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with five days to go, will congress be able to save daca and avoid a government shutdown? an offensive play. republicans spend their sunday on the defense trying to bail out the president following his derogatory comments about haitian and african immigrants. here we go, everybody. >> secretary, you were in that meeting in the oval office. did the president say that? >> i don't recall him saying that exact phrase. >> i'm telling you he did not use that word, george, and i'm telling you it's a gross misrepresentation. how many times do you want me to say that? >> i didn't hear that either. >> i was in a meeting directly afterwards where those who presented to the president our proposal spoke about the meeting, and they said those words were used before those words went public. >> it's unfair to sort of draw conclusions from a remark that i think wasn't constructive, is the least we can say, and i think it's unfair to sort of all of a sudden paint him, oh, well, he's a racist, when i know for a fact that he cares very deeply about the people in haiti. >> one of the things that we need to do is get people like me
in the room. there are so many people that, frankly, i just want to make sure that everyone knows that i don't know if those comments would have been made if i were actually in the room. >> a year later, are you disappointed in president trump? do you think any of what you said got through to him? >> it's not evident that it got through. it does not seem like it. >> i think he is a racist. >> how do you explain it and what do we do about it? >> we have to stand up. we have to speak up. and not try to sweep it under the rug. >> that was mlk jr. iii, by the way, talking to reverend al sharpton earlier today. he said, they said. it's a battle over what the president said and has some democrats threatening a government shutdown, the vote to pass a new spending bill just days away. the two sides as far apart as can be after what some say are racist remarks from president trump. and hanging in the balance, the future of 800,000 d.r.e.a.m.ers.
for more, zulina maxwell with sirius xm and former director with the clinton campaign, eddie ground. contributor and chairman for the center for african-american studies, and sima meta, political reporter for "the los angeles times." welcome to all of you this sunday afternoon. earlier today, as senator rand paul appeared on "meet the press," suggesting that calling the president a racist was unfair and unproductive. let's take a listen to that. >> and i think it's unfair to sort of all of a sudden paint him, oh, well, he's a racist, when i know for a fact that he cares very deeply about the people in haiti. what i regret is i do want to see an immigration compromise, and you can't have an immigration compromise if everybody's out there calling the president a racist. they're actually destroying the setting. >> give me your reaction to this. >> the president destroyed these negotiations with what he said. i don't think the question any longer is whether or not the president is a racist. i think there is myriad evidence
that we can point to to say that he is a racist or at least harbors racist beliefs and has a preference for white people over black people. that was what he articulated. the controversy over the use of the word s-hole is really a red herring. what he was articulating was white supremacy. he was saying i would prefer people from norway over people from african countries and in haiti, and that's really a dangerous precedent. if we're not going to call that out properly. and i think that republicans who are defending this on the air today are simply being cowards. they should call this out for what it is, and we can't get distracted by the use of the word s-hole, because that is not the point. >> so, your point here is, it's not people calling him racist which is impeding sort of any of these negotiations, it's the fact that the president is saying what he is saying, and that's what's getting out -- >> yes, and i think post-charlottesville -- >> whether or not he said it's on all
people, it's on both sides after charlottesville. >> right. if one side is the nazis, then there are not very fine people on that side.
>> all right, several top democrats calling for the president's censure. this is actually a resolution proposed after the charlottesville incident, but it went nowhere. and censure, just for people that don't necessarily know, it's a public reprimand. it doesn't prevent the president from doing his job. so, what would that mean, if the president were to have a public censure? >> well, you know, i think representative eleanor holmes norton made it clear last night on this network, where she basically said it's not so much to restrict trump's behavior -- trump will be trump -- but it's also to signal to the globe, to the world, what the genuine, the true nature of the country is. that is to say, to say that the house of representatives, the congress rejects this particular understanding, this representation of the government, and particularly this representation of immigration policy. let me go back to the rand paul moment for a second, because i think it's important
that we see that rand paul said that if donald trump had said that we were talking about folks migrating from resource-rich
countries as opposed to resource-poor countries, we wouldn't be so up in arms. and part of what i think we need to do is to see that what trump has done is kind of let the genie out of the bottle. he's revealed the secret. that's what's really driving immigration policy, right, is a host of pernicious racist assumptions. and what people have done is that they've kind of packaged it in nice language. and what rand paul showed us is that there was no difference between the position that he takes and the position that donald trump takes, right? donald trump just happened to use a bad word. and let's be clear, when we talk about donald trump's position as a racist or donald trump as a racist, we're identifying a particular dimension of bannonism, we're identifying a particular dimension of the alt-right, we're identifying a particular white nationalist philosophy that has taken root in trumpism. and if republicans can't decry that as racist, then there must be some assumptions on their part that we need to interrogate
and smoke out. >> so, how do you smoke that out per his words, sima? where do you go from here for the gop? >> well, we have to be -- i'm sorry. >> i'll come back to you. go ahead. >> thank you. well, i think the republicans are in a tough spot and i think you saw that with some of the statements, for example, senator graham's statement on friday. while he didn't officially confirm the president said what he did, he effectively confirmed it, but he also says the american people will be looking for what we do, the legislative solutions we come up with, not how we got there. so i think republicans are in a tough spot because they need to work with this president and they have things they need to do. you need to fund the government, you have daca to deal with. there's a lot on the agenda. and i mean, this happened so much over the past year where they'll be working on something and then the president will sort of go off message or say something incredibly controversial or tweet at world leaders that completely blows up, and any momentum or any progress that was happening ends. >> let's go with daca, zulina, for a second, because a couple days ago we had a meeting that was on tape where it seemed like the president was on the right track, right? he was like, i'll take to the heat, you guys can come to a
bipartisan deal, we'll figure this out. i want to support people that are threatened under this daca deal. and then this morning he tweets out, it's dead. >> well, i think that we're always giving the president the preassumption that he understands the policy nuance. and i don't think there's any evidence that that is the case. so, this is an example of the white house essentially pushing back against the michael wolff book narrative that the president is unfit and somehow doesn't have the temperament necessary and the disposition to be president. and so, the hour-long daca meeting was supposed to demonstrate that the president, he's not senile, no dementia, look, he's running a meeting, he's a great negotiator. but what it revealed is he doesn't understand the policy nuance. so, he essentially agreed with everyone who spoke at that meeting and said it doesn't matter what you send me. it could be something random in a folder and i'm going to sign it. that is not necessarily what we would want in a white house and in a president. i think that this is, again, another case in which donald trump reveals himself to know nothing about policy, and that is what his job is, to be the executive and to implement policy and work with the
legislative branch. >> what's frustrating for me about this conversation is we have consistently -- i think you were on with me last time we had this conversation about charlottesville, virginia, i believe. we have consistently had this similar conversation, whether it was about charlottesville or way back when, when he talked about mexican immigrants coming here as drug dealers and rapists. and now, at the end of the show i'm actually going to share a list of the time that we talked about this, the controversial things that the president has said, many people calling them racist. where do you go from here? what do we do now? we can't consistently keep having these conversations and getting the same reaction from the gop and the president repeating himself in a different shape or form every single time. >> well, i think we have to be bold and courageous and call this out for what it is. i mean, for as long as i can remember being involved in politics as a young boy in mississippi -- i've said this before -- i've always kind of had to navigate racial dog whistles as a part of american politics. we can trace it from ronald reagan announcing his presidency
in philadelphia and mississippi to willie horton ads by former president bush to bill clinton and superpredators and what he did with sister soldier and reverend jesse jackson to the response to obama with the tea party and the vitriol of the tea party and the attacks on voting rights, voter suppression efforts, to now. there's always been this undertow to american politics. and what's interesting about the moment is that donald trump, for whatever he is, he is a bigot, he is a racist, but what he's done is he's let the genie out of the bottle. and what we can't do is just simply separate what trump is -- >> and maybe that's a good thing. >> -- and what he's doing. >> maybe that's a good thing. >> exactly! that's precisely the point, because he's let the genie out of the bottle and what we cannot do is put it back in. and one of the things we have to do is see what republicans and democrats, some democrats, what they've been trading in, what they've been appealing to in order to, in some ways, exploit the fears of some of our fellow americans who believe that black
and brown people are taking over the country. we need to confront the ugliness of who we are and who we have been so that we can release ourselves into a better future. that sounds poll yawnish, but we are at that crossroads in this moment and what better time to talk about that than around the celebration of dr. king and his legacy. >> seema, final thoughts here, your reaction to the way the gop and republicans have been reacting to what president trump did or they say did not say? >> well, i just wonder, does this change the narrative for anybody? if you're a supporter of the president, you believe this is another example of him speaking his mind and being refreshing. if you oppose the president, you believe this is another example of him being a racist. i don't think this moves the needle for anybody one inch. in terms of gop leadership or democrats for that matter, i mean, they knew, this is not the first time this has happened. if this was a one-time incident, this would be a whole different story, but this has happened consistently in various forms since the moment the president announced his campaign. so i don't know how this changes anything, unfortunately. >> zulina maxwell, eddie glaude. by the way, eddie, we will be
playing that "snl" clip of you later in the show. seema, thank you. coming up next, bannon in the hot seat. the former white house chief strategist gets ready to talk to the house intel committee next week as part of their russia investigation, and he is lawyering up. that's coming up. ♪ if you wear a denture, you not only want a clean feeling every day, you want your denture to be stain free. did you know there's a specialty cleanser that's gentle enough for everyday use and cleans better than regular toothpaste? try polident cleanser. it has a four in one cleaning system that kills ten times more odor causing bacteria than regular toothpaste, deep cleans where brushing may miss, helps remove tough stains, and maintains the original color of your dentures when used daily. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture, use polident every day.
treasonous. >> yes, you did. >> well, i certainly never said that he cracked like an egg on tv. >> yeah, that sounds exactly like you. >> okay, that does sound like me, yeah. all right, thank you. good reporting. >> that's a pretty good bannon. that was, of course, legendary comedian bill murray portraying steve bannon on "snl" last night, but the real bannon has nothing to laugh about as he prepares for his turn in the russia hot seat just one week after being ousted from bright bart news. former white house chief strategist will testify before the house intel committee tuesday. meanwhile, republican senator chuck grassley has confirmed that jared kushner will be interviewed by the senate judiciary committee. grassley is the chairman of that committee. joining me now
with more is barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney in michigan and msnbc news contributor. thank you for joining me this sunday afternoon. very much appreciate it. is it standard for someone like bannon to have an attorney walking into these things? >> i think so.
you know, the stakes are very high under these circumstances, and i would think i would want to have an attorney there just to advise him of questions he needs to answer, prepare him for the hearing, advise him when he might want to assert his fifth amendment privilege against self-incrimination, if it should come to that. so i don't think we should draw any adverse conclusions from the fact that he is bringing a lawyer with him. >> how much is the attorney going to be involved in the q&a? >> probably little. but again, you know, you've seen these images of a witness at a congressional hearing being asked a question and putting their hand over the microphone and consulting with an attorney. so he could be consulting with him question by question. my guess is not. my guess is that they will have prepared in advance so that steve bannon knows the questions where he can proceed on his own and may take a break to consult with his
lawyer, but i guess we'll have to wait and see how that plays out. >> as we know, steve bannon played a very key role in both the trump campaign and the trump white house in the first year. we also read that, obviously, in "fire and fury" and all the things he had to say in there.
what do you believe lawmakers will be looking to ask bannon? >> i don't think so much opinion. the book is full of things about whether this was treasonous or what he thought about that. what they really want to know is what facts he is aware of. he didn't join the campaign until august of 2016, so some of the things that predate that might not have been within his direct knowledge, but because of the key role that he played, it is likely that he knows all of the things that happened during the time that he was with the campaign and maybe even some things that predate it. so i think they'll want to know about contacts with russia. i think they'll want to know about finances with russia. they may want to know about things relating to obstruction of justice, but because of the key role he played in his relationships with trump and others, it seems like he was privy to a lot of information that could be helpful in their quest for the truth. >> but what about the fact that bannon communicated to michael wolff in that "fire and fury" book that he would have never taken a sit-down with anybody from russia, he would have contacted the fbi immediately, had that meeting come on his plate in trump tower? >> well, you know, his own
opinion, of course, isn't so much what matters, but i think they might want to peel that back and ask him, what makes you say that? had you been briefed by the fbi? what made you aware that that was a problem? and were the others on the campaign similarly briefed? should they have been similary aware so they can draw the same inferences about their behavior when they engaged in it. so i think there is some relevance if you peel back that statement a little bit, what was the underlying factual basis that led him to make that statement. >> could his comments in "fire and fury" be used against him or at least be used to fact-check him? >> oh, sure, i think so. you know, he could deny making the statements, i suppose, but i don't think he's done that. i think he's back-pedaled a little bit on what he meant by some of those things, but i think so. i think it's fair game to ask him even again about the fact that he wouldn't have taken that meeting and why does he think they did, what information did they have when they took that meeting. did they have the same information that bannon had at that time? so i do think he could be confronted with anything that he
said in that book. >> all right, i'm sure a lot's going to be coming out of this testimony. we'll be talking about it all week. barbara mcquade, thank you. >> thank you very much. next, we're live in new york city at a service honoring dr. martin luther king jr. a civil rights activist reacts to what some are calling racist remarks by president trump. shawn evans: it's 6 am. 40 million americans are waking up to a gillette shave. and at our factory in boston, 1,200 workers are starting their day building on over a hundred years of heritage, craftsmanship and innovation. today we're bringing you america's number one shave at lower prices every day. putting money back in the pockets of millions of americans. as one of those workers, i'm proud to bring you gillette quality for less, because nobody can beat the men and women of gillette. gillette - the best a man can get.
i cannot in all good conscience be in a room with what he has said about so many americans. i just cannot do it. i wouldn't be honest with myself. >> all right, civil rights activist and congressman john lewis on msnbc explaining why he's boycotting president trump's upcoming state of the union address. the congressman is just one of many standing up to the president and taking him to task over derogatory comments he is accused of making. happening now in new york city, a group of civil rights and faith leaders are honoring the life and legacy of dr. martin luther king jr. the group then plans to march to trump tower. nbc news correspondent morgan radford is there for us. morgan, good afternoon for you. what can you tell us about what's happening there?
>> reporter: right now we're in the middle of an interfaith service. in fact, i'm trying to keep my voice at a respectable level because we're in the middle of this service. you can see them here from the pulpit, from the podium. and we just saw a standing ovation. this is a packed house. people are here to celebrate what they call an interfaith service. and this is celebrating the 91st birthday of martin luther king, and just ahead of the 50th anniversary of his assassination. and after they leave here, people are walking with reverend william barber as well as a jazz-style, new orleans-style procession, where they'll be walking a few blocks to trump tower. there they say they're going to pray for the soul of the president. take a listen to why. >> the message is to give people hope where there seems to be none coming from the areas that it should be coming from. and to stand firm and united. >> i think the president is totally tone-deaf about this
whole sense of what this weekend ought to be about. it's about inclusion, about love for everyone, it's about being a true america, of which he is not. and we're going to protest as long as we have to protest. >> reporter: you can hear the applause behind me. they're saying this service is about love, it is about faith, it is about coming together. and as you heard the people we spoke to earlier, they said the president's comments this week really show that he is not in a place that is representative of what we stand for as americans in terms of inclusion. so again, we're going to finish hearing the speakers here and then we're going to go with them as they march to trump tower where they said they're also going to pray for the soul of the country. back to you. >> all right, and i'll be with you all afternoon, morgan. i'm going to let you listen to the rest of that service now. morgan radford, thank you. back with me, princeton university professor, eddie glaude, and corrector of progressive programming for sirius xm, zurlina maxwell. i want to start with sound from
john lewis this morning and also al sharpton answering the question of is trump a racist. >> i think he is a racist. we have to stand up. we have to speak up and not try to sweep it under the rug. >> the president has a pattern of racist and bigoted statements. he has no problem continuing this. any president that just three weeks ago was just getting out of a statement about haiti and a statement about africans would never have sat there in front of people and jumped right back in, unless he has no problem identifying with racism. >> and i'm going to start with you on this one, eddie. it is incredible to think we are in the midst of celebrating martin luther king jr. while we're having this conversation, while all of this has been going on, and you're hearing people in the streets of new york saying this is a weekend about inclusion, that the president is tone-deaf. what are your reactions to what we've been hearing? >> there is no substantive distinction between trumpism,
bannonism, and the rebranding of the alt-right. the alt-right is just simply white nationalism through and through. so when we hear these sorts of comments in the context of an immigration debate, we must understand it underneath it, what's driving immigration policy are deeply racist assumptions about people of color. and let me just say this, we tend to think about dr. king in this moment, during these celebrations, as the dr. king of the march on washington, "i have a dream." but dr. king was mobilizing and organizing with sanitation workers the day that the bottom half of his face was shot off, the day he was killed. and he was calling attention to the triple evils of racism, militarism and capitalism, he was calling for economic justice, organizing a poor people's campaign. but he understood that at the root of all of this, at the root of all of it is that white people in this country often view racial justice and racial
equality as a filphilanthropic enterprise, as a charitable enterprise, something to be given to someone, and as long as we understand -- >> and why do they see it that way? >> because there is a presumption that by virtue of the fact that they're white, that it presumes that they should be given privilege, that they should be treated differently. the country has been organized, as i've written in my other work, has been organized on the presumption of a value gap that white people matter more than others. and so, as we've progressed throughout history, as we've dealt with all of these substantive and significant challenges, we have yet to uproot this belief that because of the color of your skin, that somehow, you ought to be valued more than others and that because of the color of your skin, you can be charged with giving somebody else freedom. and until we address that moral shortcoming, we will be on this
racial hamster wheel well after donald trump is gone, gone on to glory. >> zurlina, i read an interesting op ed in this morning's "the new york times" op ed section, and it basically talks about sort of the idea of denial and the phrases in which we use that exist, like black on black crime, like reverse racism. those are phrases that even when using them, you don't think you're being racist. it's about infrastructure in this country. it's about the schools in baltimore. it's about the schools in detroit. i found it fascinating that this whole idea of infrastructure, and also, those phrases, that terminology, that one-off that a lot of politicians use on both sides of the aisle. >> and to piggyback on what the professor is talking about, i think what president trump has done is normalized racism. it's true that the history of the country, we're founded on a racist lie that black people are not full human beings. >> this is how other people
think. >> correct. >> this is what other people are thinking. they're just not saying it. >> correct. and i think that, you know, we haven't confronted that lie and the origin in the founding of the country. i think we lie to ourselves when we say america was founded on freedom and equality, because it wasn't. you and i were not a part of that freedom and equality laid out in the constitution and in our founding documents. but what i think is damaging the country now is that we aren't -- we don't have the courage to call out the president for what he's saying and to label it racism when it's racist. and i think the normalization of racism and sexism, i would add, because this department of justice right now, not only are they failing to enforce consent decrees with police departments who are brutalizing their citizens, they are also failing to enforce title nine, which protects women on college campuses and beyond. and so, i think that, again, it goes back to policy. but the foundation of this is essentially a racist lie that this country was founded on that we haven't fully confronted.
and that's, i think, why we fall into this quagmire. >> going off what you said in regards to not having courage to call the president what he is, eddie, there are people out there that are calling the president a racist, but racism it seems to have become much more political criesed. >> right. >> i think you're right. i think it becomes very difficult to kind of break through the way in which we talk about matters in this country. truth is under assault. seriousness is under assault. clarity is under assault. it seems as if people are just in their partisan corners, so truth doesn't really matter. we're in a postfact moment, a postliteral president, a postliterate presidency. but i was just sitting here thinking about the late james baldwin, who wrote so insightfully about dr. king. and you know, he has this moment, and excuse my language. he says, you know what, i'm not
a -- i'm a man. and the question you have to ask yourself, he's talking to the country. he says, why did you need the nigger in the first place? why did you have to create that? and until we answer that question honestly, until we grapple with it, we will find ourselves in this moment over and over again. but luckily, we're going to have another women's march on the year anniversary of the women's march. we have the poor people's campaign with reverend barber. we have folks who have a vision of democracy that reflects the true demographic diversity of this country. we have a chance to really make america what we envision it to be. the question, as zurlina has said, is will we be courageous enough? will we be courageous enough to step into it and to risk everything in this moment? >> does it take new leadership, different type of leadership, young leadership, fresh leadership? >> oh, i definitely think so. there's plenty of polling that shows millennials think about
race issues in a completely different way. and i think that the evolution -- >> why do you think that is? >> i think it's because we're growing up in more diverse communities. i think that we have more access to other cultures and other people's lives that doesn't allow us to essentially act based in ignorance. and i think that when you're espousing racist beliefs, when you have people in the middle of the country saying brown and black people are taking my jobs that comes from a place of ignorance, but it also needs to be checked. they shouldn't be able to espouse those beliefs, run for office and implement racist policy either. and i think as citizens, it's our job to speak out when racist things are said, particularly by those in power, and we should also be calling out republicans who refuse to call these racist comments racist, because the fact that you're going to say that there were seven people in the room and i don't recall hearing that particular word? well, the word is not the issue. the s-hole is not the issue. >> right. >> right. >> the issue is that he was saying we want people from norway and not from black and
brown countries. and i think that we need to confront that. until we do, we're going to be back in this position in two weeks when the president says something else. >> eddie, i know this is an incredibly emotional conversation, a very insightful one at that, but i can't let you go without bringing up your "snl" debut. was it your debut last night? how did it feel to be on "snl," eddie? there you are. >> you know, i go to bed really early, so i was out like a light. then i woke up and i saw all of these messages. and then finally, someone sent me the clip. and you know, as a country boy from mississippi, "snl," that's high cotton. so you know, i'm just glad for my parents in moss point and all the folks there who had a chance to simply laugh at me trying to get a word in edgewise. >> i have to say, i was incredibly excited to see you were on "snl" last night and my show today. so i'm incredibly honored to have both of you on the show. thank you both. beyond is a natural pet food
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they can trust government systems. we test them every day. this was a very unfortunate mistake, but these alerts are vital. seconds and minutes can save lives. >> i hope the rest of the country, i hope people in washington, leaders in washington pay attention to, that this threat of nuclear war, a nuclear attack is not a game. this is real and this is what the people of hawaii just went through. >> and many people are paying attention after yesterday's false alert signaled an incoming
ballistic missile to hawaii. that alert triggered 38 minutes of panic and confusion that i'm sure felt like days before it was eventually corrected. now federal and state officials are launching their own investigations into what exactly went wrong there. joining me now from honolulu is nbc's jacob soboroff. what are you learning from this? >> reporter: it's fascinating. to mention the 38 minutes, that's the amount of time it would take for an intercontinental ballistic missile to get from north korea to the hawaiian islands. it was a period of sheer panic and terroror for the people here over the course of that 38-minute stretch, and it was all triggered, according to state officials, by an inadvertent push, a double-click of a button that is only supposed to be clicked in respond to a call from u.s. pacific command here in hawaii. that's not what happened at all.
this was a shift change. in was a regular drill they have been doing every day here as tensions have been heightened between the president and kim jong-un. it was just a big, fat mistake by state officials that monitor the civil defense. this has illicited a response from ajit pai. he said "based on the information we've collected so far, it appears that the government of hawaii did not have reasonable safeguards or process controls in place to prevent the transmission of a false alert." and the state government here has admitted as such, and they've already put into place new processes. and in fact, they're going to suspend the testing of the sirens here, the 394 sirens on this island. that text message alert system, until they can figure out how this would never happen again. one of the things that vern miyagi, the administrator of the hawaii emergency management agency has said is they're going to put into place a counteral t
counteralert. if something like this happened again, it would be an automatic system saying this was canceled, this is a false alarm. that didn't exist. that's part of the reason there was enormous panic on the hawaiian islands. >> seems like things are back to normal, as behind you people are in the sun enjoying themselves in hawaii, as they should, but i'm sure an incredibly tense hour or so. jacob soboroff, thank you so much. want to bring in, to figure out how prepared the u.s. actually is for a threat like this, michael balboni, former new york state homeland security adviser. thank you for joining me this afternoon. i mean, hearing jacob say that in that 38 minutes, a missile could have hit and people still hadn't been informed that it was a mistake, that is incredible that this kind of mistake was able to happen. >> the impact to the community is something that it's kind of really hard to underestimate. i mean, if you're there in this situation and against this political backdrop, too, you know, there's so much irony that this mistake would happen now in the time when there's so much
tension over the north korean/u.s. relationships and the banter back and forth. >> it's very realistic that something like this could be happening. that was the other sort of finger to all of this, the other detail to all of this. >> false alarms will happen in an automated public system. >> right. >> but when we did some research, there isn't any examples of this particular type of alert happening in the recent years. and so, for it to happen now is really, again, cruelly ironic. but what it points to is that we have the integrated public alert warning system that has been around for a while, but it needs to be updated. and yet, we really haven't done that a lot because we really haven't had the need to do that. now, a radiation emergency, just so you know, the federal government has been looking at ways to deal with radiation emergencies for a long time. as a matter of fact, right now there's all these sorts of programs focused on this. this now brings into attention for the rest of the nation, well, what do we do if there is some type of radiation
emergency, obviously, with a nuclear strike being the worst kind possible? >> contexturally, you were the notification officer with homeland security, so how were the notifications put out for something like that in what was the procedure? >> in that role, i was the guy who was going to get the call from the nrc to say there's been a release at one of the four nuclear power plants in new york state and i was going to take that information and obviously talk to the governor and all of the response agencies and notify the communities. that's a little different information in the sense that it's a regional issue in terms of the release, but here it's an entire area, an entire island had to be notified at once. and the key, obviously, is to get people to react, to respond, shelter in place. >> well, and it seemed as if in hawaii they weren't prepared for the aftermath. people were running for the hills. >> right. >> people were cowering, going into their bathtubs and seeking shelter in their bathtubs. we were getting local news reports of car accidents happening during that time, so it seemed as if there wasn't enough preparedness for what to do if, in fact, something like this were to take place.
>> it is absolutely not something that people drill against. in fact, they don't even drill against a fast-moving wildfire or mudslides. >> do we now? >> as we've seen in california. it's not one of the things that we do. and a lot of people sit back and say, outside of the emergency management community, there's really nothing more you can do than stay in your own basement, but as a matter of fact, there is. and we really have to focus on the emergency management communications systems. fema's been spending a lot of money in this, but also have folks afterwards. if there was something like this, how would people be notified if they were exposed? that's been one of the greatest concerns. you should know the biomedical research development agency has actually put out hundreds of millions of dollars to develop countermeasures so you can tell that you have, in fact, been exposed, someone known as b biosdem entry. the government is still working in this area. so it's not something we see every day, but there is a lot of work going on and constant concern.
>> hopefully, things are being done to correct something like this and it never happens again and we are prepared the next time, god forbid. michael balboni, thank you. >> thank you. while some are calling for a censure, one democratic lawmaker is renewing his call to impeach the president. we'll speak with congressman al green of texas after the break. g the winter of '77. i first met james in 5th grade. we got married after college. and had twin boys. but then one night, a truck didn't stop. but thanks to our forester, neither did our story. and that's why we'll always drive a subaru.
you went and spent an hour with him and talked about everyone and debated everyone, including me. and a year later, are you disappointed in president trump? do you think any of what you said got through to him? >> it's not evident that it got through. it does not seem like it. yes, i'm disappointed. >> all right, on the eve of martin luther king jr. day, his son talking about the trump presidency to msnbc's reverend al sharpton there. joining me now, democratic congressman al green of texas. congressman, welcome to you. what was your reaction to what president trump reportedly said about african nations, haiti, and other countries? >> thank you for having me, and thank you also to the msnbc family for the way you're providing coverage on these important issues.
my reaction was one of understanding that we still have work to do, that there is a necessity for us to confront the president about his bigoted statements, because his is being transformed and translated into policy. the policy as it relates to immigration is going to be a race based policy if he has his way and i don't think we can allow him to do this. his policies with reference to persons who are members of the lgbtq community being in the military would be based upon his bigotry and he's already indicated that he would have them extricated from the military. >> right. >> i believe the president has to be challenged and the best way to challenge him is to take him to the floor of the congress of the united states by way of impeeshment. >> so some house democrats are planning to introduce a motion to censure the president for his alleged remarks. on friday you tweeted congressional condemnation of
racist bigotry is not enough. talk is cheap. it's how we vote that counts. i will put my vote where my mouth i iis #repealandreplacetrump. so despite that, will you be supporting the censure motion? >> two points, the statement that i tweeted out was tweeted, i believe, before censure as mentioned. i knew nothing of it at the time. i made that tweet because there were many persons condemning what was being said and my point as that condemnation, verbal condemnation is not enough. second point, yes, i will support censure. i think censure is an important step but i do believe that the ultimate remedy is impeachment. this is what alexander hamilton proposed in federalist '65 and impeachment is not a pleasant process, i understand this and it's not something i want to do. i only do it because i love my country and i don't want to see
my country demeaned, i don't want to see the presidency destroyed to a certain extent by a person who has unfortunately brought his bigotry into the office and he's now influencing policy. >> you've introduce the articles of impeachment before, once before it was tabled at the time. why do you think it's going to make a difference this time? >> well, the tabling was not an indication that we can't do it again. the president's latest statements are reason for us to revisit the issue. because we introduced some other type of motions or provisions, that doesn't mean that they won't be tabled. we do what we think we have to do and quite frankly, i'm doing it because it's the righteous thing to do. when dr. king went to jail and we're celebrating his life and legacy this week, he didn't think when left that jail he wouldn't end discrimination. it's a process.
when rosa parks took that seat on the bus, she didn't think she would end discrimination in one night. this is a process. >> thank you so much for joining us. very much appreciate it. we'll be right back everybody. fisher investments avoids them. some advisers have hidden and layered fees. fisher investments never does. and while some advisers are happy to earn commissions from you whether you do well or not, fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. maybe that's why most of our clients come from other money managers. fisher investments. clearly better money management. take 5, guys.
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few of the times in which the president has said or done something leading to the people to ask is he racist. he referred to mexicans as, quote, rapists and bringing drugs into our country and some, i assume are good people. during a meeting on immigration he called mafg a quote, terrorist haven, said haitians all have aids and said nigerians would quote never go back to their huts after coming to the u.s. the white house denies the president ever said these things. when talking about a gold star family that spoke at the dnc during the presidential election, the president said the wife was not speaking because she was a muslim and she was not allowed. the president had to delete this image. also how about when he was speaking with navajo coat talkers and referred to elizabeth warren as pocahontas.
the president repeated asked this woman where she's from, first it's new york but the president, not satisfied and wants to know, where are your people from, the woman says her pants are from korea. he then turns to the adviser and suggests that her origin should determine or career path and why the pretty korean lady isn't negotiating on behalf of the united states to north korea. i will leave to to robert kennedy to sum things up. >> it can be filled with bitterness and with hatred and a desire for revenge. we can move in that direction as a country and greater polarization, black people amongst blacks and white amongst whites, filled with hatred toward one another. or we can make an effort as
martin luther king did to understand and to comprehend and replace that violence, that stain of blood shed that is spread across our land with an effort to understand compassion and love. >> he certainly did understand it. that does it for me. the news continues right now. thank you very much for that reminder. enjoyed that conversation you had as well. so thanks for bringing that to us. we've got a lot to break down this hour. president trump's comments about immigration and african nations leading to accusations of racism for some countries. panic in hawaii. a mistaken message about an incoming missile has people
worried today if it's for real next time. trump's former senior adviser gets ready to talk about congressional officials about russia. this hour we're expecting up to 2,000 people led bill the william barber to launch to trump tower. this comes as talks about the president's comments about haiti and african-american and african nations i should say in a meeting on immigration reach a fever pitch. >> i can't defend the indefensible. you have to understand that there are -- there are countries that do struggle out there but they're people. they're people are good people and they're part -- they're part of us, we're americans. >> i'm telling you he did not use that word, george and it's a gross misrepresentation. how many times do you want me to say that. >> i was in a meeting directly afterwards where those presented