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♪ good morning, everyone. from msnbc headquarters in morning. i'm ayman mohyeldin, and here are the facts at this hour. it is back to the beach, but this memorial day weekend will be like no other. beaches, pools and parks are open in most states. all of that to kick off the unofficial start of summer. but with lots of restrictions and warnings, including the wearing of masks. we're live up and down the eastern coast and in texas as well which is entering phase two
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of its reopening. we are not closing the country, that's the vow from president trump who says even if there's a second wave of the coronavirus in the fall, he will not push for another shutdown, even though that's up to each state and its governor. and two developing headlines this morning on the medical front. the race for a vaccine now moving into a second phase at oxford university. more than 10,000 adults and children being tested in a new round of promising trials while a new study finds that the controversial drug hydroxychloroquine, the one that the president says he's taking, actually increases the risk of death in covid-19 patients. we're going to have a lot more on both of those stories. but to start things off, we're going to bring in our team of reporters, including ron allen, ali vitali and morgan chesky is in dallas. ron, let me start with you. talk to us a little bit about this unprecedented memorial day weekend and how it looks very
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different than what we've seen in the past down there on the jersey shore. >> reporter: well, they're hoping it looks like years past, but the crowds, will they come? who knows. it's a beautiful day today. and the boardwalk is getting busy a bit. it's hard to understart how important tourism is to the jersey shore. it's 6.5% of the revenue the state takes in every year. here in bellmar, they have a plan. they're going to try to control the capacity on their beaches from gate attendants checking the number of people going in, to volunteers making sure people are social distancing. we spoke to the town manager. here's what he had to say about the plan and how he expects teem people to react to it. >> our experience in the past few weeks, everybody is well aware of their surroundings and what's happened for the past two
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months. with all the information that's out there, social media, with all the signage that we have posted and just the overall media coverage, everybody is aware they have to practice social distancing. that's the only way we've allowed to open up the beaches. >> reporter: you hear that up and down the coast. social distancing. social distancing. and hopefully people will acknowledge that. here, 15 weeks to make a living, all summer. like up and down the coast. my colleague ali vitali is a little south of here, down in virginia beach. ali? >> reporter: ron, many of the things that you're saying, you're hearing from business owners there, we're hearing here in virginia beach. this is really the only game in town heading into modemorial da weekend. and really this comes at a time where like much of the country there's a balance between the desire to reopen, the need for businesses for their bottom line to have tourists come here. at the same time, they want to do it safely. so beaches are going to be at
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reduced capacity. no umbrellas, no gathering. there's going to be people called beach ambassadors out on the sand next to me, making sure that people are social distancing. they're also going to be doing much more increased cleaning of the public restrooms here so they can make sure that everyone is as safe and sanitary as possible if they're going to use the beach. the need for tourists to come here even as the phase one is in the beginning stages here in virginia. the head of the hotel association here telling me that hotels here have been losing about $900,000 per day. now that the beaches are reopening, listen to what he says the impact is. >> as soon as the governor made the announcement for the beaches reopening, we saw bookings within minutes starting to fill in for july and august and later half of june. >> reporter: now, the governor still reserving the right to change course if he sees that people aren't abiding by the rules here, leaving that as the
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leverage in his back pocket. something the head of the hotel association he really hopes happens. let's go to morgan chesky in dallas, texas. >> reporter: good morning. in phase two, starting at midnight last night here in texas, and that meant that all bars, breweries, bowling alleys, they're all allowed to open up with 25% capacity allowed. we know as the numbers sit right now, texas has more than 53,000 positive cases of covid-19 and the deaths are currently sitting at 1,485. the governor wants to continue moving the state dwoforward tows a full reopening. there was a line of people outside this bar behind me last night. i'm joined by the owner. i know you've taken special consideration into reopening.
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you had a line wrapped around last night, what did you see with this reopen? >> we -- i saw excitement. i saw people wanting to be out. i saw people that wanted to stay safe. and one thing i noticed was some of our -- we were going around and monitoring them and so forth and make sure there weren't big crowds at a table. we have, you know, pieces of tape laid down where you're supposed to stand and you can only have one person ordering and they can't stay in certain areas and they're out in the yard. and it all -- it seemed to come together nicely. we felt very fortunate and grateful that everyone was so respectful. >> reporter: you're choosing to not reopen the interior of the business right now, focusing on the outside area, even though you could. from a profitability standpoint at 25%, you can't be making much
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money. what's your goal moving forward in this? >> the goal is to try to keep yourself relevant and be out there. we're dealing with skyrocketing food costs and we're not raising our prices at this point for anything. if we can have this outlet and hopefully this will build on -- a slow climb that we can get back to normal again. >> reporter: thank you so much. giving us some much needed perspective on this phase two reopening. ayman, the goal here is to enter that phase three and four, getting that closer to a full reopening. as you heard seth mention, people conditioned, keep that social distance apart from one another when they're going back outside to hopefully enjoy themselves. ayman? >> morgan chesky and our team of reporters kicking us off this hour. as the states take more steps to reopen, president trump says that he will not shut the economy down again even, even if there's a second wave of the coronavirus this fall. something his own health experts
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say is likely. >> people say that's a very distinct possibility. it's standard. we're going to put out the fires. we're not going to close the fire. whether it's an ember or a claim, we're going to put it out. we're not closing our country. >> let's go now to the white house and bring in carol lee who is reporting from there this morning. good to have you with us. the president making some headlines during his trip to michigan. let's start with his vow not to shut down the economy. >> reporter: right. this is the president's message that we're increasingly hearing whenever he's asked about a second wave of coronavirus. it's that, we're not reopening the country if there's embers, fires in different places. they'll move in to put those fires and embers out. but the country is not reopening. economists have said that a second shutting down of the country after reopening could be even more devastating to the economy and at the same time
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health experts say that a second wave is inevitable. we had former fda commissioner on "morning joe" this morning making this point. >> i think we're going to see transmissions start to break off as we get into the depth of the summer, july and august. we saw that in 2009 with h1n1 and it came back in the fall. we face a lot of risk in the fall of a resurgence and we can't become too complacent. >> reporter: so the president still is defiant about this. yesterday when he was in michigan, he chose not to wear a mask in public. he wore one behind the scenes to, again, send the message that the country is open for business. and it's not shutting down again. the problem, ayman, a lot of that is left up to the states, whether the country opens up again. >> the president also making news on another front involving international treaties. he plans to pull the u.s. out of the open skies arm control treaty. tell us why now and how this came to be.
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>> reporter: the white house's argument is that russia has not been abiding by this treaty and they're not going to remain party to a treaty in which only the u.s. is following the rules. they're going to notify russia today and that will kick off a time frame in which they can follow through. they have six months to follow through with this. in the meantime, the white house is saying, that they would like to renegotiate a different arms treaty with russia. the president yesterday said the u.s. relationship with russia is good right now so they're hopeful about that. the problem is, if russia is not abiding by this treaty now, why would they abide by one that they negotiate later. >> carol lee live at the white house for us. thank you so much as always. much more ahead, including the cdc's new guidance that the coronavirus does not spread easily from touching surfaces. our harvard medical expert on whether you really need to be wiping down your groceries, even your postal packages that get
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delivered at home. the country's leaders are striking a hard line against hong kong, taking aim at antigovernment protests. we are live on the ground in beijing with this important developing story. stay with us. this is to all who are putting their energy into helping others. to anyone helping and caring in their own way. thank you. like you, we're always on. we're proud to put our energy behind you. southern company
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welcome news this morning in the global race for a coronavirus vaccine. clinical trials at oxford
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university are now moving into the next phase. a massive expansion of human trials, researchers are recruiting more than 10,000 people to help test the vaccination developed in the uk. one of the lead researchers speaking to keir simmons overnight. >> it's critical because it's a trial that will tell us will a vaccine work. if you said to me months ago, i would have thought it was wild and fantastic. we're thrilled. >> let's bring in dr. ashish jha, the director of the harvard global health institute. thanks for joining us. let me first get your reactions to this. do you share his optimism about this trial as it moves into the next phase with 10,000 people being solicited? >> thanks for having me on. i am pretty enthusiastic about where the entire vaccine enterprise is going. incredibly fast, moving into this phase. we got great news last week from
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moderna that it looks like some of their vaccines are giving response. what i say is, i don't know with which of these vaccines will end up being effective and safe. but increasingly looking like in the next 12 months we should have at least one and maybe multiple vaccines that will be safe, effective and hopefully widely available. >> let me ask you about a brand-new study published in the medical journal. the analysis of 96,000 hospitalized coronavirus patients found those treated with hydroxychloroquine had a significantly higher risk of death compared with those who did not receive it. they were more likely to develop a type of irregular heart rhythm that can lead to sudden cardiac death. the president has touted this repeatedly. what do you make of the news that the president himself is taking it when you see the report that came out this
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morning? >> yeah, the report that came out this morning is what's called an observational study. it's not a randomized trial. and just as the president was touting other observational studies and i was unconvinced that hydroxychloroquine was beneficial. i've read the data, i've looked at it, that it's necessarily harmful. we just don't know. my thinking about hydroxychloroquine, my guess is it probably won't end up being an important part of our group but we need a trial. until then, we need to be cautious with this medicine because it does have side effects. >> here's an important development i think a lot of people will see it as a relief, that the cdc revised its wording on its website saying the virus does not spread easily from contaminated surfaces. it was made without any public explanation. have you seen new data that would lead them to change their
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guidance about this? >> i have not seen any data, per se, about services. we know viruses can last on a surface. i assume what's driving it is that we know that most of the spread of the disease is person to person. and personally, i've never really worried about this excessively. i don't think everybody needs to be wiping down all of their groceries. you have to practice commonsense, throw out the container, throw out the grocery bag, maybe, that you got it in, wash your hands. but do we have to wipe everything down? probably not. >> let me ask you a question about the harvard global health calling out the cdc. it's distorting important metrics and data in your opinion. explain what the cdc is doing here and why you think it is so concerning. >> there are two different types of tests. there's tests for the virus where we're looking for active infection and antibody tests.
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that's a look in the rear-view mirror. when you combine those two and report them together, you make both of them uninterpable. i don't know what's driving the combination of these two tests. but there is absolutely no good medical reason to be combining them and reporting them together. the cdc knows that. their scientists are superb, they know that. i don't know understand why this has happened. but it needs to stop. we need to see both of the data points separated from each other. >> i would be curious to know why they made this mistake. millions of americans are going to try in whatever kaecapacity y can go out and enjoy themselves. what do you want the millions of americans who are watching this right now to take away as they go into the holiday weekend? >> yeah. what i think we're learning is that the transmission of this virus is much lower when we're outside. that's a good thing, right? if you have good weather, i
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think it's great to get outside. it can't be like every other memorial day weekend. sup super packed beaches, those are bad ideas, but that doesn't mean you can't get out and enjoy yourself, spend time with your family. if you're going to get into a gathering with other folks, maintain that social distance, wash your hands, do the things that we know are important to keep us safe. i think the season and being outside will be helpful. >> hopefully we get good weather across the country this weekend. dr. ashish jha, it's always a pleasure. thank you so much for giving us the facts. >> thank you. new data warns of significant shortfalls in covid-19 testing in countries facing humanitarian crisis. the head of the international rescue committee joins me straight ahead. a third arrest in connection with to the shooting death of
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now for our check on the global fight against covid-19. in china, a meeting of top leaders opened with a surprise move to increase control over hong kong. officials introduced plans for new security laws that would crack down on antigovernment protests. the meeting taking place after a two-month delay and requiring security measures as they declare a divisive victory over its coronavirus outbreak and acknowledges major economic challenges ahead. janis frayer is covering the meeting for us. good to see you again. why is this annual meeting so significant and what more the you tell us about these big announcements that came out of it? >> reporter: well, the national people's congress is the most important political event of the
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year and this year, it was postponed. it was supposed to be held in march. they called it off at the height of the outbreak here. so the fact that it's actually going ahead is a sign that china's government wants to exsued the confidence that the virus is behind the country. there were still quite a lot of security measures that were place in order to pull this off. they shortened it to one week. everybody who went had to take a test. i had to do a mini quarantine just to be able to go inside the great hall of the people. the economic news that was announced wasn't too much of a surprise. officials had been telegraphing that they were likely to abandon this idea of setting economic growth targets for a year. they say in 2020, it simply doesn't make sense because of the damage to the economy by the
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pandemic. but it was this surprise move to introduce a plan for few national security laws in hong kong that is causing concern, in some cases alarm. this issue will not be put up for debate. this is effectively 100% a done deal and these laws could go into effect as early as next week. people in hong kong fearing for autonomy. >> do you know why these measures were taken all of a sudden? it's maybe being exploited by the coronavirus, but at the same time the backdrop of what has been happening in hong kong prior to the coronavirus outbreak is certainly not lost on the international community. >> well, we've been watching the antigovernment protests there escalate for nearly a year. by last september and october, becoming quite violent. and all the time when we were there covering them, wondering when is the crackdown going to
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come? what is the crackdown going to look like? the expectation that it would be fought out in the streets of hong kong. it's the fact that few people probably expected the crackdown to come from beijing at this political meeting. and to be delivered as pretty much a done deal. they aren't being clear on exactly how they're going to rewrite the rules. but what it does is it puts into question the one country, two systems policy that is protected liberties since the handover in 1997 and they're doing so by going around the hong kong legislature. so there are people who are fearing for the future, freedom of speech, for freedom of assembly as these meetings get under way next week and the fate of hong kong could be decided. >> janice, thank you. new warnings about the impact of coronavirus on countries facing humanitarian crisis. the international rescue
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committee raising the alarm around a testing shortfall in crisis-effected states. they identified multiple areas where signs that outbreaks were worse than previously thought arguing that ignoring these sites, imperils the world worldwide. yemen, one of the main areas of concern, the united nations says that country's health system has in effect collapsed. joining me now is president and ceo of the international rescue committee. david, it's good to talk to you again. thanks for joining us. i know that your organization looked at two main things when it was identifying these areas of major concern. the number of tests per million and test positivity rates, why are these numbers so important and what did you guys find? >> thanks very much, ayman. we know from our own situation here in the united states, but also from western europe, that test, test, test are the first three rules of responding to this crisis. so if you don't know how many people have got it or what the
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trends are, it's hard to manage the disease. you got up on the screen there, these remarkable numbers. remind your viewers that nigeria is the largest country in africa. it's a country that holds the key to the economic and social prosperity to significant parts of africa. and there are low numbers especially when you contrast them with the fact that the united states is i think around 38,000 tests per million of politici population at the moment. low hundreds gives anyone in government very little clue about where the disease is. the positivity rate is key because that shows your prevalence. and the fact that afghanistan is reporting 50% rates of positivity should be chilling -- sorry. 30%. somalia 45%. when you remember that pakistan
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took 45 days to get the first 5,000 positive cases and last week had two days to get 5 though positive cases, you can see that the danger of exponential growth of the disease that we've warned about on this program and elsewhere, we fear is coming to pass and it's coming to pass in countries without the health infrastructure to treat people when they get ill. >> many of the developing countries or even the developed countries are preoccupied with their own internal fights like we are in the u.s. what are the risks, though, of ignoring these findings coming out of these countries when it comes to the broader global fight against covid? >> that's a great point. i think there are two points, really. the first is that obviously these indicators that we publish show the pressing need to get -- gear up the response in these countries. it takes local action but it also takes funding for the front
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lines so the prevention and treatment can take some sort of course. we're never going to get enough ventilators in the congo but we can get basic oxygen support. the second thing that's absolutely key and should really speak to the needs that are being discussed in congress at the moment, the new supplemental bill, the u.s. needs a global component early. it needs to be at least $12 billion which is a fraction of the trillions of dollars that being spent across the u.s. this disease will never be quashed properly until it's quashed everywhere. and there are not that many degrees of separation in the connected world. what happens in africa or the middle east or south asia finds its way around the world in any kind of return to normality. my plea with people would be, yes, act locally, yes, charity begins at home. but charity cannot end at home. out of commonsense and morality, we need a global response to
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this pandemic, a global response that has been sorely lacking. >> let me ask you about an issue that's affecting us in the u.s. there's a surge of child deportations from the u.s. documents obtained by nbc news show that as far as back 2017, it was sought to expedite child deportations in order to dissuade asylum seekers. >> this is hugely important reporting by nbc news. isn't this the most basic american traditions to give safe harbor, it threatens to turbo charge the pandemic. kids are being returned, unaccompanied minors. we have 9-year-olds who are being sent back to countries where they come from without any
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degree of security for them or seemingly any control on the spread of the disease. we know, because the international rescue committee works both in the u.s. in 25 cities across the u.s. but also south of the border in mexico, but also in el salvador. these countries that children are being returned to have weak systems for controlling the disease. and so the idea that the u.s. is exporting kids into danger, never mind carrying with them a virus, if indeed they have it. it's not clear whether or not they do, i think neither serves the u.s. interest nor recognizes the u.s.'s role in this region. for the u.s. to be a force of stability in the region, it needs to do the right thing domestically, but it needs the kind of engagement with its neighbors that is key. if anything is called to the idea of the united states is that this country provides
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sanctuary for people who are fleeing for their lives. and it's no longer deemed an essential reason to move by the u.s. government sets us back a long way. >> thank you so much for joining us this morning and giving us your perspective. i appreciate it. breaking news overseas this morning, a pakistani international airplane crashed this morning. images from the crash site show debris and construction across a densely populated residential neighborhood in that city. it's unclear if anyone survived the crash. we'll bring you updates. the unique way one college plans to welcome students back to college in the fall and plans to keep them safe during this pandemic.
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every day more and more colleges and universities across the country are releasing their own plans for how they will operate come the fall. for those that do plan to welcome students back on campus, part of the equation includes the basics, things like testing, contact tracing, and social distancing. some are also planning to end the semester early after the thanksgiving break to try to avoid travel and what is expected to be a second wave of the coronavirus. but one college in upstate new york is taking a different approach. announcing this week, it plans to start the semester later in october to give the school more time to prepare. the president of ithaca college
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joins me now. thank you so much for joining us. i wanted to start by getting your perspective why move the school year later than earlier as we have seen some universities announce? >> good morning, ayman. thank you for this opportunity. so there's a couple of things to note, one, it goes without saying, we're in the state of new york, as you know, which has been the epicenter of this public health crisis. and we are completely aligned with the governor's metric-based approach to keeping our community safe. we're hopeful about opening up in october, but it's important to underscore that that will only happen with the right guidelines and restrictions and approval in place by the state. so why did we take this approach? we think it's more responsible to get ready, to roll out the kind of educational experience that a residential college stands by, and we also thought that it was really critical
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because we know we're in the long haul to really prepare for a nimble approach to education if we want our students safe on campus. >> we earlier in the week had a chance to ask the president of notre dame university about how a university -- i'll pose the same question to you. how does a university in your case enforce things like mask and social distancing, especially outside of the classroom but still on campus when students are socializing and going out about their ordinary business outside of a classroom? how do you intend to make sure students abide by that? >> that's a great question, ayman. you're touching on the complexities of what it means to really run the kind of mini city, if you will, with young people who are vibrant, intellectual, active and want to get things done. we also live in a community, ithaca is amazing, we're an eke center that includes our great
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partners. for that region, i'm charging a task force focused on all emergency management aspects, things that you've mentioned, testing, tracking, facilities being ready, a curriculum that we can deliver no matter what happens, the ability to quarantine and most importantly, to your point, developing the kind of norms that we need our students to follow, not just on our campus, but also in the community because we are responsible for this incredible community here. >> there's obviously a financial component to universities in the presence of students on campuses. your neighboring school in ithaca announce that it anticipates losses of up to $200 million due to the pandemic, even assuming it will be able to fully reopen this fall. i'm wondering if you're experiencing something similar at ithaca college in terms of massive loss in revenue?
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>> yes. ayman, i've never had this experience in my entire career in higher ed and it's a sea change for us. for the market in the northeast, we are already facing monumental changes. our approach as an enrollment dependent, privacy, comprehensive college committed to the liberal arts and education in new york state of all places, right, has been to do what we can to do right by students and continue to have this experience be affordable and accessible. for the first time in our history, we gave back partial refunds in room and board that were not used by students who could not complete their semester in person. that's unheard of in our sector and it was a hard thing to do. but we needed to do right by our families. and, yes, there are a lot of high stakes ahead of us. but we're trying to balance that with the public good and the
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approach that we've been trying to make at ithaca around students getting the kind of education that they truly deserve. >> if the school is not able to reopen in the fall for whatever reason as a result of this pandemic, would you consider extending or returning the tuition or the room and board to those students who don't come to that campus? >> so i would say that everything is on the table for us. one of the beauties of actually doing the careful planning that we're doing, we've given ourselves a tremendous runway between now and october 5th that would allow us to do the kind of contingency planning, including financial sustainability around the delivery of instruction that could be nimble. we're realistic about this. this virus is going to take on all kinds of forms. it's going to ebb and flow. we're not naive that things are going to go back to normal. and that includes the kinds of decisions that we'll have to make if the instruction needs to
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look different not only at the beginning but at any given time in this entire academic year and i have to say, it's incredibly difficult to change an entire academic structure and challenge, but our community is up for the task and we're doing it by giving ourselves the time that we need to get this right. >> let me ask you quickly, speaking of changing academic structure, the university of california voted to phase out the s.a.t. and a.c.t. as a component to apply to its ten schools. is ithaca doing the same? >> i'm proud of the fact that we are testing optional around students academic promise. we have incredible talent that comes to this college and it is all about promise and ability and our students come from all walks of life. and so we need to deliver the right excellent education for them. >> all right. president from ithaca college, thank you so much and best of
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luck to you as you make these tough decisions going ahead. >> thank you, ayman. turning to the 2020 race for president, this morning joe biden's short list for vice president is taking shape. a growing number of contenders to be his running meat sayiate they've advanced to an intense round of vetting. who have we learned is on that list? >> yeah, ayman, this veep stakes conversation every four years is the dominant political conversation of the summer. it's gotten less attention this year, of course, as we're all focused on the coronavirus pandemic. but as you mentioned, the conversation really kicking into high gear as some of the potential picks themselves are talking about their initial conversations with the biden campaign. we saw michigan governor gretchen whitmer say she had some initial conversations with biden's vetting team. val demings saying in an interview that she's on the short list and an aide walked
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that back saying she was on a list. we also saw both of new hampshire senators approached by the biden campaign and amy klobuchar, of course, one of biden's former rivals agreeing to be vetted. let me put this into context based on my conversations with biden advisors, they're closely emulate their vetting process to what the obama team did in 2008. that began with a very wide net being cast, every democratic senator and governor, several members of congress, predominant mayors. they took that list and narrowed it down to 20 where they went to those individuals and asked them if they wanted to be vetted. it appears that's where we are right now. biden telling stephen colbert last night on the late show that the vetting process hasn't begun in earnest. now that they have a list of who has agreed to begin the vetting. they're going to have formal
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conversations with joe biden himself and a team of lawyers for biden is going to be looking at their backgrounds, looking for any potential political liabilities in the fall. >> let me ask you about an interview that made news this morning on the breakfast club between the former vice president and the host of that show. the former vice president growing visibly testy after it was insinuated that he had not done enough to prioritize the black community. >> it's a long way until november, we have more questions -- >> you got more questions. if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or trump and you ain't black -- >> it don't have nothing to do with the trump. it has to do with the fact i want something -- >> take a look at the record, man. i extended the voting act 25 years. i have a record that is second to none. the naacp has endorsed me every time i run. come on, take a look at the record. >> how is that playing out this
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morning? >> well, as you know, i've covered joe biden for a long time. without fail, i think he tends to get as feisty as you just saw him there most when he feels like his record is being attacked in ways that are unfair. this was a longer conversation in which they discussed a range of his past positions on the crime bill, on marijuana legalization, a number of other issues in which he was defending his past record. biden was the only candidate, one of the few, who didn't agree to do an interview with the breakfast club during the primary. we're seeing the trump campaign pouncing quickly, one tweet calling it disgusting. we saw don jr. call this comment racist. it's important to put this interview in context as well. while joe biden won the african-american vote overall in south carolina, he won 75% of black voters over 60, but tied bernie sanders with voters under 30 and obviously a range in between. so work to do, clearly, for joe
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biden in communicating his message to younger african-american voters. >> no doubt about that. mike memoli, thank you for that update. we'll be back right after this. ♪
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all right. so with all 50 states now partially reopened and memorial day weekend about to start, medical workers are facing a very different reality this morning, bracing for more potential spikes in cases and unfortunately morris, they and their colleagues will become infected. already pushed to thash limits for two months as the push on front line workers continuing to rise. katy durk was hospitalized for nine days before being released. it's great to see you and see you up and about. how are you feeling? >> first of all, thank you for having me on here. i'm feeling much better.
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it's been a very challenging difficult few weeks. i'm thankful to be alive and very, very thankful to be recuperating. >> this morning i wanted to get your thoughts on -- you received the medicine remdesivir which has obviously made a lot of headlines in this country, a medication that received emergency use authorization from the fda when you were in the hospital. do you have a sense of whether that made a difference in your own recovery? >> when i checked into the hospital, i checked in to mt. sinai in new york city on sunday, may 10th. i was already having symptoms for seven days, fevers, persistent fevers, diarrhea, fatigue, no appetite and just incredible, incredible body aches. probably the worst i've ever experienced. my symptoms shifted and i started having shortness of breath, chest pain and a low oxygen saturation. when i got to the hospital they found opacities on my chest
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x-rays which indicate an infection. with the covid patients we've seen they do develop pneumonia. in order to qualify for the remdesivir trial, you have to have some sort of findings on your chest x-ray indicative of that. i was able to start receiving remdesivir been 24 hours of my presentation to the hospital and i received it for a total of nine days. and i believe that in combination with the phenomenal medical care from the physicians and nurses and nurse practitioners and intravenous steroids and antibiotics and oxygen is the reason i'm here right now and doing remarkably better. >> you're in a unique position because you've seen it from both sides, as someone helping those infected and then receiving treatment and being infected. what are your takeaways from this experience? >> i can tell you in 15 years of nursing, i've never had to be
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the patient. i've actually never been in the hospital a day in my life as a patient which i'm very grateful for. when i got there, i was very scared. i have been taking care of patients who had much more negative outcomes than i did. so many young people and healthy adults who have died from this, and it's been very traumatic, emotionally and physically exhausting. so when i became the patient, i had a unique perspective because i've always been the caregiver. i've never had the sense of not being able to control my situation, which is the way a lot of patients feel when they're in the hospital and how people feel when they're sick. you can't control this. with coronavirus and covid-19, we don't exactly have a protocols algorithm for treatment, for example, like we do with heart attacks and with some cancer therapies. so it's very scary.
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i'm thankful with my health literacy and knowledge and as a nurse practitioner, it helped me understand why we're doing what we're doing and helped me understand my symptoms and when to escalate care. >> katie duke, thank you so much. we wish you continued success, both physically and professionally. >> thank you so much for having me. i appreciate it. >> take care. i'm ayman mohyeldin. after a quick break, more news with my friend craig melvin. thanks for watching. joints, muscles, and bones. try boost mobility, with added collagen.
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