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time tonight. >> thank you for having me on. that's the last "ed show." please follow my brother ed at we got ed.com. good night. tonight on "politics nation," clinton versus bush. she slams him for hypocrisy on his policies for the poor. plus, inside the mind of donald trump. i'll talk to a man who has read every single book trump ever wrote and lived to tell the tale. and big news from the grand jury about the other officers involved in that body cam murder case. did they do anything wrong? welcome to "politics
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nation." we begin tonight with the fight for a critical vote in 2016. today jeb bush spoke to the national urban league making his case for why he is the right candidate for the african-american community. >> 14 years ago when the question was whether to keep the confederate flag on the grounds of the florida state capitol, i said no and put it in a museum where it belongs. we increased the number of black floridians serving in the judiciary by 43%. in florida, we didn't want to fill prisons with nonviolent offenders. so we expanded drug courts. i gave the challenge of school reform everything i had as governor. i believe in the right to rise in this country. and a child is not rising if he's not reading. >> but there are serious issues in his record in florida he didn't address today. like that he ended affirmative action in state universities.
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or his role in florida's 2000 voter purge and his move in 2005 to limit early voting. he also increased mandatory minimums for juveniles and he sign signed the first stand your ground law that became a model across the country. now, it's good governor bush has been reading out. they had been the only two candidates to speak to the urban league. as hillary clinton told that same crowd this morning, you've got to do more than talk. >> the real test of a candidate's commitment is not whether we come to speak at your national conference, as important as that is. it's whether we're still around after the cameras are gone and the votes are counted. >> and clinton went right after
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bush's record, invoking his right to rise slogan. >> i don't think you can credibly say that everyone has a right to rise and then say you're for phasing out medicare or for repealing obamacare. people can't rise if they can't afford health care. they can't rise if the minimum wage is too low to live on. they can't rise if their governor makes it harder for them to get a college education. and you cannot seriously talk about the right to rise and support laws that deny the right to vote. >> we need more than a smile and a wave from the candidates. we need real commitments on policy, and we can't have the next occupant of the white house turn around everything president obama began. joining me now are angela rye and victoria defrancesco soto.
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thank you for being here. angela, let me go to you first. it's good governor bush showed up today, but his record leaves a lot of questions for minority voters. >> i think his record actually leave us with several answers, rev. he shows us very clearly that he's not the candidate of choice for us unless he's done a 180 from his gubernatorial career. what he said today is that he's proud of the record he had in florida. the record that he had in florida caused black people specifically great pain and great angst. that's not the kind of record that we need in a candidate in 2016. >> victoria, hillary clinton hit jeb bush pretty hard in his own backyard at that. what do you make of that? >> i think this is round one, reverend. i think we're just going to keep seeing more and more bush and hillary one on one. but one thing i found really interesting and i think it's going to be a constant theme
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throughout the campaign is hitting him on voter rights and on the voter purchase because we've seen that hillary has come out very forcefully defending voting rights especially coming off of the 50th anniversary of the voting rights act. she was in texas a couple months ago receiving a barbara jordan award and she made a very strong speech saying we're not going to let the republican party keep chipping away at our voting rights. so i think this is going to be a constant that we see and it will be interesting to see what the larger republican party does. are they going to keep on with their tack of chipping away at voting rights? or is jeb bush going to say hold your fire, do not go there. you know, i've had enough problems in 2,000. >> the voting rights issue is a very pregnant issue because what many people forget when we began raising it in the civil rights community and, frankly, on this station about the empact of some of the new voting laws.
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14 of those states don't go into effect until this next election. so we haven't seen even yet the full weight of a lot of the changing of early voting and changing of voter i.d. laws until the next election which could in a very close election be decisive. >> yeah. 100%, i think to victoria's last point, the reality of this is the supreme court with shelby v. holder gutted the voting rights act. >> section four, yeah. >> yeah, just proposed in the house that would address the voting rights -- challenges with the voting rights amendment act. we have a republican congress that doesn't want to take this up. why? because it's in their best interests. the bigger tent, right, that this republican party continues to fail to reach is not on their side. so it is in their interests, as victoria mentioned, with the 2000 purge for him to continue purging and for him to continue
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suppressing or their party to suppress the vote. >> i think it's also in the interests of the democrats that, since this is the case, make this a real issue. >> a hundred percent. >> and be out front. i think also victoria, it's noteworthy, we've got to give credit to governor bush becauan dr. carson because all the republican candidates were invited and they didn't -- only two showed up out of what, 16 candidates. what does that say? >> you know, i give him tremendous credit, even more so than hillary clinton. because maybe he won't move forward on the policies that he spoke about or that they'll benefit the minority communities, but the climate right now in the gop is such that the actual fact that he came to this conference i think speaks volumes. at least he's willing to listen. he may disagree on policies but he's there as is dr. carson. so i would give him a lot more
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props than that than say hillary did this morning. >> angela, "the wall street journal" talked today about the power of the black vote, writing, quote, if mitt romney had captured 10% of the african-american vote, he would have won florida. holding the democratic nominee to roughly 90% in ohio would have put mr. romney within 1% -- or one percentage point of winning. instead he won about 3 or 4% of the black vote in florida and ohio. but doesn't this show it wouldn't take a big swing for a huge impact to happen? >> it wouldn't take a big swing percentage wise, rev, but here's what we do know about the gop. it would take a huge swing from a policy perspective. these folks aren't hiring people that look like us on their campaigns. they're not using vendors that look like us on their campaigns and they're certainly not including us in their messaging. if they were, jeb bush would not
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have gone to the urban league today not only touting his gubernatorial policies but still talking about florida. somebody didn't properly brief him about the fact that this was a national convening. he needs to be addressing national issues. of course he's a former governor of that state, but it's so important. >> well, he not only addressed that, victoria, he talked about phasing out medicare in the past. today he went after that and he went as far as talking about the war on poverty. watch this. >> for half a century, this nation has pursued a war on poverty and massive government programs funded with trillions of taxpayer dollars. this decades long effort, while well intentioned, has been a losing one. and the casualties can be counted in the millions who have never had a chance at work whose families fell victim to drugs and violence in the crushing of the spirit. >> i mean, as long as he's going after the safety net, victoria,
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i mean, going after traditional democratic voters and voters of color, isn't this really a nonstarter? >> quite frankly, reverend, i have just been flat-out puzzled by his stance on medicare because, while, yes, it does affect african-americans and latinos, this is an issue that squarely affects not just white voters but those blue collar voters that the gop so depends on. you know, this is that demographic, that's that swing voter. and i'm puzzled. i don't know what calculus is there because this is a very general issue that i think can backfire on him, quite frankly. >> now, let me ask you about another speech today by hillary clinton. she came out about the -- lifting the embargo in cuba. she really went after republicans for refusing to open relations with cuba. let me play this.
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>> even many republicans on capitol hill are starting to recognize the urgency of moving forward. it's time for their leaders to either get on board or get out of the way. the cuba embargo needs to go once and for all. >> she was in jeb bush and marco rubio's backyard. how significant was that that she came out with this strong statement right in their backyard? victoria? >> it's huge and -- well, here we see her making a play for the young millennial cuban american vote. we know that the very conservative older generation of cuban americans are solidly with the republican party. they feel very strongly about fidel. they don't want to open up relations. but the children, the grandchildren of these initial exiles are opening up to
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democrats, and while they may not be solid democratic identifiers, they're open to the message. so here i thought this was very smart by hillary. she was going after that vote. and i think again we're going to see this a consistent message throughout the campaign. >> angela rye and victoria defrancesco soto, thank you for your time and have a great weekend to both of you. >> you too. >> thank you, rev. still ahead, big news in the shooting of an unarmed man in a traffic stop in cincinnati. will any other officers face charges? plus, what should happen to parents who leave their kids locked in cars during this dangerous summer heat? >> no, sorry. she could have died. >> and we will reveal what donald trump was hoping to do with his helicopter until tell
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competition. and the pork on a stick, it's not an option. politicians have enjoyed it for years. but this time donald trump is breaking the formula and stirring things up all because of his plan to travel to the fair in style. >> a chopper like this costs between 5 million and $7 million. all the hardware for this seat is 24-karat gold plated to match the rest throughout the aircraft. 24-karat golden plane, 24-karat golden leafing. this is his family crest. it has the trump name on it. it has to be the best of the best. >> that's right. donald trump wants to take his helicopter to the state fair. he told the "daily mail," quote, we're going to fly it out to iowa. i'm going to try giving kids lifts in the helicopter. but fair organizers are saying
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developing news, nbc's lester holt just sat down with gop presidential candidate governor jeb bush for an exclusive interview. and he asked the question everyone is wondering about. >> did you ever for see a scenario in in which you would be number two to donald trump in
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the first debate? >> well, i didn't know where i was going to be. >> you figured you'd be -- >> i don't know. this is a long haul. my focus is on what the world looks like january going into the february caucuses and primaries. i was surprised that donald trump has surged. i think he's captured the deep frustration that people feel. i mean, i get that. i get the lack of rule of law, the sanctuary cities, the open borders, all those things. he's in a very graphic way appealed to people's anger about those things. and i think it's important to be respectful of that, make the case that we can fix these things and over time the trump phenomena will either succeed or fail based on his proposals. >> joining me now is former governor and dnc chairman ed rendell. thank you for being here, governor. >> my pleasure, rev. >> jeb was saying it's important to be respectful of trump's
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appeal. what's your take on that? >> well, i think jeb bush wants to be the mature adult in the room in this debate. he's not going to engage donald trump and i think he'll ignore him if trump says anything about him. he wants to come out of it as the one who looks the most presidential, the one who sounds the most substantive. but i think this debate is all about donald trump. donald trump has gotten where he is by appealing to those disaffected voters. but to get further and to become a serious candidate for the nomination, he can't act like a bomb thrower and trash everyone else in the room. he can't turn the debate into a wrestling match. he's got to sound like a president. he's got to give answers that indicate he knows what he's talking about. he doesn't have to give too substancive answers because he'll have ten minutes total. but he can't turn it into a side
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show. >> now, plikto asked a panel of insiders from new hampshire and iowa about how jeb bush should handle donald trump in this debate. one of them said, governor, quote, the old maxim applies. never wrestle with a pig. you get dirty and besides, the pig likes it. >> the pig likes it, that's right. >> how should jeb and the other candidates approach trump? >> well, the ones who are the most credible candidates and are sort of in the front, bush, walker, rubio, they should basically ignore him and try to impress the viewers as real potential presidents. the ones who are down at 2%, 2 1/2, 3%, chris christie, lindsey graham, mike huckabee, they have nothing to lose but to try to go after trump and make headlines by going after trump. lindsey graham, the only attention he's gotten since he announced as a candidate was when he did that humorous ad
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about destroying his cell phone after trump gave out his number. those four can afford to go after him and try to get publicity by being the guy that stood up to trump particularly chris christie because he's the tough guy. he's the guy that can't be pushed around. he's the jersey boy. he's got push back and maybe go after trump. but bush, walker, rubio, they have to act like presidents. >> let me try this on you because i said earlier to alex wagner, one of the things that i think they could do is really use the moderators as a backboard. chris wallace and them. saying, wait a minute, you're the moderators, make him answer a specific question. i wouldn't even argue with trump. i would have them enforce. you asked specifically about health care or criminal justice or your iran plan. why don't you make him answer like you do us? because that also plays to his base that is discontent with the
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media and government without really doing anything to him. and you would hope that they have enough self-respect as journalists not to want to be called out that they're not making trump answer specific policy questions. >> right. but remember, rev, there are ten candidates, 120 minutes, figure 10, 15 minutes of introductions and thanking people at the end. so each candidate is going to get 10 or 11 minutes. and that means tops two minutes a question. so donald doesn't have to be very specific but he's got to have some good lines to show people he understands the issue and he has an idea how to get -- resolve those challenges. that's his big test. if he acts presidential, strong tough and presidential, he could soar in this debate. he could absolutely soar. >> ed rendell, thank you for your time tonight. have a good weekend. >> you too, rev. >> and you can catch more of lester holt's exclusive
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interview with jeb bush coming up on "nightly news" tonight and on "meet the press" with chuck todd this sunday. coming up, how can a parent leave a child in a sweltering car? will anyone be held responsible? but first, i'm handing out my grades for my weekly report card. you'll want to see how ted cruz measures up. next. are you moving forward fast enough? everywhere you look, it strategy is now business strategy. and a partnership with hp can help you accelerate down a path created by people, technology and ideas. to move your company from what it is now... to what it needs to become. rheumatoid arthritis like me...
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it's time for reverend al's weekly report card. >> reverend al's summer school is officially in session. and my first student tonight is senator ted cruz. he's doubling down on his criticism of the iran nuclear deal with some ugly remarks about the obama administration. >> if this deal goes through,
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barack obama and hillary clinton and john kerry will be the leading global financiers of radical islamic terrorism on the face of the earth. >> that's right. he's calling the president a sponsor of terrorism. i'm giving him a "t" for terrible. senator cruz deserves after-school detention for this one. but my next students are an unlikely duo from los angeles. a news anchor and the man who surprises her during a live report. check this out. >> this is not a done deal. the international olympic committee is also looking at paris, they're looking at rome and they're looking at hamburg, germany for 2024 and it's likely one of those international cities. oh, you scared the -- out of me. >> i'm working here, man. bhar y what are you doing? >> i'm sorry. >> okay. back to you. >> her reaction was priceless.
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and so was his. this man gets a b plus for best blooper i've ever seen. my next grade goes tonight to civil rights icon john lewis. he's at the top of the class this summer. earlier this month we saw him re-enact the iconic selma march with students at comicon in san diego. and this week, he was playing with puppies on capitol hill. he was at an animal welfare event. paws for celebration. congressman lewis deserves an "a" for adorable. and it's all for a great cause. thanks to all my students tonight. class dismissed. that's tonight's edition of reverend al's week lly report card.
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files. we start tonight with big news from ohio. a grand jury has declined to file charges against two officers who were on the scene after another officer shot and killed an unarmed driver in cincinnati. the prosecutor released video from both of those officers' body cameras showing officer ray tinsey who has now pled not guilty to murder charges, in the moments after the shooting on the videos. the officers appear to agree with his statement that he was being dragged by the car. a claim disputed by the prosecutor. listen. >> he's dragging me. i thought i was going to get run over. i was trying to stop him. >> he had a traffic stop. the officer got caught in his car because the guy reached for something he thought. and he grabbed on to the car. our officer went down and he got tangled in the car and withdrew
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his gun and fired. >> one of the officers said in a police report that he witnessed the honda accord drag officer tinsley. but today the prosecutor praised the grand jury's decision saying i fully agree with the decision. these officers were totally cooperative in the investigation and consistent in their statements. these officers have been truthful and honest about what happened and no charges are warranted, end of quote. joining me now is legal analyst ariva martin and paul henderson. thank you both for being here tonight. when i say officers, these are university of cincinnati officers, not cincinnati police officers. just so our viewers are clear. what's your reaction to these two officers not being charged with anything? >> well, i was a little surprised, reverend al,
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particularly how strong the district attorney came out with respect to the indictment and the charges filed against the officer that shot and killed sam dubose. i also had a chance to look at the police report. it's clear that one of the officers had arrived at the scene indicated that he saw tensing being dragged by the car and that he shot in response to that and that tensing was in fear of his life. so given the statements by these officers -- but i think what is probably happening here is that the district attorney wants to use these officers as witnesses to support the charges that have been filed, the murder charges that have been filed against the officer who did kill sam dubose, but it's a little troubling to know that they made false statements and they're not being charged. >> so he may be using them as witnesses contrary to their statements. let me ask you this, paul, what do you feel about them not being charged and the fact that the prosecutor made a strong statement in support of them?
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could that also be a factor in that they may be using them as witnesses but still it seems to contradict their reports. >> it goes beyond just contradicting their report. because these are not mere adoptive admissions. you heard the statements and you see the report where he says he actually gets tangled up in the car handle. no one ever even said that. he's adding to it. and that, as we all know, from looking at the video is just a lie, plain and simple. it did not happen and everyone knows that that did not happen. so it is a little bit surprising that we hear the prosecution coming out saying that he supports and he believes in how this grand jury came back with the indictment. but i believe that the clearest indication of those comments and the clearest indication of that behavior is just that. that he wants to use these officers and he will be using these officers against the ultimate prosecution that's
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still pending against tensing. >> let me ask you this, officer tensing was fired after he was indicted on murder charges wednesday. but today the union representing the university of cincinnati police, they filed a grievance on his behalf demanding he get his job back. they say, quote, officer tensing was terminated without just cause for an on-duty fatal shooting while officer tensing was indicted on a charge of murder, the indictment is not a conviction, end of quote. and they're asking for all back pay and benefits including sick time, vacation time, holidays, pension, contributions. do they have a case, paul? >> no, this is ridiculous. it's just ridiculous. they can actually file whatever they want to. that's the way our legal system works. but for an employment contract like this, there are generally two tracks. you're either at-will and you can be released at any time
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unless there are some discriminatory indications that you're being released that way, or for cause. so in this case the for cause is so clear because within the scope of your work, if you are acting or showing behavior or exhibit behavior especially if it arises to the level of criminal behavior where you can actually be charged, you are well within your rights as an employer to terminate someone. so in this situation where we have someone acting on behalf of public safety that acts inappropriately and kills and shootse i using lethal force while supposedly protecting public safety, that's so clearly a basis and grounds, the fact that he's being charged and criminally prosecuted for murder -- >> it gives them grounds. >> exact grounds. >> areva, is this a nonstarter? >> i have to disagree with paul. there are some circumstances
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that we have to take into consideration with respect to this case. this university of cincinnati police officer's employment is governed by a collective bargaining agreement. >> that is correct. >> and i had a chance to look at the memorandum of understanding between the union and the university and the contract is pretty clear that there had to be a hearing and there had to be due process rights afforded to this officer before this termination could take place. and the contract goes as far as to say even if you're indicted for a felony, you have to be placed on paid administrative leave -- >> that says that in the contract? >> it says that in the contract. pending the outcome of the legal proceedings. so i think this officer may have a pretty good chance of getting reinstated. >> we're going to really have to stay on top of this and watch this, if that's in the contract. but i want to get to an issue that's getting a lot of attention this week because of the heat wave. this week two more children were left in hot cars by themselves.
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nbc's stephanie gosk has the latest. >> oh, my god. >> cell phone video shows a police officer pulling a crying toddler to safety in a new jersey parking lot thursday afternoon. after bystanders and later another officer tried to break into the scorching hot car. >> she's soaking wet. >> just a minute later, the toddler's mother returns to the car with a full shopping cart and another child. >> is this your child? you left her in the car. no sorry, she could have died. >> she was later arrested for child endangerment. the latest in a series of incidents where police and bystanders have taken matters into their own hands after seeing kids left alone in hot cars. >> i can't believe i did that. >> on tuesday, oklahoma mother hannah screamed in panic after a couple found her 1-year-old daughter in the backseat of the
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vehicle. she was alone in the car for 45 minutes while she was shopping. according to a police report the temperature inside the car reached above 120 degrees. the child was treated at a nearby hospital and released a day later. her mother was arrested and charged with child abuse. >> paul, one mother released from custody. one charged with child endangerment. what is the standard for holding a parent liable? >> well, this is what the law does is try and evaluate and measure negligence against a standard of care. when you're a parent, it's a really high standard of care when you put a child in danger of death. and that's exactly what this is. so the law's just balancing whether or not this is a mistake versus what the outcome negatives can be in terms of having a child die. so that's why you see her get charged. >> "the washington post" reports that 40%, about 40% of child hot car deaths are ruled accidental. now, how do they decide if it's an accident or a crime, areva?
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>> we've seen cases where people have been criminally charged and convicted for leaving children in car. again, the question is, what did the parents intend to do? what was their contact before the child was left in the car? and how did they respond after realizing the child was left? unfortunately, these are very, very difficult cases. but i agree. some of these cases the parents need to be prosecuted and we need more awareness so that parents know how to avoid this situation happening. we talk about putting your handbag, your purse or something next to that child seat so that when you get out of your car, it's impossible for you to get out without recognizing that that child is in the backseat in a car seat. so these are horrible cases. i think there needs to be more awareness. and sometimes definitely prosecution of parents. >> thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks so much, reverend. >> coming up, want to know where donald trump stands on the issues? read his books, all eight of
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it's a spy story fit for the silver screen. gop senator tom cotton has been a vocal critic of president obama's nuclear deal with iran. he claims there are secrets the white house isn't telling us. >> i want to discuss the two secret side deals between the ieae and iran. i had to travel to vienna last weekend to discover the existence of these side deals. the administration has now confirmed their existence. >> if the administration confirmed these secrets exist, are they really secrets at all? the white house press secretary had a little fun with senator cotton yesterday. >> this is the document that tom cotton, the republican international man of mystery, discovered when he traveled to
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vienna. so this information has been put out. >> international man of mystery. is he saying that tom cotton is the new austin powers? ♪ this could be senator cotton's new job. i hear dr. evil is getting ready to blow up the world with a giant laser unless he gets paid right away. >> and we hold the world ransom for $1 million. >> senator cotton, your new spy standard sure is groovy. maybe you can teach your senate colleagues some new skills. >> oh, behave! yeah. yeah, baby! yeah. >> the tom cotton think we
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wouldn't notice he's washington's newest secret agent man? nice try, but we got you. mornings.
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just sold an apartment for $15 million to somebody from china. hillary clinton was secretary of state. she was the worst secretary of state in the history of our country. the world blew apart during her reign. rick perry should have to have an iq test before getting on the debate stage. and i see your senator. what a stiff. what a stiff. lindsey graham. jeb will be very poor as a president. no energy. i'm really rich. i'll share you that. >> but who is donald trump really? what's it like to be inside his head? well, my next guest might have some insight. he spent the last week reading every single one of donald trump's books. so the rest of us wouldn't have to. and reported back on what he's learned. there are eight books including "the art of the deal" "how to get rich" and "think like a
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billionaire." 2,416 pages. there could reveal the inner workings of the man who is now literally on center stage in the gop presidential race. joining me now is carlos lozata, associate editor and book critic for "the washington post." thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> all of trump's books in one week? i mean, should i offer you congratulations or condolences? i mean, what was the experience like? >> you can offer me both. i should note you've given me too much credit. trump has actually written 17 books, if you can believe that. i chose eight to try to get a sense of the guy. what it's like? well, i thought that the discipline, the act of writing a book might render trump a little more tempered, more reflective, but i think if anything it
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doesn't dilute him. it sort of concentrates him. it's trumpier than ever. one thing you see right away is that he seems to hold a lot of grudges. he goes after people in pretty sort of nasty terms insulting people. it could be famous people that he feels have wronged him some way, journalists. he says, hey, the rolling stone, they're a bunch of jerks. >> so that's not just something new in this political season. that's him. he's basically pretty thin skinned as one would say? >> he remembers when he feels someone has wronged him. and it could be -- sometimes it's people that are very well known. often it's just sort of random banking executives or lawyers who disappointed him along the way. he'll go after them by name in a pretty aggressive way. >> let me ask you this. this is what donald trump thinks it would take to be a good president. i'm quoting him here. look, i do deals, big deals, all the time. we need a dealmaker in the white house. but he also wrote that, quote,
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the same assets that excite me in the chase often, once they are acquired, leave me bored. for me, you see, the important thing is the getting, not the having. from your readings, is trump more interested in the thrill of the hunt rather than capturing it, is he more into running for president and really doesn't want to be president? >> you know, that's the question i raise at the end of this piece that i wrote for the "post." he seems most energized, as he puts it, by the chase, whether it's the next property, the next battle. i'm sure he would love to campaign and to win in part so he can sort of rub it in everyone's noses. and frankly, i would love to read his campaign memoir. but he seems to get bored once he gets what he wants. he's always moving on to the next thing. so i think that's an open
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question. i think if he down the road ends up withdrawing from the race, we may hear something like that. >> so we don't know much more about him in terms of what is behind the bombast and what is behind the flamboyance. we don't know much more reading his books than we know watching him every day. >> you know, one thing that i thought was interesting, that i sort of picked up on when i was reading is that he gets mocked for naming everything about himself. trump tower, trump plaza, he says it's about branding. but one thing i thought was interesting in these books, he really has almost a personal intimate relationship with these properties, the way he talks about them. you know, he says, oh, first time i saw 40 wall street i was mesmerized by its beauty. or he says trump tower was like an old friend, always there for me. these are very personal feelings
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he has often, you know, closer i think than to some of the people in his life. and i think that's part of why they all carry his name. >> all right. carlos lozada, what a feat, eight books on donald trump in a week. now i guess you can start on the rest of the 17. >> i'm going after the other candidates. >> all right. that's a deal. >> thank you. >> let me know. thank you for your time tonight. have a good weekend. coming up, some big news about the confederate flag. still a big conthrow versy today. anne. i'm one of the real live attorneys you can talk to through legalzoom. today. rthrow versy today. othrow versy today. hrow versy today. row versy today. ow versy today. w versy today. versy toda. . legalzoom. legal help is here.
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as a result, roof entered a not guilty plea. he's accused of killing nine parishioners at a historically black church in charleston. now we're seeing the legal process unfold, and we're also seeing something larger. a country confronting its past. in virginia today, a judge ruled the state can remove the confederate flag from license plates. it's a positive step forward. but elsewhere we continue to deal with these issues. in atlanta this week, four confederate flags were found on the grounds of dr. martin luther king's former church, ebenezer baptist. police are now calling the act a hate crime and investigating their surveillance footage showing two men they believe placed the flags thursday morning. but as we move forward, step by step, even incremental steps, we
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should not be surprised when there will be those that try to cling to the past. sometimes things that we change die hard but let us cling to the new birth of a new day and not be distracted by old ideas that are dying out. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. the circus is coming. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. headed next week to cleveland. that's right, after beweeks of preview, the candidates on the republican side jammed together next thursday. the prize, a big headstart on the road to iowa with all the tv cameras following t

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