best economic years this country has ever had. [ applause ] and it's all happening very quickly, way ahead of schedule. and i think you'll see that. people can't even believe what they're looking at. but on top of all of that, before the end of the year, i predict we will have a very successful vaccine, therapeutic, and cure. we're making tremendous progress. i deal with these incredible scientists, doctors, very, very closely.
i have great respect for their minds. and they have come up with things. and they've come up with many other cures and therapeutics over the years. these are the people, the best, the smartest, the most brilliant anywhere, and they've come up with, uh, the aids vaccine. they've come up -- or the aids -- and as you know, there's various things and now various companies are involved, but the therapeutic for aids. aids was a death sentence. and now people live a life with a pill. it's an incredible thing. the ebola vaccine and others. these are the people that have done it or these are the people that have been around it. and they're all competing. it's an incredible thing, all of these brilliant firms, labs, companies, are competing. and i will tell you, we're very far advanced. we've already started tests and
trials. so i think we're going to have a very, very good answer to that very, very soon. i always say, even without it, it goes away. but if we had the vaccine, and we will, if we had therapeutic or cure, one thing sort of blends into the other. it will be a fantastic day. and i think that's going to happen. and it's going to happen very soon. americans can achieve anything -- >> and as we're watching the president, he started out talking about police reform in an executive order that he is going to be signing but he has now launched into what would be a campaign rally speech, stating, inaccurately in fact, some facts about the pandemic, not acknowledging 116,000 deaths but saying that even without a vaccine, people are getting well. and basically also talking about the very good retail sales numbers today, the stock market, and touting his reelection hopes. mayor bowser, muriel bowser from
d.c., has been standing by with us. we did hear him say he is in favor of banning chokeholds. he didn't say that would be in the executive order, we want to seat language of see the language of it, but he is talking more about police reform and, i would say inaccurately, blaming the obama administration for not doing anything about it when in fact the trump administration, the trump white house dismantled president trump's post-ferguson reforms and the additional consent decrees that were issued against police departments around the country. >> yes, and unfortunately, as soon as he launched into that, i realized his remarks were going to be largely political remarks, in kind of emphasizing their obsession with president obama. but regardless of what happens with an executive order, we have to push the congress for
national change. i don't know what he's talking about with the senate majority leader's bill, i don't think we've seen anything. but the house democrats have very good measures that need to get out of the congress. they can't just do i there. die there. >> we did hear today, and i guess you probably heard that as well, that mitch mcconnell is now committing to action to a vote before the july 4th recess which would be terribly important because once they leave in advance of july 4th, july 2nd, in fact, there's only one week when they come back in august for them to get anything done, including more covid legislation. >> i think that is very important. speaker pelosi and leader hoyer also committed to us in d.c. that there is going to be a vote in the house on hr 51, which is the bill that would make d.c. the 51st state. we're also very concerned that
they come back with the hero's bill or the next covid relief bill to make washington, d.c. whole in that process as well. >> and one of the things about statehood, before i let you go, is also that the secret service has now belatedly acknowledged that there was some form of chemical gas used around lafayette square, that monday night confrontation where peaceful protesters were cleared from the area despite previous denials from the white house. >> it was pretty clear that some form of gas was used. what the chemical was, i mean, i think it will be determined. but it's clear, we're not sure who made the order, but federal forces, police, whether they were secret service or park police, it appears, were ordered to clear out peaceful protesters.
and so it's going to be very important, i think, that congress gets to the bottom of that question so that we don't have an illegitimate chain of command where there's finger pointing, but we know who is policing in the nation's capital. our contention, of course, is that our police department, fully autonomous, washington, d.c., has to be in charge of public safety in washington, d.c. >> madam mayor, thank you so much for being with us, thank you for standing by and waiting for the president's remarks as well. we really appreciate it, as always. >> my pleasure. >> back with us now, our kristen welker, maya wiley, donna edwards, and phil rucker. kristen, first of all, from the president, we heard some mixed messaging because he wants to emphasize his law and order credentials, his support for police, at the same time attacking the obama administration which actually did do police reforms that were
dismantled by the incoming trump white house. >> that's right, andrea, there was a fair amount of mixed messaging. you had president trump unveil his executive order which he says, to your point, after review by the justice department, presumably outlaw chokeholds unless the officers' life is at risk. that's a big loophole because of course if an officer argues that his or her life is at risk then the question becomes what is the counterpoint to that. but clearly trying to unveil his plan to address some of these concerns by protesters while also painting himself as the law and order president yet again, andrea, underscoring the extent to which he sees police departments as important, and that he does not want to defund police departments or redirect any of the funding that's going toward law enforcement in any way, shape, or form, and making the point that it's not mutually exclusive to invest in communities, to invest in better policing and to also help to
improve things like training and the resources that the police have at their hands. but then the counterpoint to all of that messaging, andrea, you had president trump start to talk about the ways in which he believes he has helped the african-american community. he referenced his first step back, that bipartisan piece of legislation that of course did begin the process of criminal justice reform, but then also started talking about the economy, his response to the covid crisis. this is clearly a president who is aware of the fact that all of this is going to tie into and impact his reelection chances. we know he's been quite eager to turn the page on the economy crisis. and also on the covid crisis. he's poised to hold that rally in tulsa, oklahoma on saturday, despite concerns by health officials there that holding a large indoor rally could create some type of spread of the covid virus there in tulsa or increase the spread there, i should say. so all of these competing factors at play, and sort of
overshadowing his own messaging by starting to talk about things like the stock market, andrea. so we'll have to see how the protesters, how civil rights groups here, what they heard from president trump, but some of what he said will undoubtedly be very welcome from those on capitol hill including in his own party who are trying to move towards some piece of bipartisan legislation. >> and while you've been talking, kristen, we've been looking at a split screen of the rose garden with jared kushner, jim jordan and other officials. there isn't a whole lot of social distancing or masking going on among the officials still in that rose garden. maya wiley, when we talk about police reform, one of the major things that happened after ferguson with president obama and eric holder, was to start changing all of the billions of dollars that went to local police forces with military style weaponry and armed personnel carriers. and that is now being reversed by the trump administration.
>> the trump administration has reversed all of the major efforts that the obama administration set in place to keep more black people, more latinos, more citizens, safe from abusive policing. if you consider that speech he just gave, not only was it full of misinformation, he literally, over the lives and the bodies of black people that he opened his announcement with, actually started talking about the stock market and the incredible, you know, gains that we're going to have from big pharma. i'm sorry, those are two things that black communities have largely been excluded from the benefits of. this administration has made
clear they are on the side of lawless policing in a law and order framework. and he just did that again. andrea, we have to stop and take one -- really one slowdown for a minute on the optics of that press conference. all i saw were white faces when we're talking about black bodies. >> indeed, with the exception of course of the senator from south carolina, tim scott, who has been a leader on trying to get something out of the republican senate. donna edwards, finally, what you heard there was a campaign speech, where the president was on this tightrope trying to balance his law and order message supporting the police and talking about a few bad actors but not acknowledging the role of many police unions to oppose reform. >> look, i think the president's speech today, i mean, his attempt was to try to move this
out of the headlines. and if he thought that anything that he said today would do anything to stop the protesters and stop the demand for across from killing unarmed black people, this did not do it. and, you know, to go from talking about, you know, referencing the families of those who have been murdered to stock market gains and retail salesappalling. even listening to this as a campaign speech there was no connection from the begin to the end. and this will not stop the calls to demand that congress and across the country we really do something to fix abusive police department. >> donna edwards and maya wiley
and kristen. the president vowing his administration is doing incredible things with the coronavirus that people wouldn't even believe, to quote him. dr. zeke emmanuel of penn medical, former policy adviser to president obama. author of a new book titled "which country has the world's best health care." let's fact check what we just heard as well. you heard the president, i think he caught himself as he said there is a vaccine for hiv/aids which there is not in promoting the fact that he believes there will be a vaccine soon and talking about the pandemic as though it's over. when we looked at that rose garden, the only masks i saw -- i did see senator mitch mcconnell wearing a mask and military aides wearing a mask, but that was about it. >> yeah, pretty shocking. they were violating almost every rule they had. they were very close to each
other. they were touching each other. you saw people hand shake and as you point out, attorney general barr, senator scott, jared kushner, none of them wearing face masks talking within, you know, inches of each other. patting each other on the chest, holding hands, really seemed like they didn't get the memo that's been circulating for at least three months about how to prevent transmission of the virus. and it's pretty -- not good leadership. >> what about the new announcements from oxford that there is a commonly used steroid that has now been found effective in treatment of severe cases of covid in terms of helping people recover and avoid fatalities? >> well, i feel like we're in the same boat over and over again which is, this is a press release, not a peer-reviewed
paper. nonetheless, if this is true, it is a very important progress. it's probably the most important progress in terms of therapeutics that we have. the steroid they use is really cheap. widely available throughout the world. and they report that it decreased the mortality by one-third. it's a randomized controlled trial. it's done out of uk where they really know how to do these kind of trials. so i don't have serious doubts about it. we'd like to see the paper to actually look at the methods and everything but if it's true, it is a major and important therapeutic step forward. >> zeke, what are you concerned about the spikes in a number of places we're seeing in the southeast and the southwest as well. potentially because of reopenings, because memorial day weekend. what is your analysis showing? >> yeah, if you look, we haven't
decreased the number of cases in the country. it's really been flat. it's just where the cases are. they were in new york, new jersey, connecticut. and now they've moved south and southeast. and if you actually look at the map of -- where the cases are going down and where the cases are going up, you've got the northeast that really did a very stringent lockdown for the last few months. cases are really dropping. on the other hand, places that said, oh, we're not sick. we don't need to adhere to these public health measures of physical distancing, wearing face masks, avoiding crowds. you're seeing a big resurgence. you can look at it. when they open up and when the curve goes up in terms of the number of cases, it's basically four weeks exactly from those dates. and if you don't adhere to these public health measures you will have this problem and subsequently that's going to lead to overloaded hospitals as well as an increase in the number of deaths. we're at 115,000 deaths. pretty reliably, we will get to,
you know, between 240,000, 250,000 deaths by the end of this calendar year. it's a tragedy. we can avoid this if we stick to the measures. when you have leadership doing rose garden press conferences, not even sticking to their own recommendations to the public, i don't see how you can expect the public to do better. >> in fact, there was a warning in his testimony today from the fed chairman jay powell that any improvement in the economy is going to be dependent on the virus. he's been saying this over and over again. those great retail sales numbers the president is touting, this recovery and maybe his re-election will be dependent on sticking to his own guidelines, yet he's going to tulsa against the advice of health officials in oklahoma. >> so the tulsa rally violates every single thing we know about transition. an enclosed spai ed space, larg for a prolonged period of time. yelling, coughing, sneezing on
each other. that's how you transmit this virus. you only need a few people to transmit and have a super spreading event. it is bad policy. it violates his own cdc's recommendations. it just shouldn't happen. and it's pretty clear what powell says. you will get some economic return but the american public has spoken loud and clear. they'll not go back to normalcy until we actually can tame this virus, and that's going to happen with the vaccine and probably not until next year. >> zeke emmanuel. dr. zeke emmanuel, thanks for being with us. catch zeke on his podcast "making the call." and that does it for "andrea mitchell reports." thanks for being with us. chuck todd and katy tur pick up our coverage after a short break. h, no way come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card.
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good afternoon in the east. good morning out west. i'm chuck todd. president trump just wrapped a not so socially distanced sunny event for an executive order on police reform. it incent vises police departments to. it creates a database to track police misconduct. the president framed it as the result of a tiny percentage of bad actors. rather than believing it has something to do with systemic issues. then he once again called for law and