tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC March 19, 2018 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT
organizers are expecting hundreds of thousands of people to show up for that and with the cherry blossom festival, that would make too many people in the same place at the same time. so that was moved to sunday. the opening ceremony of the national cherry blossom festival was changed not to accommodate the march for our lives but rather because of concern that guests would have difficulty reaching the venue on pennsylvania avenue. half a million people massing will happen saturday and cherry blossoms sunday. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell."
>> as soon as i heard about the scheduling of this march, i said to our producers, let's do a friday night show in washington the night before the march. since then, as you know, the network has planned full day of coverage and i'll be doing a saturday night show in washington covering the march. this one i think we can tell, even from this distance is going to be historic. >> it's not just a matter of it being big. it's a matter of it being really salient and emotionally resonant and otherwise politically important. >> we've never seen this kind of gathering on this subject. >> yeah and i mean -- yes, and the fact that it's the kids from parkland who have been so incredibly astute and articulate and fierce about pulling this together at a moment the country is not willing to give up hope on the subject. the kids gave hope to the debate. to see florida take action, they've already received results these kids. so to take it nationwide is going to be a big deal. >> when we last got together for
the last word 10:00 p.m., friday night, jeff sessions, fired andrew mccabe for not telling the truth. and then yesterday we discovered that three unnamed sources now say jeff sessions did not tell the truth when he told the house judiciary committee that he pushed back against trump campaign adviser george papadopoulos in a campaign meeting when george papadopoulos suggested reaching out to russia for help in the trump campaign. it would be nice when you're firing someone for not telling the truth to never have been publically caught for not telling the truth yourself. but that seems impossible for anyone working in the administration of the no, most nonstop pathological liar in the history of american politics, donald trump. we still don't know why andrew
mccabe was fired. we know the president wanted him fired, campaigned for months to have him fired. and we do know that the president did that without having any evidence that andrew mccabe should be fired. and we know the inspector general who did not share his evidence with the president, recommended that andrew mccabe be fired last week. but we have not seen the inspector general's report yet so we don't know exactly what the inspector general found. it apparently involved how andrew mccabe dealt with reporters and the possibility that he was not being completely truthful about how he provided information to a reporter. mccabe says that the inspector general misinterpreted his answers about that. in a written statement as we
reported friday night, andrew mccabe said here is the reality, i'm being singled out and treated this way because of the role i played, the actions i took and the events i witnessed in the aftermath of the firing of james comey. andrew mccabe is the witness in the special prosecutor's investigation of the obstruction of justice by the president. the firing of james comey is one of the central elements, not the proof of an obstruction of justice case against the president. this weekend we learned just like james comey before him, andrew mccabe made notes of his discussions with the president when he was the acting fbi director. when that was reported on saturday, the president tweeted spent very little time with andrew mccabe but he never took notes when he was with me. i don't believe he made memos except to help his own agenda, probably at a later date. same with lying james comey, can we call them fake memos? no, we can't call them fake memos.
they are called memos of conversations, and they are very common at the highest levels of government. memcom, that's what they've been called for decades. i first learned about them when i was working for senator patrick monahan. after a meeting he sat down and typed a memcom, he did that in the kennedy administration. he wrote a memcom after ever conversation he had with every president. all those presidents knew that's a people do, they make memos of their important conversation, usually immediately after the fact of the conversation. donald trump discovered this process when it became apparent that james comey did that. i can guarantee that people in his white house did it today and are doing it every day as soon as they leave the oval office. they are making a record of what
the president said, which they will then use in their memoirs if not before. even though we discovered through the reporting in "the washington post," that the trump personnel are the first in history required to sign nondisclosure agreements. that is a hopelessly unenforceable attempt by donald trump to carry on the use of nondisclosure agreements that he required for everyone working in his business and that he apparently required for every woman he met at golf tournaments, like stormy daniels. there is someone trumpian in the fact that donald trump is the only president in history who asked his white house staff to sign nondisclosure agreements and he has the most talkative, leaking staff in the history of the white house. andrew mccabe's memos of his conversations with the president
trump as well as james comey's memos of his conversations with the president are important exhibits in robert mueller's investigation which is focussed on possibly obstruction of justice by the president. this weekend the "new york times" reported mr. mueller is said to have sent questions to mr. trump's legal team as part of negotiations over an interview with the president. mr. mueller is seeking the interview according to two people close to the white house in order to ask follow-up questions but put forward the list as a start. the questions seem to have made the president a bit uncomfortable, if you're reading his mood from twitter. on saturday he tweeted robert mueller's name for the first time. the mueller probe should never have been started in that there was no collusion and there was no crime. it was based on fraudulent activities and a fake dossier played for by hillary clinton and the dnc and the improperly used fisa court for surveillance of my campaign. witch hunt. that's not a man who has done
nothing wrong and has nothing to worry about. today "the washington post" reported that they've provided the special prosecutor's office with written descriptions of key moments under investigation in hopes of curtailing the scope of a presidential interview, according to two people familiar with the situation. cnn.com is reporting trump's lawyers had a meeting about the case. both sides sat down in a rare face-to-face discussion about the topic the investigators could inquire of the president. it was the first inperson meeting after discussions between the two sides. a well placed source familiar with the meeting tells nbc news this meeting happens regularly. the president has hired a new lawyer and like the rest of the legal team, the new hire is nowhere near the top of the list for cases like this. joseph di genova is familiar. he's been commenting on legal
affairs on television more than he's handled them on television. here is his view of the president. >> there was a brazen plot to illegally exonerate hillary clinton, and if she didn't win the election, to then frame donald trump with a falsely created crime. everything we have seen from these texts and all the facts developing showing that the fbi and senior doj officials conspired to violate the law and to deny donald trump his civil rights. >> joining us now, barbara mcquade an nbc news contributor, david k. johnston, journalist, the author of the book "it's worse than you think" and michael isikoff, coauthor of the new book, "russian roulette" and michael, i'd like you to respond what you just heard from the
latest member, the newest member of the trump legal team that all of this is a violation of the president's civil rights. >> seems insync with the president's tweets. no surprise. the way i interpret this, everybody looked at this is he going to fire mueller, john dowd says yes and ty cobb comes up with no we intend to cooperate. you could take all of this, and reach the conclusion that the real strategy is to put down these conditions for the interview. say we the lawyers will write the answers, mueller's not going to accept that. he's a prosecutor. he's not going to accept what the defense lawyers write out.
so he will push. at that point trump says, no, my lawyers have told you what they're going to say. take it or leave it. what's mueller's option, subpoena. what's trump's option? he could cave or he more likely will say no, i'm not going to seed to the subpoena. we'll take it to court. he doesn't have to fire mueller. but what he is doing is laying the ground work to delegitimize mueller and resist a mueller subpoena. and that puts this into the realm of the courts to slug it out. does, you know, mueller have the adequate criminal predicate to prevail. ultimately it goes to the supreme court where trump figures he has the upper hand. so he doesn't have to fire mueller to adopt a strategy that basically says, forget it mueller, i'm not cooperating, let's let this playout, drags it
out for a long time. >> barbara, on the delay mueller instead of fire mueller strategy michael just laid out, which sounds convincing, how long would the delay mueller strategy work. >> it's answer interesting theory and may explain what's going on. i don't think it would work for a long period of time. ordinarily when a case works up to the supreme court, it can take a year or more to work through that process. but in a case like this the supreme court has the ability to go on an expedited docket when it's in the public interest to do so. we saw it in the travel ban, the u.s. v nixon case. so i think they can get the case together within a matter of weeks or months, not years. i think he could delay it for some period of time, but i don't think it could be be a lengthy delay. >> the "new york times" wrote a store, about eight days ago, that donald trump was
considering hiring more lawyers. he then tweeted furiously saying, the failing "new york times" purposefully wrote a false story stating i'm unhappy with my legal team on the russia case and i'm going to add another lawyer to help out. wrong i'm very happy with my lawyers, john dowd, ty cobb, jay sekulow, they are doing a great job. and that tweet, of course, turns out to be a complete lie. what do you make of the latest edition to the trump legal team? >> this is almost like a schoolyard game of do the opposite. so when donald denies something or insists it's not true, you'll see the opposite. michael's theory is interesting. let me give you another one having reviewed the documents today. it's also possible that one of the strategies they're thinking about is to let mueller continue his work, provide him with as minimal information as he can get away with. but mueller's job is to file a
report. if they get rid of rod rosenstein and get someone friendly to trump, that report could be buried and we would never see it, thank you we received the report, then they put it in the shredder. >> the idea that firing mccabe was a kind of let's test the waters, let's see how firing feels publically, the difference is that there's an inspector general's report that we have not yet seen that we are all waiting to see. i'm reserving judgment until i see that. >> as we should. >> as we should. but it seems like you'll have trouble trying to reproduce that kind of element in other firings. an actual inspector general's recommend day of the accident. >> i'm not sure the inspector general recommended the firing. the inspector general made his findings -- >> he seems to have said that he recommended it.
>> certainly the fbi office of professional responsibility recommended the firing based on the conclusions. but look, the problem is that trump tainted the whole process. >> yeah. >> by then attacking mccabe and making it seem like this was the outcome he wanted so that even if the people in the justice department thought they were doing the right thing, they basically got sabotaged by the boss who made it look political. so in some respects trump shot himself in the foot here because he under mined what could have been an advantage for him to have mccabe fired by career professionals in the justice department although it was sessions who made the final decision. but then you go back to the larger strategy, which is to delegitimize everything to do
with the mueller investigation. it wasn't so -- it wasn't such a bad move because to the extent that you can raise questions about mccabe and mccabe is a potential witness on any obstruction charge, he's accomplished his goal. so i think this all fits back with the theory i was saying before, which is delegitimize everything to do with mueller and then resist. you don't have to fire him, just resist. >> barbara mcquade when we will see the inspector general's report. >> i think i read a couple weeks but ordinarily you get the report and then make the decision about the public firing. so i agree the firing dust does appear to be spiteful and vindictive and an effort to discredit andrew mccabe a potential witness in the obstruction of justice case. to fire him, what, 26 hours before his 50th birthday so he cannot collect his pension strikes me as very extraordinary. i think we're expecting within
about two weeks it'll come out. it's not ready yet so the decision should have been waited until the report was ready. >> david you've been studying trump longer than any of us. there's a tweet this morning, a total witch hunt with massive conflict of interest exclamation points. that's it. do you think it does work to judge trump's moods on twitter? use twitter to judge how he's feeling? >> to some degree absolutely. in this particular tweet this morning, you know, donald keeps wanting to call this a witch hunt because as michael said, he wants to delegitimize the process here. we have someone who his whole life has thumbed his nose at the law, broken all sorts of different laws and paid almost no price for it throughout his
life and look where it's gotten him. so we shouldn't expect he'll check his behavior in any way because look how it's worked for him. if there's clarity, muddy the waters. that's a fundamental donald principle. if someone is attacking you, turn around and attack them. but look at the success he's had. the key people in the fbi investigation, comey and his top team, have been vanquished at this point in terms of their ability to carry out the functions they had at the fbi. they may come back to haunt him as witnesses later but he's vanquished them at the moment. >> thank you all for joining us, appreciate it. a republican senator says if the president fires the special prosecutor it will be the end of his presidency another says it will be the stupidest thing any president has done. who threatened stormy
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but today, orrin hatch said donald trump is capable of being the stupidest president ever. when senator hatch was asked about the possibility of the president firing the special prosecutor. >> because i think it would be the stupidest thing anybody could do. >> and here's senator lindsey graham yesterday. >> if he tried to do that, that would be the beginning of the end of his presidency because we're a rule of law nation. >> yesterday, trey gowdy told fox viewers something they aren't used to hearing president trump. >> give bob mueller, the time, independence and resources to do the job. keep in mind he didn't volunteer to do this. he didn't wave his hand and say hey pick me. a trump nominated rod rosenstein is who picked bob mueller. so give him the time, the resources, the independence to do his job. and when you are innocent, if
there's no collusion with the russians, and you're innocent of that, act like. >> john mccain tweeted his report for robert mueller. >> and senator flake went to new hampshire and talked about the possibility of challenging trump in the primaries for the 2020 presidential nomination. and today jeff flake said this. >> this is serious. firing the special prosecutor, you know, the leader may say he's not going to do that. they've said they're not going to do that. a couple weeks ago he said he wasn't firing tillerson. so i think we ought to say again don't do it. don't go there. that's not a line to cross. noah you have lindsey graham going to the ultimate spot there, this is the end of his presidency if he does that.
lindsey graham then at other moments expresses confidences that the president won't do this. but it seems like lindsey graham is saying that on television because he knows that's the way for the president to hear it. >> of course. that's the number one way to get to the president these days if not through the oval office door, it's going to be on fox news. these guys are trying to send a warning. the question is is he going to hear it? they warned him not to raise the debt he did it with the tax bill. so it's hard to imagine these warnings from graham and flake, who aren't part of his posse, are going to sink in that much. >> barbara, there's a report that says donald trump is not listening to anybody. he's not consulting with advisers including chief of staff james comey and chief white house lawyer, don mcgahn, on his russia legal choices or his comments about the probe, according to one person with knowledge of the information,
he's instead watching television and calling friends. and despite this nondisclosure agreement this person signed to be employed in the white house, there it is someone inside saying he gets his thinking from this by watching tv. >> i think donald trump would be a nightmare as a client if you were his lawyer because he clearly does not take legal advice. i think any lawyer or senior adviser would be telling him not to tweet about these things. talk about what you're going to do to solve the opioid crisis, the tariffs, that's what you should be focussing on. every time you tweet about these things you are providing potential statements to be used against you. it's unwise. i think in some ways he can't help himself. he gets ramped up watching television and talking to friends.
he could use stronger advisers or lawyers to tell him to keep his mouth shut about this thing. if he is, as he says, innocent, let mueller run his course and exonerate him. if he says there is no collusion, i think the public will believe it. >> let's listen to trey gowdy saying almost word for word what barbara mcquade just said. >> let it play out its course. if you have done nothing wrong, you should want the investigation to be as thorough as possible. >> if donald trump is watching that and he knows he has done something wrong, that advise does him no good. that is is t advise for someone who hasn't done anything wrong. >> right. also i'll note, flake, gowdy, these are guys on the way out the door so trump might not take them quite as seriously. >> we know from michael wolff's
reporting in "fire and furry" that steve bannon says that he believes that there's something there, something for donald trump to be afraid of, and his twitter behavior certainly reads like someone who's afraid. >> yeah you know purely speculating here but it seems in recent days the thing that has changed we've seen the report that robert mueller has subpoenaed the trump organization. it seems that has set off trump in these tweets and naming robert mueller by name. maybe that has triggered some panic that he has crossed the so-called red line looking into the finances of the trump organization and maybe it's there he thinks he's vulnerable and going on the attack. >> thanks for joining the discussion tonight. appreciate it. the trump associate who has publicly threatened people is now saying he's not the one who threatened stormy daniels.
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together, we're building a better california. here's what stormy daniels' lawyer said tonight when ari melber asked him about the allegation that stormy daniels has been physically threatened. >> i didn't allege that. i stated it as a fact. i'm going to state it again today as a fact. it is not an allegation. we have a lot of information, a lot of evidence, a lot of documents that haven't come to light yet. numerous pieces of evidence, numerous facts. >> also tonight in an interview with "vanity fair," donald trump's attorney who wrote the confidentiality agreement said he did not threaten her.
michael cohen said, in fact, i have never spoken to her, never e-mailed her, met her, texted her. when asked if anyone else connected to donald trump threatened her, he said i can only speak to myself. i reiterate i have never threatened her in any way, and i am unaware of anyone else doing it. michael cohen has a long history of threatening people for donald trump, that has been his job description for years. here is what michael cohen said to a daily beast reporter during the presidential campaign after threatening to sue the reporter. i will make sure that you and i meet one day while we're in the courthouse and i will take you for every penny you still don't have, and i will come after your daily beast and everybody else that you possibly know, cohen said. so i'm warning you, tread very fing lightly because what i do
is going to be f'ing disgusting. you understand me? you write a story that has mr.'s name in it the with the word rape i'm going to mess your life up for as long as you're on this planet. you'll have judgments against you, so much money you'll never know how to get out from underneath it. though there are many literal senses to the word if you distort it and put mr. trump's name on it, rest assured you will suffer the consequences. so you do what you want. you want to ruin your life at the age of 20, do you that, i'll be happy to serve it up to you, he added. i think you should go ahead and write the story you plan on writing. i think you should do it because you're an idiot and i think your paper is a joke and it's going to be my pleasure to serve you with a $500 million lawsuit. and, of course, that michael
cohen threat turned out to be completely empty like most trump threats to sue people, including me. donald trump and michael cohen on friday night in a legal filing threatened stormy daniels with a claim of $20 million for what she has already said about donald trump. joining us now curt anderson, author of the book "fantasyland" also the host of a public radio program. and back with us is david k. johnston. kurt, you've been studying donald trump now. this michael cohen i never threatened her thing, unfortunately from that side of the story comes from someone who has made his living threatening people for donald trump. >> i first became aware of michael cohen a couple years ago when he was threatening some under graduate members of a magazine i was on at harvard, the lampoon, who made fun of
them, and michael cohen threatened to get them expelled from harvard. in the -- speaking of his threats. here's michael cohen himself saying if somebody does somebody mr. trump doesn't like, i'm going to come at you, grab you by the neck and not let go until i'm finished. that's cohen himself. this is a guy, speaking metaphorically or literally, this is a guy who traffics in those kinds of threats. >> david, real lawyers know the kind of stuff that michael cohen has done, those kind of threats can get you disbarred and disciplined by the bar in many jurisdictions. but the other part of it is that michael cohen, as famous as he is for threats, he's famous for empty threats like the $500 million threat to the daily beast, which sounds a lot like the $20 million threat to stormy daniels.
>> cohen has done a number of things that ought to be examined by the new york state bar about unprofessional conduct. and yeah these threats are hollow. in the agreement, by the way, has this million dollar per disclosure on stormy daniels, or stephanie clifford, but it's one sided. there are no penalties if donald trump violates the agreement to keep everything secret. lawrence, i was reviewing the agreement before we went on the air again. there's a telling line that may help explain why donald trump is so determined to shut down stormy daniels. the agreement to keep quiet his sexual proclivities and any alleged children and paternity information. wonder why that's in there. >> kurt we've identified those
lines in the agreement here before. so stormy daniels's lawyer has said there are no paternity issues in this case, if that's true, you go to the question to donald trump, why do you have paternity issues in a confidentiality agreement? is that just something lifted from a previous confidentiality agreement and how many of these do you have, and how many confidentiality agreements do you have about paternity with how many women? >> and stephanie clifford's lawyer, who by the way is a far more impressive and serious lawyer than donald trump has acquired, it could be boiler plate. he says at least two of the six women that approached him have similar ndas to stormy daniels. it's interesting in this vanity pair piece where cohen said i didn't physically threaten her and he also says, i'm not going
to try this case in the court of public opinion he says to "vanity fair." >> yes. >> he's a perfect donald trump guy. get some press and keep the show going. >> and michael cohen is perfect of the way donald trump does business, on the cheep. this is not the kind of lawyer that any serious person with serious money would ever employ. and here you have an confidentiality agreement that remains unsigned by one of the parties to it because of michael cohen, it has language in it that once exposed is damaging. and so this is what donald trump gets when he uses cheap lawyers like michael cohen. >> well, you know, having a long history of not paying your bills tends to make top lawyers say thank you i'd rather have some
other client who pays their bills. it goes to the heart of how donald does business. his operation is, he first tries to compromise people. if that fails, he tries to bully them. avenati in this case has made it clear that the threats are more than litigation threats. it's interesting to see how that plays out given that he told ari melber in no uncertain terms that it's a fact he can prove, not an allegation. >> to stay on michael cohen, part of why donald trump is in trouble with stormy daniels is michael cohen and how bad he is as a lawyer. the quote to the daily beast about rape was about donald trump's first lawyer accusing him of rape as she once did. and michael cohen went on television then and said it was impossible for a husband to rape a wife, which, of course, is
contrary to law, but it's law known to everyone except donald trump's lawyer. >> and to donald trump because, of course, that is the sort of idea that the donald trumps of the world maintain. you can't rape your wife. and the thing, of course, that we're in the discussion of michael cohen and the hush money and all the rest. we're forgetting that donald trump, of course, has now put his name to this suit against stephanie clifford, even though he -- or there is denial that such sexual relationship ever existed, and he is not party to the agreement. so i think we should all -- if it's that easy to get 130 grand out of donald trump, i'm going to say i had sex with him. >> the question is how many of these nondisclosure agreements are out there and how many involve paternity. thank you both for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, the supreme court once again today crushed pennsylvania republicans'
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speaker of the house paul ryan has still not announce ds that he will run for reelection to his congressional seat and today when the united states supreme court struck down republican's latest attempt to gerrymander congressional districts in pennsylvania. paul ryan got more reason not to run for reelection. joining us now, former republican congressman from washington david jolly, what's it like in the republican cloak room these days when they're getting these results from pennsylvania and now they're seeing that they're not going to be able to gerrymander those districts? >> sheer panic. republicans know there's a perfect storm coming and today probably turned another three to four seats at least and that's not including what we're seeing in the poll numbers. the poll number is devastating for republicans.
it shows compared to the last mid term in 2014, republicans are down 13 points with nine voters and 9 with suburban voters and they are losing them. let's be honest. the republicans have done this to themselves. they own this. if you look at the record of this congress, they tried to repeal obamacare without a replacement, they passed a tax bill that benefits the wealthy and in the wake of a national tragedy like parkland, they've done nothing. if you're that lancaster secretary to paul ryan tweeted about, all you've gotten is a $1.50 a week toward your costco membership and that your boss is looking out for his stock portfolio and nothing else. >> would you say it looks like a pretty certain democratic pick up in pennsylvania? >> look, democrats are in line to pick up between three and >> look, democrats are in line to pick up between three and five additional seats in
pennsylvania over the special election gain they made in the 18th district last tuesday. the biggest gain for democrats in terms of winning the majority is not this supreme court ruling in pennsylvania. it's the fact that donald trump's at 40% popularity nationally and that's far lower than bill clinton and barack obama were when they lost their house majority in their second year in office. so i see democrats as probably between 60 and 70% favorites to take back control of the house right now. >> david jolly, the speaker of the house is refusing to announce that he will run for reelection to his own congressional seat. that is an unprecedented condition for members of the majority party in the house to be trying to run their own reelection campaigns. they don't even know that their own speaker has confidence that he himself can get reelected. >> paul ryan is having to make that decision based on a presumption he will no longer be
in the majority next year, that the bottom is falling out. tom foley in 1994 when the democratic speaker of the house lost his seat being i'm not sure paul ryan wants to come back and be in the minority. he probably would not be the minority leader having lost republican control of congress. there is nothing left in the republican agenda between now and november. the agenda. the agenda is baked. probably only bad news if it has to do with mueller or stormy daniels. >> 1994, the speaker of the house, democratic speaker, loses his reelection campaign in his congressional district and no one saw that coming, by the way, compared to what we're looking at now. there was no one predicting that was going to happen. it is right now a reasonable possibility to say that the speaker of the house could lose
reelection in his own district. >> i'm not certain i agree with that, lawrence. paul ryan is pretty strong back in his home district. this isn't the job he signed up for when he was pressured to take the job of speaker a couple of years ago. keep in mind he had no idea at the time he could be dealing with a president this mercurial. it's in spokane washington where tom foley lost reelection in 1994. and that's a republican from washington state, who is up against a pretty stiff democratic challenge. >> and, david, the speaker of the house has powers over the president. the speaker of the house can push the president around in many ways if the speaker chooses to do that. i remember during the presidential campaign watching trump insult paul ryan, and paul ryan shows no interest in using
the powers of the speaker of the house against this presidency. >> he does not. i wish my former colleagues would understand one thing tonight, and that is there's no shame in putting country over party. your legacy will be richer if you do so. if you lose a seat over it, listen, the water is just fine out here. you can sleep well at night. i promise you you can. >> thank you both for joining us. i really appreciate it. >> thanks. >> we'll be right back.
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mccabe about his firing and donald trump's criticism of the fbi. reporting on a sears of sit downs between trump and the special counsel legal teams, as an aggressive strategy plays out trump hires a new lawyer from the ranks of the news. and the president says he's more comfortable in the job. and the friday night firing that sent shock waves through washington. and a former colleague of andrew mccabe weighs in on the weekend of personal attacks from the president. "the 11th hour" on a monday night getting under way now.