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>> if we march again and 227 days from now, we will make this a turning point for our country and we the new diverse, conclusive compassionate base will lead this country to righteousness. good evening. this is a special saturday night eeitdition of kaet the last word from washington d.c. where 800,000 people gathered to mourn the loss of people kill canned by gun violence and mass murders to protest gun violence, call for new gun laws and warn law makerers that if they don't listen, these people are ready eto vote them out. we saw things on the stage here in washington today that we have never seen before.
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things that have never happened on the stage of large protests like this. the most extraordinary and illuminating thing on that stage today was the simple rule that no adults were allowed to speak. there were no politicians on that stage, although many politicians requested speaking slots today. they were all turned down. the oldest speakers were high school seniors. the youngest was 9-year-old yolanda rene king, the granddaughter of martin luther king jr. we saw things we've never seen from speakers on stage like this. emma gonzales bravely and fiercely held the stage in the middle of her speech for six minutes and 20 seconds off silence in which she forced the
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odd kraudience to expeerience t passage off the exact amount of time a shooter used to kill 17 people in her high school. and we saw fuentes turn away from the it podium and throw up. she bent over and vomited repeatedly and then she, who survived multiple gun shots in the mass shooting at her school, pulled herself back up to the microphone and said this. >> i just threw up on international television and it it feels great. we're not asking for a ban. we're asking for a compromise. fordpet your size and colors, save each other. close the cracks and loopholes
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it with thorough background check cans and psychological. use security protocol methods that are efficient and one more request. listen. our mission is simple and our ambitions are unbeatable. let's keep the guns out of the hands of of the wrong people and keep them in the hands of the safe and reasonable. so either you can can join us or be on the side of history that prioritized their guns over the lives of others. the only way we can do this is numbers. let's have our law makers address our struggles. let's stand. kruni i unite one another. now america, you will have to
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choose. will you give up or is enough enough? >> emma gonzales was the last speaker on the stage today and she brought everyone back to the moment that created today's event. >> 6:20 with an ar-15 and my friend, carmen, would never complain to me about piano practice. erin feiss would never call keira ms. sunshine, allen would never walk in to school with his brother ryan. scott beagle with would never joke around with cameron at camp, helena ramsey would never -- joaquin oliver would never play basketball with sam or dillen. alaina patty would never, kara legn are would never, luke hoyer would never. peter wang would never, alyssa
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would never, jaime guttenberg would never. pollak would never. >> leading off our discussion this evening, chavez, a 17-year-old student in los angeles. she also spoke at today's march in washington about losing her brother to gun violence when he auz in high school. and we're joined by two students from parkland high school. they both marched in washington today and with us from parkland florida is another of their fellow students who spoke at the rally in parkland, florida. edna, start us off. what dedid it feel like up there? you flew here from los angeles today. did it feel like mission accomplished? >> yes, of course.
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i was really nervous. >> you did not appear to be nervous and none of these high school speakers up there in front of 800,000 people in washington today appeared to be nervous and i got to tell you we were all standing there when you would be introduced with your ages and grades thinking when we were juniors in high school we couldn't possibly do this. you looked like you owned the place when you were up there. >> no, i was very nervous. i was like gasping for air and stuff, not knowing what to do. i did my little -- asking god to give me strength and make sure my voice is loud and now i'm here sitting with you. >> rebecca, some of the people from parkland stayed in parkland. obviously it was a big demonstration in parkland. how did you make the decision about whether to am can here or
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stay there? >> i had a discussion with with my advisor of my newspaper and we made the decision that it was best for me to use my skills as a journalist and my pagds as an actress and someone who wants to create change to come here where the action was and we had some people stay back and report in parkland because we knew that was important as well to talk about. >> what was your day today as a journalist? >> i pretty much spent the entire time in the student area. i wouanted to be with my friend. i walked around. i took interviews of people who came from los angeles, chicago, people that came from new town and i got a lot of people's stories and i waulked around on the side and met with this woman who had lost her dotter to gun violence and it was an amazing
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experience. >> julian, what were you hoping for today and what do you feel was accomplished? >> a big crowd and that was more than accomplished. it showed law makers we're not going anywhere and we're here to stay sfw stay. >> i want to go to parkland now. 800,000 people in washington. there's so many things about this march we saw in washington today we've never seen before in other events like it in washington. tell us about what happened in parkland today. >> the turnout was so unbelievable. we had about 30 thousand are rr people come today. it was so unbelievable. we had people all around town, other towns. it was so great. we had several students come canning up today. >> president and michelle obama tweeted today "michelle and i
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are so inspired by all the young people who made today's marches happen. keep that. nothing can can stand in the way of millions of voices calling for change." what does it mean to you when the former president and first lady send that message to you? >> it means a lot. it really means a lot. even people who didn't know my name until now, it meant a lot. it it showed me that my words do matter and my voice especially does matter and people like even got emotional about the words i was speaking, the truth i was speaking. it's something magical, empowering and something that makes me feel more resilient than i already am. >> there's a lot of talk on the stage about how everyone involved in this, the younger students are on their way to
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being voters. some of them will be voters this year but others within the next cup canal of years and certainly a lot of politicians were watching. none of them on that stage today. but what is your message to the politicians who this demonstration was trying to reach today? >> that if you don't change what you want and everybody else wants, we're going to vote you out. >> and what they've always been relying on is that these newly registered voters are the voters who very frequently don't show up in the polls. do you feel a change in that now? >> 100%. after krv rr seen ti've seen th of young people out there today, i think it's going to be crazy in november when we vote sdplp h. >> how much off the talk was about voting them out. >> one of the speeches.
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after all the speeches today, our politicians heard our voices about gun reform that we want change. >> rebecca, has your journalism turned up where and how the decision was made, that there would be no adult speakers on the stage in washington today had can i have to say was absolutely brilliant. >> for me, a lot of my friends were on the stages. >> i think it was also really empowering for me. we asked george clooney like the eagle eye newspaper if we could interview him and he sent us back a letter saying i think you should be interviewing only the kids.
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that message coming from people that are adults, that they want the kids can to be that forefront of this is so empowering to me and i think all of us. sometimes we're dissolutioned whether our voice matters and we're able to see that we do have a voice and able to make a change. >> and george clooney was there and his wife was with with him, stephen speielberg was there. none of them trying to get on that stage and none of them trying to speak and all of them being very friendly with people wanting to take pictures with them but none of them seeking any of that attention. that's a very unusual thing. usually they use celebrities as a draw and there were celebrity singers up there helping with
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the spirit of the event but they left it up to you to deliver that message today. did you feel a responsibility, that kind of responsibility when you're up there? >> yeah, most definitely. this movement alone is already youth led and that's something that -- something you would never, ever seen and the fact that so many young people were given this opportunity to speak and vocalize thoughts it's so inspiring. so empowering. i can't stress that word enough. >> we're going to have to take a break here. coming up, we will be joined by a survivor that spoke from sandy
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♪ ♪ tomorrow there will be more of
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us ♪ ♪ out of the shadows's the way around the unt cannery. new york city there were 175,000 people marching. thousands marched in los angeles, san francisco, chicago, boston, raleigh, north carolina and around the world in london, paris, sidney. one of the speakers in washington today was jackson middleman, a survivor at sandy hook innic can kk can in 2012 when 20 children and six educators were murdered. >> mr. trufrmp, congress, the senate, you have failed us and we have had enough of our nra agenda. i'm calling out those who have taken money from the nra.
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you better bring that check to the bank because we're going to vote you out. >> jackson middleman joins us now. and a sophomore at chevy chase high school and a junior at montgomery blair high school in silver spring. and jackson, what grade were you in at sandy hook elementary? >> are i was at reed intermediate school. i was in sixth grade. >> but all the schools with were locked down that day. >> we were in lock down for about five 1/2 hours. >> and here you are in high school. a lot of people believed that sandy hook was going to pbe the thing that made this town, washington, finally react. that didn't happen. here we are again. do you see something different now than after sandy hook?
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>> i see that these students are older and they have the maturity and a different level of knowledge to use their voices and they took advantage of the mead cruthdia they have. when it happened in sandy hook, sixth gradearrs didn't know howo start foundations by themselves and these high schoolers have lived through these shootings. they've already had enough and when it came to their town, they had the anger and the knowledge to start a movement. >> rachel, the nra and most of the republican party says you're not old enough to talk about these things and think about these things and there's no reason for people to spend the day listening to high school students as we did today in washington. there could cannan't have been clearer proof of how wrong that
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is today. >> as the youth, we are the future. we are the next generation, the future of this country. and once the current generation is gone, we're up next. >> jackson, when this shooting occurred on valentine's day -- it's one thing for us, adults -- in the news media we have react. put what's it like to be a public school student anywhere in america can on the day when these shootings occur? it doesn't happen in krour school. but does it feel like it could? >> kryes. i feel like we are scared. we don't know if the next shooting's going to be at our school. i don't know where it's going to happen and i don't want to be next and that's why this movement is happening. >> jackson, one of the things about the stage today in washington is it wasn't just the
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kids from parkland. it was quite a wide geographic distribution and recognizing there's a variety of different ways to die from guns. there were kids from chicago talking about the kind of murder in the streets that can can occur there randomly and otherwise. so this seems to me today to be the event that really pulled all gun violence together and put the focus on where that violence am cans from, which is guns. >> you know and i think a lot of people when they think of gun violence, they think of the mass shootings we see so highly broadcast. paddock with wihis bump stock a nickilous cruise with the ar-15 but the majority do am can from handguns and some people may not
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have known that, some may have. but it's not just about the mass shootings. 96 americans are killed every day. what the point of showing all the different gun violence, the chicago kids, the sandy hook kids and the parkland kids is while most of them were mass shootings, gun violence takes on so many more forms than the highly broadcasted mass shootings. >> where were you on this issue before the shooting at stoneman douglas. >> i definitely knew that i wanted gun control. but i was nowhere near as passionate as today. it's sad it takes a tragedy to bring us to where we are now in terms of the discussion ca, the national dialogue. but i'm glad we're coming to our
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senses and realizing this is an issue we can't stand by and let innocent people be killed just because we're apathetic. >> did february 14th change this issue for you? >> it emphasized the issue. it was the day i feel most people were like something really, really needs to change. people were scared this was going to happen after sandy hook and it didn't. now we're not going to stop until -- starting from this movement, no one is going to stop until something happens. >> thank you for joining us. really appreciate it. am c coming up a father who lost his child joins the protest here. wll my gums are irritated.
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. can you please repeat these words after me. spread the word. have you heard all across the nation. we are going to be a great generation.
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>> our elected officials have seen american after american drop from a bullet and instead of waking up to protect us, they have been hitting the snooze button but we're here to shake them awake. each has a local office in their district. so pay them a vizt or organize a town hall. they'll be home for the next two weeks for congressional recess. have them hear you out because they work for us. >> joining our discussion now. his youngest son daniel was killed five years ago in the sandy hook shooting in connecticut. and a student at timber creek high school in orlando. he's here with his mother, jill. everyone here marched in the march in washington today. mark, you've been to a number of
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events and protests over the years since the tragedy that occurred in your family. this one was unusual. no adults speaking on the stage. you would have been un of the adults that would speak on a stage like this normally. what did you make of that particular choice today? >> i think it was really powerful. i don't think there was anybody over 18 on that stage. the content, the production value. i think it was so powerful, so impactful. they got an amazing message across. we're in the midst of 800,000 people all speaking the same language and the same message. it was incredible. >> jordan, what made you want to be here in washington today? >> what made me want to be here is i'm tired of going to school and being afraid and i can could have just stayed in orlando but so could have the parkland can kids. so i needed to come up here and
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support my fellow epeers. them living two hours away from me. >> and in orlando, you've been through this before in a mass shooting in a night club there. the school shootings have a different feel and different vulnerability. but what made you want to support this today and make sure your son was here? >> well, i have a son who goes to school every day and knowing when i send him to school not knowing whether he's going to come can a back, i feel as a parent we need to be there for them and let them know their fears are real. >> are they now talking about this fear? is this an openly discussed fear in school today? >> with wiother parents i spoke with with. they should be able to be free and go to movies and go to school and do all these things. but when you send them off in
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their cars, that used to be your worry. now you're worried in the local spots, even schools, whether or not they're going to come home. >> one thing in a movement like this is you're always looking for reinforcements, who's coming along to help push this thing because you know how hard it is to push. what does it feel like now to have this group out there with you? >> it's incredibility. this group is a force to be reckoned. and not just in their numbers but their passion and advocacy. they're old enough to be informed and it's come to their own doorstep. and they're saying this is not acceptable. we're going to advocate for our own future and i think that's a very powerful message we're going to have to deal with. >> and you've seen them already make advances than is more than
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was achieved after sandy hook. even the move on bump stocks. >> law makers listening and these guys are going to be voting soon and not only voting, but i think they're going to be occupying these law maker's seats as well. so watch out because here they come. >> talk about your class mates and their attitude towards this. >> i think the thing that's changed is in reality a lot of people our age just go school not wanting to think about it and not wanting to accept reality. but knowing that it's there and i think we finally just cracked due to kids our age coming out and saying we're tired of it and using social media to promote it and realize it's a huge issue and eenough is enough. we're not worth $1.05.
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>> and that was a calculation made based on contributions made by rubio saying that's the equivalent to over $3 million he's gotten from the nra. there's over 3 million public school students in florida. has it the politics of this changed for the parents in florida? >> i can't speak for all the parents but i can can speak for the few i know and knowing they can can see we're having people paid off and for a small price that is being put on our children's heads. thatt ewe need to be more clearf what ear rr voting for and not be afraid to vote for and pay attention to what's really going on behind the scenes. >> the final word that emma gonzales that they were singing
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about and chanting about at the end. what have you learned that you want emma gonzales and these students to know. >> people talk about this before they hurt themselves or other people. and we know we can train people how to recognize warning signs and prevent a tragedy from happening and that's the core of the work i'm doing. krl are i'll be honest with you. i have a 17 year old and a 15-year-old. and i just hope they're going to come can back. we know this is is preventible and know we can train students and adults how to recognize warning signs and take the next step to prevent this from happening again. >> and jordan. what is the message that you're hoping the -- the demonstration
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in parkland, boston, los angeles, all across the count cannery? >> change is going to happen and the declaration of independence also supports change to it and that's what's got to happen. >> how support rv have your teachers been in response to this? >> i came down here by myself. so i haven't talked to many teachers about it. but i have one teacher who's very supportive. she just saw a picture of me here today and he just said thank you so much. you're the type of people that will change this world. >> jordan, jill harris, thank you. thank you very much for joining us tonight. coming up the protesters kept shouting vote them out today. not just in washington but
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♪ i rise unafraid i rise up and i do it ♪ this is not the end of
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anything. this is the beginning. this is the beginning of the revolution and this is going to require every single american getting involved. this is a an american issue we must work together as americans to solve. >> the author of "columbine." and has been covering parkland for vanity fair. the author off the new best seller, "russian roulette." it reminds me of when i saw young john kerry testify to the senate foreign relations commit aduring the vietnam war about what the vietnam war was really doing to soldiers and everyone. is there wasn't a person in the room that day that didn't think they weren't looking senator. and you look at david hog today and it has that same feel and
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some of the other kids. the idea they may come back to this town some day as members of congress or senators is not at all far fetched. >> i think krour rr right pout that. it seems most a generational thing. there's always a standout in any given enterprise. but the number of standouts we've seen from parkland students. my daughter's been active in conjungting with them. their sophistication,ey've all n up with with social media. i think this is the positive side. their bs detecter. you've been to a lot of demonstration and marches in the last 30/40 years and yv are rr never been at one with such an intense feeling off authenticity
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and i mean i've been inspired and blown away and it comes from their leadership, from these kids. >> first washington protest i was in high school. driving down with my brother. vietnam war protest. and to be here today, i met some kids who road down from boston on a bus at midnight, riding back from boston. i met people from all over the count country, texas, colorado, everywhere. and these kids weren't born yet when columbine occurred. have you been sitting there are for years now wondering when this was going to happen? or were you able to see what it was going to take for this to happen? >> i was totally waiting for something. for many years after columbine the question was why did they do
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it? idea are rr say the last five years idea are rr say that's really change. >> i kcould see david as a poliy walk. emma's more likely to be the next oprah or something. and cameron, maybe the next john oliver. i don't know all in washington but those two i can could see in washington actually. >> lets are 's listen to camry stage. >> to the leaders, skeptics and sinnics who told us to sit down
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and stay silent, wait your turn. with welcome to the revolution. politicians, either represent the people or get out. the people demand a law banning the sale of assault weapons. they demand we prohibit the sale of high capacity wep withens. beware, the voters are coming. >> in the coverage of this kind of stuff, prior to february 14th the way to sound smart on shows like this was to say nothing's going to happen. those politicians aren't going to do anything. that doesn't sound so smart now. >> we thought after newtown five years ago that was going to be the moment. elementary school kids slaughtered. how could can, mainly republicans -- i know kids didn't want to make this a partisan issue.
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but lets are rr be honest mainly republicans blocked reforms. and what i liked hearing today was the anger. but it was not anger tied to sinnism is. it was anger tied to energizing and let's do something about it. anger can be positive or negative. eve we've all become cynical in washington. i remember how cynical i was. but take that anger and make it an enobling emotion. is what i found so moving today. and i hope they all can hang on to this. i mean they haven't made one wrong move. their strat jzing has been spot on and as they all said today. this is the start.
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what i wonder is how much of the fierceness we're seeing is actually something that happened to them on that battle field, that before february 14th they might not have this kind of thing in them. >> i think they did. i don't know if it's fate or chosen. these are kind of amazing kids and also. they have these resources. they have an inschool tv, productions. cameron was in an improv group they created. he's in a proefessional production. and they were kind of ready to go on something and the ball was handed and they picked up and ran. they're special kids.
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why? is they're an exceptional bunch. it it landed in their lap. >> but they're also self aware of that and the way they reached out to other communities that don't have the resources they have and they've made this beyond assault weapons in their community but what's happening chicago, l.a., d.c. i mean they are exceptional in terms of resources, talent, education and the ability to see beyond their own tragedy sdplp totally sdp totally. >> that's what's amazing. >> but i've been watching them and all they would talk about was going to innercity kids can, chicago. every time i talk to them, they've been at a high school. they have been working behind the scenes and saying we don't want this to be about -- black kids can in chicago are being killed. be don't want this about school
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arie will continue our live coverage in the next hour. for this hour the last word goes to the elementary and high school students who are moving the mountain. >> for we are survivors. let me say that again for you.
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for we are survivors. we are survivors of a cruel and silent nation. >> were the 17 at douglas not enough? the 26 at sandy hook? enough is enough. the 49 at pulse. enough is eeenough. the 58 in las vegas. enough is enough. the 96 in america who die from guns every single day but bhooz stories you never hear. enough is enough. >> this needs to change. we've been fighting for this way too long and nothing has changed and we need change now. >> if teachers start packing heat, are they going to arm our pasters, ministers and rabbis? are they going to arm the guy with with tickets that movie
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theater? are they going to arm the person wearing the mickey mouse costume at disney? this is what the national rifle association wants and we will not stand for it. >> for my i would like to not worry about dying and focus on math and science and playing basketball with with my friends. though i deserve to grow up? >> he pulls out this silver pistol and points it in my face and says these words that to this day haunt me and give me nightmares. he said if you say anything i will find you. and yet i'm still saying something today. >> we're going to make sure the best people get in our elections to run, not as politicians but as americans. because this, this is not cut canning it. >> i represent the african american with women who represent victims of gun violence. i'm here to say never again for
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those girls too. >> they demand we prohibit the sale of high capacity magazines. stand for us or beware the voters are coming. our live coverage continues. i'm ari melber. we've been looking at a massive show of force, a history-making run to end gun violence right here in the nation's capital. but the big question is what happens next? in florida we've seen some gun control legislation passed in the wake of the parkland massacre, but what happens in washington and in the congress and around the country after we witness what happened today, something relatively unusual. a million people marching for gun control reform. and what happens after demonstrators flood the streets in many other cities you can see here around the country today, san francisco, dallas, boston,
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atlanta, miami and l.a., just some of the places where crowds were even larger than expected. in washington this was of course led not by an interest group, not by a long planned political process, but led by people who became activists because they were survivors, students from parkland, from the massacre that left 17 murdered and is now spreading around the country. >> i would like to not worry about dying and focus on math and science and playing basketball with my friends. [ cheers ] >> don't i deserve to grow up? >> for far too long, these names, these black girls and women have been just numbers. i'm here to say never again for those girls, too. >> it's time for the nation to realize gun violence is more than a chicago problem or parkland problem, it's an american problem. >> i have lived in south l.a. my entire life and have lost many loved ones to gun violence. this is normal.
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normal to the point that i have learned to duck from bullets before i learned how to read! >> it was a movement that went global today. the marches ranged across six continents and here in america across all 50 states. another important number is five. that's how many school shootings we have seen since the parkland massacre just 38 days ago. now, the mission statement of this march was pretty clear. organizers saying they're demanding a comprehensive and effective bill immediately before congress to address all of these gun issues. what does that legislation look like? after today are we closer to it becoming a reality? we want to take our live coverage here and go forward into what comes next. christine linenin is with me. her son was killed in the pulse night club shooting in orlando and our other two guests survived a mass shooting and also joined by our democratic strategist who has an eye on
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what will go down in congress. across the table today, what did today mean to you? >> it was epic. it was epic highs and epic lows. i couldn't believe the number of speakers that touched me emotionally and the support in the community. it's endearing to know that so many people are taking gun violence seriously now. this has been brewing, i know since my son's murder i've been vocal but it hasn't reached the level of parkland, and i think it's because there were three hurricane force shootings in four and a half months. so these kids grow up with
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active shooter drills and then they get hit bam, bam, bam, one category i hurricane after another, vegas, sullivan springs and then them. how do you rebound from that psychologically? these kids are rebounding in the only way they know and that's to speak out and they speak out in social media and they rallied the world. >> it was so inspiring to see the students today, their courage, their initiative. most can't even vote yet but it will be a tidal wave when they can, i think. and it's just -- it's amazing. and i know christine just mentioned the active shooter drills. they've grown up with this in their schools and they are demanding change and we are there to support them as the other survivors of shootings and the other tragedies. >> jason? >> these kids today just amazing. the air around everyone there,
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when it was silent, it was so silent and when it got loud, it was so loud. such a great feeling. the vegas shooting, we survived along with 20 other people, it just took these 14 kids to start a revolution. it was unbelievable to see finally something happening. >> yeah, these young people have taken a really tragic moment and turned it into a global movement. this is not going to go away any time soon. if you look across history, every movement that's been powerful has been started by young people, 18-year-olds, 19-year-olds and 20-year-olds. i think we're seeing that now. and what's also awesome to me, the undertone was highly political, even though it want partisan. we have carlos guillermo smith in the pulse district elected there. we are see mothers and these young people planning to run for office to get rid of these elected officials who do nothing on both sides of the aisle for
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that matter. i think the power for the political moment and the democracy in action is what's going to resonate for decades to come. >> let's take a listen to a few democrats talking about what they saw today and perhaps being more vocal on this issue than they have been at other times in recent history. >> a.r.-15s don't belong in our streets. these kids are holding us accountable. >> the young people who were out there in the street today, they are not going to settle for the same old same old. they want change and they have the energy. >> they're teaching us. i'm not giving them a message, they're giving as you message. >> jason, how do you test that against what politicians also do, certainly in both party, which is say the right things on the right day and then move along? >> i think it's a matter of
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creating this moment and turning it into this movement. we need to keep pushing and keep making sure they do more. we see small pieces happening, but we really need comprehensive reform. i think this is what starts today. i think we started with a million in d.c. it going to grow. this is just the beginning. you see them empowered. they want to go out and do more. they're young kids with a long life ahead of them and a lot of time on their hands to make sure something happens. >> did either of you who lived through a similar type of mass shooting have strong views on gun control before hand or do you feel this was a process where you got more engaged afterward? >> i certainly got more engaged. now 40% of americans know someone who has died by gun violence and more and more people every day sadly, and those people are going to get their families involved, their friends involved, their communities involved to make sure that this comprehensive change happens. and i'm certainly one of them. >> i grew up in suburban florida, not that far from both pulse and parkland.
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many of my friends owned guns back then and i just thought it was normal, thought it was a normal part of life. i moved up to the northeast and a lot of my more conservative friends would tell me how fine it was. at that time i didn't know the issue until i was under gun fire. that's the moment that i woke up. this is not acceptable. change needs to happen. it wasn't an issue for me and now it's the only issue for me. >> well, i'm hopeful and optimistic but cautiously optimistic because, like you say, people, politicians put the spin on it, say the right words, get elected and do nothing. and that's been historical. and even though young people have been the voice or power to change historically as well, i'm cautiously optimistic because i'm going to wait until november. and november will be telling. it will -- we will know whether
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this march was effective. >> i totally agree with you. you know, what has me really fired up and jazzed up and hopeful about today, the energy was just infectious. even out in the green room here the energy is awesome. but i am really hopeful because the politicians aren't the power. the people are the power. and we saw that on display today. and i think that, you know, just listening to these young folks talk about their movement that they're creating, it is inclusive. it compassionate. this issue is not one that's about any single group. it's actually about us all collectively and the diversity that was on display, the many voices raised up, i thought that was exactly who we want to be as a nation and where we're going and that's the power. i think that will demonstrate and play out in our politics. it makes me hopeful these are the people who are leading us right now and we have so much to learn from them. i'm certainly inspired. >> you know that one of the reasons this is a tough issue is people tend to respond a lot
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more intensely to having something taken away. so the people who care deeply their guns are the ones to tend to get upset either because they think it will affect them or they are wrongly told that because of these groups, a lot of them affect a small subset responsible for so much damage. what do you think about the politics of that, knowing how hard that's been, specifically for democrats? a lot of democrats felt they lost seats in the '94 race after the assault weapons ban? >> we're decades away from that. i think we're a different america. this idea that we don't want something taken from us. so many young people's lives have been taken from us and they are so much more profound and meaningful than somebody as gun that i don't even think the two go hand in hand. let's be real. the nra spend a ton of money.
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i love the labels people were wearing today, marco rubio, calling him out for the fact that he's taken over $3.3 million by the nra. if you divide that by the number of students in the state of florida, technically the value is $1.05 per student, right? the fact that marco rubio doesn't really value students is real. we have to talk about those lives, those lives matter. they can't be taken away from us. forget the guns. >> thank you to each of you. we have a bit more on some of what you just mentioned later in the hour. i also want to share something from a speech from the granddaughter of dr. martin luther king jr. >> we're also going to look at how the parkland generation is
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>> we're also going to look at how the parkland generation is using social media to galvanize and organize and a woman who received backlash for destroying her own gun. all that next. welcome to the revolution.
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welcome to the revolution. [ cheers and applause ] it is a powerful and peaceful one because it is of, by and for the young people of this country. americans are being attacked in churches, night clubs, movie theaters and on the streets, but we the people can fix this. >> one big feature of this particular event today that was different than many in the past was social media. it stitched together the march in washington and many events as we were just discussing around the country and the world, starting with the first moments of the tragic shooting at marjory stoneman douglas high school, which themselves were shared on social media. i want to warn you before we play this, although it's part of the reality, but it also may be distressing. [ gunshot ] >> my god. >> that was social media showing what was happening.
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since then many students have parkland, florida have made their voices heard pro actively and they've used social media to call people out, to criticize what they want to change and to organize each other under hash tags like never again. that is part of what led up to today's event organized by those same students. many took the opportunity today to talk to their fellow classmates about being voters. >> at some point we have to stop and realize enough is enough! we are here because our voices matter. we are here because we know we can make a change. we've already seen what we can do. our voices do matter. march, rally and register to vote. never let anybody tell you what you can or can't do. we are the change we wish to see in the world. we are the future. enough is enough! >> a colleague of mine who has been looking at so long media
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not only as content but also as part of democracy, as part of civic organizer is nbc's savannah sellers and she was right by many people's sides as she took it in today. >> we were there the first time they saw the stage and them just saying i can't believe my school made something this big. other students are coming up to them telling them thank you for starting this, i'm 17, you're 17, the same age at me and you're my role model now. savannah joins me. thanks for being here. >> absolutely. thanks for having me. >> a long day. one of the things that we saw today that you've been looking at up close is what happens online doesn't always stay online, it goes off line. talk to us about how these communications and this organizing online helped build what looked like bigger events. >> absolutely. so from the first moment of that video you just played when the shooting was taking place, i've been down in parkland a couple times and talking to kids about stuff like that. they just said it was my first reaction, i took my phone out and snapchatted it because i've
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done it a thousand times. that's what this age does. they're using those same tools they're so used to using to communicate with their friends to communicate about something like this. as these kids gain traction, emma gonzalez with millions of twitter signs now. how many signs did you see with emma gonzalez's face on there? kids are being so inspired by kids that look like them because they're their age. there are little girl as young as 6 years old saying she inspired them. they're 6. after i was walking out of the march, this sounds like i was making it up, it was too perfect. there were little girls on bicycles saying "i met emma gonzalez today." they want to rally around kid that look just like them and these are kid that have platforms of literally millions at a time when they're coming of voting age. >> i want to talk about david,
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very well spoken obviously. let's take a listen. >> for the first time voters show up 18% of time in mid-term elections. not anymore. and to those politicians that support the nra that allow them to threaten our future, you say get your resumé's ready. >> some my question the more we put on these students and they start to pick up the mannerisms, you come into the studio often enough, put on make-up often enough, it could happen to anyone. they pick up some of the ticks and habits of older professional organizers, is the movement be professionalized and how did you see the folks balancing the many roles they're being asked to
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play about something that's so near and dear to them, they lost so many of their fellow students. >> that's an interesting question. i've run the gamut of knowing the kids, i have a show on snapchat as well as kids in the classrooms who haven't been all over doing speeches and stuff like that. i this it's a balancing act. i will say david speaks now like he could be a politician right now. i think that a couple things. i think that, you know, if you agree with these kids, they're 17 and 18 years old, i don't even want to call them kids because what they're doing is so powerful. they're 17 and 18 years old and they're your heros. if you disagree with them, i heard a lot today there's a possibility that you're scared of them and that either way is power.
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and i talked to a bunch of people out there volunteering to get kids, young people who are about to be 18, about to be 18, encouraging them to register to vote. i asked did you get a lot to register? we did but more surprising was how many people we went up to and they said we already have registered because of this. >> and it's fine, that's the process. you figure what grows out of what has moved a lot of people today, a very big gathering led by what are untraditional or novice, in the best sense of the word, novice activists. donald trump was in florida today. he went quiet as hundreds of thousands marched around the country. >> the president is irrelevant. he's just going to do what the nra tells them to do. but these young people standing up, registering to vote and
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voting, this should be the ultimate bipartisan issue. there's nothing republican or democratic about reducing gun violence and letting kids have their childhoods. >> and if there is no supreme court stated right to assault-style weapons, why do you hear that argument so much? i have a special guest, a woman who posted her own video destroying her own a.r.-15 when we continue. >> we lost a president, president kennedy. we lost a leader by the name of martin luther king jr. because of gun violence. we lost a young senator by the name of robert kennedy that i worked for because of gun violence. we must end gun violence once
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gun control can mean many things to many people but today over and over we heard two letters and two numbers, ar-15. the parkland shooter used the ar-15 style assault weapons. it's been used most in the last shootings over the years. it's prompted some owners to rethink their ownership. >> a while back my husband bought this ar-15. i wasn't happy about it and i told him i wand this gun out of my house. and he agreed with me. and then we saw emma gonzalez's speech and we realized we didn't want this gun in anybody else's house either.
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so today we're going to destroy it. >> you don't see that every day. the woman in that video is named karen mallard. she's a democrat, which is reminder that democratic households have these kind of weapons. she's also a congressional candidate from virginia and she's also my guest here after this big in d.c. thanks for being here. >> thank you so much for having me. >> first question, i got to hit you right out the gate, was that a stunt because you're running for office or did that come from a deeper place? >> that came from the children that came out, emma gonzalez and the other children who were standing up and speaking out about trying to save their lives. and then people were criticizing them, they were saying they were actors and they were going after them on social media. and i'm like you're not going to do that to students. i'm going to stand up for these students and i want them to continue fighting. would want them to give up
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because they're being attacked. i wanted them to know they were being heard. i didn't want this gun in my house anymore and i showed my husband emma's speech and he agreed. >> you should him the video of the speech online? >> and how impassioned he was. he's like okay being you want to destroy it, all right. and he filmed me doing it. >> why did he want an ar-15 in the first place? >> he enjoys shooting with his brother and his friends. it's just a pastime and it's something they do. >> so he keeps the ar-15 at the house, goes and shoots at the range and comes back and locks it up? >> yes, we have a gun safe. >> and how many other guns do you have in the house? >> we have to other handguns. >> so for him as a gun owner, sounds like you guys still have the other guns?
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>> yes, we have handguns. >> so he's still down with the guns. >> what did you drop on a gun like that? >> i think it was like $700. >> so did he want to resell it? i said no, no, no, i don't want it in anybody else's house. >> you didn't want that ar-15 going back out on the market. >> here's the thing. i'm an elementary school teacher. i've been teaching 30 years. and after sandy hook i had given up all hook that anything would ever be done. i mean, those precious babies were killed and i didn't think there would be any kind of gun reform or anything. and then those students spoke out and they were so brave after what they went through. it was so horrific, just going through that gun violence and the shooting and then they stood up and speaking truth to power and brave.
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so i just wanted to do something. and i had -- it's such a huge problem, but i can do one thing. i can take this one gun out of commission and destroy one gun. >> did you ever shoot the ar back when you had it? >> no, i never shot the ar. >> did he tell but shooting it? >> it just his friends, they have fun shooting them, they enjoy shooting them. >> i shot one on a range once and, i mean, you cannot believe the amount of deadly force inside that thing. and then i guess it depends on your reaction. i was working on a story about guns and gun control. we shot it and i just thought that's an awful lot of force for anyone to just have in their hands at any time. >> yeah. he didn't ask me about it. he bought it and brought it home and i was not happy about it. we argued about it quite a bit. >> but that's what happens,
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right? you have family discussions about things. >> yes, you do. >> when you talk to voters about this, is this going to be your number one issue is gun control or one among many? >> it's one among many, my main one as an educator for 30 years is public education. that was my catalyst to run for office when betsy devos was confirmed as secretary of education. she's completely unqualified to oversee the education of millions of children. >> you're going off topic here but you have an interesting story. is it weird or ironic to you she's the secretary of education but she seems -- i try to say thing diplomatically but she seems uninformed about a lot of things? >> that's very diplomatic. she's completely unqualified to oversee the education of millions of children. she and trump are trying to do away with public education and i can't stand by and watch it happen. >> you're at an intersection here, we're at schools and
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students and talking about guns and who should have them. your campaign seems wrapped up in both these issues. >> and we should not arm teachers with children. we need to arm them with what we need to teach our children. >> straight ahead, florida senator marco rubio under more pressure about his close ties from the nra and he's hearing about it from a student. and another student is moving the nation to tears with silence. we'll explain what we come back in 90 seconds. >> one life is worth more all the guns in america. this is not a red versus blue issue. this is a morals issue. >> we are not for bread crumbs, we are here to change. we are here to lead.
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mr. trump, congress, the senate and all elected leaders of america, you have failed us and we have had enough of your nra agenda. i'm calling out those who have taken money from the nra. you better bring that check to the bank and put it in your retirement fund because we're going to vote you out! much of the talk today was not just about politicians in general but nra specifically and a rally against those who work with or take money from the nra. marco rubio is under fire for his answer to will he continue to take the nra money? he tweeted protest is a good way to make a point today but making a change will require both side to find common ground. >> i'm going to start off by
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putting this price tag right here as reminder for you guys, to know how much marco rubio took for every student's life in florida. >> i'm joined by rick tyler, msnbc analyst and let's get to it. why shouldn't there be a federal ban on these assault-style weapons that most experts say are primarily offensive weapons mean they're constructed in a way and draw be on the history of war in a way that are designed to do what we see them down, which is kill large numbers of people on offense, not defensive weapons for the home or hunting? >> guns are unsafe, they're dangerous if they're not used properly or used in a way that's responsible. i used how to shoot, ari, when i was 9 years old by the ymca,
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which was an nra program. i wish the nra would focus on safety -- >> do you know what you would focus on? >> on the question. >> the first thing you said is what made people so frustrated about this debate. if your position is defensible, defend it. the ar-15 style assault weapon. speak to those. >> what is an assault weapon? >> you go. >> i don't know. an assault weapon seems to be an ugly military style weapon but it doesn't shoot any differently than the gun i have, which is a deer rifle or it can be a hunting rifle. >> but why is it so important? -- why is it important for you to make sure they're available? many guns are available. you said you shot first when you were 9? >> 9 years old. >> i shot first when i was about 11. so much you got me beat by two years if we want to play that debate but why the assault style weapons?
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>> it doesn't fundamentally shoot any differently than my rifle that looks like an order hunting rifle. the trigger mechanism is the same, it doesn't shoot harder, doesn't go any faster. >> that's a critique of the nature of the rules but why do you want to make sure these are out in the market? >> people use them for target practice and for self-defense. people would say how many -- how many bullets do i need to defend myself? and in some states would say you can only is nine. in other states you can have 30. >> erin? >> i just can't believe any of this. i didn't shoot for the first time until i was 30 and i was scared out of my mind, sweaty palms, the whole thing. you know, and i shot with a very easy gun. you're talking about fun. do you have to have all of that to have fun? >> shooting is fun.
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i mean, look, weapons are dangerous in the wrong hands but weapons should be treated with respect, life should be treated as respect. that's what i grew up in. we -- >> are you comfortable with the ban on grenades? >> yeah. yeah. and we've -- >> so you -- >> the question is not whether anything is going to be banned. the question is the ar-15, whether the countervailing positive outweigh what is we're seeing them do and all i'm hearing you talk about is how the trigger works. >> but the ar-15 is an ugly looking gun who killed a lot of people but most people who die of firearm violence -- >> this is what made you good when you worked for ted cruz. i say a frame, you flip the phrase. you're good at that. the issue is the value of this gun. you want to talk about whether there's other things in the world? yeah, traffic accidents take a
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lot of lives. you're reframing away. john allen? >> well, crack cocaine is fun. it doesn't necessarily mean it should be available to everyone. >> and it will kill you. >> pause right there. what you just said, one of those things applies to the ar-15s, it does kill you. the other doesn't, it is legal. >> jonathan and then rick. >> i'm not making an argument one way or the other here, i'm saying the argument that it's fun doesn't necessarily mean it should be legal. i think we've seen something really important today and over the course of the last few weeks and i know people are deeply frustrated on the left that there wasn't more done legislatively in this omnibus legislation that would be passed >> what would be done? >> you could ban certain types of weapons. >> so some guns shoot like the ar-15, there are many other guns that shoot as well as -- >> you can limit the clip capacity.
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>> when gabby giffords got shot in the head, a member of congress, when he shot her, he had to stop to reload. >> we're talking about whether the value of the ar-15 is so positive and so good that it outweigh what is we're seeing across the country. erin? i want to make sure everyone gets a turned. >> obviously they should be banned. >> they were banned in 1994. do you know how many were turned in? zero. zero! >> you want to do this? he is like a lawyer's lawyer. >> be careful, you don't want to end up like this. senator finestein negotiated with the gun lobby to have a rule that did not do any legislation. now you as a gun advocate are going to -- >> i'm not a gun advocate. >> you're on tv tonight, you get to choose what you say.
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>> advocating for second amendment. >> the supreme court has never ruled that the second amendment applies to ar-15. you're here as a policy choice, which is your right. i respect you, we've worked together, i've talked to you. you're here as gun advocate of the ar-15. the question is what the value is of that versus what we've seen and everyone marched on today which is a concern this is one of the guns being used to kill children. you and then erin. >> and there are other guns used to kill people illegally. the thing is most of the gun violence in the united states occurs in very small areas of the country. you know where they mostly occur? is in places that they're banned. they're banned in chicago, in l.a. if you look at a number of counties where most of the violence occurs -- >> you understand viewers watching you right now are going to notice that you won't defend the ar-15.
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>> i'm going to defend the ar-15. i won't defend a fully automatic weapon that's been banned since 1984. >> what do you think should actually be done? how do we take away the gun violence? after the vegas shooting, chris christie said, look, this is a really tough issue and there's nothing we can do. how can you call yourself a public servant and say we can't do anything? >> i don't have a panacea to take this away. i don't want to be the skunk of the picnic, i think what the kids did is very important. that's the way a democracy works. >> i don't think you're a skunk. you have your opinion. >> they haven't showed up en masse and they haven't done that. >> what you said is so key. where was chris christie way back when? where have all the lawmakers been? after columbine -- we're hearing
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president trump and marco rubio trying to sound like gun control advocates. there is a change going on here. have you seen black, white, brown, male, female, gay, straight from all regions of this country affected by this issue, you see them marching in washington, the traditional way to bring attention to an issue. scores and hundreds of thousands of people, there is something very different about this time. >> i don't disagree with that. there are 3 to 5 million ar-15s in the world right now. there are millions of people like me who own firearms who don't feel like we're the bad guy. >> sure. >> and there are other people -- i think there are a lot of people who spoke today who would
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like to take everyone's gun away, others don't want to take everyone's gun away. when i was in high school, you could go to the parking lot, there were guns at school, they were all in the pickup truck on the gun rack and nobody shot each other. >> what are you say? >> i'm saying someone needs to ask the question why are kids shooting each other? >> some of them are kids and some of them are adults coming in and shooting. >>. >> there were guns in parking lots in my high school and nobody shot anybody. >> there was a package of gun laws passed, through gun laws and it made a discernible difference in what has happened in colorado. >> there's no place on the planet you can point to where gun laws have actually reduced the murder rate. in fact, people talk about england or australia. australia has a three times the
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homicide rate that we do because they're such a smaller country. in england when they put the gun law in, the murder rate actually went up. it did go down in 2010 but it went down because they started hiring more police officers. but, no, there's no place where gun laws -- 98% of the country has the most guns and that's not where the crime is occurring. it's occurring in the small cities that have illegal guns and they have gun control laws. >> we wanted to include a wide range of view and that's why we did. i don't mean this to sound harsh but a lot of time has been spent discussing everything but one of the big issues on the table today, which is this gun that keeps being used to kill these children -- >> because they'll go after the next guns and the next guns and the next guns. >> and it's the people in the inner city that need the protection. i think they're being discriminated against. they should be able to defend themselves with their own weapons. we have to take a break.
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in a little over six minutes, 17 of our friends were taken from us. 15 were injured and everyone -- absolutely everyone in the douglas community was forever altered. everyone who was there understands. everyone who has been touched by the cold grip of gun violence understands. for us, long tearful chaotic hours in the scorching afternoon sun were spent not knowing. six minutes and 20 seconds with an ar-15 and my friend carmen would never complain to me about piano practice. aaron would never call kyra miss sunshine. alex would never walk into school with his brother ryan. scott would never joke around with cameron at camp. helena ramsey would never hang out after school with max. gina would never wave to her friend liam at lunch. joaquin would never play basketball with sam or dillon.
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elena patty would never, chris hickson would never. luke hoyer would never. march keen would never. peter huang would never. meadow pollack would never. >> she would go on to hold that silence, that moment for about four minutes longer. and then she ended with this. since the time that i came out here it has been 6:20. the shooter has ceased shooting and will soon abandon his rifle, blend in with the students as they escape and walk flee for an hour before arrest. fight for your lives before its
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someone else's job. >> there's a lot that everyone's been taking in in this movement. in this period in american politics. what she did made immediate waves add we reflect on everything today. we're going to show you some of the reactions from people on our air. >> emma gonzalez spoke with the power and authority of a few of our preachers and presidents. only the best of them. she spoke with a maher and authority that exceeds most of the lawmakers. >> frankly it's wonderful to hear such well spoken words from these children. >> that is some of what we heard, and there was much more online.
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>> we had a homicide. we had no suspects. >> who would want her dead. >> i asked him point blank, what have you done? >> her husband did vn affair

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