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non-insulin victoza®. it's covered by most health plans. if you hear the music, it means we are still talking politics from last night. good day on this day after the night that was in new hampshire. having seen each other really just hours ago, here we go now with a little more clarity in this race. we're going to take you the rest of the way until the beginning of "meet the press daily" tonight. there are the republicans as they fan out after donald trump's victory, and a very interesting race on the ticket after trump. there are your two victors, donald trump and bernie sanders, as they now head into very different political territory, getting ready for south carolina. we have the day in politics
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covered as we always do, and talking about south carolina, we should begin to draw back the curtain on just how different the politics are there compared to iowa and, of course, compared to new hampshire. kerry sanders is down there covering the arrival of the trump campaign, a new day for them, kerry. >> reporter: well, brian, we're still about four hours before donald trump comes here to tiny pendleton, south carolina, population 2900, and if you look over my shoulder, you can see some folks have already started lining up here waiting for donald trump. those voters who are here, those supporters say they're really excited by what they saw happen in new hampshire. they are, of course, feeling the same thing will happen here in south carolina in 10 days during the republican primary. donald trump will be speaking inside this livestock arena here. as we take you inside, you can see that normally this is a rodeo arena. it's a really cold day here. it's about 29 degrees here right
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n now. even though it's sunny out, the wind is blowing, and this is an uninsulated building, so it's going to be a cold gathering. they still expect somewhere between 4 to 5,000 people to show up here. that would be more people than live in this tiny town of pendleton. a lot of people coming here to hear donald trump as donald trump has already spoken about what he sees the poll numbers in south carolina possibly coming true when it comes for that actual vote. he says that because of what took place in new hampshire. here's what he told joe scarborough early this morning on msnbc. >> the polling was just about exactly right. we had the polling at 34, 35, 32. probably the result was even a little bit higher than the polling. but i think they're all really potential threats, but i'm okay at handling threats. >> reporter: so we have some old polls, really, here in south carolina.
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that was taken in january, but it showed donald trump in january polling at 36% here and ted cruz at 20% here. that may have switched up a little bit, but remember, brian, here you've got the evangelical vote, and donald trump perhaps didn't do as well as he thought he would do with the evangelicals in iowa, and cruz is now wooing those voters here. so it's going to be a real fight for the votes here for the next 10 days. we're already beginning to see some vicious words back and forth, and i suspect donald trump is going to keep that going as he generally does when he takes to the podium before a large crowd. brian? >> kerry sanders on a cold day in south carolina. it will heat up inside that rodeo arena behind you later on. kerry, thank you very much. we want to alert everyone to a political story we are following on our watch right now. an outgrowth of last night, an outgrowth of the past couple weeks. it has to do with new jersey governor chris christie. as you may know, two things are important here.
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he staked everything on new hampshire. he spent a lot of time in that state. the result last night for him was not what the christie campaign was looking for. they were in single digits, did not crack double digits, and someone said last night on cable he committed a political murder-suicide. he knocked down marco rubio and is responsible for the bad finish of rubio but did not help himself in the process. and today we may see the second part of that rumored to be the day chris christie pulls out of the race. kelly o'donnell has covered him for months on and off. she is in trenton, new jersey. kelly, what do we know about the christie for president effort? >> well, brian, i'm told by long-time friend and ally of governor christie that he intends to suspend his campaign. others who are close to him say he is not yet prepared to make that public because he's going through the process of talking to supporters, staffers, close
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friends, and that we should expect some formal announcement, not a public event, not a news conference, not something like that, but the announcement itself of his intentions sometime later today or, at the very latest, slipping into tomorrow. but some of the people very close to christie who have been in regular touch with him, who have been a part of his political life and this campaign, say that it is his intention to suspend. part of why this is taking some time, brian, is that governor christie really believed, and many on his cam baypaign did as well, that he had performed well enough in that debate where he took so much of the prosecutorial arm against marco rubio that that had been enough to shine. he got a lot of attention for that. but christie believed that the campaign was getting new life. and so the sixth place finish in new hampshire was a real blow. and the resources become a
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question. those sources i've been talking to say there was sort of enough money in the campaign till to keep going to south carolina, that next important contest, but they needed a bump out of new hampshire. they needed good news to sell to donors to bring in new resources to keep goin without that, there just wasn't a case to make. and so it is not a surprise that it's come to this. it's taking some time because it was more of a surprise to those closest to the effort wanting to take time to reach out to all the people involved before making it official and public. but sources are saying to me he will suspend his campaign. brian? >> kelly o'donnell on the christie campaign and the after-effects from new hampshire. kelly, thanks. msnbc's alex sikes wall remains in new hampshire where it's all over but the shouting. alex, as you look back on last night's democratic result, what are the numbers that have come
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to light today? we're also about to have this same conversation with lawrence o'donnell. >> well, brian, it is absolutely a blowout for bernie sanders. a 22-point victory. his campaign just announced they raised $5.2 million in the 18 hours since the polls have closed. one thing to keep in mind going forward. new hampshire is one of the whitest states in the country, very liberal democratic voting base. we move on to south carolina where in 2008, 60% of the democratic turnout was african-american. very favorable to hillary clinton. she's up in the polls there by 40 or 50 points, depending on the polls, and her campaign is aggressively turning that direction. a few moments ago, they held a conference call with the anp professional to talk about race and that issue. bernie sanders acknowledged this is rough for him. he had a meeting earlier today
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with reverend al sharpton and he discussed how this is difficult for him. take a look. >> how do you intend now to deal with a diverse populist in both south carolina and nevada? >> in a couple ways. first of all, we are going to do well when voter turnout is high. that happened in new hampshire and actually happened in iowa as well. we have the addition, we have the ground troops to rally people in south carolina. >> one thing to keep in mind, brian, south carolina and nevada, very different states. while south carolina is going to be a very tough road for bernie sanders, i just talked to a senior sanders campaign official who is much more bullish on nevada. they're basically picking up their entire campaign staff rg movi -- moving it to nevada. they think if they can increase the turnout, excite young people
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like they have in other states, they can carry the day there, even though they have a large hispanic population, particularly territorial. >> and the caucus and the primary couldn't be more different. alex, thank you very much. as promised, we are joined here in the studio by a guy -- it seems to me we just talked to him a few hours ago in new hampshire. >> if you recognize this tie, brian, it's the one that was beside you last night in new hampshire. no time for a wardrobe change. >> you have had time to put your formidable mind on work on what happened last night. what's your answer, what's your analysis? >> what happened last night on the democratic side is that bernie sanders had time to change minds in new hampshire. he started off way behind hillary clinton in new hampshire, and when he went out there and talked to sanders voters, one, everyone was thinking everything bernie
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sanders was saying before they said it. finally there was someone who had their campaign. most changed their minds from hillary clinton to bernie sanders, and most had done it within the last few weeks. they had a year in new hampshire to think about this. the first poll of those candidates was a year ago. time is no longer bernie sanders' friend. he's not going to have that kind of time to change minds in south carolina and nevada. but his campaign has shown he's capable of doing it. now it's the race against time. probably will close the gap somewhat in south carolina. >> don't move an inch. we're going back to kelly o'donnell in new jersey not for news in the christie campaign but for another matter and prove that this can often be the day of entrenchment in politics. kelly? >> carly fiorina has announced she is suspending her campaign.
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the only woman in the republican field and has fought to get on the main debate stage, and had some moments of time during this campaign season when she had some traction, mainly when she was going toe to toe with donald trump who had said some of his characteristically semi-judgmental things of her. but fiorina has not been able to turn that into a sustainable campaign. she says for young girls and young women, she hopes to be a model for stepping forward and being involved. she says she will continue to speak out on conservative issues, wants to see a conservative become a nominee of the republican party. but carly fiorina is ending her campaign, t campaign. the term of art used in these circles is suspending because they can continue to raise money, pay its bills, but the effective campaign of carly fiorina will end. she also had not qualified for
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the last debate, and it was hard to see a path for her. but she made a mark being a woman on the stage in what has been a crowded field in a year of the outsider, brian, as a woman of business who had run before in a senate seat but never held office, trying to break through a year when outsiders were here. >> we also await word on the status of the christie campaign. back to lawrence o'donnell. let's turn a corner. still in terms of the results of last night, what does this mean for the formidable clinton campaign effort? >> well, the thing about unbeatable campaigns is they can't be beaten. so hillary clinton no longer has the unbeatable campaign. sometimes you can get the energy of underdog, but bernie sanders
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has kind of a permanent underdog advantage in the way that he's campaigning against the establishment, as he puts it. so there is an energy that's unique to that campaign. i want to quick think of what's happening on the republican side. between carly fiorina and chris christie last night, that's 12 points. that's 12 points that has to be get reinstated somewhere on this field. these candidates are much more compatible with john kasich. that came out of the new hampshire strong. christie has to be making phone calls to the fiorina people at this point. >> what can the fiorina people offer. i love watching televised focus groups. she enjoyed some support in those televised focus grums.
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obviously just couldn't make the deal this time. >> this is all very tricky because we like to think of it as not linear. it would be nice if fiorina voters went to clinton. i talked to a woman on saturday, and she was undecided between hillary clinton, who she had been with most of the year, and ted cruz because he won iowa. so everyone thinks, let's just redistribute these republican votes in the republican column. not necessarily. >> lord knows if this was part of the fiorina decision. it's interesting donald trump's first eercvent is in a rodeo ve. for those for whom it is their first rodeo, describe exactly how rough it can get. >> bernie sanders used a great line last night when he said. they tone it would everybody up.
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everybody says the kitchen sink is. they don't necessarily penl ooilz. we may see a completely different tone here, and as this calendar moves along, desperation gelts. anxiety gets higher, the fight gets more intense, it gets more expensive to stay in there. the one reason people drop out now is you're at a point now that we can tell you with virtual certainty that the only resort you have now for staying in is campaign debt. i have seen presidential campaign debt basically destroy the lives of candidates who spent years after the fact in many cases trying to make up that money. that's a thing that you don't want to have to carry and these candidate will be getting out in
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a way they won't have to carry. >> thank you. and speaking with us tonight, former governor of the state and former congressman of south carolina, mark. what do you think happened today? >> it comes down to numbers. as expressed by lawrence, it's crunch time here in south carolina. it's either put up or shut up. i think it's necessary in these campaigns, you go into campaign debt as he talked. >> let's talk about the politics in your state. what do you tell first-timers heading to south carolina looking for a gentile, southern experience? >> put your helmet on.
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going back to the time of lee atwater and before, politics in south carolina has been with sharp elbows. these contests, as we just alluded to, things are employed that aren't accepted in other states. they are accepted in this state for whatever reason. i don't condone it. it is a combination of mad max thunderdome and titum gainsboro. put that in the way that electric votes are held. >> how do you think donald trump will be greeted there, and same thing for jeb bush, who is manning a big push there? >> donald is welcome in south carolina. his campaign has defied all political convention and it's
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holding true in south carolina. the area where he's strongest is the bible belt of south carolina, the i-80 corridor. it's based on economics, the textile region of south carolina. and while some people have gotten great high-end manufacturing jobs, some people have been left behind. and i think that's, in essence, the jet fuel behind this campaign is economic certainty. as for jeb, it's going to be all home week. south carolina habgos bee has b the bush family, and i think it will be beyond as they make lots of trips in and out of south carolina. >> they've enjoyed the support of many medal of honor recipients. it's such a heavily military and retired military state, that has
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to help him somewhat. >> i think it does. i think it does. i mean, i think that the polls are actually going to narrow. right now trump is out front, but i think it's going to narrow between trump, cruz, but i want to put jeb bush in that show but i think he has good momentum right now and he's spinning heavily. if you look at the numbers in the last cycle 2012, $8 million was spent in totality in the republican primary. already 24 million has been spent in advertising, and we're still 11, 10 days out, whatever it is. we have a ways to go. half of that money has been spent on behalf of jeb and their superpac. i think you'll see a lot more money spent between here and next saturday. >> it's a real cold day where you're from. you're from a great place.
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things. and we're also watching the christie for president campaign. he finished in the single digits after placing all of his chips in new hampshire. he really went after it hard. he was the one at saturday night's debate who went after marco rubio, and by all accounts, wounded him badly enough to drop him several different points in the standings last night coming out of new hampshire. the question now is, what remains of the rubio campaign and rubio's chances as the primary contest goes south to south carolina? gabe gutierrez continues to cover the rubio for president effort. gabe, i recall a spirited discussion you and chris matthews had about the communication skills of marco rubio, and the question i guess needs to be asked, given your
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knowledge of the candidate, does he -- i guess we're going to find out -- does he have another game? does he have a side of him willing to be more conversational, more transparent and not kind of the memorization we have seen get him in a terrible position. he's apologized for it, in fact. >> he says he does. we just got off a charter plane he and his campaign took to south carolina. he spoke to the crowd for 45 minutes. it's a departure over what he had done in the last week or so. he said he wanted to talk to the voters, he didn't want to talk to the media, and many voters said he was just too cautious. i asked him, when did he realize this was going to be such a blow? when did he realize the enormity of that? he said it wasn't until after the debate when he saw
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everything on social media. then the question became, when did you decide to own up to it? he didn't really own up to it until his speech last night when he apologized to his supporters. and he said, this will never happen again. according to him on his campaign plane today, he said, i didn't want to talk about it on sunday because i didn't want to hurt the morale of my campaign. the volunteers were working very hard in the middle of the campaign, and i didn't want to mess that up. now he says he feels he needs to own it. the question is, can he bounce back here in south carolina? can he convince these donors to support him over, say, jeb bush? and he did talk about that wi winnowing republican field. and now carly fiorina suspending, here's what he had to say. >> now with governor christie out, i don't know what ben and carly are doing, but depending on the criteria this weekend, it's not going to be nine people
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this weekend. aren't you the moderator? >> i am. >> what is it? >> i would like the question answered. >> reporter: he says he has vowed to run a more aggressive campaign, less stilted campaign. during the gaggle, they brought up that debate moment. how does it compare to rick per perry's oops moment a few years ago? and he said, rick perry couldn't remember what he had to say. apparently i remembered it too well. brian? >> so, gabe, chris christie, the good news is chris christie won't be on the stage to bring about that same response. the bad news is people will now pore over the videotape of him standing in the aisle of the aircraft looking to see if comments that he embedded in that impromptu conversation, if he has the ability to go the
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other way. when it's another republican debate, he will really be under the microscope. >> reporter: he certainly went back over the talking points, the talking points in the gaggle or some of the ones he's been saying in his stump speech. he repeeats that over and over and over again. his argument is, look, this is my message. voters don't pay as close attention as the media does, and he wants to make sure his message is heard. he does say he doesn't hold any hard feelings over chris christie. i suppose we'll take him at his word. >> gabe gutierrez, spartansburg, south carolina. when we come back, we'll check in with the cruz campaign coming off of victory in iowa. they were not expected to win new hampshire, but now going to south carolina becomes another problem entirely. >> all the school age kids here,
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if you don't believe donald is the right person to be republican nominee, if you don't believe he's the right person to go head to head with hillary clinton and bernie sanders, if you don't believe he's the right person to be commander in chief, what we're seeing is conservatives uniting behind our campaign. >> ted cruz and his campaign. they now head into south carolina after last night's result in new hampshire. covering it all, hallie jackson who has been on the trail with him. hallie, how does this work? what is the cruz strategy going into south carolina? a friendlier state for them than new hampshire was.
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>> you have a large evangelical vote, something that will play in ted cruz's favor. largely this is what we saw with iowa, him getting out there trying to mobilize conservatives to his candidacy. south carolina is different than iowa because it's a bit more pocketed when it comes to media markets, the demographics of the state and where the electorate is made up of. you have jeb bush and ben carson playing to upstate south carolina. he ended up flying back for a vote in washington, but his wife and father will be here trying to rally conservatives around him. south carolina is a place he's already put in staff. he's got some 900 volunteers here. he's moved his staff to south carolina to try to mobilize people, and he picked up momentum in new hampshire. you talked about new hampshire not being a good fit for ted
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cruz, and frankly, no one really expected him to come in third place when you look at what the betting game was prior to iowa. but the fact cruz was able to place in the top three in new hampshire could be significant for him. listen to how cruz reacted to that this morning. >> last night we came out of the night with a strong third place finish. the screaming that y'all heard from just north of the potomac was all the washington cartel pulling their hair outgoi, goin what on earth just happened? >> reporter: and that is ted cruz at his ted cruziest, brian, the idea that he's going against the washington cartel. it's a message that put him in the top two with donald trump, including the top two in south carolina according to the journalist poll that was taken
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january 23rd, putting trump on top, ted cruz, marco rubio just behind him. we're looking at how that shakes up since then. brian? >> hallie jackson covering the cruz campaign, and fair warning for all those for whom this is their first political rodeo, get ready for south carolina, as congressman sanford just said. bring that helmet. let's talk to the man who runs the republican party down there. matt moore is party chairman. he's been kind enough to join us today. matt, can you bring us any assurance about manners, politeness, southern gentility, perhaps, seeping into the mentality? >> get ready, brian. i think sanford would have a rock in one hand, that kind of
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thing. >> who do you want to pick for south carolina? most recently i think of those robo calls about senator mccain when he was in the race. but there's enough blame to go around. why is it the way it is? and it's always such a neck snapper coming out of iowa and new hampshire because of the relative gentility and earnestness because of the el t electorate in those states? >> one is i think south carolina is a very important test for these campaigns. you have to have a fully functioning, mechanical operation of your campaign, but also momentum and money. as you've seen today, governor christie, lack of momentum. carly fiorina, lack of money and momentum. it's a tough test. it's a state geographically about 70,000 people here. throughout south carolina's history, we have played a central role. i think every american conflict from the revolution to the civil war and beyond. it's a state with fascinating
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history. >> let me ask you about carly fiorina as we watch her on screen. this announcement today she's suspending her effort with a calculus in mind of how she might do down there. what kind of percentage was she facing? >> she was polling pretty poorly in south carolina. carly fiorina is a great woman. i think she's got a bright future. i'm anxious to see where those voters go, where chris christie's go. in the next few weeks, i'm interested to see, especially last night, where those voters will go eventually. there is a debate here in south carolina saturday night. those debates are always really, really critical in our state. >> so the upside for the state and your party, all those media people fly in and spend money on fine meals, not limited to
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barbecue, and they also spend money on polling to let you all know in the state where they stand basically every 10 minutes. >> that's exactly right. we'll have a positive spotlight shining on hur state. this is a conservative party, a conservative state. don't forget, in just 10 days or so following south carolina is the so-called sec primary. south carolina is really important to head candidates off into georgia and beyond. >> what's this 17-degree weather i'm hearing about in south carolina? that's not anything the kpchamb of commerce will want anyone to know. >> yes, it's extremely cold here. it's in the 40s today. we hope to have 70s bit end of the week, so stick around. >> as we leave you, jeb bush is coming in very proud of his support by a dozen medal of honor recipients. i'm guessing he'll stop by
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patriots point, the medal of honor museum. his brother, the former president, is coming. i know you've got to be chairman of all the party, but handicap for me, if you will, what you think the bush outcome and strategy will be there. >> well, the bush name here in south carolina was very highly respected. george w. bush won in 2000, george h.w. bush won in '88. he has some work to do here in south carolina. the polling here matches the polling in south carolina. it shows donald trump, ted cruz, marco rubio and jeb, and ben carson, let's not forget him, with work to do. it's a jump ball here in south carolina, and this race is nowhere near being decided. >> all right, jeb bush is being introduced. we'll go to him when he starts to speak. matt moore, chairman of the republican party in south carolina, thank you very much for joining us today. have a successful primary election season down there. again, another break.
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the democratic lions in the state of south carolina politically. the dean of that delegation and a formidable guy whose word, whose endorsement will indeed mean a lot in that state. talking about hillary clinton versus bernie sanders. fair warning, we're going to mix up a jum beble of topics he. i want to show you what's happening live in south carolina where senator graham sat the end of a long wind-up. he's going to introduce jeb bush. we'll bring that to you when we see the whites of jeb bush's eyes. we're also going to talk about democratic politics. the other night you might have heard john kasich at the gop debate name-check our next guest. she has been our guest several times, former ohio state senator nina turner, who is supporting bernie sanders. how did you manage to have john
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kasich name-check you at a gop debate? that was a neat trick and quite a bank shot. i noted it when it happened. >> well, it was, brian, the second time the governor did that. the governor and i are working on bridging t debridging the ga state of ohio and the community. we've had disappointing high-profile shootings. the governor signed an executive order in 2014 to deal with that. so i am proud to work with the governor in that regard, it is very important. let us note for the first time in ohio's history, we will have metrics that police officers have to follow in the great state of ohio. and the governor did that before there were any incidences of violence in this great state. so the governor and i have had our battles over the years, but when it comes to healing our communities and doing the right thing for the state, the governor was right there, he did not hesitate, and i'm proud to serve as a chair on the
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community task force. >> duly noted. you're here today on behalf of senator sanders, and let's talk about the path ahead for senator sanders, specifically south carolina and specifically the african-american population of the democratic party. it's going to take a lot more in plain english than taking al sharpton out to lunch and buying lunch at sylvia's. he knows that. it's going to take telling his life story, which everyone doesn't realize was heavily weighted when he was a young man, and heavily entwined with the civil rights struggle, with dr. king, and with chicago. but in the hour, he does not have much time. time is not his friend anymore. >> brian, he has been working on this ever since he announced his run for president of the united states of america. senator sanders is the senator from vermont. he cannot control the
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demographics. it's a 70% white population, so he understands he has to take his message not only to the african-american community but our hispanic brothers and sisters of color. he gets that. he has a team on the ground in south carolina in battle. i've been to south carolina and i've talked to folks, african-american folks, believe it or not, will vote for senator sanders. i've been in baltimore with the senator when dr. bryant hosted an event with african-american ministers all over the country, and they wanted to talk about not only do black lives matter but black education, black prosperity. all those things came up. i was in the room with the senator and killer mike when he talked to some of our millennials, our african-american black lives matter millennials and other millennials who have other groups, and they wanted to talk to him about what it would take to lift the african-american community. so he clearly understands that he does not have a head start, secretary clinton does. she has a decades worth head
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start. but he knows he's going to have to earn the african-american vote. until that point that vote should be earned no matter who it is. nobody owns the african-american vote, they have to earn that vote. he's been working very hard. he's been working hard ever since he made the announcement that he is running for president of the united states. >> final question, senator, and that is, do you see a switch go off when people do hear his life story, and have you been surprised at how many people come into the conversation knowing his life story? >> i do see that switch. it was the same switch, among other things, that happened for me, the juxtaposition of my life story. growing up in a single mother household, being a college graduate, having my mother die when i was 22 years old. that college thing right there, where he talks about how college education, free public colleges and universities can help the young people in this country of all ethnicities, change the
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projection of their lives. to me it became crystal clear when my son was able to walk across the stage. i know from personal experience. yes, i hear mothers and fathers talking about that, how they want their children to have a better life. when they hear senator sanders even as a young 20-something fight against discrimination at that institution that he has heart/soul agreement, that is what any community wants. they want to make sure they have leaders who are going to take it to the status quo on their behalf, that believes that everyday people, the working poor and middle class, deserve to have pathways of opportunities so that they can live out their greatest dreams. senator sanders has heart and he shows it every day. we are going to see communities of color really resonate with his me sssagemessage. senator, thank you very much. a pleasure to talk to you again
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let's go quickly to mt. pleasant, south carolina, the greater low country republican women's club, where jeb bush just got very cranked up, discussing donald trump, among other subjects. let's listen in. >> -- wasn't all hunky-dory. wasn't just all, yes, sir, whatever you want, we'll just go ahead and do these things. we transformed the state. in florida, we had eight balanced budgets. by the end of it, we had $9 billion of reserves.
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basically, a third of all general revenue spent was held in reserve. eight balanced budgets. we did it because i was frugal. i had the basic belief that government shouldn't grow faster than the people's ability to pay for it. we need a balanced budget amendment so government in washington learns to live within our means. in florida, in florida they called me veto korleone, because i vetoed a lot of stuff. i vetoed one item, i was really passionate about education. i vetoed one item for, it was a juvenile justice program, called where are you at. i vetoed it for bad grammar. but generally, i vetoed these projects because they didn't go through a process. they weren't vetted. they weren't part of a strategy. what you would expect, a conservative to do, i did each and every budget year. 2,500 separate line items in the budget, bringing discipline -- >> if you've watched any of the gop debates, you have, quite
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candidly, heard this center part of his remarks. interesting, though, just to see his demeanor, body language, people with a soft spot for all things bush last night were saying, after the new hampshire result, they are happy for him, roaring out of new hampshire, with some life to his campaign, and we will see how he converts that in places like south carolina. also, on this ash wednesday, let's go to luke russert on capitol hill, because there's a vote. and luke, help me describe how a vote on north korea has found its way into the race for president in this country. >> well, brian, it's a rarity, and it's a rarity because ted cruz and marco rubio are coming back to washington to participate in their day job. and this is not something they've done a whole heck of a lot since january. they've only made one vote here since january. if you go back since they announced for president, rubio's
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missed about 50% of his vote. bernie sanders has missed about 16.5, and ted cruz, about 33%. so their absence has been noted. the reason why this vote is so important, though, especially on the republican side, is north korea, over the last month or so, there has been reports of them doing testing on something as powerful as a hydrogen bomb, recently launching a rocket with a satellite into orbit, without permission. the united states wants to have a swift authoritative response and the senate will pass new sanctions today, for as john mccain said, he wants to make the chinese pay. so these sanctions will focus on different sources of income that north korea gets from china, and really try and ratchet up the pressure. it's going to be a bipartisan vote. and for guys like rubio and cruz who want to be strong on national security, it's very important for them to be here. also, marco rubio says he's going to intend some intel committee briefings while he's here, gives him something to use against governors in the race,
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who say he's never run on anything, he can say, look, i have the foreign policy chops and experience because i was in the room when those very important briefings were being displayed. >> luke russert ton hill where all votes counts, but some more than others this time of year. every four years. we'll take a break and when we come back, we'll talk about the trump effort going forward. we'll talk to rachel maddow. and as we go to a break, check out some of what president obama said today to the state assembly gathering in illinois, where he launched his political career. fairly honest and wide-ranging marks today about our state of politics, our state of candor in politics in america. >> when i hear voices in either party boast of their refusal to compromise, as an accomplishment, in and of itself, i'm not impressed. all that does is prevent what most americans would consider
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(vo) making the most out of every mile. that's why i got a subaru impreza. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. i said i was going to do well there, and we really did, i guess, even better than anticipated. >> trump can talk a good game. and he -- man, he's a good talker. but i think we need someone who's actually disrupted the old order. >> two weeks in a row, the media, the washington establishment has been astonished, has been terrified, has been beaten. >> we just keep doing what we do. we're going to go through south carolina, on to the rest of the states. >> in my mind, you learn from it, you take lessons, and you move on. i think it will make me a better candidate. >> we've decided we're going to go home to new jersey. we're going to take a deep breath.
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>> now we take this campaign to the entire country. we're going to fight for every vote in every state. >> thank you, new hampshire! and now it's on to nevada, south carolina, and beyond. >> well, welcome back, as we begin the 4:00 hour here eastern time. look at what new hampshire did, all of it. also embedded in there, look at how expensive it is to run for president, where just about all the campaigns must have private chartered aircraft to get them from point "a" to point "b," simply because time is money and it's potential rest and it's potential time with aides and with constituents and potential supporters. can't fly commercial all the time, when you're trying to get to these places, especially in the middle of the night, and especially in spitting snow, as was the case last night. we have it all covered today, and we have already, in just
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this last hour, a lot of moving parts. first of all, the news of the hour is, carly fiorina is suspending her effort for president. disappointing result for her last night in new hampshire. of course, she didn't make the cut for the last boisterous gop debate. and obviously, had to work the models and algorithms about the support she could have enjoyed in south carolina. her rate of spending versus rate of contributions and the debt is a big deal to presidential candidates, often retiring that debt can take years. also, in the midst of a very painful decision is chris christie of new jersey. he had bragged yesterday in new hampshire that he was on an 8:00 a.m. flight to south carolina today. that was canceled along with three events. he, his wife, mary pat, members of their family and close aides
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decided instead after last night's disappointing showing, in single and not double digits, to fly back to new jersey. in the past hour, our own kelly o'donnell citing aides along with "the new york times" in the past hour, citing aides to christie, saying, he, too, will suspend his campaign for president. so, it's an interesting backdrop right now. rachel maddow is here with us in the studio to talk about what happened last night. where it leaves us, where we go now. you pick 'em? >> you know, i will say, brian, i'm tired. we worked a long day and we were up late last night -- >> i don't know what you're talking about. >> there's reason to feel physical exhaustion here. but watching that little montage of tape soft different candidates last night, some on their way up, some on their way down, with the nbc election music playing, literally made my heart race. i'm not kidding, i'm not playing
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it up. this is such an unbelievably pivotal moment in terms of what the leadership of our country is going to be. and it is still absolutely unpredictable in terms of what happens next. the gop field is getting smaller today. already with carly fiorina, maybe with chris christie, but this is really, really important, what happens next. i think on carly fiorina, giving her her due, she made a good case for herself. i think that for whatever reason, this was not the moment. obviously, it's not that she's a business person or an outsider, the republican front-runner right now has that same cv in a certain way and is doing very well by it. i don't know to which degree gender played a role in the way that her campaign went. she certainly cited both gender and feminism in her outgoing statement, kind of an inspiring statement, in terms of what women and girls should expect from the political process and don't let might be tell you how you ought to vote, just because you're a woman. it's a nice way for her to go. a nice ringing shot with which
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she's leaving the field. but she is leaving. and for me it sort of feels cautionary about the debates. for everyone who says, marco rubio is done, he's toast because he had one debate. well, carly fiorina rocketed to the top of the polls when she had one good one. he had one bad one, doesn't mean he's done. she had one good one, doesn't mean she's going to win. that lofted her in september, but she's back down. and now her or chris christie were due to even be on the stage this next weekend. >> let's take rubio. he has some experience in becoming a meme with the gulp of water during the gop response. that stuck to him for a good, long time. and now this. and this will, as we talked to gabe gutierrez about this in the last hour, this will show us, if he has another game. the guy who had the reputation of being the memorization candidate, the by rote
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candidate, this will show us, already, talked to the press for 45 minutes on his plane. >> that's new. that's very new for him. >> although gabe says embedded in those 45 minutes were repetition of some points. so this is going to be a tough road for him. >> it will be interesting to see whether or not marco rubio's political obituary was written by chris christie. i mean, the ad that chris christie put out about marco rubio, which was called "scripted," which featured marco rubio repeating the same phrases over and over again came out on friday. before the debate. then did the critique live to his face, and it was borne out there on live television to devastating effect. again, i don't think there's any reason to say from this vantage point, oh, we can see how this ends. i think lerve who's been predicting long-term, the way things go in this race has been rightfully embarrassed by those patrick predictions. but marco rubio does have, basically, a chance to show that he's got more depth than people expected. and he's got a chance to show
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that he's got a case to make for himself, other than his electability and his smoothness. talking to undecided voters in new hampshire, particularly talking to republican-inclined undecided voters, when people say they were considering rubio, and almost every undecided voter said they were considering him, i would ask what they liked about him, and they would say, it seems like he's doing well, it seems like he might win, and it seems like he's on the rise and therefore electable and therefore i should grab those coattails. if it doesn't seem like that anymore, then what is left for marco rubio. he might need to redefine his basic pitch to the voters as well as hillary clinton does. >> and for a lot of voters, their f8 key was the man the clinton campaign fears the most. and that column won't be written probably anymore. >> no. >> i just want to -- my cautionary note is, especially for the young people, getting involved in politics for the first time. i hope everyone is ready for what can happen in south
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carolina. >> what do you mean? >> i hope everyone understands that it's really tough down there. >> yeah, yeah. you know, "the post" and kocourr is doing an interesting thing in south carolina. they've asked viewers or readers to submit instances that they find in nature of dirty tricks. one of the great things about south carolina, republican politics in particular, is that it's dirty, it's nasty, it's underhanded, and it's ephemeral. that stuff disappears. there's rumors, there's flyers tucked under windshields, there's robocalls where they don't leave a message if you don't answer. ask john mccain, and there's so many instances of it and so many different kinds of campaigns. and south carolina is just legendary for it. i don't know if that stuff is going to be more transparent or sort of more captured in the social media age this time. but it's going to get, it's going to get very ugly, very fast. >> about the democrats, hillary clinton, by all accounts, huddling, thinking, strategizing, moving forward,
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working. bernie sanders appears with al sharpton, he's got a personal story intertwined with the civil rights struggle, but as lawrence said in the last hour, time is not his friend anymore, to tell the personal story. >> well, it's interesting, because i look at the clinton campaign versus the sanders' campaign and the sanders' campaign is like a rifle shot. they've got one message. they've got one thing they're doing. they're at high-velocity and have been doing it with incredible discipline from the very beginning. look at bernie sanders' speeches now versus bernie sanders' speeches when he declared and they've got a little fine tuning, maybe some artful repetition, a little more i am bernie sanders the man mixed into them, but it's the same thing. hillary clinton is more like a shotgun cartridge releasing a whole bunch of shot. they're trying a whole bunch of different things, hoping one of them will matter. and i think that they've decided on that. and that's who these guys are. the clinton campaign in 2008,
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right around this time really panicked. and when they changed course in the way they were going after barack obama, this upstart who they never thought would be a problem for them, it didn't work. changing course didn't work. the robbie mook hillary clinton campaign manager memo that we saw last nighttimed to be released at poll closing time was a map for a different kind of clinton approach. that was a map saying, we are not going to waiver, we are not going to change, we know where we're going. we're going to march, we're going to win by the end of march. don't expect anything different from us. we know who we are and where we're going this time. we'll see. the campaign manager plans on not running this the way they ran it in 2008 where they kept taking all these 45-degree turns. they're planning on making it more straight ahead. it's not how they've run so far, but we'll see. >> rachel maddow, thank you. get some rest. >> you know, i can't. that's the problem. >> i understand. back to kelly o'donnell, there
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in trenton, new jersey, to cover what may be the end of the formal christie campaign, but it was in the course of that kelly came on the air and told us about the carly fiorina campaign being suspended. do you have anything to add to either, kelly? >> reporter: i think on the carly fiorina story, brian, people will look back on her candidacy for a couple of things. she was one of the first voices in the very large republican field to set her sights on going after hillary clinton. and as a woman, among all of those men, she could do it in a withering style that in some ways sort of inoculated the rest of the republican field to sort of avoid some of the gender concerns, because as a woman ceo, she was going fiercely after hillary clinton, saying she had lied about benghazi and other things. in addition, a standout moment that won her support from conservatives, but became very controversial and widely disputed on the left of the political spectrum is when carly
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fiorina talked about the videos associated with planned parenthood and the controversy that was going on related to fetal tissue donation. she gave a very graphic, very descriptive comment about that. and the facts didn't measure up. in the republican world, she was table to sort of press forward and insist that she had seen the videos and what they depicted in that way that really, it really ignites those who are against abortion rights on the conservative side of the political spectrum. planned parenthood swiftly denounced her. others criticized her for that, but that was a moment in terms of the rhetoric of this election season that will stand out. she was trying to appeal strongly to those who are on the far end of the conservative spectrum, and at the same time, she was campaigning against the political class, as she described it. often framing this as her job interview for the presidency. now, turning to chris christie,
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i am told by different sources, slightly different things, brian. a longtime ally and associate tells me that governor christie does intend to suspend his campaign. that is a way to categorize it that allows the campaign to continue to raise money, pay its bills, and if there was some extraordinary circumstance, could spring back to life. that's a pretty standard way for candidates to exit a race in a way that preserves the business of the campaign. however, those in the christie inner circle are also saying the governor is not yet prepared to make his intentions known, but it is likely to come some time late this afternoon or perhaps stretching a bit beyond that. why the wait? because governor christie has been trying to be in touch with those people who have been supportive of him, trying to map out what comes next, and trying to sort of take it all in after a brutal night in new hampshire last night, at a time when christie thought he might get a rebound. that didn't happen. brian? >> kelly o'donnell in trenton
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two days ago in south carolina, we filled up a stadium, it was packed with people, and there's something going on. it's a movement. people want to see a smart country. they want to see us take the country back. >> everybody involved with politics, with the gravelly voice and puffy eyes this morning, and all day today, because sleep was in short supply coming out of new hampshire last night. donald trump was no different. he is holding an event later this afternoon in south carolina. the venue is a rodeo venue, while he has gained a lot of political experience already this year, this is his first rodeo as far as the south carolina primary is concerned. kerry sanders is in pendleton, where our weather check last hour showed 27 degrees, an unseasonably cold day. kerry, from the looks of you, it is still 27 degrees. i'm going to assume that the arrival of an ambulance over
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your shoulder doesn't indicate any further problems, however. >> reporter: you know, the windchill is getting me, too, here. it's extreme lly cold, but it's not stopping hundreds of people from showing up. those are the trump supporters who just beyond that ambulance are gathered outside, waiting for the opportunity to go inside, to the rodeo arena. we're still about three hours out from donald trump actually arriving here and talking to the crowd. a lot of enthusiasm among his supporters. not only because of the wind in new hampshire, but that they believe that he's on the right side of the issues that speak to south carolina voters here. specifically, as we take a look at a poll that we did among likely republican voters here, the number one issue here was terrorism and the threat to the nation. and donald trump has been talking repeatedly about building that wall, as well as banning muslims. and among donald trump supporters, that is a big number one issue. also talking about job creation. that is, of course, important to those here in south carolina. and donald trump, again,
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referring back to his "build a wall" to get the deportation of those he says are illegally to open up jobs for more americans. and then we look at the third issue on the list for republican voters, and that would be government waste. and donald trump repeatedly saying, he is an outsider. he's not taking money from pac money, he's not taking money from special interests, and that he believes, in part, that will help cut down waste, and then finally, an that shall he may be a little weak on, and that is important to south carolina voters, and that is one of religion and public morals. at the end of the day, donald trump here today says that he is going to speak to a crowd, that he expects the it might be up to 5,000. he says he's very enthusiastic coming out of new hampshire. here's what he had to say to us earlier today on "today." >> i said i was going to do well there, and we really did even better than anticipated. but we'd have rallies where ten times the number of people would show up than we expected.
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and we got to see it from an early point. and i think south carolina, frankly, will be very similar to that. >> reporter: so donald trump will be here in a few hours. he's likely to speak to a crowd that will be enthusiastic. interestingly, this is a very small town, a town of about 2,900, and we expect there will be twice as many people coming from around the area, and not just republicans, democrats, as well. brian, don't forget, this is an open primary state, and it's believed that many of those so-called reagan democrats will cross over in this primary ten days from now and vote in the republican primary. and of course, the trump campaign believes many of those will vote for him. >> kerry sanders in unseasonably cold pendleton, south carolina. south carolina, a state donald trump has every reason to expect, doing very well in this primary. and another state where donald trump is going to run right up against ted cruz, who came rocketing out of iowa, into new
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hampshire, where they didn't expect to do terribly well. hallie jackson covering the cruz effort for us. she's down in spartanburg already, miracle of the jet age. we just saw her last night in new hampshire. and hallie, what are the official -- what's the line on cruz in south carolina? >> reporter: well, the line on cruz, when you look at the polling, is that he'll do okay, potentially, in the top three. the campaign, though, i can tell you, brian, feeling really confident about how they'll do here. they believe that they have the best organization, the best number of boots on the ground. they talk about their volunteers. they talk about their cruz camp here, staffers, and volunteers that have moved in from other states in order to try to mobilize votes and do what they did in iowa, which is not just get out the vote, but convince people to switch their support from a different candidate over to ted cruz. one thing we'll be watching for over these next ten days or so, brian, is a ramped up attack
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against donald trump. it's something we saw cruz and trump lay off each other on when they were both in new hampshire, just given that neither was the other's big threat in that state. but we're already seeing on the new hampshire framprimary nightt night, we saw this new ad rollout last night. it's a digital video for now. but it's raising some eyebrows for the nature of it. watch. >> look, i got the trump action figure! >> no, way, it's huge. >> what does he do? >> he pretends to be a republican! >> i like bailouts for the banks. >> too big to fail! >> i gave money to pelosi, reid, and anthony weiner. >> and the ad continues hitting trump on eminent domain, so kind of what you could call a cruz greatest hits against donald trump. yao often saw cruz slam the
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trump for being what he calls not conservative enough. you've seen him go after him on eminent domain, now he has these child actors doing it for him in this ad. we expect to see more of these kinds of attacks here on the campaign trail here in south carolina. >> all right. hallie jackson, covering the cruz campaign, which today includes a donald trump action figure and a new tv spot. before we go to a break, just one look again at jeb bush, who is talking to the women's club in the low country in south carolina. and continues to take questions there after giving what has to be called his standard stump speech. a little tougher on trump than he has been in the recent past. our coverage continues right after this. >> john mccain's a hero. everybody knows that. everybody that's served in this country -- [ applause ]
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we are back after a busy night in american politics. the first in the nation new hampshire primary. we talked a lot last night about the decision desk. it's not a monolith, it's actually a person and the people who work with him. john lipinski is here with us in the studio. he is elections director for nbc news. we're awful happy to be able to talk to you, john. first of all, any land mines? anything that you came across that was unusual last night? you pore across all of the data. >> i think there weren't any necessarily land mines. but the big question was, was all the public polling correct? and everybody, you know, was
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showing trump, you know, as a large -- having a large lead, and also the same for sanders. and what was really, in some ways, surprising, because it doesn't always turn out that way, is the polling actually was reflected in the statistical models that we used to actually project elections. and we saw that early on, and it was consistent through the day and into the night, until it was time. >> another thing you do which takes up so much of your time on an election day, any election day, is exit polls, or entrance polls, in the case of iowa. and as i tried to explain on the air last night, you matched them with human intelligence, algorithms, computer models, so you come up, who's voting and why. and what were the lessons learned last night from last night's voters in new hampshire? >> well, one of the things is that when you see such large wins as we saw on both sides is one of the lessons is, i think, you see that actually trump and sanders were winning almost all the groups. the question that we really have to sort of ask ourselves is, i think, is when we look at actually iowa and new hampshire,
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how much is that going to be actually reflected in some of the states that are coming, you know, in the near future? and one of the really interesting things, in the early states, is there's so much diversity. you have an iowa and a new hampshire, which is, you know, when you look at on race, they're both largely white states. they look very different on other dimensions. and all of a sudden you switch to a south carolina, and then a nevada, and the states become more diverse. >> in south carolina, what are loosely the numbers, say, the racial divide? >> well, when we're actually looking on the racial divide, i think, obviously, in the republican party, it's all white. you know, in the sense of when we're looking at people who will participate in that primary. but on the democratic side, you're looking at a majority of non-whites. could be -- you know, who knows exactly what it will be, but maybe 60%. >> and that's how your job kind of splashes into everything we're seeing on the campaign, because they have access to these numbers, too. and both democratic candidates are now customizing their message coming out of new hampshire. >> oh, absolutely.
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like, right now, when you actually look at what hillary clinton is hoping for, when you look at the polling we're doing, she's doing very well with african-americans. obviously, south carolina has a very large african-american voting bloc there. and so what she wants to know is, is that going to -- like, what she's seen in her polling, a lot of it is nationwide l poing, is it going to hold in south carolina? one of the things we've seen, and i've almost -- you know, it's very rare to see the types of numbers that you've seen sanders polling with young voters. when you see a candidate winning, you know, 85% of a group, you know, turned 30-year-olds, that is just -- that's exceptional. so, what is hillary clinton wondering right now? i think what hillary clinton is thinking is, like, well, what happens when we look at sort of the african-american vote? young african-american voters. is it going to be actually that the young folks are going to go with bernie, or are they going to go to me? and i think that's where, really -- i mean, i think in many ways, south carolina is the big question mark. i think, you know, in new hampshire, when we actually
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looked at when voters made up their mind on the democratic side, most people decided for bernie a month ago. in south carolina, i think that's not the case. >> john lipinski, fascinating, always is, to spend time with you. thank you very much. and thank you for your care and accuracy last night. >> thank you. >> john lipinski is director of elections for nbc news. another break for us. we'll continue on the other side. people have every right to be angry. but they're also angry. they're angry for solutions. what are we going to do? r and that is, that is the fight we're taking to the country. what is the best way to change people's lives, so we can all grow together? who is the best changemaker? >> you are! >> and here's what i promise.
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a. the people of new hampshire have sent a profound message to the political establishment, to the economic establishment, and, by the way, to the media establishment. >> quite literally pointing his finger at the news media is popular during a campaign season. senator sanders from last night, this next segment devoted to how these two campaigns on the democratic side, clinton and sanders, relate to variation communities of voters, especially with an eye toward the next contests. specifically women and voters of color. and to help us do that, ruth marcus from "the washington post" and willie brown, of the state of california, a former mayor of san francisco, great to have you both.
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ruth, first to you. there's been a lot written this season about feminism. first generation, second generation, sometimes called second wave, third wave feminism. by you, by paglia, i found it all interesting, but none of it was as interesting as the visual we saw this past week in new hampshire, as the madeleine albright quote, she said it a million times, it had a different ring, it was received differently this time. what is happening there? >> i'm sorry, i didn't know if you were playing it, brian. so i happened to be in the room when madeleine albright said that, and though i agree with her sentiment, which where she said that women -- there's a special place in you know where for women who don't support other women, when it was done in the context of telling young women in particular that they were traitors to the feminist cause if they supported bernie
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sanders, that was a pretty astonishing statement. and i think it did not serve hillary clinton well. >> in secretary albright's defense and it's been pointed out by you and others, she has said this a lot. it was once emblazoned on a coffee cup in starbucks. it's the way it's received, however, by especially young voters, especially young women voters, in 2016 and it's the aftereffect of so many decades of work on the feminist front. >> sure. and with enormous respect to secretary albright, the reality is is that while it's a legitimate thing for her to say and to argue, and the context of introducing secretary clinton, as she was, and arguing to young women, that they should vote for secretary clinton, it had a different connotation, and i thought, as the mother of two of those millennial daughters, a kind of offensive connotation, i'm sorry to say. >> how would you define
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offensive? what about it? i think that it is -- you can be two things at once. you can be a strong woman, committed to feminism, and decide that hillary clinton is not the candidate of your choice, that you would prefer the candidate who happens to be a man. feminism isn't just about automatically supporting the female candidate, it's about being empowered to make a choice between two people and to maybe take gender into account, but not to have it be your defining decision-making point. >> well put. thank you for coming on to talk about it. >> thanks, brian. i can't believe you're still ticking there after that long night. >> there you go. well, you know, just the wonders of caffeine and the clearing of the snow between new hampshire and new york, really helped. ruth marcus, thank you. next, before we talk to mayor brown, i want to talk -- i want to just run some bernie sanders and then we'll talk about it on
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the other side. >> you had a great victory last night. >> we did. >> and you are now moving into nevada and south carolina. how do you intend, because, clearly, new hampshire and iowa are mostly white states, if not nearly white. how do you intend now to deal with a diverse populist in both south carolina and nevada? >> well, in a couple of ways. first of all, we are going to do well when voter turnout is high. that's what happened in new hampshire and actually happened in iowa as well. and i think we have the issues, we have the agenda, we have the ground troops to rally the people of nevada in south carolina. and i think it comes down to two things. number one, it comes down to what we believe and what we are fighting for economically, and what we're fighting for in terms of social justice and criminal justice. in terms of economics, the
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people of nevada, as well as any state in this country know what wall street has done to them. they were devastated by the wall street crash. and our view is that at the end of the day, it is time for the american people to tell wall street enough is enough. you have a handful of banks with incredible economic and political power, and you know what? you know what teddy roosevelt, good republican, would have done today if he were here? he would break them up and that's what we've got to do. second of all, economically, you've got to raise the minimum wage to a living age, 15 bucks an hour. third of all, we need health care in the united states for all people, as is the case in every other industrialized country. fourth, we need to make public colleges and universities tuition free. we feed to create jobs, we need to ask the wealthy and powerful to start paying their fair share of taxes. so i think we have an economic agenda that makes sense in nevada, where you have a large latino community. we are working very, very hard on immigration reform, on a path towards citizenship through
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comprehensive immigration reform. so i think we have the agenda in nevada and i think we have the agenda in south carolina that once the word gets out, who i am, what i stand for, we're going to do just fine. >> very interesting at the end there. and to explain that tableau, al sharpton and bernie sanders walk into a restaurant in harlem. it happens to be sylvia's. it happened to be this morning. al sharpton taping the interview as he's also talking to hillary clinton for his sunday show, "politics nation." all of which brings us to willie brown, who has waited patiently for us in california. so it's been said that it's the clinton organization in south carolina and if sanders has enough time, he -- and the more he can tell his life story, intertwined with the civil rights struggle, the student uprising of the time, that he could make inroads. how do you put it? >> i would assume that anybody who has any record of
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participating in the struggle starting a long time ago, the '60s and the '70s, and if they have credentials and there's evidence that they've been committed, there will be african-americans who will embrace their candidacy. that's how those clintons have for so long had such a good working relationship with african-americans. >> and then, on the other side, there is the history of the clinton campaign, both bill and hillary, in the state of california. there are wild cards like congressman clyburn, whose, whose endorsement will carry some weight there. >> there is no question that the people who hold office in that state, the people who are trusted in that state, an an endorsement by any of them, on behalf of any candidate would be highly desirable. but keep in mind the clintons
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have, for years, during the time that bill clinton served as president, he appointed african-americans in every category, in every position, he has been very much involved, and so has hillary clinton in the african-american world. right out of college and right out of law school, she was involved in the children's efforts, a long time ago. so there are some credentials and some history that benefits the clintons. however, any candidate against the clintons must make his or her case with that in mind. >> yeah. and don't you think it's that very frustration you can almost see on secretary clinton's face? knowing her story, knowing her credentials, as you put it, and seeing the inroads, not yet in south carolina, but the inroads the sanders campaign has made really in political terms, he came out of nowhere. >> well, you know, brian, in
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this world of politics, it's rather an acknowledgement that newcomers do not always know the history of those persons who have been at the business of politics for a long time. and they sometimes will we kuwait every aspect of representation made in the world of politics, in the same way, without reference to the history. and so hillary clinton suffers, frankly, from that long spell of having all those wonderful things that she has done and that the clinton family has done, and they're not known, they're not appreciated, necessarily, and they are literally being caused to be competitive at the very moment. and that's difficult for long-term politicians to understand and appreciate. >> willie brown, it's always a pleasure to talk to you. not just because we love talking to you, because we would love to
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be where you are right now. it's a cold day out east. thank you very much, as always, for being with us. >> brian, nice to see you. >> you too, sir. we have breaking news, and for it we go back to kelly o'donnell, who is in trenton, new jersey. kelly, what do you have? >> reporter: brian, i can tell you that nbc news is the first news organization to learn directly from the chris christie campaign that the new jersey governor is suspending his bid for the gop nomination. part of the delay and some of the questions about why has it taken most of this day to get this news out comes down to this. the governor and wife mary pat came back from new hampshire, where he had a very disappointing sixth place finish. came back to new jersey and wanted to bring together the entire christie campaign. so the staffers, numbering about 50, were all brought back to new jersey, so they could have a meeting at 4:00 p.m., where the governor could thank them personally, talk about what he believes their contributions to this race have been, and to
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explain what's happening, going forward. there will not be any official statement or any public appearance. i am told that this announcement, right now, is the breaking news from the christie campaign to nbc news. we have also been talking to longtime allies and sources, who foreshadowed this was going to happen, but now it is official. so, brian, part of what the christie team believes they have been able to do is to change his political fortunes. after the bridgegate mess that had me in front of this very place for such a long time, where he was very politically damaged, they say he has been able to come back to a great degree, improve his favorable ratings. they believe he shaped some of the discussion in the gop race, talking about addiction, entitlements, and the importance of experience. so they believe they have made a mark. of course, very disappointed at how it turned out. but chris christie and the team wanted to be in person today.
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they also made calls to supporters and donors, wanting to say that they would get the word first and officially from him, and then we are now able to break this news officially, directly from the office of chris christie and his inner circle here to nbc news. brian? >> and kelly, let's talk about the last incident that had governor christie in the news. as a large television audience watched during the gop debate this past weekend, it was chris christie who took it upon himself, really, to deliver a live televised takedown of marco rubio on an aspect of marco rubio's political persona and makeup that was vulnerable. i have heard of political types using the kind of gross parlance of the business. call what happened a murder/suicide, because, and you'll forgive this use of the phrase, because chris christie did not gain from that exchange.
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rubio only lost from that exchange. and this is where we find ourselves today with the christie campaign. >> and brian, i believe that was stunning to christie himself, who when i spoke with him on the campaign trail, spent a great deal of time with him, he believed that he prosecuted marco rubio, not as a person, but as the strength of his candidacy today. as a first term senator, who had been a legislator in florida, not having executive experience. and christie, as competing campaigns will often do, had been tracking what marco rubio says, and while all politicians repeat one liners and repeat major pieces of their stump speeches, the feeling inside the christie team was that marco rubio was too controlled and stuck too closely to prepare talking points and was not going to be able to face the heat as a nominee. also, of course, in the competitive world, he was trying to take down the person that many in the gop circles were
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quietly and not so quietly saying. it was time to anoint a front-runner in that wing of the party that's traditional and establishment and a lot of the buzz was around marco rubio as a bright face in the party. chris christie was saying, not so fast, no coronations. experience would matter. so, in having a very strong debate performance, he got a lot of strong remarks for how he controlled that debate, but you're right, in terms of voters, it certainly diminished marco rubio and it did not give any benefit to chris christie. in fact, it may have helped john kasich, who had been trying to not get into the fray with other opponents during the time he was in front of the audience. a strategy that did not work. at the same time, parents were very proud of making the case that experience should define who the ultimate nominee of the campaign is. experience being tested in the media spotlight, tested with unexpected disasters.
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he talked about hunger sandy often, and tested in terms of the unexpected that comes to any executive's death. whether you're a governor or a president. it didn't go the way he expected. he had really thought that the tide would change and that he would be able to have enough of a showing in new hampshire to finance the campaign going forward, to make his story credible going forward. and that just did not happen. so the end note for team christie is that they believe he went from being very politically damaged after bridgegate, questions from conservatives about his relationship to president obama right after hurricane sandy, and could he be the nominee. in a year where donald trump took up really all of the brash and bold part of what the audience seemed to want within the republican party. so for the christie team, they say, he is exiting, having shaped the race, pushed the discussion, and tried to shine a light that executive decision making power should be something that voters consider. so he is suspending his campaign
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and he is saying that his team, very lean, less money, made a mark in the gop nominating fight that will go on without chris christie. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you, and stand by there. we want to bring in the person who is set to host the next hour of television, "mtp daily," "meet the press daily" with chuck todd. chuck todd himself is with us. chuck, i've heard it put kind of snarkily, that funny thing happened to chris christie, who had marketed himself as the kind of tough-talking republican candidate from the tristate area, that was the entrance of the only tougher-talking candidate from the new york/tristate area into the gop race. >> right, he was -- what was supposed to be his strength, he got eclipsed by donald trump. obviously, the political problems he's having back home
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having to do with the bridge mess made a start -- made the pre-campaign start he wanted to have even harder. he did a terrific job in 2014 as head of the governor's association, so it looked like he had a way of coming back. but i think when we write the history of chris christie national politics. and by the way, he's a young man. there's plenty of time. you can see him coming back. but when we write the history, i think, brian, we will say, his year was 2012. you know, there are different campaigns year. there's different moment s ts f politicians, and sometimes they miss it. sometimes they run in the wrong year. and what would have been had chris christie answered the call in 2012, when there were questions in the republican field about mitt romney at the time, when you had a whole bunch of people yearning for somebody tougher, and imagine that last week of the campaign, sandy hits, and it's republican nominee chris christie. so who knows?
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what would have happened had he run in 2012? he might be running for re-election this year. >> chuck, something else we should say. candidates huddle with aides and their tight organization. with chris christie, that has always included his family. very tight bunch, his wife, mary pat and their children. it's almost impossible to find any news video of chris christie on the trail in new hampshire without at least one family member in the shot with him. i'm quite sure this was a -- that was a sad flight home from new hampshire to new jersey and a sad day of get-togethers prior to formally making this decision. >> no doubt. and it's interesting, i heard kelly say they feel proud and that they've made a remark and if marco rubio is not the nominee, we'll look back at that moment where chris christie took him out. and maybe that will be seen as a positive eight months from now or some might say that was a
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mistake eight months from now. but certainly, there are a whole bunch of other republicans in the field today including jeb bush. and by the way, hillary clinton, who are all smiles when it came to chris christie and what he did to marco rubio and what they believe that he he did, which is expose rubio a little bit at a moment of weakness. but, look, the guy was a great -- is a great campaigner. and again, life is long. he is going to be -- he is one of these -- as pat buchanan calls them, great political athletes. i was skeptical he could recover from the bridge mess. and in some ways, while i think the bridge mess held him back, and while he never was a front-runner, it's why the big money never really came, he did a lot better than i ever thought he would, getting through this campaign. and i think it's because of his sheer political talent. >> chuck todd, in just over three minutes, i'm going to say, here's chuck todd, so go get ready for your broadcast in what's left of your preparation
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time. thanks. let's go to robert costa from "the washington post" who join us on the telephone. robert, do you concur with chuck, who says, you know, it's 20/20 hindsight, admittedly, but looking back, 2012 was his year. hello, robert? we can hear robert, we can hear him exhaling, we know he's there, but he can't hear us. let's go to kelly o'donnell in trenton, new jersey. kelly, you still hear us? >> reporter: brian, when you talk about 2012, i've had a conversation with governor christie more than once about what happened that year and the pressure from the party to step forward. he had beaten jon corzine, the democratic powerful wehle governor of new jersey. he was a new face at a time in a blue state where he was bringing real conservative positions to new jersey. so all the whispers went on, run, run, run. and he told me then and has told me now, looking back, he did not
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feel prepared then, did not feel he was ready to be president, didn't understand the path in terms of where could he win in order to be a successful nominee. and as more time went by, and unexpectedly, that whole bridgegate controversy, which put him in the white-hot caldron of media and controversy and democrats being angry and real questions about would there be an investigation that might point back to him, that has not happened, although there have been indictments to others. after that, he really said, he learned that he did feel ready to be president after all of those scars and those achievements and all the knocks that come with politics. but this time, he was ready, but voters weren't ready for him. brian? >> in the minute we have remaining, kelly, the complexion of the race with the departure of carly fiorina and kraes kroochris christ
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christie, really does change the complexion of the race more than the impact they had being in it yesterday. if you know what i mean? >> reporter: i think you can argue that. i think certainly the christie team believes they have shined a light on the issue of the importance of executive experience. carly fiorina in her own place tried to do that as well. one thing each of them had in common, perhaps more than anyone in the field, was the nonstop focus on hillary clinton as the expected nominee in the democratic party and looking not to fight each other as much, but to go after hillary clinton on a range of issues. of course, in the end, it was christie going after rubio. a park supporting rubio had gone after christie, spending a lot of money against him. and so, definitely, the impact has been felt. one of the questions will be, does it help a bush or a john kasich, traditional republicans with the exit of both fiorina and christie today. brian? >> kelly o'donnell, with great thanks for your reporting today, from the statehouse in trenton, new jersey. kelly reporting first the
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departure of carly fiorina, suspending her campaign, and confirmation live on the air here that chris christie is doing the same. it is now time for our next broadcast, which thankfully happens to be "mtp daily" with chuck todd in washington. >> if it's wednesday, it's the big truth in politics. for every action, there's a reaction. two republicans, chris christie and carly fiorina, they're out of the race. how worried is the gop that nobody but trump and cruz can make it to april? meanwhile, for the democrats, how much will the clinton campaign have to retool? this is "mtp daily," the day after. and it starts right now.


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