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afternoon. i'll be back here at 3:00 p.m. tomorrow. you can always find me on snapchat, twitter, facebook, instagram. hi, steve. >> hi, kate. good afternoon. i'm steve kornacki. live in new york, we are 43 days and counting now until donald trump is sworn in as president. topping our agenda this hour is the short list getting shorter. >> when i first heard there was a short list, i thought they were referring to a list of short people, which, as you see, i would definitely be on that list. the battle for secretary of state down to the wire. getting an interview today, retired admiral james stevrinas. he was a top critic of donald trump. another critic was in new york, mitt romney, but romney steering clear of trump tower today. could his stock be dropping with
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the president-elect? also on the agenda, saying goodbye. >> i didn't make it in life because of my athletic prowess. i didn't make it because of my good looks. i didn't make it because i'm a genius. i made it because i worked hard. >> a farewell ceremony getting underway right now for retiring senate democratic leader harry reid, and on tap to speak, hillary clinton. this will be her second public appearance since her stunning defeat. that will be any minute from now. we will have it for you live. rounding out our agenda right now, sad news we are just learning about in the last few minutes. the last survivor of the original mercury 7 astronauts. john glenn, the first american to orbit the earth, also a great politician in his own right. he ran for president once. well, he has passed away at the age of 95. we begin this afternoon on that story. former senator, astronaut, american hero john glenn passing
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away. again, this news coming in in just the last few minutes at the age of 95. john glenn a record-breaking aviator, a pioneer in space, he was. the first man to orbit the earth in 1962. he logged more than 200 hours in space. spent nearly a decade as part of the space program before returning to his native ohio, and that is where he set his sights on a different kind of adventure. politics, he first planned to run for office. he suffered a concussion which forced him to delay things, but in 1974 he did win election to the united states senate. he held that seat for four terms, 24 years, retiring in 1998. he ran for president in 1984. he was a finalist to be a vice presidential candidate in 1988. he might have come close to getting it in 1976. quite a career in politics for him. even as glenn prepared for retirement back in 1998, he
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couldn't fight that pioneer spirit. glenn embarking in 1998 at the age of 77 in one final mission to space. he became the oldest man ever to go to space, this in 1998. a true icon. john glenn passing away in his beloved ohio. he was surrounded, we're told, by family. that includes his wife of 73 years, annie. jay has covered the space program for 50 years. he joins me now. john glenn obviously a big name in american politics, but the reason he was a big name in politician is because he was an american hee rro in 1966. you covered him. what are your thoughts right now? >> steve, i did a couple books with john glenn here. the last one we worked on together was "neil armstrong, a
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life of flight." neil and john were very close, and we all, in the space program, stayed close through the years. and john was just the most civilized man i knew. in fact, you're talking about his life in politics. the thing that jumps out and gets me is the fact that everybody here at the space center and in the space family never thought of john glenn as being a senator. i never called him senator glenn in my life that i know of even though i interviewed him for nbc when he was running for president down in miami. but, anyway, john was just a giant. and he took a risk in flying into space on board an unproven rocket on february the 20th, 1962 to become the first american to orbit earth, and we see his picture up here now. and john not only made that flight, and as you just said a while ago, he came back in 1998, and on october the 29th, he took
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off on board the shuttle discovery, flew up there nine days, came back later and walked off with the rest of the crew when everybody was betting at the age of 77 that he was not going to be able to walk off. he'll probably be bedridden for a week or so. but not john. john was a man that kept going, and everyone loved him, and he would be with people day in and day out. in fact, in one of my books i wrote, in writing the john glenn story, i wrote to close a chapter that when he passes, his epitaph should be "here lies a civilized man." well, that's today, and i hope that will be his epitaph, because he was a civilized man who never thought of himself better than anyone else. >> jay, if you could just take us back to that moment in 1962, what that meant for america at the time. the space race was in its infancy, the soviets had gotten
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a jump start on the united states, the cold war was raging. what did it mean for america when john glenn orbited the earth in 1962? >> actually, after the gre gsgon orbited in 1961, we tried to get jon up in the same year. when he was sitting on top of that at las rocklas rocket readp into space, everybody was on pins and needles. it was the greatest launch out of 166 i ha. i have the pleasure of being the only reporter who covered all missions so far by american astronauts, 166 of them, and all for nbc, i might add. but, anyway, when he lifted off,
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you know, it was the most tense moment in my life that's ever been. not even going to the moon. nothing compares to his liftoff on that atlas. because getting the at las ready to take the mercury spacecraft into orbit with john glenn, they had two accidents. when they got down to 10 seconds, his backup man, astronaut scott cooper said these words, "godspeed, john glenn." and the one we called the altar boy said, may the good lord ride all the way. and he did. he rode all the way through john's life. we will miss him. >> jay barbree. he was there when john glenn became an american hero more than 50 years ago. jay, thank you for taking a few minutes. we appreciate it following this breaking news. just learned in the last few minutes that john glenn passed
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away at the age of 95. we're also keeping an eye on ohio state university. the president-elect donald trump. he is there today expecting to meet with the victims and first responders of that november 28 stabbing attack on campus. chris jansing has been on campus all day today talking to students. but chris, you also happened to be in a place that is now suddenly in the news for another reason, john glenn passing away at ohio state hospital there, an ohio native. this is his beloved home state. we're just learning of this in the last couple minutes. it was the columbus newspaper that may have first reported this. what is the early reaction there about his passing? >> you know, i think governor kasich said it appropriately when he tweeted he was ohio's hometown hero. i was five years old when he made that trip. it was only three orbits around, but to echo what jay barbree just said, i can remember as a kindergartner watching that, and the nervousness, the pride, the
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excitement, the cheers. it was something extraordinary that i will never forget. and later when i covered his return to space when i was able to see him on capitol hill, he had this bearing that he really did embody heroism. when we use that word not lightly the way we do it now, his papers are housed here at ohio state university. the president put out a statement that the community is mourning him. he spent his last hours here. he was brought into the cancer center here at ohio state, although that doesn't mean he had cancer. he was coming here for treatment. he and his wife annie, as he called her, so well known in this community, always loved ohio, and i can just tell you as a native of this state, he was someone who was beloved, not just in this community but across the state and who people certainly, of my generation and
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many generations looked to as someone to emulate. it's a sad day here on ohio state university campus with statements being put out both by the president here at osu and by the governor, steve. >> obviously we will be hearing a lot more reaction, and i'm sure there will be plenty of public ceremonies out there in ohio in the next few days with this news coming out in just the last few minutes about john glenn. we'll have more on this throughout the hour, but chris, you are also out there covering the president-elect today. as we mentioned, donald trump is at ohio state. there was that attack on campus a couple weeks ago. the assailant was killed. fortunately, nobody else was. donald trump visiting with some victims there. tell us what's going on there today with donald trump. >> reporter: yeah, 13 people were injured in that attack, and donald trump said he has come here, he wants to have an opportunity to talk to those victims. he'll have a separate meeting, we are told, with first responders. that includes police and emts. it's not clear how many of those folks have accepted the invitation.
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we did speak a little bit earlier today with a professor emeritus here on campus who said he decided not to go. obviously there has been some criticism from the beginning of this because donald trump tweeted very quickly after, and then when he was on his thank you tour in cincinnati, talked about the assailant who was a somali refugee and said that if there were tougher laws and if the politicians weren't so stupid, basically, that this never would have happened, and the proefrtfessor's position wi want to be used as political purposes. at the same time, they told me if there are students who feel this will help them able to meet the president-elect, to have an opportunity to talk to him, he certainly doesn't begrudge it. don't expect a lot of news out of this, although we may hear from donald trump. at least if president obama is any indication, he has kept
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these things very private and has never talked about his interactions with people involved in tragedies. we'll see how donald trump handles it, steve. >> chris, appreciate that. donald trump seems close to announcing his secretary of labor now. this was one of those vacancies left in the cabinet. nbc news reporting that andy pudry, owner of the parent company of hardee's and carl's jr. andy puzder, apparently the choice for his department of labor. you know that is the business he is in, and of course, one thing he's notable for from a public policy standpoint here, an issue that has been center stage the last few years, that question of
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raising the federal wage, there's been a push from democrats. even a few republicans say maybe it's time for that. it's not an issue that andy p puzder has been interested in, but the big mystery of the day is who will take the secretary of state slot in trump's cabinet? this looks like the short list, at least for right now. we have a couple names here, at least. you have john bolton, bob corker from the senate. rudy giuliani, his name has been out there for a while. there are other names, too. david petraeus, general david petraeus has met with donald trump. rex tillerson has met with him. he was vehemently against donald trump, now today sitting down with donald trump, apparently a candidate for this slot. not the only trump critic to sit down with donald trump and become a candidate for secretary of state. the name mitt romney also
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apparently still in the mix, although there is some dispute now over how high up or maybe low on that short list mitt romney is. for more on the secretary of state sweepstakes, katie tur is in des moines. donald trump will head there later. katie tur is there now. who has the inside track for secretary of state? do you have a sense? >> that is still up in the air, who is the top contender for secretary of state. we haven't heard a lot about rudy giuliani lately, but i would contend to say that could mean he was being taken more seriously than he was before. i know there was some concern by donald trump about rudy giuliani's public words about how much he wanted secretary of state. he felt that was a little bit untoward. since then rudy giuliani has faded into the background.
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in terms of general stayridis, he sat down with donald trump in trump tower. he called the meeting comedic. he made a short joke after being asked if he would be secretary of state, but he didn't confirm or deny that he was on that list and deferred to trump tower saying we would have to ask him. the question is how seriously is mitt romney being taken? you alluded to this, steve. you said there is a question internally if he is a serious contender for this role, and i can tell you donald trump the other day said that, yes, he is still someone that donald trump was considering. but i've been talking to sources within the trump transition, also sources close to donald trump who tell me he is not as high up as he once was. remember, mitt romney is in new york today. he was there for a paid speech. it no it's notable, though, that he was in new york yet he was not visiting with the president-elect. take from that what you will, steve, but it could be that mitt
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romney is no longer as high up as he was as late as last week. >> katie tur out in des moines. donald trump will be in des moines later on. for more behind closed doors at trump tower, i want to take you to joe from "morning joe." the latest is mitt romney is in new york today, not at trump tower. should we be reading anything into this? is his stock falling with donald trump? >> no, he's not. he had planned to be up here for some time, as you said, for a scheduled speech, and there are a lot of names being floated that aren't serious contenders any more. the two names, though, for people closest to donald trump that keep at least coming up over the last two to three days,
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and it will be curious to see what happens with stayridis today. but at least before that meeting today, rex tillerson and mitt romney were the two names that kept coming up. there has obviously been a furious round of leaking from people close to donald trump who don't want mitt romney to be secretary of state, whether it's reportedly steve bannon or others close to donald trump who are actually pushing him to get a flamethrower like john bolton, which is, of course, idealogically inconsistent with everything donald trump has said since he first began running for president. john bolton who still thinks invading iraq in 2003 was a great idea. but i've got to also say if rudy giuliani is still on the short list, that's actually news to people very close to rudy giuliani who have quietly been telling republican operatives
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that they don't believe he's in the running any longer. i think the two names as of tonight, and this could change, but the two names to be looking at very closely are mitt romney and rex tillerson. the exxon/mobil ceo had a great meeting with trump, and at least those close to donald trump said he seemed to have an extraordinary command of the world. obviously he's been the ceo of one of the largest corporations on the planet for almost two decades now, so one would expect him to have that. but many were saying he seemed to know more about world affairs and world leaders than many of the politicians who have been interviewing for the job. that's where it seems to be today. that could all change. i had speculated this morning, steve, that because of the
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selection at the epa, because of pruitt, that it would be harder for donald trump to select an exxon/mobil ceo for stary of state, but we will see. every choice that comes out actually is showing just how conservative donald trump's selections have been, so it's anybody's guess. >> do you have any sense, joe, just quickly. you mentioned the sort of opposition from romney in trump's inner circle. they don't like what he did during the campaign. how much does that weigh on donald trump himself? how much does that matter to him what mitt romney was doing during the campaign? >> actually, he's -- he and romney, from all reports, have moved past what happened during the campaign and both actually like each other now. the meeting was a grand slam. people close to donald trump called it a grand slam. romney's people called it a
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grand slam as well. but you obviously have people like mike huckabee and newt gingrich and reportedly steve bannon and others who just don't like romney, consider him to be a moderate, and there is a lot of resentment spilled over from the 2012 campaign. does that weigh on donald trump? well, if it didn't weigh on donald trump, then mitt romney would have been selected secretary of state a week ago. but i think the fact that we're this farah long in the process and romney still is in that mix suggests that while it's caused him some pause that romney is still alive and well in the process. we hear corker is, too. >> joe, i don't mean to interrupt. we actually have some breaking news. thank you for joining us and i'm sorry to interrupt, but we have hillary clinton making her second public appearance since the election. this is on capitol hill right
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now. she is speaking at an event honoring harry reid. let's listen. >> i would like to thank harry for inviting me to be part of this celebration. as we celebrate a great leader and a great senator, and yes, a great american, i just want to pause for a moment and mark the passing of one of our great americans as well, senator john glenn, a friend to many of us and a genuine american hero passed away today. i know the tributes will be flowing. i'm sure the congressional record will be filled with pages of appreciation and recognition of this extraordinary american's life. it is fitting that we're here in the kennedy caucus room which has seen so much history. harry got his start in politics
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organizing for jfk. even then he knew how to win. my very first experience as an intern here on the hill was helping with hearings right in this caucus room. and it's fitting that we would gather in a place that represents the values of this extraordinary dleliberative bod. i want to thank the entire reid family for sharing harry with us for all these years. to be here with vice president biden, leaders mcconnell and pelosi and chuck schumer. today we are hanging harry's portrait here in the capitol, but the more fitting portrait of him will be the one that goes in the dictionary next to the word
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"fighter." throughout his career, harry has fought the good fight. on behalf of the working families of nevada and all americans. harry welcomed me as a new senator more than 15 years ago. and over the years, he became both a trusted colleague as well as a friend. one of my favorite memories, harry, is going with you to fallon, nevada. we went to hold a hearing about the high rates of leukemia in that small town. we both shared a passion for health care and a worry about so-called cancer clusters. and on that trip and on many occasions, i saw firsthand harry's deep commitment to the state and country he loved and served so well. no matter how high he rose here in washington, he never lost
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touch with the people and values he grew up with back in searchlight. in a little house where he was born, there was an embroidered pillowcase with a quote from franklin roosevelt that embodied harry's life and career. "we can, we must, we will." i've walked the neighborhoods, sat in union halls, met workers in casino kitchens, and everywhere i went, nevadans told me how much it meant to them to have harry reid as their corner man. we've seen the strength of that bond in election after election. i've benefited from it and so have many democrats. harry's commitment to our country runs just as deep. throughout his career, he's fought tirelessly to protect america's public lands and
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natural beauty, from protecting the great basin national park to restoring lake tahoe to leading the way on clean energy. harry's legacy is embodied in landmark legislation that made life better for american families, like the affordable care act which wouldn't have passed without his leadership and now provides health coverage to more than 22 million people. millions of young people can stay on their parents' health plans because harry reid fought for it. and that's not all. millions of seniors rely on social security today because harry led the fight to stop it from being privatized. he fought to pass comprehensive immigration reform and got it through the senate. if it had been signed into law, millions of families would not be living in fear of being torn apart and our economy would
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benefit from the millions of workers coming out of the shadows. as a senator, i learned a lot from harry about how actually to get things done in this place. he's not a man of many words, but when he uses them, he always tells it as he sees it. he's never afraid to speak out, even when it's not easy or popular. harry has fought for the simple but powerful idea that, yes, we are all created equal. he understood that all our leaders and all of our citizens alike have a responsibility to defend the rights of every single american. after the constitutional convention, it's well known benjamin franklin was asked what form of government the new nation would have. a republic, he replied, if you can keep it. that's still our charge and it's as urgent as it's ever been. we must stand up for our
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democracy skbrjust as harry hase his entire career. let me mention briefly one threat in particular that should concern all americans. democrats, republicans and independents alike, especially those who serve in our congress. the epidemic of malicious fake news and false propaganda that flooded social media over the past year, it's now clear that so-called fake news can have real world consequences. this isn't about politics or partisanship. lives are at risk. lives of ordinary people just trying to go about their days to do their jobs, contribute to their communities. it's a danger that must be addressed and addressed quickly. bipartisan legislation is making its way through congress to boost the government's response to foreign propaganda, and silicon valley is starting to grapple with the challenge and threat of fake news.
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it's imperative that leaders in both the private sector and the public sector step up to protect our democracy and innocent lives. harry reid and vice president biden may be stepping back from the daily scrum of politics and governing, but i know i speak for them as well as tens of millions of americans when i say that we are all counting on those of you who remain. counting on you to defend this institution that all three of us love so much and the democratic values it embodies. counting on you to carry forward harry reid's legacy, to stand with working families and fight the good fight for a better, stronger, fairer america. harry, my friend, thank you for your service and your friendship. i can't help but think of that wonderful song "the boxer."
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you left your home and your family when you were no more than a boy. now in the clearing stands a boxer, a fighter by his trade. you carried the reminders of every glove you faced, but even more, we carried the reminders of every fight you waged for us. and we will never, ever forget. i wish you and your family all the happiness in the world. you have earned it. thank you, my friend. >> that is hillary clinton there. she's on capitol hill. that is her second public appearance, her second speech since losing the presidential election. she spoke a week after the election at the children's defense fund at a gala for them. now there she is on capitol hill. that is an event honoring harry reid. he is retiring from the u.s. senate. he has been the democratic leader in the u.s. senate since
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2004. hillary clinton taking part, one of the speakers there. you see vice president joe biden. he's at the podium now. we are going to take a listen to the vice president -- excuse me, they're going to listen. folks behind me in the control room are going to listen. if the vice president says something worth flagging, we will play it for you. i'm going to talk to now a professor at the university of southern california and susan page, the washington bureau chief at usa today. they have been listening along with me, watching along with me as hillary clinton made those remarks. susan, let me start with you. she did make a little bit of news there. this was a tribute to harry reid. she talked about fighting for our democracy and then she said there is one in particular i want to single out. she said that is the malicious threat of fake news. she says it's now clear that so-called fake news can have consequences that are real and that lives are at risk.
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obviously she was talking about. she made mention of many reports of russian propaganda making their way into some of our media during this campaign, potentially. also stories that spread virally that were untrue, the one that led to the shoofgt. certainly there is a little bit of a political side to that. she was target which ended just a month tag that was a little touching, but she started with a little speechwriters in modern political times might want to contact on that. she started by saying that was a way to get back into it.
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what part does hillary clinton want to play going forward, especially when donald trump is inaugerated next month? >> she's also made a couple unintentional public appearances walking around in the woods near her house in chappaqua. others have run into her, taking selfies with her, taking pictures. you've dealt with winning candidates, you've dealt with losing candidates, but hillary clinton as a defeated candidate seems a little unique to me, not only because of how big the stage was, but the fact she went into her event on election night thinking this thing was won, thinking she was the next president, planning her moves for the transition just as donald trump apparently is telling people this week he went into his next move thinking it was a vacation. so going from thinking you're a winner to this, how do you do that? >> it very hard. walter mondale who lost 49
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states asked george mcgovern who also lost 49 states, how long does it hurt? when do you get over it? he answered never. i think she's handled the last couple weeks with a lot of grace. i think that joke is a gentle way back into the process. when you watch her now, you almost wish this was the person in the last month and a half of campaign that we were seeing every day. she seems very comfortable with herself. but i can tell you, it's really tough to get out there. it's even tougher if you think, for example, as al gore did that he won the election but wasn't going to get inaugerated, and it's tough as well if you think somehow or other you went into that evening, you were going to win, everybody around you told you you were going to win and then you lost. it's a very, very hard thing to absorb. i've seen it with folks. it's painful. she's handling it about as well as anyone could. >> i'm curious, bob, to ask you,
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too, not just about hillary herself but how the hillary clinton campaign has reacted over the last month. we saw some comments by the top folks in the campaign last week. they had this event at harvard. you had the trump folks, the clinton folks there. one of the criticisms that's been leveled against the clinton team is they haven't grappled with the reasons that they could control that they lost this election. you heard some people might read into what hillary clinton was just saying there about fake news. some people or critics might read into that and say, well, that is a candidate, a defeated candidate saying, hey, it was an external thing that caused me to lose, it wasn't necessarily anything i did. have you seen soul searching from the clinton side about what they did to lose this election? >> i think it's always easier to blame external forces than it is to blame yourself. that's just human nature. we had a conference a few days ago. joe benson was there, hillary's team strategist. he said he was on his torture tour, so i think he understood
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what was happening. we had a civilized conversation back and forth between him and a trump person like alex castellanos. i think the democratic party has to come to terms with the fact that this was the first democratic candidate in modern history that didn't make a sustained, serious, economic argument in terms of advertising and in terms of the amount of money they spent on television. only 9% of the ads, according to a study at ucla, made a comment about growth. democrats have to go out and make that argument. obama did it with romney in 201 2012. first indicted romney for his business practices, then talked about what was between them. i think he got caught between trump's indiscretions, his
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mysogeny, and that became the centerpiece of the campaign. i think that in ttrospection thinking you might within is -- win is certain. i understand the pain the clinton campaign is going through. >> hillary clinton, 69 years old. you can see there showing maybe a more relaxed side of herself a little bit. what do you think the future holds for her? what does your gut tell you? >> i don't know. some of it is up to her, but the democratic party is eager to move on to a new generation of leaders. on the one hand, she won the popular vote. she got more actual votes than any white guy running for president before except barack obama and she's close ing in on
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him. on the other hand, she did lose an election that democrats thought they ought to have won. i was at that harvard conference last week, and i think clinton folks were not yet ready to acknowledge the mistakes that were made on the part of the campaign that contributed to this. or to the falilings of their ow candidate. that is something, i think, will have to follow in the time ahead of them to figure out what went wrong in this election that they were all so confident they were going to win. >> and this is a very busy hour newswise. we just heard from hillary clinton again. at the top of the hour, we brought you the news john glenn, former u.s. senator, former astronaut passing away at the age of 95. we talked at the top of the show with jay barbree, the astronaut, the space race, how important that was to this country. talk to us, if you would, though, about john glenn the
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politician. he went from being an astronaut to politics. he resonated like any politic n politician. talk about him there. >> i was a strategist and media consultant in his last senate race in ohio in 1992, which he won. i had gotten to know him pretty well. i knew him somewhat before that. actually, he wasn't a great politician. he was a great public servant. from the frontiers of space to the factory floors of ohio to the u.s. senate. the worst thing you could do in capturing john glenn was telling him he had to believe something or vote in a certain way because it was the political thing to do. you had to argue that tfts right before the merits. efls equally honest with himself, honest to believe,
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effort to. it's probably also the reason why, in. when he ran for president, he didn't end up getting the nomination. but he would not have been himself. he's one of the unique figures in. he was dedicated for fighting for working people, for example. . if you go back to probably early 1983, it was not a crazy thought that john glenn at that moment might be our next president. thank you both for joining us. >> thank you.
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an intense scene down in charleston, south carolina today. that is where the dylan roof trial is playing out. jurors show him graphic incidents and video in the church. we are going to go live to charlest charleston, next. they are the natural borns enemy of the way things are. yes, ideas are scary,
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mariana atencio is covering the trial. it sounds like a big day there, the defendant talking to the families of the victims. >> he said this might be to powerful to bear. you are allowed to step out of the courtroom. today was marked by the prosecutor showing these crime scene images to the jurors. i was in the courthouse earlier today and was able to see dylan roof via a monitor. he is not wearing his prison uniform today. he is wearing a black long-sleeved t-shirt and gray pants, just not looking at everything that's going on around him. it seems like he's just staring blankly ahead or just looking at the floor. you can imagine how hard it is for families. they are seated in these wooden benc benc benc benchsin the first couple rose close to where dylan roof is.
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we heard from a friend of one of the victims. he remembers seeing pictures on his phone of that bible study. he saw dylan roof just waiting patiently for this bible study. that story is also playing out in court today. we're already by witness number 12. we also heard from a crime scene analyst today, and she said 22 bullets were found at the scene and 54 were taken from the bodies of victims in autopsy. steve? >> mauriana atencio at that trial. we go out west where nevada is praising police for their handling of a shooting at a school in reno. the video we're about to show you is disturbing, students and staff watching at the school as
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a police officer shot and critically wound aed a 14-year-d boy who wouldn't put down a knife he was holding. investigators say they're still trying to piece together the investigation. we've got the video, cal. we've got a lot of questions. what kind of answers do we have right now? >> we're still waiting for the cancer which is what is the motive of why that student was wielding those two knives? you can see the video of all those other students surrounding this obviously disturbed student, and that was the concern police had, that he was a danger to those many students there. this video is becoming a key part of evidence in the investigation. police are asking for any of the other students who took video on their cell phones to hand that video over. in the press conference today, the school superintendent said the police should be thanked, and thanked them for their quick action and professionalism. of course, the sort of discussion that's happening now is the deadly use of force that
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was used on this student. and while we look for a motive, it should be said that a lot of stuff is popping up on social media. on the "today" show this morning on nbc, we heard from a student that said perhaps there was a fight oside this classroom that then spurred on this incident. but we're waiting to hear from officials. the investigation is being run by the reno police, backed up by washoe county and the fbi to try to sort out exactly what happened. but again, obviously very disturbing images coming out of this incident, steve. >> caliperry, thank you for that. meanwhile, take a look now. this is joe biden. we showed you a little of this earlier today. there we are. capitol hill. that was hillary clinton earlier. she spoke at the ceremony honoring harry reid. he is retiring from the senate. he looks like he's at the podium beginning his remarks at the ceremony. stepping down. he was first started working in
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the epidemic of malicious fake news and false propaganda that flooded social media over the past year, it's now clear that so-called fake news can have real world consequences. this isn't about politics or partisanship. lives are at risk. lives of ordinary people just trying to go about their days to do tir jobs, contribute to their communities.
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it's a danger that must be addressed and addressed quickly. bipartisan legislation is making its way through congress to boost the government's response to foreign propaganda, and silicon valley is starting to grapple with the challenge and threat of fake news. >> that was hillary clinton just a few minutes ago on capitol hill. that was a ceremony honoring harry reid but clinton making news there talking about the subject of fake news. this is a phenomenon paying attention to a lot in the last few days. and of course maybe it was at work in the days leading up to the election. the dangers, the potential dangers, at least being driven home over the weekend with that shooting in washington, d.c. that was apparently driven by an on-line conspiracy theory. 28-year-old edgar madison welsh was arrested after firing a gun in a popular child's pizza place in a scheme he believed involved
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hillary clinton. that is obviously one of those on-line rumors that has been debunked but did get plenty of attention on line. he now tells how he regrets that action. jacob, you have been looking into this subject the last few days now. there's hillary clinton, just her second appearance since the election. she's trying to draw some attention to it. what have you been finding? >> it's so fascinating to listen and hear hillary clinton talk about what she calls an epidemic of fake news, and some people are saying fake news did have an influence on the outcome of this election. we know that the 19 most viewed fake news articles were viewed more than the most 20 viewed news articles from mainstream sources. so this gentleman who went into the comet ping-pong pizza is speaking about why he went in there. what was behind the thought process to lead him to leave his home in north carolina and actually go to washington, d.c. and unload a firearm into the
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ground in this pizzeria. let me read you what he told the "new york times." he said substantial evidence from a combination of sources, quote, left the impression that something nefarious was happening. he said one article on the subject led to another and then another. he said he did not like the term fake news, thinking it meant to diminish stories outside the mainstream media which he does not completely trust. i ex clclusively in a conversat with savannah guthrie on the "today" show. here's what she said. >> did it play a bigger role in retrospect than you thought? >> there are claims it swayed the election. we don't think it swayed the election, but we take that responsibility really seriously and we're looking at things like
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third parties helping to label false news, doing the things we can do to make it clearer what's a hoax on facebook. >> so fascinating here again to hear one of the top executives at facebook discuss this, steve. we know there are several different players in this fake news game. it's the creators of the fake news, the distribute ors of the fake news. trust in the media is at an all-time low. what can we do to make people trust us better and not turn to these sources in the first place? >> that's a key part of this question, obviously. it not unheard of with politicians from both parties to attack the media and say the media is getting them wrong, getting the story wrong. that's been repeated so many times, and many times the media plays into that with mistakes that are made here. that's certainly a part of this as well. jacob soboroff, thank you so much.
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now over to josh lipton. he's got the cnbc market wrap. >> thanks, steve. u.s. stocks closed higher on thursday, notching fresh record highs. this post-election rally has recently carried the market. the dow jumped 65 points. it has now posted gains in 19 of the past 23 sessions. s&p 500 rose five points. the nasdaq climbed more than 23 po. that's it from cnbc first in business worldwide. ♪ ♪ is it a force of nature? or a sales event? the season of audi sales event is here. audi will cover your first month's lease payment on select models during the season of audi sales event. i'm not a customer, but i'm calling about that credit scorecard. give it. sure! it's free for everyone. oh! well that's nice! and checking your score won't hurt your credit.
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i'm steve kornacki here in new york. before we go, a quick note. bernie sanders will be in trump country, they're calling it, 8:00 eastern here on msnbc. "mtp daily" starts right now. it's thursday. donald trump seems to govern from the right. or is he? tonight, persuading donald trump. do you do it with force or flattery? how to influence a president trump style. plus, is there growing concern among milt taerthe milit about trump's pick for national security adviser. >> i think we need to look at what went on between john glenn and his son. and remembering john glenn, the first man to orbit thear

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