tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC November 21, 2016 9:00pm-10:01pm PST
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sworn in in january. that pose as real risk that some of them are going to pull a muscle. democrats are trying to decide who will run the democratic in president obama's lame duck. but on top of all of that in politics and in washington, also, this weekend, the white supremacists got together for their big conference. they met in washington, d.c., this conference every year. we do know that they got twice as many people this year as they had last year. >> to be white is to be a striver, a crusader, an explorer and a conquerer. we build, we produce, we go upward.
and we recognize a centralized relations. we don't explore other groups and don't gain anything from their presence. way around. [ applause ] that the election of donald trump might have americans but today it's clear his election is only intensifying the storm of hatred and hysteria being directed against us. as europeans, we are uniquely at the center of history. we are, as hagel recognized, the embodiment of world history itself. gracefully. committed against us. for us, it's conquer or die. this is a unique burden for the
entirely in our hands. within us, within the very blood in our veins lies the potential for greatness. are called to. we were meant to overcome, overcome all of it because that is natural and normal for us. [ applause ] because for us as europeans, it is only normal again when we are great again. when we are great again, we
european -- make white people also, did you notice the white people are children of the sun? did you notice that line from him? i mean, i would just -- i'm no expert, but i would think that children of the sun would be you know what i'm saying? this was not a tan group. but now that we've got this new president-elect, this is the news cycle on the monday of thanksgiving week because this is part of our national politics now. with this president-elect and with who he is bringing with him to washington, this is the kind of thing that we're all getting used to covering now and so honestly, the view from inside today's news cycle, trying to figure out how to do an evening news show in politics and in our country had to today include a big serious not at all conscious debate inside news organizations about whether the white supremacists, there was a huge debate today about whether when
they got together they were saying hile trump or hail trump. it was a big debate today. >> because for us, as europeans, it is only normal again when we are great again. hail trump. hail our people. >> big discussion today within the news business as to whether that was hile, like german, or was that hail like english and so that was the first part of the news day trying to figure out how to cover that and then late this afternoon we got tape from that event from a different angle which settled conclusively the highly versus hail. saying hail trump and then you take the wide trump and you can then see how the room reacted. watch this. >> hail trump.
that he's part of so that they will have more influence in this country and so, yes, maybe there was some hail trump, people giving nazi salutes and in response to the cries for hail trump simply out of, in his words, out of exuberance. so we therefore shouldn't reach too much into it. you know, we know this kind of stuff exists in our country. country under one rock or another, this specific guy giving the hail speech and we've covered him on and off because every once in a while in real politics, real politics butts up against guys like him turning whites into an ethno-states. what we're not used to is covering him as a relevant part of our presidential politics, which is what it has now become.
and because the followers of this white nationalists and racist agenda came into this d.c. conference from all over the happened in presidential politics that they are feeling super empowered by what just happened in this election and they feel like they've got a guy at the top. on friday afternoon, on the eve of this conference, a restaurant in the suburbs of washington, d.c., they took a last-minute booking for a banquet that night. they said they needed to book a room for the family reunion and the family name was generic, no reason to think it was anything other than what it seemed like. they told us that 80 or so people came in for that, maybe 100 people. at one point they told us that 50 people from outside on the street burst into the restaurant to try to storm this family
reunion event, protesting the presence of whatever generic family reunion was going on. the restaurant blocked the surge lot more protests outside in the street and somebody threw a stink bomb into the fray. management had to call the police and they shut down the restaurant down for the night for everybody's safety, they to clean up, somebody sent the restaurant a picture. and you recognize there in the picture, the nazi salute. the restaurant staff also recognized in that picture their own light fixtures in the background and that's when they realized, oh, who really had been there. night, unbeknownst to the restaurant was the white supremacist getting ready for the conference. "this expression of support of
hitler is extremely offensive to us as our restaurant is home to everyone of different backgrounds. for this meeting which resulted in hateful sentiment. suggestion of one of our guests, we're donating the pro fits from our restaurant sales on friday, $10,000 to the d.c. office of the anti-defamation league which has been working for peace and understanding." had no idea what it was getting into. they are apologizing for the mess. right. they want no part of what was displayed by their customers that night. they consider it a threat to their way of doing business. that restaurant has been very clear about that in the suburbs of washington, d.c., they got
into something with people they did not know what they were going to get and acknowledged it as wrong, they fessed up to it, said what they believed was wrong with it and gave away their profits from the night. that's one way to handle things like this. politics. mass gathering of hundreds of white supremacists giving the hitler salute and saying "hail trump" and talking about the natural genetic destiny of white people to conquer all other races. trump celebrating his victory with the nazi salute. and so in presidential politics, that creates an imperative. if you're the guy they are so psyched about, if you don't want that ind could of support, if you don't want to be an inspiration for those kinds of people, you do actually have to overtly denounce them. nobody is saying you created them but you have to denounce them and say what is wrong with them specifically because in the absence of you doing that, they are gaining power because of
their perceived connection and and so if you care about that, if you care about the rise of white supremacists in the country, it's now on you, right? they've picked you and so you have to respond. now that you have this important once we got the tape of the white nationalists shelling hail trump and giving the hitler-style salute, we got a statement from the trump transition team in response. the statement from them tonight reads as follows, "president-elect has continued to denounce racism of any kind and he was elected because he will be a leader for every american. to think otherwise is a complete misrepresentation of the movement of all backgrounds." the president-elect has continued to denounce racism of he has? form has he done that? is it in code, in his tweets? is it phone calls from his home skyscraper that we don't know
about? where? denounce racism that he's doing, getting that message at the white supremacist conferences of the world or under the banquet hall chandeliers. joining me is jonathan greenblat. >> nice to be here. the restaurant says they are donating to the d.c. office. >> that is correct. we have been in touch with the restaurant. to seeing what happened there president-elect? there's a reason that our 26 offices at the adl have seen record number of calls in the last two weeks. we've seen incidents of vandalism and physical assaults against jews and other people. it's reminiscent of the 1930s where you see it normalized and move its way into the united states. >> what is the ethnocenterism?
>> by the way, muslims, lgbt, anyone different from them, basically, is the bad guy. >> when -- we listened to that sound together sitting here. when he says "this children of the sun thing," for us it's conquer or die, it's appropriate because within us, within the blood in our vains lies the potential for greatness. that's the great call we struggle. i saw you recoil at that. >> that's hitler's famous book, my struggle. the thing is, 50 years ago they were wearing white hoods. today they are wearing suits. but the hatred is the same. it's directed at anyone who is different.
a better testament to what they complete contrast to equality and pluralism and tolerance which really makes this country great. these guys for a long time. the first time i covered the guy giving the children of the son speech, somebody punched him out on a ski lift for being a nazi. i've always covered these guys as an interesting part of the fringe and any time normal politics gets close to them, i arcing between the two, so we've covered that. that they used to be? what about the dynamic between very mainstream presidential politics and what these guys are doing? they are celebrating trump. they've doubled their numbers. >> richard spencer, the guy you were talking about, he described the alt-right as a movement, a body without a head and donald trump being a head without a body. merger taking place and we saw
some memes finding their way into the political conversation into the last 12 months. it's been really troubling. are not all republicans and like many republicans are being targeted by these people. many conservatives are being let alone democrats and these guys have no allegiance to party. >> do you want to see something from donald trump in response to this? tonight from the campaign says he's always denounced this kind us, to say this has anything to do with where we're from -- >> look, we'd like to see more. when you're talking about bigotry, you can't take your eye off the ball. whether you're president-elect or an ordinary citizen, we've got to speak out and call this stuff what it is. the rooftop shout that this has no place in the public conversation. which is close to the rooftop. >> true. appreciate you being here.
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at the 1963 grammy awards, he got nominated for album of the year for "i left my heart in san he had really stiff competition. ray charles was nominated for album of the year that year and incredible charlie byrd. it was a tough year for year grammy awards. with all of that competition, the guy who ended up coming out on top was this guy, his name is von meter, he's not an obscure composure. to mind when i say the names von meter because the album for which he won album of the year
in 1963 beating out tony bennett, beating out ray charles, what he won for, album of the year, was an album of comedy sketches about jfk. it was pretty funny. >> next question. >> yes. i would like to ask a question. >> please. >> yes. i should like to ask a question about -- >> would you identify yourself, please. >> i'm your wife. and i should like to ask the following question. >> i noticed that you didn't tonight or last night.
would you tell me why please? >> let me say this about that. number one, in my opinion, the fault does not lie as much with the salad as the dressing being used on the salad. now, let me say that i have nothing against the dairy industry itself. however, i would have preferred it if in the future we stocked coleslaw. first family. the comedian who did the impersonations of john f. kennedy and bobby kennedy and his whole family, him name was vaughn meader. it sold 1.2 million copies in its first week. it ultimately sold millions and
millions of copies and in 1963 won album of the year. the most mean-spirited comedy in the world but it was making fun of the president and making fun of the president's whole family, which is the sort of thing that makes everybody prickly, even if they are the president. this is how john f. kennedy responded in 1962 when asked about it formally at a press conference that was not held at his family's breakfast table. >> back stairs at the white house and cartoon books with clever sayings and photo albums with balloons and the rest and now a smash hit record. can you tell us whether you read and listen to these things and whether they produce annoyment or enjoyment? >> annoyment. no. i listened to mr. meader's
record. teddy than it did me. >> president john f. kennedy asked about this record, making fun of he and his family, asking if it's annoying, yes, i listened to it. that's doing it the right way. and even though it's just about being made fun of, it turns out that's important because now we wildlife rescue workers open up a lot of dawn. tough on grease...yet gentle.
i can't hear you. what, are you in the pool? i guess the other phone's ringing. i don't know. all right. let's take a look at the recent popularity polls, shall we? now, as we can see, the popularity is certainly on a sharp rise here. whereas the -- live from new york, it's saturday night! >> the great chevy chase earning his keep and more in an opening year, opening sketch on "saturday night live." the very first year that "snl" existed when gerald ford became a rich target for that new comedy show.
whoever was president was going to be an incredibly rich target for that show. but for gerald ford, it stuck. that was in the fall of 1975 and it's true, president ford had fallen down in public a couple of times, wouldness in austria he fell down while he was coming down the stairs from air force one. once in michigan he fell up the stairs while he was climbing into air force one but neither of those little spills i think would have ever been burned into
the american psyche about gerald ford had "saturday night live" not turned them into unforgettable comedic cold. and gerald ford may or may not have been mad about that in private. but in public, he was an absolutely good sport about it. he went to the white house correspondents' dinner in 1976 hosted by chevy chase and opened up his remarks by saying, good evening, i'm gerald ford and he pointed and said, and you're not. he congratulated chevy chase on his stand-up routine and looked at him and said, mr. chevy chase, you're a very, very funny suburb. come on, that's good. "saturday night live" has been sort of the premier ground for presidents and lasting caricatures of presidents. some part of the impression of george h.w. bush will always be part church lady, right, because of dana carvey doing george h.w. bush talking about what would be prudent at this juncture and then tina fey created sarah palin. there was a nationwide poll that found that the 86.9% of americans believe that sarah palin actually said, i can see russia from my house. sarah palin never said, i can see russia from my house. tina fey said that and sarah palin on "saturday night live" and it stuck so effectively that sarah palin will never, ever live that down even though she never, ever said that. but if sarah palin was ever mad about that, we've never seen evidence of it. she took it in stride. she's been more than a good sport about it.
>> at a rally in north carolina this week, you said that you like to visit the, quote, pro-america parts of the countries. are their parts of the country that you consider unamerican. >> oh, you know, that was just my lame attempt at a joke but, yes, new york, new jersey, massachusetts, connecticut, delaware, california. but then also, too, you have states like ohio and pennsylvania and florida, which could be anti-american or real pro-american, it's up to them. and now i'd like to entertain everybody with some fancy pageant walk-in. [ applause ] >> i really wish that had been you. >> yeah, i didn't think it was a realistic depiction of the way my press conferences would have gone.
>> it's obviously a heightened reality. >> to answer your question, you know, i don't worry about the polls. polls are just a fancy way of systematically predicting what's going to happen. the only poll i care about is the north pole and that is melting. it's not great. what? the real one? bye. [cheers and applause ] >> thank you. thank you. now, i'm not going to take any of your questions but i do want to take this opportunity to say, live from new york, it's "saturday night"! >> when you're running to be president of the united states, it's bad enough but if you actually become president of the united states, you are instantly, arguably, the most recognizable human on the face
of the earth. and that means that "saturday night live" will make fun of you. dozens, hundreds, if not thousands of people around the world will at least make part of their living being paid to impersonate you. people will tease you, mock you, people will write operas about you, people will write musicals about you, tell jokes about you that mock every member of your family tree. people will caricature you, draw you into comics. sometimes people will say incredibly confrontational things about you in venues you do not expect, for example, the hurricane katrina telethon. >> and in many ways more profoundly is the destruction of the spirit of the people of southern louisiana and mississippi may not be the most tragic loss of all. >> george bush doesn't care about black people.
>> please call -- >> in the past few days, america and people have been stepping up to donate money. >> poor chris tucker. nobody told him in that moment. kanye west is going to look into the camera and say george bush doesn't care about black people, everybody is going to freeze for a few seconds and then you just pick up and do your thing, right? nobody told chris tucker that's what was going to happen there. difficult moment for his fellow telethon hosts. but for george w. bush, whatever you think about how he dealt with hurricane katrina, which he mishandled desperately, that was probably a hard thing to hear, right? and in fact, years later, after he was out of office, george w. bush conceded that that was one of the more upsetting moments in his presidency, having somebody say that particular thing about him bluntly to the american people and in a way he did not feel able to rebut or answer and did not feel like it was true but had to let it stay there. and you want to know what he did
at the time, though? he did nothing in response to that. because when you're a president of the united states or you're trying to be president of the united states, everybody in the world knows who you are. everybody has an opinion about you. everybody will share all of their opinions about you and all sorts of different venues and it mostly, 99% of the time, will not be kind. every president we can think of has dealt with the public condemnation and people making fun of them with restraint. whether or not it actually hurts their feelings, whether or not it actually hurts them politically, wn they get made fun of, when they get criticized and teased, they learn to keep their feelings in check and let it go.
that's what all modern presidents have done. it is not what is happening with our current president-elect. he was featured on "saturday night live" again this week like he will be every week until the end of his life and he could not let it go. he tore himself away from his devotion to planning his presidential transition to once again get online and denounce terrible "saturday night live" as totally one-sided and biased and nothing funny. going after them is terrible for the fact that they dare caricature him. and new york city on friday night, vice president-elect mike pence got sort of a shoutout from the stage at "hamilton." it was not a tirade. it was an earnest plea with him that he and the new administration should stand up for the rights of all americans. mike pence responded to that that he was not offended and enjoyed the show and even the people who booed him, he told his kids who were with him at the show, he said he told his kids that was the sound of freedom. that is how mike pence dealt with it. the president-elect, however, sent three different -- actually, four and then deleted one -- four different angry missives denouncing the "hamilton" cast for their bad behavior insisting that they must apologize for their
harassment of mike pence at this performance. and part of that is hilarious because if there is one true thing about being a person who can't take a joke, that, above all, guarantees that people will continue to make jokes about you. it's a law of human impulse. it's just irresistible. it's also hilarious because trump followers responding to his angry missives about "hamilton," they started boycotting "hamilton" and they contacted the theater in ontario, canada, insisting that they are not going to get any more trump bucks. >> trump supporters. boycotting "hamilton." whatever it is they did. some of it is funny. but the president of the united states, by definition, no matter who's in the job, that is one of the most ridiculed, saturized, if he has to respond to every
single slight, we're about to start something that will become unsustainable. either that circuit that he's got that makes him respond to every perceived insult, either that circuit is going to overload and blow or, what? i mean, how is this going to work? how is he going to last even one day in the job if criticism hurts him this much? watch this space. practice your best trump impression. but watch this space.
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conference today on foreign soil on the last leg of this trip but at that final press conference on foreign soil, nobody much wanted to ask him about peru. what everybody wanted to ask him about was domestic politics back at home and didn't seem to mind that at all. he jumped right in. >> i think nancy pelosi is an outstanding and historic political and we accomplished because of her smarts, her tenacity and legislative skill. i don't normally meddle with party votes and certainly on my way out the door, probably i shouldn't meddle here. but i cannot speak highly enough to nancy pelosi. >> since the election, there is one journalist who has spoken at length with president obama about his plans, about the democratic party, what happens for the democratic party next,
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calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com. who was now the leader of the opposition and of the democratic party, what if there were violent racial incidents, would he step in as a spokesman a. moral voice? at least in general terms post presidency in a new if dimmer light. i think that if hillary clinton had won the election, then i would just turn over the keys, he said. we'd make sure the briefing books were in order and out we'd go. i think now i have some responsibility to at least offer my counsel. oh, really? tell me more. joining us now for the interview is the man who got that quote from president barack obama, david remnick from "the new yorker" who spent several days traveling with the president to gethis pie. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> first of all, let me ask you about that part of your piece
and about that part of the president's thinking. you say right at the outset of this long piece that the president and his team had no plan for trump winning. >> no, they didn't expect it any more than you did or i did. they read the same numbers, read the same polls, the political director -- i must say, i was driving on the plane with obama to a rally in north carolina the friday before the election and he came back and i said, are you feeling really confident, having heard the numbers and he looked at me and he said, nope. and then he explained why and then landed on something more optimistic. he said, i'm cautiously optimistic. but he was not over the moon thinking that this was a done deal. and it's quite known that the obama people were, let's just say, questioning of why hillary's people were not in places like michigan. >> uh-huh. >> wisconsin.
and those turned out to be the death knell. >> it's interesting, because what we had heard from -- well, sort of the most interesting reporting we had had before the election about what president obama was going to do after the election is that he was going to work on this deepening the democratic base and work on the redistricting -- >> look, what he was going to do was sign a book contract for 15 million bucks and rest for six months. these people that do these jobs are powerfully tired and they find a way to rest and then in his leisure he's going to write a book and it will be the best memoir in world history ever. they just don't exist and he's a real writer and those plans go out the window with this because you don't have a democratic party leadership. what are we talking about? you have a 75-year-old powerful populist leader bernie sanders. you've got elizabeth warren who is closing in herself, she's 68. so their chances of going again in four years are slender. and i asked him, so what's the
bench at the democratic party? well, he said, kamala harris. okay. then he said, oh, and there's that guy who's a road scholar and gay mayor of south bend, indiana. name didn't quite come to him. and then that was -- you know, you could see that this is a party that has back with our giant powerhouse, super call franlg listic panel of reporters, ashley parker, soon to be of "the washington post." mateah gold, our bloomberg colleague, and katy tur of the peacock web. katy, you've never covered a transition before, i think is true of everybody on the panel. it's hard to know what's normal and what's not. how is the trump transition different to cover than the trump campaign?
>> well, the trump transition is not that much different. they are still maintaining a relative secrecy around how they do things. they're trying to get a better relationship or at least a better communication path between reporters and the trump team than they were, i think, in the primaries or during the campaign, i can say. but there does seem to be a level of disorganization to it. they didn't know that they had to tell reporters when donald trump was going out for dinner. the definition of a lid seemed to be a little bit beyond them. there still are a lot of questions surrounding how they will govern, as there was during the campaign. and there are questions about donald trump's own promises and vows during the campaign,
specifically when it comes to what he was going to do with his business. he said multiple times on the campaign trail that he would give his business to his children and that would be the end of it,f he were to win. we found out about two weeks into this transition now, he hasn't quite given up the business. a number of reports out that say that he met with business partners in india, while they were here in the united states, talking to them. also, ivanka and jared kushner sat in on donald trump's meeting with the japanese prime minister. now we have a word that he may have discussed something about his business in argentina when the president of argentina called to congratulate him. the president of argentina pushing back on that claim, saying they did not talk about anything other than a brief congratulations for donald trump winning. so with respect to there are still a lot of unanswered questions and very little clarity or access to the president himself, that is pretty status quo, is what we were seeing during the campaign. he has not had a press conference since the middle of the democratic national convention.
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if you read breitbart, the sentiments expressed there, the degree of anti-semitic sentiment, he's responsible for that. it's his publication. it would be as if i were printing this in "the new yorker" during my period then moved into government and said, what are you talking about? everything is normal. he's responsible for this. and donald trump is making him his senior counselor. he's putting him in the same office that david axelrod was in in the obama administration. he strolls from the oval office from here to the camera. this is an extremely important position. we have to take this extremely seriously. it's not everybody's going to
turn over a new leaf the next day and become thomas jefferson or, these are the senior counselor for the president of the united states who by the way, is in any ways a cipher, politically, he's going to be more reliant on the people around him, so they become more important. i think it's extremely alarming, and we shouldn't try to normalize it and pretend it's like any other president. yes, we have had bad presidents before, and i pray to god that's not going to be the case here. but we should have our eyes open. >> david remnick. thank you. and now here's a thing. i love that my shop is part of the morning ritual around here. people rely on that first cup and i wouldn't want to mess with that. but when (my) back pain got bad, i couldn't sleep. i had trouble getting there on time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a sleep aid
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and now here's a thing. >> and we're going to see more marijuana use, and it's not going to be good. we're going to see more other drug use, illegal drug use also, which is damaging. i mean, we need grownups in charge in washington to say marijuana is not the kind of thing that ought to be legalized. it ought not to be minimized, that it's in fact a very real danger. the creating of knowledge that this drug is dangerous. you can not play with it. it's not funny.
it's not something to laugh about, and to send that message that good people don't smoke marijuana. >> good people don't smoke marijuana. and it's not funny, you guys. that's a thing that happened, and that's probably our next attorney general. that does it for us tonight. we will see you tomorrow. now it's time for the last word. ari melber sitting in for lawrence o'donnell. >> donald trump attacking one of the biggest areas of concern surrounding his presidency. all of this after unveiling a carefully scripted video after suggesting that his campaign rhetoric from the campaign trail is hitting a brick wall of reality. >> a tape produced by his own team, the press not invited. >> he will have a press conference in due course.