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have never seen anyone else have on trump world television. we have no idea what will happen in trump world or nunberg world tomorrow. there is a lot of the sam nunberg interviews we were in the able to get to in this hour. john heilemann who knows sam nunberg will join brian williams in the next hour. "the 11th hour" starts now. sam nunberg denying and holding nothing back, and on russia saying mueller may have something on the president. then he seemed to change his story again tonight. how will the special counsel react and what does the subpoena tell us about where mueller is headed? and amid a darkening west wing, the president once again attacks obama over the russia investigation. all of it as "the 11th hour" gets under way.
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good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. as we start off a new week, this was day 410 of the trump administration and today another chapter of this administration played out as we watched live on cable television. in fact, into the night. a former trump campaign aide, as we've been saying, sam nunberg, today announced very publicly and repeatedly he plane pls to a subpoena from robert mueller. katie tur says sam nunberg said he'll probably cooperate with muler in the end. but the day played out this way. without informing his lawyer,
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nunberg talked to his lawyer, appearing on cable news networks, including this one, repeatedly and in a matter of hours, it all started this afternoon as katie tur conducted a live telephone interview. >> reporter: why are you saying no? >> because what they said to me was absolutely ridiculous. they wanted every e-mail i had with roger stone and with steve bannon. why should i hand them e-mails from november 1st, 2015? i was thinking about this today, katie, i was preparing it. should i spend 50 hours going over all my e-mails with roger and with steve bannon? and then they wanted e-mails that hi with hope hicks, with corey lewandowski. are you giving me a break? it's ridiculous. >> what sam nunberg was talking about was a request within that
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subpoena seeking all documents involving the president and a host of his closest advisers. nbc news has on it and a copy of the subpoena and it does ask for all e-mails, text messages, phone logs that pertain to ten key figures in the trump campaign and the white house. from the president and aides like hope hicks, paul manafort to long time gop operative and trump friend roger stone, who nunberg describes as a mentor. just a few hours ago, nunberg appeared again on this network and explained for the real reasons for defying the command to appear before a grand jury. >> i've talked to them, i've spent money on an attorney and i cooperated with them. and when i got something like this and then they wanted me to go to the grand jury next friday and i believe they're trying to start a case against roger, they're trying to set up a
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perjury case against roger. i'm not going to have it. roger's my mentor. roger is like family to me. and i'm not going to do it. i'm not going to testify against roger. roger did not do anything. roger was treated terribly by donald trump. >> nunberg's loyalty to roger stone wasn't the only thing he told ari pemelber. he went further about the mueller process and donald trump. >> i know mueller, i know the whole team, they probably have something on trump. trump did something pretty bad. i think they were interested with something with his business. >> with his business. did they ask you how he ran his business? >> yes. by the way, i have no idea what he did. >> nunberg went even further at a later point to suggest whatever it is the president might have done could have an
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impai impact on the president's preferred news network. by the way, you're going to be fine when it comes out what he did. but people like sean hannity, lou dobbs, they're going to be very embarrassed when it comes out. >> the white house, however, is dismissing nunberg's claims about any potential case against this president. >> i think he doesn't know that for sure because he's incorrect. as we've said many times before, there was no collusion with the trump campaign. anything further on what his actions are, he hasn't worked at the white house so i certainly can't speak to him or the lack of knowledge that he clearly has. >> and as the man says on tv but wait, there's more, as we mentioned just before air time tonight, his story appears to have changed again and we'll talk about that change with one of our guest who is is standing by to talk with us. let's bring in with that cue our
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leadoff panel on a busy wednesday night. phillfilphillip rucker, jill co white house reporter for the associated press. former u.s. attorney joyce vance and john heilemann, our msnbc analyst. what can you report about what may or may not happen on friday? >> you had sam giving interview after interview after interview where he was really just charging, threatening not to participate in any of the mueller subpoena requests, saying he wasn't going to show up on friday, threatening to arrest him if they wanted to. but in my conversation with him after he finished all his cable news shows, he was in a much more somber mood. he said i'm really frustrated,
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they asked me for all of these e-mails, i e-mailed steve bannon and roger stone every day, it's so many hours of work they put me through, i don't understand i have to do, i didn't do anything wrong but i guess in the end i'll end up cooperating with them anyway. he said ideally he'd like muler to come back with a revised subpoena. he actually singled out carter page to me saying if he only got a new subpoena that didn't have page's name on it, he'd be happy to comply with it. he also said he'd never spoken to carter page. i'm not sure why page is significant here. but overall it was a very different tone from him saying i know i'm going to do this, i have to do this but i wanted to put up a fight. >> unbelievable. to our former fed we go. joyce, i have so many questions for you. can you say no to a subpoena
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like this? can you narrow your own scope and get a bigger deal when you have been commanded to show up on friday? >> you can't say no. the grand jury has the power to issue a subpoena to you and as long as it's a proper subpoena, which this one is, you can't just flat out reject it. but you can ask your lawyer to work with prosecutors perhaps to give you a little bit more time to come p-- comply if you're being asked to go through a lot of documents. but having thrown down the gauntlet saying he wouldn't show up and it would be funny if he put him in jail, i think sam nunberg has not put himself in a good bargaining position with mueller in terms of getting any type of favorable treatment. >> from all reviews, mueller is not a petty man, but mr. nunberg
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said a lot of things about a lot of people today, including mueller and the process and kind of scoffed at the process. to your last point there, will that come around to haunt him in any substantive way? >> i think that you're right that mueller is not petty. he's by the book. but he is concerned about the institution. so one way this could boomerang on mr. nunberg is because there will be need to uphold the integrity of the institution and ensure grand juries in the process are respected, i suspect mr. nunberg will find himself very thoroughly interviewed in the grand jury with the production of any documents they deem necessary to the investigation. whether or not he'll be charged down the road, he indicated today that he had received immunity. and so that would indicate, if it's true, if he's accurately reflecting that, that he would
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not be subject to substantive action against himself personally. >> phil rucker, this was one of those cable era are you watching this days and all of our phones lit up. i assume the same happened to, friends, family saying some version of the question who is this guy? mr. rucker, who is this guy? >> that's a great question, brian. sam nunberg was sort of the keeper of trump's political operation, to the extent he had a political manager in those years in the run up to the campaign, it was sam nunberg. he worked really closely were roger stone, who he said was his mentor. and sam would arrange his schedule, his campaign appearances and so forth around the country before he launched his campaign. then when he launched his campaign in 2015, nunberg very soon thereafter had a falling out. he was forced out by corey lewandowski, the campaign manager at the time and in part because of racially charged
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facebook posts found on nunberg's facebook account. it was a pretty clean break from the trump operation and nunberg has not been in the president's good graces since then. he's had a couple conversations with trump, but there was a lawsuit at one point and the white house staff really have attacked his credibility and see him as very much a fringe figure in the trump orbit today. >> john heilemann, a friend of mine says there's been a market reduction in graffiti in public because it's all gone to twitter. something just north of 20% of americans are on it, there's no barrier to entry, there's no filter on what you can say about people. i'm going to show you something that happened with erin burnett on cnn tonight because of what people were saying all day on social media about mr. nunberg and what trump forces were kind of calling around and texting around. here's the exchange. it came to this. >> talking to you i have smelled alcohol on your breath.
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>> well, i have not had a drink. >> you haven't had a drink? >> no. >> anything else? >> no. no? >> no. besides my meds. >> okay. >> anti-depressants. is that okay? >> that was kind of an incredible exchange. for anyone who might have found today entertaining, it was equal parts troubling as well. >> it came up as soon as sam got off the air with katie, it was the beginning of this, people started raising questions about whether or not he'd been drinking and i jokingly said today i'm familiar with people who drink at 3 in the afternoon. he didn't seem drunk to me. i've talked to sam a lot over the years. as much as people wanted to say he seemed unhinged or crazy or altered, that's not very different with how he's conducted himself with hundreds of reporters over the course of
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the last four or five years. it's not to say it's praise worthy but just to say that's sam nunberg right there. i think there's no question that he having done his time, having gone in and sat with mueller and his people a week ago, to get the subpoena and then be told he's going to have to go to the grand jury, he was clearly freaked out today. this is a person again, i say neither with sympathy or criticism, he did not seem altered to me but seemed under enormous emotional duress. he folcused a lot on roger ston and his conversations. he's not kidding that roger stone was his political mentor and he's not kidding that he's got dozens and hundreds of correspondent with him all the
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way to the relevant period. these are people with whom he had a lot of conversations and as the special prosecutor starts to look more at people like roger stone, you can understand why you might want to know what is in the communication with sam nunberg. >> joy, i'm no lawyer and lord knows i'm no former fed but when you keep saying in effect you'd go to jail to protect roger stone, you sure have unleashed an idea in the cable court of public opinion that maybe roger stone, your buddy, has something to hide. >> if he was trying to protect stone, i think he had precisely the opposite effect today. his conversation with ari melber was meandering, he was all over the place. he seemed to contradict himself at times. but one focus that was clear was that he was concerned about stone and some sort of a risk of committing perjury or other sorts of charges and that his goal was to protect his friend
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and mentor from that. if the court of public opinion was voting on roger stone tonight it, probably would be a bad outcome. >> jill, you and phillip don't do analysis but please come close. what does this say about the people drawn to the orbit of donald trump? >> yeah. sam is one of the people who was there in the very early days, wro roger stone, too. when you watch sam doing his whole cable news show after show, how much it felt like roger stone and donald trump, who used to call in from one cable show to the next. talking to him tonight, sam really kind of seemed proud of himself saying look at me, like what i've done tonight, nobody has seen anything like this, have they? >> phil rucker, what can can we -- what can we surmise now that we've seen the wording on
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one of the subpoenas? >> well, sam nunberg is about as far away in key moments as he can be and yet he's a key player in this investigation i think because of how far mueller and his team are going to try to figure out whether somebody like roger stone, whether somebody like steve bannon had any improper contacts. >> john, i've also seen some folks who probably should have been nominated last night. there are trump surrogates on table tonig cable tonight saying things like i hope he is with his family and i hope this cry for help is answered, expressing crocodile concerns about his health and otherwise. >> there's not a lot of love loss between donald trump and sam nunberg at this point nor between most of the people around donald trump and sam
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nunberg at this point. it is obviously a crocodile concern as you put it. also i think it's setting up something for the future for them to try to discredit him if he becomes or his testimony in any way becomes damaging to anyone close to donald trump. i will say the most -- single most irrational thing he did today was to doubt that robert mueller would put him in jail. if you look at the way mueller has conducted this investigation, the no-knock warrants to paul manafort, set down deterrence to people behaving badly. he wants to let people know you cannot defy me. so i think he would love to put sam nunberg in jail just to send a message to everybody else. it happened before in the clinton years when not complying with the prosecutor landed susan
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mcdougal in jail for 14 months. >> phillip rucker, jill colvin, my thanks to all of you for being with us on this busy night of news. what today's round of staggering interview will mean. that and much more. we're just getting started. morn. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. tylenol can't do that. aleve. all day strong. all day long. and for pain relief and a good night's rest, try aleve pm for a better am.
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there is other news tonight
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on the russia investigation. this morning the president was on twitter, lo that many hours ago to weigh in on the mueller investigation, quote, why did the obama administration start an investigation into the trump campaign with zero proof of wrong doing, long before the election in november? wanted to discredit so crooked hillary would win, unprecedented, bigger than watergate. plus obama did nothing about russian meddling. nbc news has confirmed the "new york times" reporting that the state department has not spent the $120 million set aside to counter russian interference. an and there's a piece in the new yorker about christopher steele as this detail alleging that the kremlin was involved in more than just our elections. "the new yorker" reports steele is believed to have discussed a memo he wrote after the 2016
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election with special counsel mueller. that memo was based on one source described as a senior russian official and we quote from the journalist jane mayor, "the official said that he was merely relaying talk circulating in the russian ministry of foreign affairs but what he'd heard was astonishing. people were saying that the kremlin had interviewed to block tr trump's initial choice for secretary of state, mitt romney. if what the source heard was true, that is a foreign power was exercising influence over our government.
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>> john heilemann -- >> single source, not clear. it's raw intelligence, like all the rest of the things in the steele dossier. if you think about donald trump's candidacy and his presidency, the things he says, theci policies he's pursued ande hasn't pursued, who is secretary of state, each one of them would be the choice that vladimir putin would make, in every instance if you look at the entirety of it. if you think about that and the fact that we're still concerned about the russians meddling in the 2018 elections. there is nothing of this surprising, including the detail that john na jane mayor writes about. >> in so many of his appearances today, nunberg has casually
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tossed in the conversation, "you know, i came up with the wall." what does donald trump hate, it's a remark like that from someone he sees as an underling. >> that's right. trump fumed over steve bannon for taking credit for aspects of the campaign and the general election. trump wants credit for all of it. the more headlines about russia, the more angry and frustrated the president against. for much of last week he was raging in the residence, staying up late at night watching television, up early the next morning watching television, calling his friends and calling his kitchen cabinet of advisers in fits of rage over aspects of the russia probe. whether it's the conduct of attorney general jeff sessions or the scrutiny every day, there was a new drip of day about his son-in-law and white house senior adviser.
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so it bothers him. i can't imagine he's pleased to see this jeanne mayer piece. >> and same question, how much more will this darken the atmosphere? >> we've heard that the white house is in very dire times. people are comparing this to the lowest moments during the white house during the campaign, comparing it to the charlottesville that got so much back and forth that got so much criticism and the president is increasingly isolated. you've got hope hicks departing and tension on jared kushner and questions about john kelly. he doesn't really have anybody around him to turn to, which is why you're seeing him calling outside advisers, who wind up leaking and continue the chaos. >> three superb journalists
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helping to start us off tonight. coming up for us, how does the trump legal team now react to these allegations made all day on live television? we'll ask the man who once represented bill clinton when "the 11 hour" continues. say carl, we have a question about your brokerage fees. fees? what did you have in mind? i don't know. $4.95 per trade? uhhh and i was wondering if your brokerage offers some sort of guarantee? guarantee? where we can get our fees and commissions back if we're not happy. so can you offer me what schwab is offering? what's with all the questions? ask your broker if they're offering $4.95 online equity trades and a satisfaction guarantee. if you don't like their answer, ask again at schwab. want us to do about what woulthis president?fathers i'm tom steyer, and when those patriots wrote the constitution here in philadelphia, they had just repelled an invading foreign power. so they created the commander in chief to protect us from enemy attack.
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the justice department just indicted 13 russians for sabotaging our elections. an electronic attack on america that the chief investigator called "warfare". so what did this president do? nothing. and is he doing anything to prevent a future attack? the head of the fbi says no. this president has failed his most important responsibility- protecting our country. the first question is: why? what is in his and his family's business dealings with russia that he is so determined to hide, that he'd betray our country? and the second question is: why is he still president? join us today. we have to do something.
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welcome back. we have learned tonight that former trump campaign aide sam nunberg will likely cooperate
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with special counsel robert mueller's subpoena in the russia investigation. he's told several people different things. he told the associated press in the form of jill colvin, quote, i'm going to end up cooperating with them. he told our own katie tur he will probably cooperate with mueller in the end but doesn't want to make it easy. he wasn't so certain when ari melber talked to him at 9:51 p.m. tonight. at any rate, before nunberg's possible change of heart, he told multiple news outlets he would not be complying with mueller's subpoena and at one point he even told our own ari melber he isn't worried about going to prison. >> they're not going to send me to jail. mr. mueller, if he wants to send me to jail, he can send me to jail and i'll laugh about it and make a bigger spectacle than i am on your tv show right now. >> here to talk about it, bob
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bennett, veteran lawyer, who was president clinton's personal lawyer in the paula jones case. thank you so much for coming on with us again tonight. what does this gentleman need to understand about a federal subpoena in your view? >> well, it's not an invitation to a garden party where he can say, yes, i'll come or no, i won't come. he's commanded to come. he has no choice. >> we were harkening back today to the case of susan mcdougal and the whitewater matter. she declined the invitation and she paid for that decision with jail time. have you any reason to think that would not be the outcome in a case like this? >> no, i think it will be, particularly since the gentleman made such a spectacle of saying he would defy the subpoena. mueller cannot permit that to happen because it could have an
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impact on other witnesses. he gave mueller a terrific opportunity to show how tough and determined he is. >> he seems offended, if that's the correct word, to share this document with people like carter page and corey lewandowski, two people he is not fond of. he keeps saying he wants to narrow the scope and of course he wouldn't have any communication with those two guys, he doesn't get along with them. after everything he has said today about the special counsel, is he likely to get any sweetening of the scope of what they plan to ask him? >> well, i doubt it. i read the subpoena, and it's actually quite narrow. the period of time is relatively short, a few years, and there's only, you know, nine or ten people who are mentioned. so as subpoenas go, this is
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pretty narrow. now, i know bob mueller quite well, and i don't think he will be so outraged about what he said that he's determined to put him in jail, but he will give him an opportunity with his lawyers to come in and express any objections and if they can reasonably be worked out like narrowing the subpoena or shortening the period of time, mueller will do that. but he's not going to bend very far. he's going to press this and i -- and if he sticks to what he said earlier today, he's going to be wearing an orange jumpsuit. >> you say you do know bob mueller and you've both been around washington legal circles a long time. we know he has 16 co-counseling
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or different prongs or tranches in the investigation. we keep thinking maybe the hackers and leakers will be next. i know you get asked this on a daily basis. how far along do you believe we are in this process >> it's very difficult to answer that because it's like -- the investigation is like a glacier where you know what you see on top but you don't know what's underneath. i suspect that mueller has a lot more evidence and information than has been -- has been reported. so i think he's pretty far down the line on a lot of issues. that's not to say i think this is coming to a quick close. >> well, let me ask you to speculate on another front and that is what form this will take. do you think the special counsel will emerge and lay his findings
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at the feet of americans and congress and say here it all is, deal with it? >> well, i don't think he has the authority to do that. but i think he will put together a document which covers all those things, and then it will be, i believe, the decision of the deputy attorney general, mr. rosenstein because the attorney general recused himself, to decide who gets it. certainly i'm confident it will be sent to at least the leaders of congress and i'm quite confident that it someday will be released to the public. >> bob bennett, whose clients include a former president of the united states, counselor, thanks very much for coming on the broadcast with us tonight. >> thank you for having me, brian. >> and coming up for us, why the
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this tariff notion has angered u.s. allies, including mexico and canada but so far the president has not been swayed. >> paul ryan says he worried about a trade war. are you going to back down on the tariffs? >> no, we're not going to back down. we've had a very bad deal with mexico and a bad deal with canada. it's called nafta. for many years, nafta's been a disaster. if we don't make a deal, i'll terminate nafta. >> you're not worried about trade war? >> i don't think so. >> no trade war? i don't think so, no. >> a few days ago the president said "trade wars are good and easy to win." we welcome a veteran washington journalist, columnist and
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associated editor at "real clear politics." it's a put down of a phrase to say someone finds their voice. but i heard it said today since when did the speaker find his voice on this topic, vis-a-vis this president? he has taken so much. >> well, that's true but not only does this differ from when he has these meetings and goes wild about meeting the democrats in the middle on immigration or cutting three-month spending deal with chuck and nancy or talking about coming to the middle on guns, those are legislative deals that congress knows he'll change his mind about in a few minutes. this is executive power. they're very weird that he'll wield it. that are very worried he's a
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true protectionist. this goes against what their donors are very concerned about this policy and very concerned about their mid term prospects. the business community is horrified. i mean, they have been working this, brian, for months and months, since he got into office. this has always been a goal of his and they have been trying to stop it and have successfully until now. >> i heard someone report tonight that gary cohn has put together a bunch of visiting executives from the industries on thursday to have dialogue? >> when peter knnavarro says there's no downstream effect, the advisers are trying as they've told him privately for all these months to explain the downstream effects who will
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experience it. he's going to bring in people who say it's a major threat and it will impose a new tax. they're hoping that this high level of drama with an impending announcement will get to the president. >> how did the trump agenda advance today, an intentionally snide question i ask. >> he's not looking for an out, he loves this, he's defiant. the speaker and influential people in the parties have raised enough volume on this -- i'm not going to be surprised if we see exemptions for either the canadians or mexicans. he's enjoys defines, he's leaving room for slippage but we can't say today where this situation will go. >> if you're ryan or mcconnell,
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what are you thinking by these days? >> the threat from the donor community was there will be no more checks, you will get nothing. they are on the hot seat -- they were on the hot seat on immigration, not anymore. the courts have given them an agenda. there is no agenda for 2018. we know we're not going to see a big fight in election year. they're trying to avoid something on guns. they really are -- they're just trying to get month to month through without more damage and they're very worried. all they have to talk about is the tax bill. this idea of tariffs producing a new tax and send beiing the community south for their
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>> it's fake news, fake news. >> this is going to be great for people. >> fake news, folks. >> one of the fake news networks, cnn, was saying i want teachers to have guns. i don't want teachers to have guns. >> the real news has painted a dark picture of late. as reported in the "washington post" over this past weekend, quote, these are the darkest days in at least half a year, aides say. they worry just how much farther president trump and his administration may plunge into unrest and malaise before they start to recover.
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before today the white house pushed back claiming everything is fine. >> can you speak to the morale after scaramucci said friday morale has never been lower? >> i do not agree. we're in a great place. it's been an historic first year. we're continuing to focus on the things that president trump campaigned on. we're excited about what we've done and where we're going and we're going to continue working hard for the american people. >> with that we welcome back to our broadcast jim warren, a veteran journalist and author, former editor and d.c. bureau chief who is new executive editor of news guard technologies, a news startup that aims to identify news from fake news. what's more precedent, a
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president who names fake news and in fact fake news generated by bots. >> they're both pernicious. i got in from chicago this morning, and i always feel nostalgic, grew up on the upper west side in a day where reading a paper was part of your duty. fast forward, internet comes and everybody, whether it's somebody in your hometown in jersey or someone in a basement in romania is now a publisher. anybody can be a publisher and say what they want. now you have a president who coined a phrase, tapped into a political blood stream. it has worked very effectively, clearly for his base. remember that, everything you're
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talking about, talked with a.b. stoddard about trade, this is all about playing to the base and make no mistake, there has absolutely worked. two years ago the pew group asked americans about whether they saw the media as having an oversight function, a watch dog function. democrats and republicans were about the same, mid 70s, yes, they agreed. two years later the democratic number has gone up a little bit, the republican number is in the 40s. that's how it's plummeted. with this democratization, you have -- trump, as his white house guest, benjamin netanyahu is doing fairly effectively in israel, using the same bash the media card because it's working -- i don't know in israel did you in this country
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it is socially desfrutructivede. >> so you're going to for lack of a better wore curate web sites in realtime and give them stamp of approval or not. how do you do that for more than a blue audience? in i a divided country, how do u tell people this has been verified, you can believe this? >> you do what you can. there's something like a million new links every day, say you had 1% of that hundred million are baloney. there are not enough reporters in the world to feret all those out. we'll triying to be fair-minded no loaded adjectives but
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something that produces actual news or something is slightly suspicious or outright bogus and hope that maybe the way "consumer reports" over the years a trusted source. so you went there before you bought the new refrigerator and said, yeah, i kind of believe those guys. and hopefully we can convince flo platform like google and facebook, who have an interest and it automatically puts their advertisements on sites that are simply bogus. >> just like underwriters laboratories, good housekeeping seal, will we come to know your seal on what we consumers see in the media? >> well, i hope a year from now i can say that. i hope that people like facebook and google will agree to do that because ultimately as i found out this morning in the dark
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driving to o'hare airport from chicago and i saw this white sedan with a couple of mexican immigrants passing -- bringing the papers to our block, there are fewer and fewer people reading those newspapers, reading real, smart, curated news and civil engagement is imperilled. i hope we can do a little something starting today. >> great to see you, my friend. we'll have you back of course. >> coming up, the collision that is playing out in realtime between the business of the presidency and a president with a business. that and more right after this. withwhat sore back?sk... what bum knee? advil is relief that's fast strength that lasts you'll ask... what pain? with advil you wouldn't accept from any one else.
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bat day f bad day for the trump name in panama. the family name has been chiselled off of a building. they the name has cost them business. the owner said he won a judgment and has ordered the name taken off. and according to an investigative report, golf markers were made with the government seal. the seal is not supposed to be used for private business and no in this case trump international. ethics watch dogs make it their business to watch out for exactly this kind of thing where the seal is concerned. and we end tonight with our first president. in 1791 george washington
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received a gift from the governor of new york. it was a whiskey barrel cut in half and filled with dirt. in it was a seedling, a small canadian hemlock tree. it's believed washington planted it on the grounds of mount vernon and was later buried there beneath it. it became one of the most chronicled and cared for trees in all the land. it stood there for 227 years but then along came that violent nor'easter, the storm late last week and the tree is no more. the last direct and living link to our first president is gone 227 years after he placed it in the ground. that is our broadcast on this monday night. thank you so very much for being here with us. good night from nbc news headquarters in new york. happy


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