tv The Place for Politics 2016 MSNBC March 4, 2016 6:00am-2:01pm PST
the... fastest retinol formula. ...to visibly reduce wrinkles. neutrogena®. good morning. i'm steve kornacki. coming to you the morning after that latest republican debate. a rowdy affair in detroit last night. and now less than 24 hours before the polls open in the next slate of republican contests, four of them on the schedule for tomorrow. donald trump at this hour holding a rally in michigan. michigan which will hold its primary next tuesday. trump is fresh off that debate last night which was held in detroit, a debate where marco rubio and ted cruz were relentless in trying to bring him down. >> he has spent a career convincing americans that he's
something that he is not in exchange for their money. now he's trying to do the same in exchange for their country. >> this little guy has lied so much. >> here we go. >> about my record. >> here we go. >> he has lied -- >> if, in fact, you went to manhattan and said, i'm lying to the american people then the voters have a right to know. >> no. no. you're the liar. you are the lying guy up here. you're the one. i've given my answer, lying ted. i've given my answer. >> i have a policy question for you, sir. >> let's see if he answers it. >> don't worry about it, little marco, i will. >> donald, learn how to interrupt, it's not complicated. count to ten, donald. count to ten. >> does anyone who has ever deserved to be attacked that way it's been donald trump. >> he referred to my hands if they're small something else must be small. i guarantee you there's no problem. i guarantee. >> is this the gate you want playing out in the general election? but time may be running out for cruz and for rubio and for anyone who is hoping to stop
trump from claiming that republican nomination. over the next week and a half more than 600 republican delegates are going to be handed out, that's the half the number needed to win the nomination. of course, trump already has several hundred under his belt. the first of those big contests tomorrow, four of them on the slate as we said in kansas, in kentucky, in louisiana and in maine. republicans in all of the states casting their ballots and attending caucuses tomorrow, more than 100 delegates on the line in those four states. this head line this morning says it all. right now trump is leading essentially everywhere. and that includes rubio's home state of florida and john kasich's home state of ohio. both of them voting on march 15th. meanwhile, the republican establishment is now pulling out all the stops trying to derail trump's march to a first ballot nomination and leading the charge now in an extraordinary move yesterday, 2012 nominee mitt romney. who delivered that major speech
yesterday castigating donald trump and following it up this morning with this appearance on "today." >> you can't have someone who's policies are so far from the views of my party become our nominee and someone who has demonstrated over time that he doesn't have the temperament or personal calls to be a great president. >> a lot more of that interview coming up shortly. the anyone but trump effort may have taken a hit from the same people who are trying to run against trump last night. check out this moment toward the end of that debate last night. >> can you definitively say you will support the republican nominee even if that nominee is donald j. trump? senator rubio, yes or no? >> i'll support the republican nominee. >> mr. trump, yes or no. >> i will support donald. >> yes or no, you will support donald trump if he is the nominee? >> yes, because i gave me word that i would. >> yeah, but -- and i kind of think that before it's all said and done i will be the nominee.
>> can you definitively say tonight that you will definitely support the republican nominee for president even if it's not you? >> even if it's not me? yes, i will. >> and we have got it all covered for you this morning. jacob rascon is in michigan at a donald trump rally scheduled to start any minute now. hallie jackson and gabe gutierrez are both in detroit. jacob, we will start with you in warren, michigan. michigan a key state voting next tuesday, march 8th. so donald trump will be there today. what is the mood around his campaign after that debate last night? he certainly took his share of hits. >> reporter: the big question, steve, as always is what will the voter do? what does the voter think about what happened? it will come as no surprise to you or really anyone that the people who come to his rallies who i have been talking to today if anything their resolve is strengthened. they're watching their candidate, the outsider, being ganged up on. this makes them excited, it
confirms for them that they voted for the right person or that they're going to vote for the right person. let's talk about the donald trump who showed up to the debate last night. first of all, somebody who wasn't overly presidential, his words, as he predicted if he was going to get hit, but then you also saw somebody talking about change, been softening his his positions about being flexible, he talked about softening his stance on highly schooled workers. the moderators challenged him on entitlement reform, donald trump claimed about $300 billion in waste, fraud and abuse, they put up full screen graphics proving him differently but after the debate he said he thought it was going to be tougher. take a listen. >> i did not think it was as rough as it was going to be. i thought it was going to be a lot rougher, actually. >> do you think these debates are worthwhile? >> no, not anymore, it's getting boring. we're number 11 or something.
i think it's ridiculous now, but it's part of the -- it's part of the game, part of what you have to do, i guess. i'm very happy at the way it came out but i did think it would be more evil, i did think it was going to be more vicious. >> reporter: let's remind ourselves about the donald trump voter from super tuesday exit polls we know that many of them decided weeks before the actual primary that they stuck with what they decided and that they actually pulled themselves out of bed and went to vote. interesting to see if those voters have already decided in these next several states they're going to get themselves up just like super tuesday and go out and vote for donald trump in record numbers. steve. >> all right. jacob rascon in warren, michigan, where we are awaiting a donald trump rally any minute now. thanks for that. meanwhile, elsewhere in michigan hallie jackson still on location in let right, that was the site of last night's debate and she joins me with more. what more can you tell us after last night? >> reporter: good morning from detroit. that showdown in mo town
underscoring how split the republican party is. donald trump facing all the fire last night as it debate went from the serious to the silly to a little bit surreal with some of those comments about donald trump's small hands raising some eyebrows today. mitt romney this morning on the "today" show weighed in, you saw him yesterday come out in this stop trump movement, emphasizing that he doesn't believe donald trump should be the standard bearer for the republican party. romney saying that he would not step in, he would not come in if there was a contested convention but he seemed to couch it a bit leaving the door possibly cracked saying he couldn't foresee any circumstances in which he might step in if there were a contested convention. marco rubio, john kasich, ted cruz even after the he had of a very contentious night still all said they would support whomever the republican nominee is. rubio explaining this morning on the "today" show that his willingness to support trump if he were to be the nominee reflects just how bad he
believes hillary clinton would be as president. steve. >> all right. hallie jackson in detroit. thanks for that. now we turn to gabe gutierrez. he is also in detroit, he has been covering the rubio campaign. gabe, rubio made a little bit of news at the end of that debate despite all the awful things he has been saying about donald trump when the question was put to him he said he'd still vote for donald trump. >> reporter: yeah, that's exactly right, steve. he also, you know, mentioned it last night as hallie mentioned in that debate he along with the other republican candidates said that they would support whichever republican nominee it was, but the rubio campaign now is looking ahead to florida. this is a must win state for them. rubio's home state of florida and as donald trump and ted cruz are quick to point out that quinnipiac poll has him still down by double digits but the rubio campaign is discounting that, they think they can get more momentum in florida, they think that especially with all the money they're putting in down there, the time that they will over the next several days that they feel that they can move the needle.
now, today they have several stops in kansas. they feel they can do well in kansas because it's a closed caucus and they feel that because it's a closed caucus it won't attract as many independent and outside volunteer voters that typically go for donald trump won't be allowed to participate there. now, here marco rubio was on the "today" show this morning and he talked about exactly why he would support the republican nominee even if it was donald trump. take a listen to that. >> we as republicans feel that hillary clinton would be a disaster to the country. that's how bad she is. i would look at that as a reflection of how bad she is not how good donald trump s i don't want us to have a nominee that people have to settle for or make excuses for why they voted. that's what we're trying to avoid here and the only way to do it is to unify around a campaign like mine because i can bring this party together. >> reporter: in that interview he also said that he did not regret some of the insults that he has hurled at donald trump over the last several days. you will recall, steve, last
weekend there was some school yard humor used where he talked about donald trump's small hands, what he called the small hands, and of course that gave the opening for donald trump to say what he said last night. rubio said he doesn't regret that, but it's clear from his tone, from what he has said over the last couple days on the trail his campaign is very eager to get away from that school yard humor. they have been targeting donald trump over trump university and his finances and he really pushed that last night. you could tell that he really was trying to rattle donald trump, interrupting him even more so than he typically does. really trying to step on any momentum that donald trump has and so the key for him will be that march 15th primary in florida. can he do enough to really come back and stop donald trump in florida even though he's pretty far ahead right now in the polls. steve. >> all right. gabe gutierrez in detroit. thanks for that. joining us now is a national political reporter for the washington post, also an msnbc political analyst, robert costa, he has been reporting on this escalating war between the republican establishment and
donald trump. we've been following that story for months now, it keeps reaching new levels. robert, good morning to you. so let me ask you about the end of that debate, we just heard a little bit from gabe about this. i thought it was striking moment, you have rubio and cruz for that matter both of them up there basically saying donald trump he is awful, he is terrible, a threat to the republic and then they're asked but if he's the nominee would you vote for him and they both said yes. does that -- does that take the teeth out of their attack a little bit? >> a little bit, but part of it's political strategy. these campaigns know that trump may not get the necessary delegates going into cleveland and they want to be in a position to be a party unifier in cleveland if this does go to a second ballot. we are looking at a potentially historic convention. it's also an example of how these campaigns as much as they go after trump they want to be in the arena, especially if trump is the nominee not being on the outside being seen as someone who splits the party apart. >> that scenario to get to the second ballot, to deny trump
1,237 the delegates he would need for the first delegate nomination. i've been playing around with the numbers. the absolutely essential thing that has to happen in the near term is not only does rubio have to come from behind and win florida, his home state, but kasich would have to pull out ohio, too, both of those seem like they are more unlikely than likely at this point. >> the kasich is i think the more interesting variable because rubio has a lot of ground to catch up to in florida, he has been down by 15, 20 points in the polls for weeks, but kasich coming after that debate he separated himself from the pack, had a pragmatic message. if he does well in michigan on tuesday it's going to be a sign of what could happen in ohio and kasich could have a case as the consensus establishment candidate if he's able to win his home state and rubio is not. >> we all took note about a week ago, in fact, at that debate a week ago in the days -- the days after it marco rubio seemed to be basically mimicking donald trump on the campaign trail,
throwing insults at him, trying to bait him with sort of low brow insults. seemed to be a different marco rubio there. he was certainly aggressive last night, but has he backed off that strategy? is there is reason for that? >> rubio wants to engage his campaign feels like they are not getting any headlines unless they try to engage trump and have some lines against him that get some attention, but it's a tricky path for rubio. i have spent the last day over at the capital behind me talking to rubio's colleagues and they say he is serious, he has experience on the senate foreign relations committee. that's what we want to see from rubio, but they privately express some concerns to me they wonder if he has gonna little too far in these attacks against trump and if they're really working. when it comes to florida a line against trump doesn't guarantee you much. >> let me ask you about some of the reaction to this debate last night coming from republicans. i think your colleague at the washington post, james heilemann was compiling a list of republican consultants, republican voices in the media who were reacting with dis ma i
to what they saw on the stage last night saying the biggest winner is hillary clinton, this makes the party look terrible, everything, you know, we've been trying to do for the last four years to win back the white house is blown up by what happened last night. i take their point but let me ask you this we're also seeing in these republican primaries historic turnout, turnout they've never seen before. does that turnout undercut the idea that something like what we saw last night is actually hurting the republican party? >> turnout on the conservative side is seen as a major thing, something that's very positive, but the divide in washington right now is not ideological, it's not between the conservatives and the mod rats, it's between the political class and the republican party, the donors, those established operatives that have been in washington for years running campaigns and the more populous grass roots base of the republican party that's nonideological and turning to trump. those who are in power part of the professional republican class they see their power potentially slipping away if trump is the nominee. he has very little connection to washington, d.c. and he is not likely to employ most of these people and give them a network
should he be president. there's definitely a scare factor there. when you go out to the states and are on the campaign trail there's excitement in the state parties that trump seems to be turning people out who have never voted republican. >> finally this issue of mitt romney, he gave this interview on the "today" show earlier this morning, we will play it in full in just a few minutes for everyone, but in that interview he was asked about the scenario where he goes to that open convention you're talking about that we're all saying might actually happen this year, that he goes there and he emerges as the nominee. he was very dismissive of it, he wouldn't entirely rule it out. is that something as your sense something that is on mitt romney's mind at all? >> i wouldn't like to speak for mitt romney's mind but i know it's on the mind of mitt romney's friends, his associates, his past donors and long time friends. they think romney could be on the second ballot in cleveland and instead of trying to get on a ballot in california or other plate primary state the thought process within romney's orbit, not within romney's mind, but his friends say, look, if this
is really contested romney will be putting himself out there for the next few months, offering himself as and a alternative, someone who has a coherent argument against trump and that may put him in a position to be someone everyone can come around. it would be historic turn of events. >> one final question, too. if trump does emerge from this as the nominee, do you think we are actually going to see a concerted effort by the republicans who are now saying they will never support donald trump to put some kind of third party effort together this year? >> i think it's very possible. i think there are many in the establishment who are ready to warm to trump, to rally behind him, if he's the nominee we will be with him, with the party, but trump will have a major burden because a lot of people in the reap professional class, conservative movement are ready to walk away from him the minute he secures the nomination and that could split the party apart for the rest of the jeer into an amazing of discussion to be having.
robert costa with the pennsylvania post. thank you. appreciate it. still to come this hour we are waiting for that donald trump rally, it's scheduled to get under way any minute now in warren, michigan. a key battle ground in in republican race. we will have that for you live when it starts. plus, as i have been telling you, mitt romney, he is suggesting or some at least around him are suggesting that he could ride in on a white horse to save the republican party. more of his interview with the "today" show from this morning, we will have that as well. romney continuing his public push to derail donald trump. but first trump hitting back at romney during last night's debate. >> he was a failed candidate. he should have beaten president obama very easy. he failed miserably and it was an embarrassment to everybody, including the republican party. it looked like he went away on a vacation the last month. so i don't take that and i guess obviously he wants to be relevant, he wants to be back in the game. ♪ one day a rider made a decision.
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live pictures here in warren, michigan. this is the mccomb community college expo center. that crowd is awaiting donald trump fresh off that contentious republican debate last night. mccomb county a legendary political battle ground, that was the heart of what they used to call the reagan democrats right outside detroit. a little friendlier turf for democrats like bill clinton and barack obama in recent years but the reagan democrats got their start in mccomb and donald trump will be speaking there any minute now. we will take you there live when it comes in. mitt romney a michigan native striking back this morning watching a new round of attacks against donald trump. this a day after romney delivered a blistering assault on the republican front runner
in utah. today romney appearing on the "today" show to continue his fierce opposition to trump. here is a exclusive interview with matt lauer. >> depending who you listen to this morning, governor, you are either a traitor who proves that the establishment of the republican party is so afraid that they can't control donald trump that they will do anything to stop him, or you are a hero who has finally put this race into perspective. for the people long you are a hero they're asking a question and that is why did you wait so long? tell me about the timing. >> well, i've wanted to be involved in the campaign, if you will, as a bit of a referee and when there were some foul balls be able to call them and see if i can't keep people, if you will, guided on the path to becoming our next president, but the time came when donald trump's outrage had reached such a level that i simply had to speak out. i mean, you get to the point where you say, your grandkids are going to say to you, papa, what did you do to stop donald trump and i had to finally get out and speech. >> experts are calling this an
unprecedented event in modern political history in this country, a former nominee of a party in a scathing take down of the favorite to become the next nominee, but this isn't a typical front runner, this is a guy who has survived moments in this campaign that would have derailed anybody else. do you think your speech will matter? >> i don't know if it will or not but i knew i couldn't stand silent anymore. you can't have someone who's policies are so far from the views of our party become our nominee and someone who has demonstrated over time that he doesn't have the temperament or personal qualities to be a great president. >> you said he's dangerous for the country, dangerous for working americans, you attacked him on his economic policies, his foreign policy, his personality what you call his third grade antics, his business acumen. here is a quote, but, wait, you say isn't he a huge business success that knows what he's talk being? no, he isn't. no, he doesn't. his bankruptcies have brushed small businesses and the men and
women who worked for them. he inherited his business he didn't create it. let me take you back four years, all right, and listen to this. >> donald trump has shown an extraordinary ability to understand how our economy works, to create jobs for the american people. i spent my life in the private sector not quite as successful as this guy, but successful nonetheless. >> that was four years ago, same two guys, donald trump and mitt romney. >> oh, he is a successful guy, he has made a lot of money but he hasn't been uniformly successful and far from a business genius. trump university, trump steaks, trump mortgage, trump vitamin company one after the other failure after failure. just because he has made a lot of money, one, you don't measure your life by the amount of money you have made, it doesn't mean that thinks economic policies are right for america. >> the people who are angry at you this morning say, wait a second, he willingly welcomed the endorsement of donald trump
four years ago even though he was knee deep in the birther movement and made incendiary comments. >> first of all, i was seeking his endorsement now he's seeking mine. a lot of people endorsed me i wouldn't endorse for president. secondly a lot has happened in the last year. had i heard him say the things i heard him say now i wouldn't have welcomed his endorsement. when he calls george w. bush a liar, when he says that putin is a strong and powerful leader, popular with his people. when he mocks a reporter because of his disability, when he attacks women based on their looks or their menstrual cycle you basically have a guy that is out of the kind of realm -- >> but beg him for his endorsement four years ago. >> i was welcoming his endorsement, i was happy to have t i was looking for as many endorsements as i could possibly have, but when it comes to who i would support for president there are a lot of folks who endorse me i would not want to see as president. >> you laid out a plan in your speech you said if the other candidates can find common
ground i believe we can nominate a person who can win the general election and represent the values and policies of conservatism. you said, given the current delegate selection process this means that i would vote for marco rubio in florida, for john kasich in ohio and for ted cruz or whichever one of the other two contenders has the best chance of beating mr. trump in a given state. you are calling for nothing less than a suppress donald trump movement that will lead to cleveland and a contested convention. >> well, there's no question i'm going to do everything within the normal political bounds to make sure that we don't nominate donald trump. i think he would be terribly unfit for office, i don't think he has the temperament to be president so i want to see one of the other three become the nominee. by the way, after march 15th i think you will see it narrowed down to one or two contenders opposing donald trump and i intend to support one of them. >> leading up to march 15th do you want marco rubio and ted cruz to back off and let john kasich win ohio, do you want john kasich and ted cruz to back
off and let marco rubio win florida? and if we get to cleveland and a contested convention, how are these millions of voters, some of whom have come to the pro he is ses and party for the first time because of donald trump, how are they going to feel to have put donald trump in the lead and watch the establishment wing of the party pull the rug out from under them. >> there are a lot of people establishment or not who agree with me that donald trump should not be president of the united states and don't want to see him become the republican nominee. right now it's about 65% of republicans who would like someone else. so that's the way politics works, you get behind the people you support, you had fight for them and the person who wins through the process is the one who becomes your nominee. >> you didn't endorse anybody yesterday, that's also angered a lot of people. they say it can't just be about anybody but trump. why didn't you endorse? >> there are three people on the stage who all endorsed me and are friends, actually four including donald trump. >> is he a friend of yours? >> you know, we get a lot. i doubt we will spend a lot of
time together now. but we are going to see on march 15th i think a narrowing of the field and at that point i wouldn't be surprised if i endorse one of those guys. >> not endorsing someone now, governor, have you left the door open just wide enough for you to ride through it on a white horse? do you want to be considered as an alternative to save this party if it gets down to a contested convention in july? >> no. no. the people who can save this party are ted cruz, marco rubio or john kasich. we're going to get a sense within a few days of who that person might be, but i'm going to be supporting that person and doing everything i can to make sure they become the nominee of the party. >> i'm going to be a little stubborn on this. under any circumstances, governor, if large numbers of people in the establishment wing of the republican party come to you and say, mitt, you are the guy who can save the day, under any circumstances would you be a part of this presidential race as a candidate? >> there are no circumstances irk foresee where that would
possibly be. >> i can foresee. >> no reasonable scenario i can imagine. >> just slam the door on it. close the door. you will not run for president. >> i'm not running for president and i won't run for president. but let me tell you this, the term establishment is a real mistake. there are many stream republicans who believe in conservative values. there are people whether established or not people that have been around the political world have watched what's going on. what's happening are donald trump is recognizing people are angry as they should be, but he's channeling that anger in a way that will not help working families, there are other republicans who believe in the principles that will actually lift people out of the poverty and create good jobs for the american people. >> last question, the tone of this race, these candidates have called each other losers, liars, sweaters, chokers, they have made fun of each other's appearance, the size of their ears, the size of their hands, you read between the lines. is there one person running on the republican side in your opinion who has been the biggest adult and the most presidential?
>> well, it's very clear to point to the person who has been the smallest adult and that's donald trump. he has taken -- >> how about the other -- >> i will go both ways. personal physical an would you tell us and made fun of people on that basis throughout the campaign. some of the candidates are saying, do you know what, i have to return fire, you can't sit here -- last night he kept pointing at marco rubio and saying little marco. this is a new low in presidential politics and simply wrong. i think john kasich is saying, hey, look, i'm not going to do that, but recognize that if you want to become the nominee you've got to prosecute the opposition as well as lift yourself. >> would you vote for hillary clinton or sit out voting as opposed to voting for donald trump? >> well, i wouldn't vote for donald trump and i wouldn't vote for hillary clinton. i intend to vote for our nominee, i expect that nominee to be a real conservative, a real republican. >> all right. that's mitt romney on the "today" show this morning. continuing his attack on donald trump, trying to deny trump the nomination. you see donald trump walking to
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catcher. so -- so last night he had a very, very bad night according to the various polls, he lost the debate badly and -- but he is at 16 so he is going to go down. so it's trump at 49 -- [ applause ] >> -- little marco rubio at 16, cruz, lying ted cruz, lying ted -- you know, it's amazing no matter what you say with ted he will change it, he will do whatever he has to do, you call up, oh, i didn't know i did that. so it's ted -- remember what he did to dr. carson, to ben carson. he said, oh, no, oh, no, no, he has quit the race, he is out of the race, vote for me. vote for me. thousands of people. so carson was a good guy. cruz is at 15 and kasich is only at 6.
i don't know. it sounds low. you know, jeff sessions just -- he is really one of the greats -- one of the greats in terms of law and order, in terms of border, in terms of judicial, but jeff sessions just came on and actually he is a very good friend of cruz. cruz could not believe that it happened, but senator jeff sessions highly respected, great guy, and another one in terms of the border, sheriff joe, right? sheriff joe. so we're doing really well and it's been amazing and we're going to talk about today trade, we're going to talk about bonders, we're going to have a lot of fun even though it's -- it's sort of interesting -- we're going to talk about cars. [ applause ] >> we're going to talk about cars. >> build the wall. build the wall. build the wall. build the wall. build the wall. >> don't worry, folks, we're going to be building the wall. we're going to build the wall.
>> are you ready? [ cheers and applause ] >> and who is going to pay for the wall? >> mexico. >> who? >> mexico. >> you better believe it. did you see where the former president of mexico, vincente fox, he said we will not pay for that "f" wall. now, could you imagine if i said it? and he said it. he threw out the "f" bomb. i'm just saying to myself, if i said it i probably wouldn't be here today, right? this guy used the "f" bomb in a major interview with cnn or somebody and i want to tell you that was shocking and a disgrace and i think he should apologize to the people of mexico and to the people of the united states.
we are calling on him to apologize. [ applause ] >> he said he will not pay for the wall. so we've come a long way because he actually said i will not -- it's interesting when he says i will not. right? he doesn't say mexico will not. he says i. so he thinks a lot of himself. but he said i will not meaning mexico will not pay for the "f" wall and i thought it was a horrible thing. what's interesting is that at least now he knows the wall is going up. he didn't say we are not going to allow a wall. in other words, we've come a long way. he now said he is not going to pay for the wall. before he used to say we will not allow a wall. now he says we won't pay for the wall. he will pay for the wall, folks, okay? he will pay for the wall.
[ applause ] >> and you know what happened when the press called up and they told me about it and they said, well, do you have a response? i said the wall just got ten feet higher. you know that. ten feet higher. we don't play games. we're not playing games. we're not playing games. we are not going to play games. there's no, no, no games with us. you know, the thing that bothered me about ex-president fox is the arrogance, the way -- you know, it wasn't so much the wall, it wasn't that we are not going to pay and they are not going to pay for the wall, what he said, it was he couldn't believe that the united states would actually be asking them for something. the arrogance. he couldn't believe. how dare you ask us. the hatred and the arrogance of this guy. because they're used to getting their way 100%. they're not going to get their way anymore, folks. they're not getting their way. and speaking of that i'm not going to go through the whole thing with the escalator ride
you have all heard it i'm going to go right to the car business. do you mind? because this is car -- this is car country, rapidly becoming not car country but we're going to keep it car country. okay? so about a year and a half ago i heard that ford -- anybody work for ford here? >> good company, smart company, but i heard that ford is going to build a plant in mexico, $2.5 billion. that's -- and i have to tell you, you know, for a one-story building that's got to be about the most expensive plant i have ever heard of. is that a correct statement? you guys are in the car business. so they're going to build it in mexico. they're going to make cars, trucks and parts and they're going to sell them all over but they're going to sell a lot of them right into the united states. now, listen to this. listen to this. don't worry, i'm with you folks. i'm with you. by the way, this is the reason i'm leading by a lot in michigan because everyone knows all i talk about is cars.
i have friends in other industries they say all you talk about is cars, will you start talking about us. i said, no, i like cars. i like cars. but i do. i deaf vote a lot of time because mexico is becoming the car capital of the world whether you like it or not. it's true. and we're going to turn that around. you know, in tennessee a great state that i won, by the way, by a tremendous -- you know, when i won of course i've won most of them in all fairness, but when i win them i feel like a warm spot. now, march 8th, tuesday, you have to do me one favor. i'm self-funding my campaign. i'm self-funding. you have to get out and vote. [ applause ] >> because i promise you will be very happy. oh, you will be happy with me. you more than most.
michigan -- i tell you what, michigan more than most because what's happened to you people is disgraceful and michigan more than most. you've got to get out. i'm going to say it again later, but march 8th, tuesday, tuesday, tuesday, no matter what's happening, no matter what you're doing, if you get laid off on tuesday, i still want you voting. i will get you a new job, don't worry about it. in a couple of years you will go home to your wife or you will go home to your hospital and you will say, darling, i have so many job opportunities i'm going absolutely crazy, i don't know what's happening, as opposed to now. now you get laid off you don't know what's happening. so we're going to take care of it. but tuesday you have to go out. you know, so i'm self-funding my campaign, i'm putting up my own money. so i'm not controlled by the union, i'm not controlled by anything. i'm controlled only -- and do you know what, you have a representative union, i have to say this, you have a
representative union. who here is in a union? okay. do you like your unions? lou like them? uh-oh. uh-oh. i said do you like your union -- i don't know about that. well, anyway, but you do love your industry, right? the industry. all right. so i don't want your money, but i do want your vote. so on tuesday you go and vote, okay? and we're going to get this thing -- we're going to get this thing going. so tennessee was going to get a massive car plant and it was going to be -- they were going to manufacture a tremendous plant. look, we want it within the united states, okay? i mean, we want it in michigan, but we want it within the united states as our second choice in this room, all right? we don't want it going to mexico, we don't want them going to lots of other places. we want to stop the cars from japan. if japan wants to send -- you know, i was in los angeles, folks. i have never seen more cars pour
in. i have never seen larger ships. these ships are massive and they pull up and these cars just roll right off the ship and i've never seen anything like it in my life. you know, we've got nascar the other day, nascar endorsed us. you have to say -- >> all right. that's donald trump in macomb county michigan, michigan with a critical primary coming up next tuesday, trump in his first appearance after that debate last night, but before michigan votes this coming tuesday there is a slate of four republican contests set for tomorrow, one of them is in the state of kansas, kansas will be holding its republican caucuses tomorrow in an interesting last minute development marco rubio has changed his schedule on this final day before the kansas caucuses to make an all out effort to win that state. so a big contest shaping up in the sun flower state tomorrow. here to tell us what we can expect is mr. ks politics, dave
helling. let me ask you about this. we have not much polling out of kansas, i think we have one we can put it up on the screen, this came out i guess about a week ago or within the next week, trump at 26, cruz at 14, rubio at 13. that leaves an awful lot of undecided voters, caucuses very unpredictable. set the scene for us in kansas. >> well, i wouldn't take a lot of stock in that poll. first, steve, because it was not a poll of likely caucus goers, it was just a poll of all republicans. as you know a kuk can you say goers are a unique breed, they have to be motivated, they have to be organized and know where to go. the other thing to keep in mind is donald trump for all his national publicity has been virtually invisible in the state of kansas. he hasn't campaigned here at all, his office doesn't take calls, talk to the press. so i do think that ted cruz who was here wednesday and we are now told will be here on caucus
day and then marco rubio as you just mentioned both think they can be competitive here and it's an important contest in part because the head line sunday will be who won in kansas, who won in maine, who won in kentucky and i think both rubio and cruz think they can sneak in here, maybe come out the victor, maybe come out with most of the delegates, we will have to see what happens. >> give us a sense of the lay of the land because when i look at kansas i'm thinking you've got johnson county, this is the suburbs right outside of kansas city and we have seen rubio performing so well with college educated suburban iets so i'm thinking that's rubio and rural kansas the big part of the state is cruz. >> correct. remember, kansas shares its southern border with oklahoma and cruz won oklahoma and the southern part of the kansas is cruz territory as is the first district, the big first, colorado, nebraska, that's where tim hules camp is the
congressman he has endorsed cruz so he will be strong there. johnson county you're right about rubio's chances but there is a contention of the johnson county republican vote that is very socially conservative, anti-abortion, focused on the race and they tend to be the most motivated republicans in the entire state of kansas, that's also good news for cruz. i think senator cruz will do a bit better than senator rubio and it's possible that donald trump could finish in third place in kansas. >> that's interesting. what about the political leadership there? we know governor brownbeck is on board with rubio, pat roberts i think is on board with him. what are the other key endorsements out there? >> those are the two important ones among the republican leadership. pat robertson, sam brownback also with rubio. but governor brownback is extraordinarily unpopular in kansas. we have had a tax cut problem, a budget problem. the joke yesterday was whether
or not governor brownback would join marco rubio at these appearances today because he is so unpopular. i'm not sure that helps him get much over the line. on the other hand, senator roberts, governor brownback do have the mechanisms of politics down pretty pat and they may be able to motivate people to get to the caucuses and help rubio but the endorsements themselves probably don't make that much of a difference. >> there are democratic caucuses taking place as well, hillary clinton versus bernie sanders. so we saw bernie sanders this week win in oklahoma, next door, what are his prospects in kansas? >> he was here last night, i had a chance to talk with him, they're very enthusiastic about kansas. he was in lawrence, which is by far the most liberal part of the state of kansas. he was here in kansas city last week. big crowds, 5,000 last night. so i think he can -- he's counting on that enthusiasm at the caucuses to get him over the top, but senator -- or secretary clinton is organized in this state, she's been here before, she lost to barack obama, steve,
as you know, in 2008 so she knows what she has to do to succeed in the success out here. so my guess it's going to be very close. it might be like nevada, 2 or 3 points either way, again, money in the middle of the table i might go with senator sanders only because the enthusiasm here is so high. and remember maine caucuses that day so if you can get a kansas caucus for minnesobernie sander the maine caucus for bernie sanders, i think that's their play out here. >> dave helling with the kansas city star. all eyes will be on kansas tomorrow. thanks for the time. >> you bet. john kasich has a new and maybe somewhat surprising ally in the duo will be making their first appearance together this weekend. former california governor maybe better known as the terminator arnold schwartz nationer is endorsing john kasich will join him second in what the campaign is calling a battle ground ohio campaign kickoff rally in
columbus. schwartz nationer was chosen to replace donald trump as the new host of the nbc show the apprentice and trump wasted no time talking about it yesterday at a rally in portland maine. >> who would be better, arnold or trump? really? arnold? trump? well, we're going to find out if arnold is quick because if he is not quick he is not going to look good. when you are armarosa and all the other ones coming at you you will find out. i hope he does well. >> now, in addition to kansas and maine and kentucky tomorrow both republican and democratic voters are heading to the polls in louisiana. big primary there tomorrow. but more than a decade after hurricane katrina the landscape of that state's largest city has dramatically changed. thousands still displaced after the storm. up next cal perry joins me lo i have from new orleans with more
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four contests on the boards tomorrow, and the biggest one will be in louisiana. the republican primary there tomorrow with 46 delegates at stake. that's the most of any of those four voting tomorrow. the latest polls show that donald trump is leading comfortably in that state. but that is not stopping ted cruz from trying to make a late push. both trump and cruz will be holding campaign events in the state later this evening. meanwhile, on the democratic side, there will be 51 delegates up for grabs in louisiana tomorrow. but getting residents there to vote could prove a challenge. and that has to do with the demographic landscape in louisiana and how it is changing. that is extreme ly evident in te city of new orleans with the impact of katrina more than a decade later, still being felt after that monster storm ravaged the area.
cal perry joins me live from new orleans with a closer look at how that is affecting the 2016 race. that is amazing. a storm that happened in september of 2005 affecting a presidential race in march of 2016. >> it's unbelievable. the lack of progress is what's unbelievable. this is the lower ninth ward. this was made famous by not just the national media but the international media. so many of our viewers will be used to seeing the flooding that was here. it's still empty lots and an empty lot next to a lot that has a house that's either half built or half destroyed. if you take a look, the top of that tree line, that's pretty much the water line. that's the levee. gives you an idea how of how low we are. big vote tomorrow. they want to get people displaced by the storm back to vote, but it'spriving to be a real problem because take a look, there's nothing here. >> there's no laundry room, no barber shop, no -- >> nothing back here. you have a bunch of people, but
everything is sporadic. you may have a house on one block, three or four with nothing but katrina. cutrun katrina is still here. they have katrina damage here. you may see an empty lot with some steps but no house. there's nothing back here. if i wouldn't have done this here, we still wouldn't have this here today. >> is everyone back? >> no. no. nowhere near back because like i said, the people that want to come back home, they're not coming back because there's no stores and the stores dont want to come back because there's no people. >> 3,000 people that are not here. 3,000 families. if you understand the generation of families, my mother, me, my kids. we have three generation, three voting generations that are not here. 3,000 multiplies to 9,000. it makes a big difference because we all have families, we all have an issue with what's going on. we have to be here to vote. and those families are not here. so they're not here to vote. >> i'm sure on the list of priorities it's probably not very high getting back here to
vote. >> it all depends on who you are. if you're a democrat trying to make sure that a fool doesn't get in office like donald trump, then it is a priority to come back to vote. so it really becomes a necessary thing that people come back and vote. >> ten years after katrina, 7,000 to 9,000 white residents of new orleans haven't compared. compare that to 100,000 african-american residents. >> amazing statistic. cal perry, thanks. >> that's going to do it for me this hour on msnbc. jose diaz-balart is up next live from the campus of florida international university in miami. home of the golden panthers. my son and i used to watch the red carpet shows on tv
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you live from florida international university in south florida. we have a lot of students out this morning. it's midterms so they're studying. they're also enjoying some of this lovely south florida weather. you know what. they're talking politics. this is a huge campus. about 54,000 students. the most -- one of the most diverse student bodies in the country. and as they are everywhere else in the country, the talk this morning is of politics. and today, the republicans are holding ten different events. not counting the cpac conference in maryland, the first event of the day. there you see it, donald trump's rally in warren, michigan. this follows the contentious debate last night in detroit where the insults were fast and furious and covered everything from politics to personality to -- to -- well, everything. >> people on the stage, he performs the worst against hillary clinton. >> wrong. i beat hillary clinton.
i beat hillary clinton in many polls. i beat hillary clinton in many polls. >> donald trump has written checks to hillary clinton not once, not twice, not three times, ten times. >> as we have seen throughout the campaign, donald has not shown a seriousness about the issue of foreign policy. >> he doesn't show up on the u.s. senate. he scammed the people. he defrauded the people of florida. >> people say everywhere i go, you seem to be the adult thon stage. >> i don't think the people of america are interested in a bunch of bickering school children. they're interested in solutions, not slogans. >> we're listening to the old talk no action politician. >> he's trying to con people into giving him their vote. >> to the people of florida can't stand him. he couldn't get elected d dogcatch dogcatcher. >> i know it's hard not to interrupt. breathe, breathe, breathe. you can do it. breathe. i know its lard. i know it's hard. >> when they're dug with the yoga, can i answer the question? >> you cannot.
>> was it hot yoga they were talking about? i never got an answer to that. as we mentioned, donald trump is holding a rally in michigan this morning. and that rally, of course, thousands of people there. he's going to be heading to new orleans later today. ted cruz, maernl, in three states today, starting in maine, making his way to louisiana. marco rubio canceled events in kentucky and louisiana. he's staying in kansas. john kasich is in michigan. jacob rascon is at the trump rally. gabe gutierrez still in detroit. it seems like no matter what his opponents say, whether it's hot yoga, size of your hands or anything else, nothing affects this guy. >> jose, it will come as no surprise to you or really anybody that the majority of his voters at his rallies are encouraged by the fact that everybody seems to be ganging up on donald trump. that's what attracted many people to him in the first place. though i will say, even here at this michigan rally, there are
also many who say that they don't agree with the petty insults they call them, to the other candidates in the way he hits back, and some of them even mention it looks like high school or middle school. they're willing to give him a pass because overall, their sense of the candidate is this is somebody from outside of washington who is going to make a real difference. here at michigan, at this rally, he's giving a kind of different speech. now, he's back on romney and isis and other things, but he started with a localized speech directly related to the auto industry, of course, here in michigan where that's a big deal. asked the audience a lot of questions about their involvement in the auto industry and then he moved on to romney. here's something he said just minutes ago. >> the reason he doesn't like me is that i said you shouldn't run because you're a choke artist. you ran -- you ran against -- you ran against obama. four years ago. it was a race that should have been an easy win. he made a fool of himself in the
second and third debate. he's an elitist. see, to me, i don't consider him elite, but hey, i don't consider him elite because i'm much richer than he is. i have a store that's worth more money than him. very interesting. i jokingly said that because i don't like romney. i don't like him. he thinks he's hot stuff. i hate people that think they're hot stuff when they're nothing. >> jose, pay attention to the type of the donald trump that showed up to the debate. he was not overly presidential, as he predicted, because of the people attacking him. also, you saw him talk about flexibility, change, moving. even on one of his immigration policies, so watch for that going forward. as we get closer to the general election, jose. >> jacob rascon, thank you very much. i'm joined now by nbc's gabe gutierrez who is in detroit this morning after last night's gop debate. gabe, good morning. >> hey, jose. good morning.
so warmer down there in fiu than here in detroit, i'll tell you that. >> always is. >> yes. but anyway, the rubio campaign is -- they say they landed some blows on donald trump last night, even though he is struggling in the polls in florida, this is a big test for the marco rubio campaign on march 15th. as you mentioned, they canceled a few events tonight in kentucky and louisiana to focus on kansas of all places. they have caucuses there tomorrow in kansas. they feel they can do well there because it is a closed caucus. that means a more conservative electorate and doesn't necessarily have the independent voters, the outside voters that would benefit donald trump. and caucuses are notoriously unpredictable. the rubio campaign also feels it can do well going forward in other places like idaho and puerto rico. florida will be the key on march 15th. this morning on the "today" show, marco rubio was asked about the paument of a contested convention. let's take a listen to what he had to say. >> this is not about a contested
election per se. no one is aiming towards that. the reality of it, if you look at the delegate math is if things continue the way they are now, and they may not, but if things continue the way they are now, it's going to be hard for anyone on this ballot to get to 1,237 delegates. that doesn't mean a brokered convention. you could easily have someone that really gains stream down the stretch here and has a large number of dell grts and brings everybody together who agrees. >> still, a very uphill climb for marco rubio in florida. according to the quinnipiac poll, he's down by double digits. many of his critics say really he does face an uphill climb and they don't see how much the attack ads run by his super pac there, won't see if they'll make a dent. donald trump was on the attack again today in his speech calling him little marco. he doesn't seem to be letting up with that. another interesting thing about last night is marco rubio and the other republican candidates said they would get behind donald trump eventually if he was the nominee. that seems to undercut that argument that he is, you know,
disastrous for the future of the republican party. but at the same time, the question is now can rubio rebound and gain some steam in florida? his campaign acknowledges that it is -- that they will win in florida. they say they will win. this morning on the "today" show, rubio wouldn't acknowledge that it's a must-win, but privately, they're all really looking ahead to florida. that will be a key part of their strategy going forward, jose. >> gabe, thank you very much. of course, saying you're going to win doesn't make it necessarily so. joining me now, msnbc political analyst and former aide to the rand paul campaign, elise jordan, and politico's florida reporter, mark caputo. elise, i want to talk about the debate. trum said in the spin room after 11 debates, there's no point to them anymore. after seeing what you saw last night, do you think the public is getting anything out of them? >> well, i think there's no point to debates when the conversation is lowered to the level that trump has lowered it. i mean, it was absolutely
ridiculous last night. the avoidance of talking about any real policy. that's where i feel that the moderators especially chris wallace, did a great job, really honing in on actual numbers of trump's policy proposals. it just -- i mean, this whole republican primary has just denigrated into a food fight. and it's just so nasty and it could have been avoided. trump is clearly a very weak candidate. he's going to be a terrible candidate to go up against hillary clinton because he clearly has so many weaknesses that unfortunately haven't been attacked until the last two debates. so he's a weak candidate that -- it's just, it's really, i really can't believe it's gotten to this level. >> yeah, i'll put you in the non-trump supporting box, i think, elise. for now. >> that's very safe. that's a very safe box. >> right. i don't know how i figured that out. but it's not just trump. the fact is he is maybe the
target of all the, you know, incoming as well. and some of that incoming has to do with, you know, size of your hands and the color of your spray tan. and your hair. these are things that he is not necessarily saying. he may have been able to start the conversation at that level, but it's been going on now by others, including, of course, marco rubio. >> no, and that's the tricky line that these candidates have navigated. for six months, from when trump got into the race, people were very reticent to attack trump because the candidates who did like jeb bush and my former boss senator rand paul, they went down at the polls. it really affected them because trump came back with such immature attacks. and you know, it really was unfortunate that candidates chose political opportunism over doing the right thing and standing for princeals. now, rubio and cruz have no other option but to take him on
instead of gunning for second and third place, which the t entire race, so many candidates have been going for second and third place, and that's not what wins an election. now they have to, but it looks like it's going to be a failed venture just because it's too little too late and they're bringing themselves down in the process. i was watching the debate last night from mississippi with my parents and some friends, and it was interesting to hear how their impressions changed watching the debate. you know, kasich actually got favorable marks just because he didn't attack. and cruz did a better job than rubio of navigating. >> yeah. maybe you grow if you don't have air time. when the part of the food fight is most intense. let's talk a little bit about trump is in michigan talking about jobs, jobs, the economy, the need to bring back jobs to places like detroit. which everybody agrees, you know, needs that. but let's talk about this issue, because one of the big talking points is indeed the economy.
and yet this morning, for example, we saw the jobs market, 242,000 jobs in february. unemployment is currently below 5% for the national average. of course, the african-american population and the hispanic population suffer more than the average numbers show. but doesn't that undercut the republican or the trump story a little bit? >> it does in part and doesn't in part. in the end, what you find, florida is a classic example of this. we're doing great in job growth. we're -- the governor brags about it all the time. but a lot of the jobs that are being created all low-wage jobs, and there's a great amount of unease among a lot of voters that my generation is going to leave an american that's not as great for my kids. and you see trump talking about this. you see marco rubio talking about it and ted cruz to a degree. >> every single poll seems to show that rubio is not gaining
traction here in the state. doesn't have a lot of time left. >> right. we have a story today in politico about this. it's that rubio loses by anywhere from seven 20 percentage points depending on the poll to trump in florida. however, it's still early enough for him to do the right things. for him to do the right things, he needs to ramp up a ground game and bank ballots. floridians are already early voting. at least 450,000 republicans have already cast ballots. that's bad for rubio. what's good for rubio is there's probably going to be about 2.3 million ballots cast. and also jeb bush is a big factor here. >> so far, silence from jeb. >> right, so a lot of republicans, establishment republicans, especially older republicans who favor jeb, want to see jeb come out and support rubio. we don't know why he hasn't yet. maybe he's waiting for the right time or maybe his ego and feelings were bruised. >> it was a bitter campaign and rubio and bush really went at it
and their super pacs really went at it. >> especially bush's super pac. it tried to take the flesh off rubio and did a good job. one of the reasons rubio never got the moment he was hoping to get was bush's super pac might have spent as much as $25 million on negative ads. it's tough to swim against that current. >> there are losing campaigns throughout the state that were expected to win against marco rubio. so you can't count the guy out. >> right. >> but this is different. >> this is trump. and what's amazing about trump is that this is a tv state. he's a tv personality and he's dominating. however, trump is starting to advertise in florida. he's announced a roughly $1 million buy. it's incumbent on the forces that back rubio to come in and give him air coverage. >> marc caputo and elise jordan, thank you both for being with me. i want to bring in a former senior adviser to governor jeb bush, former chairman of the florida republican party and former chairman of the american conservative union, cpac, we
mentioned jeb bush. not been pretty obvious about what he's doing as far as supporting or not rubio. it's good morning to you, sir. what's going on? i mean, is jeb bush silent? is he expected to endorse rubio or not before the primary here? >> well, listen, one of the things i'll say, great to be with you and all the best to all of our panthers friends out there. a lot of fiu diplomas in cardenas family tree. good to be with you. but look, mitt romney did something yesterday which spelled out what the strategy is for most of us. that is to encourage kasich and cruz and rubio to stay in the race through march 15th. rubio's got the toughest task. that's to win florida. kasich's got to win ohio. if either of them do not win either state, then the road to stop donald trump gets a lot tougher. rubio obviously needs to win florida or else, you know, the
path forward becomes very difficult. and my sense as governor romney said is, look, we want to pick one of these three people and get together behind him and support him in the homestretch, and hope that we can divert, you know, donald trump from getting to 1,237 delegates he would need. that's a strategy. i think most major donors are on the sidelines. most major opinion makers are on the sidelines in my party are waiting for the post-march 15th verdict to see who do we back that will do a one-on-one with donald trump. so a lot at stake. >> this is the problem. the problem is that every single time there have been firewalls for different republican party mainstream candidates to try and mitigate trump's growth, they have been obliterated. one after the other after the other after the other.
new hampshire was a key place where jeb bush would be able to show he could slow that wave. boom. he's gone. now, we have florida. all the polls show marco rubio is not exactly in first place here. what happens if all of these supposed firewalls end up being little toys for donald trump and his supporters? >> listen, there's such a thing as rule 40. rule 40 of the rnc says that you can't nominate a candidate unless that candidate has won a majority of the delegates in at least eight states. ted cruz has done it once. kasich has zero. marco rubio has zero, and donald trump has five. there's no path forward for three candidates because they can't be nominated from the floor. i think march 15th is a hard deadline. and there's going to be a sharp revision of who stands and who's got the best path, and i assure you there will be an avalanche of support after march 15th behind a particular candidate.
and we're waiting to see how they do at that date. >> so, very quickly, can you and your supporters and the people that you talk with on a daily basis, could you see yourself supporting donald trump if after florida or after whatever states are determined, that mr. trump is the nominee. are you going to support donald trump? >> i'm going to support after march 15th the one candidate who can stand against donald trump the best. and if donald trump -- >> let me ask you the question again. if donald trump becomes the nominee, are you going to support that? >> i can't answer that question until i see more. in other words, i would have a very hard time supporting the donald trump i see today. if he's got an evolution, if he makes an effort to be more accommodating to the mainstream view of the republican party, perhaps. but at this point, today, it's very difficult for me to foresee
that. >> always a pleasure to see you. thank you very much for being with me. >> good to be with you. coming up on msnbc live from miami, much more on the delegate math and how all roads lead through the sunshine state. and we're going to turn to the democratic race as well. bernie sanders set to hold a rally at the university of illinois less than an hour from now. he and hillary clinton face off in four states this weekend. he says she's not the inevitable nominee, but will sanders be able to chip away at clinton's lead this weekend? and we will know who the republican nominee is, but when? less than two weeks away. some big contests on the 15th of march, including, well, one right here that could decide the fe fate of the gop race. we'll have much more from the beautiful campus of florida international university. we'll be right back. dad, you can just drop me off right here. oh no, i'll take you up to the front of the school. that's where your friends are. seriously, it's, it's really fine.
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bernie sanders within the hour. he's holding a rally with the union members in edwardsville, illinois, and heads to michigan where both he and hillary clinton have events ahead of next tuesday's democratic primary on the road and traveling this morning with the sanders campaign is nbc's luke russert. good morning. >> good morning, my friend. how are you? >> good to see you, buddy. the democrats have six contests in four days. what's your final strategy here? >> well, the sanders campaign had a very aggressive day yesterday. they started out in michigan, went to nebraska. then to kansas, spent the night in missouri. and they're going to southern illinois today. a real try to turn out the vote
operation in the caucus places like you have in nebraska and like you have in kansas. what bernie sanders is trying to do is amass as many delegates as possible to really keep up the narrative that he should be included in the race and be taken seriously for as long as possible. remember, he has over $40 million in individual contributions he's gotten over the course of the last few months. so he's trying to have an impetus to go forward. as for where the race will go, sanders is trying to differentiate himself from hillary clinton on three issues. number one, trade. he brought up in michigan how she was supportive of nafta when bill clinton was in office, saying you can't trust her on trade because you don't know where she's been on the tpp deal. also trying to differ inentiate between his vote against the iraq war and her vote for it. and he went after in alaska, saying she was slow to act on the keystone pipeline. as to how long he'll go, his
campaign says he wants to know all the way until june. what he's doing is really showcasing that a strong progressive can insight a lot of excitement. he had a few thousand at a rally in kansas, 10,000 a few nights ago, and is viable. we'll see how long that lasts. they're also in a debate on sunday in detroit, which they're ready for. we'll see if he becomes more aggressive. the e-mails is her achilles heel he has not gone after to this point. >> here at fiu, you see a lot of enthusiasm for especially bernie sanders. luke russert on the bus or as we we call it here, la wawa. >> republican candidates for president were critical of the obama administration's decision to restore diplomatic relations with the cuban regime last year, and now weeks before the president's planned visit to cuba, secretary of state john kerry cancelling his tentative trip to the island. kerry reportedly canceled after
strained negotiations with the cuban government over who the president could meet with on his 21st of march trip. kerry was in havana, you'll remember, for the flag raising at the reopening of the u.s. embassy there in august. no word on whether his trip will be rescheduled or if this will affect president obama's visit to havana. >> ahead, we'll have much more from the sunshine state. where march 15th, it could prove to be a very bad day for some of the gop candidates. could one or more republicans be forced out of the race after the winner-take-all election here in florida and in ohio? we're live on the campus of florida international university. a beautiful day, a beautiful campus. midterm studies under way, but they're here hanging with us this morning.
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it's looking more and more like march 15th will be maybe the day we learn whether donald trump will be the republican presidential nominee or whether the gop is headed to a contested convention. march 15th is key for republicans because florida and ohio will hold their winner-takes-all primaries that day. look at the numbers. 99 delegates for florida. 66 delegates in ohio. joining me now with more is senior political editor for nbc news, mark murray. good morning. >> good morning, jose. >> let's talk a little bit about that math, the delegate math. how does it add up here? >> let's start where the delegate situation is right now. jose, right now, donald trump has an 88-delegate lead over his closest competition, ted cruz. it's donald trump, 325. ted cruz, 237. marco rubio, 117. so that's where it stands right now. and then, of course, we're going to be headed into contests over
the next week. we have contests on saturday and sunday. as well as on tuesday. and that also is going to change. basically, if you assume that donald trump keeps on winning the same proportion that he has over the last 15 contests, that then changes the numbers where donald trump has 130 delegate lead over ted cruz. you have trump at 485, ted cruz at 355, and then marco rubio at 174. >> mark, let's talk about the numbers because, you know, marco rubio has in the past, for example, been the underdog in many races. and he ends up winning. but as far as florida is concerned, doesn't look like he's being able to chip away at donald trump's lead here. >> yeah, not right now, jose. of course, we still have 11 days to go. to erase anything. marco rubio's super pac is airing about $3 million of negative advertisements against donald trump, trying to bring
the numbers down. donald trump is responding with $1 million. but you are right. it all comes down to florida and the numbers that we just showed, if donald trump ends up getting the 99 delegates in florida, gets the 66 in ohio, then he has a 50% chance -- he just needs to win 50% of the remaining delegates to get to the magic number of 1237 to clinch the republican nomination. that is very doable. then, if donald trump is unable to win ohio, unable to win florida, then we're talking with donald trump still in the lead, but him having to win 66 to 67% of the remaining delegates, which is much harder, and that's how you get to the contested convention, jose. >> mark, very quickly, on the ohio situation, clearly, this is the state for kasich. how is that looking? >> well, so kasich is overperforming in ohio. compared to his national average in the polls.
donald trump, the last polling, has donald trump ahead by about five percentage points. it's a closer contest. the question is over the next ten, 11 days, does john kasich have any kind of moments that can keep his numbers up? it's going to be very difficult to see him winning some of the contests that are going to play out on saturday, sunday, as well as tuesday. he's going to need the momentum to beat donald trump in ohio. >> mark murray, thanks for being with me. great seeing you. >> thanks, jose. >> as i have been reporting, florida's winner-take-all for the gop. and m and marco rubio is hoping his home state could be a game changer for him. if he could pick up the 99 delegates florida has for the gop. his home town in miami could be key, with one exception. since 1988, whoever won miami in a general election won the state. and the white house. joining me now is the city of miami's mayor, a man who knows much about south florida and miami.
mayor, good to see you. >> good morning. >> thank you for being with me. you supported marco rubio from day one. why? >> because he comes from small cities. united states, jose, is a country of small cities. we're not like brazil or india or china. he understands that we need someone in the white house that understands the fact that small cities struggle to get funding to buy police cars, to do great work. to do things that we need to do from the money we send to washington. washington has been absent to help cities in the united states. especially midsized and small cities. i think that marco understands the state, how the state works. and understands washington. so he's really prepared. people say he's young, he's not prepared. i think he's really prepared because he has been in all levels of government. >> and you know, yesterday, you gave the city -- the state of the city address for your city and mine, because i live in the
city of miami. never have there been more construction, for example, than this year, 2014-2015 in the city of miami. with all these realities, why do you think marco rubio is not winning in the polls in the state of florida against donald trump? >> because some people think that donald trump is a hard liner. and in florida, we have been bombarded with issues of foreign policy. you know, cuban migration, haitian migration, all the things that affect latin america effect the state of florida. i think people are realizing, though, that this course, that donald trump is divisive. we, the hispanics, the black community, and the haitian community, are going to be affected if donald trump gets to the presidency. people were leaning, a lot of people were leaning for jeb bush because they know, they have
known jeb bush and the bush family for many years. i think the tide is changing. and marco is going to get a lot of votes from the hispanics. >> you say if he doesn't win florida, it's going to be very tough. >> i would like to see a contested election. >> but if he loses florida. >> well, i think that marco will stay to the end. i think -- i hope. i'm not in the inner circle. i'm just a guy that supports him. >> you know what, i'm glad you bring this up about how south florida and really florida, but south florida specifically is immersed in foreign policy issues. we have a crisis in haiti. there's supposed to be elections next month. i don't see those elections happening. two people who are supposedly there to transition from power of the president who left office. that's not probably going to happen. there are crises around latin america and around venezuela. >> we have cuba, we don't know what's going to happen. we are residents with the foreign policy issue.
so we need to understand people. i mean, the cuban community has been disappointed for the fact that trump, who sounded conservative, has been saying, well, no, i support obama and lift the embargo on cuba. >> always a pleasure to see you. thank you very much for being with me this morning. coming up, ted cruz set to take the stage in maine any moment now. he promises to be the best alternative to trump, but can he win over republican voters before the 15th of march. we'll talk to the vice chairman of the miami republican party next. there's only one egg that just tastes better. fresher. more flavorful. delicious. only one egg with better nutrition... like more vitamins d, e, and omega 3s. and 25% less saturated fat. only one egg good enough for my family. because why have ordinary when you can have the best. eggland's best.
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politicized and gave the michigan governor snyder credit. >> i will say i give the governor credit. he took responsibility for what happened. and he's talked about people being held accountable and the need to change. that's governor snyder. >> meanwhile, of course, two years into this crisis, and still very little is being done. tony dokoupil is in flint. you have been talking to people affected by the crisis and getting their reaction to yesterday's debate. good morning. >> good morning, jose. before we get to the reactions, we have something very special to show you. msnbc has learned that what's going on behind us with this crew, that backhoe, is the removal of the very first lead pipe. the source of the toxic metal that has afflicted the city for nearly two years. the first of those pipes is finally coming out of the ground. the city hopes this will be the first of a $55 million, 15,000 home project that will take about a year to fulfill. there are questions about where
the funding will come from for the work. the state legislature has not approved a $25 million budget request to fulfill this initial round of work. there will be much more on this today. there's going to be a major press conference around 3:00 p.m. right now, i want to turn to the raucous gop debate we watched here in flint. as you can imagine in this democratic-leaning town, there were hoots and hollers, and in particularly, when the answer from marco rubio on flint came through, the room erupted. ta take a listen to some of the reactions we picked up. rubio commented on flint. what did you think? >> i think it sucked. he had no original idea whatsoever. and the things coming out of his mouth, seriously, i almost vomited. >> that's a typical politician right there. governor snyder took responsibility because he got caught. governor snyder needed to resign because governor snyder lied. you have ten people that died from this water.
>> so jose, not too much happiness in flint last night watching the debate. seems to be improving today with the first lead pipe out of the ground. >> this is almost two years in the making. and then you're telling me that they're still having an issue bringing in $20 million to deal with the crisis, and meanwhile, we have two years of kids getting lead poisoning, people not knowing what the heck they're drinking and that's still going on and this is what they're discussing? >> that is about the long and short of it, jose. the city wants $55 million. the state has allocated $25 million. the legislature has not approved it yet. there's a debate over just whether or not this is entirely necessary, if there are alternative cheaper means to insureing the state with these pipes. >> tony, i have a suggestion, maybe you can bring it up to the politicians. what about if while they're discussing this and taking their time, what if they divert some of those pipes from flint over
to the parliament building. and then let them have that water while they're discussing it, and see how long it takes them to come up with some solution. that may be something. it may be a good investment to get the water pipes sent over to where they're discussing this issue. sorry about that. i had to say that. thank you, buddy. good seeing you. >> good to see you. >> i did go on a rant. i apologize for that. a little bit. one candidate who doesn't have to worry about winning his home state anymore is texas senator ted cruz. but according to the latest national poll, he's losing to donald trump by over 30 points nationally. he's also behind florida senator marco rubio. look at the numbers there. that's the very latest quinnipiac poll. cruz is really kind of trying to deal with the fact that trump seems to be unstoppable and how to try and stop him. but could florida be the key for cruz? in that attempt? with me now is miami-dade gop
vice chair manny roman. you kind of broke with tradition and the rules in the republican party by last december coming out and endorsing cruz. why did you do that? >> yeah, there is an unspoken rule. at the time, you support jeb bush or marco rubio. i decided to support who i thought was the one consistent conservative in the race, ted cruz. ted went to washington, jose, and did everything he said he's going to do, and texas rewarded him for that. he won texas by 17 points, as opposed to rubio who is down in florida. he made campaign promises he abandoned. do you have qualms about thopolitical process and the semantics in the gop. these debates have turned out to be some kind of like mud wrestling. >> and last night was a good example of that. you had two candidates who were tossing insults back and forth. you wet your pants, you have small hands, and ted cruz, who every time they did their bickering, he went and spoke to the voters. he said, look, let's not talk
about the bickering. what are your policies? i think ted cruz had a good debate last night, and i think it was because he was the adult in the room. >> in the past, they have gone at each other. >> you're right. but ted cruz doesn't go after people' personalities or their character. >> what do you think happens if, and the polls continue showing what could happen here on election day in florida, and trump does win and does win substantially, he gets the 99 winner-take-all, maybe ohio, 66. what happens if that happens? >> trump still has a challenge to get the nomination before june, because he has to win 52% of the remaining delegates. so you're right. he does have a substantial -- >> what happens, florida and ohio? >> i think florida is going to be hard for donald trump to lose at this point. ted cruz is making a push in florida. yesterday or the day before, we opened 12 offices throughout the state. >> if trump gets florida, if
trump gets ohio. >> there's still plenty of other states. the majority of the states are conservatives. we're going to make a play for kansas, for louisiana, and keep pushing. >> good to see you. up next, young voters are going to be talking. they're going to have a big say in what happens in the march elections here in florida. i'm going to speak with student leaders at fiu about what they're looking for in a candidate. i'll by right back from fiu.
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great jobs, and then giving back. i really love our students because of their determination to succeed. >> talk to me about the student body here. it's so diverse. a large university, but one of the most diverse in the country. >> about 55,000 students. about 63% of our students are hispanic. half are cuban american origin, the other half from the rest of latin america. about 15% are african-american, so we're really one of the largest majority minority universities in the country. what can they get here? they can get great legal education. we have a wonderful law school. we have an incredible medical school. a big engineering program. architecture and design program. arts and sciences, really good. we have a green school of international and public affairs. they can get a world-class education right here in miami. >> and these are the future of this country. and this country includes people who have different backgrounds and who have different concepts and sensitivities. >> that's where we're going.
that's the shape of things to come. we're the face of the future here at this university. that's why we love being here and working here because we know this is where the puck is going. >> on, for example, law school, they said, oh, law school. latinos aren't going to go for law schools. and yet, number -- >> number one, the number one in bar passage in the state of florida, which we're very proud of. >> a very cool building, too. >> yes, it does. it's called the diaz-balart building, which we're very proud of. >> no one more proud than my family to have the name associated with this incredible university. thank you. thank you so much. i want to talk to some of the students that are here, and they have been here all morning. they support and represent all kinds of different political persuasions and political parties. let me introduce you to alexi, student body president. good to see you. alex flores, fiu democrats and mauriceio, fiu republicans.
alexis, let me start with you. this is such a large student body. what are some of the things mark was talking about that you as a student body care about as young people for america? >> i think the number one idea we all are here for is to achieve upward mobility for ourselves and our families. we come to the university because we need that next level for ourselves professionally. and half of our university is first-generationn college. and many of us -- >> that's a great thing. half of them. their parents didn't go to college. more than half. >> so we understand the importance of education. and really, we fought for as a student body, more access to education. this university is one of the greatest opportunities our community has for us. and that more students would have that opportunity. >> alex, as a young democrat, talk to me about what is it that the students that you talk with and that help organize, want to
see from their democratic party? >> well, i think for one, they do want to see more transparency within the democratic party. i mean, i have been -- two weeks ago, i have been registering people to vote, getting them really excited. as for young people, they do appeal to bernie sanders. but as a party, i think what they want is just that, someone who speaks their mind, someone clean and someone that truly fights for them. i actually think both candidates, hillary clinton and bernie sanders, can speak for them. >> mauricio, you saw the debate last night. a little bit odd, i think, right? the level of conversation. what is it that you and the young republicans here at fiu want to see in their leader? >> well, right now, we have millennial hispanics and they keep telling me the same subject, the same reason we're here today, employment, jobs, degrees. the issue right now in the yoount united states, we see 70%, 7 of 10 seniors in college,
have student debt. the national average is around $29,000 per person. >> amazing. >> under this administration, we have seen the student debt across the country double to $1.2 trillion. >> you guys can discuss this if you want. this is something that all of you feel passionate about. on either side of the board, right? the fact is you all have a student loan problem. you have the day you graduate from university. how do you deal with that? how do your future dreams and aspirations feel when you have that weight on you? >> we have the struggle of how are we going to own a home like our parents did? how are we going to invest in things like our parents did? it's not the same. >> i think the first step and easy step is to vote democrat. i think that party is the party -- >> what about if you register to vote to start? let's start by having every single american citizen that is young, over 18 years of age,
register to vote. whether you're a democrat or republican or independent, if you register to vote, especially, especially us, those that have come from other countries, that have parents that didn't have the privilege of having a country where their vote counted. how can it be that any young person is not registered to vote? how it can be? >> there should be automatic registration as soon as you turn 18. easy. >> tell me about what it is you think is going to happen in flori florida? i'm not asking you who support, but who do you think is going to win florida in the republicans? >> well, it's a pretty wide race right now. you have great candidates, and the words of reince priebus, any republican candidate's better than hillary clinton. >> alex, what do you think? >> both democratic candidates can beat any republican candidate on any single one, especially trump and all of the above. >> alexis, do you think at the end of the day, you're going to see a lot more kids registering to vote in the time that we have left before the november
elections? >> i know at fiu, we'll be pushing hard for registration. >> i have done it a lot. >> you have seen that? >> we had bipartisan movements on campus to register. >> thank you for being with me this morning. such a pleasure to be here. are we running out of time? is that it? are we out of time? that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. thank you for the privilege of your time. i'll see you tomorrow on nbc nightly news saturday. take care. the microsoft cloud allows us to access information from anywhere. the microsoft cloud allows us to scale up. microsoft cloud changes our world dramatically. it wasn't too long ago it would take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome. now, we can do a hundred per day. with the microsoft cloud we don't have to build server rooms. we have instant scale. the microsoft cloud is helping us to re-build and re-interpret our business. this cloud helps transform business.
as we age, certain nutrients longer than ever. become especially important. from the makers of one a day fifty-plus. one a day proactive sixty-five plus. with high potency vitamin b12 and more vitamin d. good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall. good to see you. coming up, a lot of election of course to the big debate last night. we're live this morning at the msnbc headquarters in new york. the presidential candidates are off to a fast start to this
friday morning. ted cruz is holding a rally in maine. marco rubio is set to hold a rally in kansas. and bernie sanders is about to get one started in illinois. and minutes ago, donald trump finished a rally in warren, michigan, where he took new aim at cruz, rubio, and mitt romney. meanwhile, in a "today" show exclusive, governor romney talked about the motivation for his unprecedented attack against his party's front-runner. yesterday's trump's claim that romney begged him for an endorsement four years ago. whether romney is angling to become the gop nominee, all of it was discussed. >> the time came when donald trump's outrage had reached such a level that i simply had to speak out. >> did you beg him for his endorsement four years ago? >> i was welcoming his endorsement. i was happy to have it. i was looking for as many endorsers as i could have. >> any under circumstance s woud
you be a part of the race? >> there are no circumstances i could foresee where thadwit possibly happen. >> no circumstances he could foresee. we'll talk about that. all of this follows last night's gop debate where once again, trump was a lightning rod. >> he has spent a career convincing americans that he's something he's not. >> this little guy has lied so much about my record. >> here we go with the personal attacks. answer the economy question. >> he doesn't answer the economy question. >> i employed tens of thousands of people. >> donald has a tenuous relationship with the truth. breathe, breathe. you can do it. you can breathe. i know it's hard. i know it's hard, but just -- >> when they're done with the yoga, can i answer a question? >> you cannot. i really hope that we don't see yoga on this stage. >> he's very flexible, so you never know. >> why don't we come together as a country, respect one another,
love one another, and lift this country. i think that's what people want. >> so there was a mixed bag of up lifting comment from kasich to vulgar tees across the board. in the end, it was the last question that has sparked a conversation this morning. all of donald trump's rivals agreed despite accusing him of being a liar and dangerous for the united states and even the world, they have all now said they would support the republican nominee. on the "today" show, marco rubio was asked how he squares that with all of the attacks against trump. >> that's the quandary that we're in, right? we as republicans feel that hillary clinton would be a disaster to the country. that's how bad she is. i would look at it as a reflection of how bad she is, not how good donald trump is. >> i want to take you to senator ted cruz, in maine speaking. let's lissing in. >> those discussions are happening among the activists and among the donors. there is no doubt if we remain
divided, donald trump wins. remaining divided is a path to catastrophe for the country. i welcome the supporters of every other candidate to come together and i welcome the other candidates for us to stand together. what super tuesday demonstrated is if you want to beat donald trump, ours is the only campaign that has done so not once, not twice, not three times, but five states. we have beaten donald trump. and we will continue to compete vigorously. and the more we unite republicans, the more we're going to beat donald, when we do that, we will defeat hillary clinton in november and we will turn this country around. we will bring back the constitution and the bill of rights. >> would you be on a ticket if you weren't on the top of it? >> at this point, i'm not engaging in any negotiations. i'm focused on winning the nomination. i have to say, a lot of folks in washington are really fond right now of talking about a brokered
convention. a brokered convention is a pipe dream of the washington establishment. it is their hope that they can come and snatch this nomination away from the people. and the washington establishment, they're frustrated. all of their chosen candidates, all of their golden child candidates, aren't winning. and they don't understand. they picked who they want the nominee to be. and there's just one little detail that can't get the votes from the people. in my view, a brokered convention ain't going to happen. and if the washington deal makers try to steal the nomination from the people, i think it would be a disaster. it would cause a revolt. instead, the answer is real simple. we've got to win this nomination. 1,237 delegates is what it takes to the be the republican nominee. if you look at where we are in delegates right now, fewer than 100 delegates separates donald trump and me.
i am the only candidate who has the delegate count, who has the state wins, that is in a position to beat donald trump. if you want to beat a donald, the way to do it is to come together behind this campaign. and that's what we're working hard to do. >> is donald trump a flip-flopper? >> last night was really striking. all of us are used to political candidates who run to the right in the primary, and then run to the center in the general elections. one of the reasons we're frustrated because they make promises to get the nomination and promptly go to washington and break all those promises. now, normally, a politician waits until the general election to do it. last night, donald trump started galloping to the center before the primary is over. donald trump repeatedly emphasized flexibility. that he will be flexible on every principle, every issue he will be flexible. you know, and that, he echoed
what he reportedly said to the "new york times" editorial board, that everything he said on immigration, you know, that's really been donald's signature issue, what he talked about the most, apparently, he told the "new york times" editorial board, everything he says on immigration he doesn't mean. he's not going to build a wall, not going to deport anyone. on the debate stage last night, he changed his views on h1b visas. he's for expanding them to take away american jobs. and one of the more stunning moments of the debate last night was when he turned to marco rubio and donald trump said, marco, i agree with you. the flexibility you showed negotiating with democrats and the gang of eight amnesty bill. you want to talk about a stunning moment on the debate stage where donald trump is saying he agrees with marco rubio and the democrats on the gang of eight amnesty bill, that that's good flexibility. well, on one level, that shouldn't be surprising because donald trump funded the gang of eight. of the eight members of gang of
eight, he gave contributions to five of them over $50,000, but it was still stunning for a candidate who has pretended to be opposed to illegal immigration, for him to say it on that debate stage, and there was another moment that not many folks in the media picked up on. when donald was asked about his foreign policies, and said who do you listen to on foreign policy, the first name out of his mouth was richard haass. now, most americans have no idea who that is. but the d.c. establishment does. richard haass is the president of the council on foreign relations. he's a life-long liberal. is someone who has advised hillary clinton in the state department. what does it say about you that donald trump and hillary clinton both listen to the same adviser? look, on one level it's not surprising. remember, donald trump is someone who supported jimmy carter over ronald reagan. donald trump is someone who supported john kerry over george w. bush.
donald trump is someone who contributed four times to the hillary clinton presidential campaign in 2008. but for him to admit that the first name he listens to on foreign policy is the president of the council on foreign relations, a liberal hillary clinton acolyte, is a fairly extraordinary admission. and i will say this, let me speak for a minute to the donald trump supporters. i get that people are angry. we're so frustrated. we're so furious, because we have been lied to. we have been lied to over and over and over again. but donald trump embodies that washington corruption we're angry about. the answer to that corruption is not to go with someone who has been funding liberal democrats for four decades, who has been emmeshed in that corruption. and it's worth underscoring, donald is telling us, he will betray us on everything he's
campaigning on. when donald trump stood on the debate stage and said over and over again, you got to be flexible, you got to be flexible, flexible is washington code word that he's going to stick it to the people. that's what washington politicians say when they're being flexible. when it means is the rich and powerful are going to get taken care of, just like donald trump supported obama's wall street bailout and t.a.r.p. and the working men and women, flexibility means government is going to help the rich and powerful and the working men and women are going to be left behind. i tell you, here in maine, i'm encouraged by the support we have on the ground. i'm encouraged by support we have from conservatives. i'm encouraged by the support we have from libertarians. the liberty movement that believes passionately in the constitution and bill of rights. i spent my whole life fighting to defend the constitution and the bill of rights. donald trump told everyone in the last two debates that when
it comes to the bill of rights, when it comes to the constitution, he will be flexible. he will negotiate. two debates ago, he lectured me, ted, you gotta be willing to negotiate and compromise with harry reid and chuck schumer on supreme court appointments. let me be clear to the men and women of maine. there are areas where compromise is appropriate, if you're talking about marginal tax rates, you can negotiate on a question like that. but there are other areas that should not be up for compromise. the constitution and bill of rights should not be up for compromise, and i will tell the men and women of maine, i will not compromise away your religious liberty. i will not compromise away your second amendment right to keep and bear arms. the constitution and bill of rights are not up for negotiation, and when donald trump tells you that he will cut a deal with harry reid and chuck schumer, on antonin scalia's replacement, the inevitable
conclusion of that deal will be that he would nominate a liberal activist to the court. who would take away our free speech, take away our religious liberty, take away our right to keep and bear arms. and we need to defend our rights, not give them away in yet another washington deal. >> we're just listening in to a news conference, a brief one, from ted cruz, he's in bangor, maine. joining us now is senator cruz new national spokesperson for his campaign, ron, thank you so much for joining us. a lot to talk to you about regarding what we heard there. the senator saying that a brokered convention is a pipe dream. essentially saying that the will of the people, the will of the voters should take precedent over any rules that might be in place to have a brokered convention here. has he boxed himself in if donald trump is the person who has the majority of the votes from your party? >> no, i don't think so.
i think that what's clear is that this race is far from over. that donald trump has a little over 300 delegates, and you need 1237 in order to win the nomination. and what senator cruz has made clear is that the voters should have the right to make this decision. in my state of california, we're going to vote last in the process on june 7th. and every state and the voters in every state deserve to have their voice heard. this is far from over, but the will of the republican voters who vote in the primaries and those elections should be honored. >> if donald trump goinize to the convention with a majority of the votes, is the senator prepared to say that he is the party's nominee? i'm trying to get a clear definition here on where your team stands. >> yeah, i think this is a really important point. according to the rules of the republican party, requires an absolute majority, 1,237 delegates to become the republican party nominee. at that point, that person is going to be the nominee. their choice for vice president
will be nominated and we move forward. senator cruz has made clear he will support the nominee of the party. we intend for that to be senator cruz. >> that was an interesting point the senator made last night regarding who he would support. he was asked yes or no would you support donald trump if he's the nominee. he said, yes, because i gave my word that i would. contrast that with things that the cruz campaign has said, things the senator has said regarding donald trump being a liar, being dangerous for america. he just painted this picture of a deceptive liberal who is lying to the republican voters out there. how then can he support donald trump if he's the nominee? doesn't that come off as phony politics? >> i think what that highlights is the fact that the democrats are likely to nominate hillary clinton, who has an even longer list of problems than donald trump does. it's clear senator cruz is the stronger candidate to be the nominee against hillary clinton or bernie sanders or whoever
they nominate going forward. what hillary clinton has made clear as she moved further and further to the radical left within her own party, she has big problems with the public concerning ethics and honesty and the like. i think the choice -- >> so does donald trump according to everything senator cruz is saying here. the question a lot of people are asking, what is more important, the country or your party? and this pledge that the senator says or this promise, his word he gave. that's not binding. what's more impoant, the party or the country? >> i think what's clear is senator cruz makes commitments and he keeps those commitments. that's why the people of texas gave him a 17-point margin when he appeared on the ballot on super tuesday. because senator cruz is someone who makes commitments and he keeps them. that will be a refreshing change compared to what we see in washington on the part of too many people today. >> we heard from senator cruz bring in richard haass. and you can explain to me why he's decided to go after richard haass, the president, the council on foreign relations saying he's been an adviser to
hillary clinton and he's a liberal. when you look at his background here, he was an adviser to secretary of state colin powell. he was also a special assistant to president george h.w. bush. how does that gel with being a hillary clinton lifelong liberal? is george h.w. bush a liberal? is secretary of state colin powell a liberal? what is he talking about? >> i think that one thing that's clear is that we need to move in a different direction than we have seen under barack obama and secretary hillary clinton, when it comes to america's position in the world. and one of the things that would compromise that, of course, dramatically is if you have a presidential nominee in donald trump who is taking advice from the same person advising hillary clinton. >> the same person who advised colin powell and george h.w bush. why did he leave that out of the statement? this is part of why people believe it's deceptive and there may be plenty of lies to go
around. he pointed out richard haass' connection to hillary clinton, but purposefully, i have to assume, did not mention the connection to colin powell and george h.w. bush. >> colin powell and gorgeous eo bush are not in office and not running for office, and richard, if that person is advising hillary clinton, that's fine, but of all the people donald trump could have cited, he cited someone who advised hillary clinton to give him guidance on foreign policy. that's not the kind of contrast that we need from more of the same from barack obama and hillary clinton in terms of foreign policy. we need a fresh team, a fresh start, conservative republican leadership back in the white house. that's what senator cruz would offer. >> thank you very much for your time. we'll continue to follow the latest developments on the campaign trail and see what happens next. no one can predict it. thank you. >> developing now, let me show you live pictures of two campaign rallies under way. senator bernie sanders is campaigning in illinois. and marco rubio is in kansas.
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senator marco rubio is about to lead a rally in kansas following that raucous debate, for lack of a better word, last night. gabe gutierrez in detroit with the latest from the rubio campaign. where are they picking up? is it where they left off last night? >> good morning. the rubio campaign still wants to keep hitting donald trump hard. they do not want to kind of sink
into these personal insults that we had been hearing about a week or so from the rubio campaign, which donald trump referenced yesterday with his now infamous line about, you know, below the belt line, if you could. the rubio campaign is trying to move past that. they're trying to hit him hard on trump university and his previous financial dealings. something very interesting that we heard from ted cruz in the last segment in his live speech was talking about the possibility of a brokered convention. ted cruz calling it a pipedream. the rubio campaign will say they don't expect a brokered convention, but now more and more likely it's looking because of marco rubio's situation. just having over 100 delegates right now. a very steep climb for him. hard to see how he gets this nomination without some sort of contested convention. but for him, the key will be florida. march 15th his home state, really all on the line for marco rubio right there. his conservative solutions super pac backing him is spending about $3 million right now on attack ads against donald trump.
now, this rally that's about to start in kansas, he has three events in kansas. he canceled two events, one in kentucky and other in louisiana to focus more on kansas. that's because about 40 delegates are up for grabs tomorrow in the caucuses which are closed caucuses. and both marco rubio and ted cruz feel they can pick up delegates in kansas because donald trump, you know, he has more independent voters, outsider voters, and these caucuses are limited to registered republican voters. again, the key for the rubio campaign will be florida. we'll see what happens on march 15th. >> to your point about the closed caucuses and primaries here, it will be interesting because ted cruz also believes that gives him a little more momentum going in. just quickly pivoted back to florida, beyond the ad buys there, gabe, what are we hearing is the strategy there? is there a group of voters, specific demographic, that senator rubio is focusing in on that he believes could be the
difference in florida? >> well, throughout this campaign, the rubio campaign has felt that affluent suburban voters, he feel those could help him out. what they feel will happen in florida, they're discounting the polls that have him down in double digits. once these attacks take hold, once the attack ads against donald trump gain some traction, they feel they think they can close the gap with donald trump in florida. they also think some big key states for them coming up might be idaho and puerto rico. he's spending time there in the next couple days. then it's all florida. expect him to be seen a lot in florida. >> thank you very much. also this morning, former republican presidential nominee mitt romney is continuing his push to stop donald trump from reaching the white house. here's more of what he said in an exclusive interview on the "today" show. take a listen. >> there's no question i'm going to do everything within the normal political bounds to make sure that we don't nominate
donald trump. i think he would be terribly unfit for office. i don't think he has the temperament to be president. i want city one of the other three become the nominee. by the way, after march 15th, i think you'll see it narrow down to one or two contenders opposing donald trump. i intend to support one of them. >> and joining me now, the "washington post" robert costa, also an msnbc political analyst. thank you for joining us. matt followed up with governor romney saying would he run? is he trying to be the knight in shining armor? he says he doesn't see any circumstances at this point that would push him into the race. what do you think? >> speaking of romney's associations, romney's friends, they say he's not running for president. if the party needed him, if there was some kind of second ballot at the convention in cleveland, they say by stepping out into the arena, by taking on trump and trying to make a coherent argument for the anti-trump wing, he's putting himself out there and making
himself available even if he's not running a the moment. >> which really means he is thinking about it. if they're looking at strategies for a second ballot, pwe're being transparent, that means he's thinking about it. >> i wouldn't say he's thinking about it. based on my reporting, is that romney wants to support someone after march 15th if the field gets narrowed down to a kasich or a rubio, maybe even a cruz. there's a sense if the party is in total disarray, if trump is carrying away the nomination, no one is within sight of getting the 1237 delegates you need, then romney or someone else may have to come in, either a third-party convention or a convention challenge. >> when we look at the march 15th date and we have broken down the numbers and showed where each candidate could make a move here, but to use a word that senator cruz used at the top of the hour, is this all a pipe dream scenario here? >> it's not a pipe dream scenario because privately, all of these campaigns, the remaining ones, they think
donald trump is going to tear the republican party apart. instead of, even though publicly they're saying they're going to back his campaign and support him, many don't want to do so. they're trying to come up with some kind of situation where they could try to get back in the game if they don't have the nomination. >> behind the scenes and one of the more important, substantive moments of the debate, is when megyn kelly showed the three clips of donald trump reversing himself on the war in afghanistan, whether it was a mistake or not. the acceptance of syrian refugees, whether trump thinks bush lied to get in the wars in iraq, also on his stance regarding entitlements. they laid out an actual substantive case against donald trump. talk to me about how the party remains mystified by what steve dasz, a conservative blogger out of iowa, called this cult-like support of donald trump from the party's base. >> i think the divide is between
the professional republican class and the grassroots base for donald trump. that's the way the republican party, if you think about it, in purely washington terms is in an uproar over trump. he's not a hawk. most of the republican establishment is hawkish. trump is someone who is war weary, who broke with george w. bush. there are people in the base who want to move away from where the establishment is in washington. what we're seeing now though is a fracture of the republican party on some of the core issues. trump doesn't want to go after social security and medicare. it's a tote aldifferent kind of argument made. >> thank you, robert. >> let me talk to syndicated talk radio show host michael medved. you have a theory about a potential fourth candidate. i want to pick up on what robert discussed, some of the core values, core stances of the republican party that seemingly have been washed away by voters who say, i have not had a winner or i have not backed a winner in a long time.
so i'm willing to back this guy. it is still something that i think is worth digesting and trying to understand what's happening in the republican party here. >> i don't really agree with you on this, tamron, because i don't think there are big differences among republicans about core issues. the difference is about one man. and that's somebody who has no core issues, who has no core, as was illustrated very well last night. the problem with donald trump, and i truly do not believe that there will be either a third or a fourth candidate in the race, as long as trump is not the nominee. actually, we were -- i was speaking with your colleague rachel maddow about -- >> i saw. >> about the prospect of bloomberg getting in. if bloomberg gets in, then that would leave conservatives who believe that donald trump is no conservative, and he isn't, it would leave conservatives with no choices. because michael bloomberg, even though he's very strong on
foreign policy and on policing and okay on economic policy, he's very, very liberal on social issues including second amendment rights issues. that creates really a chaotic situation. i mean, people are saying all of a sudden, wow, four candidates for president. we're europe. this is not the direction we want to go. and that's why i want to get back to this open convention. i think the term brokered convention is misleading. there are no brokers in the republican party. no one who is capable of telling you this has to be your candidate. but what there is, if donald trump falls short of the 1,237 delegates that represent a majority, then that means that a majority of delegates and a majority of republicans will continue voting against him. i keep coming back to the fact that two thirds of all the votes that have been counted so far in all of the primaries, in all of the caucuses are votes against donald trump. >> right. >> and they're against donald trump precisely because there is no conservative core. there's no substance, no agenda.
all there is is a cult of the personality, which is unworthy of the democratic republic. >> let me read what peggy noonan wrote today. we're witnessing history. something important is ending. the establishment was slow to see mr. trump coming. a full denial, as he continued to win. their denial is self-indicting. they couldn't see his appeal because they had no idea how their own people were experiencing america. with a low information elite. she's speaking about the party, but you have some liberals who point to what's happening with donald trump and the gop, and they say the tea party, which the republican base and quite honestly, the leadership embraced. the obstructionist behavior that president obama says he's experienced from the republican party. that it in fact was all of these things embraced by the republican leadership in an attempt to have success in midterm elections, in an attempt to control the senate, that
birthed this beast that is now eating up your party. >> look, the one area where i would agree a little bit that there has been malfunction, particularly, is ginning up this mantra about how terrible things are in the united states. when people call my radio show, and people regularly do and say i'm for trump because i'm angry. then there are twro questions. number one, what are you angry about? number two, what is donald trump going to do to assuage your anger, to make things better? usually when people say what i'm angry about, they're at sea. because here's an interesting thing. yesterday, a lot of people were playing over that video of donald trump endorsing mitt r5u78 romney in 2012. as part of what he said at the time, he was acknowledging the unemployment rate in nevada in
2012 which was 9.2%. things are a little better now. more than a little better. ate.3% employment in 2012 nationwide. things in the united states are far from perfect. we have lots of problems, but it's still a great country. now it's a question of what do we do to make it great snr this idea of what you do is blow everything up politically and go to someone who has absolutely no agenda, no respect for the constitution, no respect for the bill of rights, that's outrageous. and it's something that will greatly damage the republican party, which is why i salute mitt romney for a patriotic stance, in standing up for core values and core conservative republican values. >> quickly, i want to get your reaction for that reason that you just noted, the question i have been asking this morning, when you have this long debate filled with attacks on donald trump's record, pointing out as you have noted as well, inconsistencies, a lack of core conservative values. the list goes on and on.
a potential lawsuit with trump university, and at the end of the debate, to a person, each of the candidates say i will still support him. and they try to spin it by saying, because he's still better than hillary clinton. people ask the question, is this about party or are you really there on that stage for this country? >> look, i think it's a problem. i could not say that i would support donald trump under all circumstances. but then again, i'm not running for president, thank god. but the truth of the matter is that each of those guys had to do that. i tell you what i think would have been an interesting question, and i kind of wish that megyn kelly had asked it or chris wallace or somebody. the question would have been, would any of the others of you, kasich, rubio, cruz, would you accept a vice presidential nomination with donald trump? and i doubt they would. >> all right, michael, thank you very much. senator marco rubio is holding a rally in kansas, i'm
told he's with governor sam brownback and going after donald trump. let's listen in. >> buying steaks, trump steaks or buying trump vodka or a trump mattress, or even worse, enrolling in trump university. now he's asking you for your country. now he's asking you for your vote. he's asking you to make him the commander in chief of the most important and powerful military in human history. he's asking you to give him the power to send your 18 and 19-year-old sons and daughters off to war. he's asking you to put him at the pinnacle of the most important government on the plann planet at a time where this nation needs strong leadership more than ever before. he's asking you to make him president for the next four years, which means the way he behaves, the things he says, whoever the president is supposed to be, is supposed to set an example for the children, not someone you have to cover their ears every time they're on television. clearly, i'm here to ask you not to vote for him, because no matter how you may feel about the things he's talking about,
which he has no answers for, if he is our nominee, it will split the republican party. and it will be the end of the modern conservative movement. the conservative movement is not built on anger. it's built on ideas and principles. and that's why i'm asking you to caucus for me. i have not just been a conservative for the last year and a half. i have been a conservative for 15 years in terms of public policy. i have a 15-year record. i think i have been a conservative since i was 8, to be honest, because of reagan. i have taken conservative policy and turned it into conservative action. i did it in the florida legislature where i served as the speaker of the florida house, where we passed eminent domain laws that are among the best in the country, where we brought vocational education to our schools, where we cut taxes, where we balanced not one but two budgets as speaker in the middle of an economic downturn without raising taxes on anybody, where we reforms our school curricural without the
federal government and without common core. and then i was a private citizen and i had a chance to run for the u.s. senate and i did so in 2010 against the establishment of my own party. the leadership of the republican party in washington, d.c. didn't want me. they wanted the sitting governor of florida, but i ran because i knew if he won, he would not be what he said he was. and i'm glad i won because before that race was even over, charlie crist had become an independent. two years later he switched to d. to run for governor, and he lost. now he's a vegetarian. he keeps switching. i know that's illegal here in kansas to be a vegetarian. or at least strongly discouraged. and i'm proud of the work we have done in the senate. today, there are additional sanctions on hezbollah and evil and horrible anti-israel terrorist group because i led a bipartisan effort and we achieved it.
today, the bailout fund that was put in obamacare to bail out private insurance companies that was going to use your taxpayer money to bail out private insurance companies, that fund is gone because i led the effort and we did it. today, u.s. foreign aid around the world is used in a way to encourage companies -- encourage countries to prevent human trafficking, which is a scourge on humanity all around the world because we passed a law that achieved that as well. and today, by the way, you can fire a senior executive at the v.a. who is not doing a good job because believe it or not, i worked with bernie sanders and we passed a law to give them the power to do that. and by the way, that about all bernie sanders and i are going to agree on anytime soon.
now i'm asking you to caucus for me because i want you to know what you're going to get if i'm president of the united states. for the first time in eight years, you're going to have someone who follows the constitution of the united states. someone who will appoint judges and insure and justices and someone who will have policies that protect your first amendment right, not just to speak freely, not to believe anything you want, but to live out the teachings of your faith in every aspect of your life. someone who will defend and protect your second amendment right, to protect and defend your own family, because you have a right to protect yourself from criminals and terrorists and everyone -- anyone who tries to bring harm your way. >> we're listening in to marco rubio in kansas. i do want to pivot for a second. on an incredible story that we're now following, regarding
o.j. simpson and the death of nicole brown simpson and ron goldman. the lapd may be holding a news conference in the next few minutes. ida dateline's josh man cowits is now saying investigators are looking at a knife that recently was turned over to them from an ex-traffic cop who allegedly obtained the knife from the rockingham construction site, which would be near or at the former home of o.j. simpson. so this is coming at a time, as you may know, there's a popular series that's now airing following what happened in the trial of the century. this is 20 years after the murders of nicole brown and ron goldman in 1994. so we're now waiting to hear from the l.a. police department, the lapd. as it stands now, there's a report that this knife has been located and it was in possession of an ex-traffic cop.
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simpson, ronald goldman. o.j. simpson cleared of that, but now he's serving a significant amount of time behind bars in nevada for incidents that played out unrelated to the murders of his ex-wife and her friend. we're waiting to hear about the new information. this is at a time where the series is playing out on television. chronicling the death and the case and all that went along with it. so again, this is a big breaking news story. you see people assembling for the news conference. we'll bring it to you as soon as it starts. we'll go to a quick break and continue to follow the politics and the breaking news out of california. loped our most revolutionary feature yet. a car that can see trouble and stop itself to avoid it. when the insurance institute for highway safety tested front crash prevention nobody beat subaru models with eyesight. not toyota. not ford or any other brand.
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brown simpson and ronald goldman. joining me live by phone is journalist diane diamonden. she covers the o.j. simpson trial extensively. what do you know about this report? >> i know about as much as you do, to be honest. you know, way back when, that entire rockingham estate of o.j. simpson's was destroyed. and there was another structure put on it. and i am surprised to read that that knife was actually turned over several years ago, but now, just now, we're hearing about it. i'm really anxious to hear what the lapd has to say about this. but my first blush, i have to be honest with you, a buck knife? to me, that sounds like a small knife. and if i'm remembering my nicole brown simpson autopsy right, it wasn't a buck knife, and it wasn't a small knife. so again, i'm with you.
i'm waiting with bated breath for this news conference. >> obviously, the interest in the case has exploded as of late due to this successful series "the people versus o.j." and to your point, there are reports that this knife was recovered some time ago. so why is this now coming up again? also, to you point, sources confirm that the knife they're looking at is small. reportedly not in good condition. and it's hard to know if they were able to retrieve dna evidence from it. the other bit of information that dateline's josh mankiewicz has been able to confirm was this was in possession or turned over by an ex-traffic cop who allegedly obtained the knife on the praert. this is bizarre to say the least. it has at least caused the l.a. police department to hold a news conference. they could have released a statement and said this is nothing. they're holding a news conference.
>> yeah, exactly. once it's in the "l.a. times" they're sort of beholden to answer it publicly. i just googled buck knife. to me, it looks like a little pocketknife. it looks like something that would fold in and out. i don't know. this may be much ado about nothing. >> but why wouldn't they just say that, then? you know, listen, this is a knife we believe has nothing to do -- even though it's a report in the "l.a. times," we both know there have been countless reports about o.j. simpson and theories and alleged witnesses since the day he was allowed to walk out of that courtroom. >> right, right. and i'll have to tell you, back in the day, i recall very well, i was working for the television show called "hard copy" at the time. i remember very well, there were two scenarios. that when o.j. simpson came back from chicago, mr. kardashian, his lawyer, who is, of course, depicted in this mini series we've all been watching, took his luggage and that luggage then sort of disappeared.
and that the knife may have been in the luggage. back then, there were not magnetometers you had to go through when you went on and off of an airplane. the second theory was that his friend, a.c. callings, who, of course, was behind the wheel during the bronco chase, that he had somehow taken the weapon and thrown it in the ocean. now, neither one of those scenarios was ever proven, but back then it was that the murder weapon had somehow been completely destroyed. so, this thing has turned up all these years later. and i tell you, there has to be a real problem with possession. the chain of possession here, that this knife has undergone. if it was found many years ago, by a police officer or a construction worker, and where has it been? and who's been touching it? and do they still have o.j.'s blood around that might be planted on it? and this opens a whole new
chapter, doesn't it? >> it does. and it adds again to the bizarre nature from the very beginning and the tabloid style of, i guess, of how this was handled, diane. you know this very well from the sensational way the trial was covered to the fallout ever that divided people along racial lines. and even now where o.j. is now, behind bars in a crime that's completely unrelated. it's as if this story is written by some incredible script writer and it just keeps going. here you are, 20 years later, a new television series pops up, and voila, we're talking about this knife. it's as if someone wants attention in the l.a. police department to capitalize on this tv series or there is something real here. >> or there is something real here. or maybe it's a pr ploy to get more people to watch this o.j. simpson mini series, which, by
the way, i find captivating. i don't know if you've been watching it -- >> i have been, yes. >> but the script and the casting -- except for bill hodgman, assistant district attorney, i don't think that man looks like bill hodgman looked. but it's fascinating. you know, wouldn't it be something if all of this turns out to be a pr stunt, perpetrated -- >> ugh. >> i mean, maybe that's what the lapd is going to be saying here at this news conference coming up. maybe it's all a hoax, we never heard of it. or maybe it is something. >> but they could put that out in a statement. i mean, they don't need to stage this news conference to dismiss a report that's nothing. but let me go to -- if you can stand by, diane, let's go to ari melber here. ari, as i mentioned, o.j. simpson is expected to spend the rest of his life behind bars in nevada after that incident in the casino, where he claims he was trying to retrieve possessions, his memorabilia, but it turned into this robbery that is why he's behind bars.
nevertheless, if this buck knife, this small knife is related to the deaths of nicole brown and ronald goldman, he can't be tried again, right? >> well, double jeopardy would attach to anything relating to the underlying crimes that he was found not guilty of in the original infamous trial, tamron. so what we're looking at here is incredible. this is an incredible turn of events, whether it is, as you discussed, some kind of press gambit or press stunt or interest in publicity, because that, itself, would be a weird way to deal with new evidence, or if there is something that we are about to hear that changes what we know about the o.j. simpson case, the alleged murder weapon, or the chain of custody, that is always going to be relevant to a murder investigation. >> and you talk about the chain of custody. and again, diane diamond is still with us. the report, at least that we have, is that this knife was not
discovered today or yesterday. that it may have been in possession of this traffic cop for some time, and on the radar of investigators. so it's all very, still, confusing. and ari, the point i was making with diane, it seems as if there have been a million theories and alleged witnesses that have popped up over the last 20 years and things we've learned from folks tied to o.j. simpson. and they've been dismissed from time to time by the lapd without a news conference. >> that's exactly right, tamron. so either people may question whether the news conference is part of what has been a renewed interest in the o.j. simpson case, with a popular serialized show about it, and some desire to tap into that. the lapd, of course, in the original case faced criticism that it was caught up in celebrity culture, that celebrities like o.j. simpson were treated differently. all sorts of those questions may linger for a police department
that has had its own long-standing relationships with hollywood and how police stories are told, going all the way back to drag net, if you will. on the other hand, we don't know what we're about to hear. and i would be, as a lawyer or journalist, fascinated if there actually is potentially some new information that would justify this sort of national, live, television announcement about what they have. it would be, to me, odd to hold a press conference to say we have nothing really new to say and this is a knife that has been previously in custody or reviewed. the other thing i'll note, legally is, while there was a lot of evidence against o.j. simpson and he was legally found not guilty, police departments always have an interest in new clues, even when a new trial has been foreclosed, because you cannot try someone twice for the same crime. >> right. >> but, but, tamron, there were always these arguments, what if someone else did it. well, further evidence that might evolve from an
investigatory perspective is important to the police, regardless of who committed the crime. >> exactly. i host a crime show, we have a whole network based on these kind of things. but let me go back to diane diamond to talk more about o.j.'s life now. i know you've written extensively on his case and many others at the time, but diane, what is his life like now? what do we know about o.j. simpson's existence behind bars? >> i think he's seen as sort of a celebrity, of course, he's o.j. simpson. but before that, he was a famous football player. that counts for a whole lot in the -- behind bars. i understand that he suffers from obesity, that he is pretty sedentary in his life. he's not interested in getting out and really exercising off the extra weight that he's gotten. and he's looking forward to getting out within the next year or so, whether or not that's going to happen is anybody's guess. you know, i'm watching the footage of this news conference, it's about to come up, and i'm
thinking, maybe they're going to just step up there and disavow everything. maybe the lapd learned from the last o.j. simpson case and other cases, of course, when you don't talk to the media, speculation becomes rampant. and that's what happened years ago when i first covered this case. lapd, the district attorney's office, nobody would say anything. they wouldn't confirm anything. they just -- there was this wall of silence. so, perhaps this is the effect of it all of these years later. >> it could be. >> go to the media, tell them, yeah, we've got this knife, we're worried about the chain of custody, we don't really know, there's tests being -- say something rather than nothing and then the story doesn't get away from them. >> again, the timing, again, go back to the fact that you have this mini series that is the bused buzz of social media. and now here we are, the only thing that distracted our eyes from the gop debate last night and all of its extraordinary
nature would be o.j. simpson, of all things, and a potential development in this case that like the gop debate in some strange way, captured all of our attention for good or for bad, and had us discussing the -- >> i'll take the o.j. case any day. >> thank you very much, ari. thank you -- yeah, it's interesting. my colleague, andrea mitchell, is standing by. she's going to pick up our coverage. we're waiting for this news conference to start. we don't know the nature of it. it's all very mysterious at this point. but andrea is standing by to see. and andrea, you heard us there. >> indeed. >> this is like piecing together the puzzle and you have nine pieces out of ten missing. so we're waiting to see what's going on here. >> and we're waiting for this breaking news. thanks, tamron, i know you'll be standing by as well as we all await the news from los angeles. breaking news from los angeles with a news conference expected at any moment, i'm andrea
mitchell in washington. what we're talking about is, of course, the possibility of some development in the o.j. simpson case, back from the murder in 1994. the los angeles police are expected to be having a news conference about a knife that was found, a mysterious knife, and whether it's at all related to the case. it was found by -- turned over to police a number of years ago by a person, a police officer who had been working in the personal property office of the police department. ari melber, our legal correspondent, is on the phone. ari, the implications here, first of all, we don't know whether this knife is relevant. of course, the knife involved, the murder weapon, was never found. there were a number of false leads during the trial, but the knife that was produced by the defense in an envelope at the time was never introduced by the prosecution as evidence. so here we are, all these years later, acquitted on the murder charge. then, of course, he suffered the huge setback in the civil case.
but as we understand the law, ari, and you're the lawyer, he cannot be retried on this, on the underlying case here, because of double jeopardy? >> that's correct. double jeopardy attaches to any not-guilty plea -- excuse me, not guilty verdict. that's the hallmark of our system. so you can be found guilty and appeal, but once you are found not guilty by a jury of your peers, that is the end with regard to that underlying crime. o.j. simpson, of course, wound up in jail for another situation, a robbery. and so in many ways, is practically out of the picture. this is, as i was saying just earlier, remarkable to see this developing press conference, because either there is some new information in a case that has captivated americans for a very long time on issues of race, of domestic violence, of police conduct, how the criminal justice system works. or, andrea, if they don't have anything significant or new to add, then, as has been called into question other times, there's a question as to whether
the lapd is overreacting to media, celebrity, or hollywood itself, that it is no small matter at this very time there's a big mini series on fx that a lot of people arech wh watchingt the o.j. case. so the timing is remarkable. >> that's why we invented cable. >> indeed, it is, ari melber. and i think we have our legal adviser, legal correspondent, as well, karen desoto. karen, if you're on the line, can we talk about what the possible implications are? first of all, we don't know the chain of custody of this knife, that is 15 years later found and turned over to the police. presumably, they will either discuss that and either confirm what the "l.a. times" has reported, or perhaps knock it all down. and it's been suggested this could all be a publicity stunt associated with the new mini series about this case. >> right, well, absolutely, it could be all hype, but what i can tell you is that, obviously,
if this was a police officer within my control, i would be pretty angry and i would be angry because technically, this is tampering with evidence and withholding evidence. so there could be official misconduct. unfortunately, because of the time that's passed by, having any kind of misconduct charges or, i think he may be retired at this time. so there is an issue with the police officer not turning over the knife, which, you know, obviously, his supervisors are going to be a little bit, more than a little bit angry about. obviously, there is no ongoing investigation, but, again, it's evidence. he knew that it was probably evidence, given the fact that he wanted to have it engraved with the case number on it. which is pretty much a no-no on behalf of police officers. that's not how a professional is supposed to act. it should have been turned over and let's see what his superiors
are going to say about that. >> and ari melber, if you're still on the line, let's review, of course, what we all lived through. the o.j. simpson case, which transfixed the nation, which at one point, when he was making his getaway in the white vehicle, became a split-screen moment during a presidential address to a joint session of congress. this nation was transfixed for years by the o.j. simpson case. where is o.j. today? >> o.j. is serving a sentence for a robbery case relating to memorabilia and a sort of violent -- -- off on this case. but, ultimately, the o.j. simpson -- perhaps -- signal -- >> ari melber, i think your
phone is in a bad location. i know we've called out to people in a number of places. kelly o'donnell now joins me. we'll rejoin ari in a moment when his signal gets better. kelly, you were in our l.a. bureau covering this trial. so let's review a little bit of the drama from 1994 and '5. >> what a crazy flashback this is, andrea, because i was there, covering the trial, some days in the courtroom. certainly covering the saga that was o.j. simpson in 1994 and the trial that extended through most of 1995. what is so striking about this is that one of the pressing questions for the prosecution then was trying to establish what was the murder weapon, where was the murder weapon, and could it be tied to o.j. simpson? there were differing theories at the time. one of those was that simpson may have deposited a bag in a trash bin at the airport, and
that perhaps the knife was in there. that was a theory. there was another that he had been on the set of a movie. remember, not only a football player, but an actor in some films. and could he have obtained a knife as a part of a character that he was playing? they looked for different ways to put a knife in the hands of o.j. simpson at that time. and the prosecution was just not able to make that connection. it was clear from the forensic evidence at the time, the type of knife, there were some specifics that any medical examiner would be able to determine to try to help guide prosecutors and law enforcement to determine what type of knife would it be. so that could very much be a part of what law enforcement will talk about, at this news conference, in terms of, does the knife meet some of the sort of forensic requirements that could be a match, or is it not in any way connected to the case? we don't yet know. but culturally, it was such a powerful time. i would spend my entire day working the trial, as a
journalist, and then in the evenings, living in los angeles, everywhere you went, it was the talk of the community. in this ways, for some of the most powerful cultural reasons, it had money, it had race, it had sex, it had celebrity, it had domestic violence, which was brought into the national conversation in a way that it perhaps had not been before. when there were photos of nicole brown simpson, that she had saved, that were purported to depict domestic violence at the hands of o.j. simpson. there was the 911 recordings where you could hear his voice, and at times, simpson's voice in the background. and it gave us a picture that was starkly different than the o.j. simpson that america had known. a very popular figure at that time. someone who was so sort of popular in a broad way, going beyond sports, that he was the pitchman for national companies, like hertz. he was a figure that crossed racial lines and gender lines in
his popularity at the height of that time. and so he was, in many ways, the most unusual criminal defendant in american history. and so, seeing some of these scenes takes me back, so much, andrea, the knife question was always unresolved and it lead into some of the things that the defense and its successful acquittal of o.j. simpson was able to sort of raise questions in the minds of the jury, then. i also remember very definitely the advent of dna. i remember doing a story for the "today" show, where we actually went to a lab, to walk people through the process of what is dna and why is it so powerful. we think of it today, something so clear to people, that they understand what it means, they understand the power of it to prove guilt or exculpatory power. if someone's dna test comes back and it's not a match, we see all the time that law enforcement would look to someone else.
we see people long-imprisoned who are released when dna testing becomes available and are able to be exonerated. then back in 1994, it was a very different time. the science was very different. and i was in the court when the dna testimony was being presented and it was just something that was new to america then. however strong the science was, the prosecution certainly felt that it was, and but it was not something that people understood in their daily lives at that point in the way that we do now. a really big difference. and then, of course, after the acquittal of o.j. simpson, a lot of new evidence came in, in a civil case, which was brought by the family of ronald goldman. his father, sister, who became such common figures in our world at that time. they were very strong advocates for their son and brother. and they brought this case against o.j. simpson in a civil case. and here's another way our lives can be so strange. their lawyer was daniel
petfercheli. a very good lawyer. he won that case. and he presently represents a person named donald trump in the trump university case going on in california. so worlds collide here, andrea. it's a remarkable thing. it was a cultural touch point, it was important in showing some of the divisions of race relations in america and it has remained one of those cases, wherever i go, when people talk about it, it brings back a flood of memories, what people thought at the time, how they viewed simpson in the years since, and then, of course, you can see the man next to him, johnnie cochran, who has passed away, robert kardashian, who has also passed away, who at that time, when i first knew robert kardashian and met his young daughters, who would have known they would have become the kardashians of today, reinventing reality television. so it touches almost every part of our lives, andrea. >> and on the phone now is one
of the defense lawyers, tom mesereau. kelly o'donnell, your memory so fresh and vivid. let's review what we know about this knife. the knife was found by a construction worker around the estate when it was torn down. he turned it over to an lapd officer who he found on the street who happened to be working security on a movie project that was being shot a sort of extra job he was doing on a movie shoot. and it's that police officer who reportedly kept the knife in his possession and only recently upon retirement turned it in. so tom mesereau, first of all, this knife might have some residue on it, i don't know whether it could be tested for dna after being buried and rusted. what would be probative about this? even if your former client doesn't have any double jeopardy? >> first of all, it doesn't mean it's not legitimate. but i think this knife has to be carefully examined. i think the chain of custody, who it came from and who they got it from and who they got it
from has to be carefully examined. but if it's legitimate, it's certainly a very significant development in this particular case. >> because you may recall during the trial, the prosecution thought they had -- initially, the police investigated mr. simpson's home and they missed what was a knife behind one of the cupboards, as i recall. the prosecution tried to claim that he had purchased a knife at a cutlery store in downtown los angeles, and their efforts to prove that turned out not to be very, very good. the defense obtained this knife that was behind the cupboard, they then presented it to, what is called a special -- they presented it to the trial judge, who then wanted it to go to what is called a special master to preserve it and take care of it. and to make a long story short, in the end, nobody thought they really had the knife. so if this -- and of course,
there were rumors that people had taken his luggage at l.a.x., that had the knife and the bloody clothes. but if this really is the knife, it's very significant. because, one of the things the defense was always saying was, you know, you have no bloody clothes. you have no knife, where could he have put them? you don't -- this is part of the problem with the prosecution's case. so if this really is a knife that all of the forensics and all of the investigation and all of the evidence suggests was the murder weapon, it's very significant. >> and how important do you think, to the case, and we misspoke, by the way. you were involved in the michael jackson case, not the o.j. simpson case -- >> no. >> but in terms of having -- not having a murder weapon, how important, do you think, was that to the acquittal -- i think
the news conference -- mr. mesereau, i apologize. captain andy newman now of the lapd. >> i'm here this morning to give you a little more information about stories that have been going around regarding an alleged knife that may have been recovered, possibly in connection to the o.j. simpson case. so this is what we know. about -- within the last month, lapd became aware of an item that was allegedly recovered by a citizen at the rockingham property, possibly during the demolition of the site. we need to vet that. we still don't know if that's an accurate account of how this item came into our possession. the actual item is described as a knife. i'm not going to go into a description of the knife, because that could be germane to determining whether or not this actual piece of evidence is, in fact, evidence or it's just a
facsimile or made-up story. so we need to look into that. and our robbery/homicide is going to look into that. so what i can tell you is that the story, as it's told to us, by the person we received it from, and the person that we received this knife from is a retired lapd officer, who retired back in the late '90s. he was a motor officer, and at the time, according to him, he was working an off-duty, which is -- he was working a movie job, which a lot of our officers do on an off-duty basis, as well as our retired officers. so i do not know whether he was retired at the time that he allegedly received this item from the person who claimed they found it on the property. or whether he was still, in fact, an lapd officer, and retired some time after that. so we are looking into that. the bottom line is that with all cases that remain open, such as the o.j. simpson and other murder cases and robbery cases,
unless there's an actual arrest or conviction to prove that we have actually closed the case, the cases remain open. that is where we are with the o.j. simpson case. and i shouldn't say the o.j. simpson case. this is the nicole brown case. this is a double homicide that is still open and ongoing. so the investigators will continue to look at this. that item has been recovered by robbery/homicide investigators. it is being treated as we would all evidence. so it has been submitted to our lab. they are going to study it and examine it for all forensics, including serology and dna and hair samples, and that is ongoing as we speak. so i can take a couple of questions, but may not be able to answer all your questions. >> can you give us your reaction -- allegations -- your
reaction [ inaudible ] what many would describe the biggest murder in all of l.a. history, what's your reaction --? >> well, i was really surprised. i would think that an lapd officer, if this story is accurate, as we are being told, would know that anytime you are -- you come into contact with evidence, that you should and shall submit that to investigators. so i don't know what the circumstances are, why that didn't happen, or if that's entirely accurate, or if this whole story is possible bogus from the get-go, involving a variety of people. so we are looking into that. but i was quite shocked. so in terms of charges, the officer is retired. so in terms of administrative charges with the department, we'll look into that, but at this point, i don't believe there are any administrative charges that could be filed, because he's no longer an employee of the department. in terms of criminal allegations, robbery/homicide and our investigators will look
into if there are any potentiality of criminal charges related to this. >> -- the condition it's in, how long the knife is, if you've encountered anything on it? >> i don't have that information and the investigators be ask that we not be very descriptive about the knife. so they haven't actually told me so i don't accidentally tell you. and for obvious reasons, we need to one, first of all, determine is this evidence and if it's not evidence, how do we prove one way or another that it's not? and the only way we can do that is by being able to challenge the people involved as to what the -- where it was recovered, how long where it was alleged to have been, et cetera. >> can you at least say whether or not it was a machete or a kitchen knife or a penknife? >> my understanding that it is a knife, so it's not a machete. so kshz -- >> captain, does double jeopardy apply here? if o.j. has been tried -- retried -- even given
incriminating evidence, dna evidence is found on the knife? >> i'm not an attorney, but it's my understanding for being a police officer for nearly 30 years is that double jeopardy would be in place here. so we could not charge mr. simpson with the homicides that he's already been charged, because he's been acquitted. >> how long will the investigation of the forensics take? >> it depends. it depends what kind of evidence they are able to glean from the item, but we are working on that and obviously there's a lot of attention to this. so we are interested in finding out as quickly as possible, so we can put this story to rest or confirm something. >> do you plan on reaching out to o.j.? >> can you describe how he got the knife and how he turned it over to police? >> so, as i'm told, the off-duty or retired officer was working in the area of the rockingham estate, and he claimed that an individual who claimed to be a construction worker provided him with this knife, claiming that it was found on the property. so, he held on to it until just recently, when we discovered that he had it, and we have now
recovered it within the last month. >> how long ago -- >> -- reach out to o.j. at all? >> that may be part of the investigation, but i don't know. >> do you plan to go back to the property -- further investigations --? >> there will be plenty of additional investigation. i don't know where that will lead our investigators. now, that property, as many of you know, has been demolished and rebuilt, so i don't know if they will be going back there, but certainly, they will look into all options. let me go over here. >> what year was the knife recovered? >> we're not going to provide the exact dates, because, again, that could go to our investigators either proving or disproving the legitimacy of this item and where it came from and who was involved. >> where, exactly, on the property was it found? >> i don't know that. >> was it the only knife that has been recovered or are there other knives that have been turned in? >> yeah, i don't have that information. >> what was his explanation for holding it for so long? >> it's my understanding that he
believed that it was -- that the case was closed. which, again, is a possibility, that he had that misunderstanding. so, again, as i explained at the beginning, any case that is not -- where we don't have a conviction on all of the charges or we're not able to prove to our satisfaction that we have proved the facts of the case remains an open case. and that is the case here. >> he's an l.a. police officer, he didn't know to turn it in? >> i don't know what his statement is. that's the information we have at this time. but i'm sure we'll look into that further. >> are you releasing the name of the officer? >> we are not releasing his name at this time. >> the name of the person who found the knife initially? >> we don't. we'll be looking for that. so i would ask the public. so if you're seeing this story and you believe you are that individual that provided this knife, we would love to have you contact our robbery/homicide division and we would get more information from you then. >> is there a possible
obstruction of justice by not turning the knife in? >> i don't know. we'll look into any potentiality of any criminal charges that may be involved here. >> is it true that he tried to turn in the knife at one point and investigators told him [ inaudible ]? >> i don't know that. yeah. >> captain, how much does dna evidence degrade over time and is it possible there's anything usable on it? >> i'm not a forensic expert, but it's my understanding that depending on where an item is kept and how it's stored and maintained that it's possible to get dna, you know, i mean, look at what we do forensically with our natural history, you know, and discovery of items that are very old. so, we're hopeful. if this is involved, our investigators will submit to the labs that are very good at what they do and we'll see. >> how long are you looking at until after the testing that you guys start to see any type of dna analysis? >> well, it depends on the type of testing and the condition of the forensics that we -- if we discover any forensics.
so there's a lot of processes, and again, i'm not a scientist, so, we have folks that are experts in that, and they'll do everything in their power to maintain that and produce anything that is producible. >> apologies if you've already mentioned this, but can you talk about how lapd found out about this right now? >> so it was brought to our attention that this retired officer had an item that was believed to be or alleged to have been taken from the rockingham estate back in the '90s and that's how, once we learned about that, we fold up and recovered it from him. >> -- the lapd? >> i don't know how the contact was made, but we discovered it is and our investigators immediately followed up on that. >> can you tell us what the report is of how the knife was found? >> that i don't know. i don't know where it was recovered or how it was reported to have been recovered. >> are any of the original case detectives [ inaudible ]?
>> well, when a case is remains open, it is handed off to a special team. our open case team. and that is who is it at robbery/homicide. so they would not have been the original investigators on this case. and that happens in many cases that go on for years. we have, you know, a number of cases that are still open, you know, from decades ago, where the officers and investigators are certainly retired by now. so -- >> captain -- >> last question. >> the retired officer, was he retired back at the time he received the item? >> we're still trying -- i don't have that information. we're trying to determine that. what his status was when the item was allegedly handed to him. whether he was, in fact, retired or retired shortly after that. all i can tell you is that he did retire in the late '90s. and i'm not sure when this item was actually -- came into his possession. >> and he was working on -- >> yeah. a lot of our officers work, you see them around the community in los angeles and elsewhere. typically, they're on lapd motorcycles -- or not lapd
motorcycles, they work on moving bikes that look like lapd officers and they are in lapd uniforms. that is by an agreement with the city and with the department that they work those jobs, for traffic safety, for the safety of the public. so it's my understanding he was working one of those jobs as a motor officer for the job. so he would, in any case, be off-duty, whether he was retired or still employed by lapd, but in an off-duty capacity. >> what's his name? >> we're not providing his name at this time. okay. thank you very much. >> there you heard it, that was andy newman, the police officer announcing that they are still investigating, they are testing this knife. what he said was that the knife was turned over and that it came from a retired lapd officer, who had been working off-duty on a movie location as many lapd officers do, on a movie shoot across from the rockingham estate. the o.j. simpson estate.
that the knife, he would not describe it, he says it's a knife, not a machete, that it still may have dna that's going to be tested. it's being sent to thor e serol labs and to be tested for hair and other dna evidence. but he says this is still an open case, not a closed case, the double murder of nicole brown simpson and ronald goldman. but that it is not properly described as the o.j. simpson case, because he was acquitted of that case and cannot be retried under those specific charges under double jeopardy. kelly o'donnell still with us. kelly, you covered the case. this is intriguing. we don't know the chain of custody. obviously, a lot of questions about this weapon and whether it is even involved. but clearly, he also said, captain newman that certainly an lapd officer, current or retired at the time, should have known that this was potentially something that should have been turned in immediately, not all these years later. >> and i can only hear the late
johnnie cochran, who would have challenged the idea that a law enforcement officer would not have turned in anything that he thought might be probative value. but let's do the timeline here. the rockingham estate was demolished in 1998, about three years ago after the acquittal. and it is such a prime piece of property in a very tony section of los angeles, brentwood, that the person that bought the property did not want to live in the same house, which had attracted so much attention. i spent a lot of times outside that green gate when we were covering the case. so they demolished. so 1998, if the story is that it was part of the construction site and it was unearthed at that time, perhaps that gives us a timeline where an officer or a retired officer might have thought, this is old information, it is a done deal, and therefore, there's also the element of, could it have been kind of a macabre souvenir, which sometimes happens.
and of course it reminds me of what made it such a compelling case to begin with, when we hear in a news conference with law enforcement, really only in l.a. where you talk about the kind of organized way that officers are used for the movie business. and so that gives us a sense of why the officer might have been there, why something might have been passed off to him. at the same time, all of the evidence collection that was done shortly after june 12th, 1994 at the simpson property, they were certainly looking for a knife. and it does raise the question, if it had been there, why didn't they find it? could it have been buried? all of those questions remain open and very intriguing. andrea? >> kelly o'donnell with an incredible memory. thank you so much. and andrew blankstein, nbc news investigative reporter was a former l.a. crime reporter at the time. anything you want to add to this as we shut down this intriguing new development on the o.j. simpson case all these years later? >> you know, kelly referenced it earlier, andrea.
there was a teardown of that house and there were a lot of construction workers around. sources are telling me, obviously, when you look at this potential weapon that, you know, that there were a lot of people around, it could have been left behind. there's a healthy amount of skepticism. obviously, the tests will tell the tale here. but when we're talking about this, it stirs up a lot of intrigue, but this came to them in the last month. the officer or the retired officer who was working the movie shoot came into possession of this knife about a little over a decade ago. so, yes, there's a lot of questions about why -- and also, whether this story is legitimate that he's related to authorities. but why he waited so long and whether this is, in fact,
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think before it's all said and done, i'll be the nominee. >> can you definitively say tonight that you will definitely support the republican nominee for president, even if it's not you? >> even if it's not me? yes, i will. >> chuck todd is nbc's political director. of course, the moderator of "meet the press," most of msnbc's "mtp daily" and joins me now. can we say that only o.j. simpson would have knocked donald trump off of the news today? >> it's only -- there's -- that's all you need to know. o.j. and donald trump. if you want to stop trump, apparently more o.j. news. >> so donald trump not coming to cpac, the conservative political action committee. that's a big deal -- >> well, look what he's doing instead. >> instead. >> honestly -- >> mccomb county. >> but he's going to be in witchta tomorrow for the caucus, kansas caucus, going to orlando later that night. that's probably better spent time for trump. i mean, let's -- >> where the voters are. >> cpac this year, it's timing right now in the middle of all
of this. it's just not -- i understand why presidential candidates are going, you know what, i'm going to try to fit it in, but rallies are going to take precedent. i -- it would have been weird if he wasn't doing it, if he wasn't doing anything else other than that. but to do what he's doing, it makes perfect sense to me. >> let's talk about donald trump's reaction to mitt romney, which was the extraordinary speech yesterday. >> unexpected reaction. >> let's play that. >> mitt is a failed candidate. he failed. he failed horribly. i backed him, you can see how loyal he is. he was begging for my endorsement. i could have said, mitt, drop to your knees, he would have dropped to his knees. he was begging for -- he was begging me. >> well, that's keeping the level up. this is mitt romney with matt lauer on the "today" show, exclusively today. >> under any circumstances would you be a part of this presidential race as a
candidate? >> there are no circumstances i can foresee where that would possibly happen. but let me say something else -- >> "i can foresee"? >> no reasonable scenario can i imagine. >> just slam the door on it, close the door, unambiguous. you will not run for president? >> i'm not running for president and i won't run for president. >> he's not running, he won't run, under any foreseeable circumstances. that's not sherman-like. that's not if -- that's not -- >> if nominated i will not run, if elected, i will not serve. that's the natural follow-up, i'm sure we'll see mitt romney on some television over the next few days. so that specific way to ask -- >> he doesn't want to run, and understand belie, who would want to run in this election at this time. but if we got to the scenario of a contested convention, and i want to go through delegate numbers with you, obviously, on the second ballot, and depends on who's in charge of the credentials committee -- >> there's a lot of ifs there. >> there's a lot of ifs there. >> anybody could be turned to. >> but the reality is, the likelihood for a contested
convention, we're sitting at somewhere about, i'd say, 30 to 40% chance right now. >> so let's see why. >> okay. >> donald trump right now, let's go through the numbers. he holds an 88-delegate lead. >> that's right. right now, 88 delegates. he's won overall 45% of available delegates up to now. so we use that as sort of our baseline to at least get you to how many delegates he will have before march 15th. but what all of these delegate scenarios tell you is that donald trump -- florida and ohio are not luxuries for him. they're necessities. okay? he has to win, at least one of them. and i could argue -- >> march 15th. -- he needs to win both. they're the winner-take-all states. if he wins both, this is the delegate number the day after, he's at 741. all he has to do is win 50 remaining delegates. and under this scenario, kasich's out because he would have lost ohio and rubio's out because he would have lost florida. so it's just him and cruz, winning 50% of the delegates,
not a difficult circumstance. he's well on the way to doing this without a contested convention. but if he loses both florida and ohio. this is if kasich wins ohio and rubio wins florida. then you have a muddled mess. at that point, donald trump has to win 67% of all remaining delegates, under this scenario. so the point is, if he wins one or the other, by the way, he needs to win 57%. that's doable. difficult, but that is realistic, at least. and it probably would be a three-way race for a while. let's say, because he's -- i think ohio is the hardest one for trump to win, right now, i think he's ahead in florida. it's neck and neck. i think kasich has a decent shot at holding serve in ohio. because of all the candidates that are running that are current elected official, only one didn't see his approval rating go down and that's been john kasich. cruz saw it go down in texas, rubio saw it go down in florida, christie saw it crater -- you know, go down in new jersey. but kasich's held up pretty
well. i think he can win ohio. but one state, at that point, if trump can do it, he can get there without a contested convention, but if he doesn't win either one, it's going to be a contested convention. >> wow. and this weekend, there are five republican primaries or caucuses. democrats -- >> they're all closed. it's very interesting, meaning that no independents can participate. only registered republicans. now, in the deep south, we know that donald trump has strength. louisiana, he should do pretty well. it's possible, though, that trump and non-trump, if you do the delegates that way, basically is one for one this weekend. that, you know, trump doesn't net -- and if anything, maybe cruz actually -- he should do -- have a good weekend. he could actually inch up and maybe close the gap, ever so slightly, but then, tuesday is going to be a big day for trump, i think, because michigan's an open primary. democrats and independents can participate. and mississippi is semi-open. and we've seen what he did in alabama and tennessee and other neighboring states. so he's likely to roll there.
so he will probably increase his delegate lead on march 9th. >> and let's just briefly mention that the democrats, you've got hillary clinton in michigan today. >> right. >> but they're acknowledging, they're trying to lower expectations for michigan. >> well, they think they could lose. >> they think they could lose michigan. >> but guess who their best asset is? >> donald trump. >> donald trump. because he's going to take those angry working class voters -- >> he could take some sanders' voters. and that's going -- this is the first time we've really seen sanders and trump. they are appealing to the same group of voters, who have to decide which ballot to vote on. and i think it will be interesting. i can't wait to sort of dive into that exit poll. because i think if sanders loses, that means -- my guess is trump's victory margin is wider than people think. if sanders wins, my guess is that the trump margin is -- >> and it tells you something about trump's crossover strength in any general election matchup. >> i think michigan -- when we're looking at trump's potential strength and where he could improve the map for republicans, michigan,
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had so many heated confrontations last night, their target was hillary clinton, who tweeted back, how many more of these do we have to sit through, asking for a friend. she does still face a more immediate hurdle. of course, the continuing justice department investigation into her private server. the staffer, brian pag leeano told the fbi what he knows during interviews that were conducted during december and january. and joining me now, you had to listen to a lot of testimony on all of these issues over these months and years. bottom line, according to what i have been told, as well, mr. pagliano testified that there had been routine spamming blasts during the time he was in charge of the server, none seemed link to any foreign servers, he didn't do forensics, but there was no indication there was a penetration of her private
server. that said, the state department system, which the state department and the clinton team has been pointing out, the state department system was penetrated by russia, we understand, by others, and had to be shut down last june. so that's their defense of the security soft private system. acknowledging that it should never have been a private system. >> well, that's right. and i can't comment as to whether or not that's correct about the private server, whether there were unsuccessful phishing attacks. but if that turns out to be the case, it's ironic that the state department server was penetrated and the private server wasn't. but nonetheless, i think the state department is doing exactly what they should. they're going through the materials and trying to determine, was anything compromised? do any steps need to be taken to mitigate any now-classified information that may have gotten out into the public sphere? that's what they should be doing. they're doing it privately. they're doing it without a lot of leaks, and i give them enormous credit for that. because you can imagine when this inquiry is done, people will criticize it, no matter
what they do. so from all i can see, they're acting very professionally. >> now, james comey has a lot of street cred, the fbi director. in fact, when i interviewed former attorney general, michael mukasey, who was very critical, in fact, yesterday, and said that there were a lot of -- that there's a lot of legal jeopardy potentially for hillary clinton. he disagrees with a lot of other legal experts. he was an adviser to the jeb bush campaign, so he's not completely non-partisan observer. but that said, he said if james comey comes out and says there's nothing here and we don't have to prosecute, he would buy that, because of comey's reputation for impartiality. >> well, and it's a well-deserved reputation. i think throughout his long service, he has demonstrated a willingness to stand up, even to his own bosses when that was necessary. he is very independent. he has been, you know, i think a strong voice in the encryption debate, whatever people think. i think they feel there's a lot of integrity to his position. so i think he is a very good
steward of an incredibly difficult and likely to be politicized investigation. >> now, i know that you're in hillary clinton's corner, but you're a former prosecutor yourself, from l.a. at this stage, what is the legal jeopardy here? there's a political -- there's obviously political jeopardy, anytime you're talking about this stuff. it's not what she wants to be talking about. what's the legal jeopardy for her or some of her closest ai aides? >> you know, honestly, i don't think there's much legal jeopardy here, if you're talking about a series of e-mails, none of which were marked classified at the time, and frankly, many of which are being classified retroactively, they weren't even classified at the time, it's hard to make any kind of a case that there should be some criminal charge under those circumstances. i know people are comparing it to the case with general petraeus, but that was a case of intentionally providing highly classified information, known to be classified at the time, to someone writing a biography. very different circumstance here. so, you know, i think the fbi is doing their due diligence. they have to. i wouldn't read much into the
fact they gave a limited immunity to mr. pagliano, that's what they should do to make sure they dot every "i," cross every "t," look under every stone. but there's no indication to me that this is going to go much farther. >> congressman adam schiff, thank you so much. thanks for being with us today. meanwhile, donald trump fighting mitt romney and the republican establishment such as it is, tooth and nail. but he is not the only one. ted cruz only moments ago criticized the idea of a brokered convention, which could keep his rival from landing the nomination. >> a brokered convention is the pipe dream of the washington establishment. they're frustrated. all of their chosen candidates, all of their golden child candidates aren't winning. if the washington dealmakers tried to steal the nomination from the people, i think it would be a disaster. it would cause a revolt. >> the hits keep on coming from donald trump today. >> romney's a bitter man, he
looks like a bitter man, he's attacking, really, your front-runner, by a lot. and he wanted to run. and he was going to run. and i put up with it long enough. and i said, look, you can't let him run. he's a choke artist. he choked the last time. do you ever see in sports, once a choker, always a choker. when you miss the kick one year, you miss the kick the next year. >> i'm joined now by republican strategist and columnist for "the hill," john fieri, and chris cillizza, founder of the fix blog. what is the impact of mitt romney? >> i think it helps trump, probably gets all the billionaires kind of to the side to give money. otherwise, i don't think it helps romney at all. romney is kind of laying out there he might be to be the presidential contender, which is ridiculous. he lost last anytime. i think trump's comments that he's a loser actually resonate with a lot of republicans. not the ones that were billionaires. but i don't think it hurts trump at all.
>> i'm with john. i thought trump's response was, this guy lost a very winnable election. which, frankly, if you go and interview 100 republicans ton street, lots and lots of them will tell you that. many of them might not be trump voters, but they will agree with that sentiment. i think a lot of people don't like the idea, oh, now mitt romney is going to weigh in and tell us what to think. he's not changing any minds. maybe he gets some major donors off the sidelines, but money has not mattered that much in this election. donald trump repeatedly spent -- if money mattered, jeb bush would be the nominee. >> this is the earned media and social media campaign, and it's changed all their campaigns for the future. >> so, john fieri, you're supporting kasich, as i understand? >> listen, i'm supporting someone who can beak hillary. i'm not officially on anyone's team. i like john kasich a lot. i've known him for a long time and i think he would make an excellent president. >> and he had a good night last night, as much attention as he got, he was the grown-up in the room.
he's got ohio coming up march 15th and he says he's going to win ohio. and obviously, if he doesn't win ohio, it's all over for john kasich. what is the likelihood he can win ohio? >> i think it's pretty much a toss-up. and i think that he's got to get those trump supporters who, you know, seem to love trump in michigan. i mean, it's largely the same type of state. and i think john kasich's biggest problem is the perception that he's kind of like a jon huntsman. he's got to be a lot more republican and he's got to kind of have his blue-collar roots show a lot more if he wants to connect with the trump voters. >> and what about this contested convention possibility? chuck was putting it at about 80%, if trump doesn't win either or both ohio and florida. >> i love that segment. because i think it lays out exactly the realities. there's only two options at this point. there is donald trump getting to 1,237 delegates and there is no one getting to that number but donald trump being the delegate leader. there's really no other scenario there. if he does not win ohio and
florida, as chuck laid out, it is very difficult for the numbers, because he would have to win two-thirds of the rest of the delegates. i think that's unlikely. that said, this assumption that you go into an open -- let's not say "brokered," because brokered suggests there are brokers, and we know there are not. if you go into an open convention with donald trump in the delegate lead and all of a sudden it's like, okay, we'll move this thing around and we'll put mitt romney in here. i think that's very -- i think the trump people and the trump supporters, of which there are legion, will go -- >> talk about a rebellion. >> i mean, it will be a giant -- it's just going to work out. we'll get to a convention and just work it out. >> chaos in cleveland. >> it's very, very dangerous to try to steal this from trump in a convention. >> yep. >> very, very dangerous p. >> we'll have to leave it there. i covered the last contested convention in '76 in kansas city, and it was chaos even there, but this would be -- >> a great story for a political reporter, bad story if you're a republican. >> full employment. chris cillizza and john feehery,
thank you so much. now back to our breaking news earlier in the show on the o.j. simpson case. kelly o'donnell with a quick update. she's been following this case for years. >> yes, andrea, and what we've learned today, there could be a tantalizing new clue that may shed light on what happened in 1994, with o.j. simpson, his ex-wife, nicole brown simpson, and her friend, ronald goldman. throughout these years, a murder weapon has never been found. now l.a. authorities say they are in possession of a knife given to them by a retired officer who claims he was given the knife by someone at a construction site when simpson's home was demolished in 1998, three years after his acquittal. they're going to do testing. they're not certain if the story is real or not, or if it's a part of the movie magic that is so much a part of los angeles. it comes at a time when a new cable series documenting the case has renewed interest in the o.j. simpson case. simpson himself remains incarcerated in nevada on unrelated charges. back to you, andrea.
>> kelly o'donnell, extraordinary. thanks so much. and that does it for this friday edition of andrea mitchell reports. remember, follow the show online on facebook and on twitter @mitchellreports. msnbc's craig melvin picks up all the news, next live from cincinnati. e*trade is all about seizing opportunity. and i'd like to... cut. so i'm gonna take this opportunity to direct. thank you, we'll call you. evening, film noir, smoke, atmosphere... bob... you're a young farmhand and e*trade is yr cow. milk it. e*trade is all about seizing opportunity. legalzoom has your back. for your business, our trusted network of attorneys has provided guidance to over 100,000 people just like you. visit legalzoom today. the legal help you can count on. legalzoom. legal help is here.
i am totally blind. i lost my sight in afghanistan. if you're totally blind, you may also be struggling with non-24. calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com. i'm craig melvin live in cincinnati, ohio. before we get into politics, we want to bring you the latest on that breaking news we've been following here at msnbc. the lapd confirming that they are testing a knife recovered on the property once owned by o.j. simpson. >> the bottom line is that with all cases that remain open such as the o.j. simpson and other robbery and murder cases, unless there's an actual arrest and conviction to prove that we have actually closed the case, the cases remain open. that is the -- where we are with the o.j. simpson case. and i shouldn't say the o.j.
simpson case. this is the nicole brown case. this is a double homicide that is still open and ongoing. so, the investigators will continue to look at this. that item has been recovered by robbery/homicide investigators. it is being treated, as we would all evidence. so it has been submitted to our lab. they are going to study it and examine it for all forensics, including serology and dna and hair samples and that is ongoing as we speak. >> is hea head-scratching turn events on this friday afternoon. kelly o'donnell covered the o.j. simpson trial nearly two decades ago. it was probably one of her first assignments and she joins us now from the d.c. bureau. walk us through what happens now. >> what's so interesting about this, it comes at a time when
the o.j. simpson case is getting sort of renewed interest because of a cable television series that is based on the book "the people versus o.j. simpson" by a journalist who was in the courtroom every day and that has had many people kind of looking back at the case. it has always remained a sort of enduring question because of all the elements that were there with celebrity and race and murder, of course. and what we have now is a piece of potential evidence. and i think we have to be really cautious about, does this actually have any link to the case? in the case itself, there was no murder weapon found. both victims, nicole browne simpson, simple's ex-wife, her friend, ronald goldman, were stabbed to death. so a knife would have been critical and important evidence during the criminal trial or even in the civil case in which simpson was found liable. acquitted in the criminal case, found liable in the civil case. and he had a judgment against him of more than $30 million, which has not been paid.
so questions that need to be asked. would this knife fit the description of the type of injuries the victims suffered? that would be one question. is there any dna material that could be tested to determine if there is anything that would connect it to the victims or to simpson himself? that would be interesting. or the possibility of some other perpetrator. as you know, simpson often said he was going to look for the real killer. and of course, over time, that never really materialized. another question is, why now? so, i wonder, frankly, if the tv series and the attention about that might have prompted someone to come forward. would authorities say today is that this knife was submitted to them within the last month by a former officer, a los angeles police officer, now retired, who according to the story, and they're not certain these facts will line up, was given the knife by someone who was work at a construction site. now, o.j. simpson's mansion that
you see at that time in the pictures there became so iconic and not for a good reason, that when the property was ultimately sold and he moved to florida, which was more advantageous for his ability to live off of his nfl pension and not the taxes in california and for the other sort of social and cultural reasons where he had sort of been reviled in los angeles, he sold the property. and the person who purchased it in a very, very expensive exclusive part of los angeles known as brentwood, he decided to tear it down and build a new home there. so that's what happened. and during the course of that demolition, as the story we're learning today goes, a knife is recovered. well, you can certainly be sure that there was an attempt back in 1994, to look for a knife inside the home, on the grounds. as you may recall, or if you're just learning about the case for the first time, there was a blood trail that connected simpson's brentwood home with the murder scene, which was nicole brown simpson's condo
about a block away. there was blood on simpson's socks, which became a critical part, because the defense challenged in the minds of the jurors whether that evidence was legitimate or not. and there was blood in simpson's bronco, which became iconic in itself because of the famous freeway slow-speed chase, which sort of put the o.j. simpson case into a whole another realm in which popular krr and a criminal case sort of collided, as people watched that on television. so, craig, it sort of reminds those of us who lived through it of some very challenging and interesting times. and for those who are being introduced to the case, it is a curious new development that is in perhaps part of our sort of social media world, which did not exist then, and i'm sure that this is going to get a lot of attention. is it legitimately connected? is it a hoax? is it a question that just needs to be answered? very intriguing. it will be interesting to see what investigators in los angeles are able to determine about the knife itself and if
there's any testable material that could answer these questions. of course, the bottom line here is that simpson was acquitted, so he cannot be retried for these murders, but it might close some of the enduring questions in people's minds about the case, if in fact it does connect him. there's also the case of, how would you determine if it belonged to simpson? the chain of custody, which would have been so important in a criminal case, of course, now we've got time and distance and other individuals involved. so it's not a legal matter so much as it seems to be more of a cultural matter if they can find anything about this that connects it to the case. craig? >> kelly, we know it's apparently a small, old buck knife. do we know anymore about the condition of this knife? >> we do not. and in particular, the officer who was talking about it at a press conference wanted to be careful to limit details at this
point, because that would be a part of two things. trying to vet if the story brought to them by a retired officer has merit, does it line up? and is there any connection to the case, or is there anything that would tell us the history, the age, the sort of specifics of this particular knife. a smaller knife does match with any memory, because there was one theory that simpson may have gone to the property of his ex-wife, to slash tires. that that might have been a reason to do that. there had been a lot of evidence suggesting he had been stalking her. that was not evidence placed in trial, but was part of the conversation that was going on then and in the years since. the wounds would certainly tell a story. and there would be a forensic record of the case that would tell us about the severity of the stabbing. and it was vicious and it was brutal and i was at the murder
scene not long after the jury did what's known as a jury visit, where they went to simpson's home, which we're looking at video of, the rockingham mansion, and the murder scene, which was nicole brown simpson's condominium. and i was there at the time the jury, shortly after the time the jury was able to see the scene and it was a very confined space. inside of a gate, which was a typical residential security gate. and in sort of a garden area, immediately outside of her residence and. and at the time, as i recall, part of the violence of it was that even a small knife in a confined space could be incredibly damaging. and the wounds to her were massive. and the wounds to ronald goldman were very, very significant. and so a knife is a key unanswered question, is this it? we'll have to wait for more study and more analysis. but in the time between now and then, a lot of imaginations will be filled with new questions. craig? >> no doubt, indeed. kelly o'donnell, who covered, of
course, the o.j. simpson murder trial 20 years ago. kelly, stay put for me. i want to bring in harvey levin at this point. harvey, of course, founder of tmz. they broke this story a few hours ago. harvey, at this point, we know that this retired lapd officer turned over the knife. what do we know about how he came to get this knife? >> so here's what we reported. and i'm confident this is true. on the -- the officer was working off-duty, on rockingham, across the street from o.j.'s house in a movie shoot at a house across the street. a construction worker came across the street and said to the guy, i just found this knife. it was a folding buck knife. and he said, it was buried on the perimeter of the property. they were in the middle of doing demolition on the simpson property, and simpson had sold it by then, but they were doing demolition, and he said he found
this knife buried. handed it to the officer and said, here, thinking that the officers would turn it in. the officer took it home, never turned it in. and years later, and when i say years, i'm talking in late january of this year, just a month and a half ago, the officer called a buddy of his and said, i want to get this thing framed, because it's really cool, i want to get the dr number, the record number of the actual case. and the guy at robbery/homicide said, you got to be kidding me, right? you have a knife that was found and you didn't turn it in? now, i am told that the brass, everybody was pissed off at this officer. and they called him up and they demanded the knife back. now, i will tell you, i have heard this now from multiple people, this officer did not want to give it up. and they said, you don't give it up, we'll get a search warrant against you, and at that point he gave it up. the lapd has the knife now. they eyed it and they say there
could be blood on it, they're not sure. it's very rusty and weathered. but right now, it is being tested in an area called organic, in the lab, for fingerprints and hair. next week it goes to serology, where they're going to look for dna. >> timetable on when we might know a little bit more about precisely what, if anythin preci precisely what, if anything's, on the knife? >> well, they're going to look next week. but this knife is a really old. even if it shows a combination of nicole's blood, o.j.'s blood, and ron's blood, it doesn't matter, because o.j. was found not guilty and can never be prosecuted against. i'm convinced that o.j. simpson murdered ron and nicole, but the interesting thing to me is, who got rid of his clothes, who got rid of his shoes, who got rid of the knife? and it would certainly be interesting if there is some
evidence on that knife as to maybe a friend or family member, even, or somebody who might have buried it. and that to me is the most interesting part. >> harvey, why did this officer, or do you even know why this officer would take the knife home 12 years ago? >> well -- >> did he just want the keepsake? >> that's what i'm told. it was cool. and now, look, i am told that the lapd just thinks he's an idiot. and that he should not have -- you know, it's obvious that this should have been turned in. yet i talked to somebody this morning over there and they said, look, his thing was that he figured o.j. was found not guilty so the case was over. and he figured, what's it going to do to the lapd? now, i think that's a way of doing summomersaults around they of keeping this knife. they're not going to do anything to this guy, but that's his story. >> any possible legal consequences for this officer? >> no. like i said, he's retired, so
there's no internal affairs or anything, discipline, nothing like that. and there's -- look, the guy is saying, i didn't realize that it was significant. o.j. had already been found not guilty. so what's the point? again, i think it's a ridiculous point. but that's his point, and i was told nothing's going to happen to him. >> harvey levin, founder of tmz, who broke the story a few hours ago. the los angeles police department saying they are testing a knife that was found on o.j. simpson's property. according to harvey here, we should know a little bit more in the next few weeks with regard to testing. this is a small, old buck knife. retired police officer apparently finally turned it in about a month and a half ago. the pictures that you are looking at right now, that brentwood mansion that became, again, so iconic before, during, and even after the murder trial back in 1995, that mansion has since been razed. but there has been a great deal of renewed interest in this
case, of course, since the launch of that o.j. simpson mini series that has been on the air here for the past few weeks. but, again, the lapd saying that they are looking at this knife, reportedly found at o.j. simpson's house. we'll continue to follow this story. but when we come back, we turn back to politics. to the race for president. we are here at the coffee emporium in cincinnati, ohio. a very busy friday on the campaign trail. donald trump canceling an appearance at a prominent political action conference. we'll talk about that. meanwhile, continued fallout from last night's fiery gop debate in detroit, as the republican establishment continues its attack on trump. any minute now, ohio governor john kasich, he is set to take the stage at cpac there in maryland. the ohio governor down five in the most recent polling. he has said he will likely drop out if he loses his home state. the winner-take-all gop primary happening here in ohio in 11
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so far? >> um, it's kind of ridiculous, really? >> really? >> it's a little absurd. i used to teach middle school, and i feel like that's what i'm watching. >> i don't enjoy so much the attacking. i like to talk about real issues. because really, they didn't cover anything. there's a lot of attacking trump, and that's all it's about right now. >> that was hotelman's barbershop -- excuse me, donut shop, about three blocks from here. if you ever go in there, you should try the glaze with the bacon bits on top. about 600 calories. anyway, donald trump expected to take the stage there in cadillac, michigan. trump holding a rally there. another packed house. we learned just before the broadcast that the gop front-runner will not be attending the cpac conference that is currently underway outside washington. he was expected to be one of the keynote speakers tomorrow. nbc's jacob rascon is following the trump campaign. he is there in warren, michigan, again with that rally happened.
he was at a rally this morning. jacob, has the campaign given a response for the cpac absence yet? >> right, craig. they said that a rally in kansas tomorrow morning and then move on to orlando. so they've added events and that is the reason they say that donald trump will not be speaking there. he thanked the cpac leaders and said he hoped to return next year, as president, but cpac, for its part, put out a notice, a tweet saying that they are disappointed in donald trump, that he would cancel at the last minute, and they say that this stan sends, for them, a clear message to conservatives. so looks like another fight between the conservative movement leaders or the establishment against donald trump. everybody sort of ganging up. but for the campaign's part, they want to add a rally in kansas, of course, holding an important caucus tomorrow, to get out his message, even more than he has. here in michigan, where he just left and he moved on very quickly to another area in
michigan, and that rally will begin at any moment, he had a specific message here about the auto industry. he spent more time than usual talking about the auto industry. we've heard him, of course, talk about bringing jobs back from mexico, the big ford plant. well, he stayed on that message more than usual here. and then he reverted back to isis, talking about building the wall, and then he hit mitt romney hard, he hit marco rubio hard, and he hit cruz hard as well. we saw last night at the debate something very interesting. we saw the donald trump that we expected. what he said would be not an overly presidential debate, but we also saw he moved a little bit on his positions, he changed. he talked about softening his position about visas, about those with foreign workers who are highly skilled. that's big. and i would watch for that group going forward in some of these rallies, craig. >> jacob rascon on the right, on your screen in warren, michigan.
on the left side of your screen, that was cadillac michigan, where donald trump is expected to start a rally any moment now. there's the live look there on the left side of your screen. jacob, thank you. moving north to maine, where earlier today ted cruz was asked if he would lead a unity ticket with rubio as his running mate. >> you are seeing discussions within the party about coming together. i think those discussions are happening among the candidates. i think those discussions are happening among the activists. i think those discussions are happening among the donors. there is no doubt, if we remain divided, donald trump wins. >> cruz saying there that candidates are in discussions about coming together to stop trump. the texas senator will be back in the d.c. area later this afternoon, to address the aforementioned cpac conference. cpac is a top annual gathering of grassroots conservatives. it's a really big deal in the conservative movement. ben carson expected to formally suspend his struggling campaign,
when he speaks later this afternoon at cpac. and we are expecting ohio governor john kasich to take the stage any minute now. but donald trump has pulled out, saying he'll be campaigning in kansas, where there's the vote this weekend. also in florida. florida, a winner-take-all state. they will got to polls a week from tuesday. msnbc's jane tim joins me live now from national harbor, maryland, where that conservative confab is underway. jane, what's been the reaction on the ground there to trump's decision to skip that event? what are people saying? >> reporter: there's a lot of disappointment here. i think people who don't support him wanted the gop front-runner to come to answer their questions. organizers here tell me that those questions might have been a sticking point. that the q&a format that's pretty traditional for cpac was something the campaign and the organizers really disagreed on. and i think that we saw him answer some questions last night, and maybe in front of an audience that wasn't so
receptive. and this audience, i have to say, is not exactly donald trump's classic base. these are conservatives who have been electing other conservatives for years. this is the activists and the grassroots organizers who buoy the movement 365 days of the year. and they really wanted him to come and show up. i think this is going to sweeten the territory for ted cruz. he has a lot of supporters here, a lot of people like him, quite a bit. we saw a preview of what his speech might look like earlier with one of the people who's endorsed him, a tea party leader, just unloaded on donald trump. saying he loves himself more than his country, more than the constitution. she got a lot of big cheers and made a strong case in front of this crowd for ted cruz. i think it's key to remember that this crowd often identifies themselves as very conservative. those are the people ted cruz does the best, as we've seen in all the exit polls, in all these 15 primary votes that the state has voted. >> jane tim for us, national harbor in maryland. where, again, ohio governor john
kasich expected to take the stage. we're going to keep watching cpac there. meanwhile, mitt romney took his campaign to topple trump to the "today" show this morning. the 2012 gop nominee promising not to vote for trump, even if he wins the nomination. >> i wouldn't vote for donald trump. and i wouldn't vote for hillary clinton. i intend to vote for our nominee. i expect that nominee to be a real conservative, a real republican. >> but the remaining republican contenders had a different response last night when they were asked if they would back trump in a general election. >> i'll support the republican nominee. >> mr. trump, yes or no? >> i'll support donald if he's the republican nominee. >> yes, because i gave my word that i would. and what i have endeavored to do every day in the senate is what i said i would do. >> yeah, but i kind of think before it's all said and done, i'll be the nominee. >> here to talk about the unfolding drama in the republican party, howard wiltkinson, ohio republican
party chairman matt borgenson. michael steele, formerly with the jeb bush campaign. howard wilkinson here sitting with me. let me start with you. you've covered politics in cincinnati for more than 30 years. what's been the general reaction here in ohio to the gop race? >> i think the reaction in ohio is more or less like it is in most of the country. trump obviously has a large following in ohio, but you have john kasich, who is a very popular governor. he's got a 62% approval rating. >> i keep hearing that. but why, then, has he been down in every poll taken in ohio, and the most recent one, he's down by at least five percentage points? >> that's interesting, yes, you're exactly right. and i think part of that has to do with just this anger that the rank-and-file republicans have
against establishment republicans in their party. and donald trump speaks to that and taps into that anger. and it happens here just as it happens all over the country. >> hey, matt, as you watched the debate last night, what was going through your mind? >> well, i was very impressed with our governor as he continues to present himself as the only adult on the stage. and a guy who's got a record of accomplishments and real results. what he did in washington when he balanced the federal budget, what he's done in ohio with 400 new private sector jobs while cutting taxes by $5 billion, balancing a budget, is exactly the recipe we need to fix washington and he's done it here in ohio. he's also done it when he was in washington. worked across the aisle. and so i think that's what voters are looking for. if you want an anti-establishment guy, john kasich's your man. >> we should note here, that since the prbroadcast start, wo
broke that the "cincinnati enquirer," the paper of wrote, has endorsed john kasich. he's picked up the endorsement of the "detroit free press" and "the detroit news," also. but again, it doesn't seem to be resonating. he is in dead last in every major poll we've seen coming out of michigan. there are some folks who have suggested that he should drop out after tuesday, so as not to embarrass himself by losing ohio. matt, if he comes in dead last in michigan, should he drop out? will he drop out? >> not going to. we're going to move on to ohio. we're going to win ohio. that's when the winner-take-all primaries begin. and john kasich's poised to win his home state, win here in the buckeye state, and we certainly have seen polling that has him ahead. and i'm expecting him to do very well here and the voters are going to reward him for the remarkable job he's done in turning ohio around from the disaster he inherited from ted strickland back in 2011. and so our governor will win here and that will start a whole new path for the -- toward the
nomination for john kasich, as these winner-take-all primaries, the calendar, and the territory start to become more friendly to him. >> michael, let me bring you in here. because, again, we continue to hear this from john kasich supporters, that there is a path to victory, albeit a narrow path to victory. what say you to that? how likely is it and why would a john kasich stay in the race until the convention? >> well, i think, you know, ohio is the heart of it all. governor kasich, obviously, has a tremendous amount of appeal there. and any realistic effort to stop donald trump probably begins in part with a kasich victory in ohio. it also depends on some other victories by other candidates elsewhere. but the important thing is that we stop trump, because he is a fraud, he is a con man, he is not a conservative. he pulled out of cpac because he doesn't want to answer questions from conservatives, because he is not a conservative. and we will lose in the fall to hillary clinton if the conservative party nominates someone who is not a
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again, a live look right now at cadillac, michigan. cadillac, michigan. this is where we expect donald trump will be taking the stage any moment now. we are also monitoring the conservative political action conference, just outside washington. ohio governor john kasich, he is expected to speak there soon. but up next, more on the breaking news that we continue to follow here at msnbc. lapd confirming that a knife
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apartment is handling the evidence. >> the bottom line is that with all cases that remain open, such as the o.j. simpson and other murder cases and robbery cases, unless there's an actual arrest or conviction to prove that we have actually closed the case, the cases remain open. this is a double homicide that is still open and ongoing. the investigators will continue to look at this. that item has been recovered by robbery/homicide investigators. it is being treated as we would all evidence. >> joining me now, diane diamond, crime columnist and journalist who covered the o.j. simpson case more than 20 years ago. diane, in the last few moments, sources have told our josh makeowitz, correspondent for "dateline," that there is no proof that this is the knife used in the murders of nicole brown simpson and ron goldman back in 1994. if that is the case, how potentially significant would this knife be? >> well, if they can find no
link to o.j.'s -- to the murders, and to o.j., then it's completely worthless and we're all, you know, wasting our breath. but, look, it's such a tantalizing turn of events, craig. i can't even wrap my head around it, honestly. i remember that beautiful sunday morning in june, 1995, '94/'95, i guess, or '4, i was called to that house, to nicole brown simpson's house and i saw the blood, i saw the morgue truck pulling away with the two bodies. and i thought to myself, there must have been more than one attacker here. there was so much blood. now we find this one little tiny, what are they calling it? a buck knife? >> a small, old buck knife. >> an old, yeah, and it's crusty and rusty, and could it possibly be? i took the opportunity, craig, to look up the old testimony from the man who conducted the autopsy on nicole brown simpson.
his name is dr. lakshmanshanan. and he said at the time, this is kind of a quote, he said, all the slash wounds to her body could have been left by one single-edged knife about 6 inches long. that's what a buck knife is. so, again, it's a tantalizing turn of events, but my friend, josh mankiewicz may be exactly right and there may be no connection to this at all. remember, o.j. simpson had a young son at the time. maybe he gave the little boy a knife as a gift, the kid left it in the yard, and years later it was dug up by this construction worker and given to this traffic cop. there's lots of different scenarios that could be at play here. >> diane dimond, journalist and investigative reporter, again, has been covering this o.j. simpson case off and on since 1994. diane, thank you for your time on this friday afternoon. i appreciate it. >> you bet. again, folks, we are live
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unemployment here in ohio, how would you characterize unemployment, and how would you characterize wage growth as well? >> well, i think cincinnati, our economy in ohio, is booming. where our wholesy is going through a major renaissance. but as we've seen nationally, the middle class needs a raise, which is what hillary clinton is pushing for, with a higher minimum wage and investment in the kinds of jobs that will pay better. but ohio and cincinnati in particular is doing better, but we want to do better by more people. >> i want to play just a quick snippet of the two front-runners talking about the economy in broad terms, as we show our viewers a little bit of the information, as it relates to ohio's economy. this is just a little bit of what the front-runners had to say about the economy. take a listen and i want to get your reaction on the other side. >> i'm going to do great with virtually every group. the reason is, i'm going to bring jobs back. i'm going to get apple to start making their computers and their iphones on our land, not in china. how does it help us when they make it in china? >> that's why we have to invest.
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and welcome back to downtown cincinnati, ohio. coffee emporium, home of really good coffee. that's their slogan. a half dozen locations in and around cincinnati. quite the gathering spot for students and lots of other folks, as well. one of the big contingencies, you can see here, coffee emporium, this group. there they are. ladies, you're on television. wave. there they are if folks from the -- folks from the eaaarp, taking a stay here. a big thanks to all the folks who have come out to hang out with us over the past few days. candidates on both sides are fighting for youth support, a key group here in the buckeye state. ohio is home to some 385 colleges and universities and millennials make up about 27% of the electorate here. but, here's the thing. spring break, it falls on primary day for two of ohio's largest campuses. cleveland state and ohio state. that means many of the more than
80,000 students will likely be hitting the beach rather than the polls. joining me now to talk about that from osu votes, a student-led movement, elny and ann marie. thank you both for being with me on a friday afternoon. so what are you guys going to do? you have all these stungs leaving town for spring break on primary day. how do you solve that problem? >> so our organization is called osu votes and we are run through the offices of student life and we work on registering, educating, and encouraging students to get out and vote and becoming informed voters. so part of that encouraging of student voters is we work really hard to make sure students know all of their options. we talk a lot about early voting, talk about absentee voting, and other alternative options to turning out on march 15th. >> and i think it's been especially important this sners, because as you said, our may day falls on spring break, and a lot of students don't seem to realize that, so when they come
to us at our tabling events or our outreach events, they said, i had no idea, i'm really glad you guys are here and we can set them up with alternatives to make sure they can still have their alternatives to make sure they can make their voice heard. >> as far as early voting, how has that gone here? are there obstacles they have to meet for that? >> the main thing is transportation. a lot of students don't have cars, and we're offering transportation. we're going to have a couple different option s on saturday for students to go out and vote early. >> what are the two or three issues, really quickly, that are driving young voters to the polls this cycle? >> i think the opportunity to vote in the primary has been really exciting for a lot of people. so for people that feel especially strongly about a candidate, they're definitely excited about the opportunity to vote this year.
and i know that, unfortunately, the deadline to register has passed, but we've had a lot of people come up to us, still, to make sure they're registered in time for november. so a lot of people are thinking very far ahead as well. >> a big thanks to both of you for being here. an update on today's microsoft polls question. should the gop rally behind trump if he's the nominee? here are the results to far. ta take a look. vo: know you have a dedicated
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she is winning the black vote by huge margins now. should we expect the same this time around. >> we know bernie sanders has been a consistent champion for voting rights, for economic equality in this country, so we're maworking hard to make su that does not happen in ohio. >> nina, i spent some time in tennessee earlier this week. bernie sanders had not been to tennessee since he launched his campaign. there were folks there that it really rubbed them the wrong way. he also has not competed aggressively in states where the electorate is diverse. in short, he seems to do really well in a lot of the states where the folks are white, a lot of the homogeneous states. why are you not campaigning more aggressively in states that look more like me and you? >> he's competing all over the
country, and i know some folks want to spin it that way, but the senator understands there are 50 states. he understands he needs to win the support of a very diverse electorate. i will tell you, in my travels across this country, i have come across latin americans, latinos, other folks of color who do support the senator and understand it. he did not have a national profile until now. he has not been running for president for the last eight years, so he has more work to do to make sure folks understand what his policies are and what he's standing up for. i know you talked to mary cranley about manufacturing and that sort of thing. bernie sanders is the only candidate in this race who has consistently been fighting for men and women, and those kind of trade deals that take away jobs. meanwhile, the secretary says one thing here in america and another thing when she's in india. so we have to get the senator to continue being out there telling his story. he understands about poverty, he understands we need to increase the minimum wage to $15 an hour.
he's been out there, and we're going to keep fighting. >> nina, thank you for your time. i just take somewhat of an issue where you guys say it's 50-50 campaign, but he didn't go to ohio once. not one time. how do you say it's a 50-50 campaign? >> it is. >> all right. nina turner, thank you so much for being with me this friday. have a great weekend. >> you too. that's going to do it from the coffee emporium here in cincinnati. a big thanks to our friends at the coffee emporium. good people here in cincinnati. we will see you next week in columbus. also in cleveland as well. my colleague thomas roberts up next from pensacola beach, florida. have a fantastic weekend.
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breaking news. a big curveball today with the los angeles police department announcing it's investigating whether a knife reportedly found by a construction worker years ago on the former property of o.j. simpson and handed over to a now retired officer and connected to the 1994 stabbing deaths of simpson's ex-wife, nicole brown simpson her friend ron goldman. he had been in possession of this weapon until just recently when he gave it to authorities. o.j. simpson was found not guilty of the murders. a murder weapon was never presented at trial. here is kathy neimkn lieutenant talking about this. >> reporter: it has been treated like all others and has been submitted to our lab. they're going to study and examine it for all forensics,
including serology and dna and hair. that's ongoing as we speak. >> she covered the o.j. simpson murder trial nearly two yeerds a -- years ago, and kelly, are they saying this could be a break in the case or much ado about nothing? >> it could be much ado about nothing, but it's a sign how intense the o.j. simpson case is, more broadly in cultural terms. there were questions never really answered during the criminal trial, and he, of course, was acquitted and then later found liable in a civil action by the goldman family, the father and sister of ron goldman who was murdered along with nicole brown simpson. so one of the big questions, thomas, is what was the murder weapon? where was it? did it have a connection to o.j. simpson? had prosecutors had that in the 1994-'95 trial, it certainly would have been very critical
evidence. might it have changed the outcome? who is to know? there were questions raised at the time, issues raised, searches done. they were trying to tie simpson to a known knife that the witness later presented, which was not connected to the murders. what happens here? at that time in 1994-'95, dna was really new in criminal justice and certainly new in our public understanding of how powerful it is. so in this case now, if there is any sort of legitimate material that has not degraded that could be tested, that would certainly be very significant. it is also possible that the story is completely off. it is possible there was a knife at the location unconnected to the murders. the murder happened not at simpson's home but at the home, a condo of his, ex-wife. so always during the trial that
question hung over prosecutors, that they were unable to present it. now there are some other questions. why would a law enforcement officer retain such an item if he thought it might be connected? not one answer to that, and it is not a satisfying answer, is that simpson was acquitted so he could never be charged again, and certainly many in the los angeles police department believed he had been the killer, and, therefore, the case was closed. we were reminded today during that news conference that a case that does not end in conviction remains open, even if there is a strong belief that there was a suspect who was acquitted. so it has always been complicated because simpson was acquitted in the criminal case, found liable in a civil case, and then in an unrelated case, he was convicted relating to try to get some of his possessions, valuable possessions, back in that los angeles -- las vegas armed robbery that has him incarcerated today. so it gets complicated, but i think the biggest question about this is it takes us back to one
of the most famous or infamous trials, one that touched a lot of issues in america: race, celebrity, money, and do police officers always follow the rules? that was a big part of the defense. raising questions in perhaps the biggest, loudest way about the conduct of the los angeles police department. perhaps that's why they want to be out front now, to acknowledge that a former officer withheld something that could be connected. it is intriguing. we will have to wait for results to see if any of this tells us something about what happened in that case. thomas? >> kelly, we're now living through this docudrama playing out on a different network, o.j. simps simpson, looking at o.j. simpson when he was arrested.
this is a live look. you spent a lot of days at the former home of o.j. simpson. this is the new home that was constructed after the former home was torn down, demolished, in roughly 1998. lundy was the murder scene, and that was not far away from where nicole brown simpson lived, ron goldman coming over to return a pair of her sunglasses at a restaurant nearby. he was a waiter there. there's a look at the former home, and you can see why the purchaser of the property now would not want a remnant at the house. it's baffling to think why a cop, person working in traffic division, would not turn this over right away and hold onto it almost like a trophy is just amazi amazing. >> there were so many things, thomas, relate to do that case that had a very creepy quality
to them, where people wanted to be attached to the saga because it was a way for 15 minutes of fame. there were people who profited off of the case, selling their stories to tabloids. there was a supposed eyewitness seeing simpson driving a white bronco at an intersection between his residence and the bundy crime scene. that person sold her story and, therefore, was not put into the criminal case. things like that happened a lot. i feel for the people who bought that property, tore down the house to avoid the sort of lookie loo quality of that attention, and now they're getting it again. also the bundy condominium. they changed the exterior of the condo to make it look not like it did when the murder scene was there. they even changed the house number to try to make it less attached to the crime scene. and around the country in even less celebrated cases -- celebrate is not the proper
word -- but notorious cases, there are issues of real estate that's connected to crimes and how it affects the value. and these were very expensive pieces of real estate, so as they moved on in life, the people who bought them didn't want any connection to the case. and so i'm sure they're not enjoying this sort of return to questions about the case. and then when you consider the conduct of an officer, retired now, who may have thought that this was a souvenir or a keepsake in some strange way, but then again, we don't know what the officer actually thought. there are real questions about the story itself. would someone working at the construction site when the house was demolished have just handed it over? i mean, the whole thing needs a little more scrutiny and the police say they're doing that now, but it certainly reawakens a lot of questions and curiosity. thomas? >> we know the captain andy n
newman in that press conference said they await certain information while it's being tested. thank you for taking us down that path all those years ago. i want to talk to john burrois, who followed the o.j. simpson trial many years ago. if the knife is test and had it comes back with positive i.d. markers for nicole simpson's dna, ron goldman's dna, is there a legal path to use that evidence to bring some type of new charges against who they suspect to be the murderer, o.j. simpson? >> they certainly can't bring a state cause of action against o.j. simpson, that's pretty clear. the question always is, is there a federal kind of hate crime that may be involved so the so-called civil rights aren't violated? that's an interesting case and that is a double jeopardy question.
you can always have federal charges even though there is a state acquittal of the action. that's unlikely, but you have real questions about contamination, chain of custody, and in this particular case, there was always questions about police manipulation of the evidence, whether there was blood evidence in the bronco, blood evidence on the scene, blood evidence on the socks. this only raises those questions again about police potentially tampering with the evidence. particularly when you have a situation where they have control of this knife for a very long time, i can imagine in johnny cochran were here, he would say, can you believe this after all this period of time? charges cannot be made against him in state court of murder, but questions about whether you can bring a federal cause of action for a hate crime is another matter. having done civil rights cases, i understand that's a possibility. >> it certainly calls into question a type of malpractice on the form of police
investigators, and we know the different type of challenges that were brought up by the defense attorneys, by johnny cochran and the rest of that dream team that represented o.j. simpson in 1994. but it really has remained a mystery, john, about the murder weapon. there was never one found. >> absolutely. and until you have that murder weapon, it's almost not being able to prove the moeftive. in a situation like this where the murders were so gruesomely performed by one or more individuals, at least one allegedly, and a knife was involved, i have some question about whether you can tie this particular knife to that particular murder scene. but, of course, dna is something that is very, very possible. a lot of people have been exonerated and a lot of people have been convicted years later based on the finding of dna. you don't need a lot. the question here, has it been so contaminated. this case brought forth a lot of issues around police misconduct and whether or not people of
color are treated fairly and whether an investigation was ku conducted in an objective way. true or not, that was an issue raised in the case, and the jurors themselves thought maybe this was another example where an officer has possession of a knife, a possible murder weapon for many, many years and doesn't bring it forth, wants to use it as a trophy. i'm not suggesting any misconduct on anybody's part, but it does buy into the scenario or themes that were developed by cochran and his defense team. >> there are many things brought up that would allow a jury to have reasonable doubt to make a suspect like o.j. simpson not guilty. now o.j. simpson sits behind bars for unrelated charges that happened much later in his life revolving around the memorabilia theft in las vegas. >> absolutely. >> john, this is something i know we'll continue to talk about. thanks for your time and your insig insight.
as you pointed out, this all hinges on whether or not the evidence could be productive as part of dna. the doctor joins me now. doctor, when you hear about this and the possible age of any evidence, the level of detail of tests that could be run on something like this, could dna and fingerprints be too corrupted all these years later? >> dna will be there or not. there is no such thing as something betwixt or between. you can find dna, we know, in things that are a thousand years old, centuries old, so it's certainly possible that they might find dna. remember, it's going to have to be dna of either nicole or ron goldman. if it's dna of simpson, it means nothing, so it was a knife in his possession in his home, he cut himself and so on. then you have the house being
torn down and skrukconstruction the knife being buried. that would be nothing. fingerprints on the knife would mean nothing, either. he's entitled to have a knife in his home. fingerprints prove nothing. if it's hair, nothing. if there's hair, and i doubt that that much that hair will be found either from nicole or ron goldman. some 18 years later, that's a debacle of another nature, absolutely incredible. the people who are talking about this keep referring to the knife. remember this. to my knowledge, and as i recall spending a lot of time on these two cases and the autopsy reports, there is nothing specific that indicates that only one knife was used to inflict those 17, 18 wounds on one and some 21, 22 wounds on the other. it could have indeed been two
knives and two asaillants. so we'll see. >> doctor, what about the size of the knife and comparing that to the autopsies of the wounds? as you pointed out, about 40 different wounds combined between nicole and ron. could the depth of the wounds be matched up in some way? this is being characterized as a small buck knife. >> if you have wounds that are penetrated deeply and measurements are made from skin to seemingly end point, and you have a knife that has a blade that is not that long, then you have a problem. wounds that are less deep penetrating, that's not going to tell you anything. and sometimes you can tell if a knife has a serated edge, if it has two cutting edges as opposed to just one, a duller, blunter
side on the other side. that's going to be done, too. they're going to go back to the autopsy report. they'll sit down with a pathologist and they'll ask about whether or not the knife could have inflicted those wounds. that's a very good point. the knife itself has a similar possibility of inflicting wounds in these two people is something to be analyzed, the dna possibly there. and if you find blood from either or both nicole and ron goldman, then that's a strong case. and then that brings you back to the legal issue about double jeopardy. forget about it, and with all due respect, to my learned colleague, i don't see where federal rights come in with two caucasians being killed possibly by an african-american male. i don't see a federal action accruing here in any way. >> it could be something as simple as assault with a deadly weapon or something along those lines -- >> you can't go back to a lesser
charge. homicide in the first degree, that's the top level. you can always move up but you can't go back to a lesser charge. >> dr. cyril white, thank you, sir. it's almost 20 years this summer coming up that those deaths happened. they happened in the summer of 1994. also a reminder for everybody to watch dateline this sunday night. he sits down with a candid interview with marcia clerk. the people versus o.j. simpson, what the jury never heard this sunday on your local msnbc station. we turn to the race of 2016. we have donald trump holding a rally in cadillac, michigan. this after saying he's going to be skipping the cpac conference in maryland. that's usually a destination for those wanting to be president. let's listen in. >> he threw out the f bomb. can you imagine if i did that? i wouldn't be allowed to be here
today. it would be a national disgrace. nobody even called him on it. he said, we will not build a you-know-what wall, and we will not pay for the wall. it's sort of interesting. his anger was so incredible, and it wasn't because of the wall, it was because somebody was actually telling them that it's not going to happen that way anymore. they're not used to it. mexico and all these other countries. i have a great relationship with mexico and the mexican people. i employ thousands of hispanics. over the years, tens of thousands. and i understand these are great people. but their leaders are too smart for our leaders. they're too cunning, they're too quick. we don't know what we're doing. we have people in washington not knowing what they're doing. we have great border patrol, people. if we let them do their job before the wall gets built, which is getting built, anyway, but if we let them do their job, these are great people. i went to laredo, texas at the invitation of border patrol, and
they're devastated. these are great people that want to do their job, and they're told to stand back. and people will walk right through. just walk right through. we have no control. and without aborders, you don'ta country, folks. you don't have a country. so we're going to straighten that out, but i was interested when he said, we will not pay for that wall, the anger on his face, the anger. and i watched him and i said that anger is not paying for the wall. it's that somebody would actually speak back and would actually look at them and say, well, this is the way it's going to be. because they're -- think of it. we have a trade deficit of 58 billion with mexico? so when these lightweights come up to me and they say, you can't get mexico to pay for the wall, i said, 100%. i said, 100%. not 99, i said 100%. they say, how can you get them -- now, you have to understand, three months ago they said, you can't build a wall. now they're all saying you can.
in fact, when fox was interviewed, he said, we won't pay for the wall. >> so there we have donald trump talking to folks at a rally in cadillac, michigan using the pretty well-known campaign slogan about the wall that he wants to build with our border with mexico having them pay for it. nbc's gabe gutierrez in new orleans joins us now. katie, we're going to continue to watch this rally for trump, but tell us why donald trump decided to drop out of cpac at the last minute. do we know why? >> reporter: the campaign said they've added a stop in canassus so they won't be able to stop at cpac. people have criticized him saying he's not a true conservative, somebody who doesn't hold their values or principals. so this would not necessarily be
a friendly crowd for donald trump. when we've seen him go to the more conservative events, values voters being one of them, one of the red states, he has not reappeared because he was disinvited. he has not met friendly crowds. it's not something, i don't think, donald trump is happy to go to. then again, he's given a lot of money to cpac in the past, so there's that angle of it. he will be going to canasus, that spelling not being ours, thomas. >> he said he would not break international laws from criticisms that his policies regarding torturing and killing the family members of terrorists would violate the geneva conventions. we heard donald trump talking about waterboarding, being pro waterboarding, bringing that type of information getting back or information technique back
into the use of our military. but again, he's preversing his stance on that and telling the wall street journal that he wouldn't do that to break the international laws. we want to follow the campaign of marco rubio. he's making three different stops in kansas ahead of their caucus tomorrow. it's a rally this morning. he continued to have his sights set on donald trump squarely, making the argument that if trump becomes the nominee, he will split the party. >> clearly i'm here to ask you not to vote for him. because no matter how you may feel about the things he's talking about, which he has no answers for, if he's our nominee, it will split the republican party, and it will be the end of the modern conservative movement. >> so joining me now is nbc's gabe gutierrez who has been following the cruz campaign. gabe, let's talk about this because this is an argument that ted cruz and marco rubio have been trying to make about donald trump and the fact that he is
splitting the party. but other people would look at, say, rubio and say, well, he's acting as a spoiler in this to a ted cruz. how does he say that he is a viable candidate when everyone is questioning whether or not he can carry his home state of florida? >> reporter: [ audio issues ] >> gabe, unfortunately we're having issues with your audio, so we're going to work on your mike and we'll get that fixed up. but there is an issue with marco rubio and his campaign in florida coming up on march 15th when this state starts to vote. there are 99 delegates at stake, and florida is a winner-take-all state. we've got voting that will begin this weekend statewide here in florida. 17 counties have already been allowed access to early voting. we're going back to gabe gutierrez. i was just explaining how early voting has already started in
the state of florida. statewide it begins this weekend. how does rubio say he's viable if he doesn't win florida? >> reporter: florida is key for the rubio campaign, there's no doubt about that. it's his home state, as you mentioned. early voting is on the way. they feel they can make headway in florida, and after these negative ads that the conservative solution superpac, the superpac backing marco rubio, and he thinks some of those ads could have an effect on donald trump. they have high hopes for florida, but as you know, thomas, it's a steep hill to climb. polls have marco rubio down by double digits, and so the question is, will he be able to gain any momentum ahead of this march 15 primary? today he has several stops in kansas, as you mentioned, or kanassas that katie tur mentioned talking about donald
trump, but marco rubio is still going after donald trump. the frenetic pace is taking a toll on marco rubio. hear what he said to reporters. >> is my voice holding out? i'm holding onto it barely. i'm usually much louder, but i'm hurting. >> reporter: now, the rubio campaign feels they can do well in kansas tomorrow. there are 40 delegates up for grabs there. the reason they feel they can do well, it's a closed caucus. the independent outsiders wouldn't participate in this caucus, but as you know, just one win for the marco rubio campaign in minnesota. a lot of people are wondering whether it is a viable candidacy and whether there is any path in the nomination for him that doesn't include a contested convention. and why his campaign won't say publicly that they do expect a contested convention. privately a lot of people think there is no other way for marco
rubio to get this nomination unless it goes through a contested convention. thomas? >> nbc's gabe gutierrez reporting for us in detroit. the contentious states a all closed door events. the pulse question is, should the gop rally behind trump if he is the nominee? last night all the candidates were questioned about this, and all three, rubio, kasich and cruz, said they would ultimately support donald trump. here are the results with 68% saying yes, 32% saying no. the pulse is live. check it out at pulse.msnbc.com. we're going to talk about the battle states when we turn to the democratic side of the aisle with this fight going all the way down to the finish. both sides saying they want to take it to the convention. karen finney with me on the other side of this break.
good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. we're minutes away from an event in detroit. hillary clinton is about to unveil her jobs plan. 242,000 jobs were added in february this year. the unemployment rate remains unchanged at 4.9%. secretary clinton is expected to touch on a range of topics including clean energy jobs, middle class wages and free trade topics that her rival bernie sanders has been very critical of her on. this was bernie sanders at a rally earlier today in illinois. >> secretary clinton supported n nafta, she supported trade relations with china. those agreements have cost us millions of jobs as a nation hit the midwest particularly hard. if elected president, trust me, we will have a new set of trade
policies. >> so we've got reporters embedded in both campaigns. we want to begin with luk luke russert who is traveling with bernie sanders. monday sanders has a town hall and the rally he had this morning. is he trying to differentiate himself from hillary clinton? >> reporter: yeah, he is really trying to differentiate himself from hillary clinton. he's been in nebraska and missouri, all that have upcoming caucuses and primaries. he really went after her on that point today, saying the outsourcing of jobs have killed this part of the country, and that she and her husband were responsible for that and she was slow to act on this recent trade deal, tpp. he also went after her on the iraq war, saying she was slow to act on environmental issues,
specifically keystone xl. but i'm interested to see what happens in michigan, thomas, because on the eighth of march is a place he spent a lot of money, he has a lot of ads there. he's trying to get good play out of michigan saying, i can compete in a state where workers lost jobs and it has a large african-american population. if he can pull that off there, that will help him. >> reporting from edwardsville, illinois. we want to check in with our colleague kristen welker. she is following the hillary clinton campaign. kristen, we know the e-mail issue is back in the headlines for secretary clinton. how is the staff and hillary clinton herself talking about the fact that the staffer was granted immunity which seems to raise red flags and also new concerns about trust perception for secretary clinton? >> reporter: well, that's right. today they're getting a rare positive headline on that front, actually. thomas, according to our nbc's
andrea mitchell, that staffer you mentioned was given immunity and testified with the fbi during christmas and thanksgiving of 2015, that essentially her e-mail server wasn't hacked, that it was the target of normal fishing, but it was never penetrated by a foreign source. that is going to underscore what the campaign has been arguing, which is the sensitive information that may have been contained on her private server was not hacked and was essentially secured. but this issue continues to loom over her campaign as the fbi investigation continues. donald trump making an issue out of it almost daily. bernie sanders, though, not touching it. he's sticking to the policies, as you heard luke map out. secretary clinton is going to try to turn the page in detroit. she's going to lay out a new jobs proposal that talks about scaling companies that outsource jobs, and she will likely hit sanders back on his criticism of her supporting nafta.
she will say, look, she's come out against changes on ttp and supporting nafta. this doesn't seem to be hitting her in the primary, but it gets a lot thornier than a general election. thomas. >> nbc's kristen welker traveling with the hillary clinton campaign. thank you. i want to bring you to karen finney, who is the adviser to the hillary clinton campaign. karen, good to see you. >> hi, how are you? >> i'm doing okay. let's dive in here and talk about if the fbi -- big if here -- come knocking, will hillary clinton have to testify? and the staffer that was spowor to be silent with immunity? is that a problem? >> number one, hillary clinton has said from the beginning, last august, when the department of justice started this review,
she would go anywhere any time and be perfectly happy to sit down and answer all of their questions, hopefully not for 11 hours like she did with congress, but she's very confident that there is no wrongdoing. as we know, she neither received nor sent classified information. so she's very confident in that process. and also, obviously, we're very happy to see this process come to an end. and as was reported, it sounds like they are coming to the end. there is a possibility they will want to talk with secretary clinton which she is more than happy to do. it's kind of normal procedure toward the end of the process upped want to conduct that kind of conversation. i want to say one thing about bri an. she said she hoped anyone involved in this in any way, shape or form would cooperate with this process, and we are disappointed that brian chose not to talk with chairman gowdy.
that was his decision, hae has his own lawyer. we think he will be speaking with the fbi in this case and the job of a lawyer is to get him the best deal possible. so the fact he's been granted some type of immunity is not any kind of indication that they think he did something wrong. and, in fact, he did nothing wrong. i mean, he was responsible for setting up the system and did some maintenance of the system. you saw the report that there was no hacking of the system. but we don't think he'll have much to add when it comes to the actual classification of the e-mails -- or information on the e-mails themselves since his responsibility was really around the setting up of the system. >> setting up the server, right, of setting up the server. and we know that other secretaries of state have had private e-mails. they haven't had a personal server sitting in their basement. are you saying secretary clinton will go in under oath and testify, and you hope to get that on the calendar when under oath? >> i'm saying that she has said very consistently since last
august that she is happy to, you know, go and talk with them anywhere, any time, and that, again, with regard to the point you made about other secretaries of state, it's interesting that like secretary clinton has said, when we're talking about e-mails, she doesn't have any problem. she's more than happy to have this conversation. she feels very confident and that's why she wanted to have the e-mails released in the first place, so people could see, kind of get a window into her tenure as secretary of state. but quickly, thomas, that's not what voters are talking about on the campaign trail. what they're talking about is the speech she's going to give today, talking about jobs, talking about our economy, talking about how we essentially ensure that companies aren't shipping jobs overseas, how we ensure that workers are treated as people to be invested in,
not, you know, a liability of sorts, because we've seen some of that from companies. so that's what people really want to hear from her and that's what she's going to be talking about today and drawing a contrast with senator sanders who, for example, didn't support the new market tax credit which created 750,000 jobs in this country. >> karen, thank you very much. i just want to make one distinction. i know colin powell has expressed his displeasure with the fact that certain e-mails of his have been deemed classified in retroactive, yes. but the vetting of the e-mails is a concern. >> the fbi is actually looking at the e-mails themselves. >> the e-mails and also setting up of the private server and whether or not that would allow any corruption of any classified information. but we have it on record, as you say, that the secretary is more than willing to go in at any
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it is being treated as we would all evidence. >> so that was lapd police captain andy neiman earlier today describing how his department is handling possible new evidence in the murder of nicole brown simpson and her friend ron goldman. they are testing a knife found at the rockingham estate once owned by o.j. simpson. legal analyst joins us now. this is a curveball that has all of us really curious about what this could mean, and it could also be much ado about nothing. but if this is legitimate, what kind of answers could this evidence maybe provide in the deaths of ron and nicole? >> well, so many. there's been kind of a question mark over this whole case for some people for decades now. this would be a period at the end of the sentence, at least, or an exclamation point. they never had a knife. they never had a murder weapon. and there was, under the earth, all of those decades, maybe, if this is the murder weapon, and
now here it is. so i think it's huge. and i think that it's something that they're testing now. they said they're looking for blood, different types of dna, forensic evidence, but it's f fascinating everybody all over the world today. >> it's being described as a small buck knife. it was found on the property after a construction worker discovered it when rockingham, that estate, was being demolished in the late '90s, given over to a district officer, police division traffic cop, who then held onto it and only turned it in about six weeks ago. so we've got a lack of evidence that they never had a murder weapon. could this have changed the day in 1995 in the fall if they had had a key piece of evidence like this, changed the whole outcome? >> i think so. i think so. because essential to a murder case is a murder weapon. if you don't have a murder weapon or you don't have a body, or if you don't have a motive, those are about the three biggest things you need in a murder case.
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question whether trump will be the favorite or whether there could be a contested rnc convention in july. i'm joined by adam smith, political editor of the tampa bay times, and terry fine, associate director of the louis frey institute. it's so good to have you both here, because so many people are talking about florida being the ultimate in deciding marco rubio's fate but also in deciding the fate, ultimately of the nomination. so adam, let me talk to you about the ads that are running here which cost money, a lot of money, that we know are being spent on these anti-trump attack ads. this is not really working in their favor as the polls show marco rubio down by 16%. is trump going to be assured to victory here? >> i don't think he's assured of anything, but certainly the best poll that we've seen for marco rubio shows him down seven points, the worst poll shows him down 20 points. but i do think this is the very
first state where we've seen a really aggressive and very, very expensive negative barrage of campaign ads against trump. so this is going to be probably the last stand. >> all these superpacs are trying to unite against this anybody but trump narrative. it was this type of politics where romney was asked if he contributed to the effort. >> there are some superpacs and other groups trying to raise money to try to stop donald trump. are you helping with that effort? >> i am, and i think they probably noticed my remarks yesterday. i'm hoping that those people that were thinking of saying, well, donald trump is effectively the nominee, we might as well get on board, i hope they're saying, well, maybe he's not as good as we think. >> you're pretty wiealthy, not s wealthy as donald trump, but are
you going to contribute to these groups? >> that is yet to be decided. >> florida is a potential game changer. we know the status of the panhandle being lower alabama. lower alabama went heavily for trump. is that going to be a game changer with on you florida is cast with 99 delegates, winner take all? >> even though we're sort of a very purple area here in central florida, we have a very high number of republicans representing our constituents here in central florida, and consequently, we have a lot of registered republicans, and they're going to be voting for the person that they think is going to best represent their party. at the same time, marco rubio has won statewide before in f r flori florida, so i think he's counting on a good showing on march 15. >> when we think about the fact that there is early polling that
already started here on monday, full statewide early voting will begin this weekend. so, adam, do you think, as we've learned from the exit polling of other states, that early voting has really heavily benefited donald trump? so as we're speaking right now, marco rubio could already be losing? >> oh, absolutely, and that has been a dynamic that's happened in the last few elections here. more than half of the vote will have been cast probably by election day, and we've had about 6 million votes already cast in florida. one area where trump has not done well is in these quote, unquote closed primaries where only republican can vote, and florida is a closed primary, so that should work in rubio's favor. >> and terri, what are you hearing about rick scott? is he going to endorse? >> from what i heard, he's not going to be endorsing, and i think with governor christie's decision to do an endorsement at this point, and that hasn't been well received, i think even if
governor scott was considering making an endorsement, he might be reconsidering that decision after his colleague's decision earlier this week. >> yeah, there had been a whisper campaign about that and the whisper that it wasn't going to go to marco rubio. thank you both. we appreciate your time. we'll be back with much more live at pensacola beach, florida here at casino bar and grill. iv, but i didn't really think it was going to really happen. after one week of chantix, i knew i could quit. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. chantix definitely helped reduce my urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. some had seizures while taking chantix. if you have any of these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of mental health problems, which could get worse or of seizures. don't take chantix if you've had a serious allergic or skin reaction to it. if you have these,
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breaking story at this hour. new information in one of the more famous criminal court cases in american history. the lapd confirms it is testing a knife allegedly given to a retired los angeles police officer that he says was given to him by someone who found it on the property once owned by o.j. simpson. and the circumstances there describing as to how it was found and when are just as bizarre as this trial was in the first place. for more on what the lapd crime division is investigating, let's turn to msnbc news correspondent steve patterson. steve, what do we know? >> bizarre, indeed, kate, and in fact, there are some doubters on this case. we've been working closely with our investigative reporter, andy blankstein, in los angeles. he's got sources close to this story on the ground here that are concerned with making any link from this knife to the crime. the chain of possession, if the timeline matches up, this was found at a construction site by
a construction worker, so there may have been a large number of people who at some point had contact with the knife. two, how long was the knife buried? with this timeline, it would have been nearly 10 years, so investigators aren't so confident it matches up. three, the length of the blade. we're now looking into the knife. it's supposedly a small buck knife, maybe 5 inches, but if you remember from that original case, investigators were looking at a 15-inch stiletto knife that was reportedly sold to simpson before the murders, and obviously the motive of the officer, where that story comes from. police not totally substantiating what he's saying. so here's what we know about this. there w there is a press conference this afternoon. los angeles police confirmed that the knife was found on the former brentwood property of simpson. they're investigating the report that it was discovered years ago by a construction worker who then handed it over to that police officer working security on a nearby film shoot.
that officer retired in the 1990s. early reporting was that police became aware of the knife within the last month but didn't want to talk about how they obtained it. then it came out that the officer was going to keep the knife, then was force to do gd it up after he contacted a friend within the department. now the knife being forensicall tested. and now what's being investigated. >> the bottom line is with all cases that remain open with homicide cases or robbery cases, unless there is a conviction to prove we have actually closed the case, the cases remain open. that is where we are with the o.j. simpson case. i shouldn't say the o.j. simpson case, this is the nicole brown case, this is a double homicide that is still open and ongoing.
so the investigators will continue to look at this. that item has been recovered by robbery homicide investigators. it is being treated as we would all evidence, so it has been submitted to our lab. they are going to study it and examine it for all forensics, including serology and dna and hair sampldses, and that is ongoing as we speak. >> of course, no matter what happens with this investigation, simpson cannot be tried again for murder because of double jeopardy. also that officer may not be facing anything from an administrative standpoint because he's no longer with the lapd. back to you. >> all right, steve patterson, thanks so much. let's turn now to nbc's kelly o'donnell. you know her as our capitol hill correspondent, but kelly, we go back to 1994 and you spent a lot of time covering the trial of o.j. simpson. tell me, based on what you remember, we're all having flashbacks today.
what happened during the trial? remind us, was a weapon ever found at that time? >> i feel like i've been in a time machine today, kate, going back to my days with the l.a. bureau. i'll answer that but i've sort of dusted off old files. i have court documents of the people of california versus orenthal j. simpson. this was a clipping at bundy where nicole brown simpson was living at the time. that was the murder scene. just pieces of what that trial was in my old reporting history. to answer your question, there was never a murder weapon presented at trial. that was a complicating factor for the prosecution team. because it was trying to piece together evidence to make the case against simpson, and they had a lot of blood evidence which the jury had to evaluate, but they did not have a murder weapon. there have been other times when there have been suspicions of a possible knife possibly connected to the case, that
there were other attempts, much like we're experiencing today, where there were questions raised, could it be connected to the simpson case? in chicago where simpson had traveled from los angeles, to chicago for a scheduled business trip, and there were questions about whether a knife could have been dropped there and so forth. so it is part of the lure of this case. and at the same time there is an important thing that comes to mind for me. if simpson was the perpetrator who planted a knife on his own property, a couple of things to think about. the night of the event, there was a limo driver waiting outside simpson's residence to pick him up and take him to the airport. there was a limited amount of time there. he was then in chicago for a few days, came back to los angeles, was later arrested on june 17th and was not released from the county facility, the jail there, until october 3rd, 1995. so he would have had a very
small window of time to have planted such a knife on his own property. that's a question that would have to be dealt with. it does open the possibility could someone have helped him. all kinds of things that are really speculation at this point. but it really goes to the intrigue that this case has created and it is enduring about issues of criminal justice, conduct of the police, race, money, power, sex, relationships, domestic violence, so many different things. there are real serious questions about if this knife could in any way be connected, but it is also part of the los angeles police department trying to show that it is checking this out, and could it answer some of those endue enduring questions, kate. we just don't know yet. >> kelly, it really speaks to your work that you still have those files. >> we don't really use paper anymore. >> i know, but it speaks to this
diligen diligence. the big question to me is why wouldn't the police officer who obtained it have turned it in a long time ago? >> part of what we're learning according to our colleague andy bronstein in los angeles said he was asked about it and claimed the case was closed. there were many who said the case was closed in that those who believe simpson was responsible was acquitted and then found liable in a civil case, that there was not a search for any other perpetrators. so in that sense, perhaps the case was viewed as closed. we heard and were reminded today by the los angeles police department that because there was no conviction, this case does remain open in the murders of nicole brown simpson and ronald goldman. so is it possible that the law enforcement officer wanted to keep this as a souvenir? could he have believed it was not relevant any longer?
those are serious questions that will need to be answered, and what got him to bring it forward now. kate? >> kelly o'donnell, thank you so much. a side note here, don't miss this sunday's dateline special. josh mancowitz, my colleague has a dateline show with marcia clark. if you missed it last night, one of the biggest moments of the debate came at the very end. >> can you definitively say you will support the republican nominee even if that nominee is donald j. trump. senator rubio, yes or no? >> i'll support the republican nominee. >> mr. trump, yes or no? >> i'll support donald if he's the republican nominee. >> yes or no, you will support donald trump if he's the nominee? >> yes, because i gave my word that i would. >> and i kind of think before it's all said and done, i'll be the nominee. >> all three of them supporting
donald trump. let's turn to nbc's katie tur. she's in new orleans ahead of donald trump's rally there a few hours from now. katie, trump seems to be walking back one of the points he made last night in the debate. >> reporter: he does. last night he was talking to bret baier saying even if military commanders refused his orders, things like extreme interrogation, he often says he wants to use things worse than waterboarding to interrogate terrorists, using family members. these are the things that foreign policy experts said they would not do, that generals said they would not do. mr. trump last night told bret baier that he would essentially force them to do that because he would be commander in chief. well, today he is walking back that statement, telling the "washington post" that he would use every legal power that i have to stop these terrorist enemies. i do, however, understand that the united states is bound bylaws and treaties and i will
not order our military officials to violate such laws and i will seek their advice on such matters. this is just one of the instances where he flip-flopped in a matter of hours. last night he was also talking about hb 1 visas. last night he said he supported that, that he thinks there should be more highly skilled workers in this country, that this country needs it. this, of course, was a pretty big break from his immigration policy that said there should be no foreign workers, essentially, coming in, that it should be american born workers. today, actually just an hour after the debate, his campaign was saying he does not support hb1, even pointing to disneyland as an example of that. disneyland, he says, brought in a number of foreign workers that the current workers had to train to replace them to take their jobs. of course, florida being the operative word in that statement.
as we know, florida votes on march 15. it's a really big state and a state donald trump wants to win. but the big takeaway was donald trump was very difficult to nail down on any one subject, his competitor saying he has more insults than he does policy positions. mr. trump, instead of going through his positions, ended up just insulting his competitors. whether this moves the dial remains to be seen. his crowds are still large across the country, and it's expected to be large here in new orleans tonight. kate? >> katie tur following the trump campaign as usual. katie, thanks so much. let's switch over to hallie jackson. she's been covering ted cruz and his campaign. he's working his way down the east coast from maine to maryland, ending up in louisiana, visiting two states with primaries tomorrow, also making a pit stop at cpac. that's the conference in between.
marilyn, i understand you just had a chance to speak to john kasich a few minutes ago. >> sure did, and he followed up on some of his remarks at the debate last night. he talked about, too, his idea about a contested convention, what that means to his campaign, and he dushloubled down on winn ohio. i want you to listen to our conversation from 20 minute ago. >> i'm going to win ohio and then i have to win 60% of the votes. >> that's a big amount. >> and it's not going to happen. i doubt cruz will win 60. and i doubt donald trump will get enough delegates. it's likely we will head to a convention, and why would we not think so, as wacky as this year has been, that someone would not have enough votes to clinch the nomination? >> so it's this idea that it's a will of the people against the will of the party. governor kasich said, listen, the fact of the matter is you've got to win the delegates.
what that means is he has to win his home state of ohio, and i asked him why does he feel so confident, and he said, hey, it's my home state. if there's anyplace he and his campaign knows, it's ohio. ben carson, as you know, withdrew from the republican debate last night. he says he sees no path forward for himself in this race. the big question for dr. carson is whether he will support somebody. he seems to slip to ted cruz, both of them going after the evangelical, the very conservative voter, and that may be 6 to 8% that could help cruz in states like louisiana, which have primaries coming up. that's what we're watching in the next two hours, kate. we'll be posted here at cpac, and we'll keep you updated. >> a lot going on there, and i know ted cruz supposed to speak in the next hour. let's check in with gabe gutierrez. he's following the rubio campaign for us. how you doing, gabe?
>> reporter: kate, good afternoon. it's interesting to hear john kasich speak so frankly about the possibility of a contested convention, saying it's likely. he's right in the sense that it is going to be a very uphill climb for any of these candidates, cruz, rubio or kasich, to be able to overtake donald trump. anything short of a contested convention, the rubio camp says that they are looking forward to florida. this is going to be so crucial for marco rubio, his home state. but right now, as you know, kate, he is down by double digits in that state in one poll, quinnipiac poll, another poll has him down by seven points. earlier today in kansas, he spoke with reporters about his chances in florida. here's what he had to say. >> that's going to be close. florida is a very competitive state. tlar lot of people who live in florida but don't live there year round, so it's a unique state in that regard. it's going to be close especially with someone like donald trump going on and the