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take over, good night and good luck. >> maybe they'll be gold plated or something. that does it for us. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage now. >> thanks so much, mika and joe. i am stephanie ruhle. it is thursday, january 9th. here is what's happening this morning. things have quieted down for now in the middle east after the president signaled that the united states would not take further military action against iran, saying instead he is ready for peace with all who seek it. but the political tensions are rising after lawmakers are briefed on the intelligence surrounding the killing of the iranian general qassem soleimani, with one republican senator calling that briefing insulting and mean. >> it was probably the worst briefing i've seen on a military issue in the nine years i served in the united states senate. after 75 minutes while they're in the process of telling us we
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need to be good boys and girls, run along, not debate this in public. i find that absolutely insane. >> that anger could lead to more than harsh words. in just a few hours, the house will vote on a war powers resolution that could limit what actions the president can take in the middle east going forward. garrett hague is on the hill. garrett, members of congress like mike lee didn't like the briefing. but is this really about soleimani and iran or is it all about power? >> reporter: it is about power and what could happen next here. the thing that triggered mike lee and other senators in the meeting is the administration saying they're not sure they would feel like they need to come to congress for any kind of authorization for a military strike. whether it was yemen last year or iran this year, you see republican senators like mike lee peeling off to say this is not acceptable, we want to exert our own constitutional authority. in this case, there's something
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they can do about it. lee cannon said he will support tim kaine's measure on the war powers act that would limit what the president can do in iran without getting congressional authority. the house bill should pass easily, senate bill needs to grab a couple more republican senators. both would face a presidential veto if they head to the president's desk. this is an opportunity you saw senators speaking up and can put opposition on paper with a vote in the near future, steph. >> garrett hague, thank you. you have a busy day ahead. i have a fantastic team to lead off the hour to explain why all of this matters to you at home. my friend, robert costa, national reporter for "the washington post," moderator of washington week on pbs. ned price, former security council spokesperson, and bobby goesh from bloomberg opinion. this war powers resolution, put it in context. is this always what happens at the start of a conflict?
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>> you have seen them enlarging executive branch in recent decades, especially when it comes to wars in the middle east and authorization after 9/11 and the war in iraq. congress on both sides, trying to reassert congress as an oversight branch and as a branch that decides on war. >> lawmakers were briefed on the killing of soleimani, we saw republican senators like rand paul that showed mike lee calling the brief insulting. lindsey graham, fellow republican, had something to say about what they had to say. listen to that. >> i think they're jordan re -- overreacting. trust me, i am going to let people know at this moment in
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time, to play this game with war powers act which i think is unconstituti unconstitutional, whether you mean to or not, you empower the enemy. >> i like lindsey graham, we work close together on a lot of issues, he is dead wrong suggesting this is playing a game. mr. graham, the constitution of the united states is not a game. >> you've got members of the same party, the same party that the president is a member of. when iran watches the fight, what do they think? bobby? >> i think the iranians will have always had difficulty understanding a government system where there are differences of opinion, and difference of opinion that are expressed so openly in public. that doesn't happen very often in iran, certainly not with this kind of public disagreement with the supreme leader who would be the equivalent to the presidency in the united states, so i don't think the iranians will be
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particularly -- will understand this very much, but i don't know that they'll get any comfort from this. they have at this point larger issues and greater fears to confront. >> mike pence was on the "today" show defending the administration and specifically yesterday's briefing. watch this. >> if we were to share all of the intelligence and in fact some of the most compelling evidence that qassem soleimani was preparing an imminent attack against american forces and american personnel also represents some of the most sensitive intelligence that we have. it could compromise those sources and methods. >> he keeps referring to sources and methods. is that a legitimate argument? >> it is absolutely outrageous. it is ridiculous in this case because what mike pence is not telling the american people is that there are certain sub sets
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of congress, including the intelligence committees, and if intelligence is even too sensitive for the full intelligence committee, there's a group called the gang of eight that includes leadership of the intelligence committees with the house and senate leadership. there's literally nothing too sensitive to share with the gang of eight. and administrations of both republican and democratic flavor have done that over time. i think what we are seeing is not the fact that this administration is afraid to share out of concern for sources and methods, they're afraid to share because they don't want to expose the lie, the lie that they don't have a strategy and may not have had a case, a legal authorized case to go after qassem soleimani. i think we heard that very clearly from senator lee, from senator paul yesterday. we heard it from chairman schiff of the intelligence committee, we heard that from other members who even members of the intelligence committee who have heard some of the most in depth
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details have come away wholly unsatisfied with what the administration is prepared to share. >> bobby, we keep hearing from certain republicans that there are democrats who are mourning the death of soleimani, they care more about terrorists than they do americans, but it's not about was soleimani a good guy. he was an awful guy. is the appropriate question was killing him at this time a move that makes the american people safer? >> across the middle east, outside of iran, and across europe nobody is questioning the fact that soleimani was a terrible person. he had the blood of tens of thousands of innocent civilians on his hands. to justify taking him out of this time and place requires imminent threat and you need to see there's some thinking that
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has taken place about appreciating the consequences and planning for those consequences. the trouble with the trump white house is that we don't see either what is the immediate threat that's gone into the decision making to make this assassination take place now and what thinking, if any, has taken place on how we deal with consequences. that's the problem. on coming in and going out, there's no indication that the trump administration has given any deep thought to this. >> ned, this administration sort of gives uh-you, you get what y get approach. as long as americans feel safe and the situation doesn't escalate, why should the average person care about whether or not the lawmakers are satisfied with the briefing they got, ned? >> you're absolutely right, stephanie. the key question was not was soleimani a good guy or a bad guy or did he deserve his fate, i think we can agree as bobby was inity medicating before, the
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question is have they made americans safer. what we can expect from tehran, we heard differing consults emanate from tehran. look at the broader consequences that helped to answer the question, are americans safer today. we had to stop counter isis operations in the region, iraqi parliament voted to kick out u.s. troops which would further hinder over the long term counter isis efforts, they would roll out a welcome mat for tehran if we're not there. some 15,000 additional troops are in the region since the con fill grags started. we are more isolated. people are protesting their government in tehran are now in
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the streets chanting death to america, and let's not forget that because of this operation alone, tehran has moved even further away from the iran nuclear deal. they have accelerated elements of the nuclear program. that used to be the most pressing priority, the possibility that iran could acquire a nuclear weapon. now it is an afterthought. it is an afterthought because the american people are so more vulnerable in so many ways because of reckless nness of th president. >> reporters have more questions, want more answers. mr. costa, you cover the president more than anyone i know. what we're in with iran is a national security crisis, it has been more than 300 days without an official press briefing. are you getting clear answers from this white house today? >> it is evident by vice president pence's interview with the "today" show earlier this morning that this administration
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is not being forward about the extent of its intelligence about what led to the attack on soleimani. congress is asking questions, reporters continue to ask questions. you see secretary of state pompeo based on my reporting have a tight grip over so much information coming out. the secretary of state emboldens, empowered inside the administration, and that's framing how this plays out along with the president's own comments. >> history reminds us why this matters. bobby, last month "the washington post" came out with a massive piece about the war with afghanistan. i want to read the beginning of the report where they write senior u.s. officials failed to tell the truth about the war in afghanistan throughout the 18 year campaign making rosy pronouncements they knew to be false, hiding in mistakable evidence that the war had become unwinable. we know we were lied to by the
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u.s. government when it comes to the war with afghanistan. is that what happens when the american people and lawmakers don't ask enough questions, is it about not getting proper briefings, how do you avoid having that happen to us again? >> well, i would argue there that lawmakers and even those that got briefings refuse to look closely at what they were being told, allowed themselves to be led in the direction they should not have, but there are cautionary tales anyway even in the last three years of the trump administration that when the white house makes decisions without consultation with the legislative branch, bad things can happen and will happen. we should be alarmed, should be suspicious, and any opportunity we get should push back, and demand more from the trump administration. >> bobby ghosh, ned price,
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robert costa, thank you so much for starting us off. still ahead, brand new numbers about the economy that could prove dangerous for democrats come election day. first, after trashing nato for years, trump is now calling for their help when it comes to iran. are any of the allies listening? are any of the allies listening? do you have concerns about mild memory loss related to aging? prevagen is the number one pharmacist-recommended memory support brand. you can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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let's talk strategy this morning. president trump opting to respond to trump's attacks aimed
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at u.s. forces in iraq with economic sanctions and not military force. let's go live to iran with ali arouzi. from the united states as we look at the situation in iran, to us it seems -- you're on the ground. >> reporter: hi, stephanie. things have calmed down from all of the melee going on the other night, but there's still a lot of tough talk coming out of tehran, replacement for qassem soleimani, the missile attacks were the beginning of getting america out of the region. the supreme leader said it was a slap in the face for america and that the ultimate objective is still to get america out of the region. he even posted a picture of donald trump on his website with a slap mark across his face. as the dust settles, it was
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designed for domestic consumption, to tell folks here that had come out in droves to mourn qassem soleimani's death that iran got vengeance and show the united states that iran has the capabilities, missile range to reach u.s. assets in the region. but stephanie, it was also carefully calibrated not to invite an all out reprisal from the united states that could have been potentially very damaging for iran in this country. also interestingly, stephanie, today you see amongst regular folks in iran saying this wasn't an eye for an eye because qassem soleimani was a top general and america didn't have to pay a price. >> thank you so much for the update. let's think about this. across the world as we wait to see this, the president has one
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tool to deal with iran. >> i am going to ask nato to become much more involved in the middle east process. >> nato. this is the same organization that president trump has been dumping on for years. joining us, retired four star admiral james ste freed as, former allied commander at nato, author of "sailing true north." admiral, let's start with this. the president saying he wants nato to get more involved. what would it look like if they did? >> first of all, as former supreme allied commander of nato, i welcome this. it is a far cry from calling nato obsolete which he has been doing consistently for three years. benefit of the doubt, say the light has come on. so what could nato do. i will give you three things quickly. nato can deploy war ships, we
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have standing naval forces in the atlantic and mediterranean. nato can put a half dozen destroyers and frigates together. number two, cyber threats. there's the nato cyber security center in estonia, and cyber defensive capability built into the alliance. third and finally like the troops go over from the 82nd airborne, there are a million troops in europe, many forward deployed over the years in afghanistan, the balankans. they can supplement u.s. forces. i think it is a good idea. the question is will nato step up and do it. >> right there, you said obsolete, that was one of his criticisms over the years. let's give the audience a refresher what the president had
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to say. >> nato is obsolete, old, fat, sloppy. i said it is obsolete and it is, it is obsolete. >> we don't need nato in the current form. it is obsolete, we spend disproportionately. >> how about the middle east. >> we are spending so much money. you have countries getting a free ride, you have countries that benefit from nato more than we do, we don't benefit that much from nato. >> i don't say get rid of nato, we're going to readjust it. if they won't do it, bye-bye. that's it. >> somebody calls me old, fat, obsolete, i'm not quick to take the call. how are these countries going to respond? >> about that way, you know me personally, stephanie, as former commander i may be short but i'm not fat and i do think you reap what you sow. it will be a tough call. our wonderful ambassador to nato, kale bailey hutchinson
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picks up the phone in brussels, starts calling around, it is just a tougher sell to get the rest of the nations to move forward on this. having said that, i think there's a reasonable chance. nato has been with us in afghanistan and libya, in the balkans, counter piracy, cyber against russia. if the united states leads, we have a reasonable chance of getting additional nato resources and at the end of the day, that's a good idea for the administration. >> i want to share for you what vice president pence said just this morning on the "today" show about nato. watch this. >> this president has done more to strengthen nato than any president in my lifetime. nato allies are contributing more to our common defense. >> but no commitment yet, right? >> in the history of our alliance. and the president is going to make it clear to nato allies that they need to step up more in the region. >> my mistake, that was vice president pence on fox. does he have a point?
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the president dumped on the alliance for years, but he has also gotten a bunch of those countries to write bigger checks over the last few. >> he has. and before president trump did so, a lot of that got started at the end of the obama administration because broadly speaking, stephanie, the europeans realize they have to increase defense spending. and by the way, you're a numbers person, and congratulations on your new responsibilities in business at our network, but let's do the numbers for one second. u.s. defense budget, about 600 to $700 billion. china's defense budget, much smaller, about 200 billion. russia's defense budget, 60 billion. how much do those free loading europeans spend? stephanie, they spend $300 billion, collectively, the second largest defense budget in the world, bigger than china and russia combined. have to get them up to 2% of gdp. i think that the president has done good work in that regard. let's keep that pressure on, but
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let's also recognize this is a terrific pool of partners that stood with us in afghanistan. i'll close by saying i wrote 2100 letters of condolence to young men and women killed in afghanistan under my command. 900 went to european families. >> wow. that's important. admiral, we're going to leave it there. thank you for your kind words and always your great insights. i appreciate it. >> you bet. right now, let's turn, we have to follow-up on the deadly plane crash in iran that took place just a day ago that killed all 176 passengers on board shortly after take off. investigators say the crew did not make a call for help and tried to turn back before the plane went down. while boeing, the manufacturer, and the ntsb would normally investigate, u.s. authorities say it is highly unlikely given recent hostilities with iran. the pentagon says it is looking into iran's missiles, whether it
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this morning, it looks like we're closer to seeing the
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senate get two articles of impeachment against president trump. 22 days since the house passed them, a growing chorus of democrats is calling on speaker pelosi to get on with it and send them over. nbc's geoff bennett on capitol hill. it seems like pelosi holding the article until she likes the rules is starting to crumble, isn't it? >> reporter: that's the case on the senate side, steph. you have a growing number of senate democrats calling on the house speaker to transmit articles of impeachment, which would trigger the start of a senate trial. that list includes joe manchin, chris coops, richard blumenthal, dianne feinstein of california. feinstein best sums up the position of the senate democrats. she made the case the longer this goes, the less urgent impeachment becomes. if democrats believe impeachment is serious and urgent as they say they do, they should transmit articles of impeachment without delay. but look, you can add to the
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list of senate democrats, at least one house democrat, adam smith, who chairs the house armed services committee, here's what he had to say about this. >> yes. i think it is time to send the impeachment to the senate and let mitch mcconnell be responsible for the fairness of the trial. >> reporter: this could all become moot. house speaker nancy pelosi will have her weekly press conference, could get clarity there on next steps. her position, she wants to know precisely what the structure of the senate trial will be before she names house managers. in the '90s in the clinton impeachment trial, house republicans named 13 republican members of the house judiciary committee. i am told by lawmakers that lived through that thing that 13 was probably too much for that trial, too many lawmakers appointed. pelosi's position is she wants to know the arena in which the senate trial will unfold so she knows how many house managers to
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appoint and precisely who those people would be. >> joining me, eli stokels and amy stoddard. nancy pelosi defended that position to hold articles yesterday. watch this. >> i said when we saw what the arena is that we would be sending those in and we would send over the articles. we haven't seen that. but when we see the arena in which this will happen, we will be prepared to send articles. >> her position has been when we see the rules and they're fair, you'll get the articles. republicans haven't done one single thing to get her any closer to that. and most likely aren't going to. >> look, if it made the
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president go berserk on twitter over the holidays, fine. there was a bolton development, that's good. it might have brought some pain in the initial days, but now it is giving republicans exactly what they want which is a process argument. they love process arguments. the problem with this is you can't send the articles over after saying in december i'll do it when it is fair, then what are you saying that mcconnell's process is fair? that was a threshold she could never reach. second thing is choosing managers. yes. you may have to worry about the number, go into this with the best prepared sharp and seasoned prosecutors that you can. she's a careful leader, doesn't take a lot of risks, was never going to send a bunch of jim jordans to make a scene, she was always going to send her best. she knew who those people were months ago. the idea she had to wait for fairness or wait for some kind of what she says the criteria
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for the trial, no. she has to prepare for explosions and challenges and the unknown. she has to send her best. she's always known who those people were. >> eli. she has known mitch mcconnell for decades, he doesn't have to play ball. he is absolutely not going to. has she overplayed her hand. the president is back on twitter railing against her, calling the impeachment a joke and a scam. has she overplayed her hand? >> reporter: i think it made sense to withhold articles over the holiday recess given no one was in town, the trial wouldn't start until january, playing with house money in effect. now that congress is back in washington, every day goes by without sending them, the politics swing more and more to republicans and the president and people can say look at the process, it is so important to them, the president tweeted this morning, remember when they were rushing it through the house, now they haven't sent them over, it is a fraud. that's a talking point that the
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republicans will make use of regardless what she does. she's giving them, helping them give definition to those arguments the longer she withholds it. the sense that the white house and certainly on the hill is this will end soon and she will pretty quickly potentially this week announce those articles of impeachment will be on their way to the senate. >> mitch mcconnell is not working with chuck schumer. it was reported yesterday again he met with president trump. he has already said he is working in conjunction with the white house to get ready for the trial. at the same time, mitch mcconnell said he wants a trial that will mirror bill clinton's. what does that mean? >> the clinton comparison is a good process argument for them. people that are not following this like we are at the granular level are going around the country about their business. when they hear that, it sounds very fair. this is why he brought lisa murkowski, susan collins, gory
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gardner, mitt romney, all these people that could be defectors over the line to approve his initial argument on rules. now, there's no guarantee we get to witnesses later, but those moderates can go to cameras and say we might get to a point later like in the clinton trial where we see witnesses. everyone in the clinton impeachment trial had to testify. these were retestimonies. it is not remotely comparable, sounds fair and legitimate. it is a good talking point and good process argument. mitch mcconnell doesn't need to create a fair process. he has given several floor speeches why it is political and not a legal arena and doesn't need to be impartial. i think he is at peace with that. if i were pelosi, know that lev parnas is a time bomb, john bolton is a time bomb, i would say let all of the senators running for re-election in tough states, purple states, let them
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acquit him, knowing what they already know, do it, have a sham trial. it is out of our hands. >> eli, new nbc reporting says white house counsel pat cippolone is expected to serve as the president's lead attorney in the impeachment trial. he actually doesn't have a lot of experience as a trial lawyer. is he a good pick? >> he's really the only option that they have. the other option is rudy giuliani. >> why? >> that's not going to work. >> why only those two? >> there are only so many attorneys in washington, steph, that will be the white house counsel and take this job working for this president. we've seen that over three years. he's who is there, him and jay sekulow working on the outside are probably the leads on this. and the president is going to be driving the bus anyway. what we have seen from cippolone is arguments about the politics. seem like they were dictated
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basically by president trump. trump will tell the lawyers what he wants, he may not get everything, may not get the circus trial with the whistle-blower and adam schiff coming to testify, but he's the one in charge, and cippolone makes sense will be the lead in the senate trial. >> that's the point to remember, this is the i and i alone president. thank you so much. we have to leave it there. still to come, a number that should concern democrats looking ahead to november, we're talking about the economy. it is a strong one. majority of americans are saying president trump's policies have helped the economy, but the poll is not exactly a win for the president. democrats have to find a lane here. we'll explain. a lane here we'll explain. a potato pay. where ore-ida golden crinkles are your crispy currency to pay for bites of this... ...with this. when kids won't eat dinner, potato pay them to. ore-ida. win at mealtime.
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the markets are up again this morning, getting a big boost following the cool down intentions between the united states and iran. cnbc's dom chu joins us now. let's talk about the last 24 hours. the markets recovered when they realized that iran's attacks were dehe is -escalating. then he stuck to script and for the first time, sang the praises of nato. explain what the market is thinking about it. >> the mashlgrkets are thinking deescalation provides a path for markets. up until now, for the past several months and years, the past of least resistance for the market and the u.s. overall is
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to the up side. that's because by many measures, the u.s. is the best economy, best market relatively speaking around the world from a lot of standpoints. the economy is doing well, although not as well as it could be doing, but certainly not recessionary at this point. it is also about the market that's relatively better from a valuation standpoint than some others, also a safer place to be from that perspective. if you take a look at the reasons why the market moves higher again, we're sitting at new record highs again today, the economy is part of that backdrop. the reason is because you have that low unemployment rate, you have a market that's growing a bit. all eyes are tomorrow on stephanie, big jobs report to see whether economy and momentum can fin. -- can continue. >> dom chu, thank you. are you better off than you were four years ago? >> it is not just the markets seeing a boost.
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the u.s. economy which is different from the markets is also overall up. the big question is about you. are you better off than you were four years ago? for the first time in a financial times poll, majority of americans, 51% now believe president trump's policies have strongly or somewhat helped the economy. here to dive into the numbers, peter spiegel, u.s. managing editor of "the financial times." peter, here is what's noteworthy. last month, just 44% believed president trump's policies helped the economy, and now it jumped to 51%. what changed in the last month? >> well, we had a very good fourth quarter of the stock market as you said. that's not the real economy, granted, but it has a trickle down effect on a lot of people, there's a feel good factor. the other thing that's beginning to happen is the tight labor market, have begun to see rise in wages on the low end of the economy. so these poorest off, lowest workers are seeing real wage increases.
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not all of that is because of trump policy to be sure. some of it is because states that are run by democrats are instituting minimum wage increases. blue collar jobs are seeing increases for reasons other than trump. i think trump is getting credit for this amongst voters who otherwise would be more skeptical, although there's still a partisan split. republicans still think, are more positive than democrats, numbers for democrats are going up, saying trump policies are helping the economy overall. >> here's the thing. a majority of americans now say his economic policies are working but only 37% say they're better off financially than when he took office. they don't have money in their bank account, what they think he is doing is working. how do you square that. >> that's the disconnect. we talk to polsters and people that respond to the polls, we are hearing it may be a one month blip. pollsters said in december,
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people are happier, spending on christmas gifts, traveling around the world, having vacation period going on. there tends to be in december polling more optimistic mood with voters generally. you see this in any election cycle. it may be a one month blip where people are saying i feel good, let's give trump credit, could see a drop back down. we do a new poll next month. as you say, that key question, ronald reagan question that you led the segment on, there's no significant move in that number, it has always been in the mid-30s, only a third of americans feel better off. again, big swing states in the u.s., wisconsin, pennsylvania, michigan, states where trump really won the election, you look at those states, there's not support for trump economic policies. wisconsin is only 37% say the trump policies helped. you've seen pockets of places where he is getting credit, you're not seeing people feeling better, and in key states which he needs to hold onto, there's
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skepticism whether he is helping or hurting the economy. >> what's the democratic counter argument, go to swing states, keep telling the story? the president is pounding the narrative that any democrat elected will tank the economy. >> i think you do have to go there. trade policies in particular, one of the questions we asked this month, are you worried about the trade war. it was interesting. 75% of americans thought the trade war was hurting the economy. that may have helped them this time, remember trump got the china trade deal announced before we went into the field with the poll, there was some positive sentiment behind trade. big agricultural states, those are places that are beginning to feel the bite of the trade war. so i think you go to the states, you argue that the trade war has hurt. the other thing, you have to make the argument that minimum wage increases, although you are feeling the benefit, blue collar workers, that's not because of trump trade policies, those are largely democratic policies being enacted. may be too nuanced argument to
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make in a campaign ad or facebook post, but there are democratic arguments they have been more helpful to blue collar workers than trump himself. >> thank you so much. important conversation. it is all about the dollars. we'll leave it there. we have got to talk about the royal rumble sending shock waves across the world. prince harry and meghan markle now say they'll soon step back as senior members of the royal family. the couple announced the decision yesterday saying, quote, we have chosen to make a transition this year, starting to carve out a progressive new role within this institution, but the queen says not so fast, writing this. discussions with the duke and duchess of sussex are at an early stage. these are complicated issues that will take time to work through. the always reserved british press, granting the move megxit.
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the iowa caucuses 20 days away but ongoing crisis between united states and iran may have change the entire state of the race. joining me to discuss democratic strategist, ceo of canary, also a republican donor. dan, you have a quote in the "washington post" that stuck out to me this week where you said the common wisdom of trump is he's incompetent. iran is his opportunity to disprove that. if the economy is good, trump is untouchable in november. explain. >> i think the media is always spinning this narrative trump is incompetent and he can't be trusted and he's a loose cannon. i think sometimes there's data for that, sometimes there's not. trump killed a terrorist, took a
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big risk without knowing what the iranian response would be. he took a big risk. it seems like he's threaded the needle on attacking and killing an iranian terrorist. i think the general is a terrorist. and at the same time found an off-ramp to deescalate the situation where no american troops were killed and the crisis is cooling. i think all of this is a very big risk and could have completely back fired. i think trump at the moment, it looks like the situation is cooling down. it sets him up well against joe biden or pete buttigieg or whoever the democratic nominee is that he's a serious person on foreign policy and he made assertive decisions. >> theres a reason world war iii was trending after trump made the decision he did after he went after soleimani, there's a lot of folks that don't trust his judgment, feel he's capricious. >> hold on. we also can't trust what's trending. >> there are a substantial
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number of voters out here that do question his judgment and do wonder, you know, does he talk to people, does he collaborate. even though he may get some of his highest marks from actions like this, it also creates a lot of tension within republicans. go back to the troop withdrawal from syria where you had a lot of republicans saying is this the right time, are you making this decision appropriately, properly. he does have the risk of creating division even within republicans. at the end of the day, does any of that matter on the republican side? probably not. on the democratic side what it does do it puts biden in a way front and center. you'll have progressives calling out biden for his iraq vote, in a similar situation did you get enough intelligence, make the right decision. who are we going to put up as a nominee who will make a good decision in moments like this. whoever becomes the nominee, i think going to your point you'll have trump going against biden. that's a wash.
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trump could say if it's a warren or sanders, you don't have the guts to make the decision that i did. so i think that's the challenge. >> you're the leader of a major business. think about what you said. common wisdom is that he is incompetent. okay. we're talking about the person who is filling the role as the leader of the free world. in your company would you promote someone to senior management who you describe as incompetent but gets the job done? >> of course we wouldn't. i said that's the conventional wisdom, that's what is coming out of the media and that's what people in the country think. quite the opposite, actually. i think trump has proven he's made a proportional decision and deescalated it. >> how can you see he's proven it, we're 24 hours out. >> at this time as we sit here, if iran strikes again, then i'll be wrong. >> listen, i think the president at this very moment in time, to
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your point, has gotten away with making this strike with iran, deescalating it through channels and saying we're done. we're not doing anything else. but if this goes longer into the summer, which it could very well do, there are real questions about this president's leadership that democrats are going to be able to. >> iran is constantly doing proxy attacks. i think they did them before. if they do them after, we'll see if this accomplished anything or not. >> we'll soon find out. dan, thank you so much. we'll be right back with more. dan, thank you so much we'll be right back with more. is boost high protein. and now, introducing new boost mobility with collagen for joint health. when taken daily, its key nutrients help support joints, muscles, and strong bones. new, boost mobility.
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that wraps up this hour, i'm stephanie rhule. coming up right now more news with hallie jackson. hallie, i guess you've seen it the president tweeting moments ago about the stock market hitting an all-time high asking the american people how there are 409ks are holding. if you would like me to stick around i'd like to but i have no idea what a 409k is. i would like him to explain. >> we'll see if he clarifies that. stephanie, thank you so much. we come on the air with lawmakers ready to put new pressure on trump administration set today for a war powers resolution, what the president can do militarily against iran. that is going down in a matter of hours. even with the new pr push this morning from the vice president and this extra


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