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hello, everybody. i'm david gura msnbc headquarters in new york. tweet storm. saying robert mueller's latest indictments do not prove that any american knowingly helped russia. former vice president biden tweeting back saying it doesn't
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matter who the russians tried to help. what matters is that they stop. plus -- >> the evidence is incontrovertable and available in the public domain. >> h.r. mcmaster there. will this administration make an effort to stop tampering in future elections? plus new details from the department of children and family services on their investigation of the accused florida school shooter. but let's start with that indictment. all 37 pages of it. first criminal charges actually accusing russians of interfering with the 2016 election. vice president mike pence weighing in on that a short time ago, telling fox news, quote, there's no question that russia sought to interfere. perhaps with other countries in our electoral process. and it's absolutely essential that we take action against individuals who attempted to interfere with our democracy. we'll continue to work as an administration to make sure not only our electoral system but all of our institutions are better protected against foreign
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meddling from russia. jeff bennett is traveling with the president, is in florida and joins us now. jeff, let me ask you what we've heard from the white house today, what we've heard from the president about 20 hours after that inindictment was handed out by robert mueller and his team. >> reporter: good afternoon, david. first i'll read to you two tweets that the president sent in just the last hour or so. it gives the clearest indication of his thinking. here is what the president writes. charges deal don a big win, written by michael goodwin of the new york post succinctly states that the rugs had no impact on the election results. she, meaning hillary clinton, lost the old-fashioned way, being a terrible candidate. case closed. he then followed it up with this. deputy a.g. rod rosenstein stated at the news conference there is no allegation in the indictment that any american was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. there is no allegation in the indictment that the charge d
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conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election. and to be clear, rod rosenstein did say that there is no allegation in this indictment. but he also pointed out, david, that the work of the special counsel continues and that this indictment is not the last word. however, this is the message that the president and this white house are selling. it's only a portion of the story, though. as you know, rod rosenstein also said that this well-funded, well coordinated, sophisticated effort mounted by the russians to undermine the u.s. democracy was aimed at propping up the campaign of donald trump, also bernie sanders and jill stein, but harming hillary clinton. what next? what will president trump do to retaliate fragainsts the russia? staff will only say all options are on the table. the most immediate available option to the president is levying the sanctions congress has passed last year. he has chosen so far not to do that.
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we'll see if this makes a difference. >> traveling with president trump to florida this weekend, thank you. joining me is alex wayne, white house editor for bloomberg news. alex, let me start with you. pick up on what i was talking to jeff bennett about a moment ago. i want to play a minute from one of the white house deputy press secretaries. the takeaway from this indictment handed up yesterday. let's listen to what he had to say. >> the president said it multiple times, this makes it clear and concise for the american people and proves the president correct. no collusion between donald trump, his campaign and russia. and also i think this is important, too. it did not affect the outcome of the election whatsoever. what the russians are trying to do is outline by deputy attorney general rosenstein is create chaos in the american election system. >> let's fact check or pick apart there a little bit about what hogan giddly had to say
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about this did not affect the election. that's still yet to be determined, isn't it? >> rod rosenstein yesterday did say that the meddling by these russians did not impact the outcome of the election but i don't really know how he knows that. that's not really described in this indictment. they don't talk about that much at all. this indictment does not prove that the president's case that there was no collusion between him personally or his campaign and russia. in fact, we broke the news yesterday that special counsel mueller is still investigating whether there was collusion between the trump campaign and russia. so, this is not the final word on this. >> i think hogan giddly was right about something, this makes it clear and concise to the american people. as you read this, you didn't really have a sense of the scale of this information apparatus before this indictment was handed up yesterday. what stood out to you just about that, about this organization that had 80-plus people, a monthly budget of $1.5 million?
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what did you learn from this indictment yesterday about the size of that effort? >> i mean, i think we learned that there was a real concerted effort, starting back in 2014, to actually influence american politics. i do think that the one thing we need to take apart what he said in the indictment there are no allegations that it affected the election. right? he specifically -- his words were really specific yesterday. he specifically said that this indictment doesn't point to that. what he didn't say was that they're not still investigating him. he didn't say that there was no collusion. he didn't say that there was collusion. one, we have to be very clear that rod rosenstein was talking about this indictment. but i do think it makes sense that the white house is going with the no collusion argument. of course, that's what they want to do. of course that's what president trump wants to say. that's hogan giddly and raj shah's job, is to support the president. >> i want to ask you about the
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sanctions that jeff bennett mentioned a moment ago. there is a growing chorus, it sounds like, for folks to be named, for those sanctions to be implemented. how does this change the conversation on capitol hill, do you think? >> congress voted overwhelmingly to approve those sanctions last summer and the president decided not to enact them immediately. i think the support is still there on capitol hill. it's probably even stronger after this indictment. it's also worth mentioning this indictment is really strength and support on capitol hill for bob mueller's investigation and for the -- for bob mueller continuing his job. any idea that the president might, at some point, fire the special counsel, that is even further off the table than it was before friday. >> and shawna, last question to you in light of that, where do you think things stand here? rod rosenstein saying this investigation is still very much under way. >> i think it stands where it stood when bob mueller was
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appointed to be special counsel. he was an amazing team of lawyers behind him who all specialize in things like bank fraud and other things. this is ongoing. no one actually knew it was coming until it dropped into our e-mail inboxes yesterday. bob mueller is play veg close to the vest, the investigation continues. it will continue on. i think it is a mistake to think that this is close to being finished. >> shawna thomas, thank you. alex wayne of bloomberg news, thank you for your time. outrage and heartbreak in the aftermath of another deadly shooting at a u.s. school. i'll speak to the mayor of parkland next. ♪ ♪ (vo) you can pass down a subaru forester. but you get to keep the memories. love.
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new information on the alleged parkland, florida, school shooter, nikolas cruz. in 2016, the florida department of children and families had investigated cruz and found him, quote, stable enough to not be hospitalized. nbc's tammy leitner is live in florida with the latest. what more do we know about the suspect here in this attack? >> reporter: hi, david. according to the miami herald's reporting there was an incident in 2016 where nikolas cruz and his girlfriend got into a fight and broke up. he was extremely upset and got into a physical fight with another boy, carved a nazi symbol into his bag. all of this came to the attention of state officials because somebody called the
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abuse hotline, indicated he was on snap chat can cutting his arms, that he was threatening to buy a gun. and there was some question at the time whether he was actually the victim of medical neglect. ultimately the state's report said that he was stable and he did not need to be hospitalized. david? >> tammy, thank you very much. tammy leitner in parkland, florida, with us this afternoon. joining us now, the mayor of parkland, florida, of that town of 31,000 where this attack took place. thank you for taking the time to be with us this afternoon. i want to start by asking you as a mother what these last few days have been like. i know you have two sons, that you're on the ptsa there at douglas high school and i'm sure those conversations centered on comforting your children and figuring out how to move on from all of this. how much of those can conversations that you've had as a family centered on policy at this point, christine? >> my focus, even as a mother right now, has been on helping the families and making sure
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that the resources are getting to the people who need them right now. we have many families suffering, many students who have seen things that no one should have to see. they all need our help right now. that has been my focus. >> give us a sense here of what these last few days have been like you as you've undertaken doing all that, making sure that everything that needs to happen is happening. what have these last few days been like? >> it's been sad. frustrating. but also it's been amazing in the sense that we have so much community support. there are so many agencies working together. our schools down here in florida are county-run schools and the broward county, the broward county school system under the leadership of robert runcie has been absolutely amazing at providing resources and working to make sure all the needs are met. and we worked alongside with them, along with all our first
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responders, police, and it's just been incredible. including the community outpouring of support. >> i hope you'll forgive a basic question here. i hope it's not a dumb one. how do you figure all of this out? no one in your position could plan for or even imagine. how have you just figured out what to do here since this shooting took place? >> so i think -- so, obviously, the police and the first responders, they have had plans in place and many of us who are out here are also just figuring it out as we go along, seeing where the needs are. we've reached out to other people who have already been through this. i also know the superintendent of schools has done the same. and just basically work iing to meet the needs of the residents. and that takes a whole village and it takes a whole team and many countless number of people that i could be mentioning who are making this happen here. >> i know you're very busy so i'm going to let you go. you're a local policymaker. there's a big debate happening
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here at the federal level, to an extent at the state level, as well. what would you want policymakers operating at that level to know what you've experienced at the local level? >> i think policymakers need to remember that we're dealing with real people here. these are real lis. there's no room right now to be picking sides on one thing or another. people are all saying we want things to run smoothly. we're all looking for a solution. only way to get to a solution is if we sit together and work toward it and make it a priority. >> thank you very much. mayor christine 00schofsky from parkland, florida. students held a firearm safety legislation protest in the wake of that shooting. here is some of what they had to say. >> thank you for your prayers and acknowledgement but that is not enough. we are doing the same thing again and again and the same thing continues to happen. and we say stop it. stop it today. >> every single person up here today, all these people should be at home, grieving.
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but instead we are up here, standing together because if all our government and president can do is send thoughts and prayers, then it's time for victims to be the change that we need to see. >> some of the voices from that protest earlier today. randy weingarten, federation of teachers joining me as well. i wonder if this one feels at all different to you. there's a rhythm to this. an unfortunate rhythm to it. your group will issue a statement. you'll go to the site of these attacks. you'll be with those teachers who are grieving and having to deal with tragedies like this one. does this one feel different to you when you look at the response to it? >> oh, my god, i think you just did the story of my life in the last couple of years. so i was just at that rally that was on film. this one feels different because the kids are outraged and the kids understand what is happening right now and they
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have gone from trauma to outrage in like 2 1/2 nano seconds. and i think that they will help have the moral and -- moral anger to actually expose the hypocrisy right now and to get from thoughts and prayers, which are really, really, really important -- let's not negate that -- and making sure that people feel safe to the kind of policy changes that we need. it is not surprising that australia, canada, japan -- none of these countries actually have this kind of mass shooting in schools. it's because they changed policy. they got things like ar-15s, which created such mass kcarnag in five minutes, killing 17
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people, out of the hands of private citizens. so thoughts and prayers are really important. we need to hug people. we need to connect to them in terms of their trauma. but we need children to be valued over guns and there are ways to do that. >> let me ask you about some of those in a moment. i was looking at the statement from your group earlier today. as we sadly learn the devastation and trauma of school shootings requires years of healing and support. as you've been through this, what have you taken away from what teachers have been through this have to say to you? what would you like folks watching this to know about what teachers have gone through? >> a couple of things. we actually have the head of our newtown local, sandy hook local with us today. he has been, you know, having peer-to-peer conversations with the head of our broward local because it will take years. but, number one, teachers, they are amazing people. our first responders are amazing, but teachers are amazing people. their instincts are to protect,
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to shield kids, to hide them in closets, to shelter them. and i hope this lifts up who teachers are and who their heart is. number two, safety is really important. and, yes, we have to do all of the trainings and we have to do the active shooter trainings and code yellows and code reds and code greens. we have to do all of that. but we have to do the work to ensure that kids like this, mr. cruz, get the mental health help they need. that means not cutting mental health services, not cutting school safety services, but having them so that teachers have the ability to have those supportive environments for kids. so, teachers want to teach. they do not want armed fortresses. they want this problem solved. let's lift them up for a moment. there are grieving children all over the country. my 1.7 million members we are
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all broward today. we are all parkland today. >> randi, thank you so much for the time, randi weingarten. >> thank you very much. >> we want to remember some of those lost in wednesday's school shooting in parkland as we go to break. come on dad! higher! higher!
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found out that thousands of paid ads on social media, the thousands of attempts to meddle. and, quite frankly, ladies and gentlemen, it's irrelevant to me who they were trying to influence, vote for or against. they have no damn right. it's our sovereign right to be able to conduct our elections unfeddered, period. >> that's former vice president joe biden reacting to the latest in the russia investigation. 13 russians have been indicted by robert mueller for interfering in american politics. despite that, the president continues to tweet no collusion and insists that the indictments do not prove that any american was a knowing participant. the russian defendants and co-conspiratorers sent money to build a cage large enough to hold an actress, depicting clinton in a prison uniform. and this quote from the e-mail one of the russians sent to a family member, we had a slight crisis here at work. the fbi but haved our activity,
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not a joke. i t preoccupied with covering tracks all together with the colleagues. joining me now, special prosecutor and msnbc contributor danny cevallos. let's start with you, jill. how wide ranging this thing was, how many people worked on it, how much money was spent on it, by the russians, according to the indictment. conspiracy, identity theft. what do you make of what's in the document itself? >> it's a very thorough document. it tells a great story that anyone who wants to read it will understand and see the breadth of the russian activities in america. they were really out to disrupt our election. it started early and they were just trying to dismantle democracy and then when trump got nominated, they decided to support trump and to hurt hillary. and it's clear that that's how their ads were playing, how their social media use came and
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they took very detailed steps to create personas that seemed to be american and to fool people into following them. they got rallies together. people came to these rallies, thinking it was a normal rally and it was the russians trying to influence the outcome of our election. >> i want to underscore something you said there, people will understand this. you look at this investigation thus far, particularly the part focused on obstruction. it can be hard to keep track of. something did change yesterday with the indictment, that being the narrative became clearer. >> i think so. the obstruction, to me, is extremely clear. i think it should be very obvious what steps donald trump himself took, what his son did, what jared kushner did. those are all things that are very clear as obstruction. what people were pusled about is what was the underlying crime? why was he doing this? what does russia have on him? we still don't know what russia has on him. the fact that he has not implemented sanctions immediately when they passed and
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right now when even he has been forced to admit that the russians did interfere in our election, why don't we have sanctions? i ask mr. president, please implement these sanctions. >> we talked a bit about what's in this document, dan. you've been thinking about what's not in it. what stands out to you about what might be coming and what was left unanswered yesterday? and what's the significance of that? >> jill is right. the indictment gives us a lot of detail, much more than is required in a federal indictment. so there's also questions that are opened by what's not said in the indictment. for example, it charges activity by russian nationals, russian companies. it does not mention the russian government. second, for example, conspiracy to defraud the united states, that's one of the counts in the indictment. that particular crime does not require the government to allege an underlying crime. that underlying crime discussing
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russia involvement is a violation of federal election laws, reporting acts. those are the kind of things we would have expected because that's the underlying theme of this indictment. why not charge that conduct? what are the things that this indictment doesn't tell us? believe me, we do not know the mueller team's entire end game and certainly did not get the full picture when the deputy a.g. gave that press conference the other day. they're not showing their hand completely. there are more things, surely, to come. there have to be. because any investigation, in my opinion, doesn't begin to end until trump gives an interview or grand jury testimony. as jill says, much detail, more than is needed. but it also raises as many questions as it answers.
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>> i wt you to respond to that. i'm also justurious as we learn about these 13 individuals, the couple, the two women who came out to scout out the electoral landscape, what's going to happen to them? what's the point of laying them out in this indictment like this? >> that's for the american public to understand how at risk our elections are and possibly rise up and say to congress, take action. protect us, pass new laws. they're based on paper ballots. that's not what we have now. we have to take different steps to protect ourselves. yes, the russian government isn't mentioned but 1.2 million a month was being spent. where do you think that money came from? and the connections between the links here seem to me to be putin. and so it is a russian government operation, even though it's not named here. but i wouldn't say they're omited. i would say this is a narrow indictment in the sense that it only deals with social media. we know there was hacking of the
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dnc and of john podesta's e-mails, wikileaks pushing it out. we know the president said to russia, oh, go get her e-mails and wikileaks, please release them. wikileaks did. we know that don junior said i love this dirt that i'm going to get. and especially if it's later in the summer. so, they were helping to plan how it was used. the fact that it's not in this indictment doesn't say it won't be in the next one and no one should jump to conclusions. there's no evidence there's no collusion. in fact, i would say this is tightening the noose around the white house, circling the wagons and getting closer and closer and closer. >> she's exactly right. consider this. if this entire ordeal ended with only for indictments of people who obstructed justice, concealed whatever they did, that obstruction, false statements, section 1001 don't require any underlying illegal conduct. can you lie about perfectly
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lawful conduct and be charged. imagine if this ended with the only thing happening criminally was people being indicted for covering up something that wasn't criminal. now there's a very strong inference that at the core of this there was a crime, there were many crimes and there may be additional core crimes in the future. from there, as jill says, you just need to connect them. draw a nexus between that conduct and the obstruction and then the house shall fall. >> can i add two things? >> very quickly. >> one you do not need an underlying crime. richard nixon, we don't have any evidence, knew about the break-in. we know that he obstructed justice. we know he paid hush money. when you mentioned hush money, there seems to be hush money here. it happens to be a porn star and a model. but it's the same thing. and those are probably campaign violations, so there is an underlying crime of campaign violations. but you don't need those. it's enough to obstruct justice. >> you don't even need a crime. for impeachment at least you don't even need a crime.
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>> jill, i want to ask you about how all of this came about. there was speculation we might hear about rick gates, that he might plead to something yesterday. we had minutes notice before it happened. >> seconds. >> seconds notice in your case. what does that say to you about this investigation, whihow difficult it is to predict which way it's going. >> robert mueller is acting in the most admirable way. the american indicted in this seem to be forgetting forgotten. >> out in california. >> a california man who was probably a criminal. what he was doing was selling false i.d.s. >> bank accounts, yeah. >> i think he made his living as a criminal but happened to get involved in selling it to the russians. he is now involved in this and is cooperating. i would say there's someone else bigger involved in this who is cooperating. you didn't get these details on may 29th something happened without someone from the inside
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of this russian operation cooperating with mueller. >> thanks to both of you. >> thank you. >> jill weinbanks joining me here in new york. president trump weighing in on twitter as we learn more about those indictments involving russian interference. do stay with us. okay folks! let's team up to get the lady of the house back on her feet. and help her feel more strength and energy in just two weeks yaaay! the complete balanced nutrition of (great tasting) ensure with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. ensure. always be you.
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twitter offensive one day after 13 russian nationals were indicted for interfering in the 2016 u.s. presidential election. he now twe-- eric holder, 13 russians indicted the scheme to undermine our democracy laid barry. what is this president/this administration doing to retaliate? there are sanctions pass bid congress, to or to prevent further harm from occurring by protecting upcoming elections? nothing. not a thing. why not? russian-linked accounts during the 2016 election but interfering in our elections is just the tip of the iceberg. after this week's deadly school shooting in florida, russia-linked twitter accounts leaped into action yet again, with decisive tweets, #parkland,
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#guncontrolnow. senior writer at wired, erin, let me start with you. we've been talking about bots and trolls in the context of the political landscape. let's talk about parkland a little bit. what have we seen exactly? how do these things work? what are they trying to do in usurping or using hash tags in the way i described? >> it helps to make a distinction between a bot and a troll. >> sure. >> the goal is to jump on any news event people are paying attention to and curry some favor with the people who might be receptive to a certain message and over time once they've become influential, they will slip in some kremlin ideas. but to start, the reason that some of these bots and trols are jumping on parkland is because obviously there was a wave of attention. it starts with a human basically. >> i think there's a sense that this is autonomous or abstract.
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but there are people behind this. >> as we've seen with the indictments there are a lot of people behind this. using the hash tag, jumping into the conversation and using bots to amplify that message. the scary thing is after the bots and trolls start building a message, it creates a feedback loop and real humans get in there and amplify the same message. it becomes very difficult for twitter to distinguish what's a bot, what's a human, who is being a troll and who is not? >> let me ask you what companies are doing about this. i described the size of that database, quoted from facebook there. how seriously are social media companies taking this and what can they do to verify what's happening here in parkland or elsewhere? >> it's a very difficult question. for the longest time facebook and twitter have sort of ignored or downplayed the size of the problem. facebook has long pointed to how small a percentage overall messages might have been coming from russian trol or influence
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campaigns. i think they're starting to realize now it doesn't matter if it's a small percentage of the overall social media usage, they need to be paying close attention to this. they can look at ads, for one. facebook has clamped down on ads they can trace back to russian campaigns, based on the can currency they're buying n ads are a small part of it as we've seen with indictments and my story. this is a huge campaign. it involves humans that don't even know they're interacting with the russian influence campaign and it involves bots being able to spread this information very quickly. >> mike, erin describe there had what's happening in silicon valley. how about on capitol hill? what are law marks saying about this phenomenon on capitol hill? what action are they trying to or could they take? >> as you know, i spent a lot of time with committees doing their own investigation of russian interference in the 2016 election and a lot of attention has been paid to memos and texts and e-mails, some of the things that have been drummed up recently there. very much under the radar has been a real focus both on the
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senate and the house intelligence committee to the role that social media did play as part of this. it's very much laid out in that indictment yesterday. we've also been speaking with social media companies. what they say is that belatedly, maybe, they are recognizing the role that their own platforms played in this and they are trying to address the problem and increasingly are saying they want the government to guide us in that effort. they're taking steps to do so. we've seen legislation put forward, amy klobuchar has done that, to create transparency to the political spending on facebook and they're implementing those policies unilaterally even before there's the need for legislation. we've seen facebook and twitter agree to participate and work with an fbi task force on this issue as well. >> erin, what's the objective here? you mentioned there's a point at which maybe you can slip in kremlin-backed ideology or what the russian regime wants but sow
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discord is a phrase we saw time and time again in that indictment yesterday. >> yes. >> to cause chaos or cause confusion. is that fundamental when you have things like the school shooting that these bots and trolls monopolize. >> what the russians care about is an issue that is divisive, will latch on to and feel strongly about. there's a lot of emotion wrapped in really tragic news incidents like this like a school shooting. we saw this happen right after the texas shooting, after the las vegas shooting. it was a very similar reaction. it happened very briefly, in the first 24 to 48 hours. then they sort of moved on. the idea is to build up credibility, get a following and then slip in messages that are more directly related to the kremlin's agenda. that ranges from prosyria to we should break up the eu to the mueller indictment. there has been a lot of messages trying to discredit mueller, especially ramped up in the last couple of months as the headlines have been rolling out
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from that. >> mike, last question to you, how wide is that gap? large geographic gap between washington and silicon valley. we've seen executives from these tech firms coming to washington more. there was optimism years back that there would be more of an opportunity for tech companies and lawmakers to work together. is that happening? is the gap getting anyw inting n it was? >> if anything they're realizing that this is showing potential for greater regulation, greater government role here in terms of the cyber arena. obviously, these platforms are very wary of that. they're trying to be very proactive as they can to fend that off. it's a gap, they would say, that a lot of members of congress don't necessarily understand the issues as well as they should and they're doing the their best. by the way, we're seeing former campaign officials, former politicos going to work for these companies, especially here in washington. >> mike, thank you very much.
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welcome back to msnbc. we are continuing to cover the aftermath of the school shooting at marjory stoneman douglas in parkland, florida. if you don't know much about firearms you are probably familiar with the ar-15 and similar weapons. customizable and adaptable semi automatic weapon, often referred to as american gun, civilian cousin of military-grade automatic rifles here. one second here. usa today -- excuse me, usa today here citing an nra estimate that we own 8 million of them, being used in shootings like the one this week. in the last 11 years, 12 mass shootings. too long a list of when this was used, dark knight shooting in aurora, colorado, orlando
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nightclub shooting, last year's shooting in las vegas, deadliest mass shooting in american history. florida governor rick scott is calling on fbi director christopher wray to step down from his position after the fbi. in a statement director wray offered his regrets to the victims and families and saying he's committed to getting to the bottom of what happened in this critical matter. how could this information fall through the cracks and is there need for change at the country's top law enforcement agency? joining me now, msnbc contributor and former fbi agent clint van zandt. clint, let me start with you. how did this statement reverberate with you and your former colleagues that there was this call back to the tip line in january. it was a process that should have been followed that would have brought that to the miami
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field office attention of the fbi, in fact director said yesterday that did not happen. >> yeah, i think it made every current and former law enforcement agent sick to our stomach. the fbi has a call center now where every tip line call goes into a center in west virginia. in there there's a couple hundred people who handle they get about 1,500 calls a day, about three-quarters of a million calls every year. but if it's you and i sit tlg at the desk, we take a call, we listen to what the caller says and you turn around to your boss and you say, hey, this is really a hot call. we need to do something with it now. it looks like whoever took that call for unknown reasons dropped that ball and that information never got passed forward. and people are dead because of that. >> i'll turn to you and ask you what you took away from that announcement yesterday from the fbi, the message from law enforcement officials for so long has been if you see something, say something. there are going to be plenty of
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people in this country wondering whether or not tips like the one reportedly called in are being taken into account. >> well, as just mentioned the ball was dropped and needless to say i'm one of those people again that was sort of sick to my stomach. the american public has responded extremely well in see something say something. we know we have averted attacks because people have called and we want to make sure they still do that. to mr. van sant's point you have over 360,000 calls a year that come in and roughly about two dozen people handle those calls and have to assess and prioritize them. it seems this would have certainly reached the level of prioritization in what they received and details they got from the call. >> clint, just listening to those numbers it seems overwhelming. just a few more than 100 people at the call center fielding these tips from americans. there's a lot to go through here. how do we prevent tips like the one that didn't get to the miami field office from falling through the cracks? >> well, they're going to have to look at this all over again. i mean, it's a terrible thing to say.
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this is like calls coming into, you know, some television line we are buying purses or makeup or something like that. there's a lot of people answering it. the difference is these calls can be life and death. and we just saw death. so the fbi's going to have to revisit this. when i was an fbi agent, we didn't have a call center. each fbi agent and office took a turn every day. you were the duty agent. you handled these calls when it came in. but that put an fbi agent on every call who was making the decision. the fbi likes to believe these are trained people, but, you know, they may have 30, 35,000 people, but at least one person for unknown reasons dropped the ball. that's always going to be our weak link is the human being who has to handle something like this. >> i'm going to put this question to each of you. errol, i'll start with you, over some years we've seen questioning of the fbi's efficacy, reputation taken a bit
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of a hit as a result of that. one trusted with doing its job, how worried are you about how we regard the federal bureau of investigation? >> yeah, well -- >> let me start with errol, we'll get to you in a minute, clint. >> i never thought i would be in the situation where fbi would be deemed a deep state or some enemy of the republic, so that is certainly troubling. however, it will not lessen or decrease the focus and dedication these men and women have in regards with what they do. i think we're going to be fine there. but i remember being a duty agent from friday night until monday morning and hoping you didn't have to call headquarters with a tip that you got. but this tip was very specific. it talked about the shooter's gun ownership. it talked about his desire to kill people. he also had some erratic behavior. more importantly really identified a number of posts he had on social media that were racist, homophobic and anti-semitic and that rises the
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priority of how clear this threat was. >> clint, how worried are you about the integrity of the fbi? or how well regarded the fbi is in light of what we've seen here over the last few months and then the last couple days? >> well, with the exception of, you know, some highly notable incidents over the years, the fbi is always been looked at as our nation's best law enforcement agency. the integrity, i mean, that's what fbi stands for, fidelity, bravery and integrity. when that integrity is challenged, i mean, i think that just kind of shakes the core of our nation because if you can't count on the fbi to 99.5% of the time do their very best not to make a mistake, or as we've been told within the last year intentionally take one side or the other of a political issue, i mean, that bothers me. that bothers every fbi agent. and it ought to bother every person in this country. we got to get it right.
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if we can't trust the fbi to do that, i don't know where we turn to. >> all right. going to leave it there. my thanks to both of you. clint, erroll, appreciate the time both of you. >> thank you. >> much more in the next hour. the president's twitter tirade attracting high profile response. we'll break down the war of words. or make a back seat that feels nothing like a back seat? why give it every feature you could want, along with a few you didn't know you needed? it's simple. you can build a car, or you can build a cadillac. come in now for this exceptional offer on the cadillac ct6. get this low-mileage lease on this 2018 cadillac ct6 from around $549 per month. visit your local cadillac dealer. from around $549 per month. do you like freshly steamed lobster? do you like the word and? then you'll love outback's steak and lobster. back by popular demand, only $15.99. so hurry in now. outback steakhouse. aussie rules.
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>> that's it for me. i'm david gura. the news continues right now
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with er with aaron gylchryst. >> trump tweeting why he says the russia indictment is over. but it comes just days after u.s. intel chiefs warned moscow has now set its sights on the midterms. so what now? plus, the president and first lady visit victims of the florida school shooting. a new investigation is launched over the way another agency handled calls about the suspect. and the white house is changing its security clearance process. why it could mean big changes for some staffers including the president's son-in-law jared kushner. 13 russians and three companies indicted for what was described as information war setting up a network of russian political subversion against the united states. russians allegedly stole identities, posed as


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